Re: I feel like i am never going to get better

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve

Please don't despair! I am sorry you're feeling bad.

It sounds like helped you a lot before, have you contacted him to see if he

can offer any suggestions in your case?

> Firstly i would just like to appologise if i have been off with anyone on here

over the last couple of weeks im just not feeling myself. *I am geting angry

over nothing* and taking it out on other people im just not myself at the

minute....

Could that be a low cortisol symptom?

>* The story of my life so far is nothing works for me even when it works for

other people*, the the latest thing being pauls early morning dosing. I am up

and down up and down. When im on adrenal support my blood sugar issue's are 10x

worse, but when im not on adrenal support everything else seems worse i dont

know whether im coming or going or wtf to do.

*Perhaps it's not helped you because it's not addressed your issue?*

By blood sugar issues, do you mean craving sugar, or feeling hypoglycmic, or

actual raised or low blood sugar as per your glucose meter? When you are on

adrenal support, do you feel better apart from the sugar issues? Have you

looked into alternative adrenal support like medrol?

I have been craving sugar and sweet things a lot lately, and one day I added in

more thyroid, and it helped get rid of these cravings – no amount of HC helped,

but thyroid did. Doesn't Dr Rind say something like " A low one can look like a

high other " ?

>But now it seems i have low cortisol or low thyroid or both, my iron feels low

since ive probably been a bit hypo, no day is the same, i hate my job but need

the money, the metformin didnt work, it seemed like it was working for about a

week then it seemed to be doing nothing even when i upped it to max dose.

What are you symptoms though, do they match thyroid or adrenals, or both? Are

you taking iron? What happened with metformin – how much are / were you taking?

At one point didn't you mention potassium, are you still on this?

>I have low white blood cells swollen lymth glands

Is the doctor still investigatin this? Are all your lymph glands swollen?

Have you been tested for viruses like epstein barr?

> and systematic candida which has taken over my life

maybe the candida is not being killed off so well by your immune system?

>. Im pretty sure i have season disorder aswell just to add to things as i feel

better in the summer regardless.

Do you take Vitamin D? Some people find light boxes help them, and others find

that sunrise simulators help them, too. http://www.lumie.com/

>My eyes are becoming worse and worse by the day i have had to book in with the

opticians.

Worse in what way?

>Also im so frikkin skinny im soo cold all the time and i cant eat proper foods

to gain weight.

what can't you eat, and why? Being skinny may be low cortisol or low insulin?

> I dont want to start adrenal support again as i dont want to give myself

diabates (my mum has just been diagnosed diabatic, she shows so many thyroid

symptoms also but wont listen)

What makes you think i'td give you diabetes (isn't that kind of jumping to a

worst case scenario?) ? You don't know for sure you even have insulin

resistance? I think it is important to take DHEA at the same time as adrenal

support to balance out the negative effects of cortisol (i don't think you're

keen on this though but for me DHEA has helped a lot).

> If i take some hc while not on adrenal support it makes me feel sick, so it

seems either or nor.

Did you mean to write something else there, since HC is adrenal support?

>I've been taking 4x nax and while its helping the illuminous pee cant be

healthy.

It's probably going to be one of the b vitamins in it isn't it? Riboflavin,

perhaps?

> The endo who im seeing on the nhs is going to prescribe me a few months worth

of anti fungals but if after a few months they are not working then there is no

point to keep trying i will have tried every single thing possible to get rid of

the candida. I just want to be able to eat normal foods and have a gf (

What anti fungal is he going to prescribe? There are many different candida

protocols,and supplements, you can't have tried them all (or for long enough) –

not only that, you say you've tried every single one (!) , but how about if you

combined them? And have you tried this one?

http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Lufenuron_-_a_potentially_useful_treatment_to_tre\

at_candida

http://webshop.owndoc.com/index.php?main_page=product_info & cPath=2 & products_id=3\

0

Have you ever received a firm diagnosis for what your problems are? Did you ever

try NDT and did it not help?

If it were me I'd go back to basics and see what the symptoms matched, and go

from there. Some people don't agree with taking more than one hormone,

believing instead that correcting thyroid will solve everything. If that works

for them then great, but my experience is this didn't work for me.

chris

==

what do your symptoms match (0 not at all, 4 totally)

ACTH

0 I have patches of hair loss

0 I have very pale complexion

0 I sunburn easily

0 I often have memory loss

0 I am stressed out/I'm facing many difficulties

0 My blood pressure has dropped

0 My friends tell me I look thinner

Aldosterone

0 I uninate too many times a day

0 I crave salty foods

0 My blood pressure is low

0 I feel dizzy when I stand up

0 I feel much better lying down than standing up

Calcitocin

0 I have compression fractures in my spine

0 I've lost weight

0 My back hurts

0 I'm very sensitive to pain

0 I have thyroid problems (goiter, thyroid insufficiency, radiation applied to

this area)

Cortisol

0 My face looks thinner

0 My friends call me skinny

0 I have eczema, psoriasis, urticaria (nettle rash), skin allergies, or other

rashes

0 My heart beats quickly

0 My blood pressure is low

0 I crave salt and sugar (to the extent of binging)

0 I have digestive problem

0 I have allergies (hay fever, asthma, etc.)

0 I'm stressed out

0 I'm easily confused

DHEA

0 My hair is dry

0 My skin and eyes are dry

0 My muscle are flabby

0 My belly is getting fat

0 I don't have much hair under my arm (0 = plenty of hair/4=hairless)

0 I don't have much hair in pubic area (0 = plenty of hair/4 = hairless)

0 I don't have much fatty tissue in the pubic area (flat " mount of venus " in

women) (0=padded/4=flat)

0 My body doesn't have much of special scent during sexual arousal

0 I can't tolerate noise

0 My libido is low

EPO

0 I have a particularly pale complexion

0 Prolonged physical effort leaves me breathless

0 I'm anemic (diagnosed with a blood test)

0 " A sense of well being " What is that?

