Re: CBC interpretation please

[Guest guest]

I am on testosterone, 100mg implant. Being female I only need a 10th of what a

man does, but the difference in my depression is astounding. As an example, I

was on Testosterone patches prescribed by my specialist, but they are an

unlicensed drug. So my doctors told me they weren't going to carry on

prescribing them. I knew what this would do to me, but the doc said that my own

glands would take over from the patches if I weaned myself, I decided to at

least try.

I started weaning myself and felt the difference immediately, but I persevered.

When I went to the doctor in tears, depressed, ready to walk out on my 20 year

marriage because I couldn't cope, I was (as usual) diagnosed as depressed and

given some anti depressants. The anti-D's caused terrible pain in all my joints

(one of the side effects is to flush all the salt out of your body). I stopped

the anti-depressants and phoned my specialist in desperation. I got a call back

with an appointment for 2 weeks later. I went and had a Testosterone implant

(should last 6 months). Within 4 days I was un-depressed (if thats a word).

Totally free of all my depression symptoms.

I have always described my depression as having a layer of sticky black tar at

the bottom of my mind. I can without the drugs, try flapping my arms frantically

to keep me floating above the black tar, but it takes a lot of work and I

invariably get tired drop into it, where I am caught and trapped. But with the

Testosterone, I have no black tar at the bottom of my mind, it just doesn't

exist.

My Testosterone levels were 'within range' but at the low end of the range.

Luckily I had an enlightened doctor (German) who treated me a person not a piece

of paper, who referred me to the specialist. I wish I could get back to that

practice.

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>

> I've managed to get an appointment at 10.45 tomorrow for another blood

> test for testosterone. The deficiencies are very similar to Vit D and B

> deficiencies. Only today another footballer was diagnosed with

> depression from low Testosterone.

> While 85 per cent of 220 British GPs questioned on a testosterone study

> considered it a medical condition worthy of treatment, 90 per cent

> admitted they were not aware of how it should be treated.

>

[Guest guest]

Bill

have you been tested for sleep apnea? That can cause problems with sleep too

waking up gasping for breath, sweating, anxiety etc

> Without giving too much information I think another nights visit to A+E

> virtually confirms symptoms of low Testosterone. I awoke just after 3am,

> not only with panic attacks, but I was soaked head to foot as if I'd

> just got out of the shower.

are you overweight Bill? You don't have to be, to have sleep apnea, but it does

make it worse. just wondering. could you have sleep apnea? Sleep apnea is

linked to hormones, but i'd never rely on hormonal treatment alone to fix it, it

can be deadly.

I have sleep apnea, uuntreated i had nnightmares, gasped for breath, and was

full of panic at night. i was stopping breathing 90 tmies an hour. that

doesn't do you much good. but it's treated now with a cpap machine

have you heard of melatonin? is that compatible with your epilepsy meds?

>I'm beginning to wonder if burning the

> candle at both ends has crept up on me?

it could be anything, the amount of stress you've beenthrough won't have helped

anything. everything takes it's toll, no matter how hard you try to fight it

and want to carry on, if the hormones are out, you're up the creek (easily

fixable though).

don't rule anything out, and remember it may be multiple systems that are out

(thyroid, testosterone, cortisol, dhea), and it could also be things like sleep

apnea (just saying)

[Guest guest]

Thats great I bought;

Healthy Kingdoms items : 1 Healthy Origins, Vitamin D 5000IU 360 softgels £11.00 1 £11.00Dispatched via Royal Mail (estimated arrival date: Tuesday, January 17, 2012). I was being cautious because of my epilepsy and bought 360 hoping that doubling up would be ample.

My levels were 34 nmol/s so going by your experience, if you went from 22.6 ng/L to 45.6 ng/L in 4-8 weeks, roughly equating to 56 nmol/L to 114 nmols/L, I might need a bit longer? Plus, I now learn that the anticonvulsants gourge away at Vit D.

I'm not daft enough to follow one mans experience as documented in The miraculous results of extremely high doses of Vit D , but I downloaded it and took the Kindle edition to read in bed.

I received the Vit D last Saturday and I began with 5000 and doubled to 10000 on Tuesday.

Without giving too much information I think another nights visit to A+E virtually confirms symptoms of low Testosterone. I awoke just after 3am, not only with panic attacks, but I was soaked head to foot as if I'd just got out of the shower. I went to bed just after 8.30pm but the brain just wouldn't switch off, as if the adrenaline wanted to keep going. I used to be like that 30 years ago from playing in a group, coming home at 2-3am still wired up. So I must have fell asleep after hearing the midnight news and then bang, panic attacks. But all I could worry about was leaving my two dogs again. It's bloody true that the bigger we are the softer we get. I'm beginning to wonder if burning the candle at both ends has crept up on me?

