Re: Resending this+Obesity & Lugol's dosage

[Guest guest]

Bonnie,

I did a computerized word search of Dr. Abraham's articles and I've found the

following quote for you, at the link below (column a, pg.33 - or pg. 17 of 20,

depending on how the pages are counted/numbered):

http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/pdfs/IOD05.pdf

" Orthoiodosupplementation increased urinary excretion

of lead, cadmium, arsenic, aluminum, and mercury. Urinary

bromide and fluoride levels increased markedly and

proportionally to the amount of iodine/iodide ingested.

At three tablets a day, urinary fluoride and bromide increased

up to 20-fold, although the preloading test levels

were not elevated.120 Obesity seems to increase the requirement

for iodine/iodide, and this may be due to sequestration

of iodine by unsaturated fats. So many factors

affect the requirement of iodine/iodide that the best

way to assess whole body sufficiency for this element is

with the loading test. "

>

> Hello:

>

> I read somewhere that a morbidly obese person might need MORE Iodine but I

> forget exactly what that was.

>

> Has anyone read this somewhere?

>

> Thanks,

> Bonnie

>

[Guest guest]

:

Thank you so much for this. I didn't know that Dr. Abraham's articles were stored somewhere. I will save this LINK for further use. I love having information that is easy to find. Is there anymore DATABASES that you are aware of, that can be searched for Iodine info?

Thanks,

Bonnie

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of texlyme_momSent: September 5, 2011 4:47 PMiodine Subject: Re: Resending this+Obesity & Lugol's dosage

Bonnie,I did a computerized word search of Dr. Abraham's articles and I've found the following quote for you, at the link below (column a, pg.33 - or pg. 17 of 20, depending on how the pages are counted/numbered):http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/pdfs/IOD05.pdf"Orthoiodosupplementation increased urinary excretionof lead, cadmium, arsenic, aluminum, and mercury. Urinarybromide and fluoride levels increased markedly andproportionally to the amount of iodine/iodide ingested.At three tablets a day, urinary fluoride and bromide increasedup to 20-fold, although the preloading test levelswere not elevated.120 Obesity seems to increase the requirementfor iodine/iodide, and this may be due to sequestrationof iodine by unsaturated fats. So many factorsaffect the requirement of iodine/iodide that the bestway to assess whole body sufficiency for this element iswith the loading test.">> Hello:> > I read somewhere that a morbidly obese person might need MORE Iodine but I> forget exactly what that was.> > Has anyone read this somewhere?> > Thanks,> Bonnie>

[Guest guest]

Bonnie,

I've found another better quote about obesity in relation to iodine from one of

Dr. Abraham's papers for you. I'll post it below, but first let me try to teach

you how to do a computerized word search for yourself because there might be

other similar discussions of obesity in his writings, and you might enjoy

learning how to search for all of them.

1. First, go to the list of Dr. Abraham's articles on his Optimox website at

this link:

http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I.shtml

2. I have already scanned the first 5 articles, so let's start with his 6th

publication. Click on it where it says " print document " to open the document.

3. Look up in your toolbar to find the " edit " tab. Click on it to get teh

pull-down menu, and then click on the bottom item which says " Find " . A box will

open up somewhere near the top of the page, depending on which version (old,

new) of Office software you are using. Type the word " obesity " into the query

box.

4. Then, click on the little arrow -- or whatever pull-down options you see on

the screen, depending upon how new or old your version of Office software is.

Choose the one that says " Find Next " (or something similar to that. The one on

my screen says: " Find Next in Current PDF. "

5. If the word is used in this document, it will be highlighted.

6. To see if the search term is used elsewhere in the document, repeat step #4

as many tims as necessary until the message box indicated that it is complete.

That's all there is to it.

7. Hint: When I searched for obesity, the softward skipped over the word " obese "

which appeared in the same paragraph ... " an obese man) subject F) (Figure 2)....

So you might want to repeat the process with the word obese instead of obesity.

