Guest guest Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Dody-- You need iodine in every cell of your body, not just for your thyroid. -- On 1 Jan 2012 at 21:26, Dorothy VerSluis wrote: > > > > No no! I did very well on natural animal thyroid hormone. It was > the 28 years on Synthroid that gave me the heart issues, blood > pressure issues, etc. No matter how much synthetic med you take, > you are getting no hormone! With no hormone your organs get worse > each day. > > At the end of 28 years on Synthroid I had no muscle control at > all. I could not even yawn! > > I was afraid I was going to go on permanent and total disability > because I was nearly unable to dress myself! > > But when I flatly refused to use Synthroid anymore, and went back > to the natural animal thyroid, then over the next 8 years, (even > with no dieting and no exercise program of any kind), I lost about > 100 pounds! I was finally thinking I was going to recover, and be > able to exercise and get some muscle tone. > > But then they started changing the formula of the Armour thyroid! > I gained the weight back and had to switch around until I found > the ERFA and NaturThroid. > > All over this planet they have eliminated most of the natural > animal thyroid hormone! > > It makes no sense. Because it is a byproduct of pork production, > the natural animal thyroid meds are the cheapest meds in the > world! Why would anyone think it was a good idea to develop a > synthetic to go into competition with it? > > Makes no sense. There is no logic. Even today, a full month´s > supply of 1 grain tablets is costing me $6 and change! > > That is not a co pay. That is the full cost of a month´s > prescription. > > When the big pharmaceuticals came out with Synthroid all the docs > were trained to believe that the natural animal thyroid was > " unstable " , and that Synthroid was better. So that´s what > the doctors told their patients and so people paid 4 times as much > for Synthroid (or even more) than they had paid for the Armour. > > At one point the big Pharma lost a class action suit because they > had been charging so much for a medication while claiming it was > " the same " as natural animal thyroid hormone. Of course it is > nothing like natural animal thyroid hormone! > > So my problems are the result of NO hormone! They are the result > of having 28 years with only synthetic thyroid meds which offered > my body nothing! Even the big Pharma will admit they are treating > " symptoms " or covering or eliminating symptoms. They do NOT > treat thyroid disease! Of course no doc suggested that I take > Iodine! And to tell you the truth, being nuked 3 times and having > thyroid tissue surgically removed twice, I don´t know that I > have anything in there that could benefit from Iodine. Though, > from what I am reading here, I guess I should be trying it. > > The doctors insist they don´t know why I have high blood > pressure or A-fib, but I am convinced it is simply all those years > of lack of treatment with the hormone! > > I am so sorry if I said something that gave you the impression > that taking natural animal thyroid hormone had caused me to have > heart issues or high blood pressure, etc. I was trying to make the > point that I am indeed taking natural animal thyroid hormone and I > have A-fib that is totally out of control, and it is not causing > me any additional problems. I believe that if I can convince my > doc to increase my dosage I will actually see LESS A-fib. > > Dody > Colorado > > From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On > Behalf Of Dr. Diane Schneider Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 6:44 > PM iodine Subject: Re: Re: detox bath > > > > > Dody, thank you for sharing this amazing journey. My family dr. is > now 86 yrs old (Cinti. area) & says he has always preferred to > prescribe natural thyroid; but throughout your yrs with it, I see > it increased your BP, but did it give you a-fib episodes? (I have > very few, just don't want to increase them!) > > > > Have you used iodine throughout any of these years to improve your > hypo? I am also still wondering if Epsom salts baths are > recommended for detoxing whether or NOT using iodine. (A holistic > dentist informed me that I should be taking 4 baths per week with > at least 2-4 cups of epsom each bath... just for general > detoxing.) > > > > I hope your atrial fib has been more stable finally. Thanks again, > > > > Diane > > > > From: Dorothy VerSluis > > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 2:04 PM > > iodine > > Subject: RE: Re: detox bath > > > > > > > Alrighty ... > ABOUT NATURAL ANIMAL THYROID HORMONE WITH A-FIB: > I was born Hyper, but they used radiation on me during the first > weeks of my life, so I then spent the first 21 years constipated > and Hypo! No advice or treatment was given after they did the > nuke! Another nuke & surgical removal of some of thyroid at age > 21. Another nuke and more surgical removal of some of thyroid at > age 38. I began meds at age 21 = 1 grain, then about 3 years later > upped to 2 grains, then about 3 years later upped to 4 grains. At > 4 grains of Synth from about age 30 to age 58. Then 4 grains of > Armour from age 58 to 60 something. Then 1 grain Armour. Then 1 > grain ERFA. Now 1 grain NaturThroid. I had spent 10 years on > natural animal thyroid, then 28 years on Synth, then back on the > natural animal thyroid. I remained at 4 grains. But around age 60 > docs began to tell me that I had high blood pressure, high pulse, > and