Re: black walnut/white oak tooth stuff

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I know my dentist says that the white oak bark is excellent for the gums!

Keeps them strong and healthy!! Well thanks for the victory story!! I want

to start using this also. Is the taste really bad? And how often do they

recommend it?

Kim

>From: cpeter8743@...

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>Subject: Re: black walnut/white oak tooth stuff

>Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:55:14 EDT

>

>Just had to let everyone know. After struggling for 2 years now with my

>son's tooth decay which began mysteriously at 1-1/2 and spiraled downward

>quickly, I think I got it. We tried everything. I went to 6 or 7 dentists

>in the first months (was kicked out by 2, and left the others on my own).

>The insults to my intelligence have been horrific. The emotional drain has

>been unbelievable. Finally, in January, I gave up and found an experienced

>pediatric dentist, who seemingly was going to ignore my wishes (no fluoride

>no mercury) in order to get his teeth crowned. The surgery went very well,

>and they actually did much less work than they expected. Meanwhile, our 2

>naturopathic doctors have been doing everything to try and help us (diet,

>supplements, etc.). Well, moving towards his 6 mo after the surgery, I

>began

>to get agitated again. I just knew something was wrong and that we hadn't

>licked the problem. Sure enough, two weeks ago, 2 massive areas of decay.

>On his front incisors. He bit the dentist and they shuffled us out. I

>rescheduled the appointment and added a pre-doctor visit to get him sedated

>before-hand. Since none of our previous attempts had apparently worked, I

>was just going to give up altogether and let them do the fluoride, knowing

>that for our family there was a very high risk of reaction. Then, on this

>list, someone put out the " recipe " for black walnut toothpaste. So, I

>searched, found it and made it up. I told him it was chocolate (hence the

>dark color) and he let me brush his teeth and tongue 3x a day for at least

>4

>days. I read up on the stuff, and it promotes oral floura. Well, I

>thought, we went that route before (building up the bacteria), but it can't

>hurt. And I hunkered down for the big day, the huge lecture, and the

>emotional outrage I would inevitably be feeling afterward (not to mention

>dealing with Wyatt). Well, the doctor's nurse screwed up an forgot to tell

>him why we were coming (a 5 minute thing, she said) and we waited, and

>waited. He of course apologized, then they didn't have the drug there

>(Versed), so he ordered it to be ready for us at the pharmacy (same

>building

>as the dentist). 30 minute trip to the dentist and we were 20 minutes late

>for the appointment (thank god for cell phones). I ran into the pharmacy

>and

>they helped me get him to drink it down. We went upstairs. The dentist

>put

>his arms out to Wyatt (I cringe when people do this, it usually results in

>a

>fit because they don't quit when he first refuses - part of his apraxia).

>Anyway, he went right to the dentist who proceeded into the room, and they

>kicked me out. I thought, oh lord, here we go. I'm not there to hold his

>hand or help him. He knows no one here and the day wasn't going good to

>begin with. Literally 10 minutes later he came out, happy and smiles. I

>thought, geesh, he bit him again. Nope, all done. Now for the point of

>the

>story: The dentist wanted to know what I possibly could have done to

>REMOVE

>the huge amount of plaque on his teeth from 2 weeks ago... another

>dentist?

>No. Herbs. Uh, you must've brushed better (uh, yeah, that's right. After

>all this time I finally figured it out -- duh). Nope. Just the walnut and

>oak. That's the only change we made. And he has actually drank more

>sugar-type of drinks the last couple weeks as well (his birthday was the

>1st). So, I'm here to tell you -- I'll use that stuff 6x times a week for

>results like I got today. I have tried every toothpaste you can think of,

>and every rinse. Brushing, flossing, and gauze for road trips (even short

>trips to the bank, you never know). He has taken colostrum, acidopholus,

>calcium, calc flour, calc phos, and a host of other supplements until he

>(and

>I) were blue in the face -- and the problem? He probably just needed more

>bacteria. Or whatever. I don't care. It works. Use it. There's nothing

>worse than $10,000 worth of dental work on a 2 year old. And this could've

>prevented all that. All I did was break the capsule into a cup, add 2

>droppers of the tincture and mix with the toothbrush. I brushed for the

>recommended 3 minutes. No supplements. No major sugar outlaws (pop is

>okay

>for special out-to-dinner dates, candy bar 1x week with brushing after, and

>juice whenever he wanted (100% only, no fakes). Anyway, THANKS WHOEVER YOU

>ARE. You've added a touch of balance to my life.

