Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Doni you sound like your on the righ track. So keep going! SueDoni Kiernan <doninelia@...> wrote: Hi Cheryl, It was so nice to hear from you again. Actually pain isn't so bad today, but I feel like I was rode hard and put up wet! Sorta' like the flu, and really exhausted. The stairs are a real adventure! They kept telling me I was going to get sicker and sicker- the combination of radiation and chemo ( one of the ingredients in my chemo "soup" is really rough) is because my tumor is inoperable. It is right in the middle of my chest around my trachea. I did get some good news yesterday, though. The PET scan shows no cancer anywhere else! The doctor says it is very unusual for someone to survive 5 years with oat-cell cancer - it is the fastest moving kind. But, he also says it is very unusual to find it before it has spread - very often by the time they find it it is too late to do anything but write your will. So maybe the 2 will balance each other out. Hey, maybe my fairy godmother is out there somewhere! I have moved around a lot, maybe she is just lost! As for the pain - it's funny but the seriousness of my situation didn't really hit me until I told the doctor about the excruciating headache and he handed me a prescription for morphine. Doctors are usually so stingy with painkillers you'd think they had to pay for them. Looks like my sense of humor is trying to make a comeback, it really does help to talk and get encouragement! Thank you again! Doni Cheryl <phygleticallyincorrect@...> wrote: Hi Doni,I'm sorry for your loss too. I couldn't imagine. I've been with my husband for 12 1/2 years. I'm sure I'd lose my sense of humor too. Now that you mentioned it, I'd like to know where my fairy godmother is as well. About your kids and cancer, give it some time. It took me and my siblings some time for the news to sink in when my parents told us about my mom.I hope you're having a pleasant, pain free day. Take care.Cheryldoninelia <doninelia@...> wrote: I am truly sorry for your loss. I just lost someone very important to me, also. I also have had more than my fair share of illnesses already. But, they never said it would be fair, did they? Well, yeah, sort of, with all those fairy tales and the stuff they taught us when we were little --- where the heck is my fairy-godmother, anyway? As usual, she didn't show up to help and neither did good ole' Prince Charming! I do have a good friend that calls and visits when she can and I don't think my kids really know how to handle this yet - their Mom has always managed to figure out how to deal with everything and I think it's just as difficult for them to fully accept that this is one that I can't figure my way out of as it is for me! Thank you for answering my plea for help!!! I am hoping that this group might be a big help, and I always love to help someone else when I can, too. Doni what?...nobody else out there with cancer and a bad attitude? you all > seem prtty cheerfull about being sick. I have been an easy-going, be > there for everybody kind of person all my life - and now I am $%%# & ((^/ > ticked off!!!! I really tried to buck up and take it on the chin when > 13 days after my fella' died they told me I have cancer. I seem to > have completely lost my sense of humor!!!>~*~Cheryl~*~http://www.geocities.com/chemar633/ __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Hi Doni, It's great to see your spirits lifted! It does seem like there is someone keeping an eye on you after all! That's great news that the cancer hasn't spread and that it was found in it's early stages. That's awesome! That radiation/chemo combo is really tough. I watched my mom go through that. She was so sick. But, I've also heard stories about people doing really well during their treatments. I'm praying you'll be one of those people and that it won't be kicking your tail. Take it easy on those stairs. Chat with you soon. Cheryl Doni Kiernan <doninelia@...