I apologise if the contents have strayed from thyroid issues but, with Vit D being a pro-hormone, they all tie in.

Bill

>> Bill, > > are you treating your Vitamin D levels? I have given up on my gp, and i'm not the only one to have had to do so.> > i got my vitamin D levels up from: > > 25-Hydroxy-Vitamin D - 22.6 ng/mL 30.0-60 > to> 25-Hydroxy-Vitamin D 45.6 ng/mL 30.0-60 > > by taking 10,000 vitamin D3 for a month or two. This brand:> > http://www.iherb.com/Healthy-Origins-Vitamin-D3-10-000-IU-120-Softgels/21314?at=0> > > Sorry if i've missed that you are taking Vitamin D3, or i've repeated something someone else has said> > > > chris> > > > Hi I think that's it. When you state "sometimes (often?) the case> > that more than one hormone is out.", if vit D is a prohormone and I'm> > insufficient at 34 nmol/L surely proves the fact?> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi sleep apnea has never been mentioned and I'm 5'10 " @ 210lb so

could do with shedding 2 stone. The excess is only really on the abdomen

so once I can restore some energy the carpentry and house wiring should

burn off.

I feel compelled to mention that Sheila was instrumental in bringing

forward my March 12th appointment to next Monday 23rd Jan. because of

the past few days events. I just can't think of words to convey my

appreciation.

Thanks again Sheila,

Luv, Bill

>

> Bill

>

> have you been tested for sleep apnea? That can cause problems with

sleep too waking up gasping for breath, sweating, anxiety etc

>

>

> > Without giving too much information I think another nights visit to

A+E

> > virtually confirms symptoms of low Testosterone. I awoke just after

3am,

> > not only with panic attacks, but I was soaked head to foot as if I'd

> > just got out of the shower.

>

> are you overweight Bill? You don't have to be, to have sleep apnea,

but it does make it worse. just wondering. could you have sleep apnea?

Sleep apnea is linked to hormones, but i'd never rely on hormonal

treatment alone to fix it, it can be deadly.

>

> I have sleep apnea, uuntreated i had nnightmares, gasped for breath,

and was full of panic at night. i was stopping breathing 90 tmies an

hour. that doesn't do you much good. but it's treated now with a cpap

machine

>

> have you heard of melatonin? is that compatible with your epilepsy

meds?

>

>

> >I'm beginning to wonder if burning the

> > candle at both ends has crept up on me?

>

> it could be anything, the amount of stress you've beenthrough won't

have helped anything. everything takes it's toll, no matter how hard you

try to fight it and want to carry on, if the hormones are out, you're up

the creek (easily fixable though).

>

> don't rule anything out, and remember it may be multiple systems that

are out (thyroid, testosterone, cortisol, dhea), and it could also be

things like sleep apnea (just saying)

>

[Guest guest]

I'd suggest you don't rule anything out Bill unless you know for sure (through

testing), things can have similar symptoms. please bear it in mind if you get

lingering sleep problems that won't clear up despite hormonal help

as you know, 'they' don't mention anything like vitamin d3, sleep apnea,

testosterone, you have to fight for the correct tests and treatment as you know

all too well. 'They' aren't exactly falling over themselves to help us and

find the cause of our problems. My sleep apnea was 'stress' apparently, but

no, stopping breathing 90 times an hour, blood oxygen going down to 83%....that

sure will cause stress but wasn't caused by stress.

Good luck with your appointment

chris

>

>

> Hi sleep apnea has never been mentioned and I'm 5'10 " @ 210lb so

> could do with shedding 2 stone. The excess is only really on the abdomen

> so once I can restore some energy the carpentry and house wiring should

> burn off.

[Guest guest]

With the melatonin, Dr Hertoghe prescribes this one (or at least prescribed me

this one). it's sublingual, very good, i take 0.2mg. Gets to work quickly....

http://www.eurohealthproject.com/hormones/biotonin.html

chris

>

> You're very welcome Bill. You just cannot go on like this with these

> dreadful panic attacks. I still think you would benefit from trying

> Melatonin 3mgs when you go to bed. Your melatonin level is already very low.