a-fib! This was a big surprise since I´d been extremely low > blood pressure, slow pulse, etc., most of my life! I am now 71. My > doc did insist that I go from 4 grains back to 1 grain about 3 > years back. So, from about age 60 to 68 I was taking 4 grains a > day with A-fib, and I am still taking 1 grain a day with A-fib, > and ... I am currently begging doc to increase my dosage to 1 and > ½ or 2 grains a day. So ... I guess you can take thyroid when you > have A-fib, since I have been doing it. For the past five years > everyone new who takes my blood pressure wants me to go > immediately to Emergency because they think I am moments away from > a stroke! Obviously I am not. Meanwhile, I have had > " confrontations " that might have killed some people, but I am > half Irish, so apparently there is nothing that is ever going to > stop my heart. The stroke thing I don´t know about, but no one > in my family ever had one! From what I´ve seen, docs will say > ANYTHING to get you away from natural animal thyroid hormone! > Idiots! Dody Colorado From: iodine > [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of texlyme_mom Sent: > Sunday, January 01, 2012 9:22 AM iodine > Subject: Re: detox bath > > > > Diane, > I recall an article written by an MD warning against using thryoid if > a person has atrial fibrillation, so I would start with iodine first > just to be on the safe side, if I were you. I can't find that same > article again easily right now without spending more time looking for > it than I have available to me. However, you might want to do a Google > search using the terms " thyroid + atrial fibrillation " to see what you > learn. > > I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of > hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as a > cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well with > iodine therapy. > > http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/03/01/16324.aspx > > Hey, wait. I just now found the article I was looking for. Here it is, > but you'll have to scroll down pretty far to find the part cautioning > against thyroid meds in a-fib patients. > http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=16214 > > Sorry for the delay in this response, but the holidays have been > pretty hectic at our household. > > > > > > , > > I have not yet started > iodine (I am hypo & about to start on dessicated thyroid) but since > you mention detoxing with Epsom salts, would it be good to be taking > 3-4 baths per week in 3-4 cups of Epsom (ea bath) to start " cleaning > up " my system? then start the iodine & dess. thyroid simultaneously? > As I have very mild atrial fib, I'm wanting to start gently so as not > to kick it up if poss. What would you advise about the order of start > up? ie., should iodine be tried first (w/ supplements of course)? > > > Many thanks for this help. > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012  Hi Rae, actually the fermentation process alters the soy, making it much safer to ingest - and definitely less of an oestrogen antagonist/protagonist. RE: Re: detox bath Rae, I would be encouraged by the possibility of lowering Coumadin levels. My father died because he had a brain aneurysm burst while on Coumadin. Since Coumadin keeps your blood from clotting, you risk death from any injury by bleeding to death. Have you heard of nattokinase? It keeps the blood thin naturally. Donna in IL From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of RaeSent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 2:55 PMiodine Subject: Re: Re: detox bath Thank you so much for clearing that up. Do you think my mom with a fib and hyperthyroid with diabetics could use idodine on a patch test inside her wrist would be ok and not upset the Coumadin . Rae Sent from my iPod On Jan 1, 2012, at 3:18 PM, " Baker" <vbaker@...> ; wrote: > I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of> hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as a> cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well with> iodine therapy.This isn't true. Grave's patients need iodine. Any thyroid illness is the result of iodine deficiency. From the early 1800s through the 1950s, Lugol's was given successfully for both hypo and hyper-thyroid conditions. It's only been since the onset of iodophobia (fear of iodine), based on the medical fraud of the Wolff-Chaikoff Effect, that iodine stopped being given to Grave's patients.We have done a lot of work on this list trying to help people to understand they need iodine. The statement about Graves patients not needing iodine is incorrect. Sure, you'll find sources on the web claiming that to be true, but as we've said many times, the web and medical schools and medical textbooks are full of FALSE information about iodine.In point of fact, a-fib is a bromide detox symptom. And further, my own palpitations have thoroughly been resolved since starting the iodine protocol. --moderatorOn 1 Jan 2012 at 16:22, texlyme_mom wrote:> Diane,> I recall an article written by an MD warning against using thryoid if> a person has atrial fibrillation, so I would start with iodine first> just to be on the safe side, if I were you. I can't find that same> article again easily right now without spending more time looking for> it than I have available to me. However, you might want to do a Google> search using the terms "thyroid + atrial fibrillation" to see what you> learn. > > I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of> hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as a> cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well with> iodine therapy.