> wrote: Hi Cheryl, It was so nice to hear from you again. Actually pain isn't so bad today, but I feel like I was rode hard and put up wet! Sorta' like the flu, and really exhausted. The stairs are a real adventure! They kept telling me I was going to get sicker and sicker- the combination of radiation and chemo ( one of the ingredients in my chemo "soup" is really rough) is because my tumor is inoperable. It is right in the middle of my chest around my trachea. I did get some good news yesterday, though. The PET scan shows no cancer anywhere else! The doctor says it is very unusual for someone to survive 5 years with oat-cell cancer - it is the fastest moving kind. But, he also says it is very unusual to find it before it has spread - very often by the time they find it it is too late to do anything but write your will. So maybe the 2 will balance each other out. Hey, maybe my fairy godmother is out there somewhere! I have moved around a lot, maybe she is just lost! As for the pain - it's funny but the seriousness of my situation didn't really hit me until I told the doctor about the excruciating headache and he handed me a prescription for morphine. Doctors are usually so stingy with painkillers you'd think they had to pay for them. Looks like my sense of humor is trying to make a comeback, it really does help to talk and get encouragement! Thank you again! Doni . ~*~Cheryl~*~http://www.geocities.com/chemar633/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Recently someone wrote some things about a new "natural" product used in alternative cancer treatments. I looked up some peer reviewed information on it - I hadnever heard of the product before but the literature looked good. Anyone remember what this product was? It was within the lastr 2 months that there was a little murmur on here about it Anglen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 The product is like granola or something Anglen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Lidsey Essiac tea--- Can be found under the name " Flor-Essence www.florahealth.com > Recently someone wrote some things about a new " natural " product used in > alternative cancer treatments. I looked up some peer reviewed information > on it - > I hadnever heard of the product before but the literature looked good. > > Anyone remember what this product was? It was within the lastr 2 months > that > there was a little murmur on here about it > > Anglen > DR CHARLIE CAUGHLIN DC. CAC 155 NW 1ST AVE JOHN DAY, OR 97845 OFF-541-575-1063 FAX-541-575-5554 HM-541-575-1103 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Hi , I think the discussion was from Sunny, the herb was graviola and here is the link from her. http://www.rain-tree.com/graviola.htm Robins, DC On 8/17/06, ang320@... <ang320@...> wrote: The product is like granola or something Anglen -- Robins, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Thanks for the link ... tho I grew up int he south pacific and ate this wonderful fruit alot, just this last quarter I became aware of this name for it and haven't found any source for it .... so haven't had a chance to use it medicinally. Sunny Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C Eugene, Oregon, 97401 541- 344- 0509; Fx; 541- 344- 0955 From: "sean robins" <seanrobins@...>"ang320@..." <ang320@...>CC: Subject: Re: CancerDate: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:12:42 -0700 Hi , I think the discussion was from Sunny, the herb was graviola and here is the link from her. http://www.rain-tree.com/graviola.htm Robins, DC On 8/17/06, ang320@... <ang320@...> wrote: The product is like granola or something Anglen -- Robins, DC Get real-time traffic reports with Windows Live Local Search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 I don't want to be a scaremonger, but I am very concerned about a study out of Loyola University which found that PWCs and poss fibro sufferers were dying younger than their peers of cancer and heart disease. Has anyone seen this? Does anyone have any thoughts or feedback? I wonder if there are steps we can take to protect ourselves.. beyond getting well... in terms of aggressively screening for the more common types of cancer. Perhaps I'm just reading too much. But it's really preying on my mind. Thanks Louella --------------------------------- Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 > > I don't want to be a scaremonger, but I am very concerned about a study out of Loyola University which found that PWCs and poss fibro sufferers were dying younger than their peers of cancer and heart disease. > ***Hi Louella - I haven't seen the study, however, it wouldn't surprise me we did die at an earlier age than the norm. When you consider the fact that we are unable to get adequate exercise, it would be expected that our bodies would suffer because of it. Take care. Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 somebody posted something about this a while back. i think the study said that pwcs died of the usual suspects (heart disease, cancer, suicide), just about 20 years earlier than our healthy buddies. i would like to see the study also, will try searching when i have time. > > I don't want to be a scaremonger, but I am very concerned about a study out of Loyola University which found that PWCs and poss fibro sufferers were dying younger than their peers of cancer and heart disease. > > Has anyone seen this? Does anyone have any thoughts or feedback? > > I wonder if there are steps we can take to protect ourselves.. beyond getting well... in terms of aggressively screening for the more common types of cancer. > > Perhaps I'm just reading too much. But it's really preying on my mind. > > Thanks > Louella > > > > > --------------------------------- > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 I think this is what you are speaking of: http://www.name-us.org/ResearchPages/ResearchArticlesAbstracts/Articles/Jas\ on2005Mortalityfull.pdf summarized at: http://www.name-us.org/ResearchPages/Res.htm#Mortality On 9/12/06, shakerz25 <shakerz25@...> wrote: > somebody posted something about this a while back. i think the study > said that pwcs died of the usual suspects (heart disease, cancer, > suicide), just about 20 years earlier than our healthy buddies. > > i would like to see the study also, will try searching when i have > time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Well, people with screwed up immunity are more likely to get cancer, and people who don't move very much are likely to have heart problems. I haven't a clue what we cn do- but statistics don't scare me.I am not a statistic. When I am done breathing, I will stop. Adrienne Re: cancer I don't want to be a scaremonger, but I am very concerned about a study out of Loyola University which found that PWCs and poss fibro sufferers were dying younger than their peers of cancer and heart disease. Has anyone seen this? Does anyone have any thoughts or feedback? I wonder if there are steps we can take to protect ourselves.. beyond getting well... in terms of aggressively screening for the more common types of cancer. Perhaps I'm just reading too much. But it's really preying on my mind. Thanks Louella --------------------------------- Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Well, I have made it t0 67; 68 in a few weeks, so I have beat that statistic, but 29 yrs doesn't sound right to me. Adrienne Re: cancer somebody posted something about this a while back. i think the study said that pwcs died of the usual suspects (heart disease, cancer, suicide), just about 20 years earlier than our healthy buddies. i would like to see the study also, will try searching when i have time. > > I don't want to be a scaremonger, but I am very concerned about a study out of Loyola University which found that PWCs and poss fibro sufferers were dying younger than their peers of cancer and heart disease. > > Has anyone seen this? Does anyone have any thoughts or feedback? > > I wonder if there are steps we can take to protect ourselves.. beyond getting well... in terms of aggressively screening for the more common types of cancer. > > Perhaps I'm just reading too much. But it's really preying on my mind. > > Thanks > Louella > > > > > --------------------------------- > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 That study fortunately had severe methodological questions - as the authors themselves noted. A recent study that was statistically sound found, thankfully, no increased rates of death in CFS. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstra\ ctPlus & list_uids=16893495 & query_hl=1 & itool=pubmed_docsum bob niederman <bobn1955@...> wrote: I think this is what you are speaking of: http://www.name-us.org/ResearchPages/ResearchArticlesAbstracts/Articles/Jas\ on2005Mortalityfull.pdf summarized at: http://www.name-us.org/ResearchPages/Res.htm#Mortality On 9/12/06, shakerz25 <shakerz25@...> wrote: > somebody posted something about this a while back. i think the study > said that pwcs died of the usual suspects (heart disease, cancer, > suicide), just about 20 years earlier than our healthy buddies. > > i would like to see the study also, will try searching when i have > time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 best news I've heard in a while.. Thanks, Louella cort johnson <cortttt@...> wrote: That study fortunately had severe methodological questions - as the authors themselves noted. A recent study that was statistically sound found, thankfully, no increased rates of death in CFS. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstra\ ctPlus & list_uids=16893495 & query_hl=1 & itool=pubmed_docsum bob niederman <bobn1955@...> wrote: I think this is what you are speaking of: http://www.name-us.org/ResearchPages/ResearchArticlesAbstracts/Articles/Jas\ on2005Mortalityfull.pdf summarized at: http://www.name-us.org/ResearchPages/Res.htm#Mortality On 9/12/06, shakerz25 <shakerz25@...