Re: Drs tomorrow

[Guest guest]

Tania,

If I was you, I would wait and see what the results are like.....

Mine came back and were really good, everything nicely towards top end of the

range, with low TSH which is normal for me...... the doc was happy with the

results.... I'm going to let them do a second test, let them be happy

again... then drop the bombshell

Are you faring any better with the NT? You must know yourself if you feel any

better......

Of course if the T4 left you with high tsh, it will now be reduced and the doc

might spot it on the test results....... but she might not......

G

>

> I'm going to my drs tomorrow and it's the first time since I've been self

treating with erfa.

> Do I tell her about it and that I'm coming off the thyroxine which I've

struggled with for 4 years.

> I'm worried about what to say.

>

>

[Guest guest]

If the Erfa 'Thyroid' has (or is) taking away your symptoms for

the first time in 4 years, then hold your head high and say to your doctor

" You know, I must tell you a wonderful thing that has happened to me. As

you know, for the past four years I have been struggling with continuing

symptoms and life was getting unbearable, but then, I heard about natural

desiccated porcine thyroid extract and how it is giving health back to

thousands of people. I decided to have a trial to see if it was as good as

people were making out, and oh boy! yes it is. I am a member of the charity

Thyroid Patient Advocacy and they helped me with the right dose to start, and I

had to increase it every 3 to 4 weeks by 30mgs until I reached the dose that

took away my symptoms. I am not taking ****grains (or ****mgs daily, and I take

this twice daily, because of the short half life of the T3 that is in natural

thyroid).

I now intend to stay on this natural thyroid hormone for the

rest of my life because I know this is what my body needs, and although I am

prepared to have to purchase this myself, I wondered if you would prescribe it

for me instead of the levothyroxine.

It is an unlicensed medicine, because it has never required a

license as it was 'grandfathered in' because it had been used safely and

effectively for over 100 years. I have brought with me copies of a letter and

emails from the MHRA telling doctors that they can prescribe it if

levothyroxine doesn't work for their patients, but that you have to take

responsibility for this because it remains unlicensed.

Did you know Doctor, that every single patient who suffered with

symptoms of hypothyroidism were all prescribed natural thyroid extract for over

50 years before levothyroxine was manufactured, and then, because they couldn't

patent natural thyroid, but they could the synthetics, natural thyroid fell out

of favour, but in all that time, nobody had the problems with it that they do

with levothyroxine that they do today.

Then close your eyes and pray!

Luv - Sheila

I'm going to my drs tomorrow and it's the first

time since I've been self treating with erfa.

Do I tell her about it and that I'm coming off the thyroxine which I've

struggled with for 4 years.

I'm worried about what to say.

[Guest guest]

- apologies, I forgot to attach the letter from the MHRA

and Emails.

From: thyroid treatment

[mailto:thyroid treatment ] On Behalf Of

Sent: 09 November 2011 09:56

thyroid treatment

Subject: Drs tomorrow

I'm going to my drs tomorrow and it's the first

time since I've been self treating with erfa.

Do I tell her about it and that I'm coming off the thyroxine which I've

struggled with for 4 years.

I'm worried about what to say.

1 of 1 File(s)

MHRA confirmation re Natur1.doc

[Guest guest]

Oh Sheila, what a brilliant speech!! Good luck for tomorrow .

I am keeping a copy of this for when I have the courage to tell my GP - if anything is going to persuade my GP then hopefully this one will. I have been on NDT since about June so in about another 6 months I should be so back to normal and ready to state my case and argue nicely that this speech should do the trick and persuade him (hopefully!!)

From: Sheila <sheila@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011, 12:26Subject: RE: Drs tomorrow

If the Erfa 'Thyroid' has (or is) taking away your symptoms for the first time in 4 years, then hold your head high and say to your doctor "You know, I must tell you a wonderful thing that has happened to me. As you know, for the past four years I have been struggling with continuing symptoms and life was getting unbearable, but then, I heard about natural desiccated porcine thyroid extract and how it is giving health back to thousands of people. I decided to have a trial to see if it was as good as people were making out, and oh boy! yes it is. I am a member of the charity Thyroid Patient Advocacy and they helped me with the right dose to start, and I had to increase it every 3 to 4 weeks by 30mgs until I reached the dose that took away my symptoms. I am not taking ****grains (or ****mgs daily, and I take this twice daily, because of the short half life of the T3 that is in

natural thyroid).