[Guest guest]

Hi despite Sheila's fantastic help in bringing forward an appointment with Dr P . My SiL had to cancel it as I was admitted to hospital, via A+E on 20th January. I had first presented myself on the previous Monday 16th with paresthesia in all extremities and chest pains. I was discharged in just under the 4 hours waiting time as all clinical signs, bar a raised alkaline phosphatase, were normal.

I spent the afternoon of Friday 20th over my brothers workshop and all was fine until about 5pm when chest pains and panic/anxiety set in. My brother spoke over the phone with my GP who was willing to prescribe a Beta-blocker. Without seeing me???? When I declined a B-blocker, he suggested Valium, but I said it was only masking the underlying health concern. Obviously, my brother saw me as argumentative with a professional who's there to help me and he disagrees with my use of the internet and self diagnosing. With all due respect for him, he's never been ill in his life and is unaware at the disparity between private and NHS treatment and any attempt I try at proving this is met with hostility.

An hour later and and panic was so intense I was unbelievably lethargic. My brother and SIL drove me to my pharmacist who advised him to call the out of hours GP. Five hours later a doctor just placed a finger about the sternum and diagnosed epigastric pain and advised my brother to drive to A+E with his letter of referral.

I was admitted to a surgical ward and taken at 3am for two full chest & abdominal X-rays that reported normal but, 2 days later, an ultra-sound scan revealed multiple gallstones.

Whilst lying in hospital I noticed my oxygen sats were falling to 94-95%. They had never fallen. The paramedics readings always showed 100%. My raising the issue of low ferritin and B12 fell on deaf ears. My last CBC of 29/11/11 showed ferritin at 55ug/L (range 22-275). As Sheila previously mentioned, the reference ranges are more appropriate for females. Can you advise on a decent Iron supplement please?

Within the same CBC my serum B12 was 348ng/L (range 189-883). Since Xmas I've been taking one capsule daily of Swanson Ultra Activated B Complex but I wouldn't think my levels are greatly increased yet?

I'm being expected to accept surgery on the gallbladder but, upon reading Correlation Of Gallstone Disease With Iron-Deficiency Anaemia: A Prospective Study I feel that it can be avoided by raising my Ferritin level?

Admittedly, the internet can be a dangerous tool in the wrong hands, but some of us have no choice so long as we use caution, discretion and common sense.

I am also aware that my experiences are deviating from a Thyroid issue but, apart from a high TSH of 4.0 and a FT4 of 11 pmols/L (range 9-19pmols/L), I am trying to avoid Thyroid treatment by withdrawing the damned Prozac that was prescribed 12 years ago. Prozac, which is 94% fluoride, is suppressing the T4>T3 conversion, together with the anticonvulsant use of 40 years that is also proven to suppress the thyroid conversion. Talk about a double wammy?

But, if drug addicts can be supplied with methadone for their self afflicted addiction why can someone, naive of "big pharma's" role in todays society, not receive similar help on a withdrawal programme to a safer alternative like 5-HTP ( a natural serotonin precursor).

If a moderator feels that this thread is more justified in the thyroid chat forum, please advise instead of rapping my knuckles.

Kind regards, Bill>> I'd suggest you don't rule anything out Bill unless you know for sure (through testing), things can have similar symptoms. please bear it in mind if you get lingering sleep problems that won't clear up despite hormonal help> > as you know, 'they' don't mention anything like vitamin d3, sleep apnea, testosterone, you have to fight for the correct tests and treatment as you know all too well. 'They' aren't exactly falling over themselves to help us and find the cause of our problems. My sleep apnea was 'stress' apparently, but no, stopping breathing 90 times an hour, blood oxygen going down to 83%....that sure will cause stress but wasn't caused by stress.> > Good luck with your appointment

[Guest guest]

Hi Bill

Sorry to hear you're still not doing well at all.

> Beta-blocker. Without seeing me???? When I declined a B-blocker, he

> suggested Valium, but I said it was only masking the underlying health

> concern.

I wouldn't take those things long term, but if you get really bad, is it worth

considering them short term as an option? I agree with you completely about

finding the underlying cause(s).

>Obviously, my brother saw me as argumentative with a

> professional who's there to help me and he disagrees with my use of the

> internet and self diagnosing. With all due respect for him, he's never

> been ill in his life and is unaware at the disparity between private and

> NHS treatment and any attempt I try at proving this is met with

> hostility.

