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Yes,We could learn from them!!!!!!!!!

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From: " livingwithcritters " <kajay109@...>

bird mites

Subject: Re: progress

Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 04:39:19 -0000

If we are what we eat, then the omnivorous turkey are grasshoppers and dogwood

berries, which results in a very clean taste to the meat.

love,

katie

> >  

> > The first thing I want to say is that I seldom have time to read

everything here, so I am behind on the science. I am so glad that my feeble

efforts at scientific investigation are moot, which is why I have stopped

maintaining (paying for) the online resources I had posted when we were still in

our " dark ages. "

> > What I do maintain is the resources that don't cost me money, namely, the

critterfiles library, which is outdated but still has some good stuff, and the

memorials I mentioned in an earlier post tonight.

> > My focus now is to continue with what is working for me:

> > After the bioactive chitinase I drizzled over my body after a shower caused

the exit of thousands of squares of gelatinous material (was that the bio-film,

do you think?) within about 15 minutes of applying the chitinase, my critters

have been biting more--and more meanly--than ever. That includes more shedding

everywhere. I still have to wear long sleeves and rubber boots at home to

prevent reinfection from sheds, HOWEVER, thanks to the benzoyl peroxide and

salicylic acid combo I'm using on my skin (DermaPet shampoo, formerly

Dermabenss, about 59.99 / gallon) my bites are smaller and smaller, and when I

use my lice comb, I get less and less off my scalp. So it is working!

> > I have not yet succeeded in becoming unattractive to the critters, and

there are several things I have read here that I either have already ordered or

plan to order as I have the bucks.

> > Also, after I dropped my Pink Oil/benzalchonium chloride/herbal insect

repellent from my regimen, I got, for the first time, what Bill calls

Twizzlers (good name). Also, I was getting bitten horribly throughout the day

(smaller, due to the BP shampoo, as mentioned above, but more and meaner

bites). I restarted the Pink Oil mixture and the reinfection dropped to nearly

nothing. The mixture is good for about 10 hours, then I have to shower and start

over. Also, the twizzlers went away. What helped with them was applying the

Clobetasol Propionate (prescription steroid gel) to the spots. On a good day,

when I apply that gel, whatever was biting me comes out. It doesn't always work,

but fortunately whatever was causing these feelings was close enough to the

surface, not as deep as I thought, because after that--no more twizzling.

> > I still take the seabuckthorn berry oil internally at least a dropperful

daily. I also take (and have for several months) 340 mg of oregano oil daily,

and have just started taking about the same amount of Interfase Plus, a

chitinase that is often prescribed (though I don't know the science behind it)

for autism, according to the website where it is sold.

> > The seabuckthorn berry oil helps prevent lesions and once I have them, to

reduce the inflammation in them, and help them heal. The BP is slower, but only

requires one application and the lesions are on their way to gone, whereas I

have to reapply the SBT berry oil.

> > It is turkey season, and I am a hunter, and I have lucked up on a lease

that has blinds on every food plot, portable cloth blinds that zip up and keep

things out. So I can turkey hunt again, in a comfortable chair, rather than

sitting against trees on the ground where everything in the world got on me.

This past weekend I called in a bird for the woman who invited me onto this

lease, her first bird, and it was such a pleasure to be outdoors, but protected,

and able to enjoy my sport without fear of being swarmed. Of course I wore bug

juice anyway! Then, when she got her bird, we both put on disposable gloves

and put the whole bird in a giant ziploc bag with ice so it didn't infect my

car. We took it to the club lodge, where her husband and a friend of mine, who

is a hunting guide, got to see it and hear her story, and the friend gutted it

and then put it back into the ziploc without questioning my use of it (he knows

I have morg).

> > After turkey season, I've scheduled a purge, starting with my garage, where

we track things in. It goes back to the old story about sweeping the front stoop

first, otherwise cleaning inside is kind of pointless. Then I will clean the

other areas where we come into the house and start inside. I've read some

terrific advice here about cleaning ductwork and I've always known that I had to

do something about the expansion joints and gaps under molding. I'll finish off

by yanking the carpets and putting down smooth flooring. I despise cold tiles,

so I will probably do the radiant (under tile) heat thing. Actually I'm not

crazy about tiles anyway, so I may go with what I love, which is sheet vinyl. It

is the least maintenance (to me) in the short run, though it must be replaced

more often than tile.

> > Have any of you posted a comprehensive list all in one place of what all to

do to a house?

> > Thank you, all of you, for what you have taught me and shared of

yourselves here.

> > love, katie

> >

>

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yep,They love the floor,cracks crevices...Glad my potbelly stove sprung some

holes...too many bugggggs on the wood

--- no_reply wrote:

From: tonysvenson <no_reply >

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Subject: Re: progress

Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 04:45:03 -0000

Hi Kate, I live in the country. Peeps like to experiment here. One neighbor uses

electrical radiant floor heat for his front door entry and its worked for years.

He said if he had druthers he'd prefer water. electric is more like a spot

heater you really don't want to use it in your whole house, just small areas,

mostly because it's more expensive than other radiant types. Most peeps in this

area using it go for water radiant heat because it's cheaper and gives better

heat. The water retains the heat in the tubes unlike electircity. Plus think

about the electro magnetic problem with these bugs maybe the last thing we need

is electricity in the subfloor driving into a frenzy. Right now if I had the

funds I'd go with water radiant. The water runs through plastic tubes in the

subfloor. I think your smart to rip up your floor and try to treat the subloor

It seems to me the floor is a TOTAL source of problems. I just know these SOB's

are lurking under there like total cowards. I am totally screwed with a lot of

wood flooring in this old house. It has small spaces between planks know they

under there just waiting for their chance to chew up my feet. really if I had

enough money I would just get the hell out of this hell hole permanently and

move to another house or something but I can't afford to move. There's too many

in my house God knows how they got here. Tony

> >

> >

> > The first thing I want to say is that I seldom have time to read

> > everything here, so I am behind on the science. I am so glad that my

> > feeble efforts at scientific investigation are moot, which is why I have

> > stopped maintaining (paying for) the online resources I had posted when

> > we were still in our " dark ages. "

> >

> > What I do maintain is the resources that don't cost me money, namely,

> > the critterfiles library, which is outdated but still has some good

> > stuff, and the memorials I mentioned in an earlier post tonight.

> >

> > My focus now is to continue with what is working for me:

> >

> > After the bioactive chitinase I drizzled over my body after a shower

> > caused the exit of thousands of squares of gelatinous material (was that

> > the bio-film, do you think?) within about 15 minutes of applying the

> > chitinase, my critters have been biting more--and more meanly--than

> > ever. That includes more shedding everywhere. I still have to wear long

> > sleeves and rubber boots at home to prevent reinfection from sheds,

> > HOWEVER, thanks to the benzoyl peroxide and salicylic acid combo I'm

> > using on my skin (DermaPet shampoo, formerly Dermabenss, about 59.99 /

> > gallon) my bites are smaller and smaller, and when I use my lice comb, I

> > get less and less off my scalp. So it is working!

> >

> > I have not yet succeeded in becoming unattractive to the critters, and

> > there are several things I have read here that I either have already

> > ordered or plan to order as I have the bucks.

> >

> > Also, after I dropped my Pink Oil/benzalchonium chloride/herbal insect

> > repellent from my regimen, I got, for the first time, what Bill calls

> > Twizzlers (good name). Also, I was getting bitten horribly throughout

> > the day (smaller, due to the BP shampoo, as mentioned above, but more

> > and meaner bites). I restarted the Pink Oil mixture and the reinfection

> > dropped to nearly nothing. The mixture is good for about 10 hours, then

> > I have to shower and start over. Also, the twizzlers went away. What

> > helped with them was applying the Clobetasol Propionate (prescription

> > steroid gel) to the spots. On a good day, when I apply that gel,

> > whatever was biting me comes out. It doesn't always work, but

> > fortunately whatever was causing these feelings was close enough to the

> > surface, not as deep as I thought, because after that--no more

> > twizzling.

> >

> > I still take the seabuckthorn berry oil internally at least a dropperful

> > daily. I also take (and have for several months) 340 mg of oregano oil

> > daily, and have just started taking about the same amount of Interfase

> > Plus, a chitinase that is often prescribed (though I don't know the

> > science behind it) for autism, according to the website where it is

> > sold.

> >

> > The seabuckthorn berry oil helps prevent lesions and once I have them,

> > to reduce the inflammation in them, and help them heal. The BP is

> > slower, but only requires one application and the lesions are on their

> > way to gone, whereas I have to reapply the SBT berry oil.

> >

> > It is turkey season, and I am a hunter, and I have lucked up on a lease

> > that has blinds on every food plot, portable cloth blinds that zip up

> > and keep things out. So I can turkey hunt again, in a comfortable chair,

> > rather than sitting against trees on the ground where everything in the

> > world got on me. This past weekend I called in a bird for the woman who

> > invited me onto this lease, her first bird, and it was such a pleasure

> > to be outdoors, but protected, and able to enjoy my sport without fear

> > of being swarmed. Of course I wore bug juice anyway! Then, when she got

> > her bird, we both put on disposable gloves and put the whole bird in a

> > giant ziploc bag with ice so it didn't infect my car. We took it to the

> > club lodge, where her husband and a friend of mine, who is a hunting

> > guide, got to see it and hear her story, and the friend gutted it and

> > then put it back into the ziploc without questioning my use of it (he

> > knows I have morg).

> >

> > After turkey season, I've scheduled a purge, starting with my garage,

> > where we track things in. It goes back to the old story about sweeping

> > the front stoop first, otherwise cleaning inside is kind of pointless.

> > Then I will clean the other areas where we come into the house and start

> > inside. I've read some terrific advice here about cleaning ductwork and

> > I've always known that I had to do something about the expansion joints

> > and gaps under molding. I'll finish off by yanking the carpets and

> > putting down smooth flooring. I despise cold tiles, so I will probably

> > do the radiant (under tile) heat thing. Actually I'm not crazy about

> > tiles anyway, so I may go with what I love, which is sheet vinyl. It is

> > the least maintenance (to me) in the short run, though it must be

> > replaced more often than tile.

> >

> > Have any of you posted a comprehensive list all in one place of what all

> > to do to a house?

> >

> > Thank you, all of you, for what you have taught me and shared of

> > yourselves here.