OK, now here's the link to the article plus a copy of the text below the link so

that you will know what you are looking for, in case you have any difficulty in

finding it yourself.

http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/pdfs/IOD06.pdf

Using ion-selective electrode measurement, following

chromatography on anion-exchange resins,27 serum inorganic

iodide levels were measured by the author serially

for 24 hours in five normal subjects and one obese man,

following a single ingestion of 37.5 mg of iodine/iodide

from a tablet form of Lugol solution (three tablets of Iodoral

®).9 Baseline serum iodide levels were below the

sensitivity of the assay (0.006 mg/L) in all the subjects

tested. There was no significant difference in the levels

and pattern of serum levels obtained in three normal

women (subjects A, B, C) and two normal men (subjects

D and E) (Figure 2). The serum inorganic iodide levels

increased rapidly to reach peak levels between 1.4 and 1.8

mg/L at 2-3 hours post ingestion, and decreased afterward.

The serum levels were still elevated at 24 hours post ingestion,

ranging from 0.3-0.5 mg/L. The serum levels observed

in an obese man (subject F) (Figure 2) were much

lower and approached baseline by 8 hours post ingestion.

Sequestration of iodine by fats may be the explanation for

this observation. With selective uptake of iodine, but not

iodide by fats, obesity would create a selective iodine deficiency

for tissues like the mammary glands possessing a

preference for iodine.28,29 Following ingestion of 50 mg

(four tablets) of the same preparation in six normal

premenopausal subjects, the serum inorganic iodide levels

followed the same profile as the one observed in the five

normal subjects following ingestion of 37.5 mg elemental

iodine but with higher serum levels. The baseline inorganic

iodide levels were below the sensitivity of the assay

in all six subjects.

> >

> > Hello:

> >

> > I read somewhere that a morbidly obese person might need MORE Iodine but I

> > forget exactly what that was.

> >

> > Has anyone read this somewhere?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Bonnie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

:

Thank you so much for your generosity, in explaning how to find these papers. I will print this out and use it as a Guide to find what I want to read.

You're very kind. This is a GREAT GROUP and I've had to much help.

Bonnie

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of texlyme_momSent: September 5, 2011 7:40 PMiodine Subject: Re: Resending this+Obesity & Lugol's dosage

Bonnie,I've found another better quote about obesity in relation to iodine from one of Dr. Abraham's papers for you. I'll post it below, but first let me try to teach you how to do a computerized word search for yourself because there might be other similar discussions of obesity in his writings, and you might enjoy learning how to search for all of them.1. First, go to the list of Dr. Abraham's articles on his Optimox website at this link:http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I.shtml2. I have already scanned the first 5 articles, so let's start with his 6th publication. Click on it where it says "print document" to open the document. 3. Look up in your toolbar to find the "edit" tab. Click on it to get teh pull-down menu, and then click on the bottom item which says "Find". A box will open up somewhere near the top of the page, depending on which version (old, new) of Office software you are using. Type the word "obesity" into the query box.4. Then, click on the little arrow -- or whatever pull-down options you see on the screen, depending upon how new or old your version of Office software is. Choose the one that says "Find Next" (or something similar to that. The one on my screen says: "Find Next in Current PDF."5. If the word is used in this document, it will be highlighted.6. To see if the search term is used elsewhere in the document, repeat step #4 as many tims as necessary until the message box indicated that it is complete. That's all there is to it. 7. Hint: When I searched for obesity, the softward skipped over the word "obese" which appeared in the same paragraph ..."an obese man) subject F) (Figure 2).... So you might want to repeat the process with the word obese instead of obesity.OK, now here's the link to the article plus a copy of the text below the link so that you will know what you are looking for, in case you have any difficulty in finding it yourself. http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/pdfs/IOD06.pdf Using ion-selective electrode measurement, followingchromatography on anion-exchange resins,27 serum inorganiciodide levels were measured by the author seriallyfor 24 hours in five normal subjects and one obese man,following a single ingestion of 37.5 mg of iodine/iodidefrom a tablet form of Lugol solution (three tablets of Iodoral®).9 Baseline serum iodide levels were below thesensitivity of the assay (0.006 mg/L) in all the subjectstested. There was no significant difference in the levelsand pattern of serum levels obtained in three normalwomen (subjects A, B, C) and two normal men (subjectsD and E) (Figure 2). The serum inorganic iodide levelsincreased rapidly to reach peak levels between 1.4 and 1.8mg/L at 2-3 hours post ingestion, and decreased afterward.The serum levels were still elevated at 24 hours post ingestion,ranging from 0.3-0.5 mg/L. The serum levels observedin an obese man (subject F) (Figure 2) were muchlower and approached baseline by 8 hours post ingestion.Sequestration of iodine by fats may be the explanation forthis observation. With selective uptake of iodine, but notiodide by fats, obesity would create a selective iodine deficiencyfor tissues like the mammary glands possessing apreference for iodine.28,29 Following ingestion of 50 mg(four tablets) of the same preparation in six normalpremenopausal subjects, the serum inorganic iodide levelsfollowed the same profile as the one observed in the fivenormal subjects following ingestion of 37.5 mg elementaliodine but with higher serum levels. The baseline inorganiciodide levels were below the sensitivity of the assayin all six subjects.> >> > Hello:> > > > I read somewhere that a morbidly obese person might need MORE Iodine but I> > forget exactly what that was.> > > > Has anyone read this somewhere?> > > > Thanks,> > Bonnie> >>

