Re: Has anyone Bought natural prog cream from progesterone.co.uk

[Guest guest]

I think that should be " Wellsprings " brand at www.progesterone.co.uk. It is

easy to get the two Serenity creams muddled up, but I think that is the one that

is supposedly not as good.

I used to buy the Wellsprings brand and now get the " Certified Potency " Serenity

from www.progesterone.org.uk. Neither of them have cured my hot flushes, I must

say.

We haven't yet had a definitive answer from users on this group. Basically,

what we need to know is, have people on this group tried one cream and found it

ineffective, and then tried another one and found it worked? Or is the idea

that one contains inferior Chinese progesterone just a marketing ploy by the

rival manufacturer?

Miriam

> Has anyone bought this from this site, as there is so many web sites Selling

this. It is serenity wellness brand

> Thank

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[Guest guest]

I took both of those creams/ or rather I applied both of those creams; with little or no effect.

I have been taking DHEA for around 6-7years and this allowed me to go through meopause with the blink of an eye...none of those reported symptoms really happened. Infact I have stopped my periods for around 18months now and that is the way I know I have gone through menopause!

I do also take a myriad or different vitamins and minerals to support the adrenals and have done for some many years now....this is on going I will continue until I die with this regime since the adrenal glands do lower their output overtime/with greater age. DHEA is produced naturally by the adrenal glands and it is the precursor to our sex hormones, so without it we cannot manufacture the right levels of our sex hormones, even with good working ovaries/testies. It is therefore a good support for the adrenals as they no longer have to worry about manufacturing the DHEA, they can get on with manufacturing the other myriad of steroid hormones; including Cortisol and Adrenaline/nor-Adrenaline.

The beauty of DHEA is that it can become any of the several sex hormones. YOUR BODY DECIDES WHICH. Whereas the creams apply just one of the several sex hormones and this may not be the one your body needs! Also with creams there can be a build up subdermally which may suddenly cause you problems as it releases into your body.

I get my DHEA on NHS prescription from my doc.

I think that should be "Wellsprings" brand at www.progesterone.co.uk. It is easy to get the two Serenity creams muddled up, but I think that is the one that is supposedly not as good. I used to buy the Wellsprings brand and now get the "Certified Potency" Serenity from www.progesterone.org.uk. Neither of them have cured my hot flushes, I must say.

[Guest guest]

Hi there Sally

Was wondering if you can recommend a brand of DHEA. I'd like to give it a try

and didnt realise there were so many to choose from.

thanks a lot

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> I took both of those creams/ or rather I applied both of those creams; with

little or no effect.

> I have been taking DHEA for around 6-7years and this allowed me to go through

meopause with the blink of an eye...none of those reported symptoms really

happened.  Infact I have stopped my periods for around 18months now and that is

the way I know I have gone through menopause!

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I have used cream from both companies.

I started with the Wellspring progesterone only cream but after a month didn't

really notice much benefit, so it was suggested I used their 20 to 1 which

contains oestrogen. That worked fine for me and the severe anxiety I had for

which I took the serenity totally disappeared. The hot flushes did also, but

they were never really a problem. For reasons I cannot now remember I reverted

back to the progesterone only cream but used twice the amount I had used before.

This time it worked perfectly.

It is hard to measure out the correct amount! 1/8th of a teaspoon.

I had to order some more but by mistake went to the Original serenity site

(.org.uk) - so then got confused as to which cream to use. I did some research

and although the original company would accuse Wellspring of using chinese

ingredients, Wellspring site says they don't - here is the page

http://progesterone.co.uk/ingredients.htm. I then found some documents in the

Files section of this forum about Progesterone, they are worth reading as both

companies " arguments " are mentioned. Wellspring were also accused of using

petro chemicals. Now that I don't know. The original company seemed wrong about

their other accusation of using chinese ingredients. One documents also seem to

say that the manufacturer owned the original forumula and that both companies

could use it ....

At the end of the day I decided which ever cream worked the best etc would be

the one I would use. I was going to compare the ingredients though and try and

research whether any were bad but then I noticed on the original company site

they did a " green " cream and the ingredients seemed very friendly indeed

compared. So I decided to try it and it works great. Works just as well as

Wellspring did. The cream is a bit thinner so to me it doesnt go on as easily as

you need to spread it around more for it to be absorbed, but that is just a

minor point. They don't appear to do a cream with addition of oestrogen though.