> >

> > love,

> > katie

> >

>

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oh man I didn't know Kate and katie were seperate peeps. I'm sorry about that i

will be more careful with my spelling and whatnot in the future. Tony

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The first thing I want to say is that I seldom have time to read

> > > > everything here, so I am behind on the science. I am so glad that my

> > > > feeble efforts at scientific investigation are moot, which is why I have

> > > > stopped maintaining (paying for) the online resources I had posted when

> > > > we were still in our " dark ages. "

> > > >

> > > > What I do maintain is the resources that don't cost me money, namely,

> > > > the critterfiles library, which is outdated but still has some good

> > > > stuff, and the memorials I mentioned in an earlier post tonight.

> > > >

> > > > My focus now is to continue with what is working for me:

> > > >

> > > > After the bioactive chitinase I drizzled over my body after a shower

> > > > caused the exit of thousands of squares of gelatinous material (was that

> > > > the bio-film, do you think?) within about 15 minutes of applying the

> > > > chitinase, my critters have been biting more--and more meanly--than

> > > > ever. That includes more shedding everywhere. I still have to wear long

> > > > sleeves and rubber boots at home to prevent reinfection from sheds,

> > > > HOWEVER, thanks to the benzoyl peroxide and salicylic acid combo I'm

> > > > using on my skin (DermaPet shampoo, formerly Dermabenss, about 59.99 /

> > > > gallon) my bites are smaller and smaller, and when I use my lice comb, I

> > > > get less and less off my scalp. So it is working!

> > > >

> > > > I have not yet succeeded in becoming unattractive to the critters, and

> > > > there are several things I have read here that I either have already

> > > > ordered or plan to order as I have the bucks.

> > > >

> > > > Also, after I dropped my Pink Oil/benzalchonium chloride/herbal insect

> > > > repellent from my regimen, I got, for the first time, what Bill calls

> > > > Twizzlers (good name). Also, I was getting bitten horribly throughout

> > > > the day (smaller, due to the BP shampoo, as mentioned above, but more

> > > > and meaner bites). I restarted the Pink Oil mixture and the reinfection

> > > > dropped to nearly nothing. The mixture is good for about 10 hours, then

> > > > I have to shower and start over. Also, the twizzlers went away. What

> > > > helped with them was applying the Clobetasol Propionate (prescription

> > > > steroid gel) to the spots. On a good day, when I apply that gel,

> > > > whatever was biting me comes out. It doesn't always work, but

> > > > fortunately whatever was causing these feelings was close enough to the

> > > > surface, not as deep as I thought, because after that--no more

> > > > twizzling.

> > > >

> > > > I still take the seabuckthorn berry oil internally at least a dropperful

> > > > daily. I also take (and have for several months) 340 mg of oregano oil

> > > > daily, and have just started taking about the same amount of Interfase

> > > > Plus, a chitinase that is often prescribed (though I don't know the

> > > > science behind it) for autism, according to the website where it is

> > > > sold.

> > > >

> > > > The seabuckthorn berry oil helps prevent lesions and once I have them,

> > > > to reduce the inflammation in them, and help them heal. The BP is

> > > > slower, but only requires one application and the lesions are on their

> > > > way to gone, whereas I have to reapply the SBT berry oil.

> > > >

> > > > It is turkey season, and I am a hunter, and I have lucked up on a lease

> > > > that has blinds on every food plot, portable cloth blinds that zip up

> > > > and keep things out. So I can turkey hunt again, in a comfortable chair,

> > > > rather than sitting against trees on the ground where everything in the

> > > > world got on me. This past weekend I called in a bird for the woman who

> > > > invited me onto this lease, her first bird, and it was such a pleasure

> > > > to be outdoors, but protected, and able to enjoy my sport without fear

> > > > of being swarmed. Of course I wore bug juice anyway! Then, when she got

> > > > her bird, we both put on disposable gloves and put the whole bird in a

> > > > giant ziploc bag with ice so it didn't infect my car. We took it to the

> > > > club lodge, where her husband and a friend of mine, who is a hunting

> > > > guide, got to see it and hear her story, and the friend gutted it and

> > > > then put it back into the ziploc without questioning my use of it (he

> > > > knows I have morg).

> > > >

> > > > After turkey season, I've scheduled a purge, starting with my garage,

> > > > where we track things in. It goes back to the old story about sweeping

> > > > the front stoop first, otherwise cleaning inside is kind of pointless.

> > > > Then I will clean the other areas where we come into the house and start

> > > > inside. I've read some terrific advice here about cleaning ductwork and

> > > > I've always known that I had to do something about the expansion joints

> > > > and gaps under molding. I'll finish off by yanking the carpets and

> > > > putting down smooth flooring. I despise cold tiles, so I will probably

> > > > do the radiant (under tile) heat thing. Actually I'm not crazy about

> > > > tiles anyway, so I may go with what I love, which is sheet vinyl. It is

> > > > the least maintenance (to me) in the short run, though it must be

> > > > replaced more often than tile.

> > > >

> > > > Have any of you posted a comprehensive list all in one place of what all

> > > > to do to a house?

> > > >

> > > > Thank you, all of you, for what you have taught me and shared of

> > > > yourselves here.

> > > >

> > > > love,

> > > > katie

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Hi ,

I noticed that the ceramic tile floor in my bathroom never gets mite infested, but my linoleum and laminate flooring does. Ceramic is often used in far infrared saunas (when heated ceramice emits far infrared heat). I wonder if it repels mites even when unheated. Anyone experience the same difference with ceramic tile floors?

J

From: livingwithcritters <kajay109@...>bird mites Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 12:57:40 AMSubject: Re: progress

Thanks, Tony. That's good feedback. Based on that, what I might do since I love everything about my house but the critters, is to put down vinyl everywhere, as it is warmer than ceramic, and skip the expense of the radiant heat. When we sell, we can offer a discount over competitive homes, which many buyers will go for as they can pocket the savings or use it to install what they want.I have already ditched so many things I owned before all this, but much of it I have had to replace. I'm simply going to have to wash everything with a hard surface down, dry clean or soak in A & H or Orange Plus everything I can put into water, and decide on a case by case basis what to do with the rest. My attic is filled with junk that my husband will never move, old military memorabilia etc. So I am going to find a place where I can buy menthol crystals in bulk (and I do mean bulk) and just make the whole place toxic to them. (Come out of that ammo

can, critter, and die!) Then there is all the insulation. It is compacted like it gets, so replacing it would be good anyway, but the money. Like most of us, I will have to do what I can do when I can do it, financially and physically. I've already been "mentholizing" my husband's 450 shelf feet of gorgeous history books for about a year, just have to keep that up. The living room is library and exercise room and I've kept it full of menthol. I never get bitten when I work out or am getting a book. Also, I make sure if I DO open a book, that my head is covered and I don't lean over the book. I'm definitely a candidate for a Kindle (more money, though).Keep the ideas coming, Tony, you have some good ones.love,katie> > >> > > > > > The first thing I want to say is that I seldom have time to read> > > everything here, so I am behind on the science. I am so glad that my> > > feeble efforts at scientific investigation are moot, which is why I have> > > stopped maintaining (paying for) the online resources I had posted when> > > we were still in our "dark ages."> > > > > > What I do maintain is the resources that don't cost me money, namely,> > > the critterfiles library, which is outdated but still has some good>

> > stuff, and the memorials I mentioned in an earlier post tonight.> > > > > > My focus now is to continue with what is working for me:> > > > > > After the bioactive chitinase I drizzled over my body after a shower> > > caused the exit of thousands of squares of gelatinous material (was that> > > the bio-film, do you think?) within about 15 minutes of applying the> > > chitinase, my critters have been biting more--and more meanly--than> > > ever. That includes more shedding everywhere. I still have to wear long> > > sleeves and rubber boots at home to prevent reinfection from sheds,> > > HOWEVER, thanks to the benzoyl peroxide and salicylic acid combo I'm> > > using on my skin (DermaPet shampoo, formerly Dermabenss, about 59.99 /> > > gallon) my bites are smaller and smaller, and when I use

my lice comb, I> > > get less and less off my scalp. So it is working!> > > > > > I have not yet succeeded in becoming unattractive to the critters, and> > > there are several things I have read here that I either have already> > > ordered or plan to order as I have the bucks.> > > > > > Also, after I dropped my Pink Oil/benzalchonium chloride/herbal insect> > > repellent from my regimen, I got, for the first time, what Bill calls> > > Twizzlers (good name). Also, I was getting bitten horribly throughout> > > the day (smaller, due to the BP shampoo, as mentioned above, but more> > > and meaner bites). I restarted the Pink Oil mixture and the reinfection> > > dropped to nearly nothing. The mixture is good for about 10 hours, then> > > I have to shower and start over. Also, the twizzlers

went away. What> > > helped with them was applying the Clobetasol Propionate (prescription> > > steroid gel) to the spots. On a good day, when I apply that gel,> > > whatever was biting me comes out. It doesn't always work, but> > > fortunately whatever was causing these feelings was close enough to the> > > surface, not as deep as I thought, because after that--no more> > > twizzling.> > > > > > I still take the seabuckthorn berry oil internally at least a dropperful> > > daily. I also take (and have for several months) 340 mg of oregano oil> > > daily, and have just started taking about the same amount of Interfase> > > Plus, a chitinase that is often prescribed (though I don't know the> > > science behind it) for autism, according to the website where it is> > > sold.> >

> > > > The seabuckthorn berry oil helps prevent lesions and once I have them,> > > to reduce the inflammation in them, and help them heal. The BP is> > > slower, but only requires one application and the lesions are on their> > > way to gone, whereas I have to reapply the SBT berry oil.> > > > > > It is turkey season, and I am a hunter, and I have lucked up on a lease> > > that has blinds on every food plot, portable cloth blinds that zip up> > > and keep things out. So I can turkey hunt again, in a comfortable chair,> > > rather than sitting against trees on the ground where everything in the> > > world got on me. This past weekend I called in a bird for the woman who> > > invited me onto this lease, her first bird, and it was such a pleasure> > > to be outdoors, but protected, and able to enjoy

my sport without fear> > > of being swarmed. Of course I wore bug juice anyway! Then, when she got> > > her bird, we both put on disposable gloves and put the whole bird in a> > > giant ziploc bag with ice so it didn't infect my car. We took it to the> > > club lodge, where her husband and a friend of mine, who is a hunting> > > guide, got to see it and hear her story, and the friend gutted it and> > > then put it back into the ziploc without questioning my use of it (he> > > knows I have morg).> > > > > > After turkey season, I've scheduled a purge, starting with my garage,> > > where we track things in. It goes back to the old story about sweeping> > > the front stoop first, otherwise cleaning inside is kind of pointless.> > > Then I will clean the other areas where we come into the house and

start> > > inside. I've read some terrific advice here about cleaning ductwork and> > > I've always known that I had to do something about the expansion joints> > > and gaps under molding. I'll finish off by yanking the carpets and> > > putting down smooth flooring. I despise cold tiles, so I will probably> > > do the radiant (under tile) heat thing. Actually I'm not crazy about> > > tiles anyway, so I may go with what I love, which is sheet vinyl. It is> > > the least maintenance (to me) in the short run, though it must be> > > replaced more often than tile.> > > > > > Have any of you posted a comprehensive list all in one place of what all> > > to do to a house?> > > > > > Thank you, all of you, for what you have taught me and shared of> > > yourselves here.> >

> > > > love,> > > katie> > >> >>

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Tony I too am sorry about the buggy floors.it is very hard...think Lynn has a

good idea with the murphys..and orange product..maybe the coconut will plug them

up

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From: " Lynn " <torpedolynn@...>

bird mites

Subject: Re: progress

Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 17:13:31 -0000

Hi Tony

Like the post on the heating of the flooring. Glad to know I was on the right

track.

