Here is an article for you all to add some comments to, and you Sheila.

November 29, 2011

HI ALL

Have come across this article which includes memory problems caused by

Hypothyroidism, and of course the mention that blood tests are used to diagnose,

but I have mentioned about the UK reference range and damage caused by wrong

treatment of Hypothyroidism. They mention about Thyroxine as the treatment, but

in turn I have pointed out that this does not always work.

Kathleen

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2067350/How-repair-memory-From-long-ha\

ul-travel-eating-meat-forgetfulness-causes-fix.html

November 29, 2011

Kathleen,

we can now always quote that the GMC Determination in 'the Skinner case'

considered that the following was consistent with Good Medical Practice:-

1.

In some cases it is reasonable to prescribe thyroid medication to patients with

clinical signs and symptoms of hypothyroidism but thyroid function tests within

the respective reference intervals.

2. Unlicensed drugs such as Armour Thyroid may be used if the patient

does not fully recover on levo-thyroxine.

3. It is reasonable to prescribe thyroid hormone if either the patient

refuses blood tests or the patients clinical presentation is such that it is

advisable to start treatment immediately while awaiting the blood test results.

The only caveat was that the doctor should be aware of any potential risk

(including the risk of not treating) and take reasonable care.

We now need to chase up the GMC to ask them to stop attacking doctors who have

similar protocols and to take action against doctors who make unfounded or

malicious allegations. Remember also that the Department of Health has

written that a doctor can use whatever diagnosing and treatment guideline they

wish, even if it is written in another country so long as the doctor can give

good reason why he specifically chose the guideline he uses.

Keep

this safe, and use it wherever you can to get our message over.

Luv

- Sheila

Have come across this article which includes memory problems caused by

Hypothyroidism, and of course the mention that blood tests are used to

diagnose, but I have mentioned about the UK reference range and damage caused

by wrong treatment of Hypothyroidism. They mention about Thyroxine as the

treatment, but in turn I have pointed out that this does not always work.

Kathleen

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2067350/How-repair-memory-From-long-haul-travel-eating-meat-forgetfulness-causes-fix.html

November 29, 2011

The main culprit for memory problems is lack of IODINE. IODINE is brain food. If

we could get enough iodine through our thyroid medications, it would still not

be enough...We no longer get much iodine from our foods because our soil is

depleted as well. Iodine deficiency is nothing new, it's been around a long

time. Once the iodine levels improve so does everything else related to mental

and memory problems.

Cheers,

JOT

> HI ALL

> Have come across this article which includes memory problems caused by

Hypothyroidism, and of course the mention that blood tests are used to diagnose,

but I have mentioned about the UK reference range and damage caused by wrong

treatment of Hypothyroidism. They mention about Thyroxine as the treatment, but

in turn I have pointed out that this does not always work.

> Kathleen

November 29, 2011

HI SHEILA

I will do my best to get this message across where possible. No mention is made

of T3 though which has suited me being Cynomel, and my views are that the NHS T3

contains sodium chloride.

The fact that I could not go from T4 to Natural Thyroid, could it work by going

from T3 to Natural Thyroid.

have a feeling that I am suffering from one of the problems my Nephew is

suffering from being Mortons Neuroma, and this has got worse so seeing GP next

week. My blood tests are said to be OK.

My complaint procedure is still going on, and at the end of the day do you not

think that it would be of benefit to all of us if they got up there and admitted

the harm done by diagnosing wrong and prescribing wrong for Hypothyroidism.

I am also pushing to locate my missing health records, which involves two FPC's.

I have been told that it is up to my GP to locate them, so this is now in their

hands to do this, but I will check along the way with the surgery and FPC to see

that this is not washed under the carpet. I regard my early records as proof

that I am not a " deluded hypochodriac " . It is also crucial to avoid any more

drugs that are going to cause me more harm.

My feelings are that it is not a case of one piece of paperwork getting lost, as

I feel there are more than one page and that they were removed for some reason

and may well be due to the problems I had with GP'S. It is illegal to destroy

these records, so they may still be able to be located.

I have also provided them with the name of the GP who would have written them

who possibly is no longer in this world, and he was well liked and respected and

possibly one of the first NHS GP's. He also remembered me many years after I

last saw him having passed out, caused by prescribed drugs by one of the two

surgeries involved in my missing records

There are also staff who's job it is to trace missing records.

Kathleen

>

> Kathleen, we can now always quote that the GMC Determination in 'the Skinner

> case' considered that the following was consistent with Good Medical

> Practice:-

>

> Keep this safe, and use it wherever you can to get our message over.