If you find the wellspring cream not getting rid of hot flushes then read their

page on the 20 to 1 cream ( http://progesterone.co.uk/20-1-cream.htm ) as could

be you need the addition of some oestrogen. Or it could be you are not using

enough of the cream as happened to me. I mean how do you measure out 1/8th of a

teaspoon. It really is not easy.

Personally I am staying with the Green cream but only because the ingredients

seem kinder, both companies products worked fine for me once I got the amount

correct. If though I ever find I need oestroegen again, then will have to go

back to Wellspring for that.

Sue

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> I think that should be " Wellsprings " brand at www.progesterone.co.uk. It is

easy to get the two Serenity creams muddled up, but I think that is the one that

is supposedly not as good.

>

> I used to buy the Wellsprings brand and now get the " Certified Potency "

Serenity from www.progesterone.org.uk. Neither of them have

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

The one I currently get through my loal Boots chemist (as I said I get it on NHS prescription via my GP) is from DOUGLAS LABORATORIES 25mgs Sublingual. I tend to crunch it up along with T3 and NDT first thing in the morning upon waking and leave it all to dissolve in my mouth and absorb through the mucosa. 25mgs is the maximum dose for women unless supervised and 50mgs for men.

I would warn you that when I first took it my body seemed to convert it to testosterone in levels higher than I needed as a woman:- the outcome was one or two spots occurred on my face, (which I hadnt experienced for years); and I did grow some rather whiskery hairs on my face too. These were removed through plucking....it was literally one or two I didnt grow a beard or anything. This lasted about 6-8months and then settled down to the point whereby I now have less facial hair than I did before I took it (whilst still hypothyroid and untreated) and certainly no spots. I feel calmer so far as my hormones are concerned (even before menopause).....and that is a joy for me and those around me!!!! tehe.

The above side effects seem to happen whilst your body sorts itself out. As an untreated/undertreated hypothyroid I had even started to grow thick hair on the back of my hands and suffered PMS for all those 30years I was undiagnosed....that all resolved with the DHEA BEFORE I got the correct levels of treatment for hypothyroidism.

The only caution I would have is that any cancers with hormonal influences MAY like DHEA and you are advised to take '7Keto-DHEA' instead.

I do use Biovea as a company for other supplements and I think they do a DHEA if you cant get your GP to supply it. Best of luck . Do let me know how you get on.

Was wondering if you can recommend a brand of DHEA. I'd like to give it a try and didnt realise there were so many to choose from.

[Guest guest]

I don't know exactly what is in this serenity cream that most of you are using

but if it were authentic bioidentical hormone it would have an effect on your

system...one way or the other. To my knowledge no one is getting the real

bioidenticals over there. If you have a DR who knows what he's doing and a

pharmacist to make up the correct formula, you should be able to have

bioidenticals made at a compounding pharmacy without any problems.....and

produced correctly.

I do not and have never suggested DHEA for women at 25mgs but this is

consistently being suggested here. Women should only take 5-10 mgs of DHEA a

couple times a week, not every day. Hormones need to build slowly otherwise

things get out of control. I already know this is causing problems with women

who have been told to take 25 mgs or more a day. It often turns into

testosterone, and women only need a small bit of that, not large amounts. It is

also very noticeable when women have too much testosterone. They become far too

aggressive and argumentative. We see mild mannered women become control freaks

and the anger is quite prominent as well. It's very easy to spot.

Hormones are not candy. You should always take the slow road when it comes to

dosing and notice the changes and jot it down everyday. Any time a new program

is started you must take notes for yourself, this way when a problem arises, you

can look back over your notes to see exactly what is causing the distress, or

joy.

On the other end of the Spectrum we see men now who have WAY TOO MUCH ESTROGEN

in their systems. They are easy to spot as well. They become far too moody and

emotional and have quite a few emotional explosions. They wear their heart out

on their sleeves and they become very feminine in their daily activities. They

become gossipy as well. There is quite a long list and I recommend books by Jed

Diamond to help with the symptoms of this as well. He has done a great deal of

research on Male Irritable syndrome and we all appreciate his knowledge in this

area. This is also easily healed by men taking the proper amounts of

testosterone to balance the offset.

