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I would be extremely grateful if anyone could advise on how to move forward.

If you translate this, the solicitor is actually saying:

1. I don't understand all this - it is completely beyond me

2. It is too risky for me to take on

3. If you first had your suspicions in 2008, it's probably too late anyway

4. I'm not going to help you find someone else to take it on

If you are determined to pursue this then you might contact www.apil.org.uk to

see if they can recommend someone in your area to talk to, but the limitation

point is always going to be a concern.

D

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Thank you for responding, Sheila. I became bedridden and housebound in 2008 but was not officially diagnosed until mid 2010. I was originally told I may have Sjogren's Syndrome or CFS/ME. My GPs did not believe the diagnosis from my first endo and it was only when I saw another endocrinologist on Sheila's list mid 2011, that my condition was finally included in my medical notes. I started self medicating only on 1 january this year as I was becoming increasingly T4 toxic from levothyroxine and I was near death. My endo at the time refused to change my dose and instead, wrote to my GPs and told them that I needed a psychiatrist as I had started self medicating. I was diagnosed as a "Hypochodriasis".My new endo will not increase my T3 above 60mcg when I cannot function on less than 125/130mcg T3, and so I am forced to continue to fund my own medication when I cannot afford to, and am worried what will happen when I can no longer do so.Yes, he does admit that this is out of his remit and he is not a specialist on thyroid issues but, having spoken to him, he honestly doesn't know anyone he can refer me to as this also involves the BTA and RCP. He has already taken up many hours going through everything I sent him and time is money!I do still have a year to get this case to court providing there is a solicitor who will take this on. Thank you for the link but this is not personal injury; it is medical negligence and defamation.He mentions a public interest argument... "it may be possible to construct a public interest argument that would allow you to obtain funding from the Legal Services Commission (Legal Aid) to investigate your claim."... and it is this that I am hoping that someone on this site will have some knowledge of, or know of solicitors who could help or may be interested.Jacquie x__________________thyroid treatment , "Sheila" <dollymedlock@...> wrote:>> I would be extremely grateful if anyone could advise on how to move forward. > > If you translate this, the solicitor is actually saying:> > 1. I don't understand all this - it is completely beyond me> 2. It is too risky for me to take on> 3. If you first had your suspicions in 2008, it's probably too late anyway> 4. I'm not going to help you find someone else to take it on> > If you are determined to pursue this then you might contact www.apil.org.uk to see if they can recommend someone in your area to talk to, but the limitation point is always going to be a concern.> > D>

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HI JAQUIE

I have had the same experiance, and one solicitor was interested and instructed

me to send her my health records and having read them gave an excuse, and by the

time I was given her reasons for not taking my case on it was too late to do

anything else.

It is the same all round including the Health Ombudsman, and regarding a GP who

caused a lot of harm with drugs to me, and I complained at the time and a

Solicitor said much the same as you have received (not enough evidence and too

complicated). I approached the same firm on gaining evidense and was then told

(sorry but its too late).

With the health Ombudsman he instructed me after a lengthy time to write a

formal complaint to the GP concerned,, but guess what, he had retired early at

the time I wrote to the Ombudsman. Many more months passed to be told by the

ombudsman that due to the time and the fact that the GP had retired he could not

investigate my case. I have to wonder how much money this GP was given to induce

him to retire.

I have found that as soon as ones case concerns anything renal, be it

Hypothyroidism or any other cause they will not take ones case on.

It was the same with the fall that I had on the bus.

ICAS have even declined to help with my present complaint.

I have reached the point where I would no longer trust a hospital for fear of

the untoward being done to me, the infection risk and would look into the side

effects of a drug with a fine toothcombe, and fortunatley we have the Internet

to help with this, as I have suffered enough with Doctors prescribing " willy

nilly " , and as for the diagnoses I have had " too many to mention and no proof " .

Personally and from my experiance you do not stand a chance with obtaining a

solicitor.

The tests that an Endochrinologist may order may well cause you to end up being

worse in anything is invasive, such as going into hospital for a start and

becomming very ill with an infection, or anything invasive can also cause you to

be worse causing an infection. You could then be given an antibiotic and end up

very ill with C-DIFF, and all I can say is " don't give them the chance " .

