Symptoms

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The book costs less than $8 US for gods sake. But then you need to decide how much your health is worth. You can find them online for $4.The seven days is a good start. Just repeat it for another week or 2. CE Grim MDOn Feb 26, 2010, at 12:15 PM, moseleymand@... wrote:I can't afford to buy the book. Its not in any libruary in essex!I've printed 7 days of the diet off the net. The last week I've tried to do dash myself but its quite difficult and I end up missing out on the other minerals I need I think.Also, I've been a bit worried about eating bananas etc as been brain washed about the candidas and its a massive change in diet.Got my mollassesses too.:)Sent using BlackBerry® from OrangeFrom: lowerbp2 <lowerbp2mac>Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:54:40 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: symptoms You are right. I suspect you are in the classical phase of PA as noted in my article. Have you read it. Take it with you to Bart's.

ONCE AGAIN THE DASH EATING PLAN IS THE PERFECT WAY TO MINIMIZE ALL OF YOUR SYMPTOMS.

IT HAS LOW NA, HI K HI CALCIUM, HI MG

WHAT ABOUT THIS DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. HAVE YOU READ THE BOOK.

YOUR PROBLEMS SOLUTIONS MAY BE JUST AS FAR AWAY AS YOUR DASH DIET BOOK.

PLEASE DO THE 14 DAY CHALLENGE LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDED ON IT AND THEN GET BACK WITH US.

Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

Specializing in Primary Aldosteronism, Difficult High Blood Pressure and recent evolutionary forces on high blood pressure in populations today.

On Friday, February 26, 2010, at 11:21AM, "MandyM" <moseleymandhotmail (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

> I've been reading up on the many symptoms of high na, low k etcLabtests on line included; High NAdry mucus membranes, thirst, decreased urinary out put,Muscle twitching, restlessness, acting irrationally, coma / convulsionsI get every one of the aboveLow kVomitingNauseaWeakness - mentions servere enough to not be able to move arms And legs and crampingTinglingNumbnessAbdominal cramping or bloatingConstipationFast heart ratePassing large amounts of urineFeeling thirstyFainting due to low bpAbnormal psycological behaviorDepressionDelliriumConfusionsHullucinationsI get and have had every one of theseAlso, I think I get parathyroid symptoms I've read that PA can Be connected.I was rushed in hospital last october for a week with tests pointing towardsPancreitis, I was vomiting, dioreah, low bp, shivering, abdominal painI've had one consultant advise me that My calcium was high, showed me calcium was flagged red butOn a differnt test, results were low normal. (Must be my diet I follow Causing fluctuations and disguising the true story. Hyper calacemiaConstipationPsychotic noise (??? Would this mean ears that ring??Bone pain - my hips ache hurt, elbows, feetDepressionAnorexiaNauseaVomitingPancreaitisIncreased urinationsI just wondered how this ties in with PA or can it just be Another symptom of pa affecting other glands?.I get a lot of back ache / pain at times on the right side, I thinkits my kidneys.The more I read the more it really does sound like PA. Some of my symptoms do fluctuatea hell ofA lot more so due to the diet I follow. EG calcium -I don't have hardlyAny on my diet from dairy as it affects me. I try and have salmonSpinach etc instead. Some of the tests I've been for I've eaten a normal dietTo show physcical symptoms. I've had milk, yogurt, chocolate etc...Roll on the 29th of march...can't wait to get these tests done and startTo get better!Sorry to go on, its helping me just to talk to people about it.

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I have just moved into a flat, living on benifits and have just spent my budget on food, so iam very short of money.My health is obviously very important. I sold my car to pay to see an endo privately. Loans I've had as been advised to see all sorts of specialists, so as desperate I paid private to start with. The diet I've been doing was very expensive.So, I am living proof of how rare PA is and how it spirals your life with no diagnosis! Okay, I'm obviously annoying people on here, I won't come back until I have got some results. There is a lack of information for people in the same boat as me, pre diagnosis to talk too.Okay, thanks, tcMandySent using BlackBerry® from OrangeFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2@...>Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:49:19 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: symptoms The book costs less than $8 US for gods sake. But then you need to decide how much your health is worth. You can find them online for $4.The seven days is a good start. Just repeat it for another week or 2. CE Grim MDOn Feb 26, 2010, at 12:15 PM, moseleymandhotmail (DOT) co.uk wrote:I can't afford to buy the book. Its not in any libruary in essex!I've printed 7 days of the diet off the net. The last week I've tried to do dash myself but its quite difficult and I end up missing out on the other minerals I need I think.Also, I've been a bit worried about eating bananas etc as been brain washed about the candidas and its a massive change in diet.Got my mollassesses too.:)Sent using BlackBerry® from OrangeFrom: lowerbp2 <lowerbp2mac>Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:54:40 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: symptoms You are right. I suspect you are in the classical phase of PA as noted in my article. Have you read it. Take it with you to Bart's.ONCE AGAIN THE DASH EATING PLAN IS THE PERFECT WAY TO MINIMIZE ALL OF YOUR SYMPTOMS.IT HAS LOW NA, HI K HI CALCIUM, HI MGWHAT ABOUT THIS DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. HAVE YOU READ THE BOOK.YOUR PROBLEMS SOLUTIONS MAY BE JUST AS FAR AWAY AS YOUR DASH DIET BOOK.PLEASE DO THE 14 DAY CHALLENGE LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDED ON IT AND THEN GET BACK WITH US.Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MDSpecializing in Primary Aldosteronism, Difficult High Blood Pressure and recent evolutionary forces on high blood pressure in populations today.On Friday, February 26, 2010, at 11:21AM, "MandyM" <moseleymandhotmail (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> I've been reading up on the many symptoms of high na, low k etcLabtests on line included; High NAdry mucus membranes, thirst, decreased urinary out put,Muscle twitching, restlessness, acting irrationally, coma / convulsionsI get every one of the aboveLow kVomitingNauseaWeakness - mentions servere enough to not be able to move arms And legs and crampingTinglingNumbnessAbdominal cramping or bloatingConstipationFast heart ratePassing large amounts of urineFeeling thirstyFainting due to low bpAbnormal psycological behaviorDepressionDelliriumConfusionsHullucinationsI get and have had every one of theseAlso, I think I get parathyroid symptoms I've read that PA can Be connected.I was rushed in hospital last october for a week with tests pointing towardsPancreitis, I was vomiting, dioreah, low bp, shivering, abdominal painI've had one consultant advise me that My calcium was high, showed me calcium was flagged red butOn a differnt test, results were low normal. (Must be my diet I follow Causing fluctuations and disguising the true story. Hyper calacemiaConstipationPsychotic noise (??? Would this mean ears that ring??Bone pain - my hips ache hurt, elbows, feetDepressionAnorexiaNauseaVomitingPancreaitisIncreased urinationsI just wondered how this ties in with PA or can it just be Another symptom of pa affecting other glands?.I get a lot of back ache / pain at times on the right side, I thinkits my kidneys.The more I read the more it really does sound like PA. Some of my symptoms do fluctuatea hell ofA lot more so due to the diet I follow. EG calcium -I don't have hardlyAny on my diet from dairy as it affects me. I try and have salmonSpinach etc instead. Some of the tests I've been for I've eaten a normal dietTo show physcical symptoms. I've had milk, yogurt, chocolate etc...Roll on the 29th of march...can't wait to get these tests done and startTo get better!Sorry to go on, its helping me just to talk to people about it.

