selenium

[Guest guest]

Selenium is a very good cancer fighter. It is a mineral that should be in

our diets everyday and I have never heard of any conflict with anything.

Maybe somenoe else has.

It can be overdone. I think I am using 150 Mcgs a day. I have read that

one should not go over 200.

Cliff

Selenium

>Hello can anyone tell me about Selenium (I hope the spelling is correct).

>What are its effects om cancer and is it safe to take while on chemo.

>Experimental chemo.

>

>Thankyou

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Hello Chere. The best form of Selenium for supplementation is

Selenomethione. for more info go to this link.

http://www.virtualhealthinfo.com/supp/selenium.htm

Best to you....BTW....it's a great antioxident!!!

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>Hello can anyone tell me about Selenium (I hope the spelling is correct).

>What are its effects om cancer and is it safe to take while on chemo.

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Cindi,

It happened to me too! In fact I have experienced the same problem

with almost any vitamins/minerals I have tried (as single or multiple

and with all mades I have tried) EXCEPT: cod liver oil (A & D) and very

low dose of powdered vitamin E acetate (100 IU).

I wonder if anyone can speculate as to why it happens.

My speculation is that supplements, at least in my case, actually

create a " new imbalance " , which results in hair loss, and other skin

related symptoms such as scalp itchiness and certain type of

pimple-like red-heads that are very different from hormonal acne.

Take acre,

Gail

-- In @y..., canderson@a... wrote:

> I was losing my hair a lot, and when I stopped selenium I stopped

losing

> it. Has anyone else had this?

>

> Cindi

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good heavens! Hair loss is a (well known) symptom of selenium

overdose. The therapeutic dose of Se is very close to the toxic dose, so

it is one of those things you have to be very careful about.

I too find if I take 200mcg a day (additional to other intake), I start

losing hair, so I have backed off to half that dose and it is fine.

Here is the only quote I can readily find on this topic...by

P.D. Whanger, Ph.D.

Professor Of Agricultural Chemistry

OSU/LPI Affiliate Investigator of the Linus ing Institute.

" If one chooses to take selenium supplements to reduce the chance of

contracting cancer, it is important that the maximum daily intake from all

sources be less than 400 micrograms. Toxic effects of excessive selenium

include hair loss, fatigue, immune impairment, weakened fingernails, and

other problems. Since the trial conducted in the United States indicated

that 200 micrograms per day was just as effective as 400 micrograms per day

in preventing certain types of cancer; there is no compelling reason to

take a daily amount of selenium greater than 200 micrograms " .

HTH

n

At 14:38 07/03/01, you wrote:

>-- In @y..., canderson@a... wrote:

> > I was losing my hair a lot, and when I stopped selenium I stopped

>losing

> > it. Has anyone else had this?

> >

> > Cindi

> >

[Guest guest]

That's very interesting, because I was only taking 50 mcg a day (plus a

few mcg that were in a multivitamin.) Maybe I already have too much

selenium. I'll do some research, as this could be an important clue. I

wonder if there is a test for excessive selenium.

Cindi

n <jrobinso@...>

03/06/01 10:23 PM

Please respond to

cc:

Subject: Re: Re: Selenium

Good heavens! Hair loss is a (well known) symptom of selenium

overdose. The therapeutic dose of Se is very close to the toxic dose, so

it is one of those things you have to be very careful about.

I too find if I take 200mcg a day (additional to other intake), I start

losing hair, so I have backed off to half that dose and it is fine.

Here is the only quote I can readily find on this topic...by

P.D. Whanger, Ph.D.

Professor Of Agricultural Chemistry

OSU/LPI Affiliate Investigator of the Linus ing Institute.

" If one chooses to take selenium supplements to reduce the chance of

contracting cancer, it is important that the maximum daily intake from all

sources be less than 400 micrograms. Toxic effects of excessive selenium

include hair loss, fatigue, immune impairment, weakened fingernails, and

other problems. Since the trial conducted in the United States indicated

that 200 micrograms per day was just as effective as 400 micrograms per

day

in preventing certain types of cancer; there is no compelling reason to

take a daily amount of selenium greater than 200 micrograms " .