[Guest guest]

Please do be aware that while those papers are in general important information,

they do not

include the cutting-edge information about the companion nutrients or the dosage

levels that

have been developed over time with the input of all our members and interactions

with

healthcare professionals. So while those papers are a start, they may not

present the whole

story on the protocol as we practice it today. Just a heads up.

And , that was very kind of you to take the time, thank you.

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On 5 Sep 2011 at 22:02, Bonnie Cole wrote:

>

>

>

> :

>

> Thank you so much for your generosity, in explaning how to find these

> papers. I will print this out and use it as a Guide to find what I

> want to read.

>

> You're very kind. This is a GREAT GROUP and I've had to much help.

>

> Bonnie

[Guest guest]

Bonnie,

Historically on this forum the Optimox Research papers and www.iodine4health.com

are the two websites that (the group owner) has directed people to

most frequently.

From what I understand the Iodine Protocol (basic dosages, companion nutrients

including unrefined salt & salt loading) that is discussed here comes directly

from Dr. Brownstein and was used by as a component in her journey to

healing from cancer as she discusses on her website about that journey -

www.naturalthyroidchoices.com. She has offered in the past, perhaps before you

joined the group, that her purpose in owning & moderating this group is to give

back. Many of benefitted because of her commitment to sharing this information

and her inspiring journey to health!

From what I can tell the components of the iodine protocol have not changed from

Dr. Brownstein's recommendations but the dosages have always varied due to each

individuals health situation as does the potential for detox and that is where

this support forum comes in ~ to help people be aware of what is happening when

their body receives this important nutrient and how to 'ride the storm' when

things start working and the body is getting rid of bromides, heavy metals,

pathogens, etc...

The research papers on the Optimox site and Dr. Brownstein's protocol that

appears to be a product of that research are the most current that can be found

on an online search. Dr. Brownstein's books, newsletter and website are a

continuation of what he is learning since then. is a patient of and

works with Dr. Brownstein so is able to provide this forum with his current

thoughts and responses to things such as the Japan nuclear reactor incident.

There are other physicians that write about iodine... Dr. & Dr. Sircus

are just a couple that get brought up here now and then. Dr. has a very

long history with using iodine of various forms and dosages in his practice but

this forum mostly sticks to discussing the Iodine Protocol put forth by Dr.

Brownstein. Nothing wrong with that! :-)

Historically other doctors have used large doses of Lugol's solution, up to 100

to 200 mg per day ~ Dr. Orian Truss and Dr. Max Gerson are just a couple that a

person can find information about on the internet. However the recent research

(Optimox) showed the need and benefit of what are called 'companion supplements'

that is part of Brownstein's protocol.

Hope this gives you some more perspective and the opportunity to check out other

writings about iodine, while keeping in mind the focus of this forum.