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I have just moved into a flat, living on benifits and have just spent my budget on food, so iam very short of money.My health is obviously very important. I sold my car to pay to see an endo privately. Loans I've had as been advised to see all sorts of specialists, so as desperate I paid private to start with. The diet I've been doing was very expensive.So, I am living proof of how rare PA is and how it spirals your life with no diagnosis! Okay, I'm obviously annoying people on here, I won't come back until I have got some results. There is a lack of information for people in the same boat as me, pre diagnosis to talk too.Okay, thanks, tcMandySent using BlackBerry® from OrangeFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2@...>Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:49:19 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: symptoms The book costs less than $8 US for gods sake. But then you need to decide how much your health is worth. You can find them online for $4.The seven days is a good start. Just repeat it for another week or 2. CE Grim MDOn Feb 26, 2010, at 12:15 PM, moseleymandhotmail (DOT) co.uk wrote:I can't afford to buy the book. Its not in any libruary in essex!I've printed 7 days of the diet off the net. The last week I've tried to do dash myself but its quite difficult and I end up missing out on the other minerals I need I think.Also, I've been a bit worried about eating bananas etc as been brain washed about the candidas and its a massive change in diet.Got my mollassesses too.:)Sent using BlackBerry® from OrangeFrom: lowerbp2 <lowerbp2mac>Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:54:40 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: symptoms You are right. I suspect you are in the classical phase of PA as noted in my article. Have you read it. Take it with you to Bart's.ONCE AGAIN THE DASH EATING PLAN IS THE PERFECT WAY TO MINIMIZE ALL OF YOUR SYMPTOMS.IT HAS LOW NA, HI K HI CALCIUM, HI MGWHAT ABOUT THIS DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. HAVE YOU READ THE BOOK.YOUR PROBLEMS SOLUTIONS MAY BE JUST AS FAR AWAY AS YOUR DASH DIET BOOK.PLEASE DO THE 14 DAY CHALLENGE LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDED ON IT AND THEN GET BACK WITH US.Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MDSpecializing in Primary Aldosteronism, Difficult High Blood Pressure and recent evolutionary forces on high blood pressure in populations today.On Friday, February 26, 2010, at 11:21AM, "MandyM" <moseleymandhotmail (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> I've been reading up on the many symptoms of high na, low k etcLabtests on line included; High NAdry mucus membranes, thirst, decreased urinary out put,Muscle twitching, restlessness, acting irrationally, coma / convulsionsI get every one of the aboveLow kVomitingNauseaWeakness - mentions servere enough to not be able to move arms And legs and crampingTinglingNumbnessAbdominal cramping or bloatingConstipationFast heart ratePassing large amounts of urineFeeling thirstyFainting due to low bpAbnormal psycological behaviorDepressionDelliriumConfusionsHullucinationsI get and have had every one of theseAlso, I think I get parathyroid symptoms I've read that PA can Be connected.I was rushed in hospital last october for a week with tests pointing towardsPancreitis, I was vomiting, dioreah, low bp, shivering, abdominal painI've had one consultant advise me that My calcium was high, showed me calcium was flagged red butOn a differnt test, results were low normal. (Must be my diet I follow Causing fluctuations and disguising the true story. Hyper calacemiaConstipationPsychotic noise (??? Would this mean ears that ring??Bone pain - my hips ache hurt, elbows, feetDepressionAnorexiaNauseaVomitingPancreaitisIncreased urinationsI just wondered how this ties in with PA or can it just be Another symptom of pa affecting other glands?.I get a lot of back ache / pain at times on the right side, I thinkits my kidneys.The more I read the more it really does sound like PA. Some of my symptoms do fluctuatea hell ofA lot more so due to the diet I follow. EG calcium -I don't have hardlyAny on my diet from dairy as it affects me. I try and have salmonSpinach etc instead. Some of the tests I've been for I've eaten a normal dietTo show physcical symptoms. I've had milk, yogurt, chocolate etc...Roll on the 29th of march...can't wait to get these tests done and startTo get better!Sorry to go on, its helping me just to talk to people about it.

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DASH should be cheap. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Feb 26, 2010, at 11:35 AM, moseleymand@... wrote:

I have just moved into a flat, living on benifits and have just spent my budget on food, so iam very short of money.My health is obviously very important. I sold my car to pay to see an endo privately. Loans I've had as been advised to see all sorts of specialists, so as desperate I paid private to start with. The diet I've been doing was very expensive.So, I am living proof of how rare PA is and how it spirals your life with no diagnosis! Okay, I'm obviously annoying people on here, I won't come back until I have got some results. There is a lack of information for people in the same boat as me, pre diagnosis to talk too.Okay, thanks, tcMandySent using BlackBerry® from OrangeFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>

Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:49:19 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: symptoms

The book costs less than $8 US for gods sake. But then you need to decide how much your health is worth. You can find them online for $4.The seven days is a good start. Just repeat it for another week or 2. CE Grim MDOn Feb 26, 2010, at 12:15 PM, moseleymandhotmail (DOT) co.uk wrote:I can't afford to buy the book. Its not in any libruary in essex!I've printed 7 days of the diet off the net. The last week I've tried to do dash myself but its quite difficult and I end up missing out on the other minerals I need I think.Also, I've been a bit worried about eating bananas etc as been brain washed about the candidas and its a massive change in diet.Got my mollassesses too.:)Sent using BlackBerry® from OrangeFrom: lowerbp2 <lowerbp2mac>Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:54:40 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: symptoms You are right. I suspect you are in the classical phase of PA as noted in my article. Have you read it. Take it with you to Bart's.

ONCE AGAIN THE DASH EATING PLAN IS THE PERFECT WAY TO MINIMIZE ALL OF YOUR SYMPTOMS.

IT HAS LOW NA, HI K HI CALCIUM, HI MG

WHAT ABOUT THIS DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. HAVE YOU READ THE BOOK.

YOUR PROBLEMS SOLUTIONS MAY BE JUST AS FAR AWAY AS YOUR DASH DIET BOOK.

PLEASE DO THE 14 DAY CHALLENGE LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDED ON IT AND THEN GET BACK WITH US.

Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

Specializing in Primary Aldosteronism, Difficult High Blood Pressure and recent evolutionary forces on high blood pressure in populations today.