I am so sorry to hear about the multitude of bugs you are dealing with. Your

body must be advertising big big neon lights. Tonys resteraunt eat here. You do

know whare ever you go it would only take a few days for the new place to become

as buggie. Have you tried s oil soap on the wood floors with any echo

friendly orange products with it. The Orange kills them and the oil drowns them

and s is good for wood floors. It will soak right down to whare they are

hiding and cut their numbers down.

Even the coconut oil also. Not sure if floors would be slick after coconut oil

though???

In Light Lynn

> > >

> > >

> > > The first thing I want to say is that I seldom have time to read

> > > everything here, so I am behind on the science. I am so glad that my

> > > feeble efforts at scientific investigation are moot, which is why I have

> > > stopped maintaining (paying for) the online resources I had posted when

> > > we were still in our " dark ages. "

> > >

> > > What I do maintain is the resources that don't cost me money, namely,

> > > the critterfiles library, which is outdated but still has some good

> > > stuff, and the memorials I mentioned in an earlier post tonight.

> > >

> > > My focus now is to continue with what is working for me:

> > >

> > > After the bioactive chitinase I drizzled over my body after a shower

> > > caused the exit of thousands of squares of gelatinous material (was that

> > > the bio-film, do you think?) within about 15 minutes of applying the

> > > chitinase, my critters have been biting more--and more meanly--than

> > > ever. That includes more shedding everywhere. I still have to wear long

> > > sleeves and rubber boots at home to prevent reinfection from sheds,

> > > HOWEVER, thanks to the benzoyl peroxide and salicylic acid combo I'm

> > > using on my skin (DermaPet shampoo, formerly Dermabenss, about 59.99 /

> > > gallon) my bites are smaller and smaller, and when I use my lice comb, I

> > > get less and less off my scalp. So it is working!

> > >

> > > I have not yet succeeded in becoming unattractive to the critters, and

> > > there are several things I have read here that I either have already

> > > ordered or plan to order as I have the bucks.

> > >

> > > Also, after I dropped my Pink Oil/benzalchonium chloride/herbal insect

> > > repellent from my regimen, I got, for the first time, what Bill calls

> > > Twizzlers (good name). Also, I was getting bitten horribly throughout

> > > the day (smaller, due to the BP shampoo, as mentioned above, but more

> > > and meaner bites). I restarted the Pink Oil mixture and the reinfection

> > > dropped to nearly nothing. The mixture is good for about 10 hours, then

> > > I have to shower and start over. Also, the twizzlers went away. What

> > > helped with them was applying the Clobetasol Propionate (prescription

> > > steroid gel) to the spots. On a good day, when I apply that gel,

> > > whatever was biting me comes out. It doesn't always work, but

> > > fortunately whatever was causing these feelings was close enough to the

> > > surface, not as deep as I thought, because after that--no more

> > > twizzling.

> > >

> > > I still take the seabuckthorn berry oil internally at least a dropperful

> > > daily. I also take (and have for several months) 340 mg of oregano oil

> > > daily, and have just started taking about the same amount of Interfase

> > > Plus, a chitinase that is often prescribed (though I don't know the

> > > science behind it) for autism, according to the website where it is

> > > sold.

> > >

> > > The seabuckthorn berry oil helps prevent lesions and once I have them,

> > > to reduce the inflammation in them, and help them heal. The BP is

> > > slower, but only requires one application and the lesions are on their

> > > way to gone, whereas I have to reapply the SBT berry oil.

> > >

> > > It is turkey season, and I am a hunter, and I have lucked up on a lease

> > > that has blinds on every food plot, portable cloth blinds that zip up

> > > and keep things out. So I can turkey hunt again, in a comfortable chair,

> > > rather than sitting against trees on the ground where everything in the

> > > world got on me. This past weekend I called in a bird for the woman who

> > > invited me onto this lease, her first bird, and it was such a pleasure

> > > to be outdoors, but protected, and able to enjoy my sport without fear

> > > of being swarmed. Of course I wore bug juice anyway! Then, when she got

> > > her bird, we both put on disposable gloves and put the whole bird in a

> > > giant ziploc bag with ice so it didn't infect my car. We took it to the

> > > club lodge, where her husband and a friend of mine, who is a hunting

> > > guide, got to see it and hear her story, and the friend gutted it and

> > > then put it back into the ziploc without questioning my use of it (he

> > > knows I have morg).

> > >

> > > After turkey season, I've scheduled a purge, starting with my garage,

> > > where we track things in. It goes back to the old story about sweeping

> > > the front stoop first, otherwise cleaning inside is kind of pointless.

> > > Then I will clean the other areas where we come into the house and start

> > > inside. I've read some terrific advice here about cleaning ductwork and

> > > I've always known that I had to do something about the expansion joints

> > > and gaps under molding. I'll finish off by yanking the carpets and

> > > putting down smooth flooring. I despise cold tiles, so I will probably

> > > do the radiant (under tile) heat thing. Actually I'm not crazy about

> > > tiles anyway, so I may go with what I love, which is sheet vinyl. It is

> > > the least maintenance (to me) in the short run, though it must be

> > > replaced more often than tile.

> > >

> > > Have any of you posted a comprehensive list all in one place of what all

> > > to do to a house?

> > >

> > > Thank you, all of you, for what you have taught me and shared of

> > > yourselves here.

> > >

> > > love,

> > > katie

> > >

> >

>

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Here's my bug-infested wood story: My bedframe had unfinished wood slats across

the bottom, to hold the boxspring. I didn't use the bedframe for two years and

during that time I repeatedly steam cleaned, dehumidified, and oiled the crap

(Citrasolv Orange Oil) out of the unfinished wood. Two weeks ago I finally

started to use the bedframe again, and within two nights I felt bugs crawling on

me, so I went back to sleeping on my camping cot. This past weekend I painted

the untreated wood on the bedframe with an enamel undercoat primer sealer paint.

http://www.behr.com/Behr/home#vgnextoid=d18a536658689110VgnVCM1000006f1010acRCRD\

;channel=PROJECT_CENTER;view=17

Apparently the little bastards can survive for at least two years deeply

burrowed in unsealed wood, even if you steam and oil the crap out of the wood,

the little bastards will survive. I just thought I'd share this with you all.

Tony -- If the underside of your hardwood floors is exposed (as opposed to being

solidly glued to a concrete slab), and the wood isn't sealed, that may be why

your floors are a problem. Pouring oil on the wood won't solve the problem.

You need to seal the wood.

My floors are finished oak, glued to a concrete slab, and I don't have bugs in

the floors, even though there are grooves between the planks. Each plank was

laid out and glued separately. The glue is an expensive glue with a strong

adhesive. For people with problems with laminate flooring, if it's the kind of

flooring with a gap between the laminate and the subfloor, then the bugs may be

hanging out between the laminate and subfloor.

myrtle

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The first thing I want to say is that I seldom have time to read

> > > > everything here, so I am behind on the science. I am so glad that my

> > > > feeble efforts at scientific investigation are moot, which is why I have

> > > > stopped maintaining (paying for) the online resources I had posted when

> > > > we were still in our " dark ages. "

> > > >

> > > > What I do maintain is the resources that don't cost me money, namely,

> > > > the critterfiles library, which is outdated but still has some good

> > > > stuff, and the memorials I mentioned in an earlier post tonight.

> > > >

> > > > My focus now is to continue with what is working for me:

> > > >

> > > > After the bioactive chitinase I drizzled over my body after a shower

> > > > caused the exit of thousands of squares of gelatinous material (was that

> > > > the bio-film, do you think?) within about 15 minutes of applying the

> > > > chitinase, my critters have been biting more--and more meanly--than

> > > > ever. That includes more shedding everywhere. I still have to wear long

> > > > sleeves and rubber boots at home to prevent reinfection from sheds,

> > > > HOWEVER, thanks to the benzoyl peroxide and salicylic acid combo I'm

> > > > using on my skin (DermaPet shampoo, formerly Dermabenss, about 59.99 /

> > > > gallon) my bites are smaller and smaller, and when I use my lice comb, I

> > > > get less and less off my scalp. So it is working!

> > > >

> > > > I have not yet succeeded in becoming unattractive to the critters, and

> > > > there are several things I have read here that I either have already

> > > > ordered or plan to order as I have the bucks.

> > > >

> > > > Also, after I dropped my Pink Oil/benzalchonium chloride/herbal insect

> > > > repellent from my regimen, I got, for the first time, what Bill calls

> > > > Twizzlers (good name). Also, I was getting bitten horribly throughout

> > > > the day (smaller, due to the BP shampoo, as mentioned above, but more

> > > > and meaner bites). I restarted the Pink Oil mixture and the reinfection

> > > > dropped to nearly nothing. The mixture is good for about 10 hours, then

> > > > I have to shower and start over. Also, the twizzlers went away. What

> > > > helped with them was applying the Clobetasol Propionate (prescription

> > > > steroid gel) to the spots. On a good day, when I apply that gel,

> > > > whatever was biting me comes out. It doesn't always work, but

> > > > fortunately whatever was causing these feelings was close enough to the

> > > > surface, not as deep as I thought, because after that--no more

> > > > twizzling.

> > > >

> > > > I still take the seabuckthorn berry oil internally at least a dropperful

> > > > daily. I also take (and have for several months) 340 mg of oregano oil

> > > > daily, and have just started taking about the same amount of Interfase

> > > > Plus, a chitinase that is often prescribed (though I don't know the

> > > > science behind it) for autism, according to the website where it is

> > > > sold.

> > > >

> > > > The seabuckthorn berry oil helps prevent lesions and once I have them,

> > > > to reduce the inflammation in them, and help them heal. The BP is

> > > > slower, but only requires one application and the lesions are on their

> > > > way to gone, whereas I have to reapply the SBT berry oil.