>Carol

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Can someone direct me on how to purchase this stuff?

Cyndy

N.C.

Re: black walnut/white oak tooth stuff

>

>

> > Just had to let everyone know. After struggling for 2 years now with my

> > son's tooth decay which began mysteriously at 1-1/2 and spiraled

downward

> > quickly, I think I got it. We tried everything. I went to 6 or 7

> dentists

> > in the first months (was kicked out by 2, and left the others on my

own).

> > The insults to my intelligence have been horrific. The emotional drain

> has

> > been unbelievable. Finally, in January, I gave up and found an

> experienced

> > pediatric dentist, who seemingly was going to ignore my wishes (no

> fluoride

> > no mercury) in order to get his teeth crowned. The surgery went very

> well,

> > and they actually did much less work than they expected. Meanwhile, our

2

> > naturopathic doctors have been doing everything to try and help us

(diet,

> > supplements, etc.). Well, moving towards his 6 mo after the surgery, I

> began

> > to get agitated again. I just knew something was wrong and that we

hadn't

> > licked the problem. Sure enough, two weeks ago, 2 massive areas of

decay.

> > On his front incisors. He bit the dentist and they shuffled us out. I

> > rescheduled the appointment and added a pre-doctor visit to get him

> sedated

> > before-hand. Since none of our previous attempts had apparently worked,

I

> > was just going to give up altogether and let them do the fluoride,

knowing

> > that for our family there was a very high risk of reaction. Then, on

> this

> > list, someone put out the " recipe " for black walnut toothpaste. So, I

> > searched, found it and made it up. I told him it was chocolate (hence

the

> > dark color) and he let me brush his teeth and tongue 3x a day for at

least

> 4

> > days. I read up on the stuff, and it promotes oral floura. Well, I

> > thought, we went that route before (building up the bacteria), but it

> can't

> > hurt. And I hunkered down for the big day, the huge lecture, and the

> > emotional outrage I would inevitably be feeling afterward (not to

mention

> > dealing with Wyatt). Well, the doctor's nurse screwed up an forgot to

> tell

> > him why we were coming (a 5 minute thing, she said) and we waited, and

> > waited. He of course apologized, then they didn't have the drug there

> > (Versed), so he ordered it to be ready for us at the pharmacy (same

> building

> > as the dentist). 30 minute trip to the dentist and we were 20 minutes

> late

> > for the appointment (thank god for cell phones). I ran into the

pharmacy

> and

> > they helped me get him to drink it down. We went upstairs. The dentist

> put

> > his arms out to Wyatt (I cringe when people do this, it usually results

in

> a

> > fit because they don't quit when he first refuses - part of his

apraxia).

> > Anyway, he went right to the dentist who proceeded into the room, and

they

> > kicked me out. I thought, oh lord, here we go. I'm not there to hold

his

> > hand or help him. He knows no one here and the day wasn't going good to

> > begin with. Literally 10 minutes later he came out, happy and smiles.

I

> > thought, geesh, he bit him again. Nope, all done. Now for the point of

> the

> > story: The dentist wanted to know what I possibly could have done to

> REMOVE

> > the huge amount of plaque on his teeth from 2 weeks ago... another

> dentist?

> > No. Herbs. Uh, you must've brushed better (uh, yeah, that's right.