On Friday, February 26, 2010, at 11:21AM, "MandyM" <moseleymandhotmail (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

> I've been reading up on the many symptoms of high na, low k etcLabtests on line included; High NAdry mucus membranes, thirst, decreased urinary out put,Muscle twitching, restlessness, acting irrationally, coma / convulsionsI get every one of the aboveLow kVomitingNauseaWeakness - mentions servere enough to not be able to move arms And legs and crampingTinglingNumbnessAbdominal cramping or bloatingConstipationFast heart ratePassing large amounts of urineFeeling thirstyFainting due to low bpAbnormal psycological behaviorDepressionDelliriumConfusionsHullucinationsI get and have had every one of theseAlso, I think I get parathyroid symptoms I've read that PA can Be connected.I was rushed in hospital last october for a week with tests pointing towardsPancreitis, I was vomiting, dioreah, low bp, shivering, abdominal painI've had one consultant advise me that My calcium was high, showed me calcium was flagged red butOn a differnt test, results were low normal. (Must be my diet I follow Causing fluctuations and disguising the true story. Hyper calacemiaConstipationPsychotic noise (??? Would this mean ears that ring??Bone pain - my hips ache hurt, elbows, feetDepressionAnorexiaNauseaVomitingPancreaitisIncreased urinationsI just wondered how this ties in with PA or can it just be Another symptom of pa affecting other glands?.I get a lot of back ache / pain at times on the right side, I thinkits my kidneys.The more I read the more it really does sound like PA. Some of my symptoms do fluctuatea hell ofA lot more so due to the diet I follow. EG calcium -I don't have hardlyAny on my diet from dairy as it affects me. I try and have salmonSpinach etc instead. Some of the tests I've been for I've eaten a normal dietTo show physcical symptoms. I've had milk, yogurt, chocolate etc...Roll on the 29th of march...can't wait to get these tests done and startTo get better!Sorry to go on, its helping me just to talk to people about it.

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DASH should be cheap. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Feb 26, 2010, at 11:35 AM, moseleymand@... wrote:

I have just moved into a flat, living on benifits and have just spent my budget on food, so iam very short of money.My health is obviously very important. I sold my car to pay to see an endo privately. Loans I've had as been advised to see all sorts of specialists, so as desperate I paid private to start with. The diet I've been doing was very expensive.So, I am living proof of how rare PA is and how it spirals your life with no diagnosis! Okay, I'm obviously annoying people on here, I won't come back until I have got some results. There is a lack of information for people in the same boat as me, pre diagnosis to talk too.Okay, thanks, tcMandySent using BlackBerry® from OrangeFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>

Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:49:19 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: symptoms

The book costs less than $8 US for gods sake. But then you need to decide how much your health is worth. You can find them online for $4.The seven days is a good start. Just repeat it for another week or 2. CE Grim MDOn Feb 26, 2010, at 12:15 PM, moseleymandhotmail (DOT) co.uk wrote:I can't afford to buy the book. Its not in any libruary in essex!I've printed 7 days of the diet off the net. The last week I've tried to do dash myself but its quite difficult and I end up missing out on the other minerals I need I think.Also, I've been a bit worried about eating bananas etc as been brain washed about the candidas and its a massive change in diet.Got my mollassesses too.:)Sent using BlackBerry® from OrangeFrom: lowerbp2 <lowerbp2mac>Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:54:40 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: symptoms You are right. I suspect you are in the classical phase of PA as noted in my article. Have you read it. Take it with you to Bart's.

ONCE AGAIN THE DASH EATING PLAN IS THE PERFECT WAY TO MINIMIZE ALL OF YOUR SYMPTOMS.

IT HAS LOW NA, HI K HI CALCIUM, HI MG

WHAT ABOUT THIS DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. HAVE YOU READ THE BOOK.

YOUR PROBLEMS SOLUTIONS MAY BE JUST AS FAR AWAY AS YOUR DASH DIET BOOK.

PLEASE DO THE 14 DAY CHALLENGE LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDED ON IT AND THEN GET BACK WITH US.

Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

Specializing in Primary Aldosteronism, Difficult High Blood Pressure and recent evolutionary forces on high blood pressure in populations today.

On Friday, February 26, 2010, at 11:21AM, "MandyM" <moseleymandhotmail (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

> I've been reading up on the many symptoms of high na, low k etcLabtests on line included; High NAdry mucus membranes, thirst, decreased urinary out put,Muscle twitching, restlessness, acting irrationally, coma / convulsionsI get every one of the aboveLow kVomitingNauseaWeakness - mentions servere enough to not be able to move arms And legs and crampingTinglingNumbnessAbdominal cramping or bloatingConstipationFast heart ratePassing large amounts of urineFeeling thirstyFainting due to low bpAbnormal psycological behaviorDepressionDelliriumConfusionsHullucinationsI get and have had every one of theseAlso, I think I get parathyroid symptoms I've read that PA can Be connected.I was rushed in hospital last october for a week with tests pointing towardsPancreitis, I was vomiting, dioreah, low bp, shivering, abdominal painI've had one consultant advise me that My calcium was high, showed me calcium was flagged red butOn a differnt test, results were low normal. (Must be my diet I follow Causing fluctuations and disguising the true story. Hyper calacemiaConstipationPsychotic noise (??? Would this mean ears that ring??Bone pain - my hips ache hurt, elbows, feetDepressionAnorexiaNauseaVomitingPancreaitisIncreased urinationsI just wondered how this ties in with PA or can it just be Another symptom of pa affecting other glands?.I get a lot of back ache / pain at times on the right side, I thinkits my kidneys.The more I read the more it really does sound like PA. Some of my symptoms do fluctuatea hell ofA lot more so due to the diet I follow. EG calcium -I don't have hardlyAny on my diet from dairy as it affects me. I try and have salmonSpinach etc instead. Some of the tests I've been for I've eaten a normal dietTo show physcical symptoms. I've had milk, yogurt, chocolate etc...Roll on the 29th of march...can't wait to get these tests done and startTo get better!Sorry to go on, its helping me just to talk to people about it.