> > > >

> > > > It is turkey season, and I am a hunter, and I have lucked up on a lease

> > > > that has blinds on every food plot, portable cloth blinds that zip up

> > > > and keep things out. So I can turkey hunt again, in a comfortable chair,

> > > > rather than sitting against trees on the ground where everything in the

> > > > world got on me. This past weekend I called in a bird for the woman who

> > > > invited me onto this lease, her first bird, and it was such a pleasure

> > > > to be outdoors, but protected, and able to enjoy my sport without fear

> > > > of being swarmed. Of course I wore bug juice anyway! Then, when she got

> > > > her bird, we both put on disposable gloves and put the whole bird in a

> > > > giant ziploc bag with ice so it didn't infect my car. We took it to the

> > > > club lodge, where her husband and a friend of mine, who is a hunting

> > > > guide, got to see it and hear her story, and the friend gutted it and

> > > > then put it back into the ziploc without questioning my use of it (he

> > > > knows I have morg).

> > > >

> > > > After turkey season, I've scheduled a purge, starting with my garage,

> > > > where we track things in. It goes back to the old story about sweeping

> > > > the front stoop first, otherwise cleaning inside is kind of pointless.

> > > > Then I will clean the other areas where we come into the house and start

> > > > inside. I've read some terrific advice here about cleaning ductwork and

> > > > I've always known that I had to do something about the expansion joints

> > > > and gaps under molding. I'll finish off by yanking the carpets and

> > > > putting down smooth flooring. I despise cold tiles, so I will probably

> > > > do the radiant (under tile) heat thing. Actually I'm not crazy about

> > > > tiles anyway, so I may go with what I love, which is sheet vinyl. It is

> > > > the least maintenance (to me) in the short run, though it must be

> > > > replaced more often than tile.

> > > >

> > > > Have any of you posted a comprehensive list all in one place of what all

> > > > to do to a house?

> > > >

> > > > Thank you, all of you, for what you have taught me and shared of

> > > > yourselves here.

> > > >

> > > > love,

> > > > katie

> > > >

> > >

> >

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How frustrating Myrtle! These things seem so unreal. I'm worried about my contaminated gear that has been stored for almost 2 years. I too sleep on a cot (with an air mattress on top of it.

Do you think that ceramic tile floor is the best flooring solution to these awful creatures?

J

From: Myrtle <myrtle_maui@...>bird mites Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 8:20:53 PMSubject: Re: progress

Here's my bug-infested wood story: My bedframe had unfinished wood slats across the bottom, to hold the boxspring. I didn't use the bedframe for two years and during that time I repeatedly steam cleaned, dehumidified, and oiled the crap (Citrasolv Orange Oil) out of the unfinished wood. Two weeks ago I finally started to use the bedframe again, and within two nights I felt bugs crawling on me, so I went back to sleeping on my camping cot. This past weekend I painted the untreated wood on the bedframe with an enamel undercoat primer sealer paint. http://www.behr. com/Behr/ home#vgnextoid= d18a536658689110 VgnVCM1000006f10 10acRCRD; channel=PROJECT_ CENTER;view= 17Apparently the little bastards can survive for at least two years deeply burrowed in unsealed wood, even if you steam and oil the

crap out of the wood, the little bastards will survive. I just thought I'd share this with you all.Tony -- If the underside of your hardwood floors is exposed (as opposed to being solidly glued to a concrete slab), and the wood isn't sealed, that may be why your floors are a problem. Pouring oil on the wood won't solve the problem. You need to seal the wood.My floors are finished oak, glued to a concrete slab, and I don't have bugs in the floors, even though there are grooves between the planks. Each plank was laid out and glued separately. The glue is an expensive glue with a strong adhesive. For people with problems with laminate flooring, if it's the kind of flooring with a gap between the laminate and the subfloor, then the bugs may be hanging out between the laminate and subfloor.myrtle> > > >> > > > > > > > The first thing I want to say is that I seldom have time to read> > > > everything here, so I am behind on the science. I am so glad that my> > > > feeble efforts at scientific investigation are moot, which is why I have> > > > stopped maintaining (paying for) the online

resources I had posted when> > > > we were still in our "dark ages."> > > > > > > > What I do maintain is the resources that don't cost me money, namely,> > > > the critterfiles library, which is outdated but still has some good> > > > stuff, and the memorials I mentioned in an earlier post tonight.> > > > > > > > My focus now is to continue with what is working for me:> > > > > > > > After the bioactive chitinase I drizzled over my body after a shower> > > > caused the exit of thousands of squares of gelatinous material (was that> > > > the bio-film, do you think?) within about 15 minutes of applying the> > > > chitinase, my critters have been biting more--and more meanly--than> > > > ever. That includes more shedding everywhere. I still have to

wear long> > > > sleeves and rubber boots at home to prevent reinfection from sheds,> > > > HOWEVER, thanks to the benzoyl peroxide and salicylic acid combo I'm> > > > using on my skin (DermaPet shampoo, formerly Dermabenss, about 59.99 /> > > > gallon) my bites are smaller and smaller, and when I use my lice comb, I> > > > get less and less off my scalp. So it is working!> > > > > > > > I have not yet succeeded in becoming unattractive to the critters, and> > > > there are several things I have read here that I either have already> > > > ordered or plan to order as I have the bucks.> > > > > > > > Also, after I dropped my Pink Oil/benzalchonium chloride/herbal insect> > > > repellent from my regimen, I got, for the first time, what Bill calls> > >

> Twizzlers (good name). Also, I was getting bitten horribly throughout> > > > the day (smaller, due to the BP shampoo, as mentioned above, but more> > > > and meaner bites). I restarted the Pink Oil mixture and the reinfection> > > > dropped to nearly nothing. The mixture is good for about 10 hours, then> > > > I have to shower and start over. Also, the twizzlers went away. What> > > > helped with them was applying the Clobetasol Propionate (prescription> > > > steroid gel) to the spots. On a good day, when I apply that gel,> > > > whatever was biting me comes out. It doesn't always work, but> > > > fortunately whatever was causing these feelings was close enough to the> > > > surface, not as deep as I thought, because after that--no more> > > > twizzling.> > > > > >

> > I still take the seabuckthorn berry oil internally at least a dropperful> > > > daily. I also take (and have for several months) 340 mg of oregano oil> > > > daily, and have just started taking about the same amount of Interfase> > > > Plus, a chitinase that is often prescribed (though I don't know the> > > > science behind it) for autism, according to the website where it is> > > > sold.> > > > > > > > The seabuckthorn berry oil helps prevent lesions and once I have them,> > > > to reduce the inflammation in them, and help them heal. The BP is> > > > slower, but only requires one application and the lesions are on their> > > > way to gone, whereas I have to reapply the SBT berry oil.> > > > > > > > It is turkey season, and I am a hunter, and I have

lucked up on a lease> > > > that has blinds on every food plot, portable cloth blinds that zip up> > > > and keep things out. So I can turkey hunt again, in a comfortable chair,> > > > rather than sitting against trees on the ground where everything in the> > > > world got on me. This past weekend I called in a bird for the woman who> > > > invited me onto this lease, her first bird, and it was such a pleasure> > > > to be outdoors, but protected, and able to enjoy my sport without fear> > > > of being swarmed. Of course I wore bug juice anyway! Then, when she got> > > > her bird, we both put on disposable gloves and put the whole bird in a> > > > giant ziploc bag with ice so it didn't infect my car. We took it to the> > > > club lodge, where her husband and a friend of mine, who is a

hunting> > > > guide, got to see it and hear her story, and the friend gutted it and> > > > then put it back into the ziploc without questioning my use of it (he> > > > knows I have morg).> > > > > > > > After turkey season, I've scheduled a purge, starting with my garage,> > > > where we track things in. It goes back to the old story about sweeping> > > > the front stoop first, otherwise cleaning inside is kind of pointless.> > > > Then I will clean the other areas where we come into the house and start> > > > inside. I've read some terrific advice here about cleaning ductwork and> > > > I've always known that I had to do something about the expansion joints> > > > and gaps under molding. I'll finish off by yanking the carpets and> > > > putting down smooth

flooring. I despise cold tiles, so I will probably> > > > do the radiant (under tile) heat thing. Actually I'm not crazy about> > > > tiles anyway, so I may go with what I love, which is sheet vinyl. It is> > > > the least maintenance (to me) in the short run, though it must be> > > > replaced more often than tile.> > > > > > > > Have any of you posted a comprehensive list all in one place of what all> > > > to do to a house?> > > > > > > > Thank you, all of you, for what you have taught me and shared of> > > > yourselves here.> > > > > > > > love,> > > > katie> > > >> > >> >>

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Hi J - Yes, I think ceramic floor tile is good because it has to be glued down,

and I doubt if the bugs can burrow into grout. Did you write something about

ceramic tile emitting FIR wavelengths? My mom's house is bug-infested but I

never feel any bugs in her ceramic tiled entryway. I also don't feel bugs on

her vinyl flooring, but the ceramic tile looks better. The vinyl is glued to a

concrete slab. Her carpets are a problem area, but she doesn't give a rip since

the bugs don't like her.

There is something otherworldly about the persistence of these bugs. Good luck

with your contaminated gear. Maybe now you've got enough knowledge to disinfect

your stuff, if it's salvageable.

myrtle

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The first thing I want to say is that I seldom have time to read

> > > > > everything here, so I am behind on the science. I am so glad that my

> > > > > feeble efforts at scientific investigation are moot, which is why I

have

> > > > > stopped maintaining (paying for) the online resources I had posted

when

> > > > > we were still in our " dark ages. "

> > > > >

> > > > > What I do maintain is the resources that don't cost me money, namely,

> > > > > the critterfiles library, which is outdated but still has some good

> > > > > stuff, and the memorials I mentioned in an earlier post tonight.

> > > > >

> > > > > My focus now is to continue with what is working for me:

> > > > >

> > > > > After the bioactive chitinase I drizzled over my body after a shower

> > > > > caused the exit of thousands of squares of gelatinous material (was

that

> > > > > the bio-film, do you think?) within about 15 minutes of applying the

> > > > > chitinase, my critters have been biting more--and more meanly--than

> > > > > ever. That includes more shedding everywhere. I still have to wear

long

> > > > > sleeves and rubber boots at home to prevent reinfection from sheds,

> > > > > HOWEVER, thanks to the benzoyl peroxide and salicylic acid combo I'm

> > > > > using on my skin (DermaPet shampoo, formerly Dermabenss, about 59.99 /

> > > > > gallon) my bites are smaller and smaller, and when I use my lice comb,

I

> > > > > get less and less off my scalp. So it is working!