[Guest guest]

Cindi,

I agree that like everything else we all have different needs and

metabolisms - also in the case of Selenium apparently the amount you get in

your diet varies enormously from place to place. Maybe we get quite a bit

through this means??? Obviously the recommmended max (I have seen from 200

to 400mcg a day) is an approximation and a personal range down to a quarter

of that doesn't seem too much out of the question.

Hair tests are supposed to be able to measure Se according to some (if you

still have any!) but I don't think most researchers would say they are a

very accurate way of measuring mineral status.

If you find out anything exciting in your research, please post it.

n

At 09:16 08/03/01, you wrote:

>That's very interesting, because I was only taking 50 mcg a day (plus a

>few mcg that were in a multivitamin.) Maybe I already have too much

>selenium. I'll do some research, as this could be an important clue. I

>wonder if there is a test for excessive selenium.

>Cindi

>

>

>

>

>

>n <jrobinso@...>

>03/06/01 10:23 PM

>Please respond to

>

>

>

> cc:

> Subject: Re: Re: Selenium

>

>Good heavens! Hair loss is a (well known) symptom of selenium

>overdose. The therapeutic dose of Se is very close to the toxic dose, so

>it is one of those things you have to be very careful about.

>

>I too find if I take 200mcg a day (additional to other intake), I start

>losing hair, so I have backed off to half that dose and it is fine.

>

>Here is the only quote I can readily find on this topic...by

>P.D. Whanger, Ph.D.

>Professor Of Agricultural Chemistry

>OSU/LPI Affiliate Investigator of the Linus ing Institute.

>

> " If one chooses to take selenium supplements to reduce the chance of

>contracting cancer, it is important that the maximum daily intake from all

>

>sources be less than 400 micrograms. Toxic effects of excessive selenium

>include hair loss, fatigue, immune impairment, weakened fingernails, and

>other problems. Since the trial conducted in the United States indicated

>that 200 micrograms per day was just as effective as 400 micrograms per

>day

>in preventing certain types of cancer; there is no compelling reason to

>take a daily amount of selenium greater than 200 micrograms " .

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hair tests are supposed to be able to measure Se according to some (if you

still have any!) but I don't think most researchers would say they are a

very accurate way of measuring mineral status.

Great Smokies Diagnostic Labs, www.gsdl.com, does a test called an RBC

Elemental. It tests the amount of minerals and metals in your whole RBC.

Probably the most accurate test available to us to see what's really going

on. My RBC just came back low in selenium, which is the first time in the

five years I've been taking this test. They send you a kit which you take to

a local lab for the blood draw and overnight to them. You do need a

prescription.

Donna in NC

[Guest guest]

>

> The RDA for selenium is 50 to 200 mcg. Selenium can accumulate in

> the body to toxic levels.

The RDA is a Joke, and even Codex has agreed to go with safety

instead. The therapeutic window for selenium is 200-600 mcg and up

to 1100 mcg produces excellent results with little cance of

selenium toxicity. 1600 mcg daily does produce a risk of

accumulation.

>

> http://www.springboard4health.com/notebook/min_selenium.html

> The salt form of selenium (sodium selenite) is toxic at relatively

> low levels, while the amino acid form (selenomethionine or

> selenocysteine) may be safely ingested at levels up to 1,000 mcg for

> an adult.

>

> According to the above, be aware of what form selenium you are

> taking.

>

I can agree with that, utilisation is important, as with any

mineral, although 1,000 is a very safe level. If a person does

encounter selenium toxicity, selenium reduction is obtained with

arsenic.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

However selenium has been noted to be able to bring methylated mercury to the

brain, where the methylated mercury is changed back to anorganic mercury and in

this way selenium can cause higher mercury content in the brain.

Some people with mercury poisening from their amalgam dental fillings, taking

more then 50mcg or even 20 mcg can cause psychological complaints.

Regards

----------

More info on selenium in relation with dental-amalgam

>

> >Not being a chelating agent, selenium is safe to take while fillings are

> >still in. In fact, it is extremely helpful since it passivates mercury and

> >also promotes the formation of more of certain selenium containing enzymes

> >that mercury poisons. Mercury toxic people should take at least 200 mcg of

> >selenium as selenomethionine daily regardless of whether their fillings are

> >in or out.