0 My blood test shows an increased BUN (blood uric nitrogen) level

Estrogen

0 I'm losing hair on top of my head

0 I'm getting thin, vertical wrinkles above my lips

0 My breasts are droopy

0 My face is too hairy

0 My eyes are dry and easily irritated

0 I have hot flashes

0 I feel tired constantly

0 I am depressed

0 Women with periods: My menstural flow is light (0=moderate/4=none)

0 Women with periods: My cycles are irregular (<27 days or >31 days)

0 Women without periods: I do not feel like making love anymore

Growth Hormone

0 My hair is thinning

0 My cheeks sag

0 My gums are receding

0 My abdomen is flabby/I've got a " spare tire "

0 My muscle are slack

0 My skin is thin and/or dry

0 It's hard to recover after physical activity

0 I feel exhausted

0 I don't like the world (I tend to isolate myself)

0 I feel contineously anxious and worried

Insulin

I crave sugar and sweets, and eat a lot of them

I'm always thirsty

I urinate a lot during the day as well as at night

I have difficulty healing

My stomach and buttocks are skinny

Melatonin

I look older than I am

I have trouble falling sleep at night

I wake up during the night

And I can't get back to sleep

My mind is busy with anxious throughts while I'm trying to fall asleep

My feet are too hot at night

When I get up, I don't feel rested

I feel like I'm living out of sync with the world, going to bed late and waking

up late

I can't tolerate jet lag

I somke, dring, and/or use a beta-blocker or a sleep aid

Pregnenolone

0 I have memory loss

0 My joints hurt (fingers, wrists, elbows, feet, ankles, knees)

0 I'm feeling a bit drained and I have a hard time handling stress

0 I don't see colours as brightly as before

0 I have lost interest in art; I don't appreciate art as much anymore

0 I don't have much hair under my arms or in the pubic area

(0=plenty/4=hairless)

0 My muscles are flabby

0 I have abundant, light-coloured urine during the day

0 I have low blood pressure

0 I crave salty foods

Progesterone

My breasts are large

My close friends complain I'm nervous and agitated

I feel anxious

I sleep lightly and restlessly

Pre-menopausal & HRT menopausal women: My breasts are swollen and tender or

painful before my period

…and my lower belly is swollen…

…and I'm irritable and aggressive…

…and I lose my self-control…

I have heavy periods…

and they are contineously painful

Testosterone

0 My face has gotten slack and more wrinkled

0 I've lost music tone – I think this should be muscle tone!

0 My belly tend to get fat

0 I'm constantly tired

0 I feel like making love less often than I used to

0 Men only: My breasts are getting fatty

0 Men Only: I feel less less-confident and more hesitant

0 Men Only: My sexual performance is poorer than it used to be

0 Men Only: I have hot flashes and sweats

0 Men Only: I tire easily with physical activity

Thyroid Hormones

0 I'm sensitive to cold

0 My hands and feet are always cold

0 In the morning my face is puffy and my eyelids are swollen

0 I put on weight easily

0 I have dry skin

0 I have trouble getting up in the morning

0 I feel more cured at rest than when I am active

0 I am constipated

0 My joints are stiff in the morning

0 I feel like I'm living in slow motion

Vasopressin

I'm thirsty at night

I get up at night to urinate

I bleed a lot when I get hurt

I'm losing my memory

I have a hard time thinking straight

>

> Firstly i would just like to appologise if i have been off with anyone on here

over the last couple of weeks im just not feeling myself. I am geting angry over

nothing and taking it out on other people im just not myself at the minute....

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve:

To me, most of your symptoms seem to be iodine deficiency. I have noticed that

you mentioned you did not want to take iodine.

Generally when someone refuses to take something, it is often the exact thing

they need. If I were you, I'd start on the iodine protocol and start with just a

drop or two of iodine a day and see if you show improvement.

Cheers,

JOT

[Guest guest]

JOT, do you think Iodoral is ok as a source of iodine, or do you prefer the

drops?

If Iodoral is ok, then *Steve*, here is a link you can buy Iodoral from in the

UK - it is probably more expensive here, but I found they delivery quickly:

http://www.nutricentre.com/p-41216-iodoral.aspx

chris

>

>

>

> Generally when someone refuses to take something, it is often the exact thing

they need. If I were you, I'd start on the iodine protocol and start with just a

drop or two of iodine a day and see if you show improvement.

>

> Cheers,

> JOT

>

[Guest guest]

A friend of mine has been doing Bees diet for candida for well over a year now and her health has improved enormously.    A lot of her problems (including thyroid and eyes) have disappeared now.   However the diet is extremely strict, and it took a good few months before she could actually stomach it, but she persevered.    She now finds it second nature to follow the diet and is quite content to.    See

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/Lilian

and systematic candida which has taken over my life.

[Guest guest]

We like iodoral specifically because it is made to absorb deep in the colon

where it won't be disrupted by any food or stomach acid, etc. It is expensive,

so most people now have changed to the drops. The drops to be most effective

need to be taken in 1/2 glass of water with a teaspoon of celtic sea salt and a

tablespoon of organic apple cider vinegar. Drink this down first thing in the

morning when you wake up. And then go brush your teeth (vinegar)..... Take your

iodoral pill first thing as well.

Iodine should always be taken first thing in the morning rather than throughout

the day. If you take iodine later than 9 am it may effect your sleep, keep you

awake. Of course this does not apply to everyone, but the majority would agree.