> >

> > Hello:

> >

> > I read somewhere that a morbidly obese person might need MORE Iodine but I

> > forget exactly what that was.

> >

> > Has anyone read this somewhere?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Bonnie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much for your generosity in this eloquent detailed explanation. I have much to learn still.

It's a scarey journey to take a supplement that I'm not even sure, it won't give me palpatations for one thing. But all the support here has given me the confidence to push forward.

I am so grateful.

Bonnie

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of baxroxSent: September 6, 2011 2:28 PMiodine Subject: Re: Resending this+Obesity & Lugol's dosage

Bonnie,Historically on this forum the Optimox Research papers and www.iodine4health.com are the two websites that (the group owner) has directed people to most frequently.From what I understand the Iodine Protocol (basic dosages, companion nutrients including unrefined salt & salt loading) that is discussed here comes directly from Dr. Brownstein and was used by as a component in her journey to healing from cancer as she discusses on her website about that journey - www.naturalthyroidchoices.com. She has offered in the past, perhaps before you joined the group, that her purpose in owning & moderating this group is to give back. Many of benefitted because of her commitment to sharing this information and her inspiring journey to health!From what I can tell the components of the iodine protocol have not changed from Dr. Brownstein's recommendations but the dosages have always varied due to each individuals health situation as does the potential for detox and that is where this support forum comes in ~ to help people be aware of what is happening when their body receives this important nutrient and how to 'ride the storm' when things start working and the body is getting rid of bromides, heavy metals, pathogens, etc...The research papers on the Optimox site and Dr. Brownstein's protocol that appears to be a product of that research are the most current that can be found on an online search. Dr. Brownstein's books, newsletter and website are a continuation of what he is learning since then. is a patient of and works with Dr. Brownstein so is able to provide this forum with his current thoughts and responses to things such as the Japan nuclear reactor incident. There are other physicians that write about iodine... Dr. & Dr. Sircus are just a couple that get brought up here now and then. Dr. has a very long history with using iodine of various forms and dosages in his practice but this forum mostly sticks to discussing the Iodine Protocol put forth by Dr. Brownstein. Nothing wrong with that! :-)Historically other doctors have used large doses of Lugol's solution, up to 100 to 200 mg per day ~ Dr. Orian Truss and Dr. Max Gerson are just a couple that a person can find information about on the internet. However the recent research (Optimox) showed the need and benefit of what are called 'companion supplements' that is part of Brownstein's protocol.Hope this gives you some more perspective and the opportunity to check out other writings about iodine, while keeping in mind the focus of this forum.> >> > Hello:> > > > I read somewhere that a morbidly obese person might need MORE Iodine but I> > forget exactly what that was.> > > > Has anyone read this somewhere?> > > > Thanks,> > Bonnie> >>

[Guest guest]

