Guest guest Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011  Hi , I would take the supplement. That way you know you are getting the amount you need. And yes, nuts can be hard on the liver for some people. I personally won't take a yeast based Selenium, however. Best, Kathleen For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email bodyiodine Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 10:45 PM Bek, this is for you incase you can't find this in the Files. was kind enough to put this in an email form for us. Best, Kathleen For any members who cannot d/l or access the Files on the website:Below is appended the New Member Document. This contains all the info youneed to get started. Please read, and then ask questions thatremain. Thank you :)Iodine information to get you started Commonly Asked Questions.1. Forms of Iodine2. How much Iodine do I need to take?3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?5. How long should I take Iodine?6. Where can I buy Iodoral?7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?8. What are the sources of Bromide?9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so Imust be very deficient.10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYA Proposed Mechanism for the Development of Autoimmune Thyroid DisordersWhat Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessHow to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders14. My TSH went up on Iodine.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.19. Recommended Reading.1. Forms of Iodinea. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified or Atomidine) Based onEdgar Cayce's "energized" iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1%concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electro-magnetically transmuted(while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild acid solution) intothe Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 mcg or .150 mg of Iodine. This form willnot saturate body tissues and has not been proven to detox halides such asbromide, fluoride, chloride, and mercury, as other forms have.b. Iosol 1830 mcg / drop of Iodine onlyc. Prolamine (Standard Process) 3 mgs Iodine onlyd. Lugol's liquid Iodine / Potassium Iodide 2% and 5%solutions. 5% solution is 6.25 mgs / drop.e. Iodoral Lugol's formula in pill form Iodine / PotassiumIodide - 12.5 mgs & 50 mgs2. How much Iodine do I need to take?There are no amounts that can be given as a blanketrecommendation. Everyone needs different amounts based on their body'sability to utilize the nutrients as well as the level of toxic halideexposure they have each day. If you are dealing with a severe healthcondition then your dosages would need to be higher than those trying tomaintain good health.a. Maintenance It was once believed that a good maintenance dose is25 mgs per day. But with more information being gained about the exposuresto halides bombarding our systems (bromides, fluorides, chlorine) as wellas mercury, etc., maintenance of health may require higher doses ofiodine. The iodine doctors are now beginning to believe that 50 mgs may bethe minimum required dose.b. Cancer Cancer is a result of mutated cells. Iodine is absolutelycritical for something called P53 gene which is known as the "keeper of thegenetic code". Without iodine and selenium it will not function toeliminate abnormal cells from the body such as cancer. Cancer patientshave taken anywhere from 50 300 mgs / day successfully. Here is a goodarticle on how P53 works with the mdm2 in cancer<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm For information on the P53 and Iodine see the Minerals for the Genetic Codebook.c. Children These are the levels that I gave my children at thevarious ages. This is not meant to be a recommendation but a guideline forwhat was safe for my (Dr. Buist) children and others I have been in contactwith.i. Up to 3 years 3 drops of Detoxified Iodine(<http://www.iodinesource.com>www.iodinesource.com) per day or take 1 dropof 5% Lugol's solution in water and then take ½ of the water and give itto the child. This results in 3.125 mgs / dose.ii. 3yrs to 5 yrs 6.25 mgs of Iodoral or 1 drop 5% LugolsSolution(6.25 mgs)iii. 5 yrs to 9 yrs 12.5 mgs of Iodoral or 2 drops 5% LugolsSolution (12.5 mgs)iv. 9 yrs to 16 yrs 25 mgs of Iodoral or 4 drops 5% LugolsSolution (25 mgs)v. 16 yrs and up will depend on health issues, weight, etcand cannot be given in generalities. Dosages range from 12.5 mgs to 300 mgs.3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.These are required to support the body while supplementing with iodine:a. Vit C 2,000 5,000 mgs / day supports the symporters andassists as an antioxidant to detoxing.b. Selenium 200 400 mcg / day needed for detoxification andthyroid hormone creation.c. Unrefined salt (Celtic) ½ tsp / day supports adrenals, bindsto bromide and assists in removal, supports symporters (sodium iodinesymporters or NIS)d. Magnesium 400 mgs / day critical for over 300 enzyme reactionsin the body.e. Optional ATP CoFactors -1 tablet 2x / day when individualscontinue to feel fatigued or have autoimmune thyroid disease this productcan assist in increasing ATP (energy) within the cells. Riboflavin andno-flush niacin.