Jarvis talks about a woman who spilled a bottle of iodine on her leg just before

bed and she said she slept better than she ever slept before..... Unless you

have a night's sleep to lose, I wouldn't experiment with it. :0)

Cheers,

JOT

> JOT, do you think Iodoral is ok as a source of iodine, or do you prefer the

drops?

[Guest guest]

Wild oil of oregano kills Candida......naturally.

Cheers,

JOT

[Guest guest]

That is interesting, JOT, thank you for explaining.

I don't want to hijack Steve's thread but I found that Iodoral helped me when I

took it for a few weeks. For some reason it enabled me to start tolerating

thyroid hormone and just made me feel better in myself. I found the tincture

of iodine very helpful too - I applied some of that on my arm on an intuition,

and within an hour or two I was feeling much better.

Iodoral also made my arms break out in a rash. At the time, I thought it was

some kind of detox reaction.

I read that Iodoral can kill candida - do you have agree with that ?

Thanks

chris

>

> We like iodoral specifically because it is made to absorb deep in the colon

where it won't be disrupted by any food or stomach acid, etc.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jot,

Have you ever tasted oil of oregano capsules? And they repeat on you for

ages. I don't think they can be very popular.... but, something which tastes

that bad must be doing some good Personally I think they are even worse

than Nutri Adrenal Extra......

x

>

>

> Wild oil of oregano kills Candida......naturally.

>

> Cheers,

> JOT

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I take them every day of my life. I also take the drops under my

tongue. There is a simple protocol to follow when taking oil of oregano and it

must be followed. If you take it with a full meal, chances are you won't have

any trouble. For something which is so perfectly fabulous for the system, I'd

over look the slight repeat. Personally, it does not repeat on me so I don't

know your experience.

If you're drinking coffee, I'd assume this is part of that problem.

Cheers,

JOT

>

> Have you ever tasted oil of oregano capsules? And they repeat on you for

ages. I don't think they can be very popular.... but, something which tastes

that bad must be doing some good Personally I think they are even worse

than Nutri Adrenal Extra......

[Guest guest]

Steve,

You don't know if it's adrenals or thyroid? What do the temperature charts

say? If they are low but even then it's thyroid, if they are low and jumping

around all over the place it's adrenals.

If you aren't taking your temperature 4 hours after you get up, and then 4

hours later and 4 hours after that, and averageing the daily temperatures, then

plotting them on a graph, START NOW!!

It's best to measure them with a farenheight mercury thermometer, but personally

I can't see what harm it will do with a digital degree C one..... what you are

interested in mainly is how much it changes..... either way, it's so much

better than not doing it at all. More details on drrind.com

My very ex husband was very thin, about 6' tall and never more than 9 stones.

Eventually he collapsed long after we split up and his gf rang me to say they

thought it was a heart attck (he was about 32)... turns out it was food

allergies..... he was allergic mainly to anything caramel coloured.... beer,

tea, and the oil they spray on fruit like oranges..... He's in his late 50's

now and a bit of a fattie... be careful what you wish for!!!

x

> The endo who im seeing on the nhs is going to prescribe me a few months worth

of anti fungals but if after a few months they are not working then there is no

point to keep trying i will have tried every single thing possible to get rid of

the candida. I just want to be able to eat normal foods and have a gf (

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jot, iodine is one of the only things i have never ever tried, and i know

very little about.... im willing to give it a try, jus when i know little about

something i stay away, but im willing to learn.

I have just been reading your later post thanks for all the information. Will it

have any interferance with my T3 at all ?

Steve

>

>

> Hi Steve:

>

> To me, most of your symptoms seem to be iodine deficiency. I have noticed that

you mentioned you did not want to take iodine.

[Guest guest]

I have just read all the replies thank you, i knew the group could give me

support. i will reply to yours in a minute, ty for the lengthy response

I know my adrenals are not fully up to scratch, but i do not want to go back on

adrenal support. One theroy i have is that my thryoid T3 is not being utilized

properly maybe due to low iron and low cortisol, so lowish T3 is not quite

enough for my adrenals.

Jot i have just purcahsed the iodal, and i am going to get some iodine drops in

the meantime tomorrow.

What is the purpose of idodine, to get your own thyroid working better ? or make

the thyroid you are taking work better ? Do you have any website i could read

about that is reliable, just so that i dont do a google search and end up at

some crap one

Thanks

[Guest guest]

If you have any part of the body which is disturbed, painting iodine on your

body parts is one way to get it into that section. Women/men with breast cancer

paint their breasts everyday, once it starts to fade, they re-paint. This is how

they know it is absorbing and that they need more. People with goiter should

paint their goiter several times a day. If you have a cut on your hand, paint it

with iodine. It's important to have iodine drops on hand for anything that may

come up.

Iodine at high doses does cure candida but most people are not on those doses.

But some people take anywhere from 100 mgs to 225 mgs a day. These are mostly

people who are curing cancer. The basic dose is 12.5 mgs a day but it is 50 mgs

which is what most people use for a cancer preventative. Iodine cures cancer,

it's that simple and it's that good. Why people are cutting out their body parts

instead of taking iodine, I will never understand. I prefer to keep all my body

parts and just get them cancer free.

People who are always cold, are lacking iodine. If you take your drops first

thing in the morning with your celtic sea salt and vinegar, you will immediately

feel warm. I just went out in 20 degree weather to walk the dogs for 8 miles and

I wasn't the least bit cold. I don't have the heat on in the house because I

don't need it. I sleep under a down comforter at night and I don't need any more

warmth than that. The dogs get iodoral because it is easier to break a tablet in

two and put it in their hard boiled egg.