>

> Luv - Sheila

> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2067350/How-repair-memory-From-lon

> g-haul-travel-eating-meat-forgetfulness-causes-fix.html

>

November 29, 2011

The question didn't arise about synthetic T3, it was about the

prescribing of an unlicensed medication Kathleen, i.e. specifically Armour

Thyroid. They never mentioned any other form of natural thyroid extract, i.e.

Nature Throid, Erfa 'Thyroid' or Westhroid, all the other brands of natural

thyroid that the Medicines and healthcare Products Regulatory Agency say

doctors can prescribe if T4-only doesn't work for them, so long as they take

full responsibility for this.

If your body doesn't need any more thyroxine other than what

your thyroid gland is secreting, then I doubt it would help stopping your T3

and trying natural thyroid extract, but you can always try the experiment.

However, I would ensure that you are getting the best you can from your T3

before changing medication, as you will still probably have to increase your

dosage before you start to get the full benefit from it.

Luv - Sheila

I will do my best to get this message across where possible. No mention is made

of T3 though which has suited me being Cynomel, and my views are that the NHS

T3 contains sodium chloride.

The fact that I could not go from T4 to Natural Thyroid, could it work by going

from T3 to Natural Thyroid.

,_._,___

November 29, 2011

HI SHEILA

How can one recognize when one is taking the maximum ammount of T3.

I do not race about like I did when first starting on T3, and my weight has not

gone down a great deal.

As one increases T3, is it possible that one might also need to restart on

T4,and if so how can one recognise this.

One thing I do not recomend is having too many prunes along with T3, so will

restart VIT C.

You mention that if Doctors prescribe Armour Thyroid that the patient has to

take full responsibility, but regarding any other prescribed drug, do they ever

take the responsibility of the harm they do with drugs anyway, and the answer I

have found is NO.

Kathleen

>

> The question didn't arise about synthetic T3, it was about the prescribing

> of an unlicensed medication Kathleen, i.e. specifically Armour Thyroid. They

> never mentioned any other form of natural thyroid extract, i.e. Nature

> Throid, Erfa 'Thyroid' or Westhroid, all the other brands of natural thyroid

> that the Medicines and healthcare Products Regulatory Agency say doctors can

> prescribe if T4-only doesn't work for them, so long as they take full

> responsibility for this.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

November 30, 2011

Problem is JOT, we know that the UK (as many other countries in

Europe) is deficient in iodine, and the British Thyroid Association have

recently done a study that shows this, BUT - they refuse to test iodine levels

as routine in those suffering with thyroid problems and refuse to reduce their

recommended TSH reference range of 0.5 to 10.0 which means very few people in

the UK are able to get a diagnosis so therefore, are being denied treatment.

They need to tell us why the refuse to lower the reference range

for TSH ion these circumstances.

Luv - Sheila

The main culprit for memory problems is lack of

IODINE. IODINE is brain food. If we could get enough iodine through our thyroid

medications, it would still not be enough...We no longer get much iodine from

our foods because our soil is depleted as well. Iodine deficiency is nothing

new, it's been around a long time. Once the iodine levels improve so does

everything else related to mental and memory problems.

Cheers,

JOT

>

November 30, 2011

You will know easily enough Kathleen. You will likely start to

get palpitations, 'dire rear', feel spaced out, dizzy, sweaty, hyPER symptoms,

agitated, unable to keep still and pretty rough all round. You will notice this

happening very quickly after an increase in your dose, but it may take a few

increases to reach that stage.

I see no reason why you would need to start on T4 again when

increasing your T3 dose.

It is the DOCTOR who has to take full responsibility when

prescribing a drug that remains unlicensed, because if anything goes wrong, his

medical insurance won't cover him should the patient try to make a claim

against him. Patient's do not take responsibility, apart from finding a

responsible doctor who knows what he is doing and has studies the functioning

of the greater thyroid system. If patients are happy to remain with a doctor

who knows little to nothing about thyroid disease, then that is up to them.

Each of us should take responsibility for our own health.

Luv - Sheila

How can one recognize when one is taking the maximum ammount of T3.

I do not race about like I did when first starting on T3, and my weight has not

gone down a great deal.

As one increases T3, is it possible that one might also need to restart on

T4,and if so how can one recognise this.

One thing I do not recomend is having too many prunes along with T3, so will

restart VIT C.

You mention that if Doctors prescribe Armour Thyroid that the patient has to

take full responsibility, but regarding any other prescribed drug, do they ever

take the responsibility of the harm they do with drugs anyway, and the answer I

have found is NO.