Kathleen

>

> Hi all

> I contacted a solicitor to take on my case against my Practice etc and

> have finally received a response from him. I would be extremely

> grateful if anyone could advise on how to move forward. He suggests...

> " Given the fact that there are issues regarding the provison of

> treatment for people suffering with thyroid complaints it may be

> possible to construct a public interest argument that would allow you to

> obtain funding from the Legal Services Commission (Legal Aid) to

> investigate your claim. Alternatively, a solicitors practice with more

> experience of dealing with thyroid issues may take your claim on on a

> 'No win, no fee' basis. "

> How would I go about constructing a public interest argument OR find

> solicitors who have experience of dealing with thyroid issues? Anyone

> know? Any help would be so appreciated.

> Below is his response to my complaint against my GP Practice and the 5

> GP statements they made in response to my complaint, as well as other

> correspondence and scientific evidence I sent to him:

> Jacquie x

>

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I have erased most of the previous message/s. Please try and remember to do

this before replying to messages.

Thanks

Moderator

Dear Jacquie and All,

The analysis of the problem shows a second step that is nominally hidden and not

considered. Once your TSH has been normalized by T4 then, according to the

Royal College of Physicians, you effectively do not have hypothyroidism any

more. At this point the problem of diagnostics must begin again. And those

diagnostics fail because the physician does not consider the physiology, known

to science, that is functionally between the thyroid gland and the symptom

producing cells is ignored and not tested.

And please note that the delayed or missing diagnosis of cancer is a huge tort

issue.

Deficiencies in this post thyroid physiology reduce the importance of the

thyroid gland tests.

Since the TSH has been normalized, then the guidelines and/or statements on

hypothyroidism no longer apply. Indeed, there is a known mimic to

hypothyroidism known as euthyroid hypometabolism. Euthyroid (your thyroid is

ok) hypometabolism (you are dragging about anyway) requires a T3 therapy,

nominally Cytomel or Cynomel or equivalent. Dr. Marshall Goldberg did two

papers on this circa 1960. But today, his diagnostic methods are dismissed and

ignored.

Since your solicitor is undoubtedly interested in the tort mantra, " knew or

should have known " , please note the following other issues.

In 1947 Drs. Kirk and Kvorning noted that not all patients were properly cared

for on T4 only.

In 1954 Dr. Means verified their observation.

In the 50's and 60's euthyroid hypometabolism was being considered, but modern

medicine ignores that work because it did not conform to modern and very

expensive forms of proof, which by the way, are no guarantee of truth and

reality.

Circa 1970, Drs. Braverman and Refetoff and their staffs discovered the

physiology in question.

Circa 2001, Drs. Baisier, Hertoghe, and Eeckhaut disclosed their investigation

of the failures of endocrinology and eventually successfully treated them with

desiccated thyroid, the oldest thyroid related therapy.

Medicine dismisses counterexamples in spite of all sciences, including medicine,

operating with inductive logic, which is inherently subject to counterexamples.

TPA has a registry of patient counterexamples. There are probably plenty in

your area who are willing to testify to their experiences of suffering and

regaining their active, attractive lives through medications which are

proscribed by endocrinology.

If your solicitor needs some help, I have been studying this problem for the

past eight years, mostly on the relevant law, albeit American Law. My email is

ekpritchard@... . I also may be considered an expert because of my

studies and because I have a published peer-reviewed paper on a facet of this

subject. It has the very medical name of " The Linguistic Etiologies of

Thyroxine-Resistant Hypothyroidism. " It says that if endocrinology were precise

in its descriptions, in either of the two ways that it could be, then there

would be no problem getting proper treatment.

And your solicitor is right in one aspect. This is a public case as there are

an estimated quarter million UK citizens with this problem.

I am also preparing a detailed case description, complete with citations to

medical papers and case law, under US law that addresses the various facets of

this case. However, in UK law, those issues are only torts and human rights,

mostly torts. I believe that with the common root in law and psychology between

the countries, there should be similar cases in the UK, and if not, the

arguments within the US cases should work there too.

By the way, the solicitor could make a fortune on this case if it were extended

to all of the UK and further extended internationally. The damages would

bankrupt most countries.

Have a better day, Pritchard.

>

> Hi all

> I contacted a solicitor to take on my case against my Practice etc and

> have finally received a response from him. I would be extremely

> grateful if anyone could advise on how to move forward. He suggests...

