Re: Re: Cramps from Magnesium

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LP, I do have severe cramps at night in my calves and feet.  They’ve improved since I’ve stopped taking the Magnesium.  I do believe they come from a Ca/Mg imbalance.  It sounds like potassium factors in there as well.  I have some malabsorption issues though, so I don’t know what minerals are actually making it through and what aren’t. I definitely understand where you’re coming from.  It wakes me up in a violent fashion and I have to grab my foot or calve until the pain passes and the muscle relaxes.  Throughout the day, I do sometimes get occasional twitching too.  Sounds like ’s advice will work for you. From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of ladybugsandbeesSent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:58 AMiodine Subject: Re: Re: Cramps from Magnesium  Are you taking any B Vitamins? I would consider a B Complex. What kind of potassium and how much are you taking. There is a good blend of Vit C/Ca/K/Mg that I use and it has helped with cramps because it is balanced. I took 1-2 scoops / day. You can purchase it from www.vrp.com and it is called BalanCe. Very soon I will have my office set up and I can offer some of these items to the members of the list but at this point I have no storage to stock up on the basics. Have you seen a Chiropractor? Ask them when you call how they would deal with your issues and explain the problems you are having. You will want to find a skilled doctor that knows how to handle injuries / degenerative issues. but you may get some relief. Buist, ND HCOwner / Iodine Group Re: Re: Cramps from Magnesium I have cramps every night so bad I am screaming in pain and then crying. I have tried numerous things/products, and I take Calcium Citrate and two 400mg capsules 2x daily of magnesium. I also have tried nano-Ionic Calcium/Magnesium and apple cider vinegar & water, Calm Plus Calcium. I am at my wits end and if I had a gun by my bed, I would've used it many times because the pain of these cramps which are in the back of my legs above my knees, in my calves, and in my feet. They are de-bilitating!!!! I don't know what to do, and I can't take this pain nightly much longer. I don't sleep but an hour in intervals (last night it was almost every hour, like clockwork, as these cramps go on and on all night, so I rarely get any sleep. Does anyone else have cramps this bad? I don't have MS, but I do have spinal stenosis, degenerative disc disease, a bulging disc, an abdominal aortic calcification, Dercum's Disease & Lyme Disease with several coinfections. Yep, I'm a physical wreck and I do see a naturopath ocassionally, but she just recommended mag caps with potassium. Please, if anyone knows why these occur so frequently, please tell me what to do. I don't have a mainstream physician, and I don't want one. I am only interested in natural healing. I also was told by a mainstream doctor that I need a hip replacement. Not going there ever, but maybe this is part of this pain because I have severe arthritis in my left hip.Thanks for any and all advice~L.P. " We as humans have to live with the consequences of our behaviors, which can, and sometimes does, drive us to the brink of insanity. " (Lynda Lottman-~AKA: L.P.) In a message dated 9/27/2011 7:23:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kcjlr@... writes: Hi ChrisCramps and spasms are related to the calcium/magnesium balance. I find it hard to imagine that magnesium might cause cramps, but if it does, it would be because this balance has been upset. Dr. Bob Lawrence writes: " The occurrence of muscle cramp …, is well known to be associated with calcium deficiency. The normal therapeutic daily dose is, at least, calcium 1000mg and magnesium 500 mg. These are best taken at night because calcium levels tend to fall most significantly during sleep when muscle cramp is most likely to occur. " http://forum.ldnresearchtrust.org/index.php?showtopic=39 To say that cramps are from a calcium deficiency, and spasms (twitches, restless legs, etc) are from a magnesium deficiency may be an oversimplification, but supplementing with both throughout the day has eliminated the problem for me (and I have MS).Interesting that I gave up dairy yesterday, and for the first time in months, maybe a year, my toes were cramping as I was trying to get to sleep. I realized that even though I took my usual cal / mag / D supplements, I was missing the calcium from my diet. I've found that taking some extra cal / mag / D whenever cramps or spasms start, usually works as fast as taking an aspirin. In about 20 minutes they're gone. This is the supplement I use:http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-1087 Take 2 of these when cramps (or spasms) start and they're gone in 20 minutes, for me anyway.Karyn>> I'm wondering what to do about the companion supplement Mg I'm taking. It's> waking me up at night with strong muscle cramps in my feet. I stop taking> it and I don't get them.> > > > Any thoughts?> > > > Chris>

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When I went to the vrp site and entered Vit C/Ca/K/Mg, I couldn't find it. What is the name of it? They are having a " buy two, get one free " sale.

