detox bath

July 23, 2000

There are several detox baths. Here is the one we use.

1 lb sea salt & 1 lb baking soda in tub of hot water & soak for 20 min. Do

this on 3 consecutive days. (Especially necessary after any x-rays, but

good to do occasionally for general detoxification).

Speaking of detoxification, we are " treading water " at best to take

nutrients & do other forms of detoxing & then continually add more toxins

that caused our health problems in the first place. For health of the body,

we need to (1) reduce the toxins entering the body, (2) detoxify the tissues

of the body, (3) build up the organs to fight what toxins we can't keep from

entering. For education on #1, go to www.exploream.com then on the right

side, click on Healthy Choices, then read the article on toxins. If you are

interested in solutions, write me.

Kay Heizer

hhadvisory@...

Note for Kay Heizer...

>Kay,

>

>You sent me the radiation bath soak formula awhile back and I lost it.

Would

>you be so kind as to post to the list, as others might also be interested.

>

>I remember it being Epsom salts and baking soda, but cannot remember the

>amounts.

>

>I'm nearing my appt. for a mammogram, which is the last one I'm consenting

>to. I plan on using this afterward.

>

>Best,

>Judi

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August 7, 2000

Thanks for the formula for the detox bath. May I ask which research team

recommends it? And their website? Thank you.

Joy

On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Kay Heizer wrote:

> I've been out of town & don't know if I responded to this request.

> There are several detox baths. The one we use is 1 lb of baking soda,

> 1 lb of sea salt in a tub of hot water & soak for 20 min. Do this on

> 3 consecutive days. The drs on our research team especially recommend

> this after having any x-rays.

> Kay Heizer

> Detox Bath

>

> kay..need to know more..send all the data you can on this subject..sounds

very intersting..

>

> Thanks Judy

>

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August 7, 2000

I've been out of town & don't know if I responded to this request. There are several detox baths. The one we use is 1 lb of baking soda, 1 lb of sea salt in a tub of hot water & soak for 20 min. Do this on 3 consecutive days. The drs on our research team especially recommend this after having any x-rays.

Kay Heizer

Detox Bath

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August 16, 2000

Don't have a web site. The 3 drs on our research team, one is an N.M.D.

(Naturopathic M.D.), the other 2 are homeopathic chiropractors.

K

Detox Bath

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>> kay..need to know more..send all the data you can on this

subject..sounds very intersting..

>>

>> Thanks Judy

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December 29, 2011

Would this detox bath also help with facial acne or does it need to come into direct contact with the affected area?Hope Have you tried doing detox baths?1 Cup Epsom Salts (or Dead Sea Salt)1 Cup Hydrogen PeroxideVery warm waterSoak for 20 mins.This has helped others in the past to eliminate acne in other places.

December 29, 2011

Hope, it will help indirectly because it will help pull toxins out of all the skin, but you can/should also sponge it on the affected areas with a washcloth if they are not under the bath water. Donna in IL From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Hope SikesSent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 7:44 AMiodine Subject: detox bath Would this detox bath also help with facial acne or does it need to come into direct contact with the affected area?Hope Have you tried doing detox baths?1 Cup Epsom Salts (or Dead Sea Salt)1 Cup Hydrogen PeroxideVery warm waterSoak for 20 mins.This has helped others in the past to eliminate acne in other places.

December 29, 2011

You will need to take a natural sponge and sponge the mixture onto your face for it to be effective.

Buist, ND HC

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Hope SikesSent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 7:44 AMiodine Subject: detox bath

Would this detox bath also help with facial acne or does it need to come into direct contact with the affected area?

Hope

Have you tried doing detox baths?1 Cup Epsom Salts (or Dead Sea Salt)1 Cup Hydrogen PeroxideVery warm waterSoak f! or 20 mins.This has helped others in the past to eliminate acne in other places.

December 29, 2011

I might try 1/4 cup of each.

Buist, ND HC

detox bath

Would this detox bath also help with facial acne or does it need to come into direct contact with the affected area? Hope

Have you tried doing detox baths?1 Cup Epsom Salts (or Dead Sea Salt)1 Cup Hydrogen PeroxideVery warm waterSoak for 20 mins.This has helped others in the past to eliminate acne in other places.

December 29, 2011

, I presume you mean 3% food grade Hydrogen Peroxide and not 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide? From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> iodine Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:35 PM Subject: Re: detox bath

I might try 1/4 cup of each.

Buist, ND HC

detox bath

Would this detox bath also help with facial acne or does it need to come into direct contact with the affected area? Hope

Have you tried doing detox baths?1 Cup Epsom Salts (or Dead Sea Salt)1 Cup Hydrogen PeroxideVery warm waterSoak for 20 mins.This has helped others in the past to eliminate acne in other places.

December 29, 2011

ï»¿

I just buy the cheap stuff at the drugstore or CostCo.

Buist, ND HC

detox bath

Would this detox bath also help with facial acne or does it need to come into direct contact with the affected area?