About 15 years ago we had an epidemic of women over 50 divorcing their husbands

because of this excess estrogen syndrome in men. The women could no longer stand

to be around their lifetime partners because they wouldn't take the hormones. As

my colleagues and I always discuss, *it is the SMART men who take the

bioidentical hormones* and save their marriages. The men who do not, continue

down the downward spiral and never surface again. It's so easily treated in most

situations but men often refuse this simple cure. What surprises us the most is

the male medical advisors who have simple access to these tests and hormones yet

who will not take them... Ahh....the EGO. Unfortunately, arrogance knows no

boundaries.

Cheers,

JOT

> I took both of those creams/ or rather I applied both of those creams; with

little or no effect.

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone

Thanks for all your responses. Il look into the recommended sites, i noticed

that many of you take this whilst going thru the menopause but I want to take

this to help with pmt, has this helped anyone with this problem.

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Sally

Thanks, as always for so much very useful information.

Well done you for sticking with it....I think the hairy hands may have deterred

me, hahaha

I'm doing further research before taking the plunge as it were.

Best wishes and thanks again.

J

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> Hi ,

> The one I currently get through my loal Boots chemist (as I said I get it on

NHS prescription via my GP) is from DOUGLAS LABORATORIES 25mgs Sublingual.  I

tend to crunch it up along with T3 and NDT first thing in the morning upon

waking and leave it all to dissolve in my mouth and absorb through the mucosa. 

25mgs is the maximum dose for women unless supervised and 50mgs for men.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue

I use the progesterone.org one and find it works well sometimes and others, as

now, hardly atall. But I think, like you, I might have been trying to economise

a tad and am not using enough. Interesting to see the 'green' one worked best

for you...I tried it and Nothing. I may give it another go next time. Thanks for

the info !

J

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> Hi,

> I have used cream from both companies.

>

> I started with the Wellspring progesterone only cream but after a month didn't

really notice much benefit, so it was suggested I used their 20 to 1 which

contains oestrogen. That worked fine for me and the severe anxiety I had for

which I took the serenity totally disappeared. The hot flushes did also, but

they were never really a problem. For reasons I cannot now remember I reverted

back to the progesterone only cream but used twice the amount I had used before.

This time it worked perfectly.

>

[Guest guest]

DHEA - 25mgs as I stated is the recommended MAXIMUM dose for women and 50mgs the MAXIMUM dose for men.

I myself was prescribed DHEA by Dr Myhill and Dr Peatfield and they both suggested I take UP TO 25mgs. It is not necessary for all women to take the same dose and some women need more others need less.

The symptoms of too much testosterone, as a side effect of taking DHEA supplement, settles down in time. It took me about 6-8 months for my body to get used to the DHEA and stop turning it to mainly testosterone.

HOWEVER, in our situations ; where we have had hypothyroidism and its symptoms for years before appropriate treatment is given/achieved, it is common for our hormones to be out of sync. With DHEA the body will decide what it needs to do with it; that is which of the sex hormones and how much; and this must be better than self guessing and apply only one or two of the several sex hormones. For example we have three different oestrogens in our body, when supplementing which one of those three do we need and which ones are we giving and in what quantities? Do we take that into consideration.

Whilst women DO NEED testosterone I agree we need it in smaller quantities than do men. Similarly men need oestrogens and progesterone but in small quantitities than do women. However, when womens hormones are imbalanced, it is likely they may be low in testosterone this can be a real problem, if supplementation is not given; further the hormonal problems will not be resolved until testosterone is given. Many of us think we are oestrogen dominant and thereby give progesterone yet completely ignor testosterone. By simply giving progestrone and oestrogens testosterone is being ignored, this hormone is just as important as the others. DHEA answerst this problem. I dont think you should dismiss it.

For me personally, DHEA has been WONDERFUL. It has helped balance my hormones which had been out of sync for at least >35years; infact most of my menstral life. At last I have been able to improve on that front and creams didnt help me DHEA did. DHEA is also a strong support for adrenals and commonly of course the adrenals are out of sync also.

Please dont dismiss this treatment, it is a good treatment for some if not all.

