Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Go back to the BFL book and re-read " Crossing the Abyss. " This is what has you stuck so to speak. You're standing on the edge but can't seem to get across. Second, this has to be something you want more than anything in the world. People will usually jump tall buildings to get what they want if they want it badly enough. It is a lot easier to do when people have husbands who call them fat or doctors who say lose weight or die. Those in your position have a harder time because there isn't much concrete motivation and you seem relatively comfortable in the skin you're in. Think hard about why you really want to lose weight. Write your goals down(again if you have to). Think of some material thing that you have been saving for or that you have admired but could not purchase for some reason or another. Any goal will do to motivate. Indulge yourself for losing the weight if doing so will motivate you to jump into BFL with excited anticipation. Last, remember that results are not seen immediately, rarely before the 4th or 5th week because of all that is going on on the inside. Force yourself to stick strictly past that period and results should beget more results which will start the ball rolling in your favor. Then you won't be so tempted to give up. I could sit in jail in solitary confinement for five weeks if I had to so BFL isn't that sinister a thing to do. Think about it. You've been around here longer than I have so I know you can do it and I know you know how to do it. I wish you the best. Stasia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 thanks stasia. I will do all that you said. I guess I don't want it bad enough... I feel like I do... I have a vacation coming up in January and I am beginning to panic! > Go back to the BFL book and re-read " Crossing the Abyss. " This is > what has you stuck so to speak. You're standing on the edge but > can't seem to get across. > > Second, this has to be something you want more than anything in the > world. People will usually jump tall buildings to get what they want > if they want it badly enough. It is a lot easier to do when people > have husbands who call them fat or doctors who say lose weight or > die. Those in your position have a harder time because there isn't > much concrete motivation and you seem relatively comfortable in the > skin you're in. > > Think hard about why you really want to lose weight. Write your > goals down(again if you have to). Think of some material thing that > you have been saving for or that you have admired but could not > purchase for some reason or another. Any goal will do to motivate. > Indulge yourself for losing the weight if doing so will motivate you > to jump into BFL with excited anticipation. > > Last, remember that results are not seen immediately, rarely before > the 4th or 5th week because of all that is going on on the inside. > Force yourself to stick strictly past that period and results should > beget more results which will start the ball rolling in your favor. > Then you won't be so tempted to give up. I could sit in jail in > solitary confinement for five weeks if I had to so BFL isn't that > sinister a thing to do. > > Think about it. You've been around here longer than I have so I know > you can do it and I know you know how to do it. I wish you the best. > > Stasia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Stop listening to the voice, you don't have to do what it says. How do I know I hear the same voice. you have to keep focusing on what you want. Then you have to be willing to pay the price. I know its hard, but everything of value is hard to obtain. Have you ever noticed its easier to spend money, than save its easier to fail a test than pass and it is becoming easier and easier to become overweight and obese. In fact obesity will soon seen normal. Look around you soon a person who ways a mere 200 pounds will be considered skinny. Dawn you don't want to be normal you don't want to hang with the majority because you deserve the best. Forget about looking good (although that doesn't hurt) you want to feel good, you want to have energy. You want to win at this. Yes, you have done all the right things except the bratty little kid that lives inside you keeps whining I don't wanna. We you have to be the parent and take control. Drag yourself to the gym if you have to do it kicking and screaming. Don't let anyone, or anything stand in the way of you becoming the Diva you were meant to be. Stop feeling and stop doing. I want you to feel like a Loser. I want you commit to yourself. I am a loser, I will lose this attitude that is holding me back. I will lose those inches and pounds that are weighing me down because in this weight loss and healthy living game. Losers win. okay go out there and make your dreams come true (you are the only one who can do it for you, and you are the only one who can hold you back) Maxx Advice please.... What is this voice I hear every morning that keeps me from eating clean and working out? Why do I go through these awful stages of all or nothing. I plan and plan... buy all the right foods. I have a gym membership. I have everything I need. More time than you can imagine ( no kids) and I literally talk myself out of it over and over again. I use to do this 100% lost 45 pounds! Did great!!! Now I feel like a loser... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Maxx this is great, I don't know what you do for a living, but you are an eloquent writer who has the ability to reach out and touch with words. This is inspirational, and I know Dawn appreciates the uplifting words. Pam --- MaMaxxtatallenlelprrrom> wrote: > Stop listening to the voice, you don't have to do what it says. How do I > know I hear the same voice. you have to keep focusing on what you want. > Then you have to be willing to pay the price. I know its hard, but > everything of value is hard to obtain. Have you ever noticed its easier > to spend money, than save its easier to fail a test than pass and it is > becoming easier and easier to become overweight and obese. In fact > obesity will soon seen normal. Look around you soon a person who ways a > mere 200 > pounds will be considered skinny. Dawn you don't want to be normal you > don't want to hang with the majority because you deserve the