Hope

Have you tried doing detox baths?1 Cup Epsom Salts (or Dead Sea Salt)1 Cup Hydrogen PeroxideVery warm waterSoak for 20 mins.This has helped others in the past to eliminate acne in other places.

December 29, 2011

ï»¿

So that would be the 3%, not the food grade 35%.

Kathleen

detox bath

Would this detox bath also help with facial acne or does it need to come into direct contact with the affected area?

Hope

Have you tried doing detox baths?1 Cup Epsom Salts (or Dead Sea Salt)1 Cup Hydrogen PeroxideVery warm waterSoak for 20 mins.This has helped others in the past to eliminate acne in other places.

December 29, 2011

ï»¿

Yes I guess it is - I never paid attention to the percentage. I think food grade is a lot more expensive.

http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-hydrogen-peroxide-3-solution-antiseptic/oral-debriding-agent/ID=prod1375535-product

Buist, ND HC

detox bath

Would this detox bath also help with facial acne or does it need to come into direct contact with the affected area?

Hope

Have you tried doing detox baths?1 Cup Epsom Salts (or Dead Sea Salt)1 Cup Hydrogen PeroxideVery warm waterSoak for 20 mins.This has helped others in the past to eliminate acne in other places.

December 29, 2011

,

I have not yet started iodine (I am hypo & about to start on dessicated thyroid) but since you mention detoxing with Epsom salts, would it be good to be taking 3-4 baths per week in 3-4 cups of Epsom (ea bath) to start "cleaning up" my system? then start the iodine & dess. thyroid simultaneously? As I have very mild atrial fib, I'm wanting to start gently so as not to kick it up if poss. What would you advise about the order of start up? ie., should iodine be tried first (w/ supplements of course)?

Many thanks for this help.

Diane

From: ladybugsandbees

Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:34 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: detox bath

ï»¿ I just buy the cheap stuff at the drugstore or CostCo.

Buist, ND HC

detox bath

Would this detox bath also help with facial acne or does it need to come into direct contact with the affected area?

Hope

Have you tried doing detox baths?1 Cup Epsom Salts (or Dead Sea Salt)1 Cup Hydrogen PeroxideVery warm waterSoak for 20 mins.This has helped others in the past to eliminate acne in other places.

January 1, 2012

Thank you so much for clearing that up. Do you think my mom with a fib and hyperthyroid with diabetics could use idodine on a patch test inside her wrist would be ok and not upset the Coumadin . RaeSent from my iPodOn Jan 1, 2012, at 3:18 PM, " Baker" <vbaker@...> wrote:

> I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of

> hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as a

> cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well with

> iodine therapy.

This isn't true. Grave's patients need iodine. Any thyroid illness is the result of

iodine deficiency. From the early 1800s through the 1950s, Lugol's was given

successfully for both hypo and hyper-thyroid conditions. It's only been since the

onset of iodophobia (fear of iodine), based on the medical fraud of the Wolff-

Chaikoff Effect, that iodine stopped being given to Grave's patients.

We have done a lot of work on this list trying to help people to understand they

need iodine. The statement about Graves patients not needing iodine is incorrect.

Sure, you'll find sources on the web claiming that to be true, but as we've said

many times, the web and medical schools and medical textbooks are full of FALSE

information about iodine.

In point of fact, a-fib is a bromide detox symptom. And further, my own palpitations

have thoroughly been resolved since starting the iodine protocol.

--

moderator

On 1 Jan 2012 at 16:22, texlyme_mom wrote:

> Diane,

> I recall an article written by an MD warning against using thryoid if

> a person has atrial fibrillation, so I would start with iodine first

> just to be on the safe side, if I were you. I can't find that same

> article again easily right now without spending more time looking for

> it than I have available to me. However, you might want to do a Google

> search using the terms "thyroid + atrial fibrillation" to see what you

> learn.

>

> I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of

> hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as a

> cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well with

> iodine therapy.

>

> http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/03/01/16324.aspx

>

> Hey, wait. I just now found the article I was looking for. Here it is,

> but you'll have to scroll down pretty far to find the part cautioning

> against thyroid meds in a-fib patients.

> http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=16214

>

> Sorry for the delay in this response, but the holidays have been

> pretty hectic at our household.

>

> > > , > > I have not yet started

> iodine (I am hypo & about to start on dessicated thyroid) but since

> you mention detoxing with Epsom salts, would it be good to be taking

> 3-4 baths per week in 3-4 cups of Epsom (ea bath) to start "cleaning

> up" my system? then start the iodine & dess. thyroid simultaneously?

> As I have very mild atrial fib, I'm wanting to start gently so as not

> to kick it up if poss. What would you advise about the order of

> start up? ie., should iodine be tried first (w/ supplements of

> course)? > > Many thanks for this help. > > Diane > >

January 1, 2012

Rae,

I just don't think any of us are competent to state clearly. 's

husband is on

coumadin and she says that the readings elevated briefly and then evened out

until

the next rise in iodine dose. I don't know enough to know whether that brief

change in readings should be followed by a change in coumadin dose, or whether

the brief change is within tolerance levels. might know the answer to

that

though.