> >Andy Cutler

>

> Like Doedens already pointed out, the above advice from AC is

> scientifically incompteent, not based on facts, as usual, as science has

> shown

> that

> selenium INCREASES brain organic mercury uptake ... ( incompetent advice,

> just

> like Cutler claims of LA as chelator, while recent science posted on this

> list

> from

> medline,m 1991, proved that LA is not a chelator, but instead an

> antioxidant, and

>

> it has also been show how Cutler's touted dmps+la is dangerous pro-oxidative

> mixture

> for iron and copper poisoned, and it has also been presented that his

> protcol has damaged people such as , now this selenium advice from

> Andy

> Cutler may be really additionally brain damaging to those do not want their

> brains damaged with increased brain intake of mercury selenium causes ...

> Just

> feel

> sorry for all those who become senile before their time because of following

> Cutler's

> dangerous advice.

>

> Following a reference of solid mercury research pioneers :

> ============================================

>

> " The effect of selenium on the brain uptake of methylmercury.

> Magos L; Webb M

> Arch Toxicol, 1977 Sep, 38:3, 201-7

> Twenty-four h after the subcutaneous administration of 0.5 mumoles

> selenite labelled with 75Se to rats of 200 g body weight, the

> retention of selenium at the injection site was significantly increased

> by the presence of equimolar amounts of methylmercury in the

> injection solution. The retention of Me203HgCl was not affected by the

> presence of selenite. The most significant shift caused by

> interaction was a decrease in the blood content and an increase in the

> brain content of 203Hg. The brain content of 75Se

> ==========================================================

> was also increased to a lesser extent. The shift in the

> distribution--which was the same whether the two metals were injected at

> the same site or separately--continuously decreased from 6-48 h. The same

> interaction pattern was observed when methylmercury and

> selenite were administered by gastric gavage and differences in

> distribution increased when the dose was increased from 1.25

> mumoles/kg to 2.5 mumoles/kg. The increase in the brain content of

> mercury caused by selenite was not restricted to

>

> ================================================================

> simultaneous administration and occurred when selenite was given 2-7

> days after methylmercury. "

> ===========================================================================

>

> I.E. Concomitant Selenium intake in high with hg like Andy Cutler

> suggests ( just like his LA+DMPS advice ) as is the case when

> amalgams are still, will INCREASE BRAIN ORGANIC MERCURY uptake from

> blood ( amalgam mercury converts to organic in blood in vivo all

> the time ) , and only real fools would want to increase their brain

> uptake.

>

> Therefore, the above advice to take selenium while amalgams are still in

> is not very cool, especially for those who have more than non-existing

> organic mercury component in their blood.

>

> For additional support, MD Daunderer's decades long experience showed

> that selenium was a no-no for amalgam patients with amalgams in,

> and even for some time after, as quite many got worse from selenium,

> and he warns against the selenium in his material.

>

> I personally tried selenium in the early days of being

> poisoned and sometime after removal even, and got

> severe heart arrythmias from the selenium, also in the

> form of selenomethionine, and it took me years to recover

> enough from the dmps damage and amalgam poisoning to tolerate

> any selenium in any form, and I have never tolerated more than

> 200 ug, but never actually want to take that much at a time,

> most I would take is 75 ug at a time, and only a few years post

> removal, unless, one was not significantly poisoned to start with,

> and not poisoned with any organic mercury at all, in that case,

> selenium may be more tolerable to those little poisoned, and those

> with practically no organic mercury load.

>

> Regards. Ray S.---

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Duncan Crow wrote:

> >

> > The RDA for selenium is 50 to 200 mcg. Selenium can accumulate in

> > the body to toxic levels.

>

> The RDA is a Joke, and even Codex has agreed to go with safety

> instead. The therapeutic window for selenium is 200-600 mcg and up

> to 1100 mcg produces excellent results with little cance of

> selenium toxicity. 1600 mcg daily does produce a risk of

> accumulation.

>

> >

> > http://www.springboard4health.com/notebook/min_selenium.html

> > The salt form of selenium (sodium selenite) is toxic at relatively

> > low levels, while the amino acid form (selenomethionine or

> > selenocysteine) may be safely ingested at levels up to 1,000 mcg for

> > an adult.