> wrote: > somebody posted something about this a while back. i think the study > said that pwcs died of the usual suspects (heart disease, cancer, > suicide), just about 20 years earlier than our healthy buddies. > > i would like to see the study also, will try searching when i have > time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 I will probably die earlier than if I was normal person. That is the truth.I am 52 and my body is like 85. Already have some heart problems. Severe pancreas and gut problems. All body systems are problematic.Anything can happen at any day. If for some reason I can not be able to detox myself and/or get some supplements suicide may also be possible.I am not upset so don't feel sorry.Just wrote this as a fact. Nil Re: Re: cancer I agree! I dont want to go early. As I remember practitioners from 100 years ago didnt believe their neurasthenic patients died earlier either. The only ones in the present study to die earlier where people without CFS but with severe fatigue and depression - their suicide rate was higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 I'm 55 and feel exactly the same way. You kinda get this way cuz after decades of trying everything under the sun without any success and are still unable to get out of bed for most of the day one can get pretty discouraged. I recently started reading " Detoxify or Die " and can really see the point of the book. It's the next thing I'm going to try, but without the hope that's maybe required? I just want something to work for me without having to " believe " in it. I don't have to believe that if I cut myself I'll get a scab. It just happens. I'd love to find a treatment like that, but I've spent so much $ and so much time chasing treatments that I'm finding it unlikely. Sorry for the negative attitude, I've got the flu right now and am particularly sick on top of the ongoing problems. yildiz <yildiz22@...> wrote: I will probably die earlier than if I was normal person. That is the truth.I am 52 and my body is like 85. Already have some heart problems. Severe pancreas and gut problems. All body systems are problematic.Anything can happen at any day. If for some reason I can not be able to detox myself and/or get some supplements suicide may also be possible.I am not upset so don't feel sorry.Just wrote this as a fact. Nil Re: Re: cancer I agree! I dont want to go early. As I remember practitioners from 100 years ago didnt believe their neurasthenic patients died earlier either. The only ones in the present study to die earlier where people without CFS but with severe fatigue and depression - their suicide rate was higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Although the study I noted had limitations, the idea this disease, that screws up a body as badly as this one does. leave mortality rates unaffected, is dificult to swallow. It may be true, but it defies common sense. How can you have such serious immune system, cardio-system and endocrine system problems for years and not go before your time? Given the " Mortality in a cohort of chronically fatigued patients " study probalby used CDC-Fukuda, or (god help us) even CDC-Reeves as their criteria, I'm not sure how meaningful it is. On 9/13/06, cort johnson <cortttt@...> wrote: > > That study fortunately had severe methodological questions - as the > authors themselves noted. A recent study that was statistically sound found, > thankfully, no increased rates of death in CFS. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 hi louella ... many a day i think about as a long term cfids/fm person that i have a high risk of dying from cancer , heart disease and sucide from this illness .. ( study on this list in this past six months about this : average age we die from this) and i have known people on this list and out in the real world with this illness affected by the above things and some are sadly gone .. i try to read about what is out there and things i can do to help myself but i try not to get all worked up about it as its too depressing for me and i want some quality of life. ...which is a big struggle with this illness... in fact i am amazed i am still alive and here 16 years from this illness when i was so sick and unaware of anything in the early years.. i wish i had easy answers but u have to try to make some balance and peace in your life .... this isnt the way any of us hoped to spend our days/years but you have to find ways to cope and deal with it .. sorry