> After

> > all this time I finally figured it out -- duh). Nope. Just the walnut

> and

> > oak. That's the only change we made. And he has actually drank more

> > sugar-type of drinks the last couple weeks as well (his birthday was the

> > 1st). So, I'm here to tell you -- I'll use that stuff 6x times a week

for

> > results like I got today. I have tried every toothpaste you can think

of,

> > and every rinse. Brushing, flossing, and gauze for road trips (even

short

> > trips to the bank, you never know). He has taken colostrum,

acidopholus,

> > calcium, calc flour, calc phos, and a host of other supplements until he

> (and

> > I) were blue in the face -- and the problem? He probably just needed

more

> > bacteria. Or whatever. I don't care. It works. Use it. There's

> nothing

> > worse than $10,000 worth of dental work on a 2 year old. And this

> could've

> > prevented all that. All I did was break the capsule into a cup, add 2

> > droppers of the tincture and mix with the toothbrush. I brushed for the

> > recommended 3 minutes. No supplements. No major sugar outlaws (pop is

> okay

> > for special out-to-dinner dates, candy bar 1x week with brushing after,

> and

> > juice whenever he wanted (100% only, no fakes). Anyway, THANKS WHOEVER

> YOU

> > ARE. You've added a touch of balance to my life.

> > Carol

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow that is sooo cool, I ordered it yesterday, I have two boy 4 and 7

and one has had at least 8 cavities and the 4 yr old has one and I am NOT

going to have dental insurance any more so this is WONDERFUL to hear.

Thanks for your story..and thanks for whomever put it here..I have it

copied off, but not here next to me.

I LOVE this list, full of good things to do for us.

Petric

Re: black walnut/white oak tooth stuff

> Just had to let everyone know. After struggling for 2 years now with my

> son's tooth decay which began mysteriously at 1-1/2 and spiraled downward

> quickly, I think I got it. We tried everything. I went to 6 or 7

dentists

> in the first months (was kicked out by 2, and left the others on my own).

> The insults to my intelligence have been horrific. The emotional drain

has

> been unbelievable. Finally, in January, I gave up and found an

experienced

> pediatric dentist, who seemingly was going to ignore my wishes (no

fluoride

> no mercury) in order to get his teeth crowned. The surgery went very

well,

> and they actually did much less work than they expected. Meanwhile, our 2

> naturopathic doctors have been doing everything to try and help us (diet,

> supplements, etc.). Well, moving towards his 6 mo after the surgery, I

began

> to get agitated again. I just knew something was wrong and that we hadn't

> licked the problem. Sure enough, two weeks ago, 2 massive areas of decay.

> On his front incisors. He bit the dentist and they shuffled us out. I

> rescheduled the appointment and added a pre-doctor visit to get him

sedated

> before-hand. Since none of our previous attempts had apparently worked, I

> was just going to give up altogether and let them do the fluoride, knowing

> that for our family there was a very high risk of reaction. Then, on

this

> list, someone put out the " recipe " for black walnut toothpaste. So, I

> searched, found it and made it up. I told him it was chocolate (hence the

> dark color) and he let me brush his teeth and tongue 3x a day for at least

4

> days. I read up on the stuff, and it promotes oral floura. Well, I

> thought, we went that route before (building up the bacteria), but it

can't

> hurt. And I hunkered down for the big day, the huge lecture, and the

> emotional outrage I would inevitably be feeling afterward (not to mention

> dealing with Wyatt). Well, the doctor's nurse screwed up an forgot to

tell

> him why we were coming (a 5 minute thing, she said) and we waited, and

> waited. He of course apologized, then they didn't have the drug there

> (Versed), so he ordered it to be ready for us at the pharmacy (same

building

> as the dentist). 30 minute trip to the dentist and we were 20 minutes

late

> for the appointment (thank god for cell phones). I ran into the pharmacy

and

> they helped me get him to drink it down. We went upstairs. The dentist

put

> his arms out to Wyatt (I cringe when people do this, it usually results in

a

> fit because they don't quit when he first refuses - part of his apraxia).

> Anyway, he went right to the dentist who proceeded into the room, and they

> kicked me out. I thought, oh lord, here we go. I'm not there to hold his

> hand or help him. He knows no one here and the day wasn't going good to

> begin with. Literally 10 minutes later he came out, happy and smiles. I

> thought, geesh, he bit him again. Nope, all done. Now for the point of

the

> story: The dentist wanted to know what I possibly could have done to

REMOVE

> the huge amount of plaque on his teeth from 2 weeks ago... another

dentist?