> >

> > According to the above, be aware of what form selenium you are

> > taking.

> >

>

> I can agree with that, utilisation is important, as with any

> mineral, although 1,000 is a very safe level. If a person does

> encounter selenium toxicity, selenium reduction is obtained with

> arsenic.

>

> Duncan Crow

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes, I took Selenium for about a year on the advice of Mark Konlee

(www.keephopealive.org <http://www.keephopealive.org/> ).

Selenium is a precursor to Glutathione and many PWC are deficient. You

can boost Selenium by eating one Brazil Nut every day, that is a natural

source. Most selenium supplements are not absorbable; you need a

natural source, either extracted from yeast, or from Indian Mustard

(from India). They are hard to find. But I found them and used them.

I never noticed much difference, just a little boost maybe. Certainly

not enough to dig out of the CFIDS pit.

--Kurt

Selenium

Hi,

It has been ages since I posted anything, and I am not much of a

reader of the posts lately either, so please excuse me if this was a

recent topic.

A friend with CFS told me Selenium really helped him with energy. I

did a search on the archives and did not find anything (how could

that be? did I do it wrong?)

Anyone have any experience with taking Selenium?

Rivka

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each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor.

_____

[Guest guest]

Jan,

Another thing that selenium does is to form a stable adduct or

complex with mercury and make it unavailable as a toxin. I don't

know if you have a high mercury body load or not, but mercury can

deplete selenium in this same way.

Rich

> I had this experience with Selenium last winter. I have mild CFS

symptoms -- recurrent sore throat, fatigue, flu-like symptoms. Last

winter I was about the sickest I have ever been and I decided to get

proactive before I get as seriously ill as some people on this list.

>

> I read the stuff on AIDS and selenium deficiencies written by Dr.

Harold , available free for download at hkfoster.com. I

emailed him and asked him if he thought it was possible that viruses

other than HIV could be gobbling selenium the way he postulates HIV

does. He thought it was possible, though he had no research to

prove it. I decided to try it.

>

> At the time, I was increasingly bothered by a worsening pain in my

shoulders and neck; I had had it to a small degree for years but it

had gotten significantly worse, I was putting hot pads on it nearly

daily by that time, it was spreading out down my back and was

starting to turn into a serious problem.

>

> I ordered some bottles of magnesium malate, selenium, Concentrace

(Great Salt Lake residues minus most of the salt) and naicin.

>

> When they come in, I rather rashly swallowed a LOT of each -- I

don't remember how much exactly, but at least 5 tablets of each. I

was already supplementing with calcium.

>

> The next day I woke up with really bad herx. I could hardly move

my head, I couldn't think and my shoulders were killing me. I

couldn't work for two days. This continued for about a week,

gradually lessening.

>

> One day I took Aleve. The pain went away. It has never returned.

>

> I have gradually tapered off the high doses of selenium and

magnesium, and am now taking 2 200 mcg capsules and 600 mg of

magnesium malate powder per day. I also take two different kinds of

zinc every day. I have switched to a trace mineral tablet which

does not include the toxic minerals which occur naturally in the

Great Salt Lake; I have added chromium picolinate, manganese and

Vitamin D. I continue to take 2 100mg B complex tabs per day as

well as another 500 mg of niacin.

>

> I think it makes sense to be sure we have all the minerals our

bodies may need and especially selenium, reflecting Dr 's

theories. I plan to have blood work done pretty soon to see if I

have any remaining insufficiencies I need to address. Even if I'm

replete, I plan to continue to take the mineral supplements at the

daily RDA indefinitely.

>

> My other symptoms are also better -- I no longer have the sore

throats, my sinuses seem to be trying to clear themselves though it

is taking forever . . . though all of this is happening quite slowly

and I am supplementing otherwise, detoxing, doing Salt/C and using a

lot of other strategies.

>

> Jan VanDenBerg

[Guest guest]

On the other hand, I was taking a small amount of supplement and my hair started

falling out. Heard it was a side effect of selenium toxicity. I stopped the

supplement and the problem stopped. So you are right, it seems important to

measure each person and know what they are low in, rather than just trying

things.