I don't know exactly what is in this serenity cream that most of you are using but if it were authentic bioidentical hormone it would have an effect on your system...one way or the other. To my knowledge no one is getting the real bioidenticals over there. If you have a DR who knows what he's doing and a pharmacist to make up the correct formula, you should be able to have bioidenticals made at a compounding pharmacy without any problems.....and produced correctly.I do not and have never suggested DHEA for women at 25mgs but this is consistently being suggested here. Women should only take 5-10 mgs of DHEA a couple times a week, not every day. Hormones need to build slowly otherwise things get out of control. I already know this is causing problems with women who have been told to take 25 mgs or more a day. It often turns into testosterone, and women only need a small bit of that, not large amounts. It is also very noticeable when women have

too much testosterone. They become far too aggressive and argumentative. We see mild mannered women become control freaks and the anger is quite prominent as well. It's very easy to spot. Hormones are not candy. You should always take the slow road when it comes to dosing and notice the changes and jot it down everyday. Any time a new program is started you must take notes for yourself, this way when a problem arises, you can look back over your notes to see exactly what is causing the distress, or joy.On the other end of the Spectrum we see men now who have WAY TOO MUCH ESTROGEN in their systems. They are easy to spot as well. They become far too moody and emotional and have quite a few emotional explosions. They wear their heart out on their sleeves and they become very feminine in their daily activities. They become gossipy as well. There is quite a long list and I recommend books by Jed Diamond to help with the symptoms of this as

well. He has done a great deal of research on Male Irritable syndrome and we all appreciate his knowledge in this area. This is also easily healed by men taking the proper amounts of testosterone to balance the offset. About 15 years ago we had an epidemic of women over 50 divorcing their husbands because of this excess estrogen syndrome in men. The women could no longer stand to be around their lifetime partners because they wouldn't take the hormones. As my colleagues and I always discuss, *it is the SMART men who take the bioidentical hormones* and save their marriages. The men who do not, continue down the downward spiral and never surface again. It's so easily treated in most situations but men often refuse this simple cure. What surprises us the most is the male medical advisors who have simple access to these tests and hormones yet who will not take them... Ahh....the EGO. Unfortunately, arrogance knows no

boundaries.Cheers,JOT> I took both of those creams/ or rather I applied both of those creams; with little or no effect.

[Guest guest]

> I don't know exactly what is in this serenity cream that most of you are using

but if it were authentic bioidentical hormone it would have an effect on your

system...one way or the other. To my knowledge no one is getting the real

bioidenticals over there. ......

The Serenity cream from www.progesterone.org.uk claims to be the original

Lee formula, and it comes from the States.

I don't agree that a lack of effect proves it is not an authentic bioidentical

hormone. In my case, for example, lab tests showed I was deficient in

progesterone, oestrogen and DHEA. So far I have only managed to replace the

progesterone. That hasn't done the job, but that is most probably because I

need to correct all the deficiencies, not just the one.

> If you have a DR who knows what he's doing and a pharmacist to make up the

correct formula, you should be able to have bioidenticals made at a compounding

pharmacy without any problems.....and produced correctly. . . . .

I think if we had doctors who knew what they were doing, we wouldn't have to

resort to helping each other via groups such as this!

Miriam

[Guest guest]

As you say, DHEA is a precursor. When I tried Pregnenolone, also a precursor,

that did nothing for me. I wondered whether it was because my body temperature

was too low for the enzymes to function which help make the conversions. ?

Miriam

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> I took both of those creams/ or rather I applied both of those creams; with

little or no effect.

DHEA is produced naturally by the adrenal glands and it is the precursor to our

sex hormones, so without it we cannot manufacture the right levels of our sex

hormones, even with good working ovaries/testies. It is therefore a good support

for the adrenals as they no longer have to worry about manufacturing the DHEA,

they can get on with manufacturing the other myriad of steroid hormones;

including Cortisol and Adrenaline/nor-Adrenaline.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your suggestions. I'll give the 20-1 cream a try for a start as I

know I am also oestrogen deficient. If that doesn't do anything I might try

DHEA again, though that appeared to do nothing last time.

Miriam

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> If you find the wellspring cream not getting rid of hot flushes then read

their page on the 20 to 1 cream ( http://progesterone.co.uk/20-1-cream.htm ) as

could be you need the addition of some oestrogen. Or it could be you are not

using enough of the cream as happened to me. I mean how do you measure out 1/8th

of a teaspoon. It really is not easy.

>

> Personally I am staying with the Green cream but only because the ingredients

seem kinder, both companies products worked fine for me once I got the amount

correct. If though I ever find I need oestroegen again, then will have to go

back to Wellspring for that.

[Guest guest]

But you do have DRs who *supposedly* know what they are doing.....why aren't

they writing a script to have a pharmacist make you a batch of biodenticals?

Testosterone, Estradiol, Progesterone...it's not that hard to figure out. Are

bioidenticals illegal in the UK?

Clearly the NHS won't be paying for it and it will come out of your own pocket

but I'd think by now someone would latch onto the idea that this would be a good

business plan. If I lived in the UK, this would be something I'd immediately

consider.