> > > > >

> > > > > I have not yet succeeded in becoming unattractive to the critters, and

> > > > > there are several things I have read here that I either have already

> > > > > ordered or plan to order as I have the bucks.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, after I dropped my Pink Oil/benzalchonium chloride/herbal insect

> > > > > repellent from my regimen, I got, for the first time, what Bill calls

> > > > > Twizzlers (good name). Also, I was getting bitten horribly throughout

> > > > > the day (smaller, due to the BP shampoo, as mentioned above, but more

> > > > > and meaner bites). I restarted the Pink Oil mixture and the

reinfection

> > > > > dropped to nearly nothing. The mixture is good for about 10 hours,

then

> > > > > I have to shower and start over. Also, the twizzlers went away. What

> > > > > helped with them was applying the Clobetasol Propionate (prescription

> > > > > steroid gel) to the spots. On a good day, when I apply that gel,

> > > > > whatever was biting me comes out. It doesn't always work, but

> > > > > fortunately whatever was causing these feelings was close enough to

the

> > > > > surface, not as deep as I thought, because after that--no more

> > > > > twizzling.

> > > > >

> > > > > I still take the seabuckthorn berry oil internally at least a

dropperful

> > > > > daily. I also take (and have for several months) 340 mg of oregano oil

> > > > > daily, and have just started taking about the same amount of Interfase

> > > > > Plus, a chitinase that is often prescribed (though I don't know the

> > > > > science behind it) for autism, according to the website where it is

> > > > > sold.

> > > > >

> > > > > The seabuckthorn berry oil helps prevent lesions and once I have them,

> > > > > to reduce the inflammation in them, and help them heal. The BP is

> > > > > slower, but only requires one application and the lesions are on their

> > > > > way to gone, whereas I have to reapply the SBT berry oil.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is turkey season, and I am a hunter, and I have lucked up on a

lease

> > > > > that has blinds on every food plot, portable cloth blinds that zip up

> > > > > and keep things out. So I can turkey hunt again, in a comfortable

chair,

> > > > > rather than sitting against trees on the ground where everything in

the

> > > > > world got on me. This past weekend I called in a bird for the woman

who

> > > > > invited me onto this lease, her first bird, and it was such a pleasure

> > > > > to be outdoors, but protected, and able to enjoy my sport without fear

> > > > > of being swarmed. Of course I wore bug juice anyway! Then, when she

got

> > > > > her bird, we both put on disposable gloves and put the whole bird in a

> > > > > giant ziploc bag with ice so it didn't infect my car. We took it to

the

> > > > > club lodge, where her husband and a friend of mine, who is a hunting

> > > > > guide, got to see it and hear her story, and the friend gutted it and

> > > > > then put it back into the ziploc without questioning my use of it (he

> > > > > knows I have morg).

> > > > >

> > > > > After turkey season, I've scheduled a purge, starting with my garage,

> > > > > where we track things in. It goes back to the old story about sweeping

> > > > > the front stoop first, otherwise cleaning inside is kind of pointless.

> > > > > Then I will clean the other areas where we come into the house and

start

> > > > > inside. I've read some terrific advice here about cleaning ductwork

and

> > > > > I've always known that I had to do something about the expansion

joints

> > > > > and gaps under molding. I'll finish off by yanking the carpets and

> > > > > putting down smooth flooring. I despise cold tiles, so I will probably

> > > > > do the radiant (under tile) heat thing. Actually I'm not crazy about

> > > > > tiles anyway, so I may go with what I love, which is sheet vinyl. It

is

> > > > > the least maintenance (to me) in the short run, though it must be

> > > > > replaced more often than tile.

> > > > >

> > > > > Have any of you posted a comprehensive list all in one place of what

all

> > > > > to do to a house?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you, all of you, for what you have taught me and shared of

> > > > > yourselves here.

> > > > >

> > > > > love,

> > > > > katie

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

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Hi again Myrtle :) I too doubt that the bugs can burrow into grout, but I have seen them burrowed into soft plastics!

There exists far infrared saunas with ceramic heaters. When ceramic is heated, it emits far infrared. Even if the ceramic is not heated, I wonder if it emits a little far infrared.

Interesting that you don't feel bugs on the ceramic and vinyl areas. I know I felt bugs in vinyl areas in the house I used to own, but that house was horendously infested.

Yes, I must work on disinfecting the stuff in storage or simply just throw it out.

J

From: Myrtle <myrtle_maui@...>bird mites Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 9:00:33 PMSubject: Re: progress

Hi J - Yes, I think ceramic floor tile is good because it has to be glued down, and I doubt if the bugs can burrow into grout. Did you write something about ceramic tile emitting FIR wavelengths? My mom's house is bug-infested but I never feel any bugs in her ceramic tiled entryway. I also don't feel bugs on her vinyl flooring, but the ceramic tile looks better. The vinyl is glued to a concrete slab. Her carpets are a problem area, but she doesn't give a rip since the bugs don't like her.There is something otherworldly about the persistence of these bugs. Good luck with your contaminated gear. Maybe now you've got enough knowledge to disinfect your stuff, if it's salvageable.myrtle> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The first thing I want to say is that

I seldom have time to read> > > > > everything here, so I am behind on the science. I am so glad that my> > > > > feeble efforts at scientific investigation are moot, which is why I have> > > > > stopped maintaining (paying for) the online resources I had posted when> > > > > we were still in our "dark ages."> > > > > > > > > > What I do maintain is the resources that don't cost me money, namely,> > > > > the critterfiles library, which is outdated but still has some good> > > > > stuff, and the memorials I mentioned in an earlier post tonight.> > > > > > > > > > My focus now is to continue with what is working for me:> > > > > > > > > > After the bioactive chitinase I drizzled over my body after a shower> > > >

> caused the exit of thousands of squares of gelatinous material (was that> > > > > the bio-film, do you think?) within about 15 minutes of applying the> > > > > chitinase, my critters have been biting more--and more meanly--than> > > > > ever. That includes more shedding everywhere. I still have to wear long> > > > > sleeves and rubber boots at home to prevent reinfection from sheds,> > > > > HOWEVER, thanks to the benzoyl peroxide and salicylic acid combo I'm> > > > > using on my skin (DermaPet shampoo, formerly Dermabenss, about 59.99 /> > > > > gallon) my bites are smaller and smaller, and when I use my lice comb, I> > > > > get less and less off my scalp. So it is working!> > > > > > > > > > I have not yet succeeded in becoming unattractive to the critters,

and> > > > > there are several things I have read here that I either have already> > > > > ordered or plan to order as I have the bucks.> > > > > > > > > > Also, after I dropped my Pink Oil/benzalchonium chloride/herbal insect> > > > > repellent from my regimen, I got, for the first time, what Bill calls> > > > > Twizzlers (good name). Also, I was getting bitten horribly throughout> > > > > the day (smaller, due to the BP shampoo, as mentioned above, but more> > > > > and meaner bites). I restarted the Pink Oil mixture and the reinfection> > > > > dropped to nearly nothing. The mixture is good for about 10 hours, then> > > > > I have to shower and start over. Also, the twizzlers went away. What> > > > > helped with them was applying the Clobetasol

Propionate (prescription> > > > > steroid gel) to the spots. On a good day, when I apply that gel,> > > > > whatever was biting me comes out. It doesn't always work, but> > > > > fortunately whatever was causing these feelings was close enough to the> > > > > surface, not as deep as I thought, because after that--no more> > > > > twizzling.> > > > > > > > > > I still take the seabuckthorn berry oil internally at least a dropperful> > > > > daily. I also take (and have for several months) 340 mg of oregano oil> > > > > daily, and have just started taking about the same amount of Interfase> > > > > Plus, a chitinase that is often prescribed (though I don't know the> > > > > science behind it) for autism, according to the website where it is>

> > > > sold.> > > > > > > > > > The seabuckthorn berry oil helps prevent lesions and once I have them,> > > > > to reduce the inflammation in them, and help them heal. The BP is> > > > > slower, but only requires one application and the lesions are on their> > > > > way to gone, whereas I have to reapply the SBT berry oil.> > > > > > > > > > It is turkey season, and I am a hunter, and I have lucked up on a lease> > > > > that has blinds on every food plot, portable cloth blinds that zip up> > > > > and keep things out. So I can turkey hunt again, in a comfortable chair,> > > > > rather than sitting against trees on the ground where everything in the> > > > > world got on me. This past weekend I called in a bird for the woman

who> > > > > invited me onto this lease, her first bird, and it was such a pleasure> > > > > to be outdoors, but protected, and able to enjoy my sport without fear> > > > > of being swarmed. Of course I wore bug juice anyway! Then, when she got> > > > > her bird, we both put on disposable gloves and put the whole bird in a> > > > > giant ziploc bag with ice so it didn't infect my car. We took it to the> > > > > club lodge, where her husband and a friend of mine, who is a hunting> > > > > guide, got to see it and hear her story, and the friend gutted it and> > > > > then put it back into the ziploc without questioning my use of it (he> > > > > knows I have morg).> > > > > > > > > > After turkey season, I've scheduled a purge, starting with my

garage,> > > > > where we track things in. It goes back to the old story about sweeping> > > > > the front stoop first, otherwise cleaning inside is kind of pointless.> > > > > Then I will clean the other areas where we come into the house and start> > > > > inside. I've read some terrific advice here about cleaning ductwork and> > > > > I've always known that I had to do something about the expansion joints> > > > > and gaps under molding. I'll finish off by yanking the carpets and> > > > > putting down smooth flooring. I despise cold tiles, so I will probably> > > > > do the radiant (under tile) heat thing. Actually I'm not crazy about> > > > > tiles anyway, so I may go with what I love, which is sheet vinyl. It is> > > > > the least maintenance (to me) in the

short run, though it must be> > > > > replaced more often than tile.> > > > > > > > > > Have any of you posted a comprehensive list all in one place of what all> > > > > to do to a house?> > > > > > > > > > Thank you, all of you, for what you have taught me and shared of> > > > > yourselves here.> > > > > > > > > > love,> > > > > katie> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.

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I had " them " in grout...hate to say but true...not flooring grout but kitchen

tile grout

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From: J S <requireshelp@...>

bird mites

Subject: Re: Re: progress

Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 18:57:21 -0700 (PDT)

Hi again Myrtle :)  I too doubt that the bugs can burrow into grout, but I have

seen them burrowed into soft plastics! 

There exists far infrared saunas with ceramic heaters.  When ceramic is

heated, it emits far infrared.  Even if the ceramic is not heated, I wonder if

it emits a little far infrared.