Once the iodine is absorbed through the skin it goes to work in the same way

that it

does if taken orally, with the only difference being that any direct effects in

the

stomach or intestines is not a factor. So for people with stomach upset when

they

take Lugol's, they won't have that with topical application. But I should think

that a

systemic effect, such as an effect on coumadin potency, would still be present.

Another aspect of this is how much iodine is being taken? Perhaps

could

tell you how much her husband is taking. If you're talking about 1 drop on the

wrist,

that is UNLIKELY to cause any such effect on coumadin.

But here's something most of have to face in our lives: Often our loved ones

simply will not do what we want them to do. My own mother will not take my

advice

about supplements. I've tried over and over with her, and even when I buy them,

she'll take them once and then say it upset her stomach or, even worse, made her

feel too good (try living with that one). My point being, you may not be able

to help

your mother in this area if she simply refuses. It's one thing for each of us

to take

responsibility for our own health, but it's quite another to try to help others

who don't

want the help. I try very hard not to engage with my mother on the subject

because

it upsets her. Why? don't know. But I have to accept that she might not live

as

long as should could if she were willing to engage with nutrition.

food for thought. ymmv.

--

moderator

On 1 Jan 2012 at 15:55, Rae wrote:

>

> Thank you so much for clearing that up. Do you think my mom with a fib

> and hyperthyroid with diabetics could use idodine on a patch test

> inside her wrist would be ok and not upset the Coumadin . Rae

>

> Sent from my iPod

>

> On Jan 1, 2012, at 3:18 PM, " Baker " <vbaker@...> wrote:

>

> > I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of

> > hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as

> > a cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well

> > with iodine therapy.

>

> This isn't true. Grave's patients need iodine. Any thyroid illness is

> the result of iodine deficiency. From the early 1800s through the

> 1950s, Lugol's was given successfully for both hypo and hyper-thyroid

> conditions. It's only been since the onset of iodophobia (fear of

> iodine), based on the medical fraud of the Wolff- Chaikoff Effect,

> that iodine stopped being given to Grave's patients.

>

> We have done a lot of work on this list trying to help people to

> understand they need iodine. The statement about Graves patients not

> needing iodine is incorrect. Sure, you'll find sources on the web

> claiming that to be true, but as we've said many times, the web and

> medical schools and medical textbooks are full of FALSE information

> about iodine.

>

> In point of fact, a-fib is a bromide detox symptom. And further, my

> own palpitations have thoroughly been resolved since starting the

> iodine protocol.

>

> --

> moderator

>

> On 1 Jan 2012 at 16:22, texlyme_mom wrote:

>

> > Diane,

> > I recall an article written by an MD warning against using thryoid

> > if a person has atrial fibrillation, so I would start with iodine

> > first just to be on the safe side, if I were you. I can't find that

> > same article again easily right now without spending more time

> > looking for it than I have available to me. However, you might want

> > to do a Google search using the terms " thyroid + atrial

> > fibrillation " to see what you learn.

> >

> > I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of

> > hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as

> > a cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well

> > with iodine therapy.

> >

> > http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/03/01/16324.aspx

> >

> > Hey, wait. I just now found the article I was looking for. Here it

> > is, but you'll have to scroll down pretty far to find the part

> > cautioning against thyroid meds in a-fib patients.

> > http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=16214

> >

> > Sorry for the delay in this response, but the holidays have been

> > pretty hectic at our household.

> >

> > > > , > > I have not yet

> > started iodine (I am hypo & about to start on dessicated thyroid)

> > but since you mention detoxing with Epsom salts, would it be good to

> > be taking 3-4 baths per week in 3-4 cups of Epsom (ea bath) to start

> > " cleaning up " my system? then start the iodine & dess. thyroid

> > simultaneously? As I have very mild atrial fib, I'm wanting to start

> > gently so as not to kick it up if poss. What would you advise about

> > the order of start up? ie., should iodine be tried first (w/

> > supplements of course)? > > Many thanks for this help. > > Diane > >

> >

>

January 1, 2012

Yeah sounds like my mom. Stubborn as a bull. Love but i sometimes get very frustrated with her. I at least got my sister started. I am hoping the lugol's will do something for my chest cold. It feels like I have pneumonia again so will try inhaling a mist of peroxide like someone mentioned. Hugs raeSent from my iPodOn Jan 1, 2012, at 6:39 PM, " Baker" <vbaker@...> wrote:

Rae,

I just don't think any of us are competent to state clearly. 's husband is on

coumadin and she says that the readings elevated briefly and then evened out until

the next rise in iodine dose. I don't know enough to know whether that brief

change in readings should be followed by a change in coumadin dose, or whether

the brief change is within tolerance levels. might know the answer to that

though.

