Iodine max safe dosage

[Guest guest]

So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more detox

reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via the

tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.

Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want to work

up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for me. I

have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more

improbable thing I must try.

I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat infection.

I also plan to turn it into " liposomal " lugol's iodine. Liposomes can really

amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes.

So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self experimentation.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Dr. Albert Szent Gyorgi was said to take iodine as KI in doses of a gram / day.

The rhyme " If ye don't know where, what, and why

Prescribe ye then K and I " is associated with

him.

http://iodine4health.com/overviews/clinicians/szentgyorgi_clinician.htm

" The standard dose was 1 gram of KI, which contains 770 mg of iodine. "

I'm not advising you, but just pointing out that people took this much iodine in

the past without worry and with benefits.

It was considered the universal medicine (or nutrient).

http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/learning/iodine-universal-nutrient.html

In your case, you know " where, what and why " .

What I'm wondering is along the same lines as your question. What if you

suspect an ongoing bacterial infection such as mycoplasma bacterium. Dr.

Brownstein says this bacteria shows up in 50 to 70% of Hashi's and Graves

patients. (p. 122 in " Overcoming Thyroid Disorders " )

Does anyone think that Iodine could replace antibiotics in such a case?

I had bad candida before iodine, and the last place I'd want to go is long term

anti-biotics.

Is just iodine enough?

, please let us know how max,max,max iodine works for you as an infection

killer.

Karyn

>

> So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more detox

reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via the

tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.

>

> Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want to

work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for

me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more

improbable thing I must try.

>

> I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat infection.

>

> I also plan to turn it into " liposomal " lugol's iodine. Liposomes can really

amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes.

>

> So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self experimentation.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Karyn, I've been diagnosed with extreme intestinal candida along with extreme small intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth (SIBO) and low stomach acid which has caused me IBS - diarrhea and awful digestion for the last 20 years. I've just started taking Lugol's iodine 7% two drops in the morning (with 200mgs of selenium and 400mgs magnesium) I then take another two drops in the evening. I plan to do this for a week and then up the dose to three drops for a week x2 and so on.....I was wondering how long it took before you noticed a difference? Was it immediate? Or was it after a few weeks? How many drops did you end up taking? Did you take vitamin C with

it? I haven't suffered with any die off symptoms because I think I've already had them in the past due to all the natural and prescriptive antifungals I've taken but nothing seems to help the stomach problems. I follow a FODMAPS diet, take digestive enzymes and strong probiotics (kefir and vsl3 but they hasn't worked either. I've also currently started taking bentonite clay too with glutamine and water once to twice a day. ThanksRic From: Karyn Curtis <kcjlr@...> iodine Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 6:11 AM Subject: Re: Iodine max safe dosage

Dr. Albert Szent Gyorgi was said to take iodine as KI in doses of a gram / day.

The rhyme "If ye don't know where, what, and why

Prescribe ye then K and I" is associated with him.

http://iodine4health.com/overviews/clinicians/szentgyorgi_clinician.htm

"The standard dose was 1 gram of KI, which contains 770 mg of iodine."

I'm not advising you, but just pointing out that people took this much iodine in the past without worry and with benefits.

It was considered the universal medicine (or nutrient).

http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/learning/iodine-universal-nutrient.html

In your case, you know "where, what and why".

What I'm wondering is along the same lines as your question. What if you suspect an ongoing bacterial infection such as mycoplasma bacterium. Dr. Brownstein says this bacteria shows up in 50 to 70% of Hashi's and Graves patients. (p. 122 in "Overcoming Thyroid Disorders")

Does anyone think that Iodine could replace antibiotics in such a case?

I had bad candida before iodine, and the last place I'd want to go is long term anti-biotics.

Is just iodine enough?

, please let us know how max,max,max iodine works for you as an infection killer.

Karyn

>

> So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more detox reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via the tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.

>

> Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want to work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more improbable thing I must try.

>

> I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat infection.

>

> I also plan to turn it into "liposomal" lugol's iodine. Liposomes can really amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes.

>

> So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self experimentation.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know that Dr Brownstein uses antibiotics in some cases so I would say that there are probably times when iodine alone will not be enough.

Buist, ND HC

Re: Iodine max safe dosage

Dr. Albert Szent Gyorgi was said to take iodine as KI in doses of a gram / day. The rhyme "If ye don't know where, what, and whyPrescribe ye then K and I" is associated with him.http://iodine4health.com/overviews/clinicians/szentgyorgi_clinician.htm "The standard dose was 1 gram of KI, which contains 770 mg of iodine."I'm not advising you, but just pointing out that people took this much iodine in the past without worry and with benefits.It was considered the universal medicine (or nutrient).http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/learning/iodine-universal-nutrient.htmlIn your case, you know "where, what and why". What I'm wondering is along the same lines as your question. What if you suspect an ongoing bacterial infection such as mycoplasma bacterium. Dr. Brownstein says this bacteria shows up in 50 to 70% of Hashi's and Graves patients. (p. 122 in "Overcoming Thyroid Disorders")Does anyone think that Iodine could replace antibiotics in such a case?I had bad candida before iodine, and the last place I'd want to go is long term anti-biotics.Is just iodine enough?, please let us know how max,max,max iodine works for you as an infection killer.Karyn >> So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more detox reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via the tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.> > Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want to work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more improbable thing I must try. > > I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat infection. > > I also plan to turn it into "liposomal" lugol's iodine. Liposomes can really amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes. > > So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self experimentation.> > Thanks,> >

[Guest guest]

,

Since I am probably the person who first suggested Iodine Therapy to you for

treating Bartonella -- although it might have been another Lyme patient instead,

who perhaps told someone else who told you -- then my reasoning is that in the

case of Bartonella, Lyme docs are keenly aware that Bartonella is the most

difficult to treat of all of the tick-borne co-infections found as opportunists

in Lyme patients. Well, Bart AND mycoplasmas perhaps, that is.