Iodine MUST be taken with celtic sea salt and at the same time. The salt helps

to kick the bromide out of the receptors so the iodine can absorb but the iodine

is also needed to kick out the bromide, the sea salt alone will not do it. It

must be a joint effort. Everyone is full of bromide and when we start having

reactions to taking iodine, it is because the iodine is floating around and not

being absorbed. This is why the salt loading protocol is in place. If you start

having symptoms, you continue to take 1/2 teaspoon of celtic sea salt throughout

the day until the symptoms subside. When the iodine cannot get in because of

the bromide, it is called bromide toxicity.

Iodoral has a coating on it which may have given you a rash or it may have been

bromide toxicity. I also believe that the blocked receptors are creating

problems with other substances trying to get in. If it is keeping iodine out,

what else could it possibly be keeping out?

The problem is never iodine, the problem is bromide.

Cheers,

JOT

> Iodoral also made my arms break out in a rash. At the time, I thought it was

some kind of detox reaction.

>

> I read that Iodoral can kill candida - do you have agree with that ?

[Guest guest]

Thanks JOT, that was very interesting.

I'm going to go find out my Iodoral...

chris

>

> If you have any part of the body which is disturbed, painting iodine on your

body parts is one way to get it into that section. Women/men with breast cancer

paint their breasts everyday, once it starts to fade, they re-paint. This is how

they know it is absorbing and that they need more. People with goiter should

paint their goiter several times a day. If you have a cut on your hand, paint it

with iodine. It's important to have iodine drops on hand for anything that may

come up.

[Guest guest]

Hi ty for the reply. Here goes!

has helped me enough for now, i still email him time to time about T3

related questions ect ect if i was to tell him all this he would be more like my

private endo and i know he does not have the time for that.

I think the angry could well be low cortisol, as sometimes i wake up like that.

I dont want to go on any adrenal support again unless i have to 100% When i am

on adrenal support apart from the constant peeing, and raised blood sugars i

feel better yes.

As for the metformin i built up to 3000mg, 2250 i think is the max, but i guess

me issues were not of insulin resistance.

Not on potassium anymore my blood tests result came back at 4.4 with usual

range.

Yeh my immune system is not fighting off the yeast, and i think the lymth glands

most of them are swollen all over my body... behinds ears, under arms, groins

ect ect which is probably my body failing to fight the yeast.

I take Vit D and have a light box almost set my room on fire tho as is WAY too

brigh so i covered half of it with a calendar then within 20 mins it was smoking

lol

I am becoming more and more unable to see the disatance very clear regarding my

eyes.

>

Regarding the hc i mean when im not on full time adrenal support, just adding

10mg makes me feel not that great,

>

>

> >I've been taking 4x nax and while its helping the illuminous pee cant be

healthy.

>

> It's probably going to be one of the b vitamins in it isn't it? Riboflavin,

perhaps? Yes but is this dangerous because certainly is not natural

>

>

> > The endo who im seeing on the nhs is going to prescribe me a few months

worth of anti fungals but if after a few months they are not working then there

is no point to keep trying i will have tried every single thing possible to get

rid of the candida. I just want to be able to eat normal foods and have a gf (

>

>

> What anti fungal is he going to prescribe? There are many different candida

protocols,and supplements, you can't have tried them all (or for long enough) –

not only that, you say you've tried every single one (!) , but how about if you

combined them? And have you tried this one?

http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Lufenuron_-_a_potentially_useful_treatment_to_tre\

at_candida

>

>

http://webshop.owndoc.com/index.php?main_page=product_info & cPath=2 & products_id=3\

0 - See end of reply

>

>

> Have you ever received a firm diagnosis for what your problems are? Did you

ever try NDT and did it not help? - no chris im afraid not i came about things

in the wrong order due to doctors not being able to help me.

>

> If it were me I'd go back to basics and see what the symptoms matched, and go

from there. Some people don't agree with taking more than one hormone,

believing instead that correcting thyroid will solve everything. If that works

for them then great, but my experience is this didn't work for me.

>

> chris

>

> ==

> what do your symptoms match (0 not at all, 4 totally)

>

> ACTH

> 0 I have patches of hair loss

> 0 I have very pale complexion

> 0 I sunburn easily

> 2 I often have memory loss

> 3 I am stressed out/I'm facing many difficulties

> 0 My blood pressure has dropped

> 4 My friends tell me I look thinner

>

> Aldosterone

> 4 I uninate too many times a day

> 4 I crave salty foods

> 3 My blood pressure is low

> 3 I feel dizzy when I stand up

> 4 I feel much better lying down than standing up

>

> Calcitocin

> 0 I have compression fractures in my spine

> 0 I've lost weight

> 0 My back hurts

> 0 I'm very sensitive to pain

> 0 I have thyroid problems (goiter, thyroid insufficiency, radiation applied to

this area)

>

> Cortisol

> 3 My face looks thinner

> 4 My friends call me skinny

> 4 I have eczema, psoriasis, urticaria (nettle rash), skin allergies, or other

rashes

> 2 My heart beats quickly

>3 My blood pressure is low

> 2 I crave salt and sugar (to the extent of binging)

> 4 I have digestive problem

> 3 I have allergies (hay fever, asthma, etc.)

> 3 I'm stressed out

> 3 I'm easily confused

>

> DHEA

> 0 My hair is dry

> 0 My skin and eyes are dry

> 0 My muscle are flabby

> 0 My belly is getting fat

> 2 I don't have much hair under my arm (0 = plenty of hair/4=hairless)

> 0 I don't have much hair in pubic area (0 = plenty of hair/4 = hairless)

> 0 I don't have much fatty tissue in the pubic area (flat " mount of venus " in

women) (0=padded/4=flat)

> 0 My body doesn't have much of special scent during sexual arousal

> 0 I can't tolerate noise

> 0 My libido is low

>

> EPO

> 0 I have a particularly pale complexion

> 0 Prolonged physical effort leaves me breathless

> 0 I'm anemic (diagnosed with a blood test)

> 0 " A sense of well being " What is that?

