Re: Re: hyper calcemia--- Iodine beginner needs help! Which brand of supplements?

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I looked up hypercalcemia and it is too much calcium in the blood. My understanding is that magnesium is used to balance out the calcium in one's system. Both calcium and magnesium are located near each other on the periodic table of the elements and I think they may be found in quarries in proximity to one another. Anyway, I usually take Cal-Mag citrate supplements as they are the most absorbable and help to create the proper balance of calcium and magnesium. I believe it is a 2:1 that is normal, but in your case, it sounds like you should take straight Magnesium citrate at first to get a proper

level going. I usually use the brand by Solaray as my nutritionist has recommended it to me and it has worked well for me. Make sure you get the

There are many forms of magnesium out there. Don't use magnesium oxylate as that is a laxative and oxylates are not really absorbable. It may be cheaper but it is not going to help you unless you are constipated. Usually the citrate form is the most absorbalbe and chelated forms of minerals are said to be absorba.

I use a product called Calm which is made of magnesium used to calm me when I can't sleep. I can't recall if it is a citrate form, but I believe it is, so check the lable. If you look up calcium and magnesium you will find that they are goof for heart rythms and also good to calm you down in addition to a variety of other needs for the body. The problem with taking too much calcium is that it can build up in the system and cause problems like kidney stones and such.

make sure you get gel caps with tiny granules as those tend to be more absorbable than the tablets which have binders.

It is hard to determine how much you should take, but try 2,000 milligrams of Mg, and see how you feel or what your test results come back as. You may need to take more or less. After it becomes normal, see if the Cal-Mag citrate works for you and if you should do the 2:1 or 1:1 ratios. Of it you will need more supplementation of Mg. in addition to the Cal-Mag.

Good luck with the Mg and keep us posted!

Angie

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 6:54 PMSubject: Re: Re: Iodine beginner needs help! Which brand of supplements?

I don't know the answer to that.

Buist, ND HC

Iodine beginner needs help! Which brand of supplements?> > > > I am BRAND new to the group. I have

thyroid cancer and canceled my thyroidectomy. I am trying to use supplementation INSTEAD OF THYROIDECTOMY to treat the cancer. But I know that brands are important (bioavailability, absorbability) So which brand(s) do I use, and where can I buy them online? (I don't have a car) Someone recently answered this question about Selenium only but what about the rest of the following: Vitamins B2, B3, A, C, D, L-Tyrosine, Magnesium, Zinc, Iron, ATP co-factors>

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Too much calcium in the blood and soft tissues can also be due to an imbalance with the other nutrients in the calcium cycle.

Of special note is vitamins D3 and K2.

Hypervitaminosis* can occur if one supplements with D3 and calcium but does not take K2 or takes insufficient magnesium.

*From Wiki: An excess of vitamin D causes abnormally high blood concentrations of calcium (hypercalcemia), which can cause overcalcification of the bones, soft tissues, heart and kidneys. It can also damage the kidney and produce kidney stones. In addition, hypertension can result. Ongoing research indicates antagonism with oil soluble menatetrenone, MK-4, an internally transported natural form of vitamin K2, which is associated with bone formation and calcium retention in the bones.

Not sure of the wording of the second Wiki sentence!

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Hi Celine,

We use a lot of calcium. The problem happens when it is not balanced with its nutritional cofactors. You say you are taking D3 - are you taking magnesium and K2 also?

The sulphated D3 that we make in our skin is quite different to that obtained in supplemental form. Please search under the terms 'D3 hypervitaminosis'.

If you continue to supplement with D3 without the nutritional cofactors it is very likely that you will continue to have high serum calcium levels - but that calcium will have been removed from your bones.

Supplemental magnesium is one of the companion nutrients required with iodine supplementation is discussed in the forum and the introduction.

Most people are very deficient in K2.

You synthesize some in your digestive system if you eat enough greens and if you have a good population of beneficial micro-organisms.

You can get it from kefir cultured foods, unpasteurised organic dairy (especially butter) , and traditional fermented foods. Natto is the fermented food richest in K2 but is unpalatable for most.

BUT if you are supplementing with D3 the chances are that dietary intakes will be insufficient - unless you are on Donna Gate's 'Body Ecology Diet'.

Supplemental K2 is not available through your supermarket, pharmacy or health food store.

Suggestion are Weston Price's high vitamin butter oil capsules (I think there is some cod liver or fish oil in those) or the K2 capsules available from Mercola.com or Puritan's Pride - these are derived from natto.

Iodine beginner needs help! Which brand of supplements?> >> > >> > >> > >> I am BRAND new to the group. I have thyroid cancer and canceled my thyroidectomy. I am trying to use supplementation INSTEAD OF THYROIDECTOMY to treat the cancer. But I know that brands are important (bioavailability, absorbability) So which brand(s) do I use, and where can I buy them online? (I don't have a car) Someone recently answered this question about Selenium only but what about the rest of the following: Vitamins B2, B3, A, C, D, L-Tyrosine, Magnesium, Zinc, Iron, ATP co-factors> >>> >> >>

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Would vitamin k2 be beneficial in this instance as it helps transport calcium from the blood/tissues into the bones?

From: celeene66 <ldanaila@...>iodine Sent: Monday, 21 November 2011 7:12 PMSubject: Re: hyper calcemia--- Iodine beginner needs help! Which brand of supplements?

