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Guest guest Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 Have a good Christmas and enjoy the book. Happy Christmas to all on senate pat Pat Loizou Service Manager Early Years & Community 45 Middle Lane N88PH Tel 8341 2045 Fax 8341 5006 Re: Curriculum development; SCPHN and Dis trict Nurs ing] Hello Charlene and thank you for this. Yes, that is my understanding, too. Certainly, just before she left the NMC, Maureen came to the UK Standing Conference on Health Visitor Education and very clearly stated just the arrangements you describe, and it was being discussed in the conference session about NMC3 standards, as you say. I did check my understanding of what she had said with Maureen before taking part in that session, because of the the very confused messages being given out by NMC (as in Ann's email correspondence) in relation to the annotation. I attended the NMC annual meeting about three weeks ago and asked when we will know what is happening about this. I said there are two highly conflicting messages around at present: Message 1: that annotation is only intended to recognise 'past qualifications,' because those of us who have qualifications already cannot have them taken away from us. There will be some tidying up to do, in that currently running programmes still provide those same qualifications so new annotations will continue until all currently validated programmes run out (i.e., within 5 years; as you say by 2009), but in future there will be no such qualifications as health visiting, school nursing, occupational health nursing, health protection/public health nursing, so there will be no annotations in future. In this scenario, it will not be possible to distinguish between or revalidate programmes for those qualifications as all registrants gaining the new NMC3 qualifications will be specialist community public health nurses, which is the only qualification possible in future. The other qualifications will be left to 'wither on the vine,' along with fever nursing, enrolled nursing and other now-defunct qualifications. I believe this to be the DH/RCN/NMC official message and preferred scenario, but I may be wrong in this and I do not know what the CPHVA think about it. Message 2: is that the health visiting annotation is now in statute and cannot, therefore, be left to wither on the vine. It is also essential for employers, the public and team members to know whether the person they are encountering is fit to practice as a health visitor, or only in a generic nursing/public health role. As things now stand, annotation is linked to the 'requirements for health visitor programmes (NMC 2002)' standards as well as the older health visitor qualifications, so future students qualifying through any programmes that are revalidated to meet these standards will also be eligible to have their qualifications annotated. Therefore, when programmes are re-validated over the next 5 years, they must make arrangements to carry forward the NMC 2002 health visitor standards as well as the NMC3 (2004) standards, if their students are to be eligible for annotation as a health visitor. This would both safeguard health visiting for a few more years, and give us an opportunity to use the toe-hold of the annotation from which to redevelop, but no nursing body is going to encourage this (they may not even allow it). If some programmes are revalidated without annotation and some with, that will be used as an excuse to remove the annotation from statute at the first opportunity, which will be when the nurse prescribing legislation is next updated. In reply to my question, Asbridge (NMC president) said, very firmly, that he could not comment as it was up to the chair of the group considering it (he gave them a name, but I cannot remember what it was) to explain what would happen when they were ready, which he hoped would be soon. I think he did take the point about the very conflicting messages; but of course the response may be to remove 'message 2' which would not be good news for health visiting! It would provide a specialist register which, conveniently, could be expanded to encompass all nurses with a qualification 'beyond registration' or at that advanced level that is under discussion, instead of being for public health only. That is my conspiracy theory; it would explain why they were all so insistent that the register must be labelled as being about 'specialist nursing' even though this meant breaking ministerial promises, recorded in Hansard/House of Lords that the health visiting members could choose the title of the NMC register, which was not allowed in the end. Enough! We have lost that war, but there may be a future yet. best wishes Lobo Charlene Mrs (NAM) x652 wrote: At one of the sessions I attended at conference, I think it was one you were at , there was discussion by NMC representatives on the HV annotation in relation to the standards. I wonder whether my understanding was wrong but I'm sure the discussions went along the lines that if the 2002 standards run out/not in use or whatever, HVs will not be able to use the HV annotation. This thinking seems to be supported by a recent RCN presentation that I saw(along the discussions for Advanced practice)that appears to suggest that the last intake for SCPHN should be 2009. I concede that I may have misunderstood much of the arguments, but there seem to be some very mixed messages about Charlene Lecturer Public Health & Primary Care School of Nursing and Midwifery University of East Anglia Weavers Centre Hellesdon Hospital drayton High Road Norwich NR6 5BE Tel: 01603 421287 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Merry christmas to you all! We's gained some useful advice and made some good friends on here in the last year for which we are truly grateful. May the coming year bring some hope and peace to us all! Kind regards, Angelle > > to everyone - hope there is a modicum of rest and respite in there but if not, have a lovely if full-on day. Thanks to everyone for all their help, advice and empathy all year. We spent this time last year in casualty. So far - still at home so that's a marked improvement! > > Very best to everyone and if junior has so far failed to show any interest - fear not, Tom has looked pleased with his pressies today. That's rare so it's a skill that can return. > > very very best to all > > Steph xx x > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Merry christmas to you all! We's gained some useful advice and made some good friends on here in the last year for which we are truly grateful. May the coming year bring some hope and peace to us all! Kind regards, Angelle > > to everyone - hope there is a modicum of rest and respite in there but if not, have a lovely if full-on day. Thanks to everyone for all their help, advice and empathy all year. We spent this time last year in casualty. So far - still at home so that's a marked improvement! > > Very best to everyone and if junior has so far failed to show any interest - fear not, Tom has looked pleased with his pressies today. That's rare so it's a skill that can return. > > very very best to all > > Steph xx x > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2010 Report Share Posted December 25, 2010 Wishing you all a very Happy Christmas and would like to thank you all for the enormous amount of support, encouragement and advise over the past year, i seriously don't know where i would be without you all. xxxxSame from me as well. Where would i be without mandimart ;-)-- is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2010 Report Share Posted December 25, 2010 Wishing you all a very Happy Christmas and would like to thank you all for the enormous amount of support, encouragement and advise over the past year, i seriously don't know where i would be without you all. xxxxSame from me as well. Where would i be without mandimart ;-)-- is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2010 Report Share Posted December 25, 2010 Wishing you all a very Happy Christmas and would like to thank you all for the enormous amount of support, encouragement and advise over the past year, i seriously don't know where i would be without you all. xxxxSame from me as well. Where would i be without mandimart ;-)-- is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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