best. > Forget about looking good > (although that doesn't hurt) you want to feel good, you want to have > energy. You want to win at this. Yes, you have done all the right > things except the bratty little kid > that lives inside you keeps whining I don't wanna. We you have to be the > parent and take control. Drag yourself to the gym if you have to do it > kicking and screaming. > Don't let anyone, or anything stand in the way of you becoming the Diva > you were meant to be. Stop feeling and stop doing. I want you to feel > like a Loser. I want you commit to yourself. I am a loser, I will lose > this attitude that is holding me back. I will lose those inches and > pounds that are weighing me down because in this weight loss and > healthy living game. Losers win. > > okay go out there and make your dreams come true > (you are the only one who can do it for you, and you are the only one > who can hold you back) > > MaMaxx> Advice please.... > > > What is this voice I hear every morning that keeps me from eating > clean and working out? > Why do I go through these awful stages of all or nothing. I plan and > plan... buy all the > right foods. I have a gym membership. I have everything I need. More > time than you can > imagine ( no kids) and I literally talk myself out of it over and over > again. I use to do this > 100% lost 45 pounds! Did great!!! Now I feel like a loser... > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Thanks after the morning I had.... I still went to the gym see below! This is posted in my blog It's finally happened I believe I have just experienced the worst morning ever.... 6:00 I get up finally on time to go to the gym. My 3 dogs mom dad and pup are ready to go out. Mom and pup (two girls) don't always get along. Mom is a bit dominant to say the least... anyway... I take mom outside to the dog run. go back in the house get pup and dad. I have an " invisible radio fence " so I put the collar on the boy. The collar gives them a gentle shock if they try to leave the boundaries. So I am holding the pup and I put her in the dog run. Mom attacks her. I mean imagine two pit bulls in a ring attack. Since there is no way you can put your hand in there I turned on the hose at full blast on stream. I aim it towards their faces... Nothing still attacking each other... so I go in for the kill I grab mom by her back legs and pick her up in the air. She is still attached to the pup. Her face no less. I had to shake mom for at least 10 seconds to get them unlatched. Since they are Jack s They jump and HIGH. So I have to pick mom up practically over my head so pup can't still bite her.. but she jumps almost 5 feet and kept biting her ass. Until she BIT MY ARM BY MISTAKE. I had to kick her off me! I put the pup in the dog run. Still holding the mom in the air with a bloody arm. Then I hear dad crying! The water I guess activated the collar! so my poor boy is getting shocked. I had to help him, while carrying mom and a very damaged arm. I get mom and dad in the house, mom is full of blood and soaking wet. I take her upstairs and she falls asleep in bed. Dad went back out with the pup. I am not sure what the hell I am going to do! All the dogs are very good on their own. It's mom she is so dominant with other girls... BUT after all this I went to the gym! LOL My arm is green/black, bloody and swollen...--- In , Pamela <angelwolf00@y...> wrote: > Maxx this is great, I don't know what you do for a living, but you are an > eloquent writer who has the ability to reach out and touch with words. > This is inspirational, and I know Dawn appreciates the uplifting words. > > Pam > --- MaMaxxtatallenlelprrrom> wrote: > > > Stop listening to the voice, you don't have to do what it says. How do I > > know I hear the same voice. you have to keep focusing on what you want. > > Then you have to be willing to pay the price. I know its hard, but > > everything of value is hard to obtain. Have you ever noticed its easier > > to spend money, than save its easier to fail a test than pass and it is > > becoming easier and easier to become overweight and obese. In fact > > obesity will soon seen normal. Look around you soon a person who ways a > > mere 200 > > pounds will be considered skinny. Dawn you don't want to be normal you > > don't want to hang with the majority because you deserve the best. > > Forget about looking good > > (although that doesn't hurt) you want to feel good, you want to have > > energy. You want to win at this. Yes, you have done all the right > > things except the bratty little kid > > that lives inside you keeps whining I don't wanna. We you have to be the > > parent and take control. Drag yourself to the gym if you have to do it > > kicking and screaming. > > Don't let anyone, or anything stand in the way of you becoming the Diva > > you were meant to be. Stop feeling and stop doing. I want you to feel > > like a Loser. I want you commit to yourself. I am a loser, I will lose > > this attitude that is holding me back. I will lose those inches and > > pounds that are weighing me down because in this weight loss and > > healthy living game. Losers win. > > > > okay go out there and make your dreams come true > > (you are the only one who can do it for you, and you are the only one > > who can hold you back) > > > > MaMaxx> Advice please.... > > > > > > What is this voice I hear every morning that keeps me from eating > > clean and working out? > > Why do I go through these awful stages of all or nothing. I plan and > > plan... buy all the > > right foods. I have a gym membership. I have everything I need. More > > time than you can > > imagine ( no kids) and I literally talk myself out of it over and over > > again. I use to do this > > 100% lost 45 pounds! Did great!!! Now I feel like a loser... > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Amen and some!! > Stop listening to the voice, you don't have to do what it says. How do I know I hear the same voice. you have to keep focusing on what you want. Then you have to be willing to pay the price. I know its hard, but everything of value is hard to obtain. Have you ever noticed its easier to spend money, than save its easier to fail a test than pass and it is becoming easier and easier to become overweight and obese. In fact obesity will soon seen normal. Look around you soon a person who ways a mere 