HI Angie,thank you for the link.I take large doses of vitamin D3 and I also took some calcium (50 mg-100mg/day) and I developped hypercalcemia. I also did a hair test and my calcium levels were extremely high...so I'm afraid to take calcium.Celine> >>> >> I would probably add some estrogen balancing items like:> >> > >> Calcium D Glucorate> >> DIM > >> > >> Oh and I also did the liver detox product Metagenics Ultra Clear Plus but then the last 2 years have been doing the TLC product from Pure Zen Health. > >> > >> Buist, ND HC> >> > >> > >> Iodine beginner needs help! Which brand of supplements?> >> > >> > >> > >> I am BRAND new to the group. I have thyroid cancer and canceled my thyroidectomy. I am trying to use supplementation INSTEAD OF THYROIDECTOMY to treat the cancer. But I know that brands are important (bioavailability, absorbability) So which brand(s) do I use, and where can I buy them online? (I don't have a car) Someone recently answered this question about Selenium only but what about the rest of the following: Vitamins B2, B3, A, C, D, L-Tyrosine, Magnesium, Zinc, Iron, ATP co-factors> >>> >> >>

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Hi Celine,Were you taking magnesium also? Magnesium is essential for the calcium to actually get into the bones, so that could explain it. It is easy to get plenty of calcium in our daily diet, but difficult to get enough magnesium. I supplement everyday with magnesium, and only occasionally take a calcium supplement. I would try taking magnesium for awhile, without calcium. Donna in IL From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of celeene66Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:13 AMiodine Subject: Re: hyper calcemia--- Iodine beginner needs help! Which brand of supplements? HI Angie,thank you for the link.I take large doses of vitamin D3 and I also took some calcium (50 mg-100mg/day) and I developped hypercalcemia. I also did a hair test and my calcium levels were extremely high...so I'm afraid to take calcium.Celine> >>> >> I would probably add some estrogen balancing items like:> >> > >> Calcium D Glucorate> >> DIM > >> > >> Oh and I also did the liver detox product Metagenics Ultra Clear Plus but then the last 2 years have been doing the TLC product from Pure Zen Health. > >> > >> Buist, ND HC> >> > >> > >> Iodine beginner needs help! Which brand of supplements?> >> > >> > >> > >> I am BRAND new to the group. I have thyroid cancer and canceled my thyroidectomy. I am trying to use supplementation INSTEAD OF THYROIDECTOMY to treat the cancer. But I know that brands are important (bioavailability, absorbability) So which brand(s) do I use, and where can I buy them online? (I don't have a car) Someone recently answered this question about Selenium only but what about the rest of the following: Vitamins B2, B3, A, C, D, L-Tyrosine, Magnesium, Zinc, Iron, ATP co-factors> >>> >> >>

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Hi Denice,

I would say yes - K2 is required for the workings of the calcium cycle.

Over the past few years the information about the effects of a D3 deficiency has become available, and many are now supplementing with it - some to their detriment, as, like iodine it requires companion nutrients, but the focus has been on D3 only.

As with so many other supplements, Iodine and D3 act in synergy with other nutrients, so the smart approach is to ensure you have an adequate intake of those companion nutrients.

Will probably expand on this topic in the OT area

Iodine beginner needs help! Which brand of supplements?> >> > >> > >> > >> I am BRAND new to the group. I have thyroid cancer and canceled my thyroidectomy. I am trying to use supplementation INSTEAD OF THYROIDECTOMY to treat the cancer. But I know that brands are important (bioavailability, absorbability) So which brand(s) do I use, and where can I buy them online? (I don't have a car) Someone recently answered this question about Selenium only but what about the rest of the following: Vitamins B2, B3, A, C, D, L-Tyrosine, Magnesium, Zinc, Iron, ATP co-factors> >>> >> >>

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Do you know of a good source to buy K2? LouiseOn Nov 22, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Marsh wrote:



Hi Denice,

I would say yes - K2 is required for the workings of the calcium cycle.

Over the past few years the information about the effects of a D3 deficiency has become available, and many are now supplementing with it - some to their detriment, as, like iodine it requires companion nutrients, but the focus has been on D3 only.

As with so many other supplements, Iodine and D3 act in synergy with other nutrients, so the smart approach is to ensure you have an adequate intake of those companion nutrients.

Will probably expand on this topic in the OT area

Iodine beginner needs help! Which brand of supplements?> >> > >> > >> > >> I am BRAND new to the group. I have thyroid cancer and canceled my thyroidectomy. I am trying to use supplementation INSTEAD OF THYROIDECTOMY to treat the cancer. But I know that brands are important (bioavailability, absorbability) So which brand(s) do I use, and where can I buy them online? (I don't have a car) Someone recently answered this question about Selenium only but what about the rest of the following: Vitamins B2, B3, A, C, D, L-Tyrosine, Magnesium, Zinc, Iron, ATP co-factors> >>> >> >>

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Hi Louise,

have addressed this in the OT iodine forum:

IodineOT/message/3405

Iodine beginner needs help! Which brand of supplements?> >> > >> > >> > >> I am BRAND new to the group. I have thyroid cancer and canceled my thyroidectomy. I am trying to use supplementation INSTEAD OF THYROIDECTOMY to treat the cancer. But I know that brands are important (bioavailability, absorbability) So which brand(s) do I use, and where can I buy them online? (I don't have a car) Someone recently answered this question about Selenium only but what about the rest of the following: Vitamins B2, B3, A, C, D, L-Tyrosine, Magnesium, Zinc, Iron, ATP co-factors> >>> >> >>