Re: Any experience of Adrenal supplements?

[Guest guest]

Did you have a test to see whether you are suffering with low

adrenal reserve? Are you taking the adrenal supplement with food? You should

be. Are you taking the 400mg split into two doses, or taking it all at once

early in the morning? If you are, consider reducing the dose and see if

that helps. It is correct that you should not take adrenal supplements after

1.00p.m. in case you are kept awake at night, but this different to

hydrocortisone.

Are you taking any thyroid hormone replacement or other

supplements. Have you any recent thyroid function test results and if so, let's

have them here together with the reference range for each of the tests done.

Hi,

My name is Eva and I have for the last 2 weeks been taking an adrenal

supplement (after tests showed fatigue) and I have some questions. I take

Enzymatic Therapy Adrenal Stress End (daily Adrenal Polypeptide Fractions 400

mg).

- I have been feeling very queasy with a slight chest pressure, can this be the

adrenal supplements?

- Is my body just getting used to it i.e. will it get better or should I look

to change the product and/or dosage?

- I've read you should not take adrenal support after 13:00, is this correct?

Any tips and recommendations would be most appreciated.

Thank you!

Eva

[Guest guest]

Hmmm....new here, hope I am replying correctly?! If I need to do anything else

form/answer wise please let me know. Ok - here goes.

I have seen Dr Peatfield (Oct) and have had my Genova tests back.

Dr P. has ok'd the adrenal supplement (I am following Teitelbaum's whole

SHINE protocol).

I have been taking a whole host of vitamin/mineral/etc supplements for the last

5 months, no problems, slight improvement in energy.

I understand I need to start with Adrenal support first (not sure for how

long?)before I can introduce support for my Thyroid (Dr P. said Nutri Thyroid).

I currently do take the Adrenal support with food, one (200) with breakfast and

one (200) with lunch.

Just curious of others experience around adrenal support. Is it a 'might get

worse before it gets better' or maybe what I am experiencing has nothing to do

with the supplements?!

If I may chuck another one in I am also thinking of supplementing with DHEA

(probably 7 keto) - anything I need to think about? What kind of doses?

Adrenal Stress Profile, salivary:

Sample 1 = 28.4 (H)

Sample 2 = 4.5 (L)

Sample 3 = 1.3 (L)

Sample 4 = 0.6 (L)

DHEA Mean = 0.24 (L)

DHEA:Cortisol Ration = 0.69 (L)

Thyroid Hormones, 24 h urine:

T3 = 918 pmol/24h (OK)

T4 = 318 pmol/24h (L)

T3:T4 Ratio = 2.9 (H)

Apologies for the long message!

Many many thanks,

Eva

> Did you have a test to see whether you are suffering with low adrenal

> reserve? Are you taking the adrenal supplement with food? You should be. Are

> you taking the 400mg split into two doses, or taking it all at once early in

> the morning? If you are, consider reducing the dose and see if that helps.

> It

[Guest guest]

Hi Eve, first, if you can remember, always post the reference

range with any test results because otherwise, we have no way of telling

whether they are at the top, the middle, the bottom or even outside of the

range, we can then tell more about what is actually going on.

You say you are wondering if anything else is going on,. Read

the information below and go through these by way of a process of elimination

and if you are suffering any of these, you need to get them sorted.

There

are MANY reasons and many medical conditions associated with thyroid disease

that stop thyroid hormone from getting into the cells, where it does its work.

I mention these over and over and over again - ad nauseum - people must be

bored with the same old stuff, but as each new member joins us, they need to

know about these.

The main condition responsible for stopping thyroid hormone from

working is, quite simply, a patient’s thyroxine dose is too low because

the doctor or consultant refuses to increase it, because the serum thyroid

function test results appear OK. Sometimes, the thyroxine dose is too high, yet

patients still don't feel well. They continue to suffer. Some reasons

for this:

They

may be suffering with low adrenal reserve. The production of T4, its conversion

to T3, and the receptor uptake requires a normal amount of adrenal hormones,

notably, of course, cortisone. (Excess cortisone can shut production down,

however.) This is what happens if the adrenals are not responding properly, and

provision of cortisone usually switches it on again. But sometimes it

doesn’t. If the illness has been going on for a long time, the

enzyme seems to fail. This conversion failure (inexplicably denied by

many endocrinologists) means the thyroxine builds up, unconverted. So it

doesn’t work, and T4 toxicosis results. This makes the patient feel quite

unwell, toxic, often with palpitations and chest pain. If provision of adrenal

support doesn’t remedy the situation, the final solution is the use of

the active thyroid hormone, already converted, T3 - either synthetic or

natural.

Then,

we have systemic candidiasis. This is where candida albicans, yeast, which

causes skin infections almost anywhere in the body, invades the lining of the

lower part of the small intestine and the large intestine. Here, the

candida sets up residence in the warmth and the dark, and demands to be fed.

Loving sugars and starches, candida can make you suffer terrible sweet

cravings. Candida can produce toxins which can cause very many symptoms

of exhaustion, headache, general illness, and which interfere with the uptake

of thyroid and adrenal treatment. Sometimes the levels - which we usually

test for - can be very high, and make successful treatment difficult to achieve

until adequately treated.

Then

there is receptor resistance which could be a culprit. Being hypothyroid

for some considerable time may mean the biochemical mechanisms which permit the

binding of T3 to the receptors, is downgraded - so the T3 won’t go

in. With slow build up of T3, with full adrenal support and adequate

vitamins and minerals, the receptors do come on line again. But this can

be quite a slow process, and care has to be taken to build the dose up

gradually.

And

then there are Food allergies. The most common food allergy is allergy to

gluten, the protein fraction of wheat. The antibody generated by the body, by a

process of molecular mimicry, cross reacts with the thyroperoxidase enzyme,

(which makes thyroxine) and shuts it down. So allergy to bread can make

you hypothyroid. There may be other food allergies with this kind of effect,

but information on these is scanty. Certainly allergic response to

certain foods can affect adrenal function and imperil thyroid production and

uptake.

Then we

have hormone imbalances. The whole of the endocrine system is linked; each part

of it needs the other parts to be operating normally to work properly. An

example of this we have seen already, with cortisone. But another example

is the operation of sex hormones. The imbalance that occurs at the

menopause with progesterone running down, and a relative dominance of oestrogen

is a further case in point – oestrogen dominance downgrades production,

transportation and uptake of thyroid hormones. This is why hypothyroidism

may first appear at the menopause; the symptoms ascribed to this alone, which

is then treated – often with extra oestrogen, making the whole thing

worse. Deficiency in progesterone most especially needs to be dealt with,

since it reverses oestrogen dominance, improves many menopausal symptoms like

sweats and mood swings, and reverses osteoporosis. Happily natural

progesterone cream is easily obtained: when used it has the added benefit of

helping to stabilise adrenal function.

Then,

we must never forget the possibility of mercury poisoning (through amalgam

fillings) - low levels of iron, transferring saturation%, ferritin, vitamin

B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper and zinc - all of which, if low,

stop the thyroid hormone from being utilised by the cells - these have to be

treated.

As Dr

Peatfield says " When you have been quite unwell for a long time, all these

problems have to be dealt with; and since each may affect the other, it all has

to be done rather carefully.

Contrary to cherished beliefs by much of the medical

establishment, the correction of a thyroid deficiency state has a number of

complexities and variables, which make the treatment usually quite specific for

each person. The balancing of these variables is as much up to you as to

me – which is why a check of morning, day and evening temperatures and

pulse rates, together with symptoms, good and bad, can be so helpful.

Many of you have been ill for a long time, either because you

have not been diagnosed, or the treatment leaves you still quite unwell.

Those of you who have relatively mild hypothyroidism, and have been diagnosed

relatively quickly, may well respond to synthetic thyroxine, the standard

treatment

For many of you, the outstanding problem is not that the

diagnosis has not been made – although, extraordinarily, this is

disgracefully common – but that is has, and the thyroxine treatment

doesn’t work. The dose has been altered up and down, and clinical

improvement is variable and doesn’t last, in spite of blood tests, which

say you are perfectly all right (and therefore you are actually depressed and

need this fine antidepressant).

The above problems must be eliminated if thyroid hormone isn't

working for you.

Luv - Sheila

I understand I need to start with Adrenal support first (not sure for how

long?)before I can introduce support for my Thyroid (Dr P. said Nutri Thyroid).

I currently do take the Adrenal support with food, one (200) with breakfast and

one (200) with lunch.

Just curious of others experience around adrenal support. Is it a 'might get

worse before it gets better' or maybe what I am experiencing has nothing to do

with the supplements?!

If I may chuck another one in I am also thinking of supplementing with DHEA

(probably 7 keto) - anything I need to think about? What kind of doses?

_,_._,___

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sheila! I shall read and digest the info.

My mistake on the reference ranges :-(

I'll add them at the bottom of the note.

So, in short:

- 8+ years of chronic pain/fatigue and other mush

- 6/2011 started comprehensive nutritional supplement regime (SHINE)

- 8/2011 started probiotic supplement

- 8/2011 started herbal sleep remedies (not helping but the cortisol levels

might explain that...)

- 9/2011 started low-carb diet

- 9/2011 started anti-candida supplement (also confirmed by Genova)

- 10/2011 (22nd) started adrenal supplement

To come:

- Start DHEA supplement (again, any advice please let me know)

- Start Thyroid supplement

- ...feel better :-)

Just wanted to check really what experiences other people had had with adrenal

supplements. If others too initially maybe have felt nauseous, heady or other

things I will sit back keep taking the pills and wait it out but if this is not

common, then I will have to start looking into

A. alternative adrenal supplements and

B. other things that might be going *extra* wrong at the moment.

Adrenal Stress Profile, salivary:

Sample 1 = 28.4 (H) Range:12-22

Sample 2 = 4.5 (L) Range:5-9

Sample 3 = 1.3 (L) Range:3-7

Sample 4 = 0.6 (L) Range:1-3

DHEA Mean = 0.24 (L) Range:0.4-1.47

DHEA:Cortisol Ratio = 0.69 (L) Range:2-6

Thyroid Hormones, 24h urine:

T3 = 918 pmol/24h (OK) Range:592-1850

T4 = 318 pmol/24h (L) Range:347-1994

T3:T4 Ratio = 2.9 (H) Range:0.50-2.00

Again, thanks for you time!

Eva

[Guest guest]

Hello Eva

These urine thyroid test results look very low:

In his book (

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hormone-Solution-Dr-Thierry-Hertoghe/dp/1400080851/ref=s\

r_1_1?ie=UTF8 & qid=1320866363 & sr=8-1) , Dr Hertoghe - who is an expert on hormone

replacment, said:

" watch out for low levels of T3 (under 1500 pmol/24h) and/or t4 (under 1800

pmol/24h) " .

Thyroid Hormones, 24h urine:

T3 = 918 pmol/24h (OK) Range:592-1850

T4 = 318 pmol/24h (L) Range:347-1994

T3:T4 Ratio = 2.9 (H) Range:0.50-2.00

What problems are you having with sleep? Do you have any symptoms of sleep

apnoea? I am wondering about this as sleep apnoea is stressful to the body.

I'm sorry if you've already stated this and I've missed it, but have you had any

other tests done too? Have you had your sex hormones tested? Did your GP do

any thyroid tests at all?

> Just wanted to check really what experiences other people had had with adrenal

supplements. If others too initially maybe have felt nauseous, heady or other

things I will sit back keep taking the pills and wait it out but if this is not

common, then I will have to start looking into

Do the symptoms get worse, or come on, after taking your adrenal support

tablets?

> A. alternative adrenal supplements and

Thorne Adrenal cortex

http://www.mandimart.co.uk/adrenal-cortex-50mg-by-thorne-research-60-capsules-71\

9-p.asp

Are you due to check in with Dr Peatfield again soon?

Chris

[Guest guest]

Hi Eva - I started taking 25mgs DHEA as my DHEA was really low (mean was 0.08).

I took it for about 3 weeks but then noticed my hair was really greasy and I

started getting acne type spots, so I panicked and stopped, having visions of

turning into a hairy male adolescent !

I`ve since been searching for more info on DHEA and it appears its best to start

off slowly with about 5mgs per day and then you can go up to 10-12 mgs. I found

a sensible website which focuses more on women taking DHEA rather than some of

the male body building websites. Here`s the link if you`re interested :-

http://www.womentowomen.com/adrenalhealth/dhea-naturalandsupplementation.aspx

My GP was rather concerned when I showed him my Genova test - he didn`t know

what DHEA was but is doing some more research on it for me. He told me not to

take any DHEA supplements until he`d found out more. I may start it again, but

certainly not with 25mgs - I`ll probably order the 5mgs next time, and as you

say, the 7 keto one which is supposed not to give you the male tendencies.

Jane

>

> > If I may chuck another one in I am also thinking of supplementing with DHEA

(probably 7 keto) - anything I need to think about? What kind of doses?

>

> Adrenal Stress Profile, salivary:

> Sample 1 = 28.4 (H)

> Sample 2 = 4.5 (L)

> Sample 3 = 1.3 (L)

> Sample 4 = 0.6 (L)

> DHEA Mean = 0.24 (L)

> DHEA:Cortisol Ration = 0.69 (L)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi and Thanks Chris!

I have left a msg for Dr P. to set up a quick phone chat. Will now start my

diaries for him so expecting a follow-up consultation beginning next year (with

Christmas and all).

I shall look into Dr Hertoghe - Thanks!

I have looked at sleep apnoea in the past and do not think I have this problem.

Main problem at the moment is waking up around 4 and tossing and turning, Dr J

Teitelbaum says this points at cortisol issues which I think I might agree with

after having my tests back. Just ordered another supplement called 'Sleep

Tonight!' that is meant to regulate night time cortisol - fingers crossed!

My GP is actually very supportive (within NHS guidelines), I have had sex

hormones and thyroid checked but all came back " normal " . Next week I do have a

gyno appnt (for fibroids) so will see if I can get hormones checked again (and

to a greater level, particularly seeing my DHEA was so low).

So, the adrenal supplements, the " new " symptoms i.e. queasy/tight chest comes on

just after taking (30min or so). It does pass but I think depending on how I am

doing generally on the day it sometimes hits harder. I will look at the Thorne

Adrenal cortex - might be an alternative to gradually build the dosage.

Could I also ask, how do you tell when the adrenals are 'happier' and the body

could cope with adding Thyroid supplementation (Dr P. recommended Nutri Thyroid

to start with)?

Really appreciate your advice and help!

Eva

[Guest guest]

Hi Eva

You will feel

nauseous taking nutri adrenal supplements if you are not taking them with food

- I found this out for myself. You may consider taking Liquorice tincture and

Siberian Ginseng together with high doses of vitamin C (3/4000mgs) to

help with absorption. It might be that you will need to consider changing your

present adrenal supplement to another one. Check out our FILES SECTION on this

forum and scroll down the list of folders there to 'Discounts on Supplements

and Tests' and on the page that opens, click on 'Nutri ltd'. You will see that

TPA members get a massive discount of 33% if you follow the instructions given

on ordering.Your adrenal stress profile shows that you have very low adrenal

reserve.

Your thyroid

profile shows that your free T4 is outside the bottom of the range, and your

free T3 to be low - this should be in the upper third of the reference range.

What was the result of your serum TSH Eva when you last had it tested?

Luv - Sheila

Just wanted to check really what experiences other people had had with adrenal

supplements. I

Adrenal Stress Profile, salivary:

Sample 1 = 28.4 (H) Range:12-22

Sample 2 = 4.5 (L) Range:5-9

Sample 3 = 1.3 (L) Range:3-7

Sample 4 = 0.6 (L) Range:1-3

DHEA Mean = 0.24 (L) Range:0.4-1.47

DHEA:Cortisol Ratio = 0.69 (L) Range:2-6

Thyroid Hormones, 24h urine:

T3 = 918 pmol/24h (OK) Range:592-1850

T4 = 318 pmol/24h (L) Range:347-1994

T3:T4 Ratio = 2.9 (H) Range:0.50-2.00

[Guest guest]

Do check Blood pressure readings before taking liquorice and dont take liquorice if you have high blood pressure. You will feel

nauseous taking nutri adrenal supplements if you are not taking them with food

- I found this out for myself. You may consider taking Liquorice tincture and

Siberian Ginseng together with high doses of vitamin C (3/4000mgs) to

help with absorption. It might be that you will need to consider changing your

present adrenal supplement to another one.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jane, that is so helpful, thanks!

The link looks great, lots of good articles...

I've ordered both DHEA and 7-KETO DHEA so I was thinking maybe I could take a

low-ish dose of both (to say total 25mg). After hearing your experience I shall

absolutely start with an even lower dose of the DHEA and see what happens.

I hope you get your values sorted and that your GP comes up with some good info.

I am seeing a gyno next week so I will ask his advice too - if I have any news I

will make sure to post again.

Again, many thanks, helps to know you are not alone as it is a bit scary

sometimes self-medicating.

Eva

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

Thanks, I think I shall start playing around a bit with it. Maybe try eating

first, wait 30min and then take the adrenal supplement to see if that helps. It

is very comforting to know that it probably is just the adrenal supplement and

how I take them. I'll keep at it!

Also thanks for the info, and discount, for Nutri, I do need to place an order

so that is most helpful.

The adrenal supplement I take (Enzymatic Therapies, Adrenals Stress End) seemed

like a good allrounder, it contains:

- Vitamin C 150mg

- Vitamin B6 50mg

- Pantothenic Acid 100mg

- Adrenal Polypeptide Fractions2 400mg

- Betaine 250mg

- L-Tyrosine 250mg

- Licorice 200mg

- Adrenal Cortex Extract 33mg

I also already take additional VitC, B6, Pantothenic Acid, Betaine and

L-Tyrosine in other daily supplements.

My GP checked my Thyroid Profile in April 2011:

FT4 = 15 pmol/l Range: 8-21

TSH = 1.5 mlU/L Range: 0.35-3.5

Conclusion - 'Normal' values.

Thanks,

Eva

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sally!

Good point, my BP is pretty normal/steady but I shall keep an extra eye on it

now I have started the adrenal supplement which contains liquorice.

Eva

[Guest guest]

You need to start taking 7 keto DHEA and not the DHEA you are

taking.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Eva - I started taking 25mgs DHEA as my DHEA was really low (mean was 0.08).

I took it for about 3 weeks but then noticed my hair was really greasy and I

started getting acne type spots, so I panicked and stopped, having visions of

turning into a hairy male adolescent !

_,_._,___

[Guest guest]

Ooops - yes indeed. Thanks Sally, this completely slipped my

mind.

Luv - Sheila

Do check Blood

pressure readings before taking liquorice and dont take liquorice if you have

high blood pressure.

You

will feel nauseous taking nutri adrenal supplements if you are not taking them

with food - I found this out for myself. You may consider taking Liquorice

tincture and Siberian Ginseng together with high doses of vitamin C

(3/4000mgs) to help with absorption. It might be that you will need to consider

changing your present adrenal supplement to another one.

[Guest guest]

hello eva

>Main problem at the moment is waking up around 4 and tossing and

turning

it could be low glucose waking you up (balanced adrenals are needed for

proper glucose

control) ...i found taking vitamin c at bedtime to be helpful (vit c =

adrenal

nourishment).

you probably know that dhea is made from pregnenolone and pregnenolone

is made from

cholesterol ...

> Could I also ask, how do you tell when the adrenals are 'happier' and

the body could

cope with adding Thyroid supplementation

you could take monitoring your temperature for several days:

" You can determine your thyroid and adrenal status by following Dr. Rind

with a

temperature graph. You simply take your temp 3 times a day, starting

three hours after

you wake up, and every three hours after that, to equal three temps. (If

you have

eaten or exercised right before it's time to take your temp, wait 20

more minutes.)

Then average them for that day. Do this for AT LEAST 5 days. If your

averaged temp is

fluctuating from day to day more than .2 to .3, you need adrenal

support. If it is

fluctuating but overall low, you need more adrenal support and thyroid.

If it is

fluctuating but averaging 98.6, you just need adrenal support. If it is

steady but

low, you need more thyroid and adrenals are likely fine. "

http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph#intro

trish

[Guest guest]

Thanks Trish, very interesting and useful!

I will try taking some of my VitC at bedtime, didn't know about that. I do make

sure I eat some (>30g) protein just before bed to try and stabilise the

bloodsugar and I am on a low-carb diet.

> you probably know that dhea is made from pregnenolone and pregnenolone

is made from cholesterol ... <

I kind of do (I've seen the flowcharts) but I must admit I do struggle to get my

head fully around it and the more research I do I invariably seem to end up at

the mitochondria and anything further makes my head hurt :-)

It is the: At how many levels of the 'hormone chain' can and should you

introduce supplements/changes and how do they impact each other?! (more

retorical but feel free to offer opinions).

Like the link alot, I only had some basic temp charts. The graphs are very good

at explaining what is going on. I know it is early days (only been 2 weeks on

adrenal support) but I shall start keeping a proper diary with temp and bp etc.

Many many thanks,

Eva

[Guest guest]

Hello Eva

>Will now start my

diaries for him [...] .

I have found it's very useful to keep a diary of what is going on - how you're

feeling , what you're eating, what supplements etc you are taking. I have done

this for Dr Peatfield in the past, but it's also really helpful if you keep a

record for yourself, too.

>I shall look into Dr Hertoghe - Thanks!

TPA has a lending library:

thyroid treatment/files/LENDING%20LIBRARY%20-\

%20TPA/ I just checked but there is no copy of Dr Hertoghe's book there :-(

If you can spare the money, it is worth a read as his book is very informative

on the various hormones and what they do, and what the symptoms of deficiencies

are, and what the right doses and treatments are. I keep referring to Dr T

Hertoghe's book but that's because it's so helpful, he has done so much

research. Dr T Hertoghe is the son of Dr Jacques Hertoghe, who is an expert on

thyroid, too. I believe that Dr Peatfield trained with Dr Jacques Hertoghe, and

believe it was Dr J Hertoghe who diagnosed Dr Peatfield with hypothyroidism - he

told me this when I saw him a few years ago (he told me the story and did the

accent, too :-) ) . There are some videos of Dr Jacques Hertoghe on Youtube

talking about thyroid:

> I have looked at sleep apnoea in the past and do not think I have this problem

That's good to hear - i have sleep apnoea and it was undiagnosed for a year at

least, so I tend to ask people as i know it's pretty unpleasant.

> Main problem at the moment is waking up around 4 and tossing and turning, Dr J

Teitelbaum says this points at cortisol issues which I think I might agree with

after having my tests back. Just ordered another supplement called 'Sleep

Tonight!' that is meant to regulate night time cortisol - fingers crossed!

Have you also looked at melatonin? These are the symptoms of low melatonin:

Light, anxious, agitated sleep

I look older than I am

I have trouble falling sleep at night

I wake up during the night And I can't get back to sleep

My mind is busy with anxious throughts while I'm trying to fall asleep

My feet are too hot at night

When I get up, I don't feel rested

I feel like I'm living out of sync with the world, going to bed late and waking

up late

I can't tolerate jet lag

I smoke, dring, and/or use a beta-blocker or a sleep aid

Deep sleep during 3 to 4 hours, but getting up to early, and having a heavy head

in the morning

Excessive need for sleep

Deep, excessively prolonged sleep ?

Pretty much everyting sleep related might be melatonin! I think melatonin may

affect cortisol levels at night (double check this)

I had problems taking melatonin a few years ago, but have now been given a

sublingual melatonin which is a fraction of the dose I tried before. It helps

me to sleep a lot better: http://www.eurohealthproject.com/biotonin-44.html

It is quite cheap as supplements go and has helped me a lot with sleep and

because of this I feel better. Melatonin is supposed to help with T4 > T3

conversion, too.

> My GP is actually very supportive (within NHS guidelines), I have had sex

hormones and thyroid checked but all came back " normal " .

Ok can you get the results with reference ranges? I don't know how to interpret

female sex hormones, but someone else may be able to on here. 'Normal' may not

be optimal or high enough for you to feel well.

>Next week I do have a gyno appnt (for fibroids) so will see if I can get

hormones checked again (and to a greater level, particularly seeing my DHEA was

so low).

Good thinking - I hope the gyno can help you.

> So, the adrenal supplements, the " new " symptoms i.e. queasy/tight chest comes

on just after taking (30min or so).

Could it be something in the capsule that you're having a reaction to? They are

capsules, right? Have you tried tipping out the contents in to either a glass

of water, or, re packaging them into a capsule you know you're ok with?

I looked at the site for these, and i see the ingredients are:

Other Ingredients: gelatin, clove flower bud, magnesium sterate, silicon

dioxide, and titanium dioxide color.

http://www.enzymatictherapy.com/Products/Energy/Stress/04035-Fatigued-to-Fantast\

ic-Adrenal-Stress-End.aspx

I for one can feel a kind of wheezy horrible feeling after taking capsules made

out of gelatin, and anything with titanium dioxide in. It can be allergenic for

some people, though this is rare, apparently:

http://www.simple-remedies.com/home-remedies/allergies/titanium-allergy-symptoms\

..html

>I will look at the Thorne Adrenal cortex - might be an alternative to gradually

build the dosage.

They also sell it on www.iherb.com, where it'll be cheaper I expect, but it'll

take longer to get to you as it's coming from the USA. If you do order from

Iherb, remember that if the order is over 18 pounds you'll have to pay VAT and

royal mail handling fee plus it'll probably take quite a lot longer to get to

you. There may be other brands of adrenal cortex, i'll try to see if i can

find any.

> Could I also ask, how do you tell when the adrenals are 'happier' and the body

could cope with adding Thyroid supplementation (Dr P. recommended Nutri Thyroid

to start with)?

I think Trish has answered this already. I would also add that I would go by

how you feel - ie, have your adrenal symptoms lessened or do you not feel any

better?

These are *some* symptoms of low cortisol

My face looks thinner

My friends call me skinny

I have eczema, psoriasis, urticaria (nettle rash), skin allergies, or other

rashes

My heart beats quickly

My blood pressure is low

I crave salt and sugar (to the extent of binging)

I have digestive problem

I have allergies (hay fever, asthma, etc.)

I'm stressed out

I'm easily confused

There's more info on the tpa website, too:

http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk/adrenals.php

http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk/adrenals5.php

I keep going on about the hertoghe questionnaire, but i find it useful -i t's

just an indication of where your problems *may* lie - symptoms can be caused by

more than one thing of course, but when there's a cluster of them,maybe that's a

big clue of where the problem lies and is worth further testing and talking to

your doctor about. There is much more info in the book

thyroid treatment/files/MEDICAL%20QUESTIONNAI\

RES/

Best wishes,

Chris

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overwhelmed, thank you for all your help!

I do keep a general diary (thought it would be good since I started taking

supplements) but I will now start the more precise temp and bp etc.

Heard back from Dr P. thonight and I have a phone chat booked for late Nov to

talk about my Genova results, will help running through my proposed supplements

with him.

Just bought Dr Hertoghe's book :-) and I did the questionnaire, thanks for

linking me to it. Very interesting - it did pick up on the once I know are

deficient and also, as you pointed out, it comes out that I might be low on

Melatonin.

Like the idea of a lower sublingual dose - I shall look into it.

Adrenal supplement - I didn't even consider that it might be the capsule itself

- interesting. Will try to empty it into my morning powder mix and see how I get

on. Great tip!

Yes, Trish gave me a really good answer re adrenal health. Think I am just a bit

over keen to make sure I start the thyroid supplement as soon as possible - but

I know - one thing at a time, one day at a time.

I have high hopes for the gyno next week, it is a chap I've seen before so am

really hoping for some answers and guidance when it comes to hormones as well.

Will keep you posted.

Again, thank you, it feels so good and encouraging to get support and help after

what has felt like a very long and lonely battle.

Eva

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Hi Eva,

You're welcome, please let us know how you get on (if you want to)

chris

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> Again, thank you, it feels so good and encouraging to get support and help

after what has felt like a very long and lonely battle.

> Eva

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