Once the iodine is absorbed through the skin it goes to work in the same way that it

does if taken orally, with the only difference being that any direct effects in the

stomach or intestines is not a factor. So for people with stomach upset when they

take Lugol's, they won't have that with topical application. But I should think that a

systemic effect, such as an effect on coumadin potency, would still be present.

Another aspect of this is how much iodine is being taken? Perhaps could

tell you how much her husband is taking. If you're talking about 1 drop on the wrist,

that is UNLIKELY to cause any such effect on coumadin.

But here's something most of have to face in our lives: Often our loved ones

simply will not do what we want them to do. My own mother will not take my advice

about supplements. I've tried over and over with her, and even when I buy them,

she'll take them once and then say it upset her stomach or, even worse, made her

feel too good (try living with that one). My point being, you may not be able to help

your mother in this area if she simply refuses. It's one thing for each of us to take

responsibility for our own health, but it's quite another to try to help others who don't

want the help. I try very hard not to engage with my mother on the subject because

it upsets her. Why? don't know. But I have to accept that she might not live as

long as should could if she were willing to engage with nutrition.

food for thought. ymmv.

--

moderator

On 1 Jan 2012 at 15:55, Rae wrote:

>

> Thank you so much for clearing that up. Do you think my mom with a fib

> and hyperthyroid with diabetics could use idodine on a patch test

> inside her wrist would be ok and not upset the Coumadin . Rae

>

> Sent from my iPod

>

> On Jan 1, 2012, at 3:18 PM, " Baker" <vbaker@...> wrote:

>

> > I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of

> > hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as

> > a cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well

> > with iodine therapy.

>

> This isn't true. Grave's patients need iodine. Any thyroid illness is

> the result of iodine deficiency. From the early 1800s through the

> 1950s, Lugol's was given successfully for both hypo and hyper-thyroid

> conditions. It's only been since the onset of iodophobia (fear of

> iodine), based on the medical fraud of the Wolff- Chaikoff Effect,

> that iodine stopped being given to Grave's patients.

>

> We have done a lot of work on this list trying to help people to

> understand they need iodine. The statement about Graves patients not

> needing iodine is incorrect. Sure, you'll find sources on the web

> claiming that to be true, but as we've said many times, the web and

> medical schools and medical textbooks are full of FALSE information

> about iodine.

>

> In point of fact, a-fib is a bromide detox symptom. And further, my

> own palpitations have thoroughly been resolved since starting the

> iodine protocol.

>

> --

> moderator

>

> On 1 Jan 2012 at 16:22, texlyme_mom wrote:

>

> > Diane,

> > I recall an article written by an MD warning against using thryoid

> > if a person has atrial fibrillation, so I would start with iodine

> > first just to be on the safe side, if I were you. I can't find that

> > same article again easily right now without spending more time

> > looking for it than I have available to me. However, you might want

> > to do a Google search using the terms "thyroid + atrial

> > fibrillation" to see what you learn.

> >

> > I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of

> > hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as

> > a cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well

> > with iodine therapy.

> >

> > http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/03/01/16324.aspx

> >

> > Hey, wait. I just now found the article I was looking for. Here it

> > is, but you'll have to scroll down pretty far to find the part

> > cautioning against thyroid meds in a-fib patients.

> > http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=16214

> >

> > Sorry for the delay in this response, but the holidays have been

> > pretty hectic at our household.

> >

> > > > , > > I have not yet

> > started iodine (I am hypo & about to start on dessicated thyroid)

> > but since you mention detoxing with Epsom salts, would it be good to

> > be taking 3-4 baths per week in 3-4 cups of Epsom (ea bath) to start

> > "cleaning up" my system? then start the iodine & dess. thyroid

> > simultaneously? As I have very mild atrial fib, I'm wanting to start

> > gently so as not to kick it up if poss. What would you advise about

> > the order of start up? ie., should iodine be tried first (w/

> > supplements of course)? > > Many thanks for this help. > > Diane > >

> >

>

January 1, 2012

--Thank you for taking the time these busy days to respond & include the article.

It's also believed atrial fib can result from hypothyroidism (not only hyper). So, sounds like you are recommending starting small with Lugol's and see if this helps the thyroid. Do we just stay on iodine (gradually raising it) until we see the thyroid symptoms disappearing? (ie., weight gain, hair loss, dry skin, too much sleeping, etc)

Blessings of Christmas and New Year. Great help.

