Progress

October 1, 2004

MARIANNA I LOVE YOU! Your posts make me smile from ear to ear. But what is

the definition of MEANINGFUL progress?? Let me tell you about her data.

She did get a little concerned because there was not ANY data. Then she

came up with 6 weeks of data in one night. She just remembered what kind of

prompting was done from day one till now - 6 weeks later. The sad thing is

my teacher is actually wonderful. Masters in special ed. Specializing in

autism and really very sweet. BUT LET ME SAY THIS, SHE DOES NOT AN

EFFECTIVE AND COMPETENT SUPPORT STAFF FOR HER!!!! She needs someone to

consult with on a monthly basis! Currently she has , otherwise

known as 'slick'. OH Please. Oh and yes, nna they did want to change

goals because of minimal progress. I said NO, you just have not figured out

how to teach him. Have you tried ABA? That has been effective for him in

the past. Oh, wait, lets not listen to the parents, especially if they are

speaking the devils language.

nna, the sad thing is or the good thing however you want to think about

it, Mason is making progress because we have a home program. All of the

things he has learned has been in my home program. His only mastered goal

last year was " he will use 3 signs to communicate his needs " Well, I taught

him all of those signs. The signs the school tried to teach him he did not

learn, but they took credit for my three signs I taught him. Geeze. I hate

to say it, but I am waiting for my voucher. Don't know what I would do with

it, but I would sure like to get Mason out of public school. My options are

limited.

Hey, thanks for the smile nna. I sure did need it.

Liz.

On 10/1/04 2:44 PM, " Terry Bond " <mbond@...> wrote:

> Your child's teacher is full of bologna!

>

> Not only must students show progress, they must show MEANINGFUL

> progress, and there is not a " statute of limitations " like she is

> telling you.

>

> Does your teacher have some DATA to show you? I would be asking for

> DATA....and if data (if they have even bothered to collect any)

> doesn't demonstrate documented progress...well, he needs a change in

> methodology or placement. (Do not let them change the goals...usually

> when there is a documented lack of progress or even regression, the

> first thing they want to do is dumb down the goals. What needs to

> change is the methodology they are using to teach the goals!)

>

> You could easily have a win-able due process if there is no

> progression, particularly over a lengthy amount of time. I don't

> think six weeks alone will do it, but if there isn't some forward

> movement by the end of 12 weeks....plus you said he hadn't made

> progres in the past, either? Sounds like the district needs to do

> some serious changing.

>

> Have you documented all of this in writing to your special ed

> director and principal? Document, document, document!!!

>

> nna

>

>> I was told today by my child's teacher that the school can go for 2

> yrs

>> legally without progress???? Is that true??? I was concerned

> because my

>> child has not made any documented progress for the first six weeks

> of school

>> so, basically he is 'flunking' all of his subjects. If my typical

> child

>> came home with a report card that stated he flunked all of his

> subjects the

>> principle would be on the phone wondering what we could do. How

> can we help

>> see progress???? I just can't believe special ed can get away with

> not

>> having to prove progress on a 6 week basis, just like regular ed!

> nna,

>> I know you have something to say about this. Please pipe in. Liz.

>

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>

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>

> Autism-Awareness-Action

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> child with AUTISM.

>

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>

September 29, 2005

Great news, !!!

I hate shopping too, I would much rather spend my $$$

on books, music and workout videos/DVDs than clothing!

I'm an in-between size and height so it is almost

always impossible to find something that fits just

right without needing some kind of adjustment - and

I'm not a sew-er so things never do get fitted the way

they need to be unless I take them to a tailor.

Good going on the size reduction!! :>

Donna

--- Sprague <kittyn@...> wrote:

> Well my fat pants were falling off my waist so I

> tried on some other

> pants and they fit! They are still a size 10 but its

> an improvement and

> if I don't care if the fat pants fall a bit off my

> waist I now have 4

> pairs of pants that fit! I hate shopping and was

> getting desperate to

> wear something instead of sweats, so this is a good

> thing. I have 2

> pairs of fat pants and 2 pairs of 10s (and some

> sweats), the rest of my

> pants are 2/4/6s so I might buy a few pairs of pants

> when the 10s fall

> off. I really do hate shopping though. I'm short

> and live in the

> Netherlands where the word petite is unknown. In

> most American pants I

> wear medium length (because I'm all leg) but for

> Dutch pants the

> don't make them short enough for me. Anyway

> shopping is no fun with

> kids or men. Oh the best part is it is my TOM so I

> should be bloated so

> either I'm not bloated or I have lost more inches

> than I realized.