November 30, 2011

>

> Problem is JOT, we know that the UK (as many other countries in Europe) is

> deficient in iodine, and the British Thyroid Association have recently done

> a study that shows this, BUT - they refuse to test iodine levels as routine

If some people have a family who grows veg in the garden, you could get fresh

seaweed dug into the soil to help replenish the minerals in the soil. It means

a trip to the seaside to gather it, you can buy extracts but they are expensive.

love janet

November 30, 2011

HI SHEILA

I misunderstood a little on who takes the responsibilty of prescribing

unlicensed drugs, but this brings me to a point, as they are only too readily

prescribing licensed drugs with a whole list of nasty side effects.

It is clear that Doctors carry no responsibility for prescribing these. Perhaps

if they did they would in fact take more care in what they prescribe.

I have also found that Doctors are passing the buck to the Government or drug

companies over harm done to us by drugs, but surely if a Doctor diagnoses wrong

and therefore prescribes the wrong drug, he is responsible.

This wrongful diagnosing which leads to the use of the wrong treatment, can go

on to cause longterm problems, yet the time one gets for complaints in nowhere

near long enough, and in my case the GP retired early which was far too

convenient at the time I wrote to the Health Ombudsman, so an excuse not to

investigate as the GP had retired.

I feel this could be happening again regarding a CPN.

Regarding the symptoms of knowing how much T3 to take. I have noticed some

palpitations on increasing T3 but they usually subside.

With dizziness, twice lately and one being this morning I have become dizzy

spending a penny and had to hold onto something.

Will do a different posting on FEET.

Kathleen

>

> You will know easily enough Kathleen. You will likely start to get

> palpitations, 'dire rear', feel spaced out, dizzy, sweaty, hyPER symptoms,

> agitated, unable to keep still and pretty rough all round. You will notice

> this happening very quickly after an increase in your dose, but it may take

> a few increases to reach that stage.

..

>

> It is the DOCTOR who has to take full responsibility when prescribing a drug

> that remains unlicensed, because if anything goes wrong, his medical

> insurance won't cover him should the patient try to make a claim against

> him.

November 30, 2011

The problem with seaweed and kelp is that they are bottom dwellers and all the

heavy metals fall to the bottom of the sea. This is one reason why we do not

suggest KELP supplements. But that being said, there isn't enough iodine in kelp

or seaweed to really help anyway. It may have helped 50 years ago when people

got most of their nutrients from their food, but these days it's just a drop in

the bucket. The problem of BROMIDE is something that must be considered now

also.. If your receptors are blocked (and all of ours are) than the iodine won't

be absorbed either way you get it into the body. This is why the iodine protocol

is so very important.

Anyone can test their iodine levels by simply buying a saturation test at the

pharmacy. (Also available on Amazon.com)...You should also buy a bromide

saturation test as well. I also find the paint test to work perfectly. No one

here that I know of, has had their iodine levels tested through a medical

advisor unless they pay for their own tests. Mostly people who take iodine

started doing this decades ago after reading the book, Folk Medicine. From

there, Brownstein and Abraham studied this in more detail and came up with the

protocol. But, Dr Jarvis (author of Folk Medicine) learned about the uses of

iodine from the people in his town. From there he went on to understand it's

uses better.

You can try to measure your levels, but I have never recommended this unless

they wanted too. It's not necessary unless you want to specifically measure your

improvement or progress. It's the symptoms of lack of iodine which show clearly.

One of the most important things Iodine does is maintain a healthy weight.

People have often used iodine for this purpose alone. It works with a healthy

diet to keep the pounds off.

Cheers,

JOT

> > Problem is JOT, we know that the UK (as many other countries in Europe) is

> > deficient in iodine, and the British Thyroid Association have recently done

> > a study that shows this, BUT - they refuse to test iodine levels as routine

>

> If some people have a family who grows veg in the garden, you could get fresh

seaweed dug into the soil to help replenish the minerals in the soil. It means

a trip to the seaside to gather it, you can buy extracts but they are expensive.

November 30, 2011

> Anyone can test their iodine levels by simply buying a saturation test at the

pharmacy. (Also available on Amazon.com)

is that the test where you paint your skin and see how long it remains? ...i

thought that test had been exposed as not valid and docs flechas and brownstein

now don't rate it as accurate/worthwhile/valid.

>But, Dr Jarvis (author of Folk Medicine) learned about the uses of iodine from

the people in his town. From there he went on to understand it's uses better.

is that sally's dad ...it would explain why she is very au fait with lots of

things

whilst on the subject of iodine, do you think it is addictive at all?

trish

>

> The problem with seaweed and kelp is that they are bottom dwellers and all the