> No. Herbs. Uh, you must've brushed better (uh, yeah, that's right.

After

> all this time I finally figured it out -- duh). Nope. Just the walnut

and

> oak. That's the only change we made. And he has actually drank more

> sugar-type of drinks the last couple weeks as well (his birthday was the

> 1st). So, I'm here to tell you -- I'll use that stuff 6x times a week for

> results like I got today. I have tried every toothpaste you can think of,

> and every rinse. Brushing, flossing, and gauze for road trips (even short

> trips to the bank, you never know). He has taken colostrum, acidopholus,

> calcium, calc flour, calc phos, and a host of other supplements until he

(and

> I) were blue in the face -- and the problem? He probably just needed more

> bacteria. Or whatever. I don't care. It works. Use it. There's

nothing

> worse than $10,000 worth of dental work on a 2 year old. And this

could've

> prevented all that. All I did was break the capsule into a cup, add 2

> droppers of the tincture and mix with the toothbrush. I brushed for the

> recommended 3 minutes. No supplements. No major sugar outlaws (pop is

okay

> for special out-to-dinner dates, candy bar 1x week with brushing after,

and

> juice whenever he wanted (100% only, no fakes). Anyway, THANKS WHOEVER

YOU

> ARE. You've added a touch of balance to my life.

> Carol

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Re: black walnut/white oak tooth stuff

> Can someone direct me on how to purchase this stuff?

>

I'd only use his stuff, he also has a dental formula now I think of it.

Dr Shulze, N.D., M.H.

http://www.healthfree.com/

http://home.online.no/~dusan/schulze/index.html

[Guest guest]

I sell Nature's Sunshine brand--liquid or capsules. Contact me for

information. naturesnutrition@...

Dawn--Wyoming

On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:31:24 -0400 " Eddie Bunn " <bunnfam@...>

writes:

> Can someone direct me on how to purchase this stuff?

>

> Cyndy

> N.C.

> Re: black walnut/white oak tooth stuff

> >

> >

> > > Just had to let everyone know. After struggling for 2 years now

> with my

> > > son's tooth decay which began mysteriously at 1-1/2 and spiraled

> downward

> > > quickly, I think I got it. We tried everything. I went to 6 or

> 7

> > dentists

> > > in the first months (was kicked out by 2, and left the others on

> my

> own).

> > > The insults to my intelligence have been horrific. The

> emotional drain

> > has

> > > been unbelievable. Finally, in January, I gave up and found an

> > experienced

> > > pediatric dentist, who seemingly was going to ignore my wishes

> (no

> > fluoride

> > > no mercury) in order to get his teeth crowned. The surgery went

> very

> > well,

> > > and they actually did much less work than they expected.

> Meanwhile, our

> 2

> > > naturopathic doctors have been doing everything to try and help

> us

> (diet,

> > > supplements, etc.). Well, moving towards his 6 mo after the

> surgery, I

> > began

> > > to get agitated again. I just knew something was wrong and that

> we

> hadn't

> > > licked the problem. Sure enough, two weeks ago, 2 massive areas

> of

> decay.

> > > On his front incisors. He bit the dentist and they shuffled us

> out. I

> > > rescheduled the appointment and added a pre-doctor visit to get

> him

> > sedated

> > > before-hand. Since none of our previous attempts had apparently

> worked,

> I

> > > was just going to give up altogether and let them do the

> fluoride,

> knowing

> > > that for our family there was a very high risk of reaction.

> Then, on

> > this

> > > list, someone put out the " recipe " for black walnut toothpaste.

> So, I

> > > searched, found it and made it up. I told him it was chocolate

> (hence

> the

> > > dark color) and he let me brush his teeth and tongue 3x a day

> for at

> least

> > 4

> > > days. I read up on the stuff, and it promotes oral floura.