 

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:57 AM, ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:



Are you taking any B Vitamins?  I would consider a B Complex.  What kind of potassium and how much are you taking.  There is a good blend of Vit C/Ca/K/Mg that I use and it has helped with cramps because it is balanced.  I took 1-2 scoops / day.  You can purchase it from www.vrp.com  and it is called BalanCe.  Very soon I will have my office set up and I can offer some of these items to the members of the list but at this point I have no storage to stock up on the basics. 

 

Have you seen a Chiropractor?  Ask them when you call how they would deal with your issues and explain the problems you are having.  You will want to find a skilled doctor that knows how to handle injuries / degenerative issues. but you may get some relief. 

 

Buist, ND HC

Owner / Iodine Group

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Are those muscles sore the next day? It could be either potssium or sodium deficiency. I was on a sodium (salt) restricted diet when pregnant, had cramps in both legs from my hips to me toes. I went to the kitchen, put salt in my hand, ate it, and those cramps stopped.

 

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:34 AM, <LP66@...> wrote:

I have cramps every night so bad I am screaming in pain and then crying. I have tried numerous things/products, and I take Calcium Citrate and two 400mg capsules 2x daily of magnesium. I also have tried nano-Ionic Calcium/Magnesium and apple cider vinegar & water, Calm Plus Calcium. I am at my wits end and if I had a gun by my bed, I would've used it many times because the pain of these cramps which are in the back of my legs above my knees, in my calves, and in my feet. They are de-bilitating!!!! I don't know what to do, and I can't take this pain nightly much longer. I don't sleep but an hour in intervals (last night it was almost every hour, like clockwork, as these cramps go on and on all night, so I rarely get any sleep. Does anyone else have cramps this bad? I don't have MS, but I do have spinal stenosis, degenerative disc disease, a bulging disc, an abdominal aortic calcification, Dercum's Disease & Lyme Disease with several coinfections. Yep, I'm a physical wreck and I do see a naturopath ocassionally, but she just recommended mag caps with potassium.  Please, if anyone knows why these occur so frequently, please tell me what to do. I don't have a mainstream physician, and I don't want one. I am only interested in natural healing. I also was told by a mainstream doctor that I need a hip replacement. Not going there ever, but maybe this is part of this pain because I have severe arthritis in my left hip.

Thanks for any and all advice~L.P.

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,The name is BalanCe. can purchase it from www.vrp.com and it is called BalanCe. Donna in IL From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of itsmelindadSent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:07 PMiodine Subject: Re: Re: Cramps from Magnesium , When I went to the vrp site and entered Vit C/Ca/K/Mg, I couldn't find it. What is the name of it? They are having a " buy two, get one free " sale. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:57 AM, ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote: Are you taking any B Vitamins? I would consider a B Complex. What kind of potassium and how much are you taking. There is a good blend of Vit C/Ca/K/Mg that I use and it has helped with cramps because it is balanced. I took 1-2 scoops / day. You can purchase it from www.vrp.com and it is called BalanCe. Very soon I will have my office set up and I can offer some of these items to the members of the list but at this point I have no storage to stock up on the basics. Have you seen a Chiropractor? Ask them when you call how they would deal with your issues and explain the problems you are having. You will want to find a skilled doctor that knows how to handle injuries / degenerative issues. but you may get some relief. Buist, ND HCOwner / Iodine Group

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For what it is worth (and we all all apparently very different) I was

having cramps or maybe nerve pain in my upper thighs for some time.  I

know it is not the LDN, so I back off of my other supplements and added

then added them on one by one.  I still could not figure it out.

Nothing was consistent. I did lose some of the "cramps." So when I

started back on my supplements, I noticed the Calcium Citrate Plus I

was taking from GNC (Vit D as Cholecalcifreal) 800 IU, Calcium (as

Calcium Citrate) 800 mg and Magnesium (as Magnesium Oxide) 400 mg) said

take 4 per day. I had been taking only one.  I also take Vit D3 10,000

IU (also GNC), and Chelated Magnesium (as amino acid chelate) 100mg.

Once I increased the Calcium Citrate Plus to 4/day I have not had the

"cramps" return.  I have also been taking 12.5mg of "Tri-Iodine" twice

a day for about the last 3 weeks. But I noticed the improvement quickly

after I increased the Calcium Citrate Plus just this past week.

Kathy Turetzky wrote:

 

My boyfriend had leg cramps last night and I sprayed

magnesium oil on his calves.  Also, epsom salt baths would probably

help.  Eating bananas daily also.  You may also want to try homepathic

arnica for the muscle cramping.  Concentrate on more magnesium, not

calcium.

 

Kathy T.