Interesting that you don't feel bugs on the ceramic and vinyl areas.  I know I

felt bugs in vinyl areas in the house I used to own, but that house was

horendously infested.

Yes, I must work on disinfecting the stuff in storage or simply just throw it

out.

J

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Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 9:00:33 PM

Subject: Re: progress

 

Hi J - Yes, I think ceramic floor tile is good because it has to be glued down,

and I doubt if the bugs can burrow into grout. Did you write something about

ceramic tile emitting FIR wavelengths? My mom's house is bug-infested but I

never feel any bugs in her ceramic tiled entryway. I also don't feel bugs on her

vinyl flooring, but the ceramic tile looks better. The vinyl is glued to a

concrete slab. Her carpets are a problem area, but she doesn't give a rip since

the bugs don't like her.

There is something otherworldly about the persistence of these bugs. Good luck

with your contaminated gear. Maybe now you've got enough knowledge to disinfect

your stuff, if it's salvageable.

myrtle

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The first thing I want to say is that I seldom have time to read

> > > > > everything here, so I am behind on the science. I am so glad that my

> > > > > feeble efforts at scientific investigation are moot, which is why I

have

> > > > > stopped maintaining (paying for) the online resources I had posted

when

> > > > > we were still in our " dark ages. "

> > > > >

> > > > > What I do maintain is the resources that don't cost me money, namely,

> > > > > the critterfiles library, which is outdated but still has some good

> > > > > stuff, and the memorials I mentioned in an earlier post tonight.

> > > > >

> > > > > My focus now is to continue with what is working for me:

> > > > >

> > > > > After the bioactive chitinase I drizzled over my body after a shower

> > > > > caused the exit of thousands of squares of gelatinous material (was

that

> > > > > the bio-film, do you think?) within about 15 minutes of applying the

> > > > > chitinase, my critters have been biting more--and more meanly--than

> > > > > ever. That includes more shedding everywhere. I still have to wear

long

> > > > > sleeves and rubber boots at home to prevent reinfection from sheds,

> > > > > HOWEVER, thanks to the benzoyl peroxide and salicylic acid combo I'm

> > > > > using on my skin (DermaPet shampoo, formerly Dermabenss, about 59.99 /

> > > > > gallon) my bites are smaller and smaller, and when I use my lice comb,

I

> > > > > get less and less off my scalp. So it is working!

> > > > >

> > > > > I have not yet succeeded in becoming unattractive to the critters, and

> > > > > there are several things I have read here that I either have already

> > > > > ordered or plan to order as I have the bucks.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, after I dropped my Pink Oil/benzalchonium chloride/herbal insect

> > > > > repellent from my regimen, I got, for the first time, what Bill calls

> > > > > Twizzlers (good name). Also, I was getting bitten horribly throughout

> > > > > the day (smaller, due to the BP shampoo, as mentioned above, but more

> > > > > and meaner bites). I restarted the Pink Oil mixture and the

reinfection

> > > > > dropped to nearly nothing. The mixture is good for about 10 hours,

then

> > > > > I have to shower and start over. Also, the twizzlers went away. What

> > > > > helped with them was applying the Clobetasol Propionate (prescription

> > > > > steroid gel) to the spots. On a good day, when I apply that gel,

> > > > > whatever was biting me comes out. It doesn't always work, but

> > > > > fortunately whatever was causing these feelings was close enough to

the

> > > > > surface, not as deep as I thought, because after that--no more

> > > > > twizzling.

> > > > >

> > > > > I still take the seabuckthorn berry oil internally at least a

dropperful

> > > > > daily. I also take (and have for several months) 340 mg of oregano oil

> > > > > daily, and have just started taking about the same amount of Interfase

> > > > > Plus, a chitinase that is often prescribed (though I don't know the

> > > > > science behind it) for autism, according to the website where it is

> > > > > sold.

> > > > >

> > > > > The seabuckthorn berry oil helps prevent lesions and once I have them,

> > > > > to reduce the inflammation in them, and help them heal. The BP is

> > > > > slower, but only requires one application and the lesions are on their

> > > > > way to gone, whereas I have to reapply the SBT berry oil.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is turkey season, and I am a hunter, and I have lucked up on a

lease

> > > > > that has blinds on every food plot, portable cloth blinds that zip up

> > > > > and keep things out. So I can turkey hunt again, in a comfortable

chair,

> > > > > rather than sitting against trees on the ground where everything in

the

> > > > > world got on me. This past weekend I called in a bird for the woman

who

> > > > > invited me onto this lease, her first bird, and it was such a pleasure

> > > > > to be outdoors, but protected, and able to enjoy my sport without fear

> > > > > of being swarmed. Of course I wore bug juice anyway! Then, when she

got

> > > > > her bird, we both put on disposable gloves and put the whole bird in a

> > > > > giant ziploc bag with ice so it didn't infect my car. We took it to

the

> > > > > club lodge, where her husband and a friend of mine, who is a hunting

> > > > > guide, got to see it and hear her story, and the friend gutted it and

> > > > > then put it back into the ziploc without questioning my use of it (he

> > > > > knows I have morg).

> > > > >

> > > > > After turkey season, I've scheduled a purge, starting with my garage,

> > > > > where we track things in. It goes back to the old story about sweeping

> > > > > the front stoop first, otherwise cleaning inside is kind of pointless.

> > > > > Then I will clean the other areas where we come into the house and

start

> > > > > inside. I've read some terrific advice here about cleaning ductwork

and

> > > > > I've always known that I had to do something about the expansion

joints

> > > > > and gaps under molding. I'll finish off by yanking the carpets and

> > > > > putting down smooth flooring. I despise cold tiles, so I will probably

> > > > > do the radiant (under tile) heat thing. Actually I'm not crazy about

> > > > > tiles anyway, so I may go with what I love, which is sheet vinyl. It

is

> > > > > the least maintenance (to me) in the short run, though it must be

> > > > > replaced more often than tile.

> > > > >

> > > > > Have any of you posted a comprehensive list all in one place of what

all

> > > > > to do to a house?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you, all of you, for what you have taught me and shared of

> > > > > yourselves here.

> > > > >

> > > > > love,

> > > > > katie

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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I believe it . Re: progress Hi J - Yes, I think ceramic floor tile is good because it has to be glued down, and I doubt if the bugs can burrow into grout. Did you write something about ceramic tile emitting FIR wavelengths? My mom's house is bug-infested but I never feel any bugs in her ceramic tiled entryway. I also don't feel bugs on her vinyl flooring, but the ceramic tile looks better. The vinyl is glued to a concrete slab. Her carpets are a problem area, but she doesn't give a rip since the bugs don't like her.There is something otherworldly about the persistence of these bugs. Good luck with your contaminated gear. Maybe now you've got enough knowledge to disinfect your stuff, if it's salvageable.myrtle> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The first thing I want to say is that I seldom have time to read> > > > > everything here, so I am behind on the science. I am so glad that my> > > > > feeble efforts at scientific investigation are moot, which is why I have> > > > > stopped maintaining (paying for) the online resources I had posted when> > > > > we were still in our "dark ages."> > > > > > > > > > What I do maintain is the resources that don't cost me money, namely,> > > > > the critterfiles library, which is outdated but still has some good> > > > > stuff, and the memorials I mentioned in an earlier post tonight.> > > > > > > > > > My focus now is to continue with what is working for me:> > > > > > > > > > After the bioactive chitinase I drizzled over my body after a shower> > > > > caused the exit of thousands of squares of gelatinous material (was that> > > > > the bio-film, do you think?) within about 15 minutes of applying the> > > > > chitinase, my critters have been biting more--and more meanly--than> > > > > ever. That includes more shedding everywhere. I still have to wear long> > > > > sleeves and rubber boots at home to prevent reinfection from sheds,> > > > > HOWEVER, thanks to the benzoyl peroxide and salicylic acid combo I'm> > > > > using on my skin (DermaPet shampoo, formerly Dermabenss, about 59.99 /> > > > > gallon) my bites are smaller and smaller, and when I use my lice comb, I> > > > > get less and less off my scalp. So it is working!> > > > > > > > > > I have not yet succeeded in becoming unattractive to the critters, and> > > > > there are several things I have read here that I either have already> > > > > ordered or plan to order as I have the bucks.> > > > > > > > > > Also, after I dropped my Pink Oil/benzalchonium chloride/herbal insect> > > > > repellent from my regimen, I got, for the first time, what Bill calls> > > > > Twizzlers (good name). Also, I was getting bitten horribly throughout> > > > > the day (smaller, due to the BP shampoo, as mentioned above, but more> > > > > and meaner bites). I restarted the Pink Oil mixture and the reinfection> > > > > dropped to nearly nothing. The mixture is good for about 10 hours, then> > > > > I have to shower and start over. Also, the twizzlers went away. What> > > > > helped with them was applying the Clobetasol Propionate (prescription> > > > > steroid gel) to the spots. On a good day, when I apply that gel,> > > > > whatever was biting me comes out. It doesn't always work, but> > > > > fortunately whatever was causing these feelings was close enough to the> > > > > surface, not as deep as I thought, because after that--no more> > > > > twizzling.> > > > > > > > > > I still take the seabuckthorn berry oil internally at least a dropperful> > > > > daily. I also take (and have for several months) 340 mg of oregano oil> > > > > daily, and have just started taking about the same amount of Interfase> > > > > Plus, a chitinase that is often prescribed (though I don't know the> > > > > science behind it) for autism, according to the website where it is> > > > > sold.> > > > > > > > > > The seabuckthorn berry oil helps prevent lesions and once I have them,> > > > > to reduce the inflammation in them, and help them heal. The BP is> > > > > slower, but only requires one application and the lesions are on their> > > > > way to gone, whereas I have to reapply the SBT berry oil.> > > > > > > > > > It is turkey season, and I am a hunter, and I have lucked up on a lease> > > > > that has blinds on every food plot, portable cloth blinds that zip up> > > > > and keep things out. So I can turkey hunt again, in a comfortable chair,> > > > > rather than sitting against trees on the ground where everything in the> > > > > world got on me. This past weekend I called in a bird for the woman who> > > > > invited me onto this lease, her first bird, and it was such a pleasure> > > > > to be outdoors, but protected, and able to enjoy my sport without fear> > > > > of being swarmed. Of course I wore bug juice anyway! Then, when she got> > > > > her bird, we both put on disposable gloves and put the whole bird in a> > > > > giant ziploc bag with ice so it didn't infect my car. We took it to the> > > > > club lodge, where her husband and a friend of mine, who is a hunting> > > > > guide, got to see it and hear her story, and the friend gutted it and> > > > > then put it back into the ziploc without questioning my use of it (he> > > > > knows I have morg).> > > > > > > > > > After turkey season, I've scheduled a purge, starting with my garage,> > > > > where we track things in. It goes back to the old story about sweeping> > > > > the front stoop first, otherwise cleaning inside is kind of pointless.> > > > > Then I will clean the other areas where we come into the house and start> > > > > inside. I've read some terrific advice here about cleaning ductwork and> > > > > I've always known that I had to do something about the expansion joints> > > > > and gaps under molding. I'll finish off by yanking the carpets and> > > > > putting down smooth flooring. I despise cold tiles, so I will probably> > > > > do the radiant (under tile) heat thing. Actually I'm not crazy about> > > > > tiles anyway, so I may go with what I love, which is sheet vinyl. It is> > > > > the least maintenance (to me) in the short run, though it must be> > > > > replaced more often than tile.> > > > > > > > > > Have any of you posted a comprehensive list all in one place of what all> > > > > to do to a house?> > > > > > > > > > Thank you, all of you, for what you have taught me and shared of> > > > > yourselves here.> > > > > > > > > > love,> > > > > katie> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers. >Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (19) Recent Activity: * New Members 1 Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use. __________________________________________________________ Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. 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Hi Rose and Lynn, thanks for the advice I actually tried those things after the

poisons didn't work. I do like murphays and orange cleaners alot however I

didn't see a difference. Now I have started vacuuming everyday and also pilfered

an air cleaner from Dad's place. I think they are helping whatever I have is in

the air too and floating off the ceiling. I know it sounds nuts but I think

they also come out of my nose even thoug I can't see them. They are cowards.