> > http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/03/01/16324.aspx> > Hey, wait. I just now found the article I was looking for. Here it is,> but you'll have to scroll down pretty far to find the part cautioning> against thyroid meds in a-fib patients.> http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=16214> > Sorry for the delay in this response, but the holidays have been> pretty hectic at our household.> > > > > > > > , > > I have not yet started> iodine (I am hypo & about to start on dessicated thyroid) but since> you mention detoxing with Epsom salts, would it be good to be taking> 3-4 baths per week in 3-4 cups of Epsom (ea bath) to start "cleaning> up" my system? then start the iodine & dess. thyroid simultaneously? > As I have very mild atrial fib, I'm wanting to start gently so as not> to kick it up if poss. What would you advise about the order of> start up? ie., should iodine be tried first (w/ supplements of> course)? > > Many thanks for this help. > > Diane > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012  I have an issues with soy like Rae and cannot ingest any form. My joints hurt so bad I can hardly move. Soy is not healthy. Dr. Brownstein wrote a book on it and you can get it in my store on my website if you are interested. It's called "The Soy Deception". www.steppingstonesliving.com/products/ Codes: NEWYEAR2012 for 12% off purchase of 2 or more books or IODINE for 10% of 1 book. Buist, ND HC RE: Re: detox bath Rae, I would be encouraged by the possibility of lowering Coumadin levels. My father died because he had a brain aneurysm burst while on Coumadin. Since Coumadin keeps your blood from clotting, you risk death from any injury by bleeding to death. Have you heard of nattokinase? It keeps the blood thin naturally. Donna in IL From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of RaeSent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 2:55 PMiodine Subject: Re: Re: detox bath Thank you so much for clearing that up. Do you think my mom with a fib and hyperthyroid with diabetics could use idodine on a patch test inside her wrist would be ok and not upset the Coumadin . Rae Sent from my iPod On Jan 1, 2012, at 3:18 PM, " Baker" <vbaker@...> ; wrote: > I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of> hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as a> cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well with> iodine therapy.This isn't true. Grave's patients need iodine. Any thyroid illness is the result of iodine deficiency. From the early 1800s through the 1950s, Lugol's was given successfully for both hypo and hyper-thyroid conditions. It's only been since the onset of iodophobia (fear of iodine), based on the medical fraud of the Wolff-Chaikoff Effect, that iodine stopped being given to Grave's patients.We have done a lot of work on this list trying to help people to understand they need iodine. The statement about Graves patients not needing iodine is incorrect. Sure, you'll find sources on the web claiming that to be true, but as we've said many times, the web and medical schools and medical textbooks are full of FALSE information about iodine.In point of fact, a-fib is a bromide detox symptom. And further, my own palpitations have thoroughly been resolved since starting the iodine protocol. --moderatorOn 1 Jan 2012 at 16:22, texlyme_mom wrote:> Diane,> I recall an article written by an MD warning against using thryoid if> a person has atrial fibrillation, so I would start with iodine first> just to be on the safe side, if I were you. I can't find that same> article again easily right now without spending more time looking for> it than I have available to me. However, you might want to do a Google> search using the terms "thyroid + atrial fibrillation" to see what you> learn. > > I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of> hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as a> cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well with> iodine therapy.> > http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/03/01/16324.aspx> > Hey, wait. I just now found the article I was looking for. Here it is,> but you'll have to scroll down pretty far to find the part cautioning> against thyroid meds in a-fib patients.> http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=16214> > Sorry for the delay in this response, but the holidays have been> pretty hectic at our household.> > > > > > > > , > > I have not yet started> iodine (I am hypo & about to start on dessicated thyroid) but since> you mention detoxing with Epsom salts, would it be good to be taking> 3-4 baths per week in 3-4 cups of Epsom (ea bath) to start "cleaning> up" my system? then start the iodine & dess. thyroid simultaneously? > As I have very mild atrial fib, I'm wanting to start gently so as not> to kick it up if poss. What would you advise about the order of> start up? ie., should iodine be tried first (w/ supplements of> course)? > > Many thanks for this help. > > Diane > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Garlic helps thin blood, fish oil, vitamin e, a product called gdu sold by Herbal Pharmacy in Orem, Utah. 877 682 2039 From: Rae Dube <tooblessttobstressed@...> "iodine " <iodine > Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 11:55 PM Subject: Re: Re: detox bath Hi I just checked the ingredients of this stuff nattokinase and it has SOY in it. I am very allergic to it in any form. So that is not going to happen. Also I heard SOY eats up the thyroid. No good. Thanks anyways for trying. Rae From: Rae Dube <tooblessttobstressed@...