> 0 My blood test shows an increased BUN (blood uric nitrogen) level

>

> Estrogen

> 0 I'm losing hair on top of my head

> 0 I'm getting thin, vertical wrinkles above my lips

> 0 My breasts are droopy

> 0 My face is too hairy

> 0 My eyes are dry and easily irritated

> 0 I have hot flashes

> 0 I feel tired constantly

> 0 I am depressed

> 0 Women with periods: My menstural flow is light (0=moderate/4=none)

> 0 Women with periods: My cycles are irregular (<27 days or >31 days)

> 0 Women without periods: I do not feel like making love anymore

>

> Growth Hormone

> 0 My hair is thinning

> 0 My cheeks sag

> 0 My gums are receding

> 0 My abdomen is flabby/I've got a " spare tire "

> 0 My muscle are slack

> 0 My skin is thin and/or dry

> 0 It's hard to recover after physical activity

> 0 I feel exhausted

> 0 I don't like the world (I tend to isolate myself)

> 0 I feel contineously anxious and worried

>

> Insulin

> I crave sugar and sweets, and eat a lot of them

> 4 I'm always thirsty

> 4 I urinate a lot during the day as well as at night

> 1 I have difficulty healing

> 1 My stomach and buttocks are skinny

>

> Melatonin

> I look older than I am

> I have trouble falling sleep at night

> I wake up during the night

> And I can't get back to sleep

> My mind is busy with anxious throughts while I'm trying to fall asleep

> My feet are too hot at night

> When I get up, I don't feel rested

> I feel like I'm living out of sync with the world, going to bed late and

waking up late

> I can't tolerate jet lag

> I somke, dring, and/or use a beta-blocker or a sleep aid

>

> Pregnenolone

> 0 I have memory loss

> 0 My joints hurt (fingers, wrists, elbows, feet, ankles, knees)

> 0 I'm feeling a bit drained and I have a hard time handling stress

> 0 I don't see colours as brightly as before

> 0 I have lost interest in art; I don't appreciate art as much anymore

> 0 I don't have much hair under my arms or in the pubic area

(0=plenty/4=hairless)

> 0 My muscles are flabby

> 0 I have abundant, light-coloured urine during the day

> 0 I have low blood pressure

> 0 I crave salty foods

>

> Progesterone

> My breasts are large

> My close friends complain I'm nervous and agitated

> I feel anxious

> I sleep lightly and restlessly

> Pre-menopausal & HRT menopausal women: My breasts are swollen and tender or

painful before my period

> …and my lower belly is swollen…

> …and I'm irritable and aggressive…

> …and I lose my self-control…

> I have heavy periods…

> and they are contineously painful

>

> Testosterone

> 0 My face has gotten slack and more wrinkled

> 0 I've lost music tone – I think this should be muscle tone!

> 0 My belly tend to get fat

> 0 I'm constantly tired

> 0 I feel like making love less often than I used to

> 0 Men only: My breasts are getting fatty

> 0 Men Only: I feel less less-confident and more hesitant

> 0 Men Only: My sexual performance is poorer than it used to be

> 0 Men Only: I have hot flashes and sweats

> 0 Men Only: I tire easily with physical activity

>

> Thyroid Hormones

> 4 I'm sensitive to cold

> 4 My hands and feet are always cold

> 0 In the morning my face is puffy and my eyelids are swollen

> 0 I put on weight easily

> 0 I have dry skin

> 4 I have trouble getting up in the morning

> 3 I feel more cured at rest than when I am active

> 0 I am constipated

> 0 My joints are stiff in the morning

> 0 I feel like I'm living in slow motion

>

> Vasopressin

> I'm thirsty at night

> I get up at night to urinate

> I bleed a lot when I get hurt

> I'm losing my memory

> I have a hard time thinking straight

>

chris your a trooper taking this much time to reply, thanks alot. I have maybe

not answered everything as i am going out shortly, but i tried to answer

everyhing i thought imporant. From tha charts it seems aldesterone and thyroid

are the ones causing me the worst problems. Especially interesting the

aldesterone one. Since i used to be on quite a high dose of florinef.

I think i get really down/upset when i have no healh plan. My plan for the

moment then is to start back up on the iron with plenty of vit C, start iodine

and investigate aldesterone with my endo on my next appointment, aloing with

taking the anti fungals, im not sure which they are yet he did say they are a

combined one as when i said non work he said we will give you a combined and for

4-6 months.

Cheers

[Guest guest]

Quick question, do i need to take idonal with celiac salt or just the iodine

drops. Thanks

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve:

You must take the iodoral or lugol's drops with the celtic sea salt at the same

time. If you are taking the drops, put the salt, the water and 1 tablespoon of

organic vinegar all together.

If you take the iodoral, take the celtic sea salt, vinegar and water to wash it

down. First thing in the morning. Keep the T3 away from it for just a half hour

or so just to be safe. I don't know what the reaction to vinegar and T3 is but I

wouldn't want the vinegar to interfere.

The iodine protocol is as follows and must be taken everyday:

3/5000 mgs of vitamin C

200 mcgs of selenium

400 mgs of magnesium

Celtic sea salt (up to one tablespoon a day if needed)

http://breastcancerchoices.org/bromidedetoxsymptomsandstrategies.html

Use this link to learn about the iodine protocol and healing.

http://optimox.com/

Use this link to read more research, etc.