I have met this attitude many times myself; you are doing all you can do, and in

my experience it's not even mentioning health problems with such people - my

family are very dismissive of my health and do not know, or care, about my

health problems (apart from sleep apnea) and the meds i take, and the lengths

i've gone to to get help. They just don't understand. It is best to focus on

trying to get well and ignore any 'its all in your mind' or any other statements

you may get.

> I was admitted to a surgical ward and taken at 3am for two full chest &

> abdominal X-rays that reported normal but, 2 days later, an ultra-sound

> scan revealed multiple gallstones.

> Whilst lying in hospital I noticed my oxygen sats were falling to

> 94-95%. They had never fallen. The paramedics readings always showed

> 100%. My raising the issue of low ferritin and B12 fell on deaf ears.

Could that be from the way you were breathing or adrenaline? (don't know much

about falling oxygen sats)

>My

> last CBC of 29/11/11 showed ferritin at 55ug/L (range 22-275). As Sheila

> previously mentioned, the reference ranges are more appropriate for

> females. Can you advise on a decent Iron supplement please?

I take Solgar Gentle Iron, and take a vitamin C tablet at the same time. You

can get it from www.yournutritionshop.com and use the code dsc1210 to get 10%

off.

> Within the same CBC my serum B12 was 348ng/L (range 189-883). Since Xmas

> I've been taking one capsule daily of Swanson Ultra Activated B Complex

> <mhtml:{56916D17-AF68-4250-928A-85278507C3DC}mid://00000883/!x-usc:http:\

> //www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004KX0TT0> but I wouldn't think my levels

> are greatly increased yet?

Nor would I. I was able to get my b12 levels up by taking a sublingual b12

nugget thing - again, from yournutritionshop

http://www.yournutritionshop.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?Search=Yes & sppp=20 & page\

=1 & Keyword=b12%20nugget & category=ALL & highprice= & lowprice= & allwords=b12%20nugget & \

exact= & atleast= & without= & cprice= & searchfields=

I took one or two a day.

> I'm being expected to accept surgery on the gallbladder but, upon

> reading Correlation Of Gallstone Disease With Iron-Deficiency Anaemia [...] I

feel that it can be avoided by raising my

> Ferritin level?

I wouldn't know about that, sorry. I don't know much about gall issues sorry

but gather it can be a symptom of hypothyroidism? (My grandmother and sister

had theirs out - suspect hypothyroid in both > if i am, how can they not be?)

> Admittedly, the internet can be a dangerous tool in the wrong hands, but

> some of us have no choice so long as we use caution, discretion and

> common sense.

Yes i agree; don't throw the baby out with the bathwater though - *some* doctors

are good.

> I am also aware that my experiences are deviating from a Thyroid issue

> but, apart from a high TSH of 4.0 and a FT4 of 11 pmols/L (range

> 9-19pmols/L), I am trying to avoid Thyroid treatment by withdrawing the

> damned Prozac that was prescribed 12 years ago

why avoid it? Is that wise? how do you know that coming off prozac will

resolve the issue? it could be co existing or even pre-existing? if you are

coming off prozac now, do you think it could be worsening your problems? When

people are hypothyroid, they are usually on meds for life aren't they. If you

are not converting so well, then it may be that if you took a natural thyroid

that would help ; it is after all a good proportion of t3?

> damned Prozac that was prescribed 12 years ago. Prozac, which is 94%

> fluoride, is suppressing the T4>T3 conversion, together with the

> anticonvulsant use of 40 years that is also proven to suppress the

> thyroid conversion. Talk about a double wammy?

I was on prozac for 6 months and my goodness it caused me a lot of issues - i

believe it induced metabolic syndrome in me, and caused me to put on about 3

stone round my middle in 6 months, then when i came off it, it crashed my

adrenals. it is not good stuff. i think the antidepressants can help if

someone's in a really bad way but there are other factors that need to be looked

at first, and i would favour herbs over antidepressants and hormones play such a

big part in it all.

what stage are you at, are you working on coming off prozac? if you were more

stable on it, is it better to keep on it until you can sort out other issues?

(only you know this). I am not fully familiar with what is going on - it does

sound like you've got a lot going on: gallstones, epilepsy, low ferritin, prozac

(possible withdrawal),low b12 - and that's just what we know about? I think you

need proper help with all this.

> But, if drug addicts can be supplied with methadone for their self

> afflicted addiction why can someone, naive of " big pharma's " role in

> todays society, not receive similar help on a withdrawal programme to a

> safer alternative like 5-HTP

Your gp may be willing to prescribe you liquid prozac so you can wean off it

slowly? My GP did this 8 years ago when I lived in Birmingham. I don't think

GPs are very clued up on withdrawal. I think Dr Bregging wrote a good

book on withdrawing from antidepressants.