> "iodine " <iodine > Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 10:46 PM Subject: Re: Re: detox bath My mother is very devoted to her doctor and acts like she is God . I find this hard to swallow because her doctor is the very reason my step dad died. But to get my mother to change anything would take a miracle of God. Now if it was me I would try it in a heart beat. Coumadin is rat poison given in therapeutic doses. I will look into it in case I ever need a blood thinner. Thanks have a great year. rae From: Donna Iler <Donna@...> "iodine " <iodine > Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 8:25 PM Subject: RE: Re: detox bath Rae,I would be encouraged by the possibility of lowering Coumadin levels. My father died because he had a brain aneurysm burst while on Coumadin. Since Coumadin keeps your blood from clotting, you risk death from any injury by bleeding to death. Have you heard of nattokinase? It keeps the blood thin naturally. Donna in IL From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of RaeSent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 2:55 PMiodine Subject: Re: Re: detox bath Thank you so much for clearing that up. Do you think my mom with a fib and hyperthyroid with diabetics could use idodine on a patch test inside her wrist would be ok and not upset the Coumadin . RaeSent from my iPodOn Jan 1, 2012, at 3:18 PM, " Baker" <vbaker@...> wrote: > I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of> hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as a> cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well with> iodine therapy.This isn't true. Grave's patients need iodine. Any thyroid illness is the result of iodine deficiency. From the early 1800s through the 1950s, Lugol's was given successfully for both hypo and hyper-thyroid conditions. It's only been since the onset of iodophobia (fear of iodine), based on the medical fraud of the Wolff-Chaikoff Effect, that iodine stopped being given to Grave's patients.We have done a lot of work on this list trying to help people to understand they need iodine. The statement about Graves patients not needing iodine is incorrect. Sure, you'll find sources on the web claiming that to be true, but as we've said many times, the web and medical schools and medical textbooks are full of FALSE information about iodine.In point of fact, a-fib is a bromide detox symptom. And further, my own palpitations have thoroughly been resolved since starting the iodine protocol. --moderatorOn 1 Jan 2012 at 16:22, texlyme_mom wrote:> Diane,> I recall an article written by an MD warning against using thryoid if> a person has atrial fibrillation, so I would start with iodine first> just to be on the safe side, if I were you. I can't find that same> article again easily right now without spending more time looking for> it than I have available to me. However, you might want to do a Google> search using the terms "thyroid + atrial fibrillation" to see what you> learn. > > I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of> hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as a> cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well with> iodine therapy.> > http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/03/01/16324.aspx> > Hey, wait. I just now found the article I was looking for. Here it is,> but you'll have to scroll down pretty far to find the part cautioning> against thyroid meds in a-fib patients.> http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=16214> > Sorry for the delay in this response, but the holidays have been> pretty hectic at our household.> > > > > > > > , > > I have not yet started> iodine (I am hypo & about to start on dessicated thyroid) but since> you mention detoxing with Epsom salts, would it be good to be taking> 3-4 baths per week in 3-4 cups of Epsom (ea bath) to start "cleaning> up" my system? then start the iodine & dess. thyroid simultaneously? > As I have very mild atrial fib, I'm wanting to start gently so as not> to kick it up if poss. What would you advise about the order of> start up? ie., should iodine be tried first (w/ supplements of> course)? > > Many thanks for this help. > > Diane > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Rae, I had marked this topic to respond to, but I was unable to get around to it because of the many interruptions during the hectic holiday schedule....and then I lost track of it. Sorry. Yes, my husband does take coumadin together with iodine, but we were very careful to work him up very, very slowly -- especially at first. He started last summer during the high heat of August with local temps of 107-109F degrees outside. He likes to work out in the heat tending his fish pond. I think he has a death wish, but that's beside the point. I was worried about dehydration, and bromide detox makes you need to eat lots of salt and drink lots and pee lots, so we didn't want to take any unnecessary chances because he tended to (almost) black out whenever overheated. In other words, his situation was pretty unique. At any rate, after the first couple of months, he had worked up from 6.25 mg of iodine on M,W,F to 12.5 mg of iodine on Mon-Fri -- as best that I can recall. Then, along about the end of Oct. when it was still sunny and warm here in south central Texas where we live but was finally starting to cool off a bit, we decided to increase his dosage more quickly