Diane

From: texlyme_mom

Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 11:22 AM

iodine

Subject: Re: detox bath

Diane,I recall an article written by an MD warning against using thryoid if a person has atrial fibrillation, so I would start with iodine first just to be on the safe side, if I were you. I can't find that same article again easily right now without spending more time looking for it than I have available to me. However, you might want to do a Google search using the terms "thyroid + atrial fibrillation" to see what you learn. I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as a cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well with iodine therapy.http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/03/01/16324.aspxHey, wait. I just now found the article I was looking for. Here it is, but you'll have to scroll down pretty far to find the part cautioning against thyroid meds in a-fib patients.http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=16214Sorry for the delay in this response, but the holidays have been pretty hectic at our household.>> ,> > I have not yet started iodine (I am hypo & about to start on dessicated thyroid) but since you mention detoxing with Epsom salts, would it be good to be taking 3-4 baths per week in 3-4 cups of Epsom (ea bath) to start "cleaning up" my system? then start the iodine & dess. thyroid simultaneously? As I have very mild atrial fib, I'm wanting to start gently so as not to kick it up if poss. What would you advise about the order of start up? ie., should iodine be tried first (w/ supplements of course)?> > Many thanks for this help.> > Diane> >

January 1, 2012

Dody, thank you for sharing this amazing journey. My family dr. is now 86 yrs old (Cinti. area) & says he has always preferred to prescribe natural thyroid; but throughout your yrs with it, I see it increased your BP, but did it give you a-fib episodes? (I have very few, just don't want to increase them!)

Have you used iodine throughout any of these years to improve your hypo? I am also still wondering if Epsom salts baths are recommended for detoxing whether or NOT using iodine. (A holistic dentist informed me that I should be taking 4 baths per week with at least 2-4 cups of epsom each bath... just for general detoxing.)

I hope your atrial fib has been more stable finally. Thanks again,

Diane

From: Dorothy VerSluis

Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 2:04 PM

iodine

Subject: RE: Re: detox bath

Alrighty …

ABOUT NATURAL ANIMAL THYROID HORMONE WITH A-FIB:

I was born Hyper, but they used radiation on me during the first weeks of my life, so I then spent the first 21 years constipated and Hypo! No advice or treatment was given after they did the nuke!

Another nuke & surgical removal of some of thyroid at age 21. Another nuke and more surgical removal of some of thyroid at age 38. I began meds at age 21 = 1 grain, then about 3 years later upped to 2 grains, then about 3 years later upped to 4 grains. At 4 grains of Synth from about age 30 to age 58. Then 4 grains of Armour from age 58 to 60 something. Then 1 grain Armour. Then 1 grain ERFA. Now 1 grain NaturThroid.

I had spent 10 years on natural animal thyroid, then 28 years on Synth, then back on the natural animal thyroid. I remained at 4 grains. But around age 60 docs began to tell me that I had high blood pressure, high pulse, and a-fib! This was a big surprise since I’d been extremely low blood pressure, slow pulse, etc., most of my life!

I am now 71. My doc did insist that I go from 4 grains back to 1 grain about 3 years back. So, from about age 60 to 68 I was taking 4 grains a day with A-fib, and I am still taking 1 grain a day with A-fib, and … I am currently begging doc to increase my dosage to 1 and ½ or 2 grains a day.

So … I guess you can take thyroid when you have A-fib, since I have been doing it.

For the past five years everyone new who takes my blood pressure wants me to go immediately to Emergency because they think I am moments away from a stroke! Obviously I am not. Meanwhile, I have had “confrontations” that might have killed some people, but I am half Irish, so apparently there is nothing that is ever going to stop my heart. The stroke thing I don’t know about, but no one in my family ever had one!

From what I’ve seen, docs will say ANYTHING to get you away from natural animal thyroid hormone! Idiots!

Dody

Colorado

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of texlyme_momSent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 9:22 AMiodine Subject: Re: detox bath

Diane,I recall an article written by an MD warning against using thryoid if a person has atrial fibrillation, so I would start with iodine first just to be on the safe side, if I were you. I can't find that same article again easily right now without spending more time looking for it than I have available to me. However, you might want to do a Google search using the terms "thyroid + atrial fibrillation" to see what you learn. I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as a cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well with iodine therapy.http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/03/01/16324.aspxHey, wait. I just now found the article I was looking for. Here it is, but you'll have to scroll down pretty far to find the part cautioning against thyroid meds in a-fib patients.http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=16214Sorry for the delay in this response, but the holidays have been pretty hectic at our household.>> ,> > I have not yet started iodine (I am hypo & about to start on dessicated thyroid) but since you mention detoxing with Epsom salts, would it be good to be taking 3-4 baths per week in 3-4 cups of Epsom (ea bath) to start "cleaning up" my system? then start the iodine & dess. thyroid simultaneously? As I have very mild atrial fib, I'm wanting to start gently so as not to kick it up if poss. What would you advise about the order of start up? ie., should iodine be tried first (w/ supplements of course)?> > Many thanks for this help.> > Diane> >