Anyway thatnks for great advice I will also be looking into the coconut. I also

like Bill's idea of using it as mist to get the floaters and whatnot. Thanks

again, Tony

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The first thing I want to say is that I seldom have time to read

> > > > everything here, so I am behind on the science. I am so glad that my

> > > > feeble efforts at scientific investigation are moot, which is why I have

> > > > stopped maintaining (paying for) the online resources I had posted when

> > > > we were still in our " dark ages. "

> > > >

> > > > What I do maintain is the resources that don't cost me money, namely,

> > > > the critterfiles library, which is outdated but still has some good

> > > > stuff, and the memorials I mentioned in an earlier post tonight.

> > > >

> > > > My focus now is to continue with what is working for me:

> > > >

> > > > After the bioactive chitinase I drizzled over my body after a shower

> > > > caused the exit of thousands of squares of gelatinous material (was that

> > > > the bio-film, do you think?) within about 15 minutes of applying the

> > > > chitinase, my critters have been biting more--and more meanly--than

> > > > ever. That includes more shedding everywhere. I still have to wear long

> > > > sleeves and rubber boots at home to prevent reinfection from sheds,

> > > > HOWEVER, thanks to the benzoyl peroxide and salicylic acid combo I'm

> > > > using on my skin (DermaPet shampoo, formerly Dermabenss, about 59.99 /

> > > > gallon) my bites are smaller and smaller, and when I use my lice comb, I

> > > > get less and less off my scalp. So it is working!

> > > >

> > > > I have not yet succeeded in becoming unattractive to the critters, and

> > > > there are several things I have read here that I either have already

> > > > ordered or plan to order as I have the bucks.

> > > >

> > > > Also, after I dropped my Pink Oil/benzalchonium chloride/herbal insect

> > > > repellent from my regimen, I got, for the first time, what Bill calls

> > > > Twizzlers (good name). Also, I was getting bitten horribly throughout

> > > > the day (smaller, due to the BP shampoo, as mentioned above, but more

> > > > and meaner bites). I restarted the Pink Oil mixture and the reinfection

> > > > dropped to nearly nothing. The mixture is good for about 10 hours, then

> > > > I have to shower and start over. Also, the twizzlers went away. What

> > > > helped with them was applying the Clobetasol Propionate (prescription

> > > > steroid gel) to the spots. On a good day, when I apply that gel,

> > > > whatever was biting me comes out. It doesn't always work, but

> > > > fortunately whatever was causing these feelings was close enough to the

> > > > surface, not as deep as I thought, because after that--no more

> > > > twizzling.

> > > >

> > > > I still take the seabuckthorn berry oil internally at least a dropperful

> > > > daily. I also take (and have for several months) 340 mg of oregano oil

> > > > daily, and have just started taking about the same amount of Interfase

> > > > Plus, a chitinase that is often prescribed (though I don't know the

> > > > science behind it) for autism, according to the website where it is

> > > > sold.

> > > >

> > > > The seabuckthorn berry oil helps prevent lesions and once I have them,

> > > > to reduce the inflammation in them, and help them heal. The BP is

> > > > slower, but only requires one application and the lesions are on their

> > > > way to gone, whereas I have to reapply the SBT berry oil.

> > > >

> > > > It is turkey season, and I am a hunter, and I have lucked up on a lease

> > > > that has blinds on every food plot, portable cloth blinds that zip up

> > > > and keep things out. So I can turkey hunt again, in a comfortable chair,

> > > > rather than sitting against trees on the ground where everything in the

> > > > world got on me. This past weekend I called in a bird for the woman who

> > > > invited me onto this lease, her first bird, and it was such a pleasure

> > > > to be outdoors, but protected, and able to enjoy my sport without fear

> > > > of being swarmed. Of course I wore bug juice anyway! Then, when she got

> > > > her bird, we both put on disposable gloves and put the whole bird in a

> > > > giant ziploc bag with ice so it didn't infect my car. We took it to the

> > > > club lodge, where her husband and a friend of mine, who is a hunting

> > > > guide, got to see it and hear her story, and the friend gutted it and

> > > > then put it back into the ziploc without questioning my use of it (he

> > > > knows I have morg).

> > > >

> > > > After turkey season, I've scheduled a purge, starting with my garage,

> > > > where we track things in. It goes back to the old story about sweeping

> > > > the front stoop first, otherwise cleaning inside is kind of pointless.

> > > > Then I will clean the other areas where we come into the house and start

> > > > inside. I've read some terrific advice here about cleaning ductwork and

> > > > I've always known that I had to do something about the expansion joints

> > > > and gaps under molding. I'll finish off by yanking the carpets and

> > > > putting down smooth flooring. I despise cold tiles, so I will probably

> > > > do the radiant (under tile) heat thing. Actually I'm not crazy about

> > > > tiles anyway, so I may go with what I love, which is sheet vinyl. It is

> > > > the least maintenance (to me) in the short run, though it must be

> > > > replaced more often than tile.

> > > >

> > > > Have any of you posted a comprehensive list all in one place of what all

> > > > to do to a house?

> > > >

> > > > Thank you, all of you, for what you have taught me and shared of

> > > > yourselves here.

> > > >

> > > > love,

> > > > katie

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Hi Mrytle, thank you so much, for the floor idea. I bet that's my problem both

with the sleanent and the underside . How disgusting about them living 2 years

in your bedframe. I always wondered if steam cleaning and all the old protocols

even work. I read somewhere they withstand 1000 degree temps so wtf. All my

pitiful protocols can't touch that monster. No wonder peeps just throw shit out

and move. Then I read somewhere else someone experimented and noticed under the

scope that amonia killed them.

Lynn that's a good one about Tony's resturaunt. LOL. I'm not sure about the

moving thing. In my case I get major relief when I stay at the x's or even other

places. Even there for several days it doesn't seem like there's a problem. I

know so many peeps here moved and it helped alot even if it didn't get rid of

them totally. Also in my case there is huge environmental problem which is why i

feel so good when I stay somewhere else. I don't get floaters or foot biters

except here unfortunately i can't afford to move now.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The first thing I want to say is that I seldom have time to read

> > > > > everything here, so I am behind on the science. I am so glad that my

> > > > > feeble efforts at scientific investigation are moot, which is why I

have

> > > > > stopped maintaining (paying for) the online resources I had posted

when

> > > > > we were still in our " dark ages. "

> > > > >

> > > > > What I do maintain is the resources that don't cost me money, namely,

> > > > > the critterfiles library, which is outdated but still has some good

> > > > > stuff, and the memorials I mentioned in an earlier post tonight.

> > > > >

> > > > > My focus now is to continue with what is working for me:

> > > > >

> > > > > After the bioactive chitinase I drizzled over my body after a shower

> > > > > caused the exit of thousands of squares of gelatinous material (was

that

> > > > > the bio-film, do you think?) within about 15 minutes of applying the

> > > > > chitinase, my critters have been biting more--and more meanly--than

> > > > > ever. That includes more shedding everywhere. I still have to wear

long

> > > > > sleeves and rubber boots at home to prevent reinfection from sheds,

> > > > > HOWEVER, thanks to the benzoyl peroxide and salicylic acid combo I'm

> > > > > using on my skin (DermaPet shampoo, formerly Dermabenss, about 59.99 /

> > > > > gallon) my bites are smaller and smaller, and when I use my lice comb,

I

> > > > > get less and less off my scalp. So it is working!

> > > > >

> > > > > I have not yet succeeded in becoming unattractive to the critters, and

> > > > > there are several things I have read here that I either have already

> > > > > ordered or plan to order as I have the bucks.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, after I dropped my Pink Oil/benzalchonium chloride/herbal insect

> > > > > repellent from my regimen, I got, for the first time, what Bill calls

> > > > > Twizzlers (good name). Also, I was getting bitten horribly throughout

> > > > > the day (smaller, due to the BP shampoo, as mentioned above, but more

> > > > > and meaner bites). I restarted the Pink Oil mixture and the

reinfection

> > > > > dropped to nearly nothing. The mixture is good for about 10 hours,

then

> > > > > I have to shower and start over. Also, the twizzlers went away. What

> > > > > helped with them was applying the Clobetasol Propionate (prescription

> > > > > steroid gel) to the spots. On a good day, when I apply that gel,

> > > > > whatever was biting me comes out. It doesn't always work, but

> > > > > fortunately whatever was causing these feelings was close enough to

the

> > > > > surface, not as deep as I thought, because after that--no more

> > > > > twizzling.

> > > > >

> > > > > I still take the seabuckthorn berry oil internally at least a

dropperful

> > > > > daily. I also take (and have for several months) 340 mg of oregano oil

> > > > > daily, and have just started taking about the same amount of Interfase

> > > > > Plus, a chitinase that is often prescribed (though I don't know the

> > > > > science behind it) for autism, according to the website where it is

> > > > > sold.