because he had another unique problem to arise -- namely, another bout of cellulitis which required heavy antibiotics. Because his blood sugar was near the top of the normal range, I decided that the blood sugar was likely feeding the staph infection, and based on Bonnie Cole's experience of reducing her blood sugar with 50 mg of iodine, I finally decided, " Damn the Torpodoes, Full Steam Ahead " and we quickly worked him up to 50 mg -- without any trouble! He is now taking 50-75 mg on Mon-Fri, depending on whether I remember to add 25 mg. of Lugol's to his evening beverage or not since he takes 50 mg of Iodoral at breakfast. Now, I must add that we were measuring his prothrombin time (blood clotting time) every two weeks, and I would recommend doing so for anyone who is taking coumadin, just to be on the safe side. He did have to lower his coumadin dosage ever so slightly on a temporary basis each time he raised his dosage of iodine in the beginning. I attributed this to an indirect effect of the iodine and not directly to iodine itself. By that I mean, I concluded that it was probably the effect of bromide detox which was affecting his blood clotting time each time that he raised his dosage of iodine simply because I couldn't explain it in any other way -- although it might have been simply coincidence -- except that nothing else had ever affected it before, so I really don't know what to make of it. Your guess is as good as mine. Nevertheless, I stand by what I said about warning anyone with A-fib to be very cautious about taking thyroid hormone out of the same spirit of caution that we try to exercise about everything, whether natural or mainstream Rx meds. My husband has a colleague who is NOT in good shape. He has had some life-threatening cardiac problems in the last couple of years -- until he took charge and changed his diet by going gluten free (again on my suggestion). Nevertheless, folks like him do need to err on the side of caution, and I encouraged him to consider taking iodine, but NOT to ask his doc for thyroid hormone rashly just because he wants to have more energy and push himself past his limits. His doctor would have complied with his request because this fellow is a smart PhD biochemist who can easily convince his doc that he knows more about physiology and biochemistry that the doc does. Folks like that are too smart for their own good! Therefore, I will continue to caution anyone with A-fib (especially the elderly) to be very cautious about taking thyroid hormone unless they are confident that they can tolerate iodine first, and by then they might not need it anyway. A lot of things can contribute to A-fib, so it would be wise to approach that problem with other measures FIRST (such as dietary changes) before doing something that might prove to be risky for them, based simply on the fact that someone else was able to get by with it. BTW, the doctor who wrote that article that I quoted from is a mainstream CFS academic guy whom I have met at CDC/CFS conferences, but I heed his warning nonetheless since he did warn against both synthroid as well as NTH -- so I know it wasn't a bias against NTH per se. As a CFS specialist, he had a very good understanding of the cardiac risks which folks with ill-defined chronic health problems such as CFS face. So, even though I'm not a fan of mainstream docs in general, I do listen to them once in a while -- not often, but occasionally. " Discretion is the better part of valor, " you know. Also, " Haste makes waste. " We all recall the folk tale about the tortoise and the hare, and everyone knows how that story turned out. > > > > > > > > > I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of > > > hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as > > > a cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well > > > with iodine therapy. > > > > This isn't true. Grave's patients need iodine. Any thyroid illness is > > the result of iodine deficiency. From the early 1800s through the > > 1950s, Lugol's was given successfully for both hypo and hyper-thyroid > > conditions. It's only been since the onset of iodophobia (fear of > > iodine), based on the medical fraud of the Wolff- Chaikoff Effect, > > that iodine stopped being given to Grave's patients. > > > > We have done a lot of work on this list trying to help people to > > understand they need iodine. The statement about Graves patients not > > needing iodine is incorrect. Sure, you'll find sources on the web > > claiming that to be true, but as we've said many times, the web and > > medical schools and medical textbooks are full of FALSE information > > about iodine. > > > > In point of fact, a-fib is a bromide detox symptom. And further, my > > own palpitations have thoroughly been resolved since starting the > > iodine protocol. > > > > -- > > moderator > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Diane, I just finished writing a response to this question under someone else's topic, so let me find a link to that comment so that I don't have to rewrite it again. Whoops, I can't do that because there is a time delay before messages show up in this forum. However, I can provide you a link to the message that I responded to, so that you can watch for my response when it appears later. iodine/message/86286 Yes, I knew that you had said hypothyroid, but something I learned at a medical conference this last fall led me to realize that it is not uncommon for hypothyroid patients to cycle between hypo and hyper symptoms, especially during the early