> Probably just not bloated, but its a good feeling.

>

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September 29, 2005

way to go wendy and i'm with you on the shopping!

I'm 'plus size' on an island with no plus size stores

i have to travel to the US to buy clothes! Its

annoying!

Kris

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September 29, 2005

WTG , that is great!

Congrats!

Darcy

progress

Well my fat pants were falling off my waist so I tried on some other pants and they fit! They are still a size 10 but its an improvement and if I don't care if the fat pants fall a bit off my waist I now have 4 pairs of pants that fit! I hate shopping and was getting desperate to wear something instead of sweats, so this is a good thing. I have 2 pairs of fat pants and 2 pairs of 10s (and some sweats), the rest of my pants are 2/4/6s so I might buy a few pairs of pants when the 10s fall off. I really do hate shopping though. I'm short and live in the Netherlands where the word petite is unknown. In most American pants I wear medium length (because I'm all leg) but for Dutch pants the don't make them short enough for me. Anyway shopping is no fun with kids or men. Oh the best part is it is my TOM so I should be bloated so either I'm not bloated or I have lost more inches than I realized. Probably just not bloated, but its a good feeling.

September 30, 2005

At 10:55 AM 9/29/2005, Sprague wrote:

>Well my fat pants were falling off my waist so I tried on some other

>pants and they fit!

whoo-hoo!!! gotta love that!! way to go wendy!

:*carolyn.

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March 23, 2006

Summer, that is great! It is wonderful that you are so motivated and

seeing positive results. Congratulations!

I know what you mean about, 'those outside bfl'. Here is something I

won't share with most people (anyone?), but I will with this board:

today at the gym I was doing leg presses. In the mirror I could see

(a) my quad/calf muscles flexing, and ( no cottage cheese on the

under side of my thigh while I did this. This is a change from when I

started in early Jan and a big deal for me! Woo-hoo!! ;-)

> My flexed bicep is *finally* bigger than my unflexed! And my

resting pulse

> is 65 :0)

April 22, 2006

Sorry but this is going to seem like a hard attack to some of you, but its not supposed to be. I am interested in hearing the responses though.

Every profession that I see avails itself of modern technology. The guys who sell me print ads for newspaper advertising can whup out a graphic design in minutes that might have taken hours of cut and paste 20 years ago - by using computer technology. The guy who works on my car has diagnostics and tools that were not available 50 years ago - and as a result my car is faster, smoother and quieter. Medical doctors have tools that can peer in cracks and crevices heretofore unseen, - they can keep a premature baby alive at 24 weeks (which was unthinkable not too long ago), and can dialyze blood thereby keeping patients with kidney failure alive and many other things. The average graphic designer, MD, pilot, mechanic can all do things beyond the imagination of people in the same profession 100 years ago (if you can call any pilot or mechanic 100 years ago average as they were budding technologies that are now common place through acceptance and advancement).

Records from Palmer college show that over 100 years ago DD Palmer was a maverick and invested in one of the first x-ray units to observe the skeletal anatomy. He also used phonocardiographs (like an early echocardiograph), EKGs and various blood tests to diagnose and evaluate the changes that occured with chiropractic treatments. He was a doctor that treated patiens who also had disease.

Here we a 100 years later. How many chiropractors do any of us know that use EKG, blood tests - that diagnose or treat patients with disease. How many of us/you have had anyone come to us for disease in the past 1-5 years. Having worked with the ACA council on Diagnosis and Family Practice I had EKG, Doppler ultrasound, lung spirometry in my office and routinely sent patients for blood tests. Doing acupuncture I often had people come to me for problems other than simple uncomplicated pain. Even after I sold my practice about a year ago, I still had patients call me for help with conditions complicated by diabetes etc. But this is not the norm.

Why? If the average guy in most professions outpaces the best of the best from 100 years ago, why doesn't the average DC outpace the best of he best from 100 years ago? Or does he? or is it necessary?

1) Do we need diagnosis?

2) Do we need to affect disease?

3) Do we need technology?

To me if you answer yes to # 2 then you have to answer yes to #3 (if our treatments can have an effect on blood sugar for example, doesn't that have to be monitored?).