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Yes, its going to be much cheaper than low carb I was having to have more eggs, chicken, fish. I rarely fried any thing accept stir - fry and ate beans and pulses for fibre / carb/protein (but not complex carbs).And veggies but not carrotts, corn I notice an affect on my blood sugars with these foods.Butter beans are my favourite, they are good for lowering cholesterol aswell. No reason I can't include them still, as long as no salt, sugar added if buying tinned.I'm looking forward to it but hope the bread don't make me ill. I've always had salt before so trying bread but dashing, it should hopefully be a different story this time! Sent using BlackBerry® from OrangeFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2@...>Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:31:02 -0800hyperaldosteronism <hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: symptoms DASH should be cheap. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Feb 26, 2010, at 11:35 AM, moseleymandhotmail (DOT) co.uk wrote: I have just moved into a flat, living on benifits and have just spent my budget on food, so iam very short of money.My health is obviously very important. I sold my car to pay to see an endo privately. Loans I've had as been advised to see all sorts of specialists, so as desperate I paid private to start with. The diet I've been doing was very expensive.So, I am living proof of how rare PA is and how it spirals your life with no diagnosis! Okay, I'm obviously annoying people on here, I won't come back until I have got some results. There is a lack of information for people in the same boat as me, pre diagnosis to talk too.Okay, thanks, tcMandySent using BlackBerry® from OrangeFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:49:19 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: symptoms The book costs less than $8 US for gods sake. But then you need to decide how much your health is worth. You can find them online for $4.The seven days is a good start. Just repeat it for another week or 2. CE Grim MDOn Feb 26, 2010, at 12:15 PM, moseleymandhotmail (DOT) co.uk wrote:I can't afford to buy the book. Its not in any libruary in essex!I've printed 7 days of the diet off the net. The last week I've tried to do dash myself but its quite difficult and I end up missing out on the other minerals I need I think.Also, I've been a bit worried about eating bananas etc as been brain washed about the candidas and its a massive change in diet.Got my mollassesses too.:)Sent using BlackBerry® from OrangeFrom: lowerbp2 <lowerbp2mac>Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:54:40 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: symptoms You are right. I suspect you are in the classical phase of PA as noted in my article. Have you read it. Take it with you to Bart's.ONCE AGAIN THE DASH EATING PLAN IS THE PERFECT WAY TO MINIMIZE ALL OF YOUR SYMPTOMS.IT HAS LOW NA, HI K HI CALCIUM, HI MGWHAT ABOUT THIS DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. HAVE YOU READ THE BOOK.YOUR PROBLEMS SOLUTIONS MAY BE JUST AS FAR AWAY AS YOUR DASH DIET BOOK.PLEASE DO THE 14 DAY CHALLENGE LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDED ON IT AND THEN GET BACK WITH US.Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MDSpecializing in Primary Aldosteronism, Difficult High Blood Pressure and recent evolutionary forces on high blood pressure in populations today.On Friday, February 26, 2010, at 11:21AM, "MandyM" <moseleymandhotmail (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> I've been reading up on the many symptoms of high na, low k etcLabtests on line included; High NAdry mucus membranes, thirst, decreased urinary out put,Muscle twitching, restlessness, acting irrationally, coma / convulsionsI get every one of the aboveLow kVomitingNauseaWeakness - mentions servere enough to not be able to move arms And legs and crampingTinglingNumbnessAbdominal cramping or bloatingConstipationFast heart ratePassing large amounts of urineFeeling thirstyFainting due to low bpAbnormal psycological behaviorDepressionDelliriumConfusionsHullucinationsI get and have had every one of theseAlso, I think I get parathyroid symptoms I've read that PA can Be connected.I was rushed in hospital last october for a week with tests pointing towardsPancreitis, I was vomiting, dioreah, low bp, shivering, abdominal painI've had one consultant advise me that My calcium was high, showed me calcium was flagged red butOn a differnt test, results were low normal. (Must be my diet I follow Causing fluctuations and disguising the true story. Hyper calacemiaConstipationPsychotic noise (??? Would this mean ears that ring??Bone pain - my hips ache hurt, elbows, feetDepressionAnorexiaNauseaVomitingPancreaitisIncreased urinationsI just wondered how this ties in with PA or can it just be Another symptom of pa affecting other glands?.I get a lot of back ache / pain at times on the right side, I thinkits my kidneys.The more I read the more it really does sound like PA. Some of my symptoms do fluctuatea hell ofA lot more so due to the diet I follow. EG calcium -I don't have hardlyAny on my diet from dairy as it affects me. I try and have salmonSpinach etc instead. Some of the tests I've been for I've eaten a normal dietTo show physcical symptoms. I've had milk, yogurt, chocolate etc...Roll on the 29th of march...can't wait to get these tests done and startTo get better!Sorry to go on, its helping me just to talk to people about it.

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You need to check the salt content of tinned anything.CEGOn Feb 26, 2010, at 5:54 PM, moseleymand@... wrote:

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You need to check the salt content of tinned anything.CEGOn Feb 26, 2010, at 5:54 PM, moseleymand@... wrote:

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Does anyone know - should I call an entomologist or is there some other

specialist I should contact? I don't know what else to do and although this rash

is driving me completely nuts...I cannot bear to see it on my children anymore.

If anyone has had something like this please either post or e-mail me

langfordfarms at gmail dot com

I really need help.

>

> Could someone tell me what the symptoms of bird or rodent mites are?? I keep

hearing people talk about " bites " and the only time I feel anything like that is

in the car...nothing like that from my clothes or house. We had a hive like rash

that would start on one side of our bodies and spread to the exact same spot on

the other side of our body (sides of hips, backs of arms, chest and back, etc)

After two doses of Premethrin it went away for about a week - then two of my

children had patches of the hive like rash and then it went away. My other

daughter and myself just feel things crawling everywhere. Then I started getting

a rash again on one hip (then it spread to the other hip), backs of my arms,

etc. It itched so bad last night that I couldn't sleep. I'm starting to freak

out because I have been doing the A & H soaks this week, along with two doses of

Premethrin, and one of Ivermectin. What else is there to do?? Can someone else

tell me if they had a rash like this and what worked for them?? I'm losing it

right now... My eight year old has this rash all over her face as of last night

and I have no idea what to do. Please help.

>

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Les Spray environment car included with cedar or orange guard. If you can

afford it buy the tri jet fogger.

http://www.orangeguard.com/

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Treat yard if possible.

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Wash clothes with fels-naptha borax, wash soda and enzyme. You can also add

cedarcide to wash. Change clothes everyday, laundry every day if possible. Spray

bedding with wintergreen alcohol or cedar. Change bedding at least every other

day while infested infected. Cover mattress box springs with vinyl cover.

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http://www.amazon.com/NATURALLY-Eliminator-Treatment-Non-Toxic-Ecologically/dp/B\

000HLQ84E

For your body take MSM internally MMS baths, and I personally took MMS

internally to, this is controversial read and make an informed decision for

yourself. Take sole so-lay daily. Do oil pulls daily. Take Vit C in a 2 hour

window of MMS, E D3 Magnesium, Bio Plasma Cell Salts or Foods, flaxseed oil and

psyllium husk.

http://www.msm-info.com/

http://jimhumble.biz/

http://www.malaria01.org/

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/health-library/master/barbara-hendel-himalayan-cr\

ystal-salt.htmlhttp://www.oilpulling.com/

http://vitanetonline.com/forums/1/Thread/725

http://www.herbalremediesinfo.com/cell-salts.html

http://cellfood.contactplus.com/

If you decide to take the MMS1 internally here is a recipe I use daily for

prevention, however if still sick and infested I would take the aggressive

treatment. If you focus on one thing first if it were me now this is what I

would start first.

http://www.cancertutor.com/faq/faq_MSM.html

Dust all cracks and wall voids, I even drilled small holes and dusted each wall

void.