That's why I suggested that, based on what is already known about the

ineffectiveness of heavy-duty antibiotic combos used to treat Bartonella, I'd

bet on high dose iodine therapy instead as a first line approach against

Bartonella.

Iodine has intracellular killing effects -- at least inside of white blood cells

(WBCs) that is, according to Dr. Derry's book on BC & Iodine. (See Parts 1

& 2, after the Intro, which is listed as Chap 1 in the Index)

http://www.amazon.com/Breast-Cancer-Iodine-Prevent-Survive/dp/1552128849/ref=sr_\

1_1?s=books & ie=UTF8 & qid=1325166358 & sr=1-1

I don't know if I've written this to you privately or not (or if it was someone

else whom I've corresponded with recently), but here's my thinking on how & why

I believe that iodine should probably be effective against Bartonella when all

other heavy-duty antibiotic combos have failed. First though, we have to

understand the pleomorphic life cycle of Bartonella. (Pleomorphic = many forms)

Bartonella is an intra-erythrocytic pathogen, meaning that it lives

parasitically inside red blood cells (RBC). When those RBCs die their natural

death after 3-4 months (maybe 4-6 mos. for infected RBCs), they release

gazillions of tiny " elementary bodies " of Bartonella-like-organisms (BLOs) into

the blood stream where these BLOs drift around looking for new RBCs to infect.

The idea is to have enough iodine on board in the blood stream at all times to

zap those nasty little BLOs while they are vulnerable and before they can take

refuge inside another RBC. Therefore, it will probably be at least 9-10 months

before you can start to tell whether you are making progress or not, and it

could easily be at least 12-18 months before you start feeling significantly

better. Then, I'd say that it would be wise to continue treating for at least

another 12 months past that point.

Will there be an Herxheimer-like reaction when these little BLOs start dying off

in mass? Your guess is as good as mine -- because you are a human volunteer

guinea pig in a cohort of one. So please do keep a good symptom journnal as you

progress so that you can guide the next person who decides to give iodine a

trial after having failed long-term, heavy-duty antibiotic combos for

Bartonella.

I would expect that it would probably take several life cycles of RBCs (ie, 4

mos times X -- with X representing the unknown number of life cycles for

infected RBCs) in order to diminish the population of infected cells down to a

low enough level that the immune system can handle the rest of the job in order

to keep Bart at bay.

Does iodine work intracellularly inside RBCs to kill Bart, as it does inside

WBCs to kill Borrelia? No one knows because no one has studied it yet. If I had

to wager on it though, I'd bet that it probably does because my limited

understanding of how iodine works is that it can be taken up by the RBCs.

However, since we cannot be sure about that, it's better if we stick with the

previous explanation of how iodine could work in the blood stream to kill the

BLOs which are released when RBCs die their natural death.

Let's discuss what constitutes a Herxheimer reaction (vs. the symptoms of

bromide detox) so that you can try to distinguish what symptoms are caused by

which kind of reaction. First though, be sure that you are familiar with the

list of symptoms which constitute a bromide detox. (link below) These symptoms

last only a few days at most, providing that your liver is capable of handling

toxins efficiently.

http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/bromidedetoxsymptomsandstrategies.html

According to the medical literature, a Herx reaction occurs whenever gram

negative bacteria die which releases the lipopolysaccharides (LPS) from its cell

walls into the blood, thereby triggering a " cytokine storm " . It's the cytokines

which cause the unpleasant and (even sometimes life-threatening) symptoms known

as a Herx reaction.

Well, I am NOT saying that I would expect such a severe, classical Herx reaction

such as that caused by the die-off of spirochetes, which is quite rare actually.

Instead, I would expect a waxing and waning of the typical symptoms associated

with Bart infections. I say this, assuming that your Borrelia & /or other TBD

pathogens have already been adequately treated so that Bart is your only

remaining pathogen foe.

You probably won't know if iodine is working or not for at least 9-10 months

AFTER you have built up to a therapeutic dosage of iodine. What's a therapeutic

dosage level for Bart? Good question. Same answer as above: It's anybody's guess

because you are a human vounteer guinea pig in a cohort of one, thus far. That's

why I re-emphasize the importance of keeing a detailed symptom journal.

Our daughter did an equally difficult -- actually much more difficult, and I'm

not exaggerating(!) -- experimental therapy for treating Bart, and the only way

that we could figure out what was going on was by analyzing her symptom journal

retrospectively. You know, 20/20 hindsight. We called it " looking in the rear

view mirror, " and it was often 6 weeks later after we recorded some confounding

symptom before we were able to discern what might have been the explanation for

it.