January 1, 2012

Rae,I would be encouraged by the possibility of lowering Coumadin levels. My father died because he had a brain aneurysm burst while on Coumadin. Since Coumadin keeps your blood from clotting, you risk death from any injury by bleeding to death. Have you heard of nattokinase? It keeps the blood thin naturally. Donna in IL From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of RaeSent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 2:55 PMiodine Subject: Re: Re: detox bath Thank you so much for clearing that up. Do you think my mom with a fib and hyperthyroid with diabetics could use idodine on a patch test inside her wrist would be ok and not upset the Coumadin . RaeSent from my iPodOn Jan 1, 2012, at 3:18 PM, " Baker " <vbaker@...> wrote: > I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of> hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as a> cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well with> iodine therapy.This isn't true. Grave's patients need iodine. Any thyroid illness is the result of iodine deficiency. From the early 1800s through the 1950s, Lugol's was given successfully for both hypo and hyper-thyroid conditions. It's only been since the onset of iodophobia (fear of iodine), based on the medical fraud of the Wolff-Chaikoff Effect, that iodine stopped being given to Grave's patients.We have done a lot of work on this list trying to help people to understand they need iodine. The statement about Graves patients not needing iodine is incorrect. Sure, you'll find sources on the web claiming that to be true, but as we've said many times, the web and medical schools and medical textbooks are full of FALSE information about iodine.In point of fact, a-fib is a bromide detox symptom. And further, my own palpitations have thoroughly been resolved since starting the iodine protocol. --moderatorOn 1 Jan 2012 at 16:22, texlyme_mom wrote:> Diane,> I recall an article written by an MD warning against using thryoid if> a person has atrial fibrillation, so I would start with iodine first> just to be on the safe side, if I were you. I can't find that same> article again easily right now without spending more time looking for> it than I have available to me. However, you might want to do a Google> search using the terms " thyroid + atrial fibrillation " to see what you> learn. > > I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of> hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as a> cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well with> iodine therapy.> > http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/03/01/16324.aspx> > Hey, wait. I just now found the article I was looking for. Here it is,> but you'll have to scroll down pretty far to find the part cautioning> against thyroid meds in a-fib patients.> http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=16214> > Sorry for the delay in this response, but the holidays have been> pretty hectic at our household.> > > > > > > > , > > I have not yet started> iodine (I am hypo & about to start on dessicated thyroid) but since> you mention detoxing with Epsom salts, would it be good to be taking> 3-4 baths per week in 3-4 cups of Epsom (ea bath) to start " cleaning> up " my system? then start the iodine & dess. thyroid simultaneously? > As I have very mild atrial fib, I'm wanting to start gently so as not> to kick it up if poss. What would you advise about the order of> start up? ie., should iodine be tried first (w/ supplements of> course)? > > Many thanks for this help. > > Diane > >