http://store.doyourownpestcontrol.com/category.aspx?iid=45

http://www.thepestdepot.com/eacrinduande.html

I know this is all overbearing and I am sure I have missed something take one

day at a time, write if you have more questions. This will take you to your

knees detoxing please be patient with yourself. Good Luck

>

> Could someone tell me what the symptoms of bird or rodent mites are?? I keep

hearing people talk about " bites " and the only time I feel anything like that is

in the car...nothing like that from my clothes or house. We had a hive like rash

that would start on one side of our bodies and spread to the exact same spot on

the other side of our body (sides of hips, backs of arms, chest and back, etc)

After two doses of Premethrin it went away for about a week - then two of my

children had patches of the hive like rash and then it went away. My other

daughter and myself just feel things crawling everywhere. Then I started getting

a rash again on one hip (then it spread to the other hip), backs of my arms,

etc. It itched so bad last night that I couldn't sleep. I'm starting to freak

out because I have been doing the A & H soaks this week, along with two doses of

Premethrin, and one of Ivermectin. What else is there to do?? Can someone else

tell me if they had a rash like this and what worked for them?? I'm losing it

right now... My eight year old has this rash all over her face as of last night

and I have no idea what to do. Please help.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lee

This mix stops the rash & itch in 10 mins .

http://www.earthclinic.com/Pets/dog_mange_cure.html

The mix:

2 tblspns borax (20 mule team Borax laundry booster

16 oz peroxide (3%)

32 oz water.

mix it , and the borax nuetralizes the peroxide, its painless , feels like

water.

Apply top of head to toes , leave on till next bath , it leaves invisible

residue of the borax . It heals cuts & lesions fast, try to keep out of the eye

ball, it stings a little .

I use it all the time .

The hazard is it affects kidney after weeks & weeks of use . Taper off patient

by diluting mix w/ more water & switchhing to epsom salts 2 tbls in mix after 2

weeks. & keep treating with

36 oz of water

a 1 cup epsom salts for 1 month after weekly bath . It wil leave a protective

coat .

read the link above , it explains it , the math they speak of for the mix is

hard to figure out , but I did & it is as I staed above , it says it dosent

really matter about the concentrations , just mix it & use it , now,

It wil save the dogs coat & skin & peoples too : ) it stops mosquito bites

from itching too amazing , the peroxide makes the borax penetrate into the skin

very effectivly.

I have had this bug , I leaves rashes & bites like a pierce somtimes , it

spreads i , this bug is a meanace , it dosent bite everyone , it is a rat mite

of a sort , I don't think it is easy to determine which rat mite sort it is,

exterminators are un educated in it & so are most Doctors , it vectors strange

infections , & likes to mimic duplicate bites on each hand or wahtever ...it is

so strange . , it gets into cars & seats ,

Borax 1/2 cup per 3 galoons soak it out of the skin , (2) 30 min long soaks per

day for 1-6 weeks . Taper off afer 1 week to half epom salts & half borax , it

has worked gor me everytime . I keep picking it back up from the park or the

dock or other people friends that caught it somwhere . I kill it every time I

fell it withthe perocide / borax / water mix, I keep a bottle of it ( the

peroxide mix ) in a hand sanitizer bollt in my pocket , I apply every time I

feel a bite , it kill sit quick , I never scratch open the skin it make more

entry points for infection

I nuke the car with 1 cup spic & span & 1 cup borax & 1 gallon of water in a

chapin brand garden sprayer from Ace hardware , I soak the seat & carpets like

it is garden furniture, then dry with an indestructible vidal sasson hair

dryer from the dollar store on the floor for 12 hrs . Then I use a & h carpet

fresh for 12 hrs then, vac it out & cover the seats with a plastic dollar store

9'X12' tarp & tie it in the back of the seat with a bow knot . It works . I

change plastic every day if needs be . Attrition : the act of reducing the

poulation daily untill there is none , keep at it , it is a bug it will die

I spray this mix lightly on anywhere I think bugs are m it arrests them

instantly & poisons them , it never bothers me though

48 oz hot water

1/2 cup borax ( to poison there digestive tract )

1/2 epsom salts ( to dry like a glaze on them locking them in a tomb, also acts

as a repelant )

2 tbls coconut oil ( to make them get stuck in the oil film , like a pelican in

the gulf oils spill ) ( buy it from the grocery next to the olive oil )

This is a bug , kill it it will die

Baths with lots of bubble drowns it on the skin , a fogger with the above mix (

borax epsom coconut water ) in it will kill them in the house , I used to fog

every 3 days for a month each room , it killed them . It is a process ,

Foggers : $200.00 best thing I ever bought www.cedarcide.com ( or .org ? )

I boil all my clothes

I sleep on an air matress on a wood floor that has been misted with the above

mix ( borax epsom cococnut water ) , I spraye the cieling to , they are

spiders, they never bite me while I sleep .in the am I deflate the air matress

, roll up & put it in a 5 gallon bucket with 1/2- 1 cup of arm & hammer powdered

laundry soap. It kills them .

God bless you ,

Bill

ps this is the place to come for answers almost everybody has been cured here.

It can take a little time , it is if there is an ant infestation , you have to

keep poisoning them

pss sulfur creme is safe for infants

I mix it in a small opaque dish soap bottle

1 teasp

1 teasp coconut oil

then shake for 20 seconds

8 teap any hand creme

shake for 20 seconds

apply top of head to toe & leave on till next shower , it stops the itch in 10

mins also. It dries the skin a little so I used to take a bubble bath to let my

skin soap up moisture .

Buy humco flowers of sulfur sublimed at

www.americarx.com ($12.00

pss awesome sit of a very smart family that whipped it in 2 months, please read

it it will comfort you a lot

http://www.shanspirations.org/?p=112

bye again ,

Bill

On Sat Aug 14th, 2010 8:48 AM EDT les_lee77 wrote:

> Does anyone know - should I call an entomologist or is there some other

specialist I should contact? I don't know what else to do and although this rash

is driving me completely nuts...I cannot bear to see it on my children anymore.

If anyone has had something like this please either post or e-mail me

langfordfarms at gmail dot com

>

> I really need help.

>

>

>>

>> Could someone tell me what the symptoms of bird or rodent mites are?? I keep

hearing people talk about " bites " and the only time I feel anything like that is

in the car...nothing like that from my clothes or house. We had a hive like rash

that would start on one side of our bodies and spread to the exact same spot on

the other side of our body (sides of hips, backs of arms, chest and back, etc)

After two doses of Premethrin it went away for about a week - then two of my

children had patches of the hive like rash and then it went away. My other

daughter and myself just feel things crawling everywhere. Then I started getting

a rash again on one hip (then it spread to the other hip), backs of my arms,

etc. It itched so bad last night that I couldn't sleep. I'm starting to freak

out because I have been doing the A & H soaks this week, along with two doses of

Premethrin, and one of Ivermectin. What else is there to do?? Can someone else

tell me if they had

a rash like this and what worked for them?? I'm losing it right now... My eight

year old has this rash all over her face as of last night and I have no idea

what to do. Please help.