For legal reasons I am not saying chiropractors treat disease, but treatments can have an effect on disease.

Have we progressed in the past 100 years, and why or why not???

Anglen

April 22, 2006

On Apr 22, 2006, at 9:00 AM, ang320@... wrote:

> If the average guy in most professions outpaces the best of the best

> from 100 years ago, why doesn't the average DC outpace the best of he

> best from 100 years ago? Or does he? or is it necessary?

>

> 1) Do we need diagnosis?

> 2) Do we need to affect disease?

> 3) Do we need technology?

Hi Lindsey,

Interesting enquiry. I wonder if you're timing has anything to do with

the recent spate of professional pride on the forum as we struggle

through the worker comp strategies? Please consider any anti-medico

hyperbole in those threads as the harmless chest beating it is as we

drum up our enthusiasm for reclaiming chiropractic integrity for

injured workers.

Your take, that professions evolve over time, is well taken. That may

also be said of civilization collectively, although everyone is able to

point to examples of de-evolution in individual circumstances. This

tendency to evolve over time has less to do with the profession, or

groups of like kinds themselves, than with the innate capacity of

humanity to live outside of the laws of nature. We are the only

animals with this capacity for creative free will: we can live under

the sea, we can fly through the sky, we can gather all of the important

events of the day into one place and watch them at 7pm. Humans can

bring things out of the darkness into the light; and in this regard, we

(unlike any other earthly animals) may say that we are made in the

image of God. Isn't this what we are talking about when we speak of

professional, or human, progress?

Chiropractic, a science and art of using human touch for the betterment

of humanity, is unique among health care professions. We have

developed technologies over the years to enhance and further our

capacities for helping others. That we may have evolved into more of a

NMS specialty does not diminish us from the broad practice Of DD or

anyone else. Knowledge is furthered by reductive analysis; we've

simply found a niche within health care that is well suited to our

manual traditions. That we are not all drawing blood or measuring

vital capacities does not suggest that we have devolved since Dr.

Palmer's time. On the contrary, I would suggest that our emphasis on

human touch and intimate doctor/patient rapport is an experiential

ground for wonderfully beneficial healing insights into the human

condition collectively and the pressing needs of individuals. Every

profession has members who work for money, just as each has members

devoted to human needs. (I know maintenance workers who pick up

cigarette butts in the spirit of service to others.)

i think chiropractic has an abundance of those committed to serving

humanity. I think it is particularly blessed in this regard in part

because of the unique nature of the profession. I would also suggest

that it is precisely this commitment to humanity that drives our

professional progress. Who would image a hundred years ago that a

chiropractor could intentionally impose her will on a patient

telepathically and alter the course of that patient's allergy

suffering? (As just an example that comes to mind locally...)

Progress may look different than the hardware of hard science, but

insight into the human condition is not limited to the analysis of

bodily fluids. Perhaps human insight is more closely aligned to the

quality of human interactions.

Finally, professional progress is best measured by the progress of each

of it's individual members as they improve their abilities over time.

I know personally that I can get people better now that I couldn't when

I started practicing, and that I can do that more rapidly than I could

earlier. I also know that sometimes the intimate circumstances of my

practice allow me insight to say and do things with another that

changes their life. No one will ever write these minor miracles up for

peer review, but in the large scheme of things it feels like a powerful

connection. Who's to say that this in not progress?

As to your direct questions: Y, Y (if we include dis-ease), Y (but less

than other disciplines, although tools can be helpful).

Cheers,

Sears

PDX

April 23, 2006

In a message dated 4/23/2006 10:25:11 AM US Mountain Standard Time, skrndc1@... writes:

On this one I agree with you . I do diagnose and treat disease...from a structrural and nutritional avenue.

Maybe this is why we bump heads so often - we are too similar.

Anglen

April 25, 2006

"For legal reasons I am not saying chiropractors treat disease, but treatments can have an effect on disease."

Perhaps that is why many don't come to us for these diseases. If we don't treat disease, why would they come to us for that specific disease. Educating our patients to maintain a subluxation free spine in order for their body to helpitself heal is where we need to progress. Comanaging more cases is where we need to progress. The technology is there and ALL of us use it. Advanced MRI and Digital imaging, more accurate blood analysis what have you. Even if we don't have all these tools in our offices they are available upon need. Progress in our field is everywhere. More advanced tables, diagnostic equipment, knowledge etc. etc. Just think of all we know now that was just an inkling or not even on the radar back then.