I now intend to stay on this natural thyroid hormone for the rest of my life because I know this is what my body needs, and although I am prepared to have to purchase this myself, I wondered if you would prescribe it for me instead of the levothyroxine.

It is an unlicensed medicine, because it has never required a license as it was 'grandfathered in' because it had been used safely and effectively for over 100 years. I have brought with me copies of a letter and emails from the MHRA telling doctors that they can prescribe it if levothyroxine doesn't work for their patients, but that you have to take responsibility for this because it remains unlicensed.

Did you know Doctor, that every single patient who suffered with symptoms of hypothyroidism were all prescribed natural thyroid extract for over 50 years before levothyroxine was manufactured, and then, because they couldn't patent natural thyroid, but they could the synthetics, natural thyroid fell out of favour, but in all that time, nobody had the problems with it that they do with levothyroxine that they do today.

Then close your eyes and pray!

Luv - Sheila

I'm going to my drs tomorrow and it's the first time since I've been self treating with erfa.Do I tell her about it and that I'm coming off the thyroxine which I've struggled with for 4 years.I'm worried about what to say.

[Guest guest]

NO, don't tell her, if you buy your own medication it has repercussions with the

NHS.

Just remember to NOT take your Erfa before your blood tests.

Glynis

>

> I'm going to my drs tomorrow and it's the first time since I've been self

treating with erfa.

> Do I tell her about it and that I'm coming off the thyroxine which I've

struggled with for 4 years.

> I'm worried about what to say.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Glynis,

you might have had this experience, but for many of us, we have not. I was

using Armour thyroid outside of the NHS and when I found it worked for me, I

asked my GP to refer me to an endocrinologist to see if they would recommend

that this be prescribed for me within the NHS. First endocrinologist didn't

want to know, second endocrinologist didn't want to know until I took the facts

into him and asked him to read them, and then he changed his mind, and I have

now been getting natural thyroid extract (Erfa 'Thyroid') prescribed by the NHS

for the past 7 years. It pays to be honest with your doctor, and if your

doctor still refuses to prescribe it, at least you have lost nothing, and you can

still carry on buying it for yourself.

There

are times when doctors appreciate that their patients have to buy their own

medication.

Luv

- Sheila

NO, don't tell her, if you buy your own

medication it has repercussions with the NHS.

Just remember to NOT take your Erfa before your blood tests.

Glynis

>

> I'm going to my drs tomorrow and it's the first time since I've been self

treating with erfa.

> Do I tell her about it and that I'm coming off the thyroxine which I've

struggled with for 4 years.

> I'm worried about what to say.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi it worked for me too!!

When seeing the endo last month I told him I was self medicating with T3 instead

of his idea of increasing thyroxine( which hadn't worked for 16 years).

After telling him the many symptoms which had improved I asked him to prescribe

T3.

He has compromised by halving the thyroxine and adding T3 which he says he may

increase next time. One in the eye for my GP who refused anything other than the

evil thyroxine!!!

>

> Glynis, you might have had this experience, but for many of us, we have not.

[Guest guest]

Hi

Do you know whether your endocrinologist is on my recommended

doctors list? These are doctors who will prescribe using t4/T3 combination, T3

on it's own or natural desiccated porcine thyroid extract. If not, can you

write to me privately with this please and send his name and hospital address

to [sheila@...]

How are you feeling since your medication was changed to

combination?

Luv - Sheila

Hi it worked for me too!!

When seeing the endo last month I told him I was self medicating with T3

instead of his idea of increasing thyroxine( which hadn't worked for 16 years).

After telling him the many symptoms which had improved I asked him to prescribe

T3.

He has compromised by halving the thyroxine and adding T3 which he says he may

increase next time. One in the eye for my GP who refused anything other than the

evil thyroxine!!!

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

I stayed on 50mcg thyroxine, 20mcg T3 for almost a week, now back on 50mcg T3

only. Very soon started getting aches and pains starting in my shoulders, neck

and upper back. These were the first aches to go when starting on T3.

Will just have to work on the endo until he does give a full dose! Don't know

why he wants me on combination, surely 16 years is long enough to discover it

does not work for me?

One question, if on T3 only, what about the other hormones like T1, T2? Can one

exist happily without them?

I have emailed you the endo's details but will send additional info.

Thanks -

How are you feeling since your medication was changed to combination?

>

> Luv - Sheila

[Guest guest]

Like the inactive T4 converts through thyroid hormone receptors

into the active thyroid hormone T3, T3 converts into the active hormones T2 and

T1. These hormones exist in such tiny amount they are not measured in the same

way as T4 and T3 a\re, but we all know what the mighty atom does.

I bundled a host of information about the active T2 and T1

hormones and these are in the FILES SECTION if you want to read more about

them.

Luv - Sheila

One question, if on T3 only, what about the other hormones like T1, T2? Can one

exist happily without them?

I have emailed you the endo's details but will send additional info.

[Guest guest]

HI SHEILA

Having looked up the files about T1 and T2, I have printed out one that has a

lot of info in it, but exactley how can I tell if I require T2 or T1, and is

there such a test.

Would my GP know anything about T1 or T2 as I have to see him tomorrow, and

bearing in mind that they appear to know little about what treatment to actually

give a patient without causing more harm.

Can one buy T2 OR T1 if required.

The Homeopath that I went to see has given me some medication, one to take each

night and one to be taken each week, and she said that it would take quite a

while to be able to come off the Prednisolone.

The one thing I do know is that I do not take kindly to Oestrogen.

Since being on T3 I have been able to have small ammount of fish, but it is not

good to have fried with batter on, as it causes ACID REFLUX.

Last of all do you mind me taking my GP some of your information to read about

T1 and T2.

Kathleen

>

, T3 converts into the active hormones T2 and T1.

> These hormones exist in such tiny amount they are not measured in the same

> way as T4 and T3 a\re, but we all know what the mighty atom does.

>

> I bundled a host of information about the active T2 and T1 hormones and

>> Luv - Sheila

[Guest guest]

HI SHEILA

Having looked up the files about T1 and T2, I have printed out one that has a

lot of info in it, but exactley how can I tell if I require T2 or T1, and is

there such a test.

Not as far as I am aware.

Would my GP know anything about T1 or T2 as I have to see

him tomorrow,

I very much doubt it.

and bearing in mind that they appear to know little about

what treatment to actually give a patient without causing more harm.

The T2 and T1 in natural thyroid extract has never been

measured, it is claimed it is too miniscule to bother. Few doctors know about

the functions of T2 and T1.

Can one buy T2 OR T1 if required.

Difficult to find, but some body-building web sites sell it, but

it is very dangerous to treat with it unless you know what you are doing.

Mainly T2 and T1 are not needed as they are made from T3.

Last of all do you mind me taking my GP some of your information to read about

T1 and T2.

Not at all Kathleen, that's why TPA is here, to help educate

doctors in what they have not been taught at medical school

Luv - Sheila

Kathleen

>

, T3 converts into the active hormones T2 and T1.

> These hormones exist in such tiny amount they are not measured in the same

> way as T4 and T3 a\re, but we all know what the mighty atom does.

>

> I bundled a host of information about the active T2 and T1 hormones and

>> Luv - Sheila

[Guest guest]

HI SHEILA,

I am past the age where I would indulge in athletics or Body Building, so from

this I can see why one has to be careful with T3, but if Body building shops

sell T1 and T2 then it is clear that athletics use T1 or T2 to enhance their

performance (could they get away with it), or could there be such a test in this

respect, if they are enhancing performance with these hormones.

If this is so could this be why Doctors are reluctant to prescribe T3, let alone

T1 or T2.

In relation to tests could an athletic who uses a lot of energy and tires

themselves out, show that they have then become Hypothyroid.

In this case it could be very dangerous to push oneself even more on these

hormones.

If this is the case and Body Builders, and Athletics use these hormones

indiscrimently then this may well make it bad for those that need these drugs

due to genunine problems of the Thyroid Gland.

Could this in fact be why we are having problems with our GP'S.

Kathleen

>

> HI SHEILA

>

> Can one buy T2 OR T1 if required.

>

> Difficult to find, but some body-building web sites sell it, but it is very

> dangerous to treat with it unless you know what you are doing. Mainly T2 and

> T1 are not needed as they are made from T3.

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

[Guest guest]

Personally I think this could be one of the reasons.   Another I think is that they think we are using them as slimming pills.    Even on the information from Forest about Armour they give a warning that they are not to be given as slimming pills.

I think as soon as the doctor hears us say that we can't lose weight, they forget all the other symptoms we have been listing and automatically think " ah she wants a slimming pill " .    I find most doctors have a tendency to jump to conclusions (which are usually the wrong ones) and are very judgemental.  

Lilian

If this is so could this be why Doctors are reluctant to prescribe T3, let alone T1 or T2.

[Guest guest]

They also seem to think Hypothyroidism is due to old age, but this in turn is

not the only illness that a Doctor will say is due to our age, but I think women

have to put up with this remark more than a male does, and if a male has

problems with his water works he gets more prompt treatment than a female.

DO YOU ALL AGREE WITH THIS.

When I see my GP tomorrow I am also going to take with me an article concerning

Hyperparathyroidism which may well come into why my GP wants to prescribe

Alendronate.

There was already a problem with Calcium before I was placed on Prednisolone,

and it in turn may well be making further problems with Calcium.

From what I gather too the blood tests are not reliable, as if the calcium in

the blood is in short supply it pulls it from the bones, so the bones suffer.

Prescribing Alendronate will not find out the cause of a Calcium problem and may

well cause further problems.

In the article the patient developed kidney stones,( could this be the cause of

calcium crystals said to be in my urine, which can look cloudy) but the reason

for the kidney stones that was that the patient had an adenoma on one of her

parathyroid glands.

My GP is most certainly going to have to come up with a cause of the problem

with calcium before I was put on Prednisolone which may well be causing it to

worsen, and although he said my test results were OK I have to wonder why he

came up with wanting me to have Alendronate.

Kathleen

>

> Personally I think this could be one of the reasons. Another I think is

> that they think we are using them as slimming pills.

> Lilian

[Guest guest]

Most definitely

Kathleen - doctors know that body builders use thyroid hormones to enhance

their performance, so we get labelled as wanting them to lose weight etc. Shows

though that they are not good doctors.

Luv - Sheila

If this is the case and Body Builders, and Athletics use these hormones

indiscrimently then this may well make it bad for those that need these drugs

due to genunine problems of the Thyroid Gland.

Could this in fact be why we are having problems with our GP'S.

Kathleen

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_,_._,___

[Guest guest]

Which goes to show all of us, if you have symptoms of

hypothyroidism, and one of them is weight gain, sometimes, quite horrific

weight gain, then don't put that on your list of symptoms that you give to your

doctor, otherwise, as Lilian says, they will believe that's all your concerned

about and send you packing, especially if your thyroid function tests appear

within the reference range. Concentrate on all your other symptoms only.

Luv - Sheila

Personally I think this could be one of the reasons. Another I think

is that they think we are using them as slimming pills. Even on

the information from Forest about Armour they give a warning that they are not

to be given as slimming pills.

I think as soon as the doctor hears us say that we can't

lose weight, they forget all the other symptoms we have been listing and

automatically think " ah she wants a slimming pill " . I

find most doctors have a tendency to jump to conclusions (which are usually the

wrong ones) and are very judgemental.

Lilian

If this is so could this be why Doctors are reluctant to prescribe T3, let

alone T1 or T2.

[Guest guest]

Doctor told my father that it was his age when he kept complaining he was falling asleep all day (when it turned out to be hypothyroidism). I remember reading a pamphlet from Age Concern (as it was then called). It said to never let your doctor tell you anything you had was your age. It is true that you can get more things going wrong as you get older but age is not the disease.

It seems when you tell your doctor your list of hypothyroid symptoms, if you are a woman do not mention weight, and if you are over 60 do not mention falling asleep during the day lol.

Lilian

They also seem to think Hypothyroidism is due to old age, but this in turn is not the only illness that a Doctor will say is due to our age, but I think women have to put up with this

[Guest guest]

T1 and T2 are active thyroid hormones similar to T3 the difference besides having one or two less iodine molecules is that their effects on the body's cells and organs is much quicker than t3 however, they do not last so long. \For hypothyroidism there is no real benefit to takingT1 or T2 if you can take T3. I can see the benefits to athletes as the effect is produced much quicker and it doesnt linger in your body for so long.

I am past the age where I would indulge in athletics or Body Building, so from this I can see why one has to be careful with T3, but if Body building shops sell T1 and T2 then it is clear that athletics use T1 or T2 to enhance their performance (could they get away with it), or could there be such a test in this respect, if they are enhancing performance with these hormones.

If this is so could this be why Doctors are reluctant to prescribe T3, let alone T1 or T2.

> Difficult to find, but some body-building web sites sell it, but it is very

> dangerous to treat with it unless you know what you are doing. Mainly T2 and

> T1 are not needed as they are made from T3.

>

>

[Guest guest]

For some reason in hypothyroids we have high levels of tissue calcium and low bone calcium....the levels in the blood may also be low.This may be due to the fact that our thyroid gland is not producing calcitonin and further may also affect the parathyroid glands too; both having direct effect on

calcium in our body. Osteoporosis is commonly associated with hypothyrodism.However, giving calcium is not a good thing to do in this situation. The tissue levels of calcium should be less than 1% of the total calcium in our body. In hypothyroids this is not so, the levels are much higher than that. The bones and teeth store ALL MINERALS....not just calcium and theyf

need all minerals not just calcium. One amazing mineral we hear little about is magnesium. Magnesium is depleted in the western diet and further depleted in our soils due to fertilizers etc. the MANUFACTURING food products further depletes magnesium levels further. As a westerner we are prone to magnesium deficiency. HOWEVER, in hypothyroidism there is a greater tendency to be magensium deficient. magnesium is like the school maam of minerals so far as calcium is concerned; calcium being the uncontrollable teenager. magnesium has an influence over calcium and prevents it from siting around in the soft tissues; such as artery walls

and kidneys, heart, brain, gall bladder etc. When magnesium is depleted in our body cells it will draw on our adrenal glands to give up its rich magnesium mineral....thus depleting the adrenal glands. Eventually when all stores of magensium including bones and teeth, are depleted calcium is able to run riot around the body. atherosclerosis and arteriosclerosis are another common symptom of hypothyroids,,,,alongside adrenal insuffiency.PLEASE NOTE if you take calcium supplements do consider where this is going to be deposited. Our diet is rich in calcium as it is added to many foods. It is rare that you need to take a calcium supplement but rather you need to take a magnesium supplement. this will push calcium out from the soft tissue and back into the bones and teeth where 99% of the body's calcium should be stored.When taking ANY single mineral supplement you shdould also take a MULTI MINERAL SUPPLEMENT too.........

They also seem to think Hypothyroidism is due to old age, but this in turn is not the only illness that a Doctor will say is due to our age, but I think women have to put up with this remark more than a male does, and if a male has problems with his water works he gets more prompt treatment than a female.

DO YOU ALL AGREE WITH THIS.

When I see my GP tomorrow I am also going to take with me an article concerning Hyperparathyroidism which may well come into why my GP wants to prescribe Alendronate.

There was already a problem with Calcium before I was placed on Prednisolone, and it in turn may well be making further problems with Calcium.

From what I gather too the blood tests are not reliable, as if the calcium in the blood is in short supply it pulls it from the bones, so the bones suffer.

Prescribing Alendronate will not find out the cause of a Calcium problem and may well cause further problems.

In the article the patient developed kidney stones,( could this be the cause of calcium crystals said to be in my urine, which can look cloudy) but the reason for the kidney stones that was that the patient had an adenoma on one of her parathyroid glands.

My GP is most certainly going to have to come up with a cause of the problem with calcium before I was put on Prednisolone which may well be causing it to worsen, and although he said my test results were OK I have to wonder why he came up with wanting me to have Alendronate.

Kathleen

>

> Personally I think this could be one of the reasons. Another I think is

> that they think we are using them as slimming pills.

> Lilian

[Guest guest]

HI SHEILA

I have just returned from my GP and he was livid that the Homeopath informed me

that she could provide medication that could replace Prednisolone which in turn

could prevent my bones from getting osteoporosis.

He said that they have no medical training whatsoever, and that it does not give

them the right to advise on health care. He said the medication would do no

harm, but no good either, and in fact waste my money.

He has arranged more blood tests including glucose fasting, ESR, CRP AND

CALCIUM.

He also does not sound like he has much regard for Psychiatrists either.

I also forgot to take my afternoon T3 YESTERDAY, but in the night at 4am I had a

nasty bout of cramp in my toes which was not helped by sitting on the edge of my

bed. I decided to take half my 25mcg T3, and the cramp went away.

I also found it easier on the bowels, not constipated as I have been and not an

upset stomach.

I am not sure if this is due to a change in time on taking T3 or if its due to

use of a suppositry for haemorroids.

However as T3 has a life of 8 hours I am going to spread out taking half a 25mcg

pill every 8 hours starting from the 4AM one this morning, and have put this

into my mobile phone to remind me to take it.

As my GP was so cross I did not get round to the T2 and T1.

The reason that I am so wary of drugs is that I have suffered from them and

ended up with breast cancer as a result of wrong treatment for Hypothyroidism,

which in turn had caused it to worsen.

My weight has very slightly gone down, but its good that it has not gone up.

Kathleen

>

> Most definitely Kathleen - doctors know that body builders use thyroid

> hormones to enhance their performance, so we get labelled as wanting them to

> lose weight etc. Shows though that they are not good doctors.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

[Guest guest]

On one of my visits to try and get T4 increased or even try T3 or NDT, (stating more fatigue (not tiredness) and more weight gain) the doc said that I wouldnt want thyroid problem and everyone seems to think thyroxine is the cure all and gives everyone a buzz and allows them to do a lot more! Said I was on 125-150mcg already and it certainly did the opposite for me - he didnt remember that I was onT4 already. Then said that all the yummie mummies wanted T4 to lose weight etc! Then after looking at notes finally said my T3 was in range, TSH ok, my thyroid was not my problem - sounds familiar doesnt it - is it any wonder we self medicate?

From: Lilian <lilian15@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Friday, 11 November 2011, 8:17Subject: Re: Re: Drs tomorrow

Doctor told my father that it was his age when he kept complaining he was falling asleep all day (when it turned out to be hypothyroidism). I remember reading a pamphlet from Age Concern (as it was then called). It said to never let your doctor tell you anything you had was your age. It is true that you can get more things going wrong as you get older but age is not the disease.

It seems when you tell your doctor your list of hypothyroid symptoms, if you are a woman do not mention weight, and if you are over 60 do not mention falling asleep during the day lol.

Lilian

They also seem to think Hypothyroidism is due to old age, but this in turn is not the only illness that a Doctor will say is due to our age, but I think women have to put up with this

[Guest guest]

At a weight of 20 to 21 stone for the last 15 years and being on a diet of

one kind or the other the whole time. My doctor seems to be obsessed with my

weight. I'm not, he is.

I am at the moment, slowly, very slowly losing weight on a Gluten and mostly

grain free diet (the only grain I have is cornflour for thicken some gravies

and sauces, coupled with as low carb a diet as I can tolerate (about 70grams

of carbs a day). Since being wheat free and having some accidently , I have

found out that I am wheat intolerant, which lead me to Thyroid problems. The

other aspect to my weight loss is that It is staying off, its not bouncing

back on, unless I accidently have wheat, then I put on 6lbs overnight with

water retention.

G.

[Guest guest]

Hello Sally,

I am responding to your posting, under the heading of " doctors tomorrow " . Your

comments regarding Magnesium and Calcium are confirmed

in an article " How to increase your bone density " which is available on the

American website www.health-reports.com/osteoporosis.html.

This report relates specifically to osteoporosis but its clear to the reader

that there is a definite link between osteoporosis and hypothyroidism. The

importance of Magnesium in the body could not be more emphasised, so much so

that Stage 1 of the Reversing Osteoporosis protocol is a dosage of 4 to 5

months Magnesium and other nutrients but excluding Calcium entirely.

1) The standard treatment for Osteoporosis is Alendronate plus Adcal D3 (calcium

carbonate chews with D3 ie no magnesium prescibed.

2) The standard NHS treatmentfor Hypothyroidism is Levothyroxine

3) Recommended vit and min support for Osteoporosis sufferers (not available on

the NHS (eg for example Nutri Osteo P Complex, includes

Magnesium and Calcium in approximately equal proportions.

4) Recommended vit and min support for Hypothyroidism sufferers (not t

available on the NHS (includes Magnesium AND Calcium (in approx equal

proportions).

I am surprised the Vitamin and Mineral manufacturers are not aware

of the importance of Magnesium as opposed to Calcium!

> >

> > Personally I think this could be one of the reasons. Another I think is

> > that they think we are using them as slimming pills.

> > Lilian

>

[Guest guest]

,

After this great long thread with everybody adding their 10p worth, did you tell

the doc, or not?

x

>

> I'm going to my drs tomorrow and it's the first time since I've been self

treating with erfa.

> Do I tell her about it