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

if you have not already seen an MD, then please see a dermatologist or MD to

look at the rash on all of you. The first dermatologist we saw ID'ed are bites

as bird or rodent mites and that's how we knew to look for a nest and for rodent

activity.

Since your kids are being affected it is sooo important.

z3

>

> Could someone tell me what the symptoms of bird or rodent mites are?? I keep

hearing people talk about " bites " and the only time I feel anything like that is

in the car...nothing like that from my clothes or house. We had a hive like rash

that would start on one side of our bodies and spread to the exact same spot on

the other side of our body (sides of hips, backs of arms, chest and back, etc)

After two doses of Premethrin it went away for about a week - then two of my

children had patches of the hive like rash and then it went away. My other

daughter and myself just feel things crawling everywhere. Then I started getting

a rash again on one hip (then it spread to the other hip), backs of my arms,

etc. It itched so bad last night that I couldn't sleep. I'm starting to freak

out because I have been doing the A & H soaks this week, along with two doses of

Premethrin, and one of Ivermectin. What else is there to do?? Can someone else

tell me if they had a rash like this and what worked for them?? I'm losing it

right now... My eight year old has this rash all over her face as of last night

and I have no idea what to do. Please help.

>

[Guest guest]

If like here and it takes weeks or months to see a dermatologist, if it is mites

you will have hundreds more by the time you get a diagnosis. Do you see insects?

Make a homemade glue trap or buy some, see if there are bugs. Check for birds

nest, rodent droppings. If you find insects on traps take to local extension

office and have identified.

http://www.cleanertoday.com/Spider-traps-s/86.htm

http://pestcemetery.com/making-glue-traps/

http://www.csrees.usda.gov/Extension/

> > >

> > > Could someone tell me what the symptoms of bird or rodent mites are?? I

keep hearing people talk about " bites " and the only time I feel anything like

that is in the car...nothing like that from my clothes or house. We had a hive

like rash that would start on one side of our bodies and spread to the exact

same spot on the other side of our body (sides of hips, backs of arms, chest and

back, etc) After two doses of Premethrin it went away for about a week - then

two of my children had patches of the hive like rash and then it went away. My

other daughter and myself just feel things crawling everywhere. Then I started

getting a rash again on one hip (then it spread to the other hip), backs of my

arms, etc. It itched so bad last night that I couldn't sleep. I'm starting to

freak out because I have been doing the A & H soaks this week, along with two

doses of Premethrin, and one of Ivermectin. What else is there to do?? Can

someone else tell me if they had a rash like this and what worked for them?? I'm

losing it right now... My eight year old has this rash all over her face as of

last night and I have no idea what to do. Please help.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Still agree with Zoe, see a dermatologist. But in the meantime see if you find

any creatures, or insects. Sometimes my post seem contrastive, sorry everyone.

> > > >

> > > > Could someone tell me what the symptoms of bird or rodent mites are?? I

keep hearing people talk about " bites " and the only time I feel anything like

that is in the car...nothing like that from my clothes or house. We had a hive

like rash that would start on one side of our bodies and spread to the exact

same spot on the other side of our body (sides of hips, backs of arms, chest and

back, etc) After two doses of Premethrin it went away for about a week - then

two of my children had patches of the hive like rash and then it went away. My

other daughter and myself just feel things crawling everywhere. Then I started

getting a rash again on one hip (then it spread to the other hip), backs of my

arms, etc. It itched so bad last night that I couldn't sleep. I'm starting to

freak out because I have been doing the A & H soaks this week, along with two

doses of Premethrin, and one of Ivermectin. What else is there to do?? Can

someone else tell me if they had a rash like this and what worked for them?? I'm

losing it right now... My eight year old has this rash all over her face as of

last night and I have no idea what to do. Please help.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have had this since Feb. I have been to three different doctors many times

and nothing prescribed even helped a little. I then went ot the dermatoligst

with one of my children and he diagnosed us as having " a mite " . He prescribed

premethrin - it went away for about a week. When it came back it will not

respond to premethrin at all.

> >

> > Could someone tell me what the symptoms of bird or rodent mites are?? I

keep hearing people talk about " bites " and the only time I feel anything like

that is in the car...nothing like that from my clothes or house. We had a hive

like rash that would start on one side of our bodies and spread to the exact

same spot on the other side of our body (sides of hips, backs of arms, chest and

back, etc) After two doses of Premethrin it went away for about a week - then

two of my children had patches of the hive like rash and then it went away. My

other daughter and myself just feel things crawling everywhere. Then I started

getting a rash again on one hip (then it spread to the other hip), backs of my

arms, etc. It itched so bad last night that I couldn't sleep. I'm starting to

freak out because I have been doing the A & H soaks this week, along with two

doses of Premethrin, and one of Ivermectin. What else is there to do?? Can

someone else tell me if they had a rash like this and what worked for them?? I'm

losing it right now... My eight year old has this rash all over her face as of

last night and I have no idea what to do. Please help.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'd like to but I can't cuz we are fearful of what would happen with us at work,

etc... if people heard the full extent of our situation. We both have very high

profile professional positions. People may not want to come to my office

anymore, etc...

z3

> > >

> > > Could someone tell me what the symptoms of bird or rodent mites are?? I

keep hearing people talk about " bites " and the only time I feel anything like

that is in the car...nothing like that from my clothes or house. We had a hive

like rash that would start on one side of our bodies and spread to the exact

same spot on the other side of our body (sides of hips, backs of arms, chest and

back, etc) After two doses of Premethrin it went away for about a week - then

two of my children had patches of the hive like rash and then it went away. My

other daughter and myself just feel things crawling everywhere. Then I started

getting a rash again on one hip (then it spread to the other hip), backs of my

arms, etc. It itched so bad last night that I couldn't sleep. I'm starting to

freak out because I have been doing the A & H soaks this week, along with two

doses of Premethrin, and one of Ivermectin. What else is there to do?? Can

someone else tell me if they had a rash like this and what worked for them?? I'm

losing it right now... My eight year old has this rash all over her face as of

last night and I have no idea what to do. Please help.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The rash could be caused by an allergic response to whatever is on you. The

crawling sensation certainly does sound like a bird mites. Do you ever get

prickles, cuz that is what the mite bites feel like to us. Our mites require a

microscope to see, on HIGH magnification. You may have a bacteria or fungal

infection from the mites that the MD diagnosed and treated w/permethrin. That

would also explain the rashes as well.

There are also websites called 'BirdMite.org' which has lots of helpful info

about birdmite symptoms and treatment. There is also 'Mr common sense' and

'Herbal Healer' and 'How I cured Morgellon's' which all may help you with more

info...

Here are some things which MAY be slowly helping me, as I am better now than I

was a few months ago. Still not near 100% cured:

1) Straight vinegar sprayed on the skin and left there for 10 minutes before

daily shower.