This can be psychologically very unnerving to say the least, but as my former

Marine Corps husband always likes to say, " No Guts, No Glory. "

I would suggest that you build up gradually on your dosage of iodine, just as

other sensitive patients must do, because detoxing from both bromide and from

the die-off of Bart organisms will tax the organs of detox to the max. Depending

on how ill you are, you might also have adrenal problems which you will have to

cope with.

Because it is well known that one should never use any form of cortizone when

there is an on-going infection in the body because it suppresses the immune

system, I'd be cautious about other forms of adrenal stimulation, including

so-called natural forms of " adrenal support " -- at least until you are much

further along in your therapy, but certainly not during the early months of

therapy. Take it " slow and easy, pleasey " . Remember Aesop's fable about the

tortoise and the hare, and we all know how that race turned out!

For that reason, I'd go with liposomal vit C, but since you are the first person

to experiment with iodine therapy for treating Bart, I think I'd stick with

plain old vanilla Lugol's (or Iodoral) instead of experiment with liposomal

iodine. That motto about " no guts, no glory " shouldn't be carried to an extreme.

You've gotta' survive basic Iodine 101 first, before you do anything as drastic

as starting to experiment with liposomal iodine, IMNOSO. (To decode, insert:

" not so humble " )

There's still one more important thing that I need to warn you about concerning

Bartonella. Bart is a granuloma-forming pathogen, and it is well known that vit

D is contraindicated in granulomatous diseases. The moderators in this forum are

in the habit of encouraging folks to take mega-doses of vit D as adjunctive

therapy for breast cancer, but I must warn you that it would be very unwise for

you to do so in your case, considering that Bart is notorious for infecting the

lymph nodes, where it is capable of forming granulomas.

We can continue this aspect of the discussion in the OT (off topic) forum if you

have concerns about it because it can get a little complicated explaining the

difference in how the two forms of vit D affect the VDR (vitamin D receptor),

which is part of the immune system. There is no need to avoid natural dietary

forums of vit D, but please be aware that taking supplemental vit D could delay

your progress whenever you are fighting a Bartonella infection.

PS - Thanks to Karyn for your lucid explanation (and valuable hyperlink) about

the higher doses of iodine taken by the Nobel Laureate, Dr. Albert Szent Gyorgi.

I couldn't remember how to spell his name, so I was unable to find the info when

I had wanted to tell about this during our previous private communication

-- if it was , that is, because it might have been another different

Bartonella patient with whom I corresponded a couple of weeks ago. I'm

bookmarking that hyperlink right now so that I'll be able to find it again the

next time I need it. Thanks for you help.

> >

> > So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more

detox reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via the

tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.

> >

> > Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want to

work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for

me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more

improbable thing I must try.

> >

> > I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat

infection.

> >

> > I also plan to turn it into " liposomal " lugol's iodine. Liposomes can

really amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes.

> >

> > So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self experimentation.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I certianly will. Actually, what I am planning on doing is making " liposomal "

lugol's iodine and working up high on that dose. Liposomes greatly increase the

effectiveness of many things. At minimum, doing that gives excellent absorption

and reduces stomach irritation. I will let you know how this particular

spelunking goes.

> >

> > So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more

detox reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via

the tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.

> >

> > Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want to

work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for

me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more

improbable thing I must try.

> >

> > I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat infection.

> >

> > I also plan to turn it into " liposomal " lugol's iodine. Liposomes can

really amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes.

> >

> > So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self experimentation.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have tried at least 14 pharma agents for bateria, fungus, virus, parasites.

Then I guess about 100 natural agents. If it is an herbal tincture, I just

drink half the bottle. Very few things have done anything for it.

Those that did were 3 pharma antibiotics. BUT, 24 hours later, all the

improvements vanish! These bugs may be adapting possibly due to biofilm " quorom

sensing " . Bartonella appears to be the most stubborn bug among lyme disease

patients in general.

DAvid

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> > So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more

detox reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via the

tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.

> >

> > Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want to

work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for

me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more

improbable thing I must try.

> >

> > I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat

infection.

> >

> > I also plan to turn it into " liposomal " lugol's iodine. Liposomes can

really amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes.

> >

> > So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self experimentation.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Are you taking stomach acid? If not, that sounds like a good thing to do.

Also, I would suggest trying colloidal silver for the intestinal bugs, like at

least 2 fl. oz a day. (though work up to the dose). If it helps, then to make

it cost effective, one would have to make it themselves with a generator.

ADP oregano, working up to as much as 6, 3 times a day would be an equally

important suggestion in my opinion. It is time released, emulsified oregano

oil.

> >

> > So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more

detox reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via

the tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.

> >

> > Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want to

work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for

me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more

improbable thing I must try.

> >

> > I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat infection.

> >

> > I also plan to turn it into " liposomal " lugol's iodine. Liposomes can

really amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes.

> >

> > So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self experimentation.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think it was me. I came to this forum because I had the idea to do this

in the first place. Unless I heard it from you elsewhere.

I actually have used liposomal vitamin C, up to 20 grams. It has some herx

effect, and is an option I have in my memory. But at present, I don't want to

go that way for several reasons. On a side note, liposomal vitamin C is a

miraculous supplement I think everyone ought to take lifelong.