> > > > >

> > > > > The seabuckthorn berry oil helps prevent lesions and once I have them,

> > > > > to reduce the inflammation in them, and help them heal. The BP is

> > > > > slower, but only requires one application and the lesions are on their

> > > > > way to gone, whereas I have to reapply the SBT berry oil.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is turkey season, and I am a hunter, and I have lucked up on a

lease

> > > > > that has blinds on every food plot, portable cloth blinds that zip up

> > > > > and keep things out. So I can turkey hunt again, in a comfortable

chair,

> > > > > rather than sitting against trees on the ground where everything in

the

> > > > > world got on me. This past weekend I called in a bird for the woman

who

> > > > > invited me onto this lease, her first bird, and it was such a pleasure

> > > > > to be outdoors, but protected, and able to enjoy my sport without fear

> > > > > of being swarmed. Of course I wore bug juice anyway! Then, when she

got

> > > > > her bird, we both put on disposable gloves and put the whole bird in a

> > > > > giant ziploc bag with ice so it didn't infect my car. We took it to

the

> > > > > club lodge, where her husband and a friend of mine, who is a hunting

> > > > > guide, got to see it and hear her story, and the friend gutted it and

> > > > > then put it back into the ziploc without questioning my use of it (he

> > > > > knows I have morg).

> > > > >

> > > > > After turkey season, I've scheduled a purge, starting with my garage,

> > > > > where we track things in. It goes back to the old story about sweeping

> > > > > the front stoop first, otherwise cleaning inside is kind of pointless.

> > > > > Then I will clean the other areas where we come into the house and

start

> > > > > inside. I've read some terrific advice here about cleaning ductwork

and

> > > > > I've always known that I had to do something about the expansion

joints

> > > > > and gaps under molding. I'll finish off by yanking the carpets and

> > > > > putting down smooth flooring. I despise cold tiles, so I will probably

> > > > > do the radiant (under tile) heat thing. Actually I'm not crazy about

> > > > > tiles anyway, so I may go with what I love, which is sheet vinyl. It

is

> > > > > the least maintenance (to me) in the short run, though it must be

> > > > > replaced more often than tile.

> > > > >

> > > > > Have any of you posted a comprehensive list all in one place of what

all

> > > > > to do to a house?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you, all of you, for what you have taught me and shared of

> > > > > yourselves here.

> > > > >

> > > > > love,

> > > > > katie

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Hi Tony -- Steam cleaning and dehumidifying helped me get the bugs off my floor,

but like I said my flooring is glued to a concrete slab so there was nowhere for

them to run and hide. I did extra steam cleaning along the baseboards. I never

heard anything about 1000 degrees to kill them. I think about 160 degrees

should be enough to cook them and their little eggs. My steamer heats the water

to 200 and then I had figured the steam must be at least 160 when it comes out

the steam tube. I've heard that ammonia will kill them but I never wanted to

spray it here because I have pets and I don't want to ruin my floors. Plus it

stinks. The most effective protocol is to burn everything to the ground, but

that's not very practical.

myrtle

>

> Hi Mrytle, thank you so much, for the floor idea. I bet that's my problem both

with the sleanent and the underside . How disgusting about them living 2 years

in your bedframe. I always wondered if steam cleaning and all the old protocols

even work. I read somewhere they withstand 1000 degree temps so wtf. All my

pitiful protocols can't touch that monster. No wonder peeps just throw shit out

and move. Then I read somewhere else someone experimented and noticed under the

scope that amonia killed them.

>

> Lynn that's a good one about Tony's resturaunt. LOL. I'm not sure about the

moving thing. In my case I get major relief when I stay at the x's or even other

places. Even there for several days it doesn't seem like there's a problem. I

know so many peeps here moved and it helped alot even if it didn't get rid of

them totally. Also in my case there is huge environmental problem which is why i

feel so good when I stay somewhere else. I don't get floaters or foot biters

except here unfortunately i can't afford to move now.

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Thanks Myrtle, for these extra ideas. Tony

> >

> > Hi Mrytle, thank you so much, for the floor idea. I bet that's my problem

both with the sleanent and the underside . How disgusting about them living 2

years in your bedframe. I always wondered if steam cleaning and all the old

protocols even work. I read somewhere they withstand 1000 degree temps so wtf.

All my pitiful protocols can't touch that monster. No wonder peeps just throw

shit out and move. Then I read somewhere else someone experimented and noticed

under the scope that amonia killed them.

> >

> > Lynn that's a good one about Tony's resturaunt. LOL. I'm not sure about the

moving thing. In my case I get major relief when I stay at the x's or even other

places. Even there for several days it doesn't seem like there's a problem. I

know so many peeps here moved and it helped alot even if it didn't get rid of

them totally. Also in my case there is huge environmental problem which is why i

feel so good when I stay somewhere else. I don't get floaters or foot biters

except here unfortunately i can't afford to move now.

>

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I was just joking about the fire!

> >

> >

> > Hi Tony -- Steam cleaning and dehumidifying helped me get the bugs off my

floor, but like I said my flooring is glued to a concrete slab so there was

nowhere for them to run and hide. I did extra steam cleaning along the

baseboards. I never heard anything about 1000 degrees to kill them. I think

about 160 degrees should be enough to cook them and their little eggs. My

steamer heats the water to 200 and then I had figured the steam must be at least

160 when it comes out the steam tube. I've heard that ammonia will kill them

but I never wanted to spray it here because I have pets and I don't want to ruin

my floors. Plus it stinks. The most effective protocol is to burn everything

to the ground, but that's not very practical.

> >

> > myrtle

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Today I went to see a senior doctor at my practice for the results of my latest

blood tests (below). I am now on 100 mcg thyroxine.

TSH 1.1 (range 0.27-4.2)

Free T4 21.8 (range 12.0-22.0)

Free T3 4.0 (range 3.1-6.8)

I feel a bit more awake these days, but still have most of my symptoms left:

fatigue; muscle pain; weakness and cramps; poor sleep; dry, sore eyes; dry skin;

loss of body hair; brain fog; hot flushes; IBS; asthma; inability to tolerate

heat or cold.

This senior doctor did seem much better than the ones I normally see. Initially

she just said everything was " within the normal range " . I pointed out that the

Free T3 was low and should ideally be in the top third of the range. I also

said that people with ME often have problems converting T4 to T3. Instead of

freaking out (as other doctors at my practice would have done) she just said

that she didn't know about that. Fair enough!

I asked to see an endocrinologist at the local hospital (from Sheila's list).

The doctor said she would write to her with my latest test results and my

remaining symptoms and see whether the consultant would agree to see me. She

took care to agree everything with me instead of just trying to impose her

opinion. I was so nervous about this appointment, but it looks more hopeful

that I should be able to get the correct treatment through the NHS eventually.

Miriam

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Hi Miriam

Sounds very much like my wife's situation when on 100mcg but your symptoms are

worse. My wife saw an endo at that stage and asked to be put on to T3. He went

along with that and prescribed 75 T4 20 T3. That was an improvement but wasn't

the answer and she didn't want to go back to the endo because he had made it

clear he wouldn't go higher on the T3 (mainly because he didn't really have much

experience with T3 but knew all about the heart/bone density scare stories).

Instead she went and saw Dr P who was in no doubt that she should move to 50 T4

and 30 T3. That did the trick. Some days she has 40 T3 if she's going to be

doing anything stressful or even more when something particularly stressful is

coming up that day. Most days though, 50 T4 and 30 T3 is fine.

Of course that's what suited my wife. It may not apply to you of course.

However, there can be no harm in having a trial course of T3 while dropping back

a bit on T4.

TC

>

> Today I went to see a senior doctor at my practice for the results of my

latest blood tests (below). I am now on 100 mcg thyroxine.

>

> TSH 1.1 (range 0.27-4.2)

> Free T4 21.8 (range 12.0-22.0)

> Free T3 4.0 (range 3.1-6.8)

>

> I feel a bit more awake these days, but still have most of my symptoms left:

fatigue; muscle pain; weakness and cramps; poor sleep; dry, sore eyes; dry skin;

loss of body hair; brain fog; hot flushes; IBS; asthma; inability to tolerate

heat or cold.

>

> This senior doctor did seem much better than the ones I normally see.

Initially she just said everything was " within the normal range " . I pointed out

that the Free T3 was low and should ideally be in the top third of the range. I

also said that people with ME often have problems converting T4 to T3. Instead

of freaking out (as other doctors at my practice would have done) she just said

that she didn't know about that. Fair enough!

>

> I asked to see an endocrinologist at the local hospital (from Sheila's list).

The doctor said she would write to her with my latest test results and my

remaining symptoms and see whether the consultant would agree to see me. She

took care to agree everything with me instead of just trying to impose her

opinion. I was so nervous about this appointment, but it looks more hopeful

that I should be able to get the correct treatment through the NHS eventually.

>

> Miriam

>

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Hi Miriam

From your test results, it looks like you are still suffering

with many of the symptoms because the mainly inactive thyroxine is not converting

to the active thyroid hormone T3. Had it been, the free T4 would have been much

lower in the reference interval and the free T3 would have been in the upper

third of the reference range. It looks like you need a trial of T3

(Liothyronine) either adding to your Thyroxine (which should be lowered at that

time), T3 alone, or natural thyroid extract.

I do hope you get the longed for appointment and that after you

have seen him/her that you will be on the road to recovery. I very much doubt

that a good doctor who knows his stuff would keep you on levothyroxine-only

with such results. But, keep us in the picture.

Luv - Sheila

Today I went to see a senior doctor at my

practice for the results of my latest blood tests (below). I am now on 100 mcg

thyroxine.

TSH 1.1 (range 0.27-4.2)

Free T4 21.8 (range 12.0-22.0)

Free T3 4.0 (range 3.1-6.8)

I feel a bit more awake these days, but still have most of my symptoms left:

fatigue; muscle pain; weakness and cramps; poor sleep; dry, sore eyes; dry

skin; loss of body hair; brain fog; hot flushes; IBS; asthma; inability to

tolerate heat or cold.

_,_._,___

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Thanks, Sheila. The GP I saw has said she will write to the endocrinologist

(who is on your list). As you say, if the endocrinologist knows her stuff she

shouldn't leave me in such a situation.

Miriam

> From your test results, it looks like you are still suffering with many of the

symptoms because the mainly inactive thyroxine is not converting to the active

thyroid hormone T3. Had it been, the free T4 would have been much lower in the

reference interval and the free T3 would have been in the upper third of the

reference range. It looks like you need a trial of T3 (Liothyronine) either

adding to your Thyroxine (which should be lowered at that time), T3 alone, or

natural thyroid extract.

>

> I do hope you get the longed for appointment and that after you have seen

him/her that you will be on the road to recovery. I very much doubt that a good

doctor who knows his stuff would keep you on levothyroxine-only with such

results. But, keep us in the picture.

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