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Cramps from Magnesium

iodine

Date: Thursday, September 29, 2011, 8:57 AM

 



Are you taking any B Vitamins?  I would consider a B

Complex.  What kind of potassium and how much are you taking.  There is

a good blend of Vit C/Ca/K/Mg that I use and it has helped with cramps

because it is balanced.  I took 1-2 scoops / day.  You can purchase it

from www.vrp.com  and it is called

BalanCe.  Very soon I will have my office set up and I can offer some

of these items to the members of the list but at this point I have no

storage to stock up on the basics. 

 

Have you seen a Chiropractor?  Ask them when you call how

they would deal with your issues and explain the problems you are

having.  You will want to find a skilled doctor that knows how to

handle injuries / degenerative issues. but you may get some relief. 

 

Buist, ND HC

Owner / Iodine Group

 

 

 

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Re: Re: Cramps from Magnesium

 

I have cramps every night so bad I am

screaming in pain and then crying. I have tried numerous

things/products, and I take Calcium Citrate and two 400mg capsules 2x

daily of magnesium. I also have tried nano-Ionic Calcium/Magnesium and

apple cider vinegar & water, Calm Plus Calcium. I am at my wits end

and if I had a gun by my bed, I would've used it many times because the

pain of these cramps which are in the back of my legs above my knees,

in my calves, and in my feet. They are de-bilitating!!!! I don't know

what to do, and I can't take this pain nightly much longer. I don't

sleep but an hour in intervals (last night it was almost every hour,

like clockwork, as these cramps go on and on all night, so I rarely get

any sleep. Does anyone else have cramps this bad? I don't have MS, but

I do have spinal stenosis, degenerative disc disease, a bulging disc,

an abdominal aortic calcification, Dercum's Disease & Lyme Disease

with several coinfections. Yep, I'm a physical wreck and I do see a

naturopath ocassionally, but she just recommended mag caps with

potassium.  Please, if anyone knows why these occur so frequently,

please tell me what to do. I don't have a mainstream physician, and I

don't want one. I am only interested in natural healing. I also was

told by a mainstream doctor that I need a hip replacement. Not going

there ever, but maybe this is part of this pain because I have severe

arthritis in my left hip.

Thanks for any and all advice~L.P.

 

 

"We as humans have to live with the

consequences of our behaviors, which can, and sometimes does, drive us

to the brink of insanity." (Lynda Lottman-~AKA: L.P.)

 

In a message dated 9/27/2011 7:23:16 A.M.

Pacific Daylight Time, kcjlr@... writes:

 

Hi Chris

Cramps and spasms are related to the calcium/magnesium balance. I find

it hard to imagine that magnesium might cause cramps, but if it does,

it would be because this balance has been upset.

Dr. Bob Lawrence writes: "The occurrence of muscle cramp …, is well

known to be associated with calcium deficiency.

The normal therapeutic daily dose is, at least, calcium 1000mg and

magnesium 500 mg. These are best taken at night because calcium levels

tend to fall most significantly during sleep when muscle cramp is most

likely to occur." http://forum.ldnresearchtrust.org/index.php?showtopic=39

To say that cramps are from a calcium deficiency, and spasms (twitches,

restless legs, etc) are from a magnesium deficiency may be an

oversimplification, but supplementing with both throughout the day has

eliminated the problem for me (and I have MS).

Interesting that I gave up dairy yesterday, and for the first time in

months, maybe a year, my toes were cramping as I was trying to get to

sleep. I realized that even though I took my usual cal / mag / D

supplements, I was missing the calcium from my diet.

I've found that taking some extra cal / mag / D whenever cramps or

spasms start, usually works as fast as taking an aspirin. In about 20

minutes they're gone. This is the supplement I use:

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-1087

Take 2 of these when cramps (or spasms) start and they're gone in 20

minutes, for me anyway.

Karyn

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> I'm wondering what to do about the companion supplement Mg I'm

taking. It's

> waking me up at night with strong muscle cramps in my feet. I stop

taking

> it and I don't get them.

>

>

>

> Any thoughts?

>

>

>

> Chris

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As I said below it is called BalanCe. http://www.vrp.com/public/QLOnline/productindex?portal:componentId=15288670 & portal:type=render & portal:isSecure=false & typeOfIndexSelectedProduct=name & currentProduct=BalanCe

Re: Re: Cramps from Magnesium

,

When I went to the vrp site and entered Vit C/Ca/K/Mg, I couldn't find it. What is the name of it? They are having a "buy two, get one free" sale.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:57 AM, ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:



Are you taking any B Vitamins? I would consider a B Complex. What kind of potassium and how much are you taking. There is a good blend of Vit C/Ca/K/Mg that I use and it has helped with cramps because it is balanced. I took 1-2 scoops / day. You can purchase it from www.vrp.com and it is called BalanCe. Very soon I will have my office set up and I can offer some of these items to the members of the list but at this point I have no storage to stock up on the basics.