Regarding vitamin D, I do in fact know all about that! I had the high 1,25

dihydroxy and the low 25 hydroxy. I tried to tell one of my practitioners that

I did not think vitamin D was good for me, but I finally agreed just to please

her. In 2 weeks of taking 40,000 units emulsified vitamin D, by levels shot

from 20 to 102. Plus I got sick sick sick. Since then, sun exposure has made

me much sicker than it used to. Though over time is is coming down. The drug

benicar did in fact help reduce my sensitivity to the sun significantly.

I met another girl online who told me about her vitamin D experience.

Supplements made her way sicker, BUT sun bathing made her way healthier.

The vitamin D produced from sunlight is sulfated and water-soluble. The vitamin

D in supplements is fat soluble. They are simply different.

On with the spelunking,

> > >

> > > So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more

detox reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via the

tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want

to work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for

me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more

improbable thing I must try.

> > >

> > > I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat

infection.

> > >

> > > I also plan to turn it into " liposomal " lugol's iodine. Liposomes can

really amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes.

> > >

> > > So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self

experimentation.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the suggestions . I do actually take a couple of Betaine HCL tablets with my meals now as well. I recently bought colloidal silver but have only been taking two teaspoons a day. I'm not sure how much 2fl oz a day is (I live in the UK - different measurements). But I'll work it out. I also bought oregano oil recently and was going to take a certain amount of drops per day ( think the one i bought was 70% Carvacol) However the one you mentioned (ADP) looks very interesting and it sounds like good logic to have something working constantly throughout the day on killing the bacteria and

yeast. Thanks again From: A <davidraubu@...> iodine Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:34 PM Subject: Re: Iodine max safe dosage

Are you taking stomach acid? If not, that sounds like a good thing to do.

Also, I would suggest trying colloidal silver for the intestinal bugs, like at least 2 fl. oz a day. (though work up to the dose). If it helps, then to make it cost effective, one would have to make it themselves with a generator.

ADP oregano, working up to as much as 6, 3 times a day would be an equally important suggestion in my opinion. It is time released, emulsified oregano oil.

> >

> > So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more detox reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via the tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.

> >

> > Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want to work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more improbable thing I must try.

> >

> > I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat infection.

> >

> > I also plan to turn it into "liposomal" lugol's iodine. Liposomes can really amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes.

> >

> > So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self experimentation.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, one other concern i have with colloidal silver is that it's supposed to kill the good bacteria as well as the bad. Have you read the same? From: A <davidraubu@...> iodine Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:34 PM Subject: Re: Iodine max safe dosage

Are you taking stomach acid? If not, that sounds like a good thing to do.

Also, I would suggest trying colloidal silver for the intestinal bugs, like at least 2 fl. oz a day. (though work up to the dose). If it helps, then to make it cost effective, one would have to make it themselves with a generator.

ADP oregano, working up to as much as 6, 3 times a day would be an equally important suggestion in my opinion. It is time released, emulsified oregano oil.

> >

> > So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more detox reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via the tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.

> >

> > Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want to work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more improbable thing I must try.

> >

> > I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat infection.

> >

> > I also plan to turn it into "liposomal" lugol's iodine. Liposomes can really amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes.

> >

> > So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self experimentation.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Regarding colloidal silver and good bacteria, first I'd have to assume the brand

you bought falls under the category of silver supplements that most people refer

to when they say " colloidal silver " . This would be a clear or slightly

yellow-tinged liquid and have concentrations ranging anywhere from about 5 to

15PPM silver. These are all made by electrolysis. The answer to that question

is slightly different for other types of silver supplements. There are about a

dozen different types.

1. With that type of silver, there are people who get over yeast infections

even without taking probiotic. Don't ask why, just note this as an

observation.

2. On rare occassion, some people have increased yeast problems by taking

colloidal silver without a probiotic, but I have heard maybe 1 or 2 anecdotes of

this even. Had these people taken a probiotic, one doubts they would have had

this issue.

3. The vast majority of people have no issues at all.

That is the actual evidence. In terms of theory that would explain that

evidence:

1. An in vitro study showed that " good " bacteria did in fact have a tendency to

be more resistant to silver than " bad " bacteria. One claim why this is, is that

good bacteria are said to have thicker walls, which are harder to breach even if

damaged. Another explanation is that these cell walls are said to be more

" electrically balanced " , meaning it is harder for a silver ion to find an

electron in can easily rip off of the cell wall as compared to bad bacteria.

2. Whereas antibiotics do not kill yeast and do kill good bacteria, colloidal

silver kills both yeast and bacteria, arguably making its tendency to cause

yeast much less than other antibiotics.

What's it all mean?

It means if you can afford it, why not take a probiotic anyway? =) I like

Swanson 66 billion.

> > >

> > > So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more

detox reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via

the tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want to

work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for

me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more

improbable thing I must try.

> > >

> > > I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat

infection.

> > >

> > > I also plan to turn it into " liposomal " lugol's iodine. Liposomes can

really amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes.

> > >

> > > So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self experimentation.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Has any heard that taking iodine with colloidal silver is risky because of the potential for iodized silver?? ||I hope not as I was hoping to take them together (but at separate times of the day)ThanksRic From: A <davidraubu@...> iodine Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:34 PM Subject: Re: Iodine max safe dosage

Are you taking stomach acid? If not, that sounds like a good thing to do.