Doris

----- Original Message -----

From: Jan VanDenBerg

I had this experience with Selenium last winter. I have mild CFS symptoms --

recurrent sore throat, fatigue, flu-like symptoms. Last winter I was about the

sickest I have ever been and I decided to get proactive before I get as

seriously ill as some people on this list.

I think it makes sense to be sure we have all the minerals our bodies may need

and especially selenium, reflecting Dr 's theories. I plan to have blood

work done pretty soon to see if I have any remaining insufficiencies I need to

address. Even if I'm replete, I plan to continue to take the mineral

supplements at the daily RDA indefinitely.

[Guest guest]

Actually, we may need to do a more wholistic approach. All of the

minerals and vitamins and amino acids interact. For example, Vitamin

D and Boron, Vitamin D and Calcium, etc.

This week, we've seen a clear illustration of this. Kid has never

reacted (good or bad) with immunepro. She's been off it for 6-9

months, and being doing 4000 IU/D, boron etc for last 3 months....

Started with a cheaper, **chocolate favor** whey exactly one week

ago....

Major improvement in one week ( " 150% better " in the words of a

teenager) including strange bumps suddenly starting to clear that

appeared while under the influence of MarshallProtocol.com. Some

nutrient (mineral, vitamin etc) appear to have been missing which she

now has. Almost amazingly, she has gotten this big improvement with

no apparent herx. Only problem is that she has so much energy that

she is talking our ears off all day long [3 months ago, we were lucky

to get a word an hour out of her).

> On the other hand, I was taking a small amount of supplement and my

hair started falling out. Heard it was a side effect of selenium

toxicity. I stopped the supplement and the problem stopped. So you

are right, it seems important to measure each person and know what

they are low in, rather than just trying things.

> Doris

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Jan VanDenBerg

> I had this experience with Selenium last winter. I have mild CFS

symptoms -- recurrent sore throat, fatigue, flu-like symptoms. Last

winter I was about the sickest I have ever been and I decided to get

proactive before I get as seriously ill as some people on this list.

>

> I think it makes sense to be sure we have all the minerals our

bodies may need and especially selenium, reflecting Dr 's

theories. I plan to have blood work done pretty soon to see if I

have any remaining insufficiencies I need to address. Even if I'm

replete, I plan to continue to take the mineral supplements at the

daily RDA indefinitely.

[Guest guest]

I hope you are back on at least some thyroid med. If it was me, I'd cut out the

selenium and see what happens. You won't lose anything by that tack.I would want

to learn how long it would take for selenium to clear out, too.

If the symptom is worrying, that's one thing, but if when you feel it it is

severe enough to make you feel anxious- it would make me want to see a doc.

Adrienne

Selenium

I posted here that I had tested low in selenium in the past.

For a few days now I have been experiencing what felt like an

irregular heart beat. I stopped my Armour thyroid for a couple of

days, but the heart symptom persisted.

So I began trying to think if there was anything else I had added

recently. There was - 200 mcg of selenium. I looked up what a too

high dose of selenium would do and found this link:

http://www.talkmedical.com/medical-dictionary/12806/Selenosis

" Acute oral exposure to selenium compounds results in pulmonary edema

and lesions of the lung; cardiovascular effects such as tachycardia;

gastrointestinal effects including nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and

abdominal pain; effects on the liver; and neurological effects such

as aches, irritability, chills, and tremors. "

I don't know if my symptoms are being caused by the selenium or not,

but what I thought was a heart symptom actually makes me cough

repeatedly - I guess an irregular heart rhythm would do the same.

I would be interested in any thoughts on this. I also found were

selenium might make more T3 from circulating T4, so I guess this

actually could be a thyroid problem being created by the selenium.

Adding selenium could make my Armour thyroid dose too high.

a Carnes

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discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Hi a. It MAY have to do with the form of selenium you took? 200micrograms

isn't

even close to a high amount (especially if you tested low), but then again you

could be

hypersensitive.

However, you may (with your docs approval) consider trying a brazil nut a day

-- they

have a good deal of selenium in an organic form. I've read elsewhere that

sodium selenate

(which is an inorganic cheapo form) may be toxic. I think Jarrow sells an

organic form of

selenium.....

d.