The cool thing about chiro (which is why I went into it) is that these technologies aren't necessary to practice effectively. There is an art to healing with the hands that is timeless and priceless. I personally, despite techn. advances, wish not to be in a lab coat with 6 or 7 machines behind me beeping and buzzing and rattling and rolling like some kind of labratory. Again, the freedom of being a chiropractor is why I chose it over medicine.

Dr. ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1627 NE Alberta St. #6Portland, OR 97211Ph: 503-788-6800c: 503-889-6204

Re: FW: Progress

Sorry but this is going to seem like a hard attack to some of you, but its not supposed to be. I am interested in hearing the responses though.Every profession that I see avails itself of modern technology. The guys who sell me print ads for newspaper advertising can whup out a graphic design in minutes that might have taken hours of cut and paste 20 years ago - by using computer technology. The guy who works on my car has diagnostics and tools that were not available 50 years ago - and as a result my car is faster, smoother and quieter. Medical doctors have tools that can peer in cracks and crevices heretofore unseen, - they can keep a premature baby alive at 24 weeks (which was unthinkable not too long ago), and can dialyze blood thereby keeping patients with kidney failure alive and many other things. The average graphic designer, MD, pilot, mechanic can all do things beyond the imagination of people in the same profession 100 years ago (if you can call any pilot or mechanic 100 years ago average as they were budding technologies that are now common place through acceptance and advancement).Records from Palmer college show that over 100 years ago DD Palmer was a maverick and invested in one of the first x-ray units to observe the skeletal anatomy. He also used phonocardiographs (like an early echocardiograph), EKGs and various blood tests to diagnose and evaluate the changes that occured with chiropractic treatments. He was a doctor that treated patiens who also had disease. Here we a 100 years later. How many chiropractors do any of us know that use EKG, blood tests - that diagnose or treat patients with disease. How many of us/you have had anyone come to us for disease in the past 1-5 years. Having worked with the ACA council on Diagnosis and Family Practice I had EKG, Doppler ultrasound, lung spirometry in my office and routinely sent patients for blood tests. Doing acupuncture I often had people come to me for problems other than simple uncomplicated pain. Even after I sold my practice about a year ago, I still had patients call me for help with conditions complicated by diabetes etc. But this is not the norm.Why? If the average guy in most professions outpaces the best of the best from 100 years ago, why doesn't the average DC outpace the best of he best from 100 years ago? Or does he? or is it necessary?1) Do we need diagnosis?2) Do we need to affect disease?3) Do we need technology?To me if you answer yes to # 2 then you have to answer yes to #3 (if our treatments can have an effect on blood sugar for example, doesn't that have to be monitored?).For legal reasons I am not saying chiropractors treat disease, but treatments can have an effect on disease.Have we progressed in the past 100 years, and why or why not??? Anglen

July 18, 2007

Hello Jan and All,

I still find it fascinating how the scoby reproduces!!! Last night i managed

to harvest some more KT and I now have just 2 large pitchers brewing.

ine

jan <jpos123@...> wrote:

I was just fiddling around in the kitchen getting my mini brew started

and took a peek at my gallon brew " with my glasses on " . I noticed the

baby (which is on top of the mommy scoby) is sinking a bit and then I

noticed that what I thought was the baby just enlarging itself to fit

the jar is actually another scoby forming. I'm so excited! LOL I only

started it Fri. night, the 13th, I didn't think it would happen so

quickly.

And ewwwww, I saw a fruit fly (or vinegar fly, whatever) lurking

about. grrrr I have my other scoby waiting there, still in baggies (3

altogether) but getting air. I don't think he found his way in there,

though. I can't wait until the tea is done brewing (and cooled) and

the sugar dissolved to get the scoby safely in the jar.

jan

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September 5, 2007

, I am glad you've apparently seen a doctor that understands

achalasia enough to answer questions before they are ask. Many

here have not been that lucky.

I have not used Dr. Rice and can't speak with personal knowledge.

but I don't think you can go wrong using Dr. Rice. Many from this

board have used him and I have not heard one bad word about

him in the 7 years I've been a member here.

Your son will probably need an pediatric surgeon as well.