Have you seen a Chiropractor? Ask them when you call how they would deal with your issues and explain the problems you are having. You will want to find a skilled doctor that knows how to handle injuries / degenerative issues. but you may get some relief.

Buist, ND HC

Owner / Iodine Group

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Yes. i did. i got them above the knee on the inside of the leg. it was hideous. my daughter got married two weeks ago and for two days i didn't get my supplements into me and at the reception, my toes were curling, pulling apart, i had to just stand there and try to work them out. i would try the epsom salts, along with a potassium tablet. 99 mg is what you get. and with the mag. (and i use the calcium and it works fine) but that is me. but it took away my cramps. i also use selenium 200 mg along with folic acid and b12.. diane, near philly, pa On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Donna Iler wrote: It could be that you have too much calcium. If I were you, I would leave out the calcium, and take a good quality magnesium – mag chloride, mag citrate, most any form except mag oxide, as your body is hardly able to absorb any of this form, and is basically useless. You could have too much calcium, which can cause cramping. Our lifestyle in general easily gets calcium, but is difficult to get magnesium. Also, try an Epsom salt bath before bed, as that is mag sulfate, and will absorb directly into your body. You could also use magnesium oil directly on your body, especially your legs to get it absorbed into your body. You could also be lacking in potassium, which can contribute. Did you try the mag caps with potassium your natropath recommended? They could be a help. Donna in IL I have cramps every night so bad I am screaming in pain and then crying. I have tried numerous things/products, and I take Calcium Citrate and two 400mg capsules 2x daily of magnesium. I also have tried nano-Ionic Calcium/Magnesium and apple cider vinegar & water, Calm Plus Calcium. I am at my wits end and if I had a gun by my bed, I would've used it many times because the pain of these cramps which are in the back of my legs above my knees, in my calves, and in my feet. They are de-bilitating!!!! I don't know what to do, and I can't take this pain nightly much longer. I don't sleep but an hour in intervals (last night it was almost every hour, like clockwork, as these cramps go on and on all night, so I rarely get any sleep. Does anyone else have cramps this bad? I don't have MS, but I do have spinal stenosis, degenerative disc disease, a bulging disc, an abdominal aortic calcification, Dercum's Disease & Lyme Disease with several coinfections. Yep, I'm a physical wreck and I do see a naturopath ocassionally, but she just recommended mag caps with potassium. Please, if anyone knows why these occur so frequently, please tell me what to do. I don't have a mainstream physician, and I don't want one. I am only interested in natural healing. I also was told by a mainstream doctor that I need a hip replacement. Not going there ever, but maybe this is part of this pain because I have severe arthritis in my left hip.Thanks for any and all advice~L.P. "We as humans have to live with the consequences of our behaviors, which can, and sometimes does, drive us to the brink of insanity." (Lynda Lottman-~AKA: L.P.) In a message dated 9/27/2011 7:23:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kcjlr@... writes: Hi ChrisCramps and spasms are related to the calcium/magnesium balance. I find it hard to imagine that magnesium might cause cramps, but if it does, it would be because this balance has been upset. Dr. Bob Lawrence writes: "The occurrence of muscle cramp …, is well known to be associated with calcium deficiency. The normal therapeutic daily dose is, at least, calcium 1000mg and magnesium 500 mg. These are best taken at night because calcium levels tend to fall most significantly during sleep when muscle cramp is most likely to occur." http://forum.ldnresearchtrust.org/index.php?showtopic=39 To say that cramps are from a calcium deficiency, and spasms (twitches, restless legs, etc) are from a magnesium deficiency may be an oversimplification, but supplementing with both throughout the day has eliminated the problem for me (and I have MS).Interesting that I gave up dairy yesterday, and for the first time in months, maybe a year, my toes were cramping as I was trying to get to sleep. I realized that even though I took my usual cal / mag / D supplements, I was missing the calcium from my diet. I've found that taking some extra cal / mag / D whenever cramps or spasms start, usually works as fast as taking an aspirin. In about 20 minutes they're gone. This is the supplement I use:http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-1087 Take 2 of these when cramps (or spasms) start and they're gone in 20 minutes, for me anyway.Karyn>> I'm wondering what to do about the companion supplement Mg I'm taking. It's> waking me up at night with strong muscle cramps in my feet. I stop taking> it and I don't get them.> > > > Any thoughts?> > > > Chris>