Also, I would suggest trying colloidal silver for the intestinal bugs, like at least 2 fl. oz a day. (though work up to the dose). If it helps, then to make it cost effective, one would have to make it themselves with a generator.

ADP oregano, working up to as much as 6, 3 times a day would be an equally important suggestion in my opinion. It is time released, emulsified oregano oil.

> >

> > So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more detox reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via the tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.

> >

> > Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want to work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more improbable thing I must try.

> >

> > I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat infection.

> >

> > I also plan to turn it into "liposomal" lugol's iodine. Liposomes can really amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes.

> >

> > So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self experimentation.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ric,

Re candida, you ask:

I was wondering how long it took before you noticed a difference?

Was it immediate? Or was it after a few weeks?

How many drops did you end up taking?

Did you take vitamin C with it?

The benefit was not immediate, not even a few weeks. I was taking Nystatin when

I started iodine, but worried the candida would come back as soon as I stopped

the Nystatin. With the addition of iodine, the candida stayed gone and I feel

I'm winning the war. This was after 4 months and I was at about 100 mg iodine -

which would be 12 drops of your 7%.

I think you are on the right track using Lugol's for these conditions. Iodine,

diet change for 16 months prior and better probiotics made the difference. I'm

using Mercola's Complete Probiotics. All the other less expensive ones I tried

before seemed to do nothing.

When you're doing a lot of things at once and they finally succeed, you can

never be sure which one made the difference, or maybe all of them worked

together. But I'm convinced the Lugol's was an important addition for

overcoming candida.

I'm taking 5 grams Vit C / day right after the Lugol's to help detox. Some

people think you should'nt take them at the same time, but I have.

After 6 months of titrating slowly, I'm at 225 mg iodine / day.

The " course of Lugol's " used by Dr. Orian Truss to treat candida was 4 to 6

drops Lugol's 5% (or 37.5 mg), 4 times a day for 3 weeks.

http://www.health-science-spirit.com/candida.html

This would be 150 mg iodine / day.

I'm doing more because I have other issues: goiter, nodules, hypothyroid and MS.

Can't hurt to do more, I believe.

I wish you luck in overcoming your health hurdles and as says, let

them become " stepping stones " .

Karyn

> >

> > So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more

detox reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via

the tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.

> >

> > Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want to

work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for

me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more

improbable thing I must try.

> >

> > I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat infection.

> >

> > I also plan to turn it into " liposomal " lugol's iodine. Liposomes can

really amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes.

> >

> > So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self experimentation.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Karyn, Thank for the info. You're definitely right about not knowing in the end what may be working and what's not. I have so many things on the go at once at the moment! I'm just desperate to make an impact of some kind. I'd love to keep it scientific so if I ever did find a cure or make a massive improvement I'd know what it was exactly that made an impact but that's a very slow and patient process and to be honest I don't have that kind of patience anymore....I have followed a protocol similar to yours. I've changed my diet (FODMAPS mixed with Anti Candida) i'm taking sporanox and nystatin antifungal. From what i've read it seems like the average dosage of iodine is anywhere between 100mg to 300mg. But some

people take much more than that...just look at this link that someone provide on this forum: http://iodine4health.com/overviews/clinicians/szentgyorgi_clinician.htm . They were taking 770mgs a day. And as you mentioned Dr Truss was prescribing around 150mgs for 3 weeks.From what I've read though isn't most of the iodine that you don't need secreted out in one's urine? It's a bit like vitamin C and water soluble vitamins like 'B' and 'C'. However, you need to be careful with the fat soluble ones like A, D, E and K.Thanks the guidance. It has given me something to work with. I'm only taking three drops of 7% at the moment. But I've only been taking it for 5 days. I do sometimes take another 3 drops in the evening for good measure. You may want to look

into Colloidal Silver. I plan to take 4 fl oz a day in the evenings keeping it well separated from the iodine. I'm looking into buying a silver generator as it's much cheaper than buying it 300ml bottles. |Oh....and you may also want to look into bentonite clay. I've read that it strips the candida from the cell walls as it passes through.....All the best with your health and for the New Year!|Ric From: Karyn Curtis <kcjlr@...> iodine Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Iodine max safe dosage

Ric,

Re candida, you ask:

I was wondering how long it took before you noticed a difference?

Was it immediate? Or was it after a few weeks?

How many drops did you end up taking?

Did you take vitamin C with it?

The benefit was not immediate, not even a few weeks. I was taking Nystatin when I started iodine, but worried the candida would come back as soon as I stopped the Nystatin. With the addition of iodine, the candida stayed gone and I feel I'm winning the war. This was after 4 months and I was at about 100 mg iodine - which would be 12 drops of your 7%.

I think you are on the right track using Lugol's for these conditions. Iodine, diet change for 16 months prior and better probiotics made the difference. I'm using Mercola's Complete Probiotics. All the other less expensive ones I tried before seemed to do nothing.

When you're doing a lot of things at once and they finally succeed, you can never be sure which one made the difference, or maybe all of them worked together. But I'm convinced the Lugol's was an important addition for overcoming candida.

I'm taking 5 grams Vit C / day right after the Lugol's to help detox. Some people think you should'nt take them at the same time, but I have.

After 6 months of titrating slowly, I'm at 225 mg iodine / day.