Bill, I really think you need to see someone who can help you with all this -

you have multiple things going on . Are you in a financial position to get

private care? You shouldn't have to do this, but if you can, it would be

beneficial. If not, we need to think how you will proceed with all this. Your

problems may not be difficult to resolve if you can get the right tests and

right treatment. Is there any way you could go to Belgium to the Hertoghe

clinic? Or get some blood tests done privately here and go to see Dr Skinner in

Birmingham? Have you had testosterone tested? I seem to recall your cortisol

levels were at the top of the range, but your DHEA was low, is that right?

Did you do the Hertoghe questionnaire i posted before? That may give clues.

chris

[Guest guest]

Hi would it be possible to reply personally please?

Kind regards, Bill

>

[Guest guest]

Of course , no problem

>

> Hi would it be possible to reply personally please?

>

> Kind regards, Bill

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Before clicking 'SEND'please will you check that you have deleted most of the

previous message you are responding to and leave just a small portion. Many

thanks. I have removed most of the previous message on this occasion. Luv -

Sheila

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Hi Bill

Sorry this is happening to you. I just wanted to let you know about my

'gallbladder' experiences, which I now know were wholly to do with undiagnosed

subclinical hypothyroidism.

My gallbladder was removed in 2005. I now consider this to be GBH by the NHS.

Surprisingly (or not), it didn't fix the problem, which, having researched

biliary function, was due to bile dyskinesis. Or thick, stagnant bile, in other

words, caused by chronic metabolic dysfunction, caused by... hypothyroidism. I

didn't have gallstones, but bile dyskinesis can cause them to form.

My case is a bit more straight forward than yours, but the research I've done is

succinctly summed up on www.gallbladderattack.com. It's worth a look. I use

their bile salts if things get a little uncomfortable in the gallbladder area

(even though I don't have one any more!).

There's some sensible advice on there about gallbladder surgery, and the

alternatives. The site makes the interesting point that surgery removes the

gallstones, but doesn't put right the health problem which caused them to form

(usually slow moving bile).

Hope it helps from an information point of view. It certainly helped me

understand what was going on, if not exactly why.

Oh, and the fresh beetroot thing really works.

Take care

Sue

>

> Hi despite Sheila's fantastic help in bringing forward an

> appointment with Dr P . My SiL had to cancel it as I was admitted to

> hospital, via A+E on 20th January.

> I had first presented myself on the previous Monday 16th with

> paresthesia in all extremities and chest pains. I was discharged in just

> under the 4 hours waiting time as all clinical signs, bar a raised

> alkaline phosphatase, were normal.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sue, I've only just noticed your reply after sending a lengthy personal email to Chris. I explained that I thought I was deviating too far from thyroid issues to continue this thread.

However, since you've mentioned the GB link to undiagnosed Hypo I'll continue.

I don't feel comfortable at denigrating my brother as I previously mentioned, he's his own self made man and has never had a day off sick. But he does'nt condone my use of the internet for knowledge. It's such a shame and waste of a further education for doctors not to do likewise. But as we know, there are the exceptions, Dr Dan Hoch . Like many members, it leaves you with little, if any, faith in them when you keep giving physical signs and symptoms but they're only interested in clinical diagnoses. It happens in all walks of life. The many times I've gone to fit someones kitchen and the sales person has miscalculated the unit sizes that won't fit along one wall. An analogy that I gave Sheila about the construction of a house. If cracks keep appearing on an internal wall why keep using Polyfilla? Check the foundations. In our cases check the adrenals and thyroid, the gearbox of the body. My 's youngest had her GB out and has regreted it ever since. Why not Lithotripsy, as for kidney stones?

Thanks again Sue.