200 > pounds will be considered skinny. Dawn you don't want to be normal you don't want to hang with the majority because you deserve the best. Forget about looking good > (although that doesn't hurt) you want to feel good, you want to have energy. You want to win at this. Yes, you have done all the right things except the bratty little kid > that lives inside you keeps whining I don't wanna. We you have to be the parent and take control. Drag yourself to the gym if you have to do it kicking and screaming. > Don't let anyone, or anything stand in the way of you becoming the Diva you were meant to be. Stop feeling and stop doing. I want you to feel like a Loser. I want you commit to yourself. I am a loser, I will lose this attitude that is holding me back. I will lose those inches and pounds that are weighing me down because in this weight loss and healthy living game. Losers win. > > okay go out there and make your dreams come true > (you are the only one who can do it for you, and you are the only one who can hold you back) > > Maxx > Advice please.... > > > What is this voice I hear every morning that keeps me from eating clean and working out? > Why do I go through these awful stages of all or nothing. I plan and plan... buy all the > right foods. I have a gym membership. I have everything I need. More time than you can > imagine ( no kids) and I literally talk myself out of it over and over again. I use to do this > 100% lost 45 pounds! Did great!!! Now I feel like a loser... > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 It really did. I love my dogs so I am hoping these correction collars I just ordered will fix it... My arm looks like it was shot. It has a bloody center with purple and green ring around it! > That truly does sound like the worst morning. I thought my kids could > drive me bonkers before 7am but never animals. Good for you for going > to the gym. It probably made you feel better about it all anyway. > > Stasia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Ann that's a good way to look at life. Interesting rather than overwhelming. I used to let so many things throw me into a state of panic and unrest, that following any type of fitness program was out of the question. There is a woman at my gym who is recently divorced. Her husband ditched her with 4 children(2 sets of twins), all under the age of seven, and the twin girls both have ADD and asthma. If that weren't bad enough, she was diagnosed with fibromyaliga and type II Diabetes two years ago, and her mother passed in 2004. Despite all the above, this woman manages to get in the gym for an hour a day, and has lost 50 lbs in less than a year. After talking with her, I had a new outlook on things, and realize that obstacles only become excuses if I allow it. Someone here posted an article on Pam Brown, and how she managed to stay on track despite all the obstacles in her way with an ill husband ect, was even more impressive than her physical results. The human spirit determined to reach a goal is unstoppable. , " Ann Yates " <hooperck@a...> wrote: > Oh gosh.....I have had lost of morning like this.... > I have three kids and three dogs....I'm never sure what is going to happen. > (we actually have 8 dogs on the farm....3 here...3 at my Mom's....2 at our rental cottage) > > Life is ALWAYS interesting. > > Ann Y. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Oh, the horror! Dog aggression can really turn the whole household upside down and make you an emotional wreck. Congratulations on getting to the gym in spite of it! I hope you're able to find a good solution. I eventually got all of my dog chaos straightened out but it was a lot of work. The dog I thought was the problem (Nigel) turned out not to be the instigator. In nearly every case, Sam started it with a look, a snarl, or a low growl, and Nigel would just take it upon himself to finish it and mop the floor with her. My solution was a combination of Sam finally realizing she was too old and rickety to be initiating the smackdowns, and Nigel becoming better trained and more confident and relaxed so that he didn't take the bait every time. They're all coexisting peacefully now. Good luck! I know things are crazy but try not to let it derail you. On 9/20/05, DawnsBody4Life <dawnburfoot@...> wrote: > Thanks after the morning I had.... I still went to the gym see below! This is posted in my > blog > > > It's finally happened I believe I have just experienced the worst morning ever.... 6:00 I get > up finally on time to go to the gym. My 3 dogs mom dad and pup are ready to go out. > Mom and pup (two girls) don't always get along. Mom is a bit dominant to say the least... > anyway... I take mom outside to the dog run. go back in the house get pup and dad. I have > an " invisible radio fence " so I put the collar on the boy. The collar gives them a gentle > shock if they try to leave the boundaries. So I am holding the pup and I put her in the dog > run. Mom attacks her. I mean imagine two pit bulls in a ring attack. Since there is no way > you can put your hand in there I turned on the hose at full blast on stream. I aim it > towards their faces... Nothing still attacking each other... so I go in for the kill I grab mom > by her back legs and pick her up in the air. She is still attached to the pup. Her face no > less. I had to shake mom for at least 10 seconds to get them unlatched. Since they are Jack > s They jump and HIGH. So I have to pick mom up practically over my head so pup > can't still bite her.. but she jumps almost 5 feet and kept biting her ass. Until she BIT MY > ARM BY MISTAKE. I had to kick her off me! I put the pup in the dog run. Still holding the > mom in the air with a bloody arm. Then I hear dad crying! The water I guess activated the > collar! so my poor boy is getting shocked. I had to help him, while carrying mom and a > very damaged arm. I get mom and dad in the house, mom is full of blood and soaking wet. > I take her upstairs and she falls asleep in bed. Dad went back out with the pup. > > I am not sure what the hell I am going to do! All the dogs are very good on their own. It's > mom she is so dominant with other girls... > > BUT after all this I went to the gym! LOL My arm is green/black, bloody and swollen...