January 1, 2012

No no! I did very well on natural animal thyroid hormone. It was the 28 years on Synthroid that gave me the heart issues, blood pressure issues, etc. No matter how much synthetic med you take, you are getting no hormone! With no hormone your organs get worse each day. At the end of 28 years on Synthroid I had no muscle control at all. I could not even yawn! I was afraid I was going to go on permanent and total disability because I was nearly unable to dress myself! But when I flatly refused to use Synthroid anymore, and went back to the natural animal thyroid, then over the next 8 years, (even with no dieting and no exercise program of any kind), I lost about 100 pounds! I was finally thinking I was going to recover, and be able to exercise and get some muscle tone. But then they started changing the formula of the Armour thyroid! I gained the weight back and had to switch around until I found the ERFA and NaturThroid. All over this planet they have eliminated most of the natural animal thyroid hormone! It makes no sense. Because it is a byproduct of pork production, the natural animal thyroid meds are the cheapest meds in the world! Why would anyone think it was a good idea to develop a synthetic to go into competition with it? Makes no sense. There is no logic. Even today, a full month’s supply of 1 grain tablets is costing me $6 and change! That is not a co pay. That is the full cost of a month’s prescription. When the big pharmaceuticals came out with Synthroid all the docs were trained to believe that the natural animal thyroid was “unstable”, and that Synthroid was better. So that’s what the doctors told their patients and so people paid 4 times as much for Synthroid (or even more) than they had paid for the Armour. At one point the big Pharma lost a class action suit because they had been charging so much for a medication while claiming it was “the same” as natural animal thyroid hormone. Of course it is nothing like natural animal thyroid hormone! So my problems are the result of NO hormone! They are the result of having 28 years with only synthetic thyroid meds which offered my body nothing! Even the big Pharma will admit they are treating “symptoms” or covering or eliminating symptoms. They do NOT treat thyroid disease! Of course no doc suggested that I take Iodine! And to tell you the truth, being nuked 3 times and having thyroid tissue surgically removed twice, I don’t know that I have anything in there that could benefit from Iodine. Though, from what I am reading here, I guess I should be trying it. The doctors insist they don’t know why I have high blood pressure or A-fib, but I am convinced it is simply all those years of lack of treatment with the hormone! I am so sorry if I said something that gave you the impression that taking natural animal thyroid hormone had caused me to have heart issues or high blood pressure, etc. I was trying to make the point that I am indeed taking natural animal thyroid hormone and I have A-fib that is totally out of control, and it is not causing me any additional problems. I believe that if I can convince my doc to increase my dosage I will actually see LESS A-fib. DodyColorado From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Dr. Diane SchneiderSent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 6:44 PMiodine Subject: Re: Re: detox bath Dody, thank you for sharing this amazing journey. My family dr. is now 86 yrs old (Cinti. area) & says he has always preferred to prescribe natural thyroid; but throughout your yrs with it, I see it increased your BP, but did it give you a-fib episodes? (I have very few, just don't want to increase them!) Have you used iodine throughout any of these years to improve your hypo? I am also still wondering if Epsom salts baths are recommended for detoxing whether or NOT using iodine. (A holistic dentist informed me that I should be taking 4 baths per week with at least 2-4 cups of epsom each bath... just for general detoxing.) I hope your atrial fib has been more stable finally. Thanks again, Diane From: Dorothy VerSluis Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 2:04 PMiodine Subject: RE: Re: detox bath Alrighty …ABOUT NATURAL ANIMAL THYROID HORMONE WITH A-FIB: I was born Hyper, but they used radiation on me during the first weeks of my life, so I then spent the first 21 years constipated and Hypo! No advice or treatment was given after they did the nuke!Another nuke & surgical removal of some of thyroid at age 21. Another nuke and more surgical removal of some of thyroid at age 38. I began meds at age 21 = 1 grain, then about 3 years later upped to 2 grains, then about 3 years later upped to 4 grains. At 4 grains of Synth from about age 30 to age 58. Then 4 grains of Armour from age 58 to 60 something. Then 1 grain Armour. Then 1 grain ERFA. Now 1 grain NaturThroid. I had spent 10 years on natural animal thyroid, then 28 years on Synth, then back on the natural animal thyroid. I remained at 4 grains. But around age 60 docs began to tell me that I had high blood pressure, high pulse, and a-fib! This was a big surprise since I’d been extremely low blood pressure, slow pulse, etc., most of my life!I am now 71. My doc did insist that I go from 4 grains back to 1 grain about 3 years back. So, from about age 60 to 68 I was taking 4 grains a day with A-fib, and I am still taking 1 grain a day with A-fib, and … I am currently begging doc to increase my dosage to 1 and ½ or 2 grains a day.So … I guess you can take thyroid when you have A-fib, since I have been doing it.For the past five years everyone new who takes my blood pressure wants me to go immediately to Emergency because they think I am moments away from a stroke! Obviously I am not. Meanwhile, I have had “confrontations” that might have killed some people, but I am half Irish, so apparently there is nothing that is ever going to stop my heart. The stroke thing I don’t know about, but no one in my family ever had one! From what I’ve seen, docs will say ANYTHING to get you away from natural animal thyroid hormone! Idiots!DodyColorado From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of texlyme_momSent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 9:22 AMiodine Subject: Re: detox bath Diane,I recall an article written by an MD warning against using thryoid if a person has atrial fibrillation, so I would start with iodine first just to be on the safe side, if I were you. I can't find that same article again easily right now without spending more time looking for it than I have available to me. However, you might want to do a Google search using the terms " thyroid + atrial fibrillation " to see what you learn. I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease as a cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do well with iodine therapy.http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/03/01/16324.aspxHey, wait. I just now found the article I was looking for. Here it is, but you'll have to scroll down pretty far to find the part cautioning against thyroid meds in a-fib patients.http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=16214Sorry for the delay in this response, but the holidays have been pretty hectic at our household.>> ,> > I have not yet started iodine (I am hypo & about to start on dessicated thyroid) but since you mention detoxing with Epsom salts, would it be good to be taking 3-4 baths per week in 3-4 cups of Epsom (ea bath) to start " cleaning up " my system? then start the iodine & dess. thyroid simultaneously? As I have very mild atrial fib, I'm wanting to start gently so as not to kick it up if poss. What would you advise about the order of start up? ie., should iodine be tried first (w/ supplements of course)?> > Many thanks for this help.> > Diane> >

January 1, 2012

Rae-- Put Lugol's in your inhaled mist. It's excellent in nebulizers and steam

baths.

I've done it-- it's pretty amazing and totally safe.

--V

On 1 Jan 2012 at 19:30, Rae wrote:

>

> Yeah sounds like my mom. Stubborn as a bull. Love but i sometimes get

> very frustrated with her. I at least got my sister started. I am

> hoping the lugol's will do something for my chest cold. It feels like

> I have pneumonia again so will try inhaling a mist of peroxide like

> someone mentioned. Hugs rae

>

> Sent from my iPod

>

> On Jan 1, 2012, at 6:39 PM, " Baker " <vbaker@...> wrote:

>

> Rae,

>

> I just don't think any of us are competent to state clearly.

> 's husband is on coumadin and she says that the readings

> elevated briefly and then evened out until the next rise in iodine

> dose. I don't know enough to know whether that brief change in

> readings should be followed by a change in coumadin dose, or whether

> the brief change is within tolerance levels. might know the

> answer to that though.

>

> Once the iodine is absorbed through the skin it goes to work in the

> same way that it does if taken orally, with the only difference being

> that any direct effects in the stomach or intestines is not a factor.

> So for people with stomach upset when they take Lugol's, they won't

> have that with topical application. But I should think that a systemic

> effect, such as an effect on coumadin potency, would still be present.