2) Scrubbing entire body with the ESP Botanical Sulfur soap 1-2 times per day

with a srub brush

3) Washing all clothes with BioKleen Plus on high heat and ironing everything

possible

4) Cleaning all the surfaces of your environment with vinegar (mixed with a

third hydrogen Peroxide when possible) and washing that away with orange plus

cleaner from Ecos

5) Happy Tummy colon cleanse for the first 10 days of each month.

6) Fungal Defense, Primal Defense, and Cat's Claw Defense Complex each day as

directed on bottles

7) 2-person IR sauna 1 hr a day as hot as I can take it (usually 125-130 as I'm

a wimp)

8) Ca-Mag

9) Steri Fab has also helped in our environment

10) 100 other things... possibly. It is EXHAUSTING just to think about all we

have done and all we keep doing to solve this mite-mare!!!!!!!

Let me know if you figure out more about what is bugging you and how to cure it,

as it will help me and others on this site as well.

z3

> > >

> > > Could someone tell me what the symptoms of bird or rodent mites are?? I

keep hearing people talk about " bites " and the only time I feel anything like

that is in the car...nothing like that from my clothes or house. We had a hive

like rash that would start on one side of our bodies and spread to the exact

same spot on the other side of our body (sides of hips, backs of arms, chest and

back, etc) After two doses of Premethrin it went away for about a week - then

two of my children had patches of the hive like rash and then it went away. My

other daughter and myself just feel things crawling everywhere. Then I started

getting a rash again on one hip (then it spread to the other hip), backs of my

arms, etc. It itched so bad last night that I couldn't sleep. I'm starting to

freak out because I have been doing the A & H soaks this week, along with two

doses of Premethrin, and one of Ivermectin. What else is there to do?? Can

someone else tell me if they had a rash like this and what worked for them?? I'm

losing it right now... My eight year old has this rash all over her face as of

last night and I have no idea what to do. Please help.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Carolyn can you remind us what drugs, hormones and supplements you are taking

and any recent labs?

I find it helps to write everything down when you change or start a new process.

I carried a Jotter Pad around with me when I had adrenal fatigue to record

everything I was feeling and doing. Whenever something went crazy, I always had

something to refer back to...

Cheers,

JOT

> Please can someone explain to me how I can have energy for one day and then be

exhausted for weeks? I am really down about this as on my good DAY I feel normal

but am really dibalated for most of my life.

>

> thanks

> Carolyn

>

[Guest guest]

Check out the following Carolyn and go through this with a fine

tooth comb to find if it is any of these associated conditions that is going

alongside your hypothyroidism. We have to go through each of these by way of a

process of elimination. You must leave nothing unturned.

The main condition responsible for stopping thyroid hormone from

working is, quite simply, a patient’s thyroxine dose is too low because

the doctor or consultant refuses to increase it, because the serum thyroid

function test results appear OK. Sometimes, the thyroxine dose is too high, yet

patients still don't feel well. They continue to suffer. Some reasons

for this:

They may be suffering with low adrenal reserve. The production

of T4, its conversion to T3, and the receptor uptake requires a normal amount

of adrenal hormones, notably, of course, cortisone. (Excess cortisone can shut

production down, however.) This is what happens if the adrenals are not

responding properly, and provision of cortisone usually switches it on

again. But sometimes it doesn’t. If the illness has been

going on for a long time, the enzyme seems to fail. This conversion

failure (inexplicably denied by many endocrinologists) means the thyroxine

builds up, unconverted. So it doesn’t work, and T4 toxicosis

results. This makes the patient feel quite unwell, toxic, often with

palpitations and chest pain. If provision of adrenal support doesn’t

remedy the situation, the final solution is the use of the active thyroid

hormone, already converted, T3 - either synthetic or natural.

Then, we have systemic candidiasis. This is where candida

albicans, yeast, which causes skin infections almost anywhere in the body,

invades the lining of the lower part of the small intestine and the large

intestine. Here, the candida sets up residence in the warmth and the

dark, and demands to be fed. Loving sugars and starches, candida can make

you suffer terrible sweet cravings. Candida can produce toxins which can

cause very many symptoms of exhaustion, headache, general illness, and which

interfere with the uptake of thyroid and adrenal treatment. Sometimes the

levels - which we usually test for - can be very high, and make successful treatment

difficult to achieve until adequately treated.

Then there is receptor resistance which could be a culprit. Being

hypothyroid for some considerable time may mean the biochemical mechanisms

which permit the binding of T3 to the receptors, is downgraded - so the T3

won’t go in. With slow build up of T3, with full adrenal support

and adequate vitamins and minerals, the receptors do come on line again.

But this can be quite a slow process, and care has to be taken to build the

dose up gradually.

And then there are Food allergies. The most common food allergy

is allergy to gluten, the protein fraction of wheat. The antibody generated by

the body, by a process of molecular mimicry, cross reacts with the

thyroperoxidase enzyme, (which makes thyroxine) and shuts it down. So

allergy to bread can make you hypothyroid. There may be other food allergies

with this kind of effect, but information on these is scanty. Certainly

allergic response to certain foods can affect adrenal function and imperil

thyroid production and uptake.

Then we have hormone imbalances. The whole of the endocrine

system is linked; each part of it needs the other parts to be operating

normally to work properly. An example of this we have seen already, with

cortisone. But another example is the operation of sex hormones.

The imbalance that occurs at the menopause with progesterone running down, and

a relative dominance of oestrogen is a further case in point – oestrogen

dominance downgrades production, transportation and uptake of thyroid

hormones. This is why hypothyroidism may first appear at the menopause;

the symptoms ascribed to this alone, which is then treated – often with

extra oestrogen, making the whole thing worse. Deficiency in progesterone

most especially needs to be dealt with, since it reverses oestrogen dominance,

improves many menopausal symptoms like sweats and mood swings, and reverses

osteoporosis. Happily natural progesterone cream is easily obtained: when

used it has the added benefit of helping to stabilise adrenal function.

Then, we must never forget the possibility of mercury poisoning

(through amalgam fillings) - low levels of iron, transferring saturation%,

ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper and zinc - all of

which, if low, stop the thyroid hormone from being utilised by the cells -

these have to be treated.

As Dr Peatfield says " When you have been quite unwell for a

long time, all these problems have to be dealt with; and since each may affect

the other, it all has to be done rather carefully.

Contrary to cherished beliefs by much of the medical

establishment, the correction of a thyroid deficiency state has a number of

complexities and variables, which make the treatment usually quite specific for

each person. The balancing of these variables is as much up to you as to

me – which is why a check of morning, day and evening temperatures and

pulse rates, together with symptoms, good and bad, can be so helpful.

Many of you have been ill for a long time, either because you

have not been diagnosed, or the treatment leaves you still quite unwell.