Bonnie,Make sure you are taking the companion nutrients with it. If you get palpitations, you might need extra magnesium and it could be detox, so do the salt loading as soon as the palpitations start. Donna in IL From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Bonnie ColeSent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 2:08 PMiodine Subject: RE: Re: Resending this+Obesity & Lugol's dosage Thank you very much for your generosity in this eloquent detailed explanation. I have much to learn still. It's a scarey journey to take a supplement that I'm not even sure, it won't give me palpatations for one thing. But all the support here has given me the confidence to push forward. I am so grateful. Bonnie From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of baxroxSent: September 6, 2011 2:28 PMiodine Subject: Re: Resending this+Obesity & Lugol's dosage Bonnie,Historically on this forum the Optimox Research papers and www.iodine4health.com are the two websites that (the group owner) has directed people to most frequently.From what I understand the Iodine Protocol (basic dosages, companion nutrients including unrefined salt & salt loading) that is discussed here comes directly from Dr. Brownstein and was used by as a component in her journey to healing from cancer as she discusses on her website about that journey - www.naturalthyroidchoices.com. She has offered in the past, perhaps before you joined the group, that her purpose in owning & moderating this group is to give back. Many of benefitted because of her commitment to sharing this information and her inspiring journey to health!From what I can tell the components of the iodine protocol have not changed from Dr. Brownstein's recommendations but the dosages have always varied due to each individuals health situation as does the potential for detox and that is where this support forum comes in ~ to help people be aware of what is happening when their body receives this important nutrient and how to 'ride the storm' when things start working and the body is getting rid of bromides, heavy metals, pathogens, etc...The research papers on the Optimox site and Dr. Brownstein's protocol that appears to be a product of that research are the most current that can be found on an online search. Dr. Brownstein's books, newsletter and website are a continuation of what he is learning since then. is a patient of and works with Dr. Brownstein so is able to provide this forum with his current thoughts and responses to things such as the Japan nuclear reactor incident. There are other physicians that write about iodine... Dr. & Dr. Sircus are just a couple that get brought up here now and then. Dr. has a very long history with using iodine of various forms and dosages in his practice but this forum mostly sticks to discussing the Iodine Protocol put forth by Dr. Brownstein. Nothing wrong with that! :-)Historically other doctors have used large doses of Lugol's solution, up to 100 to 200 mg per day ~ Dr. Orian Truss and Dr. Max Gerson are just a couple that a person can find information about on the internet. However the recent research (Optimox) showed the need and benefit of what are called 'companion supplements' that is part of Brownstein's protocol.Hope this gives you some more perspective and the opportunity to check out other writings about iodine, while keeping in mind the focus of this forum.> >> > Hello:> > > > I read somewhere that a morbidly obese person might need MORE Iodine but I> > forget exactly what that was.> > > > Has anyone read this somewhere?> > > > Thanks,> > Bonnie> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Donna and thanks very much.

I am VERY SURPRISED that I have had no detox symptoms as I am SENSITIVE and REACT to so many things. It's like the Calm before the Storm. I keep hoping nothing happens but I should maybe just stay at 50 mg. I just don't know enough about this Iodine and what it can and cannot do.

I'm taking everything but still worry.

Bonnie

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Donna IlerSent: September 6, 2011 5:03 PMiodine Subject: RE: Re: Resending this+Obesity & Lugol's dosage

Bonnie,

Make sure you are taking the companion nutrients with it. If you get palpitations, you might need extra magnesium and it could be detox, so do the salt loading as soon as the palpitations start.

Donna in IL

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Bonnie ColeSent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 2:08 PMiodine Subject: RE: Re: Resending this+Obesity & Lugol's dosage

Thank you very much for your generosity in this eloquent detailed explanation. I have much to learn still.

It's a scarey journey to take a supplement that I'm not even sure, it won't give me palpatations for one thing. But all the support here has given me the confidence to push forward.

I am so grateful.

Bonnie

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of baxroxSent: September 6, 2011 2:28 PMiodine Subject: Re: Resending this+Obesity & Lugol's dosage

Bonnie,Historically on this forum the Optimox Research papers and www.iodine4health.com are the two websites that (the group owner) has directed people to most frequently.From what I understand the Iodine Protocol (basic dosages, companion nutrients including unrefined salt & salt loading) that is discussed here comes directly from Dr. Brownstein and was used by as a component in her journey to healing from cancer as she discusses on her website about that journey - www.naturalthyroidchoices.com. She has offered in the past, perhaps before you joined the group, that her purpose in owning & moderating this group is to give back. Many of benefitted because of her commitment to sharing this information and her inspiring journey to health!From what I can tell the components of the iodine protocol have not changed from Dr. Brownstein's recommendations but the dosages have always varied due to each individuals health situation as does the potential for detox and that is where this support forum comes in ~ to help people be aware of what is happening when their body receives this important nutrient and how to 'ride the storm' when things start working and the body is getting rid of bromides, heavy metals, pathogens, etc...The research papers on the Optimox site and Dr. Brownstein's protocol that appears to be a product of that research are the most current that can be found on an online search. Dr. Brownstein's books, newsletter and website are a continuation of what he is learning since then. is a patient of and works with Dr. Brownstein so is able to provide this forum with his current thoughts and responses to things such as the Japan nuclear reactor incident. There are other physicians that write about iodine... Dr. & Dr. Sircus are just a couple that get brought up here now and then. Dr. has a very long history with using iodine of various forms and dosages in his practice but this forum mostly sticks to discussing the Iodine Protocol put forth by Dr. Brownstein. Nothing wrong with that! :-)Historically other doctors have used large doses of Lugol's solution, up to 100 to 200 mg per day ~ Dr. Orian Truss and Dr. Max Gerson are just a couple that a person can find information about on the internet. However the recent research (Optimox) showed the need and benefit of what are called 'companion supplements' that is part of Brownstein's protocol.Hope this gives you some more perspective and the opportunity to check out other writings about iodine, while keeping in mind the focus of this forum.> >> > Hello:> > > > I read somewhere that a morbidly obese person might need MORE Iodine but I> > forget exactly what that was.> > > > Has anyone read this somewhere?> > > > Thanks,> > Bonnie> >>