> " Given the fact that there are issues regarding the provison of

> treatment for people suffering with thyroid complaints it may be

> possible to construct a public interest argument that would allow you to

> obtain funding from the Legal Services Commission (Legal Aid) to

> investigate your claim. Alternatively, a solicitors practice with more

> experience of dealing with thyroid issues may take your claim on on a

> 'No win, no fee' basis. "

> How would I go about constructing a public interest argument OR find

> solicitors who have experience of dealing with thyroid issues? Anyone

> know? Any help would be so appreciated.

> Below is his response to my complaint against my GP Practice and the 5

> GP statements they made in response to my complaint, as well as other

> correspondence and scientific evidence I sent to him:

> Jacquie x

>

>

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The first thing you need to do is to forget the defamation angle. That is a

very specialised area and there is unlikely to be any mileage in that for you.

You may then need to find someone who is on the Law Society's Clinical

Negligence Panel. There will be a list on the Law Society's website.

ly, if your endo will let you have 60mcg T3 you are lucky. Mine will

reluctantly let me have 30mcg, although he cannot understand why I am not hyper

at this level!

I presume when he talks about a public interest argument, he is effectively

talking about a class action, like they did for benzodiazepines and MMR and

autism.

Freeth Cartwright in Nottingham did the benzo class action - they're big in

medical negligence type stuff.

http://www.freethcartwright.co.uk/ClinicalNegligence

If we are talking failure to diagnose and failure to treat appropriately, I

think we could get plenty of people together through the various thyroid

websites.

D

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>HI Kathleen> I have had the same experiance, and one solicitor was interested and instructed me to send her my health records and having read them gave an excuse, and by the time I was given her reasons for not taking my case on it was too late to do anything else.> > It is the same all round including the Health Ombudsman, and regarding a GP who caused a lot of harm with drugs to me, and I complained at the time and a Solicitor said much the same as you have received (not enough evidence and too complicated). I approached the same firm on gaining evidense and was then told (sorry but its too late). > With the health Ombudsman he instructed me after a lengthy time to write a formal complaint to the GP concerned,, but guess what, he had retired early at the time I wrote to the Ombudsman. Many more months passed to be told by the ombudsman that due to the time and the fact that the GP had retired he could not investigate my case. I have to wonder how much money this GP was given to induce him to retire.> > I have found that as soon as ones case concerns anything renal, be it Hypothyroidism or any other cause they will not take ones case on.I am so sorry to hear this and I do agree that solicitors are not trained in dealing with Hypothyriodism cases as I doubt there have been any because of their complicated nature. and the connection between the DoH, BTA and RCP. I cannot contact the Health Ombudsmen if I take the legal route. But if my case is not accepted and I have not commenced legal proceedings, then I can revert to the Health Ombudsmen to complain that my complaint had not been dealt with proficiently by the Practice. This, however, will not help in the long run and will no doubt have little impact as I will have to change Practices and they will continue treating patients whose TSH is over 10!> > It was the same with the fall that I had on the bus.> > ICAS have even declined to help with my present complaint.ICAS have told me that I have a good case and were appalled by the way I was, and am still being treated.> > I have reached the point where I would no longer trust a hospital for fear of the untoward being done to me, the infection risk and would look into the side effects of a drug with a fine toothcombe, and fortunatley we have the Internet to help with this, as I have suffered enough with Doctors prescribing "willy nilly", and as for the diagnoses I have had "too many to mention and no proof".I don't trust hospitals either anymore and my faith in the medical profession is almost non existence. I have also covertly recorded some of my consultations and these recordings are very clear and contradict what the GPs said in their Statements.> > Personally and from my experiance you do not stand a chance with obtaining a solicitor.Kathleen, if none of us tried then we may as well all give up now. I will do my best to try and find one as this would benefit ALL of us. Any help from others with this would be so appreciated. I can be contacted directly by email on jfalkowski @ hotmail . com Please leave out the spaces.> > The tests that an Endochrinologist may order may well cause you to end up being worse in anything is invasive, such as going into hospital for a start and becomming very ill with an infection, or anything invasive can also cause you to be worse causing an infection. You could then be given an antibiotic and end up very ill with C-DIFF, and all I can say is "don't give them the chance".I will take my chances. If it is to help myself and others by stopping this atrocity and the terrible harm inflicted upon us all, then I am prepared to do whatever is required BUT if someone can help with Medical Negligence Solicitors who deal with Legal Aid or No-Win-No-Fee, who I can contact, this would be such a help.Jacquie x