--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 That is like a nightmare! Wow, I am amazed that you are able to talk about it. If you have any pictures to show... (gee, can you tell I read 's site) Seriously thank goodness you are okay and I wish I could give advice about the dogs, but I know nothing about them. On 9/20/05, DawnsBody4Life <dawnburfoot@...> wrote: > > Thanks after the morning I had.... I still went to the gym see below! This > is posted in my > blog > > > It's finally happened I believe I have just experienced the worst morning > ever.... 6:00 I get > up finally on time to go to the gym. My 3 dogs mom dad and pup are ready > to go out. > Mom and pup (two girls) don't always get along. Mom is a bit dominant to > say the least... > anyway... I take mom outside to the dog run. go back in the house get pup > and dad. I have > an " invisible radio fence " so I put the collar on the boy. The collar > gives them a gentle > shock if they try to leave the boundaries. So I am holding the pup and I > put her in the dog > run. Mom attacks her. I mean imagine two pit bulls in a ring attack. Since > there is no way > you can put your hand in there I turned on the hose at full blast on > stream. I aim it > towards their faces... Nothing still attacking each other... so I go in > for the kill I grab mom > by her back legs and pick her up in the air. She is still attached to the > pup. Her face no > less. I had to shake mom for at least 10 seconds to get them unlatched. > Since they are Jack > s They jump and HIGH. So I have to pick mom up practically over my > head so pup > can't still bite her.. but she jumps almost 5 feet and kept biting her > ass. Until she BIT MY > ARM BY MISTAKE. I had to kick her off me! I put the pup in the dog run. > Still holding the > mom in the air with a bloody arm. Then I hear dad crying! The water I > guess activated the > collar! so my poor boy is getting shocked. I had to help him, while > carrying mom and a > very damaged arm. I get mom and dad in the house, mom is full of blood and > soaking wet. > I take her upstairs and she falls asleep in bed. Dad went back out with > the pup. > > I am not sure what the hell I am going to do! All the dogs are very good > on their own. It's > mom she is so dominant with other girls... > > BUT after all this I went to the gym! LOL My arm is green/black, bloody > and swollen...--- > In , Pamela <angelwolf00@y...> > wrote: > > > > Maxx this is great, I don't know what you do for a living, but you are > an > > eloquent writer who has the ability to reach out and touch with words. > > This is inspirational, and I know Dawn appreciates the uplifting words. > > > > Pam > > --- MaMaxxtatallenlelprrrom> wrote: > > > > > Stop listening to the voice, you don't have to do what it says. How do > I > > > know I hear the same voice. you have to keep focusing on what you > want. > > > Then you have to be willing to pay the price. I know its hard, but > > > everything of value is hard to obtain. Have you ever noticed its > easier > > > to spend money, than save its easier to fail a test than pass and it > is > > > becoming easier and easier to become overweight and obese. In fact > > > obesity will soon seen normal. Look around you soon a person who ways > a > > > mere 200 > > > pounds will be considered skinny. Dawn you don't want to be normal you > > > don't want to hang with the majority because you deserve the best. > > > Forget about looking good > > > (although that doesn't hurt) you want to feel good, you want to have > > > energy. You want to win at this. Yes, you have done all the right > > > things except the bratty little kid > > > that lives inside you keeps whining I don't wanna. We you have to be > the > > > parent and take control. Drag yourself to the gym if you have to do it > > > kicking and screaming. > > > Don't let anyone, or anything stand in the way of you becoming the > Diva > > > you were meant to be. Stop feeling and stop doing. I want you to feel > > > like a Loser. I want you commit to yourself. I am a loser, I will lose > > > this attitude that is holding me back. I will lose those inches and > > > pounds that are weighing me down because in this weight loss and > > > healthy living game. Losers win. > > > > > > okay go out there and make your dreams come true > > > (you are the only one who can do it for you, and you are the only one > > > who can hold you back) > > > > > > MaMaxx> Advice please.... > > > > > > > > > What is this voice I hear every morning that keeps me from eating > > > clean and working out? > > > Why do I go through these awful stages of all or nothing. I plan and > > > plan... buy all the > > > right foods. I have a gym membership. I have everything I need. More > > > time than you can > > > imagine ( no kids) and I literally talk myself out of it over and over > > > again. I use to do this > > > 100% lost 45 pounds! Did great!!! Now I feel like a loser... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 > > > I am not sure what the hell I am going to do! All the dogs are very good on their own. It's > mom she is so dominant with other girls... > > Can you place the pup? It can be very hard with female fights. Most of the time once they start, it is over. You either have to separate and manage, which doesn't always work well or rehome one of them. And there is probably a good chance that the pup may grow up to be dominant and not good with other girls also, since they have the same genes. But good for you for making it to the gym. I had a German Shorthair with Rage Syndrome who attacked my lab one day and I never knew how hard it was to separate dogs until then. Both females and after that they could never be together again. Colleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Hi, Have you considered trying Bach Flower Remedies? They work very well with animals. I would recommend Vine for an aggressive dog, maybe Holly if it's aggression based in jealousy. Really, try them. email me private for more info. colleenp99 <colleen_meacham@...> wrote: > > > I am not sure what the hell I am going to do! All the dogs are very good on their own. It's > mom she is so dominant with other girls... > > Join the Spiritual Cinema Circle and receive monthly international movies with themes for your heart and soul http://www.spiritualcinemacircle.com/?af=37647 HABER ACUPUNCTURE Haber, L.Ac., DNBAO 936 E. Green St., @102 Pasadena, CA 91101 (626) 792-9667 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 , this stuff is great I use it when I have to travel with my pets!! Pam --- Haber <kneadles@...