years of their thyroidism -- so that's what I had in mind when I wrote what I did, although I failed to make that point clear. > > > > , > > > > I have not yet started iodine (I am hypo & about to start on dessicated thyroid) but since you mention detoxing with Epsom salts, would it be good to be taking 3-4 baths per week in 3-4 cups of Epsom (ea bath) to start " cleaning up " my system? then start the iodine & dess. thyroid simultaneously? As I have very mild atrial fib, I'm wanting to start gently so as not to kick it up if poss. What would you advise about the order of start up? ie., should iodine be tried first (w/ supplements of course)? > > > > Many thanks for this help. > > > > Diane > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012  Hi, I am not aware of any personal issues with Soy - thank goodness - as for years I tried to boost dietary protein by adding soy and soy flour to my foods. THEN I found that it was simply a very profitable way to dispose of the waste from Soy oil manufacture! Very similar to the Fluoride situation. Bad science indicated that there was a dental benefit to the use of Fluoride - which was very expensive for manufacturing and refining to dispose of - so now - in spite of all the information uncovered since - not only do they not have to pay to dump their waste they actually make an additional profit from it! I still use soy sauce and sometimes a K2 supplement as I now understand that most soy ingested in Asia is actually fermented - which helps overcome many of the dietary negatives. Much has been made of soy's status as one of the five Chinese sacred crops (Wǔgǔ), but Soy's inclusion is because of its value as a soil improver - not as a food crop! (The other four were wheat, proso millet, foxtail millet and hemp.) Dietary soy has become more questionable as much of the soy crops in the USA are now genetically modified! RE: Re: detox bath Rae, I would be encouraged by the possibility of lowering Coumadin levels. My father died because he had a brain aneurysm burst while on Coumadin. Since Coumadin keeps your blood from clotting, you risk death from any injury by bleeding to death. Have you heard of nattokinase? It keeps the blood thin naturally. Donna in IL From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of RaeSent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 2:55 PMiodine Subject: Re: Re: detox bath Thank you so much for clearing that up. Do you think my mom with a fib and hyperthyroid with diabetics could use idodine on a patch test inside her wrist would be ok and not upset the Coumadin . Rae Sent from my iPod On Jan 1, 2012, at 3:18 PM, " Baker" <vbaker@...> ; wrote: > I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of> hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as a> cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well with> iodine therapy.This isn't true. Grave's patients need iodine. Any thyroid illness is the result of iodine deficiency. From the early 1800s through the 1950s, Lugol's was given successfully for both hypo and hyper-thyroid conditions. It's only been since the onset of iodophobia (fear of iodine), based on the medical fraud of the Wolff-Chaikoff Effect, that iodine stopped being given to Grave's patients.We have done a lot of work on this list trying to help people to understand they need iodine. The statement about Graves patients not needing iodine is incorrect. Sure, you'll find sources on the web claiming that to be true, but as we've said many times, the web and medical schools and medical textbooks are full of FALSE information about iodine.In point of fact, a-fib is a bromide detox symptom. And further, my own palpitations have thoroughly been resolved since starting the iodine protocol. --moderatorOn 1 Jan 2012 at 16:22, texlyme_mom wrote:> Diane,> I recall an article written by an MD warning against using thryoid if> a person has atrial fibrillation, so I would start with iodine first> just to be on the safe side, if I were you. I can't find that same> article again easily right now without spending more time looking for> it than I have available to me. However, you might want to do a Google> search using the terms "thyroid + atrial fibrillation" to see what you> learn. > > I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of> hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as a> cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well with> iodine therapy.> > http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/03/01/16324.aspx> > Hey, wait. I just now found the article I was looking for. Here it is,> but you'll have to scroll down pretty far to find the part cautioning> against thyroid meds in a-fib patients.> http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=16214> > Sorry for the delay in this response, but the holidays have been> pretty hectic at our household.> > > > > > > > , > > I have not yet started> iodine (I am hypo & about to start on dessicated thyroid) but since> you mention detoxing with Epsom salts, would it be good to be taking> 3-4 baths per week in 3-4 cups of Epsom (ea bath) to start "cleaning> up" my system? then start the iodine & dess. thyroid simultaneously? > As I have very mild atrial fib, I'm wanting to start gently so as not> to kick it up if poss. What would you advise about the order of> start up? ie., should iodine be tried first (w/ supplements of> course)? > > Many thanks for this help. > > Diane > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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