I'm sure The Cleveland Clinic would have one recommended

by Dr. Rice. Caroline of this board wrote an excellent email

about this to another parent once and I'm sure she will not

object to me posting that portion of her e-mail here for you

to read. Her email will be the blue font below and is message

# 40452 if you'd care to read the entire mail.

Good Luck,

Maggie

Pediatric Surgeons along side the Adult Surgeons

What about the Children?

Children always have a Pediatic team, no matter who you go to. Why? Think of it this way, You would never have your 5 year old brush their teeth with a full size toothbrush.. Their mouth is just not big enough..

Same with the Surgeons... on such a delicate and important surgery, it is important to have the "Right Sized Tools" From the Catheters, to Bandaging to Ventilators, Blood pressure monitors.. wow..all the tools... are pediatric sized tools. Some are infant, toddler, youth and adolescent. Children are not adults and their parts are not adult sized.

As you narrow your search, you then add a tier to your questioning...

Who is the Pediatric Surgeon you will be working with. They usually have someone in mind. Ask for their information.

The Pediatric Surgeon will more than likely be the Chief of Surgery

What experience do you have?

I would then certainly call or email them

The Hands of the Chief of Peds Surgery will be the hands of someone who is familiar with working on little people. Their teams are experienced with the territory of small children. This is different from adults...

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September 5, 2007

Maggie, Thanks for your input. I am confident the issue will be resolved. I only wish it was resolved already, but with the help of the group, I am confident. Impatient, but confident. As a parent, I hate to see my child uncomfortable. I will count the days until Adam, his mom and I meet with the first surgeon to discuss options, qualifications, recommendations, etc. I will continue to read posts for valuable insights and information. Once again, thanks to all.

in ABQ

Re: progress

, I am glad you've apparently seen a doctor that understands

achalasia enough to answer questions before they are ask. Many

here have not been that lucky.

I have not used Dr. Rice and can't speak with personal knowledge.

but I don't think you can go wrong using Dr. Rice. Many from this

board have used him and I have not heard one bad word about

him in the 7 years I've been a member here.

Your son will probably need an pediatric surgeon as well.

I'm sure The Cleveland Clinic would have one recommended

by Dr. Rice. Caroline of this board wrote an excellent email

about this to another parent once and I'm sure she will not

object to me posting that portion of her e-mail here for you

to read. Her email will be the blue font below and is message

# 40452 if you'd care to read the entire mail.

Good Luck,

Maggie

Pediatric Surgeons along side the Adult Surgeons

What about the Children?

Children always have a Pediatic team, no matter who you go to. Why? Think of it this way, You would never have your 5 year old brush their teeth with a full size toothbrush.. Their mouth is just not big enough..

Same with the Surgeons... on such a delicate and important surgery, it is important to have the "Right Sized Tools" From the Catheters, to Bandaging to Ventilators, Blood pressure monitors.. wow..all the tools... are pediatric sized tools. Some are infant, toddler, youth and adolescent. Children are not adults and their parts are not adult sized.

As you narrow your search, you then add a tier to your questioning...

Who is the Pediatric Surgeon you will be working with. They usually have someone in mind. Ask for their information.

The Pediatric Surgeon will more than likely be the Chief of Surgery

What experience do you have?

I would then certainly call or email them

The Hands of the Chief of Peds Surgery will be the hands of someone who is familiar with working on little people. Their teams are experienced with the territory of small children. This is different from adults...

.....

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March 5, 2009

Yeah, I hadn't gotten bites in a while, but recently noticed a couple recent

bites. These are different however, almost like itchy blisters? Anyone have

experience with these?

>

> I was feeling so hopeful these last few days, I was not having any symptoms at

all. I thought this was it! but i switched to the new hope 2 products to really

hit it hard and cement their demise. So now i have the crawlies again....bummer!

I guess its cleaning more out... its good because it feels like when i started

on the new hope products in the first place...creepy and crawlie. So i know i

know its working, and they are on the run, and eventually it will die down..

> Also full moon coming up...i plan on hitting the sauna hard to stop the crazy

breeding.

> Good Luck all

> Holly

>

March 5, 2009

Do these blisters take a while to heal (longer than normal)? And also have you tried to lint roller to your skin yet?Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 5, 2009, at 12:26 PM, "sfcrawler" <twistedtb@...> wrote:

Yeah, I hadn't gotten bites in a while, but recently noticed a couple recent bites. These are different however, almost like itchy blisters? Anyone have experience with these?