The "course of Lugol's" used by Dr. Orian Truss to treat candida was 4 to 6 drops Lugol's 5% (or 37.5 mg), 4 times a day for 3 weeks.

http://www.health-science-spirit.com/candida.html

This would be 150 mg iodine / day.

I'm doing more because I have other issues: goiter, nodules, hypothyroid and MS. Can't hurt to do more, I believe.

I wish you luck in overcoming your health hurdles and as says, let them become "stepping stones".

Karyn

> >

> > So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more detox reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via the tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.

> >

> > Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want to work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more improbable thing I must try.

> >

> > I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat infection.

> >

> > I also plan to turn it into "liposomal" lugol's iodine. Liposomes can really amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes.

> >

> > So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self experimentation.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , thanks for the detailed reply. I appreciate it. Yes, the brand i bought is a crystal clear liquid and is 25 ppm. http://bobbys-healthy-shop.co.uk/show-product-details.php?ID=64I think you are right though about investing in a silver generator. I found a reasonably priced one here: http://www.ecrater.co.uk/p/11942161/colloidal-silver-generator-6-pure-9999-rods .I only include the link in case there is anyone in the UK reading this who

who is either thinking about buying one or currently looking for one. They are pretty simple gadgets and I guess if you're if you're any good at DIY you could make one yourself. I think my plan of action is to eventually build up to a large dose of iodine in the mornings and then in the evenings switch to perhaps 4 fl oz of colloidal silver and during the day supplement with probiotics. |I currently take VSL3 (450 billion per sachet) which is one of the strongest ones on the market. Thanks again for the advice!All the best for 2012!Rich From: A <davidraubu@...> iodine Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 2:07 AM Subject: Re: Iodine max safe dosage

Regarding colloidal silver and good bacteria, first I'd have to assume the brand you bought falls under the category of silver supplements that most people refer to when they say "colloidal silver". This would be a clear or slightly yellow-tinged liquid and have concentrations ranging anywhere from about 5 to 15PPM silver. These are all made by electrolysis. The answer to that question is slightly different for other types of silver supplements. There are about a dozen different types.

1. With that type of silver, there are people who get over yeast infections even without taking probiotic. Don't ask why, just note this as an observation.

2. On rare occassion, some people have increased yeast problems by taking colloidal silver without a probiotic, but I have heard maybe 1 or 2 anecdotes of this even. Had these people taken a probiotic, one doubts they would have had this issue.

3. The vast majority of people have no issues at all.

That is the actual evidence. In terms of theory that would explain that evidence:

1. An in vitro study showed that "good" bacteria did in fact have a tendency to be more resistant to silver than "bad" bacteria. One claim why this is, is that good bacteria are said to have thicker walls, which are harder to breach even if damaged. Another explanation is that these cell walls are said to be more "electrically balanced", meaning it is harder for a silver ion to find an electron in can easily rip off of the cell wall as compared to bad bacteria.

2. Whereas antibiotics do not kill yeast and do kill good bacteria, colloidal silver kills both yeast and bacteria, arguably making its tendency to cause yeast much less than other antibiotics.

What's it all mean?

It means if you can afford it, why not take a probiotic anyway? =) I like Swanson 66 billion.

> > >

> > > So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more detox reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via the tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want to work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more improbable thing I must try.

> > >

> > > I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat infection.

> > >

> > > I also plan to turn it into "liposomal" lugol's iodine. Liposomes can really amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes.

> > >

> > > So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self experimentation.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

FYI, I took 1,000mg of liposomal lugol's iodine today at lunch. Not noticeable

effect.

> > >

> > > So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more

detox reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via

the tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want to

work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for

me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more

improbable thing I must try.

> > >

> > > I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat

infection.

> > >

> > > I also plan to turn it into " liposomal " lugol's iodine. Liposomes can

really amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes.

> > >

> > > So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self experimentation.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have a quick question. If once decides to go higher than the recommended dose, let's say between 500mgs - 1gram daily....would it be better to separate it into two different doses during the day? Perhaps once in the morning and then later in the afternoon. Or is it always recommended to take it one go? Personally I'm not at this stage yet but was just wondering.ThanksRic From: A <davidraubu@...> iodine Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 2:07 AM Subject: Re: Iodine max safe dosage

Regarding colloidal silver and good bacteria, first I'd have to assume the brand you bought falls under the category of silver supplements that most people refer to when they say "colloidal silver". This would be a clear or slightly yellow-tinged liquid and have concentrations ranging anywhere from about 5 to 15PPM silver. These are all made by electrolysis. The answer to that question is slightly different for other types of silver supplements. There are about a dozen different types.

1. With that type of silver, there are people who get over yeast infections even without taking probiotic. Don't ask why, just note this as an observation.

2. On rare occassion, some people have increased yeast problems by taking colloidal silver without a probiotic, but I have heard maybe 1 or 2 anecdotes of this even. Had these people taken a probiotic, one doubts they would have had this issue.

3. The vast majority of people have no issues at all.

That is the actual evidence. In terms of theory that would explain that evidence:

1. An in vitro study showed that "good" bacteria did in fact have a tendency to be more resistant to silver than "bad" bacteria. One claim why this is, is that good bacteria are said to have thicker walls, which are harder to breach even if damaged. Another explanation is that these cell walls are said to be more "electrically balanced", meaning it is harder for a silver ion to find an electron in can easily rip off of the cell wall as compared to bad bacteria.

2. Whereas antibiotics do not kill yeast and do kill good bacteria, colloidal silver kills both yeast and bacteria, arguably making its tendency to cause yeast much less than other antibiotics.

What's it all mean?

It means if you can afford it, why not take a probiotic anyway? =) I like Swanson 66 billion.

> > >

> > > So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more detox reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via the tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want to work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more improbable thing I must try.

> > >

> > > I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat infection.

> > >

> > > I also plan to turn it into "liposomal" lugol's iodine. Liposomes can really amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes.

> > >

> > > So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self experimentation.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ric, why are

you in such a big hurry? I’m not all that smart about this Protocol yet, but I

think you could overwhelm some of the detox pathways and what will that tell

you?  That you need to slow down.

Slow down and

be safe.

Bonnie

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Fisher

Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012

3:05 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re: Iodine

max safe dosage

I have a

quick question.

If once

decides to go higher than the recommended dose, let's say between 500mgs -

1gram daily....would it be better to separate it into two different doses

during the day? Perhaps once in the morning and then later in the afternoon. Or

is it always recommended to take it one go?

Personally

I'm not at this stage yet but was just wondering.

Thanks

Ric

From:

A <davidraubu@...>

iodine

Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011

2:07 AM

Subject: Re: Iodine max

safe dosage

Regarding

colloidal silver and good bacteria, first I'd have to assume the brand you

bought falls under the category of silver supplements that most people refer to

when they say " colloidal silver " . This would be a clear or slightly

yellow-tinged liquid and have concentrations ranging anywhere from about 5 to

15PPM silver. These are all made by electrolysis. The answer to that question

is slightly different for other types of silver supplements. There are about a

dozen different types.

1. With that type of silver, there are people who get over yeast infections

even without taking probiotic. Don't ask why, just note this as an observation.

2. On rare occassion, some people have increased yeast problems by taking

colloidal silver without a probiotic, but I have heard maybe 1 or 2 anecdotes

of this even. Had these people taken a probiotic, one doubts they would have

had this issue.

3. The vast majority of people have no issues at all.

That is the actual evidence. In terms of theory that would explain that

evidence:

1. An in vitro study showed that " good " bacteria did in fact have a

tendency to be more resistant to silver than " bad " bacteria. One

claim why this is, is that good bacteria are said to have thicker walls, which

are harder to breach even if damaged. Another explanation is that these cell

walls are said to be more " electrically balanced " , meaning it is

harder for a silver ion to find an electron in can easily rip off of the cell

wall as compared to bad bacteria.

2. Whereas antibiotics do not kill yeast and do kill good bacteria, colloidal

silver kills both yeast and bacteria, arguably making its tendency to cause

yeast much less than other antibiotics.

What's it all mean?

It means if you can afford it, why not take a probiotic anyway? =) I like

Swanson 66 billion.

> > >

> > > So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral).

No more detox reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it

via the tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely.

I want to work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection

killer for me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is

just one more improbable thing I must try.

> > >

> > > I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat

infection.

> > >

> > > I also plan to turn it into " liposomal " lugol's

iodine. Liposomes can really amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes.

> > >

> > > So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self

experimentation.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Ric,

I hit the wall at 200mg. That's when I got a pretty bad skin rash called

bromoderma. You might have better luck. Just be prepared either to cut back or

make adjustments to the companion nutrients. I understand your need to get into

the higher ranges, the thinking perhaps being why carry around all these toxins

which can cause serious diseases if I can get rid of them quickly by upping the

iodine and some of the companion nutrients. I have come to realize that the

iodine, say at 150mg, is going to put a hold on any diseases that might have

been " in the pipeline " thus giving you time to get the toxic crud out without

any undue Herx reactions.

Anyway, to answer your question about splitting the dosing, I would do two

doses, one with breakfast and one with lunch, along with the splitting too of

the companion supplements. I would add chlorella powder too, in capsules or in a

drink to aid the detox.

Peace and gratitude, Dean

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >

> > > > So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more

detox reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via

the tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want

to work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for

me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more

improbable thing I must try.

> > > >

> > > > I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat

infection.

> > > >

> > > > I also plan to turn it into " liposomal " lugol's iodine. Liposomes can

really amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes.

> > > >

> > > > So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self

experimentation.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have come to realize that the iodine, say at 150mg, is going to put a

hold on any diseases that might have been " in the pipeline " thus giving

you time to get the toxic crud out without any undue Herx reactions.Hi Dean!This sentence that your wrote is very interesting to me. Do you have experience with this, or anyone on the group? I am at high risk for stomach/colon cancers (family) and heart disease from my Father's side, with already having one corrective heart surgery under my belt. I'd like to understand better how this works.

Thank you,TamaraOn Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:54 AM, anon <oceanpine@...> wrote:

 

Ric,

I hit the wall at 200mg. That's when I got a pretty bad skin rash called bromoderma. You might have better luck. Just be prepared either to cut back or make adjustments to the companion nutrients. I understand your need to get into the higher ranges, the thinking perhaps being why carry around all these toxins which can cause serious diseases if I can get rid of them quickly by upping the iodine and some of the companion nutrients. I have come to realize that the iodine, say at 150mg, is going to put a hold on any diseases that might have been " in the pipeline " thus giving you time to get the toxic crud out without any undue Herx reactions.

Anyway, to answer your question about splitting the dosing, I would do two doses, one with breakfast and one with lunch, along with the splitting too of the companion supplements. I would add chlorella powder too, in capsules or in a drink to aid the detox.

Peace and gratitude, Dean

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >

> > > > So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more detox reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via the tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want to work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more improbable thing I must try.

> > > >

> > > > I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat infection.

> > > >

> > > > I also plan to turn it into " liposomal " lugol's iodine. Liposomes can really amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes.

> > > >

> > > > So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self experimentation.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The body requires iodine for the natural process of cells dying off as they are

supposed to, called apoptosis. Ca cells are cells that refuse to die. By

giving the

body iodine, when most are severely deficient, we are facilitating apoptosis.

So in

effect, iodine is part of the body's natural defenses against ca.

--

moderator

> I have come to realize that the iodine, say at 150mg, is going to put

> a hold on any diseases that might have been " in the pipeline " thus

> giving you time to get the toxic crud out without any undue Herx

> reactions.

>

> Hi Dean!

> This sentence that your wrote is very interesting to me. Do you have

> experience with this, or anyone on the group? I am at high risk for

> stomach/colon cancers (family) and heart disease from my Father's

> side, with already having one corrective heart surgery under my belt.

> I'd like to understand better how this works. Thank you, Tamara

>

> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:54 AM, anon <oceanpine@...> wrote:

>

> Ric,

> I hit the wall at 200mg. That's when I got a pretty bad skin rash

> called bromoderma. You might have better luck. Just be prepared either

> to cut back or make adjustments to the companion nutrients. I

> understand your need to get into the higher ranges, the thinking

> perhaps being why carry around all these toxins which can cause

> serious diseases if I can get rid of them quickly by upping the iodine

> and some of the companion nutrients. I have come to realize that the

> iodine, say at 150mg, is going to put a hold on any diseases that

> might have been " in the pipeline " thus giving you time to get the

> toxic crud out without any undue Herx reactions. Anyway, to answer

> your question about splitting the dosing, I would do two doses, one

> with breakfast and one with lunch, along with the splitting too of the

> companion supplements. I would add chlorella powder too, in capsules

> or in a drink to aid the detox. Peace and gratitude, Dean

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> > > > > > > > > So I have worked up to 250mg

> lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more detox reactions. Only took

> a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via the tablets tended to

> give a little more detox reaction than the drops. > > > > > > > >

> Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want

> to work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection

> killer for me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and

> this is just one more improbable thing I must try. > > > > > > > > I

> had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat

> infection. > > > > > > > > I also plan to turn it into " liposomal "

> lugol's iodine. Liposomes can really amp up the effectiveness of

> things sometimes. > > > > > > > > So ya...please help me find some

> safe parameters for self experimentation. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

To detox while taking iodine, your body needs water - if you weigh 200 pounds you should be drinking 100 ounces of water (half your weight in ounces) and for every soft drink or coffee you drink you should be drinking that much more water.

Larry

From: Pine Haven Farm <pinehavenfarm7@...>iodine Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:27 AMSubject: Re: Re: Iodine max safe dosage

I have come to realize that the iodine, say at 150mg, is going to put a hold on any diseases that might have been "in the pipeline" thus giving you time to get the toxic crud out without any undue Herx reactions.Hi Dean!This sentence that your wrote is very interesting to me. Do you have experience with this, or anyone on the group? I am at high risk for stomach/colon cancers (family) and heart disease from my Father's side, with already having one corrective heart surgery under my belt. I'd like to understand better how this works.Thank you,Tamara

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:54 AM, anon <oceanpine@...> wrote:

Ric,I hit the wall at 200mg. That's when I got a pretty bad skin rash called bromoderma. You might have better luck. Just be prepared either to cut back or make adjustments to the companion nutrients. I understand your need to get into the higher ranges, the thinking perhaps being why carry around all these toxins which can cause serious diseases if I can get rid of them quickly by upping the iodine and some of the companion nutrients. I have come to realize that the iodine, say at 150mg, is going to put a hold on any diseases that might have been "in the pipeline" thus giving you time to get the toxic crud out without any undue Herx reactions.Anyway, to answer your question about splitting the dosing, I would do two doses, one with breakfast and one with lunch, along with the splitting too of the companion supplements. I would add chlorella powder too, in capsules or in a drink to aid the detox.Peace and gratitude,

Dean~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> > > >> > > > So I have worked up to 250mg lugol's (also done it by iodoral). No more detox reactions. Only took a few weeks. I seemed to feel that taking it via the tablets tended to give a little more detox reaction than the drops.> > > > > > > > Anyway, I want to know if there is a limit one can take safely. I want to work up to the max max max possible to test iodine as an infection killer for me. I have an unkillable chronic bartonella infection and this is just one more improbable thing I must try. > >

> > > > > > I had read that up to 3000mg SSKI was used historically to treat infection. > > > > > > > > I also plan to turn it into "liposomal" lugol's iodine. Liposomes can really amp up the effectiveness of things sometimes. > > > > > > > > So ya...please help me find some safe parameters for self experimentation.> > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > >> > >> >>