> Well, I

> > > thought, we went that route before (building up the bacteria),

> but it

> > can't

> > > hurt. And I hunkered down for the big day, the huge lecture,

> and the

> > > emotional outrage I would inevitably be feeling afterward (not

> to

> mention

> > > dealing with Wyatt). Well, the doctor's nurse screwed up an

> forgot to

> > tell

> > > him why we were coming (a 5 minute thing, she said) and we

> waited, and

> > > waited. He of course apologized, then they didn't have the drug

> there

> > > (Versed), so he ordered it to be ready for us at the pharmacy

> (same

> > building

> > > as the dentist). 30 minute trip to the dentist and we were 20

> minutes

> > late

> > > for the appointment (thank god for cell phones). I ran into the

> pharmacy

> > and

> > > they helped me get him to drink it down. We went upstairs. The

> dentist

> > put

> > > his arms out to Wyatt (I cringe when people do this, it usually

> results

> in

> > a

> > > fit because they don't quit when he first refuses - part of his

> apraxia).

> > > Anyway, he went right to the dentist who proceeded into the

> room, and

> they

> > > kicked me out. I thought, oh lord, here we go. I'm not there

> to hold

> his

> > > hand or help him. He knows no one here and the day wasn't going

> good to

> > > begin with. Literally 10 minutes later he came out, happy and

> smiles.

> I

> > > thought, geesh, he bit him again. Nope, all done. Now for the

> point of

> > the

> > > story: The dentist wanted to know what I possibly could have

> done to

> > REMOVE

> > > the huge amount of plaque on his teeth from 2 weeks ago...

> another

> > dentist?

> > > No. Herbs. Uh, you must've brushed better (uh, yeah, that's

> right.

> > After

> > > all this time I finally figured it out -- duh). Nope. Just the

> walnut

> > and

> > > oak. That's the only change we made. And he has actually drank

> more

> > > sugar-type of drinks the last couple weeks as well (his birthday

> was the

> > > 1st). So, I'm here to tell you -- I'll use that stuff 6x times

> a week

> for

> > > results like I got today. I have tried every toothpaste you can

> think

> of,

> > > and every rinse. Brushing, flossing, and gauze for road trips

> (even

> short

> > > trips to the bank, you never know). He has taken colostrum,

> acidopholus,

> > > calcium, calc flour, calc phos, and a host of other supplements

> until he

> > (and

> > > I) were blue in the face -- and the problem? He probably just

> needed

> more

> > > bacteria. Or whatever. I don't care. It works. Use it.

> There's

> > nothing

> > > worse than $10,000 worth of dental work on a 2 year old. And

> this

> > could've

> > > prevented all that. All I did was break the capsule into a cup,

> add 2

> > > droppers of the tincture and mix with the toothbrush. I brushed

> for the

> > > recommended 3 minutes. No supplements. No major sugar outlaws

> (pop is

> > okay

> > > for special out-to-dinner dates, candy bar 1x week with brushing

> after,

> > and

> > > juice whenever he wanted (100% only, no fakes). Anyway, THANKS

> WHOEVER

> > YOU

> > > ARE. You've added a touch of balance to my life.

> > > Carol

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 8/10/00 10:40:39 AM Central Daylight Time,

jazzymom1999@... writes:

<< Is the taste really bad? And how often do they

recommend it? >>

The original poster said 4x weekly. Actually, it tastes pretty good. I got

the non-alcohol tincture black walnut, and the white oak comes in capsules.

[Guest guest]

I have a small natural food/vitiman store here in town

and asked them how to get it...I was surprised they

had it in stock..well she thought she did..she had

to order the white oak bark capsules ..

Just ask your natural food store...they may be able

to order it.

Re: black walnut/white oak tooth stuff

> >

> >

> > > Just had to let everyone know. After struggling for 2 years now with

my

> > > son's tooth decay which began mysteriously at 1-1/2 and spiraled

> downward

> > > quickly, I think I got it. We tried everything. I went to 6 or 7

> > dentists

> > > in the first months (was kicked out by 2, and left the others on my

> own).

> > > The insults to my intelligence have been horrific. The emotional

drain

> > has

> > > been unbelievable. Finally, in January, I gave up and found an

> > experienced

> > > pediatric dentist, who seemingly was going to ignore my wishes (no

> > fluoride

> > > no mercury) in order to get his teeth crowned. The surgery went very

> > well,

> > > and they actually did much less work than they expected. Meanwhile,

our

> 2

> > > naturopathic doctors have been doing everything to try and help us

> (diet,

> > > supplements, etc.). Well, moving towards his 6 mo after the surgery,

I

> > began

> > > to get agitated again. I just knew something was wrong and that we

> hadn't

> > > licked the problem. Sure enough, two weeks ago, 2 massive areas of

> decay.

> > > On his front incisors. He bit the dentist and they shuffled us out.

I

> > > rescheduled the appointment and added a pre-doctor visit to get him

> > sedated

> > > before-hand. Since none of our previous attempts had apparently

worked,

> I

> > > was just going to give up altogether and let them do the fluoride,

> knowing

> > > that for our family there was a very high risk of reaction. Then, on

> > this

> > > list, someone put out the " recipe " for black walnut toothpaste. So, I

> > > searched, found it and made it up. I told him it was chocolate (hence

> the

> > > dark color) and he let me brush his teeth and tongue 3x a day for at

> least

> > 4

> > > days. I read up on the stuff, and it promotes oral floura. Well, I

> > > thought, we went that route before (building up the bacteria), but it

> > can't

> > > hurt. And I hunkered down for the big day, the huge lecture, and the

> > > emotional outrage I would inevitably be feeling afterward (not to

> mention

> > > dealing with Wyatt). Well, the doctor's nurse screwed up an forgot to

> > tell

> > > him why we were coming (a 5 minute thing, she said) and we waited, and

> > > waited. He of course apologized, then they didn't have the drug there

> > > (Versed), so he ordered it to be ready for us at the pharmacy (same

> > building

> > > as the dentist). 30 minute trip to the dentist and we were 20 minutes

> > late

> > > for the appointment (thank god for cell phones). I ran into the

> pharmacy

> > and

> > > they helped me get him to drink it down. We went upstairs. The

dentist

> > put

> > > his arms out to Wyatt (I cringe when people do this, it usually

results

> in

> > a

> > > fit because they don't quit when he first refuses - part of his

> apraxia).

> > > Anyway, he went right to the dentist who proceeded into the room, and

> they

> > > kicked me out. I thought, oh lord, here we go. I'm not there to hold

> his

> > > hand or help him. He knows no one here and the day wasn't going good

to

> > > begin with. Literally 10 minutes later he came out, happy and

smiles.

> I

> > > thought, geesh, he bit him again. Nope, all done. Now for the point

of

> > the

> > > story: The dentist wanted to know what I possibly could have done to

> > REMOVE

> > > the huge amount of plaque on his teeth from 2 weeks ago... another

> > dentist?

> > > No. Herbs. Uh, you must've brushed better (uh, yeah, that's right.

> > After

> > > all this time I finally figured it out -- duh). Nope. Just the

walnut

> > and

> > > oak. That's the only change we made. And he has actually drank more

> > > sugar-type of drinks the last couple weeks as well (his birthday was

the

> > > 1st). So, I'm here to tell you -- I'll use that stuff 6x times a week

> for

> > > results like I got today. I have tried every toothpaste you can think

> of,

> > > and every rinse. Brushing, flossing, and gauze for road trips (even

> short

> > > trips to the bank, you never know). He has taken colostrum,

> acidopholus,

> > > calcium, calc flour, calc phos, and a host of other supplements until

he

> > (and

> > > I) were blue in the face -- and the problem? He probably just needed

> more

> > > bacteria. Or whatever. I don't care. It works. Use it. There's

> > nothing

> > > worse than $10,000 worth of dental work on a 2 year old. And this

> > could've

> > > prevented all that. All I did was break the capsule into a cup, add 2

> > > droppers of the tincture and mix with the toothbrush. I brushed for

the

> > > recommended 3 minutes. No supplements. No major sugar outlaws (pop

is

> > okay

> > > for special out-to-dinner dates, candy bar 1x week with brushing

after,

> > and

> > > juice whenever he wanted (100% only, no fakes). Anyway, THANKS

WHOEVER

> > YOU

> > > ARE. You've added a touch of balance to my life.

> > > Carol

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