>

> I posted here that I had tested low in selenium in the past.

>

> For a few days now I have been experiencing what felt like an

> irregular heart beat. I stopped my Armour thyroid for a couple of

> days, but the heart symptom persisted.

>

> So I began trying to think if there was anything else I had added

> recently. There was - 200 mcg of selenium. I looked up what a too

> high dose of selenium would do and found this link:

>

> http://www.talkmedical.com/medical-dictionary/12806/Selenosis

>

> " Acute oral exposure to selenium compounds results in pulmonary edema

> and lesions of the lung; cardiovascular effects such as tachycardia;

> gastrointestinal effects including nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and

> abdominal pain; effects on the liver; and neurological effects such

> as aches, irritability, chills, and tremors. "

>

> I don't know if my symptoms are being caused by the selenium or not,

> but what I thought was a heart symptom actually makes me cough

> repeatedly - I guess an irregular heart rhythm would do the same.

>

> I would be interested in any thoughts on this. I also found were

> selenium might make more T3 from circulating T4, so I guess this

> actually could be a thyroid problem being created by the selenium.

> Adding selenium could make my Armour thyroid dose too high.

>

> a Carnes

>

[Guest guest]

Someone sent me a good suggestion, namely that it could be the

selenium improving my T3 level and making the thyroid dose too high.

But still the dilemma of which to stop. I will probably stop the

selenium for now until my endo can retest me and discuss this.

a

>

> I hope you are back on at least some thyroid med. If it was me, I'd

cut out the selenium and see what happens. You won't lose anything by

that tack.I would want to learn how long it would take for selenium

to clear out, too.

> If the symptom is worrying, that's one thing, but if when you feel

it it is severe enough to make you feel anxious- it would make me

want to see a doc.

> Adrienne

> Selenium

>

>

> I posted here that I had tested low in selenium in the past.

>

> For a few days now I have been experiencing what felt like an

> irregular heart beat. I stopped my Armour thyroid for a couple of

> days, but the heart symptom persisted.

>

> So I began trying to think if there was anything else I had added

> recently. There was - 200 mcg of selenium. I looked up what a too

> high dose of selenium would do and found this link:

>

> http://www.talkmedical.com/medical-dictionary/12806/Selenosis

>

> " Acute oral exposure to selenium compounds results in pulmonary

edema

> and lesions of the lung; cardiovascular effects such as

tachycardia;

> gastrointestinal effects including nausea, vomiting, diarrhea,

and

> abdominal pain; effects on the liver; and neurological effects

such

> as aches, irritability, chills, and tremors. "

>

> I don't know if my symptoms are being caused by the selenium or

not,

> but what I thought was a heart symptom actually makes me cough

> repeatedly - I guess an irregular heart rhythm would do the same.

>

> I would be interested in any thoughts on this. I also found were

> selenium might make more T3 from circulating T4, so I guess this

> actually could be a thyroid problem being created by the

selenium.

> Adding selenium could make my Armour thyroid dose too high.

>

> a Carnes

>

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested

in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

Wow , that's a long time without HIV medication. It would be interesting if taking the Selenium made that possible for you. Are you undetectable too? I'm wondering if by being undetectable my cd4's will increase some more since my immune system doesn't have to fight against a detectable viral load.

>>>>Since your total lymphocytes change daily the percentage is more important than the absolute number. I've been taking 200 mcg of Selenium for 20 years and am not on any HIV medication. My counts are about like yours.

[Guest guest]

Wow , that's a long time without HIV medication. It would be interesting if taking the Selenium made that possible for you. Are you undetectable too? I'm wondering if by being undetectable my cd4's will increase some more since my immune system doesn't have to fight against a detectable viral load.

>>>>Since your total lymphocytes change daily the percentage is more important than the absolute number. I've been taking 200 mcg of Selenium for 20 years and am not on any HIV medication. My counts are about like yours.

[Guest guest]

"Wow , that's a long time without HIV medication. It would be interesting if taking the Selenium made that possible for you. Are you undetectable too? I'm wondering if by being undetectable my cd4's will increase some more since my immune system doesn't have to fight against a detectable viral load."Once again, while the good fortune of an individual patient is a great thing, it can be risky to extrapolate one person's experience to larger populations. Barrowpozbod@...