>

> Another aspect of this is how much iodine is being taken? Perhaps

> could tell you how much her husband is taking. If you're

> talking about 1 drop on the wrist, that is UNLIKELY to cause any such

> effect on coumadin.

>

> But here's something most of have to face in our lives: Often our

> loved ones simply will not do what we want them to do. My own mother

> will not take my advice about supplements. I've tried over and over

> with her, and even when I buy them, she'll take them once and then say

> it upset her stomach or, even worse, made her feel too good (try

> living with that one). My point being, you may not be able to help

> your mother in this area if she simply refuses. It's one thing for

> each of us to take responsibility for our own health, but it's quite

> another to try to help others who don't want the help. I try very hard

> not to engage with my mother on the subject because it upsets her.

> Why? don't know. But I have to accept that she might not live as long

> as should could if she were willing to engage with nutrition.

>

> food for thought. ymmv.

>

> --

> moderator

>

> On 1 Jan 2012 at 15:55, Rae wrote:

>

> >

> > Thank you so much for clearing that up. Do you think my mom with a

> > fib and hyperthyroid with diabetics could use idodine on a patch

> > test inside her wrist would be ok and not upset the Coumadin . Rae

> >

> > Sent from my iPod

> >

> > On Jan 1, 2012, at 3:18 PM, " Baker " <vbaker@...>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of

> > > hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease

> > > as a cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do

> > > well with iodine therapy.

> >

> > This isn't true. Grave's patients need iodine. Any thyroid illness

> > is the result of iodine deficiency. From the early 1800s through the

> > 1950s, Lugol's was given successfully for both hypo and

> > hyper-thyroid conditions. It's only been since the onset of

> > iodophobia (fear of iodine), based on the medical fraud of the

> > Wolff- Chaikoff Effect, that iodine stopped being given to Grave's

> > patients.

> >

> > We have done a lot of work on this list trying to help people to

> > understand they need iodine. The statement about Graves patients not

> > needing iodine is incorrect. Sure, you'll find sources on the web

> > claiming that to be true, but as we've said many times, the web and

> > medical schools and medical textbooks are full of FALSE information

> > about iodine.

> >

> > In point of fact, a-fib is a bromide detox symptom. And further, my

> > own palpitations have thoroughly been resolved since starting the

> > iodine protocol.

> >

> > --

> > moderator

> >

> > On 1 Jan 2012 at 16:22, texlyme_mom wrote:

> >

> > > Diane,

> > > I recall an article written by an MD warning against using thryoid

> > > if a person has atrial fibrillation, so I would start with iodine

> > > first just to be on the safe side, if I were you. I can't find

> > > that same article again easily right now without spending more

> > > time looking for it than I have available to me. However, you

> > > might want to do a Google search using the terms " thyroid + atrial

> > > fibrillation " to see what you learn.

> > >

> > > I did find one article suggesting that a-fib can be a result of

> > > hyperthyroidism. If so, then you need to rule out Grave's disease

> > > as a cause of the a-fib first because Grave's patients do not do

> > > well with iodine therapy.

> > >

> > > http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/03/01/16324.aspx

> > >

> > > Hey, wait. I just now found the article I was looking for. Here it

> > > is, but you'll have to scroll down pretty far to find the part

> > > cautioning against thyroid meds in a-fib patients.

> > > http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=16214

> > >

> > > Sorry for the delay in this response, but the holidays have been

> > > pretty hectic at our household.

> > >

> > > > > , > > I have not yet

> > > started iodine (I am hypo & about to start on dessicated thyroid)

> > > but since you mention detoxing with Epsom salts, would it be good

> > > to be taking 3-4 baths per week in 3-4 cups of Epsom (ea bath) to

> > > start " cleaning up " my system? then start the iodine & dess.

> > > thyroid simultaneously? As I have very mild atrial fib, I'm

> > > wanting to start gently so as not to kick it up if poss. What

> > > would you advise about the order of start up? ie., should iodine

> > > be tried first (w/ supplements of course)? > > Many thanks for

> > > this help. > > Diane > >

> > >

> >

>

January 1, 2012

I put peroxide in the little mist bottle so can I add the Lugols drops to that. How many drops would I add to the 4 oz bottle of peroxide. Thanks Rae From: Baker <vbaker@...> iodine Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 9:33 PM Subject: Re: Re: detox bath

Rae-- Put Lugol's in your inhaled mist. It's excellent in nebulizers and steam baths.

I've done it-- it's pretty amazing and totally safe.

--V

On 1 Jan 2012 at 19:30, Rae wrote:

>

> Yeah sounds like my mom. Stubborn as a bull. Love but i sometimes get

> very frustrated with her. I at least got my sister started. I am

> hoping the lugol's will do something for my chest cold. It feels like

> I have pneumonia again so will try inhaling a mist of peroxide like

> someone mentioned. Hugs rae

>

> Sent from my iPod

>

> On Jan 1, 2012, at 6:39 PM, " Baker" <vbaker@...> wrote: