Guest guest Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 The New Member document covers this question. You got a " false normal " result. Because the bromides (that no one can completely avoid) were sitting on your cell receptors and the iodine just washed out. The reason we can be certain of this is because of your symptoms. Just for starters, ANY thyroid disease means the person is iodine deficient. Are you taking all of the companion nutrients? I think that you will respond well to the iodine protocol and that you'll start to see improvement soon. Have heart. -- moderator On 30 Nov 2011 at 16:56, Duttlyn wrote: > A few years ago I had a 24 hour loading test and the results came back > " normal " at 80% excretion. Would there be any way to have a normal > result but still be deficient? The reason I ask is that I have quite a > few issues and I've been searching for a long time to find answers. I > thought iodine would help but when I looked back at my old 24 hour > test, it seems close to normal so maybe it's not the issue? Would > anyone be willing to look at this list and see what they think? > > - a goiter with multiple nodules > - Stave IV endometriosis > - type 2 diabetes > - multiple polyps in intestines > - very low basal temps > - hair loss > - MS-like symptoms (numb and tingling limbs, small tremors, weakness, > painful electrical shock areas) - significant vitamin D deficiency - > severe brain fog - gastroperesis - overwhelming muscle weakness and > overall exhaustion - don't recover from exercise, it wipes me out and > I almost immediately fall asleep after and then I am sore for a week > at least! > > I'm only 37 and I have 3 small kids and It's been terrible. I've had > thyroid tests run by natural doctors (free T3, free T4, etc.) and they > always come back normal yet I have the enlarged thyroid with tumors. > All the other problems seem like they must be related but I don't know > anymore. I was considering a digestive problem leading to > malabsorption although I'm overweight so I'm absorbing something! LOL. > Could possibly celiac be a culprit? I think all these conditions could > be auto-immune related? > > I started 50mg Iodoral a few days ago and it's been OK aside from one > pimple and a bad headache last night. > > Any thoughts would be really appreciated! > > Blessings, > Duttlyn > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Owner: Buist, ND HC > Moderators: Baker, Kathleen Blake, Donna Iler, Linn > > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group > IodineOT/ > > > The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) > iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%2 > 0-%20READ%20FIRST/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 I knew I saw somewhere that it could be a false normal result but I couldn't figure out where! OK, so I will rest easy knowing that if I have a goiter and nodules, I must be iodine deficient and I'll keep moving forward. And yes, I have been taking the companion nutrients. Thanks so much for the response! I will keep the faith that this is going to help me! Blessings, Duttlyn > > > A few years ago I had a 24 hour loading test and the results came back > > " normal " at 80% excretion. Would there be any way to have a normal > > result but still be deficient? The reason I ask is that I have quite a > > few issues and I've been searching for a long time to find answers. I > > thought iodine would help but when I looked back at my old 24 hour > > test, it seems close to normal so maybe it's not the issue? Would > > anyone be willing to look at this list and see what they think? > > > > - a goiter with multiple nodules > > - Stave IV endometriosis > > - type 2 diabetes > > - multiple polyps in intestines > > - very low basal temps > > - hair loss > > - MS-like symptoms (numb and tingling limbs, small tremors, weakness, > > painful electrical shock areas) - significant vitamin D deficiency - > > severe brain fog - gastroperesis - overwhelming muscle weakness and > > overall exhaustion - don't recover from exercise, it wipes me out and > > I almost immediately fall asleep after and then I am sore for a week > > at least! > > > > I'm only 37 and I have 3 small kids and It's been terrible. I've had > > thyroid tests run by natural doctors (free T3, free T4, etc.) and they > > always come back normal yet I have the enlarged thyroid with tumors. > > All the other problems seem like they must be related but I don't know > > anymore. I was considering a digestive problem leading to > > malabsorption although I'm overweight so I'm absorbing something! LOL. > > Could possibly celiac be a culprit? I think all these conditions could > > be auto-immune related? > > > > I started 50mg Iodoral a few days ago and it's been OK aside from one > > pimple and a bad headache last night. > > > > Any thoughts would be really appreciated! > > > > Blessings, > > Duttlyn > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Owner: Buist, ND HC > > Moderators: Baker, Kathleen Blake, Donna Iler, Linn > > > > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group > > IodineOT/ > > > > > > The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) > > iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%2 > > 0-%20READ%20FIRST/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 woops! this got sent the first time with no subject. so sorry!From: Anja Gaines <catdeveer@...>Subject: iodine Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 7:46 AMOH! what challenges you've had in your young life.you CAN test "normal" for iodine and still have insufficient uptake - read the new member's doc about iodine testing.i too have multinodular goiter, ibs, endometriosis, brain fog, etc. i have learned that estrogen dominance (endometriosis) blocks t3 and t4 sensors, so your thyroid, while technically not hypo, will respond as if it were, hence the "normal" test results. 40% of women with endometriosis also have hormone induced digestion issues, as well, such as ibs or gastroparesis. i too am overweight and it's a combination of the estrogen dominance/progesterone insufficiency/poor thyroid hormone utilization, etc. the result is that i'm absorbing the calories and the macronutrients, but not the micronutrients, resulting in a vicious cycle of estrogen increase/progesterone decrease/adrenal fatigue and thyroid hypo symptoms.also, the symptom of hypo and estrogen dominance overlap tremendously - what may be look like endo could be hype and vice versa.i'm currently experimenting with topical bioidentical progesterone and iodoral/iodine protocol. i figure if i can oppose the estrogen with the progesterone and support my thyroid with the iodine protocol and eat the cleanest diet i can eat, maybe i will finally find balance.... if you are interested in knowing more, e-mail me or reply. blessings! anja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Progesterone with iodine is fine. The Breast Cancer Choices group has used topical progesterone with liquid iodine topically on breast nodules to get iodine into the breast. It is working to dissolve them more quickly. Buist, ND HC > iodine > Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 7:46 AM> > OH! what challenges you've had in your young life.> > you CAN test "normal" for iodine and still have insufficient uptake - read the new member's doc about iodine testing.> > i too have multinodular goiter, ibs, endometriosis, brain fog, etc. i have learned that estrogen dominance (endometriosis) blocks t3 and t4 sensors, so your thyroid, while technically not hypo, will respond as if it were, hence the "normal" test results. 40% of women with endometriosis also have hormone induced digestion issues, as well, such as ibs or gastroparesis. i too am overweight and it's a combination of the estrogen dominance/progesterone insufficiency/poor thyroid hormone utilization, etc. the result is that i'm absorbing the calories and the macronutrients, but not the micronutrients, resulting in a vicious cycle of estrogen> increase/progesterone decrease/adrenal fatigue and thyroid hypo symptoms.> > also, the symptom of hypo and estrogen dominance overlap tremendously - what may be look like endo could be hype and vice versa.> > i'm currently experimenting with topical bioidentical progesterone and iodoral/iodine protocol. i figure if i can oppose the estrogen with the progesterone and support my thyroid with the iodine protocol and eat the cleanest diet i can eat, maybe i will finally find balance.... if you are interested in knowing more, e-mail me or reply. blessings! anja> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Oh, that's great to know. Thanks!!! > > Progesterone with iodine is fine. The Breast Cancer Choices group has used topical progesterone with liquid iodine topically on breast nodules to get iodine into the breast. It is working to dissolve them more quickly. > > Buist, ND HC > > > > > iodine > > Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 7:46 AM > > > > OH! what challenges you've had in your young life. > > > > you CAN test " normal " for iodine and still have insufficient uptake - read the new member's doc about iodine testing. > > > > i too have multinodular goiter, ibs, endometriosis, brain fog, etc. i have learned that estrogen dominance (endometriosis) blocks t3 and t4 sensors, so your thyroid, while technically not hypo, will respond as if it were, hence the " normal " test results. 40% of women with endometriosis also have hormone induced digestion issues, as well, such as ibs or gastroparesis. i too am overweight and it's a combination of the estrogen dominance/progesterone insufficiency/poor thyroid hormone utilization, etc. the result is that i'm absorbing the calories and the macronutrients, but not the micronutrients, resulting in a vicious cycle of estrogen > > increase/progesterone decrease/adrenal fatigue and thyroid hypo symptoms. > > > > also, the symptom of hypo and estrogen dominance overlap tremendously - what may be look like endo could be hype and vice versa. > > > > i'm currently experimenting with topical bioidentical progesterone and iodoral/iodine protocol. i figure if i can oppose the estrogen with the progesterone and support my thyroid with the iodine protocol and eat the cleanest diet i can eat, maybe i will finally find balance.... if you are interested in knowing more, e-mail me or reply. blessings! anja > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Hi,I would say if it is auto-immune, one other thing to consider is Low Dose Naltrexone. I am going to copy and paste some info below for you. I put it in different forums that could benefit from this wonderful treatment. Along with Iodine, it has saved my life. I will support forever because of how she has helped me and so many other people in our journey to health. We are so fortunate to have this forum. Glowing,grace~ Have you heard of Low Dose Naltrexone otherwise known as LDN? When used in low doses, (3.0-4.5 mg per day) it has wonderful, life changing effects with illnesses such as Crohn’s Disease, prostate cancer and multiple sclerosis, along with many other immune system disorders. One lady reported treating her Crohn’s disease with LDN. She claims to the LDN has helped reduce her symptoms significantly. One of the guys on the list has both MS and prostate cancer and he swears by this med. I’ve heard people with MS talk about leaving canes, braces, and even wheelchairs by the wayside after starting treatment with Low Dose Naltrexone. It’s cheap, easy to take (it’s a compounded pill or you can dissolve a 50 mg pill in 50 ml of distilled water and take what you need each nite, letting you work up to the best dose for you) and effective against all sorts of auto immune disorders. If I understand correctly, it works by encouraging the body to release more of the endorphins that our immune system seems to lack. It’s taken once a day, before bed. It is an immune system modulator, helping the immune system to function at its best. Amazingly, it helps 85% of people with MS stop the progression of their disease. You still have some who aren’t helped, but just think of all the people who wouldn’t have to take those life shortening MS drugs who could have a better life! Check out more info at LDNInfo.org or on Facebook at Got Endorphins. Lots of info and personal testimonies. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/09/19/one-of-the-rare-drugs-that-actually-helps-your-body-to-heal-itself.aspx?e_cid=20110919_DNL_art_3 I used www.AllDayChemist.com in India to get my Naltrexone. You don’t need an Rx with ADC. It is called Revia and comes in 50 mg tablets, in a 10 pack. There is a standard $25.00 shipping charge on all orders. If you are going to order for several people, do it all at once and split the shipping charge. I ordered $400+ last time and it was still only $25.00. I recommend them highly. Just don't use Titan Money. In fact, if you send ADC a check, I think you get a discount. Wishing you the best! Oh, it does sometimes take 3-4 weeks to get, so don't be surprised if it takes a while. However, my last order came in less than 2 weeks. LDN is the BEST investment I have ever made in my health. You might also look at adrenal issues. I use Adrenal Rebuilder by Dr. , who wrote the book about Adrenal Fatigue – 21st Century Stress Problem. You also need to take unrefined salt. I just heard about the salt part. Started taking one tablespoon of Himalayan salt and it really helped. Then, I got a new brand and it was too salty. So am now using the Himalayan Stones and keeping them in pure water. I take one tsp. each morning on an empty stomach. I support people getting tested for the adrenals. I don't worry about testing for the Iodine because what I don't need leaves the body. However, adrenals are another story altogether. And I think it is important to be tested for those before you start using them. , recommends Biotics Research Cytozyme AD. It is cheaper, but I haven't tried it. For now, I am going to stick with 's since it is raising my temps and helping me feel better. Slow process! This is the best general article I have seen on LDN. This is the link. But I copied and pasted it for your review. http://www.drwhitaker.com/legacy/issues/pwp_nc/scntr_LDN_0309.htmlHere is a copy in case the link does not work: Comments in Italics are my personal comments.Immune Enhancement LDN: A Lifesaving DrugIn October 2005, Dee Alejo was diagnosed with advanced cervical cancer. She had surgery, followed by chemotherapy and radiation, but the cancer had metastasized to her lungs. In February 2007, she was told she had four to nine months to live. When she contacted a friend to relay the bad news, her friend told her about an inexpensive, non-toxic drug that was being used to successfully treat cancer.Dee was anxious to give it a try, but she couldn't find a doctor who would prescribe it. Desperate, Dee tracked down the physician who discovered this therapy, got a prescription, and began taking it. Today, nearly two years later, Dee is back at work and glowing with health. Although she still has evidence of tumors in her lungs, they appear to be calcifying rather than growing, and she has virtually no symptoms.Twelve years ago, Vicki Finlayson developed numbness and tingling in her arms and legs. After two years, many tests, and unrelenting pain and fatigue, as well as speech, memory, and balance problems, she was diagnosed with a severe form of multiple sclerosis (MS). For the next eight years, Vicki spent most of her time on the couch or in bed, "depressed and hating life." She tried one drug after another, from weekly injections and steroid infusions to a lengthy list of narcotics and other medications. Nothing provided much relief, and side effects landed her in the hospital.In 2005, Vicki's husband heard about an inexpensive, nontoxic drug that was helping people with MS. Although she was skeptical, Vicki convinced her doctor to write a prescription. Just two days after she started taking it, her pain began to subside and her energy returned, and within six months, all of her symptoms were gone. Today, Vicki takes no other medications, and she's back to playing golf.The drug that produced such miraculous results for Dee, Vicki, and tens of thousands of others is low-dose Naltrexone (LDN).LDN is a major breakthrough, but like other innovative therapies, it's virtually ignored by conventional physicians. It's the same old song and dance: "If it were any good, I'd know about it." Yet this safe, economical drug stands to benefit millions—not only those with cancer and MS, but also people dealing with autism, Parkinson's, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, and other autoimmune diseases.All About Endorphins If you ask your doctor about Naltrexone, he'll probably tell you it's for treating addiction, and he's right. Naltrexone was approved more than 20 years ago for facilitating heroin withdrawal, and it's now used for alcoholism as well. So how does such a drug help patients with cancer, MS, and other diseases? It's all about endorphins.Endorphins were discovered in the 1970s after scientists found that morphine, heroin, and other opiates relieved pain and enhanced mood by binding to opioid receptors in the brain. They concluded there must be natural compounds that also latch on to these receptors, and they went on to identify peptides that have effects similar to opiate drugs. They named these peptides endorphins, from the words endogenous (meaning made in the body) and morphine.The best known endorphin is beta-endorphin, which is produced in response to physical exercise. Beta-endorphin is believed to be responsible for the "runner's high" experienced during and after a long run. However, it's just one of a number of endorphins that are made in the brain and adrenal glands, and they do far more than increase pain tolerance and sense of well-being.A Momentous Discovery In the 1980s, it was noted that Naltrexone boosts endorphin levels. Based on this knowledge, New York City physician Bernard Bihari, MD, and colleagues hypothesized that patients with AIDS, who have significant reductions in levels of circulating endorphins, could benefit from low doses of this drug. So they conducted a study in which AIDS patients took 1.75 to 4.5 mg of Naltrexone at bedtime.The results were incredible. The endorphin levels of these patients soared, and they not only felt better, but their viral counts went down, they gained weight, and their health improved dramatically. The effects were so remarkable that Dr. Bihari began using LDN not only for AIDS but also for other diseases marked by immune system dysfunction. To his delight, the results were equally positive.Dr. Bihari had stumbled upon a momentous discovery: Endorphins play a central role in immune function, and LDN enhances the immune response by stimulating endorphin production.LDN Boosts Immune Function It would be several years before the mechanisms were understood, but we now know that when LDN is taken at bedtime, it binds to opioid receptors and temporarily blocks endorphins from attaching. This action signals the body to increase endorphin production, an effect that can last as long as 18 hours.Opioid receptors aren't exclusive to the brain. They're also present on all types of immune cells, including macrophages, natural killer cells, T- and B-cells, and even stem cells. As a result, the flood of endorphins set into motion by LDN stimulates the immune system and enhances the body's ability to fight disease.The benefits of this remarkable drug have been proven in a number of scientific studies, several of which were presented at the Fourth Annual LDN Conference held in 2008 on the campus of the University of Southern California School of Medicine.Cancer, Autoimmune Diseases… Burton Berkson, MD, discussed the use of LDN for cancer. He gave an update on a case he published two years ago involving a patient with metastatic pancreatic cancer who was treated with LDN and intravenous alpha lipoic acid after failing a course of chemo. The patient continues to do well eight years after his "terminal" diagnosis. Dr. Berkson and others also reported on patients who have successfully used LDN for cancers of the liver, breast, ovary, prostate, lung, and colon, as well as lymphoma and melanoma.The benefits of LDN for patients with multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, and other autoimmune disorders were addressed as well. ish physician Tom Gilhooly, MD, focused on MS (Scotland has the world's highest rate of the disease) and the excellent outcomes of patients treated with LDN. Dr. Gilhooly is currently involved in a clinical trial on the urological effects of LDN in patients with multiple sclerosis.Skip Lenz, PharmD, also talked about LDN's therapeutic effects on MS. He conducted an informal survey of 185 people, most of them with MS, who were taking LDN and found that 56 percent had improvements in symptoms, and 32 percent held steady—amazing results considering the progressive nature of MS and the toxicity of conventional treatments.…Autism, and More Jacquelyn McCandless, MD, discussed her experience with LDN and children who have autism, which now affects one in 150 American kids. Autism is marked by immune dysfunction and is considered by many to be an autoimmune disorder potentially brought on by the excessive use of vaccinations. Dr. McCandless stated that the majority of these kids become more social and exhibit better eye contact and more interaction with others after they start taking LDN. Their sleep is also improved, and they get fewer colds and other infections. Gluck, MD, who chaired the conference and, aside from Dr. Bihari, has done more than anyone to advance the use of LDN, gave an overview of other new research. Highlights included a 2007 study showing that 89 percent of patients with Crohn's disease had symptomatic improvement with LDN, and a 2008 Italian study demonstrating that LDN stopped progression in all but one of 40 patients with an aggressive type of MS. He also reported on continuing research into LDN's effects on inflammatory bowel disease, fibromyalgia, and MS.Truth be told, we have barely scratched the surface when it comes to the therapeutic potential of this drug. Patients and physicians—including those at Whitaker Wellness—get consistently good results with LDN. In addition to the conditions discussed above, it's also helpful for allergies, Parkinson's disease, chronic fatigue syndrome, leaky gut and other gastrointestinal problems, corneal ulcers, and overall immune support. And Dr. McCandless calls LDN "the best anti-aging medicine going."Ignored by Conventional Doctors So we're back to the same old question: Why don't conventional physicians prescribe LDN? First, they don't know about it. Doctors get most of their information from pharmaceutical reps and medical journals, which are essentially drug ads cloaked in the mantle of science. Because Naltrexone's patent expired years ago, no drug company will ever research or promote LDN. Furthermore, LDN is inexpensive (about $30 for a month's supply), so there's no profit motive. Plus, it would compete with newer, far more expensive drugs. Many patients with serious chronic disease spend hundreds or thousands of dollars a month on medications, and some cancer drugs cost more than $100,000 a year! No profit-motivated company is going to derail that gravy train. Comment from grace - (I order mine from www.AllDayChemist.com in India because I couldn’t get 5 physicians, even after they saw the awesome results, to Rx it for me. No Rx is needed there. And they are wonderful people!) Second, Naltrexone has been approved by the FDA only for opiate and alcohol dependence. And although the "off-label use" of a drug—prescribing it to treat conditions other than those for which it's approved—is perfectly legal, many doctors are too timid to do it.Finally, most physicians are unwilling to think outside the box. If a patient asks me about a therapy and I'm unfamiliar with it, I'll check it out and, as long as it's safe and makes sense, I'll help the patient give it a try. There's a wealth of data on LDN on the Internet—just Google LDN and see for yourself. Unfortunately, most physicians are so stuck in their biases that they prefer to just say no.Patients Are Spreading the Word Physicians may not be embracing LDN, but patients certainly are. Vicki, the woman who was nearly crippled with MS, walked 53 miles from her home to the California state capitol building in Sacramento to talk with Governor Schwarzenegger's staff about raising awareness of LDN. Dee, the "terminal" cancer patient, has created a Web site to get the word out (ldn4cancer.com).A couple of patients have written books on LDN and more will soon be released. Still others, realizing that well-organized studies are the only way to get the attention of the scientific community, are raising money or using their own resources to fund research (although the current science is more than adequate).I wish them luck, and I'll do everything I can to help, but I'm not optimistic. This reminds me of the Dilantin saga. Jack Dreyfus has spent $80 million of his personal fortune trying to get doctors to recognize the extremely beneficial off-label uses of this safe, inexpensive, low-dose drug for treating anxiety and depression. Forty years later, it's still ignored. Meanwhile, the pharmaceutical companies have made billions of dollars on antidepressants that are not only dangerous, but mind-numbing as well.If you are suffering with any of the conditions discussed in this article, LDN certainly merits a therapeutic trial. Talk to your doctor, present the research and sources of additional information, and if he/she isn't open to prescribing LDN, then find a new physician.Recommendations:LDN requires a prescription (although you can get it at All Day Chemist without one if you can’t find a supportive physician) and is obtained through compounding pharmacies. (Regular pharmacies typically carry only 50 mg capsules.) Good ones include Skip's Pharmacy, (800) 553-7429, Wellness Pharmacy, (800) 227-2627, and McGuff Pharmacy, (877) 444-1133. The optimal dose of LDN is 4.5 mg at bedtime. Some people have vivid dreams when they first begin using LDN. If this is an issue for you, start with 1.5–3 mg and build up over two months. Do not take LDN if you use narcotic drugs—it blocks their effects and causes withdrawal symptoms. LDN may be started only after narcotics are completely out of your system, typically 1-2 weeks is recommended. We routinely prescribe LDN at the Whitaker Wellness Institute. To see a physician here, call (800) 488-1500. To learn more, visit Dr. Gluck's Web site, www.LowDoseNaltrexone.org and search the Internet for LDN.Reference: A Revolution in Research: The Fourth Annual Low-Dose Naltrexone Conference. October 11, 2008. http:LDN-for-Cancer.com updated version now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I've gone to their website and looked and looked, but I cannot find information about the topical use of progesterone and iodine together. Could you please help me locate this information? Thanks, Debbie On 12/1/2011 6:10 PM, ladybugsandbees wrote: Progesterone with iodine is fine. The Breast Cancer Choices group has used topical progesterone with liquid iodine topically on breast nodules to get iodine into the breast. It is working to dissolve them more quickly. Buist, ND HC > iodine > Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 7:46 AM > > OH! what challenges you've had in your young life. > > you CAN test "normal" for iodine and still have insufficient uptake - read the new member's doc about iodine testing. > > i too have multinodular goiter, ibs, endometriosis, brain fog, etc. i have learned that estrogen dominance (endometriosis) blocks t3 and t4 sensors, so your thyroid, while technically not hypo, will respond as if it were, hence the "normal" test results. 40% of women with endometriosis also have hormone induced digestion issues, as well, such as ibs or gastroparesis. i too am overweight and it's a combination of the estrogen dominance/progesterone insufficiency/poor thyroid hormone utilization, etc. the result is that i'm absorbing the calories and the macronutrients, but not the micronutrients, resulting in a vicious cycle of estrogen > increase/progesterone decrease/adrenal fatigue and thyroid hypo symptoms. > > also, the symptom of hypo and estrogen dominance overlap tremendously - what may be look like endo could be hype and vice versa. > > i'm currently experimenting with topical bioidentical progesterone and iodoral/iodine protocol. i figure if i can oppose the estrogen with the progesterone and support my thyroid with the iodine protocol and eat the cleanest diet i can eat, maybe i will finally find balance.... if you are interested in knowing more, e-mail me or reply. blessings! anja > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 You won't find it on the website. It's has been discussed / tried on their support group. I don't know how to join that group or where that info is. Maybe someone else knows here. Lynne Farrow (owner) and I are friends and she and I have discussed this method in private e-mails that is how I know about it. Buist, ND HC > iodine > Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 7:46 AM> > OH! what challenges you've had in your young life.> > you CAN test "normal" for iodine and still have insufficient uptake - read the new member's doc about iodine testing.> > i too have multinodular goiter, ibs, endometriosis, brain fog, etc. i have learned that estrogen dominance (endometriosis) blocks t3 and t4 sensors, so your thyroid, while technically not hypo, will respond as if it were, hence the "normal" test results. 40% of women with endometriosis also have hormone induced digestion issues, as well, such as ibs or gastroparesis. i too am overweight and it's a combination of the estrogen dominance/progesterone insufficiency/poor thyroid hormone utilization, etc. the result is that i'm absorbing the calories and the macronutrients, but not the micronutrients, resulting in a vicious cycle of estrogen> increase/progesterone decrease/adrenal fatigue and thyroid hypo symptoms.> > also, the symptom of hypo and estrogen dominance overlap tremendously - what may be look like endo could be hype and vice versa.> > i'm currently experimenting with topical bioidentical progesterone and iodoral/iodine protocol. i figure if i can oppose the estrogen with the progesterone and support my thyroid with the iodine protocol and eat the cleanest diet i can eat, maybe i will finally find balance.... if you are interested in knowing more, e-mail me or reply. blessings! anja> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Good morning, Duttlyn! i'm thinking with 3 children, time for research is limited. i'm grateful that you got some encouragement from the information i shared. that is good. i started taking iodine after much back and forth consideration about 1 month ago, about the same time i decided to also add the progesterone cream (which i did add on day 12 - BEFORE ovulation - of my cycle as per dr john lee in " what your doctor may not tell you about menopause " or something like that). i started taking iodine (with all the supporting nutrients which i had been taking anyway) with 12.5 mgs for about a week and added 12.5 mgs every week until today, i took 50 mgs. i am the " breadwinner " in my home, so cannot afford to have a big detox reaction. i'm planning on holding at 50 mg for the forseeable future since i'm not technically hypo and - as far as i know - i have no other conditions at this time which would mandate a larger dose. i'd rather detox slowly while the progesterone builds back to a relatively " normal " level than put myself out of commission with unbearable symptoms. i know for both the iodine and progesterone, it may well take several months to fully realize the benefits of both. i did not get to this place overnight, so i don't expect a miracle. i will, however, take a miracle. i can tell you that normally the third week of my cycle (which would have been last week starting weds) is a living hell with endo and ibs ganging up for a one-two punch and giving me pains akin to end stage labor pains for 45 to 60 minutes at a time 3 to 5 times daily, usually at night. so far....nothing. nada. zip. zilch. and the only thing that's different is iodine protocol plus progesterone. i keep waking up every morning thanking the Lord for another pain free night....we shall see what we shall see. i don't yet quite dare hope that it's gone. finally. i personally do not know of any physicians who can help me. i have limited funds for those things - i can either buy progesterone and iodine, or go the dr for testing and guidance, but not both. for the record, i do not necessarily agree with everything that dr lee says in the book, but it's good basic guidance for someone just starting research about progesterone and cleaning up our diet, and his information about progesterone and the how and why i think is right on. ignore what he says about iodine. it's just plain wrong. i don't know about iodine and discontinuing meds - i've never taken thyroid meds so have never researched that. as for not doing progesterone and iodine together....i'm thinking whoever might have said that doesn't know what they're talking about. i see no reason to - they both contribute to hormonal and adrenal health, which all ties into they symptoms we both experience with our issues. here's to your health! anything new shakes, i'll certainly let you know. please also let me know if you decide to do both iodine and progesterone and how your progress. sounds like we have some very similar challenges. blessings! anja > > > > Wow. I used to be really " up on the latest research " but since have 3 babies in a row, I've definitely fallen off. I had NO IDEA that endo/estrogen dominance would block T3 and T4. That is one of the most satisfying pieces of info I've gotten in soooo long. I had asked my doc once if, just like there is insulin resistance, could there be thyroid resistance and he said it's debatable but unlikely. Well, that sounds EXACTLY like what's going on! I could feel something wrong with my thyroid, my basal temps are in the tank, and I have exhaustion/fatigue, hair loss, dry skin, etc. All the usual thyroid stuff but my testing is ALWAYS normal which made me feel like a crazy person. Are there any physicians you know of who acknowledge this idiosyncrasy and treat the thyroid even with normal levels? And, does iodine heal the thyroid enough to discontinue medications for those who currently need them? > > I do use a progesterone cream after ovulation but I didn't last month and I thought I read somewhere not to use progesterone at the same time as iodine. I may be wrong there... if it's OK, it would probably be a good supportive measure! > > Thank you so much for posting! I would love to follow your progress. Have you been taking iodine long? > > Blessings, > Duttlyn > > > > > > From: Anja Gaines <catdeveer@> > > Subject: > > iodine > > Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 7:46 AM > > > > OH! what challenges you've had in your young life. > > > > you CAN test " normal " for iodine and still have insufficient uptake - read the new member's doc about iodine testing. > > > > i too have multinodular goiter, ibs, endometriosis, brain fog, etc. i have learned that estrogen dominance (endometriosis) blocks t3 and t4 sensors, so your thyroid, while technically not hypo, will respond as if it were, hence the " normal " test results. 40% of women with endometriosis also have hormone induced digestion issues, as well, such as ibs or gastroparesis. i too am overweight and it's a combination of the estrogen dominance/progesterone insufficiency/poor thyroid hormone utilization, etc. the result is that i'm absorbing the calories and the macronutrients, but not the micronutrients, resulting in a vicious cycle of estrogen > > increase/progesterone decrease/adrenal fatigue and thyroid hypo symptoms. > > > > also, the symptom of hypo and estrogen dominance overlap tremendously - what may be look like endo could be hype and vice versa. > > > > i'm currently experimenting with topical bioidentical progesterone and iodoral/iodine protocol. i figure if i can oppose the estrogen with the progesterone and support my thyroid with the iodine protocol and eat the cleanest diet i can eat, maybe i will finally find balance.... if you are interested in knowing more, e-mail me or reply. blessings! anja > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 grace, I started on LDN about five days ago. Just taking about 1mg a day. I could feel the effect after the first night: more calmness. Also my iodine induced bromine rash (bromoderma) is going away. Naltrexone is very cheap when using it in low doses. My sleep has always been good but LDN has made it a lot deeper. I take it about 30 minutes before bed, just ten drops. Mainly I am taking it for its antiaging effects. My wife gets about six drops and she too is sleeping more deeply. Her mood seems a lot better too. Iodine and LDN seem to be a very health enhancing combo. Wow! Peace and gratitude, Dean > > Hi, > > I would say if it is auto-immune, one other thing to consider is Low Dose > Naltrexone. I am going to copy and paste some info below for you. I put > it in different forums that could benefit from this wonderful treatment. > Along with Iodine, it has saved my life. I will support forever > because of how she has helped me and so many other people in our journey to > health. We are so fortunate to have this forum. > > Glowing, > > grace~ > > Have you heard of Low Dose Naltrexone otherwise known as LDN? When used > in low doses, (3.0-4.5 mg per day) it has wonderful, life changing effects > with illnesses such as Crohn’s Disease, prostate cancer and multiple > sclerosis, along with many other immune system disorders. > One lady reported treating her Crohn’s disease with LDN. She claims to the > LDN has helped reduce her symptoms significantly. One of the guys on the > list has both MS and prostate cancer and he swears by this med. I’ve heard > people with MS talk about leaving canes, braces, and even wheelchairs by the > wayside after starting treatment with Low Dose Naltrexone. > It’s cheap, easy to take (it’s a compounded pill or you can dissolve a 50 > mg pill in 50 ml of distilled water and take what you need each nite, > letting you work up to the best dose for you) and effective against all sorts > of auto immune disorders. If I understand correctly, it works by encouraging > the body to release more of the endorphins that our immune system seems to > lack. It’s taken once a day, before bed. It is an immune system modulator, > helping the immune system to function at its best. > Amazingly, it helps 85% of people with MS stop the progression of their > disease. You still have some who aren’t helped, but just think of all the > people who wouldn’t have to take those life shortening MS drugs who could have > a better life! > Check out more info at LDNInfo.org or on Facebook at Got Endorphins. Lots > of info and personal testimonies. > _http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/09/19/one-of-the-ra > re-drugs-that-actually-helps-your-body-to-heal-itself.aspx?e_cid=20110919_DN > L_art_3_ > (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/09/19/one-of-the-rare-d\ rugs-that-actually-helps-your-body-to-heal-itself.aspx?e_cid=20 > 110919_DNL_art_3) > I used _www.AllDayChemist.com_ (http://www.alldaychemist.com/) in India to > get my Naltrexone. You don’t need an Rx with ADC. It is called Revia and > comes in 50 mg tablets, in a 10 pack. There is a standard $25.00 shipping > charge on all orders. If you are going to order for several people, do it > all at once and split the shipping charge. I ordered $400+ last time and it > was still only $25.00. I recommend them highly. Just don't use Titan > Money. In fact, if you send ADC a check, I think you get a discount. > Wishing you the best! Oh, it does sometimes take 3-4 weeks to get, so > don't be surprised if it takes a while. However, my last order came in less > than 2 weeks. LDN is the BEST investment I have ever made in my health. > You might also look at adrenal issues. I use Adrenal Rebuilder by Dr. > , who wrote the book about Adrenal Fatigue †" 21st Century Stress > Problem. You also need to take unrefined salt. I just heard about the salt part. > Started taking one tablespoon of Himalayan salt and it really helped. Then, > I got a new brand and it was too salty. So am now using the Himalayan > Stones and keeping them in pure water. I take one tsp. each morning on an > empty stomach. I support people getting tested for the adrenals. I don't worry > about testing for the Iodine because what I don't need leaves the body. > However, adrenals are another story altogether. And I think it is important > to be tested for those before you start using them. > , recommends Biotics Research Cytozyme AD. It is cheaper, but I > haven't tried it. For now, I am going to stick with 's since it is > raising my temps and helping me feel better. Slow process! > This is the best general article I have seen on LDN. This is the link. But > I copied and pasted it for your review. > _http://www.drwhitaker.com/legacy/issues/pwp_nc/scntr_LDN_0309.html_ > (http://www.drwhitaker.com/legacy/issues/pwp_nc/scntr_LDN_0309.html) > > Here is a copy in case the link does not work: Comments in Italics are my > personal comments. > > Immune Enhancement LDN: A Lifesaving Drug > > In October 2005, Dee Alejo was diagnosed with advanced cervical cancer. > She had surgery, followed by chemotherapy and radiation, but the cancer had > metastasized to her lungs. In February 2007, she was told she had four to > nine months to live. When she contacted a friend to relay the bad news, her > friend told her about an inexpensive, non-toxic drug that was being used to > successfully treat cancer. > > Dee was anxious to give it a try, but she couldn't find a doctor who would > prescribe it. Desperate, Dee tracked down the physician who discovered > this therapy, got a prescription, and began taking it. Today, nearly two years > later, Dee is back at work and glowing with health. Although she still has > evidence of tumors in her lungs, they appear to be calcifying rather than > growing, and she has virtually no symptoms. > > Twelve years ago, Vicki Finlayson developed numbness and tingling in her > arms and legs. After two years, many tests, and unrelenting pain and > fatigue, as well as speech, memory, and balance problems, she was diagnosed with a > severe form of multiple sclerosis (MS). For the next eight years, Vicki > spent most of her time on the couch or in bed, " depressed and hating life. " > She tried one drug after another, from weekly injections and steroid > infusions to a lengthy list of narcotics and other medications. Nothing provided > much relief, and side effects landed her in the hospital. > > In 2005, Vicki's husband heard about an inexpensive, nontoxic drug that > was helping people with MS. Although she was skeptical, Vicki convinced her > doctor to write a prescription. Just two days after she started taking it, > her pain began to subside and her energy returned, and within six months, > all of her symptoms were gone. Today, Vicki takes no other medications, and > she's back to playing golf. > > The drug that produced such miraculous results for Dee, Vicki, and tens of > thousands of others is low-dose Naltrexone (LDN). > > LDN is a major breakthrough, but like other innovative therapies, it's > virtually ignored by conventional physicians. It's the same old song and > dance: " If it were any good, I'd know about it. " Yet this safe, economical drug > stands to benefit millions†" not only those with cancer and MS, but also > people dealing with autism, Parkinson's, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, > and other autoimmune diseases. > > All About Endorphins > If you ask your doctor about Naltrexone, he'll probably tell you it's for > treating addiction, and he's right. Naltrexone was approved more than 20 > years ago for facilitating heroin withdrawal, and it's now used for > alcoholism as well. So how does such a drug help patients with cancer, MS, and other > diseases? It's all about endorphins. > > Endorphins were discovered in the 1970s after scientists found that > morphine, heroin, and other opiates relieved pain and enhanced mood by binding to > opioid receptors in the brain. They concluded there must be natural > compounds that also latch on to these receptors, and they went on to identify > peptides that have effects similar to opiate drugs. They named these peptides > endorphins, from the words endogenous (meaning made in the body) and > morphine. > > The best known endorphin is beta-endorphin, which is produced in response > to physical exercise. Beta-endorphin is believed to be responsible for the > " runner's high " experienced during and after a long run. However, it's just > one of a number of endorphins that are made in the brain and adrenal > glands, and they do far more than increase pain tolerance and sense of > well-being. > > A Momentous Discovery > In the 1980s, it was noted that Naltrexone boosts endorphin levels. Based > on this knowledge, New York City physician Bernard Bihari, MD, and > colleagues hypothesized that patients with AIDS, who have significant reductions in > levels of circulating endorphins, could benefit from low doses of this > drug. So they conducted a study in which AIDS patients took 1.75 to 4.5 mg of > Naltrexone at bedtime. > > The results were incredible. The endorphin levels of these patients > soared, and they not only felt better, but their viral counts went down, they > gained weight, and their health improved dramatically. The effects were so > remarkable that Dr. Bihari began using LDN not only for AIDS but also for > other diseases marked by immune system dysfunction. To his delight, the results > were equally positive. > > Dr. Bihari had stumbled upon a momentous discovery: Endorphins play a > central role in immune function, and LDN enhances the immune response by > stimulating endorphin production. > > LDN Boosts Immune Function > It would be several years before the mechanisms were understood, but we > now know that when LDN is taken at bedtime, it binds to opioid receptors and > temporarily blocks endorphins from attaching. This action signals the body > to increase endorphin production, an effect that can last as long as 18 > hours. > > Opioid receptors aren't exclusive to the brain. They're also present on > all types of immune cells, including macrophages, natural killer cells, T- > and B-cells, and even stem cells. As a result, the flood of endorphins set > into motion by LDN stimulates the immune system and enhances the body's > ability to fight disease. > > The benefits of this remarkable drug have been proven in a number of > scientific studies, several of which were presented at the Fourth Annual LDN > Conference held in 2008 on the campus of the University of Southern California > School of Medicine. > > Cancer, Autoimmune Diseases… > Burton Berkson, MD, discussed the use of LDN for cancer. He gave an update > on a case he published two years ago involving a patient with metastatic > pancreatic cancer who was treated with LDN and intravenous alpha lipoic acid > after failing a course of chemo. The patient continues to do well eight > years after his " terminal " diagnosis. Dr. Berkson and others also reported on > patients who have successfully used LDN for cancers of the liver, breast, > ovary, prostate, lung, and colon, as well as lymphoma and melanoma. > > The benefits of LDN for patients with multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid > arthritis, lupus, and other autoimmune disorders were addressed as well. > ish physician Tom Gilhooly, MD, focused on MS (Scotland has the world's > highest rate of the disease) and the excellent outcomes of patients treated with > LDN. Dr. Gilhooly is currently involved in a clinical trial on the > urological effects of LDN in patients with multiple sclerosis. > > Skip Lenz, PharmD, also talked about LDN's therapeutic effects on MS. He > conducted an informal survey of 185 people, most of them with MS, who were > taking LDN and found that 56 percent had improvements in symptoms, and 32 > percent held steady†" amazing results considering the progressive nature of MS > and the toxicity of conventional treatments. > > …Autism, and More > Jacquelyn McCandless, MD, discussed her experience with LDN and children > who have autism, which now affects one in 150 American kids. Autism is > marked by immune dysfunction and is considered by many to be an autoimmune > disorder potentially brought on by the excessive use of vaccinations. Dr. > McCandless stated that the majority of these kids become more social and exhibit > better eye contact and more interaction with others after they start taking > LDN. Their sleep is also improved, and they get fewer colds and other > infections. > > Gluck, MD, who chaired the conference and, aside from Dr. Bihari, > has done more than anyone to advance the use of LDN, gave an overview of > other new research. Highlights included a 2007 study showing that 89 percent of > patients with Crohn's disease had symptomatic improvement with LDN, and a > 2008 Italian study demonstrating that LDN stopped progression in all but > one of 40 patients with an aggressive type of MS. He also reported on > continuing research into LDN's effects on inflammatory bowel disease, > fibromyalgia, and MS. > > Truth be told, we have barely scratched the surface when it comes to the > therapeutic potential of this drug. Patients and physicians†" including those > at Whitaker Wellness†" get consistently good results with LDN. In addition to > the conditions discussed above, it's also helpful for allergies, > Parkinson's disease, chronic fatigue syndrome, leaky gut and other gastrointestinal > problems, corneal ulcers, and overall immune support. And Dr. McCandless > calls LDN " the best anti-aging medicine going. " > > Ignored by Conventional Doctors > So we're back to the same old question: Why don't conventional physicians > prescribe LDN? First, they don't know about it. Doctors get most of their > information from pharmaceutical reps and medical journals, which are > essentially drug ads cloaked in the mantle of science. Because Naltrexone's patent > expired years ago, no drug company will ever research or promote LDN. > Furthermore, LDN is inexpensive (about $30 for a month's supply), so there's no > profit motive. Plus, it would compete with newer, far more expensive > drugs. Many patients with serious chronic disease spend hundreds or thousands of > dollars a month on medications, and some cancer drugs cost more than > $100,000 a year! No profit-motivated company is going to derail that gravy > train. Comment from grace - (I order mine from _www.AllDayChemist.com_ > (http://www.alldaychemist.com/) in India because I couldn’t get 5 physicians, > even after they saw the awesome results, to Rx it for me. No Rx is needed > there. And they are wonderful people!) > > Second, Naltrexone has been approved by the FDA only for opiate and > alcohol dependence. And although the " off-label use " of a drug†" prescribing it to > treat conditions other than those for which it's approved†" is perfectly > legal, many doctors are too timid to do it. > > Finally, most physicians are unwilling to think outside the box. If a > patient asks me about a therapy and I'm unfamiliar with it, I'll check it out > and, as long as it's safe and makes sense, I'll help the patient give it a > try. There's a wealth of data on LDN on the Internet†" just Google LDN and see > for yourself. Unfortunately, most physicians are so stuck in their biases > that they prefer to just say no. > > Patients Are Spreading the Word > Physicians may not be embracing LDN, but patients certainly are. Vicki, > the woman who was nearly crippled with MS, walked 53 miles from her home to > the California state capitol building in Sacramento to talk with Governor > Schwarzenegger's staff about raising awareness of LDN. Dee, the " terminal " > cancer patient, has created a Web site to get the word out (ldn4cancer.com). > > A couple of patients have written books on LDN and more will soon be > released. Still others, realizing that well-organized studies are the only way > to get the attention of the scientific community, are raising money or using > their own resources to fund research (although the current science is more > than adequate). > > I wish them luck, and I'll do everything I can to help, but I'm not > optimistic. This reminds me of the Dilantin saga. Jack Dreyfus has spent $80 > million of his personal fortune trying to get doctors to recognize the > extremely beneficial off-label uses of this safe, inexpensive, low-dose drug for > treating anxiety and depression. Forty years later, it's still ignored. > Meanwhile, the pharmaceutical companies have made billions of dollars on > antidepressants that are not only dangerous, but mind-numbing as well. > > If you are suffering with any of the conditions discussed in this article, > LDN certainly merits a therapeutic trial. Talk to your doctor, present the > research and sources of additional information, and if he/she isn't open > to prescribing LDN, then find a new physician. > > Recommendations: > > LDN requires a prescription (although you can get it at All Day Chemist > without one if you can’t find a supportive physician) and is obtained through > compounding pharmacies. (Regular pharmacies typically carry only 50 mg > capsules.) Good ones include Skip's Pharmacy, (800) 553-7429, Wellness > Pharmacy, (800) 227-2627, and McGuff Pharmacy, (877) 444-1133. > The optimal dose of LDN is 4.5 mg at bedtime. Some people have vivid > dreams when they first begin using LDN. If this is an issue for you, start with > 1.5†" 3 mg and build up over two months. Do not take LDN if you use narcotic > drugs†" it blocks their effects and causes withdrawal symptoms. LDN may be > started only after narcotics are completely out of your system, typically 1-2 > weeks is recommended. > We routinely prescribe LDN at the Whitaker Wellness Institute. To see a > physician here, call (800) 488-1500. > > To learn more, visit Dr. Gluck's Web site, _www.LowDoseNaltrexone.org_ > (http://www.low dose naltrexone.org/) and search the Internet for LDN. > > Reference: > > A Revolution in Research: The Fourth Annual Low-Dose Naltrexone > Conference. October 11, 2008. > > http:LDN-for-Cancer.com updated version now > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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