[Guest guest]

"Wow , that's a long time without HIV medication. It would be interesting if taking the Selenium made that possible for you. Are you undetectable too? I'm wondering if by being undetectable my cd4's will increase some more since my immune system doesn't have to fight against a detectable viral load."Once again, while the good fortune of an individual patient is a great thing, it can be risky to extrapolate one person's experience to larger populations. Barrowpozbod@...

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We’ve just introduced Selenium to Tom and he’s far from great since. Is this the selenium? I wasn’t expecting a reaction. Or should I be looking for another reason?

>>what form is the Selenium? - that can make a difference to some kids

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

The only thing I know with selenium is that too much is toxic and a

sign of too much is putting fingers in the mouth.

Peta-

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> Hi

>

> We've just introduced Selenium to Tom and he's far from great

since. Is this

> the selenium? I wasn't expecting a reaction. Or should I be looking

for

> another reason?

>

> Sara

>

>

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> Re: Re: Adam HELP !

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> the_nost2004@... writes:

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> >>He told us Gluten free diets only work on people who suffer from

coelics

> >>disease and Adam would be VERY Ill

>

> Erm, your son IS VERY ILL WITH AUTISM.

>

>

>

> I'm sure glad I didn't listen to someone like this with my son!

His life

> has turned around completely on biomed - in six months he's gained

2 years

> developmentally. The gluten free, caesin free diet made a huge

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Hi Sara,

Our son did poorly on selenomethionine, very obvious, very quickly!

We switched to sodium selenite by vrp (tasteless liquid) which has

been well tolerated; you have to give it away from vit-c for

absorption. Nutricentre carry it.

Mark

>

> Hi

>

> We've just introduced Selenium to Tom and he's far from great

since. Is this

> the selenium? I wasn't expecting a reaction. Or should I be looking

for

> another reason?

>

> Sara

>

>

>

> Re: Re: Adam HELP !

>

>

>

> In a message dated 26/01/2007 16:31:33 GMT Standard Time,

> the_nost2004@... writes:

>

> >>He told us Gluten free diets only work on people who suffer from

coelics

> >>disease and Adam would be VERY Ill

>

> Erm, your son IS VERY ILL WITH AUTISM.

>

>

>

> I'm sure glad I didn't listen to someone like this with my son!

His life

> has turned around completely on biomed - in six months he's gained

2 years

> developmentally. The gluten free, caesin free diet made a huge

difference

> for him as did other treatments, that's not the case for everyone

but it is

> for us.

>

>

>

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Re: Re: Adam HELP !

>

>

>

> In a message dated 26/01/2007 16:31:33 GMT Standard Time,

> the_nost2004@... writes:

>

> >>He told us Gluten free diets only work on people who suffer from

coelics

> >>disease and Adam would be VERY Ill

>

> Erm, your son IS VERY ILL WITH AUTISM.

>

>

>

> I'm sure glad I didn't listen to someone like this with my son!

His life

> has turned around completely on biomed - in six months he's gained

2 years

> developmentally. The gluten free, caesin free diet made a huge

difference

> for him as did other treatments, that's not the case for everyone

but it is

> for us.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Good question.

The Lowest Adverse Effect Level for selenium for long term use according to the US government is 910 mcg. This is a conservative estimate of a dose where "toxicity may occur rarely, but for some sensitive subgroups it does apply."

Since this is the "lowest" -- 600 mcg is considered to be safe AND recommended for people with HIV by Dr. Will or the University or Alabama. He's a world authority on selenium who has focused on HIV.

I take 650 per day myself to reduce potential for cancers, in general. I studied selenium toxicity a few years ago - before I raised my own dose and saw how they calculate the "lowest adverse effect level." It is QUITE conservative.

Mooney

www.michaelmooney.net

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From: BeardJim@... [mailto:BeardJim@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:57 PMmmooney@...Subject: Re: selenium

I think the researchers from the University of Miami recommended 200 mcg of selenium daily for HIV'ers. Also, I read some where that you can overdo Selenium. Wouldn't 600 mcg be a bit too much?

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