Start the protocol 2 weeks before starting iodine to prepare the body.

Vinegar helps to grow red blood cells and it also corrects the alkaline/acid in

the system. It will do this immediately.

Cheers,

JOT

> I have just been reading your later post thanks for all the information. Will

it have any interferance with my T3 at all ?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve

> I think the angry could well be low cortisol, as sometimes i wake up like

that.

I get this too sometimes, and feel really horrible and ruminate endlessly about

various people (i do not use the word 'people', to describe them) and various

bad things that have happened to me. it goes when I take HC. For me this is

an adrenal symptom.

> I dont want to go on any adrenal support again unless i have to 100% When i

am on adrenal support apart from the constant peeing, and raised blood sugars i

feel better yes.

Ok is this endo testing your adrenal function? If i were you i would want him

to do a 24hr urinary free cortisol to see how much you are producing on a normal

day, before he gives any synacthen tests etc. Can you push for this?

Recently i mentioned some tests to you and you weren't sure what they were- can

you research these? I would also want to see my CBG and 9am cortisol levels, if

I were you, to see how much of your serum cortisol is actually free for your

body to use.

Were you only ever on HC, or did you try something like pred or medrol?

> As for the metformin i built up to 3000mg, 2250 i think is the max, but i

guess me issues were not of insulin resistance.

but you initially felt some improvement from the metformin? do you have any

idea why that might be from?

>

> Yeh my immune system is not fighting off the yeast, and i think the lymth

glands most of them are swollen all over my body... behinds ears, under arms,

groins ect ect which is probably my body failing to fight the yeast.

I don't know much about the immune system - is this endo checking whether there

is something underlying causing problems?

> I take Vit D and have a light box almost set my room on fire tho as is WAY too

brigh so i covered half of it with a calendar then within 20 mins it was smoking

lol

what dose of Vit D? Have you had your levels checked?

What about iron ? Have you had copper levels tested, too? zinc?

> I am becoming more and more unable to see the disatance very clear regarding

my eyes.

is that 'just' your eyesight deteriorating do you think or do you feel this is

related to your current problems somehow? Do you take Vitamin A, have you been

tested for it?

http://www.lasik-pages.com/how-vitamin-a-effects-your-eyesight.html I have

been given a high dose Vitamin A, which helps me. I was taking this brand for a

while:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/-Labs-Vitamin-10000-gels/dp/B002X9X13O/ref=sr_1_6\

?ie=UTF8 & qid=1321212624 & sr=8-6 - i would ask if you could get tested for

vitamin A. Taurine is linked to the eyes, too. I read that taking cortisol

can deplete taruine but i can't find the link right now so i may be wrong on

this one.

> > It's probably going to be one of the b vitamins in it isn't it?

Riboflavin, perhaps? Yes but is this dangerous because certainly is not natural

I don't know, google it, i doubt it ?

> > What anti fungal is he going to prescribe? There are many different candida

protocols,and supplements, you can't have tried them all (or for long enough) –

not only that, you say you've tried every single one (!) , but how about if you

combined them? And have you tried this one?

http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Lufenuron_-_a_potentially_useful_treatment_to_tre\

at_candida

are you going to bear this in mind?

> > Have you ever received a firm diagnosis for what your problems are? Did you

ever try NDT and did it not help? - no chris im afraid not i came about things

in the wrong order due to doctors not being able to help me.

Ok, have you discussed with Dr Peatfield whether NDT would help you? Or do you

feel you are best on T3? if i remember rightly you had high rt3 levels? have

you looked at correcting the issues that can sometimes cause those? you're

probably aware that some t3 is made in the gut, too, tying in with your

suspected leaky gut/ candida?

http://wellnessalternatives-stl.com/library/hairloss_print.htm

" Thyroid hormones are activated in the gut, where inactive T4 is converted to

active T3. Gut inflammation will alter the conversion, resulting in decreased T3

production. High Cortisol affects Thyroid significantly in several ways:

•TSH suppression

•Decreases the amount of T3 available

•Increases the amount of Reverse T3, which is totally inactive and irreversible

by the body

•Creates T3 receptor site resistance "

I mentioned the book 'the stress effect' to you recently, and you mentiond about

leaky gut - are you going to look into this more? If you have candida it may

all be related? Slippery elm is supposed to help leaky gut, too as is

l-glutamine?

> > If it were me I'd go back to basics and see what the symptoms matched,

Ok, your symptoms come up as:

ACTH is possibly deficient

Aldosterone is probably deficient

Cortisol is probably deficient

Insulin is possibly deficient

Thyroid Hormones is possibly deficient

>From tha charts it seems aldesterone and thyroid are the ones causing me the

worst problems.

Cortisol (adrenal) and aldosterone (adrenal) score highest, then thyroid?

> Especially interesting the aldesterone one. Since i used to be on quite a high

dose of florinef.

Ok, i read from a couple of sources that if you are on a hormone and stop taking

it, then your body will go back to it's usually poor state of functioning in

regards to that hormone - so if you were low on something and take a replacement

dose, then stop taking it, then you'll be low on it after you stop, too. did

you feel better on florinef?

> I think i get really down/upset when i have no healh plan. My plan for the

moment then is to start back up on the iron with plenty of vit C, start iodine

and investigate aldesterone with my endo on my next appointment, aloing with

taking the anti fungals, im not sure which they are yet he did say they are a

combined one as when i said non work he said we will give you a combined and for

4-6 months.

What Iron are you taking? have you checked copper, too? zinc?

are you going to take a good probiotic (iherb have some very good ones)? have

you heard of molkosan - http://www.avogel.co.uk/molkosan/index.php - it's

supposed to help feed good bacteria.