> wrote: > Hi, > Have you considered trying Bach Flower Remedies? They work very well > with animals. I would recommend Vine for an aggressive dog, maybe Holly > if it's aggression based in jealousy. Really, try them. email me > private for more info. > > colleenp99 <colleen_meacham@...> wrote: > > > > > > I am not sure what the hell I am going to do! All the dogs are very > good on their own. It's > > mom she is so dominant with other girls... > > > > > > > Join the Spiritual Cinema Circle and > receive monthly international movies > with themes for your heart and soul > http://www.spiritualcinemacircle.com/?af=37647 > > HABER ACUPUNCTURE > Haber, L.Ac., DNBAO > 936 E. Green St., @102 > Pasadena, CA 91101 > (626) 792-9667 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 I have a quick question: How dominant are you with them? I also have two females, though mine are the XL type (an italian mastiff- 126lbs and a mastiff pit mix at 85lbs) I have had them both for 5 yrs. There has been a couple incidences of fights, but they both stopped when I stepped up and yelled at them. With owning big dogs I have to be the alpha dog, regardless of what they are doing. I even got all three of them (the other is a 50lb male beagle-boxer) to stop attacking a groundhog they had gotten hold of. What surprised me is when i gave them the command " in " they all turned immediately and went into the house. You just have to be more ferocious than they are. I had more trouble separating my last male dog (ital. mastiff 115lbs) from the 85lb female. I threw water on them, my boy stopped but she wouldn't, I had to full on body tackle her. But ever since that day, when I say stop she knows I mean it. My other suggestion is to put the dad and pup in the run with the mom in the yard. I just know that there is no way that I will allow my dogs to even growl at each other. One little half growl and I stand up over them (makes you seem bigger and in control) and yell at them, I tell them it's not acceptable. I used to tell my friends daughter to use a " big voice' and when she was firm, they would listen. My dogs aren't even trained but they do behave and are social and I think it's because I am the big dog and they have no choice but to do what I say. I don't have to have an invisible fence because they know 'in the yard' and if they even step out of it, they get in trouble. I do not hit my dogs or use the choke collar much. Once in a while I will give them a quick snap of the collar, if they decide to not listen. Usually all I have to do is touch the collar without snapping it and they get the guilty look and start listening. Try to be more assertive and dominant. Keep a leash on the mom and when ever she shows aggressive behavior, correct her with a pull and loud forceful commands. I think if you do that for a while she will know that any aggression results in your disapproval.I think all dogs want the attention and approval of their master. When she learns to stop the behavior, even if it's to walk by without growling, she deserves tons of praises in the cookie voice, with hugs. Good luck! Leilani > It really did. I love my dogs so I am hoping these correction collars I just ordered will fix > it... My arm looks like it was shot. It has a bloody center with purple and green ring around > it! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 If she is nursing well and sleeping.. Doing a spinal tap and antibiotics seems ridiculous at this point! Give her body a chance to kill it off. It's only been one day. If her fever goes a little high, give a tepid sponge bath to lower it a little but let it do it's work. Just my opinion... JenOn Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 8:28 PM, nanbryzach <v.nanbry@...> wrote: Â I took my 8 week (unvaccinated) to the pedi today because she had a fever all night that got to 102.9 at one point. He explained that if she is not better by tomorrow that we should take her into the ER for a spinal tap and antibiotics to rule out menigitis. She is nursing well and sleeping a lot in between. She used to smile a lot and I have tried many times today to get her to but to no avail. She does make eye contact though. I don't want to give her antibiotics and certainly I am afraid of the spinal tap for her. Any advice is greatly appreciated. ((hugs)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 At 05:28 PM 7/6/2010, you wrote: I took my 8 week (unvaccinated) to the pedi today because she had a fever all night that got to 102.9 at one point. He explained that if she is not better by tomorrow that we should take her into the ER for a spinal tap and antibiotics to rule out menigitis. She is nursing well and sleeping a lot in between. She used to smile a lot and I have tried many times today to get her to but to no avail. She does make eye contact though. I don't want to give her antibiotics and certainly I am afraid of the spinal tap for her. Any advice is greatly appreciated. ((hugs)) I would do everything I could to avoid taking her in because it will be like a runaway-freight-train - just ask from NJ who is here. If the fever lasts for 3 or 4 days then I would be more concerned. But with a newborn there is concern when no known cause for it. But do NOT give fever reducers. But only you can decide what you are comfortable with and I know its hard This is their standard protocol for unvaccinated and I think totally unnecessary. That is all they know. Any other symptoms at all? Cry when you move her neck? Peeing OK? Any changes that happened in the last few days? Is it really hot there? Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA Vaccines - http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ Homeopathy http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes start September 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 I would try a tepid bath for your baby and see if it reduces the fever. I would be concerned with dehydration so I would also nurse a lot. I wouldn't do antibiotics either. They are so destructive to the immune system. Steph Advice please.... I took my 8 week (unvaccinated) to the pedi today because she had a fever all night that got to 102.9 at one point. He explained that if she is not better by tomorrow that we should take her into the ER for a spinal tap and antibiotics to rule out menigitis. She is nursing well and sleeping a lot in between. She used to smile a lot and I have tried many times today to get her to but to no avail. She does make eye contact though.I don't want to give her antibiotics and certainly I am afraid of the spinal tap for her. Any advice is greatly appreciated. ((hugs)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 don't need to reduce the fever Steph. the body tolerates the fever it produces. just allow the fever good advice about dehydration. Sheri At 07:11 PM 7/6/2010, you wrote: I would try a tepid bath for your baby and see if it reduces the fever. I would be concerned with dehydration so I would also nurse a lot. I wouldn't do antibiotics either. They are so destructive to the immune system. Steph Advice please.... I took my 8 week (unvaccinated) to the pedi today because she had a fever all night that got to 102.9 at one point. He explained that if she is not better by tomorrow that we should take her into the ER for a spinal tap and antibiotics to rule out menigitis. She is nursing well and sleeping a lot in between. She used to smile a lot and I have tried many times today to get her to but to no avail. She does make eye contact though. I don't want to give her antibiotics and certainly I am afraid of the spinal tap for her. Any advice is greatly appreciated. ((hugs)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 I know that fever is good to burn off the "yucky stuff". Because of the hydration issue I wouldn't want it to be too high for too long. I am studying for my ND and the water cures are big for traditional therapies. They would actually wrap the body in wet cloths and then dry on the outside. Probably hard to do with a baby but an interesting concept. Advice please.... I took my 8 week (unvaccinated) to the pedi today because she had a fever all night that got to 102.9 at one point. He explained that if she is not better by tomorrow that we should take her into the ER for a spinal tap and antibiotics to rule out menigitis. She is nursing well and sleeping a lot in between. She used to smile a lot and I have tried many times today to get her to but to no avail. She does make eye contact though. I don't want to give her antibiotics and certainly I am afraid of the spinal tap for her. Any advice is greatly appreciated. ((hugs)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 I certainly remember the panicked feeling when one of mine was that little and got sick, and I have had many trips to the ER. But I do think it is a huge overreaction to do a spinal tap based on two nights of fever and no other symptoms. Babies do burn hotter fevers and fevers do get higher at night (although I don't consider 102.9 to be unusual for a baby). They also recur at night after having gone away for the most part during the day. It's entirely possible they are doing this to put fear into you so you vaccinate for meningitis later and other vaccines as well. If you do go ahead with a spinal tap, ask that the antibiotics be held off until there is confirmation of a bacterial infection. Did they even do any blood work? You are smart to look at her behavior as that is a much better indicator of illness. I would also expect a baby of any age with a fever to be somewhat lethargic. Take Vit. C and watch your diet since that will affect her--no dairy, sugar, etc., just foods you would eat if you were sick. Anyway, go with your instincts. If your antennae go up, then take her in. But make sure they know you are to approve any and all meds, and do not allow fever reducers. That is one of the worst things you can do. And if you're not familiar with homeopathy, this is a good time to learn about it. Good luck. I know it's very scary. Winnie Advice please....Vaccinations > I took my 8 week (unvaccinated) to the pedi today because she > had a fever all night that got to 102.9 at one point. He > explained that if she is not better by tomorrow that we should > take her into the ER for a spinal tap and antibiotics to rule > out menigitis. > > She is nursing well and sleeping a lot in between. She used to > smile a lot and I have tried many times today to get her to but > to no avail. She does make eye contact though.> > I don't want to give her antibiotics and certainly I am afraid > of the spinal tap for her. Any advice is greatly appreciated. > ((hugs)) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 I've been so extremely busy haven't posted for awhile but had to respond to this one. Oh dear my heart goes out to you. It wasn't long ago I went through similiar situation. Here is my story. was only 5 days old and spiked high fever Ped immediately rushed us to ER. They insisted on giving tylenol, then took my precious newborn baby from my arms and catherized him, did bunch of blood work, and then the dreaded spinal tap. It was a mother's worst nightmare to sit back and hear your baby's cries. I felt powerless they made me feel like if I didn't go along with it I could kill my baby, I didn't know what to do everything happened so fast. They started IV and antibiotics immediately wouldn't even allow me to nurse him. He was on the antibiotics for days around the clock while we waited for culutres to come back. I just couldn't allow them to put him in this jail of a crib he was just a newborn baby and needed me so I slept by his side for 8 days on a pull out type couch. I nursed him and refused anymore meds. The antibiotics I couldn't refuse b/c they still thought he had bacterial meningitis. We were so confused b/c he didn't appear to be as sick as they were allowing us to believe. I cried and prayed alot for all this to be over so we can be home with our family. It ended up that nothing came back and he was just fighting some type of viral illness. They called it Viral Meningitis b/c he white count was very elevated from spinal tap. I still do not know what any of that means but basically he would have gotten better all on his own at home as antibiotics don't do anything for viral m. I was so happy when we came home but nervous wreck about all that took place. I questioned everything and prob. still have not fully recovered from that week in the hospital. It didn't end there. Two months after