[Guest guest]

The website, www.iodine4health.com has a lot of stuff on it. Some of it is

useful, some of it is

not. It was compiled a number of years ago when the iodine protocol was barely

beginning to

be developed, and any article that discussed iodine was put on that website.

But many of the

articles are based in the medical fraud about iodine, the lies about iodine,

lies that have led to

widespread iodine deficiency and corresponding chronic and acute illnesses. So

for those of

you who are not accustomed to reading scientific articles, you're better off

sticking to the

material at the www.optimox.com website than trying to delve into the

www.iodine4health.com website. But if you do read the articles at

iodine4health, just keep in

mind at all times that there are articles on that site that are

false/incorrect/untrue.

--

>

> Bonnie,

>

> Historically on this forum the Optimox Research papers and

> www.iodine4health.com are the two websites that (the group

> owner) has directed people to most frequently.

>

> From what I understand the Iodine Protocol (basic dosages, companion

> nutrients including unrefined salt & salt loading) that is discussed

> here comes directly from Dr. Brownstein and was used by as a

> component in her journey to healing from cancer as she discusses on

> her website about that journey - www.naturalthyroidchoices.com. She

> has offered in the past, perhaps before you joined the group, that her

> purpose in owning & moderating this group is to give back. Many of

> benefitted because of her commitment to sharing this information and

> her inspiring journey to health!

>

> From what I can tell the components of the iodine protocol have not

> changed from Dr. Brownstein's recommendations but the dosages have

> always varied due to each individuals health situation as does the

> potential for detox and that is where this support forum comes in ~ to

> help people be aware of what is happening when their body receives

> this important nutrient and how to 'ride the storm' when things start

> working and the body is getting rid of bromides, heavy metals,

> pathogens, etc...

>

> The research papers on the Optimox site and Dr. Brownstein's protocol

> that appears to be a product of that research are the most current

> that can be found on an online search. Dr. Brownstein's books,

> newsletter and website are a continuation of what he is learning since

> then. is a patient of and works with Dr. Brownstein so is

> able to provide this forum with his current thoughts and responses to

> things such as the Japan nuclear reactor incident.

>

> There are other physicians that write about iodine... Dr. & Dr.

> Sircus are just a couple that get brought up here now and then. Dr.

> has a very long history with using iodine of various forms and

> dosages in his practice but this forum mostly sticks to discussing the

> Iodine Protocol put forth by Dr. Brownstein. Nothing wrong with that!

> :-)

>

> Historically other doctors have used large doses of Lugol's solution,

> up to 100 to 200 mg per day ~ Dr. Orian Truss and Dr. Max Gerson are

> just a couple that a person can find information about on the

> internet. However the recent research (Optimox) showed the need and

> benefit of what are called 'companion supplements' that is part of

> Brownstein's protocol.

>

> Hope this gives you some more perspective and the opportunity to check

> out other writings about iodine, while keeping in mind the focus of

> this forum.

>

> > > > > Hello: > > > > I read somewhere that a morbidly obese

> person might need MORE Iodine but I > > forget exactly what that was.

> > > > > Has anyone read this somewhere? > > > > Thanks, > > Bonnie > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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