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You are an absolute darling... these were the type of solicitors I was looking for... I will call them tomorrow. The sooner I can get someone on board, the sooner we can muster the troops. I do have a case on my own but it would be far better if it was a class action suite. Jacquie x> > I presume when he talks about a public interest argument, he is effectively talking about a class action, like they did for benzodiazepines and MMR and autism.> > Freeth Cartwright in Nottingham did the benzo class action - they're big in medical negligence type stuff.> > http://www.freethcartwright.co.uk/ClinicalNegligence > > If we are talking failure to diagnose and failure to treat appropriately, I think we could get plenty of people together through the various thyroid websites.> > D>

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HI JAQUIE

I have a medical negligence insurance with my home contents insurance, but the

problem with this is that you have to have their choice of solicitors which they

do on a no win no fee basis. If they think the case has less than a 50% chance

of success they do not take it on.

Legal Aid is not free, and getting more difficult to get. It is more likely to

be of benefit to a firm of solicitors as a group.

Have you heard of Rosenblatt solicitors in London as they do personal injuries,

and surely not being diagnosed and provided with correct treatment for a health

condition that in turn causes more harm could be classified as personal injury

" injured with unsuitable and dangerous drugs " .

You also get a time limit to go to the Health Ombudsman and this was the problem

I had, as the solicitor took her time and it was too late to go to the Ombudsman

with the complaint, so keep a check on the time limit, which is based on when

you became aware of an error, not when it happened. You also have to complain to

THE TRUST or GP SURGERY concerned first.

Kathleen

>

> >

> HI Kathleen

> prepared to do whatever is required BUT if someone can help with Medical

> Negligence Solicitors who deal with Legal Aid or No-Win-No-Fee, who I

> can contact, this would be such a help.

> Jacquie x

>

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Dear I was so pleased that you responded but above all, that you are prepared to put yourself forward should the occasion arise. Your message was a lot for me to take in, which is why you were the last I answered... this is because of the amount of knowledge you have and my inability to interpret it all. I will send you a separate message when I have finally secured a solicitor, as your email address did not come up on the forum... one has to 'doctor' it if you want someone to contact you, ie: jfalkowski @ hotmail . com . I will let you know as soon as I have secured a solicitor which, it seems, is not going to be so easy!! One step at a time!Jacquie x

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Dear

Because I

haven't enough hours in the day to get through everything, and because I am

working with a free-lance journalist who writes only medical articles

for the big newspapers. We spoke for a long time yesterday evening and I have

sent him lots of information about our plight, and I would like to send him a

copy of your message to Jacquie so that he can get a fuller picture. He is

telephoning me again today after he has read everything that I have sent to him

with his thoughts and no doubt, many questions. However, as a matter of

urgency, and because journalists need the FACTS, please can you list me the

references to the following papers you mentioned….and btw , would it

be OK to give your telephone number to him in case he would like to speak with

you?

We are trying

to get a news article published as quickly as possible to tie in with Dr

Skinner's victory in one of the larger National Newspapers.

Luv - Sheila

Dr. Marshall Goldberg did two papers on this circa 1960. But today, his

diagnostic methods are dismissed and ignored.

In 1947 Drs. Kirk and Kvorning noted that not all patients were properly cared

for on T4 only.

In 1954 Dr. Means verified their observation.

In the 50's and 60's euthyroid hypometabolism was being considered, but modern

medicine ignores that work because it did not conform to modern and very

expensive forms of proof, which by the way, are no guarantee of truth and

reality.

Circa 1970, Drs. Braverman and Refetoff and their staffs discovered the

physiology in question.

Circa 2001, Drs. Baisier, Hertoghe, and Eeckhaut disclosed their investigation

of the failures of endocrinology and eventually successfully treated them with

desiccated thyroid, the oldest thyroid related therapy.

Medicine dismisses counterexamples in spite of all sciences, including

medicine, operating with inductive logic, which is inherently subject to

counterexamples. TPA has a registry of patient counterexamples. There are

probably plenty in your area who are willing to testify to their experiences of

suffering and regaining their active, attractive lives through medications

which are proscribed by endocrinology.

,___

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