he got sick with Broncholitis which homeopathy helped (thanks Sherri) and then many colds and wierd rash/fever. I truly believe the antiobitics affected his immune system. Next week he is turning 11 months (wow where did the time go) and he is strong, vibrant and healthy gorgeous boy. I am still trying to nurse him and glad that I was able to nurse him during that horrible time. I think it was the comfort of me and breastfeeding that helped him heal from whatever was going on. The Dr.'s always jump to the worst conclusion. I have not been back to that practice and to be honest don't go much to any Dr. anymore. He hasn't had baby well visits b/c I don't want to deal with the whole vax issue. I am grateful is ok and was not harmed more by the medical intervention that was forced on him. I know it's very upsetting to see a little one with fever and you don't know why. I remb. the Dr. telling me if could only be bit older like 8 weeks he would not have done all those tests it's the first month that is crucial so I think the fact that your baby is already at the 2 month mark is great b/c she is building her immune system. I personally would wait little longer and most likely fever will go away if not then I'd start worry. You have to do what feels right for you. Of course is something terrible could be wrong then you'd want to do everything but I'd hate to see you go through what we did over a common typical illness that just needs to run its course. Good luck please let us know how she is. I'll be thinking of you and saying prayer. NJ Re: Advice please.... I certainly remember the panicked feeling when one of mine was that little and got sick, and I have had many trips to the ER. But I do think it is a huge overreaction to do a spinal tap based on two nights of fever and no other symptoms. Babies do burn hotter fevers and fevers do get higher at night (although I don't consider 102.9 to be unusual for a baby). They also recur at night after having gone away for the most part during the day. It's entirely possible they are doing this to put fear into you so you vaccinate for meningitis later and other vaccines as well. If you do go ahead with a spinal tap, ask that the antibiotics be held off until there is confirmation of a bacterial infection. Did they even do any blood work? You are smart to look at her behavior as that is a much better indicator of illness. I would also expect a baby of any age with a fever to be somewhat lethargic. Take Vit. C and watch your diet since that will affect her--no dairy, sugar, etc., just foods you would eat if you were sick. Anyway, go with your instincts. If your antennae go up, then take her in. But make sure they know you are to approve any and all meds, and do not allow fever reducers. That is one of the worst things you can do. And if you're not familiar with homeopathy, this is a good time to learn about it. Good luck. I know it's very scary. Winnie Advice please.... Vaccinations > I took my 8 week (unvaccinated) to the pedi today because she > had a fever all night that got to 102.9 at one point. He > explained that if she is not better by tomorrow that we should > take her into the ER for a spinal tap and antibiotics to rule > out menigitis. > > She is nursing well and sleeping a lot in between. She used to > smile a lot and I have tried many times today to get her to but > to no avail. She does make eye contact though. > > I don't want to give her antibiotics and certainly I am afraid > of the spinal tap for her. Any advice is greatly appreciated. > ((hugs)) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 At 07:58 PM 7/6/2010, you wrote: I know that fever is good to burn off the " yucky stuff " . Because of the hydration issue I wouldn't want it to be too high for too long. I am studying for my ND and the water cures are big for traditional therapies. They would actually wrap the body in wet cloths and then dry on the outside. Probably hard to do with a baby but an interesting concept. don't want to do that with a person with a fever and certainly not a 2 month old baby. see my fever pages for the dangers of lowering a fever http://www.wellwithin1.com/fever.htm lowering a fever is not the answer for hydration - giving fluids is the answer Sheri listowner Advice please.... I took my 8 week (unvaccinated) to the pedi today because she had a fever all night that got to 102.9 at one point. He explained that if she is not better by tomorrow that we should take her into the ER for a spinal tap and antibiotics to rule out menigitis. She is nursing well and sleeping a lot in between. She used to smile a lot and I have tried many times today to get her to but to no avail. She does make eye contact though. I don't want to give her antibiotics and certainly I am afraid of the spinal tap for her. Any advice is greatly appreciated. ((hugs)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 why would you doctor think your baby has menengitis? My 18 month old has had a fever for 3 days ranging from 102.7-103.9 my doctor told me he had an ear infection this is his 4th since birth last night i he woke up in a pool of water im hoping his fevr has broke. From: "ruszala4@..." <ruszala4@...>Vaccinations Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 12:26:36 AMSubject: Re: Advice please.... I've been so extremely busy haven't posted for awhile but had to respond to this one. Oh dear my heart goes out to you. It wasn't long ago I went through similiar situation. Here is my story. was only 5 days old and spiked high fever Ped immediately rushed us to ER. They insisted on giving tylenol, then took my precious newborn baby from my arms and catherized him, did bunch of blood work, and then the dreaded spinal tap. It was a mother's worst nightmare to sit back and hear your baby's cries. I felt powerless they made me feel like if I didn't go along with it I could kill my baby, I didn't know what to do everything happened so fast. They started IV and antibiotics immediately wouldn't even allow me to nurse him. He was on the antibiotics for days around the clock while we waited for culutres to come back. I just couldn't allow them to put him in this jail of a crib he was just a newborn baby and needed me so I slept by his side for 8 days on a pull out type couch. I nursed him and refused anymore meds. The antibiotics I couldn't refuse b/c