no easy answers and i am trying to take the best care of myself as i can and keep myself less depressed, calm and emabrancing parts of my daily life.. to create some joy , hope and feel like i have a life of some sort.. their are suggestions out there by dr cheny and others of suppliments , things u can do...lifestyle changes etc.. as for the cancer their are alot of books and websites that talk about suppliments to enhance your immune system , foods to eat and ways to defuse the stress in our lives which is alot with this illness. and everything is connected :neuroimmunendocrinolgy. good luck in your journey to survive and embrace who u are inspite of this illness tealk .. Re: cancer I don't want to be a scaremonger, but I am very concerned about a study out of Loyola University which found that PWCs and poss fibro sufferers were dying younger than their peers of cancer and heart disease. Has anyone seen this? Does anyone have any thoughts or feedback? I wonder if there are steps we can take to protect ourselves.. beyond getting well... in terms of aggressively screening for the more common types of cancer. Perhaps I'm just reading too much. But it's really preying on my mind. Thanks Louella --------------------------------- Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Well said. Many times I repeat in my head what is in my anti-aging manual under CFS and EBV " .... 10,000x higher chance of cancer " . But what can I do? Sit and let it eat me alive? No.. If I'm only to be here another however longer I'm going to try and do it the most peacefully and live out what life I can. Letting it brew within your mind will create more pathways for the cancer to get in and manifest. It is what it is. Try to only think of the positives. I'm telling this to myself now, as I need daily reminders too Be well. - Wendi tea lk <48tealk17@...> wrote: hi louella ... many a day i think about as a long term cfids/fm person that i have a high risk of dying from cancer , heart disease and sucide from this illness .. ( study on this list in this past six months about this : average age we die from this) and i have known people on this list and out in the real world with this illness affected by the above things and some are sadly gone .. i try to read about what is out there and things i can do to help myself but i try not to get all worked up about it as its too depressing for me and i want some quality of life. ...which is a big struggle with this illness... in fact i am amazed i am still alive and here 16 years from this illness when i was so sick and unaware of anything in the early years.. i wish i had easy answers but u have to try to make some balance and peace in your life .... this isnt the way any of us hoped to spend our days/years but you have to find ways to cope and deal with it .. sorry no easy answers and i am trying to take the best care of myself as i can and keep myself less depressed, calm and emabrancing parts of my daily life.. to create some joy , hope and feel like i have a life of some sort.. their are suggestions out there by dr cheny and others of suppliments , things u can do...lifestyle changes etc.. as for the cancer their are alot of books and websites that talk about suppliments to enhance your immune system , foods to eat and ways to defuse the stress in our lives which is alot with this illness. and everything is connected :neuroimmunendocrinolgy. good luck in your journey to survive and embrace who u are inspite of this illness tealk ... Re: cancer I don't want to be a scaremonger, but I am very concerned about a study out of Loyola University which found that PWCs and poss fibro sufferers were dying younger than their peers of cancer and heart disease. Has anyone seen this? Does anyone have any thoughts or feedback? I wonder if there are steps we can take to protect ourselves.. beyond getting well... in terms of aggressively screening for the more common types of cancer. Perhaps I'm just reading too much. But it's really preying on my mind. Thanks Louella --------------------------------- Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 I agree with you- it is odd but then lots about this disease is odd. Almost everybody use Fukuda CDC - by the way, it is the standard. Theres no separate Reeves CDC definition. --- bob niederman <bobn1955@...