>

> I was feeling so hopeful these last few days, I was not having any symptoms at all. I thought this was it! but i switched to the new hope 2 products to really hit it hard and cement their demise. So now i have the crawlies again....bummer! I guess its cleaning more out... its good because it feels like when i started on the new hope products in the first place...creepy and crawlie. So i know i know its working, and they are on the run, and eventually it will die down..

> Also full moon coming up...i plan on hitting the sauna hard to stop the crazy breeding.

> Good Luck all

> Holly

>

March 5, 2009

yes, the blisters do seem to take a bit longer to heal. they heal quicker when i

dry them out with Gold Bond powder.

No, I haven't tried the lint roller yet. What does that do for me?

> >

> > I was feeling so hopeful these last few days, I was not having any symptoms

at all. I thought this was it! but i switched to the new hope 2 products to

really hit it hard and cement their demise. So now i have the crawlies

again....bummer! I guess its cleaning more out... its good because it feels like

when i started on the new hope products in the first place...creepy and crawlie.

So i know i know its working, and they are on the run, and eventually it will

die down..

> > Also full moon coming up...i plan on hitting the sauna hard to stop the

crazy breeding.

> > Good Luck all

> > Holly

> >

>

March 5, 2009

Well when you get one tool your leg and and look real close at the brush after. If you see fmsmall fibers then you may have fiber mites and bird or rodent mites. If you don't see any then you just may have birds mites. Yes the FAQ on the group page is right you should have a expert look at some sampels to find out for sure what you have.. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 5, 2009, at 1:58 PM, "sfcrawler" <twistedtb@...> wrote:

yes, the blisters do seem to take a bit longer to heal. they heal quicker when i dry them out with Gold Bond powder.

No, I haven't tried the lint roller yet. What does that do for me?

> >

> > I was feeling so hopeful these last few days, I was not having any symptoms at all. I thought this was it! but i switched to the new hope 2 products to really hit it hard and cement their demise. So now i have the crawlies again....bummer! I guess its cleaning more out... its good because it feels like when i started on the new hope products in the first place...creepy and crawlie. So i know i know its working, and they are on the run, and eventually it will die down..

> > Also full moon coming up...i plan on hitting the sauna hard to stop the crazy breeding.

> > Good Luck all

> > Holly

> >

>

July 26, 2009

Holly....I know this is going to sound like......one more thing......and I know how that feels after all you and I have tried.....but there is a heat treated boric acid that instantly dissolves in water. I use it every day in my washing machine and we spray our yard with it. It can be sprayed with just a regular garden yard sprayer that we bought at Lowes. Since the heat treated BA is meant to be used in water as a mop-up solution it can be sprayed under trailers, to drench mulched flower beds....and to saturate concrete driveways and patios. Hang in there.....this damn fight seems to never end. Rita

Progress

Hi all Holly here. My dad is clear of the bugs now, whew. Im the one they love now. So im still doing the battle, but without some of my important tools that im missing so much. Mostly my oven for baking clothes, (were in a trailer..gas oven..) i just cant seem to get them clear in the washers here. Using the microwave, but i dont know. Im just so tired of the fight. I had to strip our truck down to metal because nothing i tried worked, i guess they were pretty deeply infested after 5 days in it. We cant use it until we get some seats for it. I also feel like they are on the concrete driveway, sprayed with bifen, but no luck, trying RP. I hope this ends soon! Will keep posted. Holly

July 27, 2009

What isle do you find this on? The only ones that I have seen are the very small bottles for roach control? What is it called?

From: Rita and Mike Carlson <m.r.carlson@...>Subject: Re: Progressbird mites Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 10:51 PM

Holly....I know this is going to sound like......one more thing......and I know how that feels after all you and I have tried.....but there is a heat treated boric acid that instantly dissolves in water. I use it every day in my washing machine and we spray our yard with it. It can be sprayed with just a regular garden yard sprayer that we bought at Lowes. Since the heat treated BA is meant to be used in water as a mop-up solution it can be sprayed under trailers, to drench mulched flower beds....and to saturate concrete driveways and patios. Hang in there.....this damn fight seems to never end. Rita

Progress

Hi all Holly here. My dad is clear of the bugs now, whew. Im the one they love now. So im still doing the battle, but without some of my important tools that im missing so much. Mostly my oven for baking clothes, (were in a trailer..gas oven..) i just cant seem to get them clear in the washers here. Using the microwave, but i dont know. Im just so tired of the fight. I had to strip our truck down to metal because nothing i tried worked, i guess they were pretty deeply infested after 5 days in it. We cant use it until we get some seats for it. I also feel like they are on the concrete driveway, sprayed with bifen, but no luck, trying RP. I hope this ends soon! Will keep posted. Holly

July 27, 2009

Rita, you know better than anyone how frustrating this thing can be, but we can

and we will. Its only a matter of time. When i read about that lady sitting

there without even an itch after 5 years, i got motivated again. Please tell me

where to get the HTBA.