they still thought he had bacterial meningitis. We were so confused b/c he didn't appear to be as sick as they were allowing us to believe. I cried and prayed alot for all this to be over so we can be home with our family. It ended up that nothing came back and he was just fighting some type of viral illness. They called it Viral Meningitis b/c he white count was very elevated from spinal tap. I still do not know what any of that means but basically he would have gotten better all on his own at home as antibiotics don't do anything for viral m. I was so happy when we came home but nervous wreck about all that took place. I questioned everything and prob. still have not fully recovered from that week in the hospital. It didn't end there. Two months after he got sick with Broncholitis which homeopathy helped (thanks Sherri) and then many colds and wierd rash/fever. I truly believe the antiobitics affected his immune system. Next week he is turning 11 months (wow where did the time go) and he is strong, vibrant and healthy gorgeous boy. I am still trying to nurse him and glad that I was able to nurse him during that horrible time. I think it was the comfort of me and breastfeeding that helped him heal from whatever was going on. The Dr.'s always jump to the worst conclusion. I have not been back to that practice and to be honest don't go much to any Dr. anymore. He hasn't had baby well visits b/c I don't want to deal with the whole vax issue. I am grateful is ok and was not harmed more by the medical intervention that was forced on him. I know it's very upsetting to see a little one with fever and you don't know why. I remb. the Dr. telling me if could only be bit older like 8 weeks he would not have done all those tests it's the first month that is crucial so I think the fact that your baby is already at the 2 month mark is great b/c she is building her immune system. I personally would wait little longer and most likely fever will go away if not then I'd start worry. You have to do what feels right for you. Of course is something terrible could be wrong then you'd want to do everything but I'd hate to see you go through what we did over a common typical illness that just needs to run its course. Good luck please let us know how she is. I'll be thinking of you and saying prayer. NJ Re: Advice please.... I certainly remember the panicked feeling when one of mine was that little and got sick, and I have had many trips to the ER. But I do think it is a huge overreaction to do a spinal tap based on two nights of fever and no other symptoms. Babies do burn hotter fevers and fevers do get higher at night (although I don't consider 102.9 to be unusual for a baby). They also recur at night after having gone away for the most part during the day. It's entirely possible they are doing this to put fear into you so you vaccinate for meningitis later and other vaccines as well. If you do go ahead with a spinal tap, ask that the antibiotics be held off until there is confirmation of a bacterial infection. Did they even do any blood work? You are smart to look at her behavior as that is a much better indicator of illness. I would also expect a baby of any age with a fever to be somewhat lethargic. Take Vit. C and watch your diet since that will affect her--no dairy, sugar, etc., just foods you would eat if you were sick. Anyway, go with your instincts. If your antennae go up, then take her in. But make sure they know you are to approve any and all meds, and do not allow fever reducers. That is one of the worst things you can do. And if you're not familiar with homeopathy, this is a good time to learn about it. Good luck. I know it's very scary. Winnie Advice please....Vaccinations> I took my 8 week (unvaccinated) to the pedi today because she > had a fever all night that got to 102.9 at one point. He > explained that if she is not better by tomorrow that we should > take her into the ER for a spinal tap and antibiotics to rule > out menigitis. > > She is nursing well and sleeping a lot in between. She used to > smile a lot and I have tried many times today to get her to but > to no avail. She does make eye contact though.> > I don't want to give her antibiotics and certainly I am afraid > of the spinal tap for her. Any advice is greatly appreciated. > ((hugs)) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 Thank you all for the advice and support. Whew - this board is such a great help and I thank you all for taking the time to respond to me. Thank you for taking the time to give me your story and I am happy your child is doing better My sweet baby is doing a little better today. As much as I hate Motrin and Tylenol, my husband and I couldn't bear seeing her the way she was last night (really uncomfortable) and went ahead and gave her less than 1/4 tsp of motrin (I was so frazzled with her that I forgot to check out your replies). She finally fell asleep in her car seat which she hates but slept amazingly well for 4 hours straight. She woke up with a fever of 101 and did spit up a large amount of breast milk which I think is from going 4 hours without eating. She is sleeping now and her head feels warm but not hot like yesterday. I'm going to just keep hydrating her and do some major cuddling. I'm trusting in God and know she will fight this even at just 8 weeks old. Thank you again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 Funny thing about fever. If you said the kid was just vaxxed, the doc would have patted your hand, told you it happens all the time and not to worry. Give Tylenol and go to sleep. Fever is a friend and it has a purpose. I’d call a homeopath instead. Little babies are a worry for sure but I would not give abx or a spinal tap on an 8 wk old for one night of 102 She’s sick. Of course she doesn’t want to smile. When I have a fever I don’t feel like smiling either. I’ve read as long as a baby is nursing good, then they’re pretty OK. I’d keep a close eye, call the homeopath and not hit the regular germ filled ER or doc’s office! If you just can’t stand it anymore, I’d not sit in the waiting room that’s for sure. Go right into a room, don’t do the ABX. Check the fluid first for meningitis and just take a RX but don’t feel it until you know more. Nita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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