> wrote: > Although the study I noted had limitations, the idea > this disease, that > screws up a body as badly as this one does. leave > mortality rates > unaffected, is dificult to swallow. It may be true, > but it defies common > sense. > > How can you have such serious immune system, > cardio-system and endocrine > system problems for years and not go before your > time? > > Given the " Mortality in a cohort of chronically > fatigued patients " study > probalby used CDC-Fukuda, or (god help us) even > CDC-Reeves as their > criteria, I'm not sure how meaningful it is. > > > On 9/13/06, cort johnson <cortttt@...> wrote: > > > > That study fortunately had severe methodological > questions - as the > > authors themselves noted. A recent study that was > statistically sound found, > > thankfully, no increased rates of death in CFS. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 I agree with you- it is odd but then lots about this disease is odd. Almost everybody use Fukuda CDC - by the way, it is the standard. Theres no separate Reeves CDC definition. --- bob niederman <bobn1955@...> wrote: > Although the study I noted had limitations, the idea > this disease, that > screws up a body as badly as this one does. leave > mortality rates > unaffected, is dificult to swallow. It may be true, > but it defies common > sense. > > How can you have such serious immune system, > cardio-system and endocrine > system problems for years and not go before your > time? > > Given the " Mortality in a cohort of chronically > fatigued patients " study > probalby used CDC-Fukuda, or (god help us) even > CDC-Reeves as their > criteria, I'm not sure how meaningful it is. > > > On 9/13/06, cort johnson <cortttt@...> wrote: > > > > That study fortunately had severe methodological > questions - as the > > authors themselves noted. A recent study that was > statistically sound found, > > thankfully, no increased rates of death in CFS. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Cort, See http://www.cfids-me.org/cfscc/<http://www.cfids-me.org/cfscc/cfsacjuly06.html> cfsacjuly06.html <http://www.cfids-me.org/cfscc/cfsacjuly06.html> The CDC's brochures reference the 4 Million figure of which Dr. Schweitzer speaks, as can be seen at: http://www.cdc.gov/cfs/pdf/<http://www.cdc.gov/cfs/pdf/UnderstandingCFS.pdf> UnderstandingCFS.pdf <http://www.cdc.gov/cfs/pdf/UnderstandingCFS.pdf> The best application of CDC-Fukuda ( et al) yields abiout 800,000. Reeves appears to be using something else to blur ME with even more stuff than Fukuda does. On 9/16/06, cort johnson <cortttt@...> wrote: > I agree with you- it is odd but then lots about this > disease is odd. Almost everybody use Fukuda CDC - by > the way, it is the standard. Theres no separate Reeves > CDC definition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 I see what you mean. I'm reading that Reeves paper right now. --- bob niederman <bobn1955@...> wrote: > Cort, > > See > http://www.cfids-me.org/cfscc/<http://www.cfids-me.org/cfscc/cfsacjuly06.html> > cfsacjuly06.html > <http://www.cfids-me.org/cfscc/cfsacjuly06.html> > > The CDC's brochures reference the 4 Million figure > of which Dr. Schweitzer > speaks, as can be seen at: > > http://www.cdc.gov/cfs/pdf/<http://www.cdc.gov/cfs/pdf/UnderstandingCFS.pdf> > UnderstandingCFS.pdf > <http://www.cdc.gov/cfs/pdf/UnderstandingCFS.pdf> > > The best application of CDC-Fukuda ( et al) > yields abiout > 800,000. Reeves appears to be using something else > to blur ME with even > more stuff than Fukuda does. > > > On 9/16/06, cort johnson <cortttt@...> wrote: > > I agree with you- it is odd but then lots about > this > > disease is odd. Almost everybody use Fukuda CDC - > by > > the way, it is the standard. Theres no separate > Reeves > > CDC definition. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 I see what you mean. I'm reading that Reeves paper right now. --- bob niederman <bobn1955@...> wrote: > Cort, > > See > http://www.cfids-me.org/cfscc/<http://www.cfids-me.org/cfscc/cfsacjuly06.html> > cfsacjuly06.html > <http://www.cfids-me.org/cfscc/cfsacjuly06.html> > > The CDC's brochures reference the 4 Million figure > of which Dr. Schweitzer > speaks, as can be seen at: > > http://www.cdc.gov/cfs/pdf/<http://www.cdc.gov/cfs/pdf/UnderstandingCFS.pdf> > UnderstandingCFS.pdf > <http://www.cdc.gov/cfs/pdf/UnderstandingCFS.pdf> > > The best application of CDC-Fukuda ( et al) > yields abiout > 800,000. Reeves appears to be using something else > to blur ME with even > more stuff than Fukuda does. > > > On 9/16/06, cort johnson <cortttt@...> wrote: > > I agree with you- it is odd but then lots about > this > > disease is odd. Almost everybody use Fukuda CDC - > by > > the way, it is the standard. Theres no separate > Reeves > > CDC definition. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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