Cheers,

JOT

> I think if we had doctors who knew what they were doing, we wouldn't have to

resort to helping each other via groups such as this!

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> Miriam

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[Guest guest]

I don't know of any compounding pharmacists here in the UK. I have to get my

script sent to Germany.

Does anyone else know of a compounding pharmacist in the UK?

chris

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> But you do have DRs who *supposedly* know what they are doing.....why aren't

they writing a script to have a pharmacist make you a batch of biodenticals?

Testosterone, Estradiol, Progesterone...it's not that hard to figure out. Are

bioidenticals illegal in the UK?

[Guest guest]

Give these guys a ring and ask them if there are any compounding pharmacies

and/or if they teach compounding as part of their curriculum...maybe you could

get them to start a practice out of the University like they do with other

professions....??

Cheers,

JOT

> I don't know of any compounding pharmacists here in the UK. I have to get my

script sent to Germany.

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> Does anyone else know of a compounding pharmacist in the UK?

[Guest guest]

> DHEA - 25mgs as I stated is the recommended MAXIMUM dose for women and 50mgs the MAXIMUM dose for men.Actually Sally, you consistently leave out the word MAXIMUM, when you suggest 25 mgs of DHEA to Women and this will cause problems. DHEA is nothing to be playing games with and I will remind women that DHEA needs to be started at 5- 10 mgs NOT 25 mgs. With DHEA the body will decide what it needs to do with it; that is which of the sex hormones and how much; Â and this must be better than self guessing and apply only one or two of the several sex hormones.In a perfect world, the DHEA or any other substance we put into our bodies will give us the effect we wish and/or order it to do. Perhaps the medication isn't reading what it says on the bottle? This does not always work nor should it be suggested it does. If all medication did exactly what we thought it would do, we certainly would'nt have any problems at all..and we wouldn't need to be monitored or need labs to tell us about our levels. Another problem I see which is not addressed enough is that women need to be examined on BHRT, DHEA and also HRT. Just because it is bioidentical does NOT mean it won't do any harm. Women on bioidenticals need a complete cervical, pap, and breast exam at least once a year and if just starting on BHRT, the first exam should be within 6 months. We have women who are not following these very important guidelines. If you are taking any form of these hormones, this is a MUST. ONE WEEK DURING THE MONTH YOU MUST COME OFF ALL CREAMS, DROPS, ETC. Every month. This is very important as well. The body needs a rest from bioidenticals and it is best to do this. A build up of Bio in the body is not going to help and will cause more harm. Give the body a much needed break and allow it to re-balance itself.Cheers,JOT > > I do not and have never suggested DHEA for women at 25mgs but this is consistently being suggested here. Women should only take 5-10 mgs of DHEA a couple times a week, not every day. Hormones need to build slowly otherwise things get out of control. I already know this is causing problems with women who have been told to take 25 mgs or more a day. It often turns into testosterone, and women only need a small bit of that, not large amounts. It is also very noticeable when women have too much testosterone. They become far too aggressive and argumentative. We see mild mannered women become control freaks and the anger is quite prominent as well. It's very easy to spot.

[Guest guest]

I suppose you must be talking about private doctors? That is another reason we

need groups like this, to let each other know who they are and where they

practise.

My NHS doctors refused to recognise the lab tests showing I was deficient in

various hormones, and they are simply too scared to prescribe any hormones in

any case since the synthetic HRT causing cancer scares.

Miriam

> But you do have DRs who *supposedly* know what they are doing.....why aren't

they writing a script to have a pharmacist make you a batch of biodenticals?

Testosterone, Estradiol, Progesterone...it's not that hard to figure out. Are

bioidenticals illegal in the UK?

>

> Clearly the NHS won't be paying for it and it will come out of your own pocket

but I'd think by now someone would latch onto the idea that this would be a good

business plan. If I lived in the UK, this would be something I'd immediately

consider.

[Guest guest]

Hi all

Thanks for all your responses I think I am very much in the dark ages in regards

to hormones as I've never heard of dhea. I've looked on the web regarding this

and it's so confusing.. Can anyone give me the low down on this product and what

does.

Thanks

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> Thanks for your suggestions. I'll give the 20-1 cream a try for a start as I

know I am also oestrogen deficient. If that doesn't do anything I might try

DHEA again, though that appeared to do nothing last time.

[Ed]