It sounds like a good idea to get your adrenals fully checked out, including

aldosterone, cortisol, CBG and ACTH (how hard are your adrenals being told to

work?)

Chris

[Guest guest]

Steve

is it worth getting a test to see if you have any other problems apart from

candida?

Genova do a stool test

http://www.gdx.uk.net/index.php?option=com_gpanel & Itemid=2 & task=view & nav=test & id\

=66

as do:

http://h-pylori-symptoms.com/sales-pages/h-pylori-testing/

chris

>

> I have just read all the replies thank you, i knew the group could give me

support. i will reply to yours in a minute, ty for the lengthy response

[Guest guest]

also Caprylic acid and Olive Leaf Extract.

Wild oil of oregano kills Candida......naturally.

[Guest guest]

Cheers chris been tested for h.plyori from my docs came bqack negative, and had

the stool test from genova showed small amounts of bacteria aswell as the yeast

and was given anti bioictics which did nothing

Steve

>

> Steve

[Guest guest]

Iodine is used by the thyroid gland to make T1, T2, T3, T4. The numbers behind each of those 'T's is the number od iodine molecules attached to the thyroid hormone.

The thyroid gland makes mainly T4 and one of the iodine molecules is removed we ordinarily have T3, however removing a different iodine molecule can make rT3.

The iodine that is removed is recyled and not wasted. The other tissue that needs iodine is the breast tissue. Commonly women with hypothyroidism also suffer a higher incidence of breast cancer and this is thought to be one of the reasons why. (obviously hypothyroid men are at similar risk; but hypothyroidism will affect 10 women to every one man).

Iodine used to be used on the skin at operations as an antiseptic; it is also antifungal. However, I think it would be worth trying another anti-fungal at the same time, so get rid of the yeast infection. There are some doctors out there who state yeast in its invasive state is a precursor to cancer. Certainly hypothyroids are more commonly likely to suffer cancer of some sort. Whether that is or isnt the case, without doubt it is important to get the yeast thing sorted. When this is under control (and its a lifelong committment) the adrenals and thyroid will be much easier to sort out.

I know my adrenals are not fully up to scratch, but i do not want to go back on adrenal support. One theroy i have is that my thryoid T3 is not being utilized properly maybe due to low iron and low cortisol, so lowish T3 is not quite enough for my adrenals.What is the purpose of idodine, to get your own thyroid working better ? or make the thyroid you are taking work better ?

[Guest guest]

Thanks alot for the information jot, i have book marked both of them sites to

read later today when i have a bit more time, i think i will start the protocol

on wednesday. I already have the apple cider vinegar and salt at home as i

wanted to try these a while back, but now i have a reason to along with the

iodine!!

Steve

>

> Hi Steve:

[Guest guest]

> Hi Steve

>

> > I think the angry could well be low cortisol, as sometimes i wake up like

that.

>

> I get this too sometimes, and feel really horrible and ruminate endlessly

about various people (i do not use the word 'people', to describe them) and

various bad things that have happened to me. it goes when I take HC. For me

this is an adrenal symptom.

>

>

> > I dont want to go on any adrenal support again unless i have to 100% When i

am on adrenal support apart from the constant peeing, and raised blood sugars i

feel better yes.

>

>

> Ok is this endo testing your adrenal function? If i were you i would want him

to do a 24hr urinary free cortisol to see how much you are producing on a normal

day, before he gives any synacthen tests etc. Can you push for this?

Recently i mentioned some tests to you and you weren't sure what they were- can

you research these? I would also want to see my CBG and 9am cortisol levels, if

I were you, to see how much of your serum cortisol is actually free for your

body to use.

- Yes deffo going to push for adrenal tests, im hoping that my 9am cortisol

didnt just came back mid range or i will have to pursaude alot but i will

explain to him about whats been going on, i have wrote down some tests to ask

for and CBG and 24 hour urine are both on that list!

>

> Were you only ever on HC, or did you try something like pred or medrol?

Only ever been on hc + florinef

>

> > As for the metformin i built up to 3000mg, 2250 i think is the max, but i

guess me issues were not of insulin resistance.

>

> but you initially felt some improvement from the metformin? do you have any

idea why that might be from?

- I think it was because less sugar was being absorbed in my gut initially and

maybe my body could fight it a bit, but my body is unable to so the yeast jus

whent back to normal, if my body was stronger than maybe the met would work

better....

> > Yeh my immune system is not fighting off the yeast, and i think the lymth

glands most of them are swollen all over my body... behinds ears, under arms,

groins ect ect which is probably my body failing to fight the yeast.

>

> I don't know much about the immune system - is this endo checking whether

there is something underlying causing problems?

- Yes this is going to be investaged and maybe even reffered to a

microbiloogist (a guy who deals with immune systems) but the endo said he did

not want to jump the gun and would try some other things first ie anti funagals

ect.

>

> > I take Vit D and have a light box almost set my room on fire tho as is WAY

too brigh so i covered half of it with a calendar then within 20 mins it was

smoking lol

>

> what dose of Vit D? Have you had your levels checked?

- Been taking 3,000 UI daily, my levels came back mid range about 4 months ago

i dont have them to hand.

>

> What about iron ? Have you had copper levels tested, too? zinc?

- Zinc was below range bu ive supplemented copper was within top end nof range,

my iron wasd last tested about 2-3 months ago all within range but only about

mid range and since then ive been hypo quite a bit so expect its dropped needs

teststing on my next appointment.

>

>

>

> > I am becoming more and more unable to see the disatance very clear regarding

my eyes.