Those of you who have relatively mild hypothyroidism, and have been diagnosed

relatively quickly, may well respond to synthetic thyroxine, the standard

treatment

For many of you, the outstanding problem is not that the

diagnosis has not been made – although, extraordinarily, this is

disgracefully common – but that is has, and the thyroxine treatment

doesn’t work. The dose has been altered up and down, and clinical

improvement is variable and doesn’t last, in spite of blood tests, which

say you are perfectly all right (and therefore you are actually depressed and

need this fine antidepressant).

The above problems must be eliminated if thyroid hormone isn't

working for you.

Luv - Sheila

Please can someone explain to me how I can have

energy for one day and then be exhausted for weeks? I am really down about this

as on my good DAY I feel normal but am really dibalated for most of my life.

thanks

Carolyn

[Guest guest]

Hi Carolyn

Sorry to hear you are feeling so unwell.

I think you posted recently that you were on 60mg of Erfa - why did you change

to T3, were you not doing well on the Erfa?

Please can you advise what amount of T3 you are taking and how often. I have

found that T3 can be hard on the adrenals.

Do you know you need T3? Did you try T4 before Erfa? Most people seem to do ok

on T4?

One member here - - has written about taking his T3 early in the morning, I

think sometime between 4-6 am, and this seems to help the adrenal glands with

their cortisol production. Other people have reported this helps, too. Sorry

that is not doing justice to 's protocol as I am not very familiar with it

but other members may be able to help more by sharing their experiences.

Do you feel worse on T3 only than you did on Erfa?

Are these symptoms -including the sweating - worse on T3?

Have you done the hertoghe questionnaire in the files? What does that show?

thyroid treatment/files/MEDICAL%20QUES\

TIONNAIRES/

do you have any blood or saliva or urine tests?

do you have any other symptoms other than what you've listed?

chris

>

> I wonder can anyone help me as I am feeling pretty bad. I am taking NAE along

with selinum and T3.I have been following this regime for a

[Guest guest]

How much T3 are you taking Carolyn? For the moment, try cutting

it back by decreasing your dose by 10mcgs (or 12.5mcgs whatever brand you are

using) and see how you feel then.

Luv - Sheila

I wonder can anyone help me as I am feeling

pretty bad. I am taking NAE along with selinum and T3.I have been following

this regime for a couple of weeks now and although I used to have really bad

night sweats now these are getting worse and are continuing through out the day

and are getting so bad I am staying in as much as possible as poeple are

noticing these and I am feeling strange when these occur. Also I have bad back

and groin pain, and palpitations. My energy levels are low andhave been for a long

time now, any advice and ideas as to what could be wrong will be very welcome.

I am seeing Dr.P in Feb.2012.

[Guest guest]

Carolyn's response to me (i think you clicked on the wrong button, Carolyn)

From: Carolyn <

Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011, 1:36

Subject: Re: Symptoms

Hi

thanks so much for replying to mt :post: I was taking T3 but my symptoms

were not much better so I asked my Endo if I could try natural thyroid. He very

kindly prescribed this for me {60 mg} I took NAE and selinum prior to starting

Erfa then took 1/4 tab as suggested on Tpa site slowly building up as suggested,

I am going abroad ror 45 days and would have run out of Erfa whilst away as my

G.P said he can't prescribe it. So I reverted back to T3 after 24hrs. I have

purchased some progestorone cream to help with the very bad sweating but will

have to wait forvit to take effect. I have had an adreanal test and it came back

too low in morning too high for the other 3 times. The reason I have taken steps

to have Erfa is because whilst being on t4 for 12+ years I have always suffered

debilatating fatigue, and lots of other hypo symptoms which until joining the

T.P.A. I and my G.P. didn't realise were connected. I find the symptoms I am now

experencing now quite scarry, but hope the trial and error bring lasting

improved health. Sorry for the long " post " but you did ask!!!!!!!!!!!! Ha Ha,

luv Carolyn

[Guest guest]

Hi Carolyn

Let me try to reply to you here, i would have replied earlier but been busy at

work unfortunately (anyone would think they paid me).

I think when you replied to my message you may have clicked 'reply to sender'

not 'reply to group' - if you reply to group it posts the reply back to the

forum, which is better then you can get everyone's opinion on what's going on.

I'm trying to familiarise myself with your situation. When the endo gave you

the Erfa, did you feel better on it?

From the information on this board, it sounds like your GP can prescribe Erfa,

but whether he wants to or not is another thing ?

With regards to you running out of Erfa - was the endo going to write to your GP

and ask him/her to prescribe erfa, or were you due to go back and see the endo?

Is there any way you can ask the endo for another prescription ? when do you go

out the country?

>I have purchased some progestorone cream to help with the very bad sweating

but will have to wait forvit to take effect. I have had an adreanal test and it

came back too low in morning too high for the other 3 times.

Ok I hope that progesterone helps you soon and you start to feel better. Do you

think taking T3 only could be too hard on your adrenal glands? I am not one to

advise you on medication but can you ask your doctor whether he'd give you a mix

of T4 and T3 similar to what's in Erfa? I am just wondering if the T3 may be a

bit hard on your body that's all.

What else did the endo say, did he agree to check any mineral/vitamin

deficiencies and look at the status of your adrenal glands?

chris

[Guest guest]

Hi to all I am going away for 6 weeks and I have decided to cease some of my

meds and just go back to T4 as I am having a lot of bad reactions and don't

know how or what to do about them. Someone sent a message asking for my meds

etc., I replied but as yet not had any reply'

[Guest guest]

Hi all

Am.pretty dissapointed tonight as my pinprick bites had lessened recently with

the doxy but tonight all o a sudden they are worse n in other areas too,like my

legs

Have a fever too,burning up an face bright red blotchy

Feel sick

Could this be normal n herxing on doxy making me worse?

Oh boy u know I just want all this to be over with!:-(

Feel miserable

Want it to stop!

Why do we all have to suffer!!!

?

Whit a life!!!:-(

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On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:53 PST Aggi Assmann wrote:

>So sorry :-) I have never seen my mites either and yet I got at least

identification of a " blood-sucking mite " . The entomologist could not specify it

any further, but all my misery started with a bird's nest on top of our office

building, so I assume I am dealing with bird mites. They all keep telling us,

how important id'ing would be, but noone knows how to eradicate bird mites

anyway. I have been reading for hours on bird breeder forums and they all say 

in unison that the problem can be controlled, but not terminated. I have spoken

to the biggest pest controller in my area. They told me that they would not have

any substance to fumigate the house with for BM, and that I should get a good

vacuum cleaner and use it every day. They do not know a thing.

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>Von: " charlesbradshaw1@... " <charlesbradshaw1@...>

>An: bird mites

>Gesendet: 18:25 Montag, 5.März 2012

>Betreff: Re: Re: mites under the skin??

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>And charles!  Don't forget about me. As for the size of mites I cannot see them

and never could. Just too small. Not even with a 15 power lense. I don't know

also how important it is to identify exactly. Just to get rid of them. Tell you

the truth. There is no one that I have found in san antonio that knows anything

about them or even wants to return a call. I have talked to the supervisors of

all pest companies here.

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