Love you Rita.

Holly

>

> Holly....I know this is going to sound like......one more thing......and I

know how that feels after all you and I have tried.....but there is a heat

treated boric acid that instantly dissolves in water. I use it every day in my

washing machine and we spray our yard with it. It can be sprayed with just a

regular garden yard sprayer that we bought at Lowes. Since the heat treated BA

is meant to be used in water as a mop-up solution it can be sprayed under

trailers, to drench mulched flower beds....and to saturate concrete driveways

and patios. Hang in there.....this damn fight seems to never end. Rita

>

> Progress

>

> Hi all Holly here. My dad is clear of the bugs now, whew. Im the one they

love now. So im still doing the battle, but without some of my important tools

that im missing so much. Mostly my oven for baking clothes, (were in a

trailer..gas oven..) i just cant seem to get them clear in the washers here.

Using the microwave, but i dont know. Im just so tired of the fight. I had to

strip our truck down to metal because nothing i tried worked, i guess they were

pretty deeply infested after 5 days in it. We cant use it until we get some

seats for it. I also feel like they are on the concrete driveway, sprayed with

bifen, but no luck, trying RP. I hope this ends soon! Will keep posted.

> Holly

>

July 27, 2009

Hi Holly

I am A Stone mason & I use muratic acid on concrete to clean it . I am sure it

kills anything it touches.

I mix 1 gallon Muratic acid ( 4.99 at Ace Hardware ) & 2 gallons water in A

Chapin sprayer , I wet the concrete first , then soak the concrete withthe acid

mix & let sit for 10 mins then rinse well .

Follow up applications every day od epsom salt & borax 1 cup each per gallon

kills all bugs

I too have a one van that is hard to kill the bugs permanetly in ,it was one

of my 1st infested vans I have been trying for years . ( I only treat it every

month, I never drive it , I only poison t with windex, c02 oil, antifreeze ,

borax power all over it , bleach & ammonia in buckets It might be frre no , I a

to afraid to get in it , I should of replaced the van for all the work &

poisons I have put in it . My new vans are easy to keep bug free with gassings

weekly & epsom water daily ( 1 cup 4 cups water , I rinse it & wipe it every 3

days it is easy & safe to touch ) The epsom dries to a crust & locks down the

hatchlings easily , it can & #39;t be beat . I pick u new bugs at the parks, wood,

docks , friends ? so Best to use safe things since it is in the environment. I

rarely get bit . If I do Peroxide /borax/ water mix kills it right away.

God bless you,

Bill

ps I boil my clothes as soon as I take them off in a big pot with 2 bricks on

clothes & lid on top with 2 clorox bottles on lid for 2 hrs , then wash in 1 cu

borax & 1/4 cup dawn , it is so sure & safe . The laundry room I bleached for

1 year straight ,now I onl sprinkle borax ppowder in the room & never get bit

in the shared laundry room at the apt.

Holly wrote:

>

> Rita, you know better than anyone how frustrating this thing

can be, but we can and we will. Its only a matter of time. When i read about

that lady sitting there without even an itch after 5 years, i got motivated

again. Please tell me where to get the HTBA.

> Love you Rita.

> Holly

>

>>

>> Holly....I know this is going to sound like......one more thing......and I

know how that feels after all you and I have tried.....but there is a heat

treated boric acid that instantly dissolves in water. I use it every day in my

washing machine and we spray our yard with it. It can be sprayed with just a

regular garden yard sprayer that we bought at Lowes. Since the heat treated BA

is meant to be used in water as a mop-up solution it can be sprayed under

trailers, to drench mulched flower beds....and to saturate concrete driveways

and patios. Hang in there.....this damn fight seems to never end. Rita

>>

>> Progress

>>

>> Hi all Holly here. My dad is clear of the bugs now, whew. Im the one they