>

>

> is that 'just' your eyesight deteriorating do you think or do you feel this is

related to your current problems somehow? Do you take Vitamin A, have you been

tested for it?

http://www.lasik-pages.com/how-vitamin-a-effects-your-eyesight.html I have

been given a high dose Vitamin A, which helps me. I was taking this brand for a

while:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/-Labs-Vitamin-10000-gels/dp/B002X9X13O/ref=sr_1_6\

?ie=UTF8 & qid=1321212624 & sr=8-6 - i would ask if you could get tested for

vitamin A. Taurine is linked to the eyes, too. I read that taking cortisol

can deplete taruine but i can't find the link right now so i may be wrong on

this one.

>

>

- I have an eye test later today im going to speak with them about

everything...

> > > It's probably going to be one of the b vitamins in it isn't it?

Riboflavin, perhaps? Yes but is this dangerous because certainly is not natural

>

> I don't know, google it, i doubt it ?

>

>

> > > What anti fungal is he going to prescribe? There are many different

candida protocols,and supplements, you can't have tried them all (or for long

enough) – not only that, you say you've tried every single one (!) , but how

about if you combined them? And have you tried this one?

http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Lufenuron_-_a_potentially_useful_treatment_to_tre\

at_candida

>

>

> are you going to bear this in mind? - Yes i will bear it in mind but i do not

have the money at the moment to try some " cure " from the internet, ive wasted

alot in the past doing that.

>

>

> > > Have you ever received a firm diagnosis for what your problems are? Did

you ever try NDT and did it not help? - no chris im afraid not i came about

things in the wrong order due to doctors not being able to help me.

>

>

> Ok, have you discussed with Dr Peatfield whether NDT would help you? Or do

you feel you are best on T3? if i remember rightly you had high rt3 levels?

have you looked at correcting the issues that can sometimes cause those?

you're probably aware that some t3 is made in the gut, too, tying in with your

suspected leaky gut/ candida?

- I tried armor but didnt feel much and also my RT3 came back really high yes,

so i went onto T3 only and never looked back!

>

> http://wellnessalternatives-stl.com/library/hairloss_print.htm

>

> " Thyroid hormones are activated in the gut, where inactive T4 is converted to

active T3. Gut inflammation will alter the conversion, resulting in decreased T3

production. High Cortisol affects Thyroid significantly in several ways:

>

> •TSH suppression

> •Decreases the amount of T3 available

> •Increases the amount of Reverse T3, which is totally inactive and

irreversible by the body

> •Creates T3 receptor site resistance "

>

> I mentioned the book 'the stress effect' to you recently, and you mentiond

about leaky gut - are you going to look into this more? If you have candida it

may all be related? Slippery elm is supposed to help leaky gut, too as is

l-glutamine?

>

- Yes my leaky gut and candida is deffo linked, since stopping metformin my

leaky gut has eased up with no pain.

>

> > > If it were me I'd go back to basics and see what the symptoms matched,

>

> Ok, your symptoms come up as:

>

> ACTH is possibly deficient

> Aldosterone is probably deficient

> Cortisol is probably deficient

> Insulin is possibly deficient

> Thyroid Hormones is possibly deficient

>

>

> >From tha charts it seems aldesterone and thyroid are the ones causing me the

worst problems.

>

> Cortisol (adrenal) and aldosterone (adrenal) score highest, then thyroid?

>

> > Especially interesting the aldesterone one. Since i used to be on quite a

high dose of florinef.

>

> Ok, i read from a couple of sources that if you are on a hormone and stop

taking it, then your body will go back to it's usually poor state of functioning

in regards to that hormone - so if you were low on something and take a

replacement dose, then stop taking it, then you'll be low on it after you stop,

too. did you feel better on florinef?

- I felt better on florinef yes but i was also on hc then, i would need to

speak with the endo about going on florinef without any other adrenal support,

or if there is a way to correct aldesterone without going on florinef.

>

>

> > I think i get really down/upset when i have no healh plan. My plan for the

moment then is to start back up on the iron with plenty of vit C, start iodine

and investigate aldesterone with my endo on my next appointment, aloing with

taking the anti fungals, im not sure which they are yet he did say they are a

combined one as when i said non work he said we will give you a combined and for

4-6 months.

>

> What Iron are you taking? have you checked copper, too? zinc?

>

> are you going to take a good probiotic (iherb have some very good ones)? have

you heard of molkosan - http://www.avogel.co.uk/molkosan/index.php - it's

supposed to help feed good bacteria.

> - OIve taken some many pro bitoics including home made kefir for a few months

with no good affect, maybe the next time i hammer anti fungals i will bring out

the pro bitoics again

>

> It sounds like a good idea to get your adrenals fully checked out, including

aldosterone, cortisol, CBG and ACTH (how hard are your adrenals being told to

work?)

- Yes certainly will on my next appointment mid decemeber,

>

>

> Chris

>

Cheers

Steve

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear you are having so much trouble. It can be complicated to get well

when you have several health problems at once.

a White's anti-candida programme has 4 components, so you could check

whether you are attacking it on all fronts:

(1) no-sugar, no-yeast, low carb diet

(2) supplements to make up for any vitamin or mineral deficiencies

(3) probiotics to re-establish good gut flora

(4) anti-fungals such as capryllic acid

I'm not sure what you mean by " normal foods " . Some people believe we should

never have started eating sugar or refined carbohydrates and that any processed

foods are bad. I have resigned myself to never going back to " normal foods " .

If that is what it takes to be well, I would rather eat an unorthodox diet and

have good health.

Miriam

>

> The endo who im seeing on the nhs is going to prescribe me a few months worth

of anti fungals but if after a few months they are not working then there is no

point to keep trying i will have tried every single thing possible to get rid of

the candida. I just want to be able to eat normal foods and have a gf (

>