Bill> Hi Bill> Sorry this is happening to you. I just wanted to let you know about my 'gallbladder' experiences, which I now know were wholly to do with undiagnosed subclinical hypothyroidism.> My gallbladder was removed in 2005. I now consider this to be GBH by the NHS. Surprisingly (or not), it didn't fix the problem, which, having researched biliary function, was due to bile dyskinesis. Or thick, stagnant bile, in other words, caused by chronic metabolic dysfunction, caused by... hypothyroidism. I didn't have gallstones, but bile dyskinesis can cause them to form.> My case is a bit more straight forward than yours, but the research I've done is succinctly summed up on www.gallbladderattack.com. It's worth a look. I use their bile salts if things get a little uncomfortable in the gallbladder area (even though I don't have one any more!).> There's some sensible advice on there about gallbladder surgery, and the alternatives. The site makes the interesting point that surgery removes the gallstones, but doesn't put right the health problem which caused them to form (usually slow moving bile).> Hope it helps from an information point of view. It certainly helped me understand what was going on, if not exactly why.> Oh, and the fresh beetroot thing really works.> Take care> Sue

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue, words fail me. I've been advised to stay off the PC but when it's your life and you don't have immediate access to a medic what else can you do? Within 5 minutes I found the following;

Association between thyroid function and gallstone disease

A study population of 3 749 residents aged 20-79 years without previously diagnosed thyroid disease was available for analyses. Serum TSH was used to assess thyroid function. Cholelithiasis was defined by either a prior history of cholecystectomy or the presence of gallstones on ultrasound. Logistic regression was performed to analyze independent associations between thyroid function and cholelithiasis.

My TSH in July '09 was 2.2, it's now 4.0, but they can't put 2 + 2 together.

Would anyone else have the audacity to print this and take it to the surgeon?

A heartfelt thanks Sue,

Bill > Hi Bill> Sorry this is happening to you. I just wanted to let you know about my 'gallbladder' experiences, which I now know were wholly to do with undiagnosed subclinical hypothyroidism.> My gallbladder was removed in 2005. I now consider this to be GBH by the NHS. Surprisingly (or not), it didn't fix the problem, which, having researched biliary function, was due to bile dyskinesis. Or thick, stagnant bile, in other words, caused by chronic metabolic dysfunction, caused by... hypothyroidism. I didn't have gallstones, but bile dyskinesis can cause them to form.

[Guest guest]

Hi All, though I've been advised to get some Ferrous Sulphate could someone please verify an alternative products claim on

Viridian Balanced Iron Complex is a gentle, non-constipating, chelated iron supplement that has been shown to be four times more bioavailable than the commonly prescribed ferrous sulfate. Additionally, iron bisglycinate does not irritate the gastrointestinal system and is non-constipating. Research has shown that iron bisglycinate has superior absorption and bioavailability and has been successfully used to treat difficult cases of anemia. The iron bisglycinate molecule is believed to be absorbed intact in a manner similar to amino acid absorption. This unique iron source allows for the use of less iron in a supplement owing to its excellent bioavailability. Supplementing with a lower dose of iron means fewer side effects and a reduced level of interactions with other minerals and nutrients.

Many thanks, Bill--- In

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sheila, another of my problems, according to some friends, is

that I'm too placid. A plumber mate said that if I was any more laid

back I'd be comatose. My father was much the same until he did snap and

woe betide anyone. I can't afford to let rip otherwise the pressure just

induces a seizure.

Regarding use of the internet. If my 's case came to court, and

publicity, my MP and I were going to question why there are so many SUI

(serious untoward incidents) over drug prescribing on wards when even

patients have bedside access to the internet? Another safety issue that

I'm in contact with Prof Steve Bolsin in Geelong, Australia, is the

installing of cctv in theatres. So many adverse events go unrecorded.

Steve was the NHS whistleblower on the premature deaths at Bristol Royal

Infirmary in the late 1990's. He also provided condemning evidence on

's anaesthetic procedure.

Now, from what I've just disclosed, I would never have done without the

internet. But I'm not one to say, " stick that where the vitamin D is

unavailable? Or am I?

When I was in hospital a week ago I spent a couple of hours behind the

nurses station having a talk at 1.30am. It wasn't a case of insomnia, I

just broke and released everything. Something I've long needed. As Chris

would understand from the email I sent him this morning.

Time to chill and of up the wooden hill.

Bill

>

> Hi Bill

>

> I am amazed at anybody in this day and age who doesn't " condone " the

use of

> the Internet to further one's knowledge and education. You should ask

your

> brother whether or not he is aware that all the top medical,

scientific,

> research is published in the top medical journals on the Internet and

that

> if people learned to use this wonderful tool better, they would

benefit

> themselves and benefit society. I would also tell your brother (bless

him!)

> that you don't condone his lack of faith in your ability to know what

> information is good and what is not. Does he believe doctors should

stay

> away from the Internet too. I actually find it most insulting whenever

> anybody tells me that I should not be gleaning knowledge from Internet

> sources. Flippin' plonkers!

>

> Sorry Bill, this just makes me so mad!

>

> Luv - Sheila