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?a. Iodine should be taken with food. This seems to enhanceabsorption as well as protecting sensitive stomachs from a potential upset.b. The supporting nutrients can be taken with iodine and withfood. There is no spacing or timing required.c. Iodine should be taken earlier in the day (before 2 pm) becausefor some it increases energy so much that they are unable to sleep.5. How long should I take Iodine?Dr. Abraham has states that it should take 6 months of 50 mgs to reach 90%saturation. However, as testing has become more widely available, it seemsto be taking individuals years to detox halides and allow the iodine toenter the cells. Consequently, there is no set time that a person canexpect to supplement and reach saturation levels.6. Where can I buy Iodoral?These are a few sources that have been found to be a good option.a. www.breastcancerchoices.org - ships internationally / freeshipping with larger ordersb. www.illnessisoptional.com - ships internationallyc. www.vrp.com - ships internationallyd. www.amazon.come. You can check Froogle (google shopping tool) to find the currentcosts of various suppliers http://tinyurl.com/49zvmrl7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?Perform the salt loading protocol when you are experiencing detoxificationsymptoms with iodine supplementation. **Note that you should not need todo this for more than 3 days. If you do then you need to reduce yourdosing of iodine.1/2 tsp celtic (or other unrefined) salt in 1/2 cup of warm waterFollow the above with a glass of 12 oz filtered water.** Repeat every 30-45 minutes as needed until urination begins.Why does this help?Salt - containing chloride - binds to the bromide in the blood stream andcarries it out through the kidneys.8. What are the sources of Bromide?Over and over people come to the Iodine group claiming that they can'tpossibly be toxic in bromide because they are gluten free, eat a cleandiet, etc. Guess what? It isn't diet related in most cases. Bromide is aflame retardant that is used in and on many items around you. Theseinclude carpeting, furniture, mattresses, clothing, computers, iPhones, andautomobiles just to name a few. Food sources can include items likebaked goods that contain brominated flour or vegetable oil as well as softdrinks like Mountain Dew and other citrus based sodas. It can also befound in some Gatorade products. For many years it was used in the form ofMethyl Bromide as a pesticide on strawberries.9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly soI must be very deficient.Not necessarily. The patch test isn't very scientific and many factors gointo why it disappears. Read the following article by Dr. Abraham for moreinformation<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.This has been happening to people taking 50 mgs or more of Iodoral. It hasbeen rectified by adding a B6 Complex along with an iron supplement tohelp restore ferritin to normal levels. It is thought to occur due to anincrease in metabolic rate that requires more iron. Sufficient ferritinlevels (60-70) are needed to create and utilize thyroid hormones.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.Unfortunately this can occur in those that are very toxic in halides likebromide. If your detoxification pathways are not able to eliminate thetoxins being released by iodine then your body will buffer them with waterand fat. It may be due, in part, to lowered calcium levels as well asmagnesium, vit D, and B Vitamins. All work to maintain balance in thecells and eliminate toxins.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?While iodine does seem to pull out mercury from the cells / tissues of thebody, there has been no indication that it is dangerous to take iodinewhile amalgams remain in the body. If there is concern, supplements likecilantro, chlorella and others can be used to help bind and carry themercury out of the body. Consulting with a good holistic / biologicaldentist as well as an alternative medicine doctor can help to assess yourtoxicity level and assist you in safe removal of amalgams and chelation.13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Dr. Brownstein believes that low iodine is one the key causes inautoimmune thyroid disease. The following is an excerpt from Dr.Brownstein's Iodine book.THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY ANDANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYChapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of theiodinated form of lactone ( - Iodolactone).- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its productionis also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification of iodine.As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occursthrough the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product inorder to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organificationcan occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroidhormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3,this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinatedlipids-iodolactone.Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand,-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. Ifthere is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequateamounts of -iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroidcell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such asHashimoto's or Graves' disease.A Proposed Mechanism for the Development ofAutoimmune Thyroid DisordersThe NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. Themitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondriaproduce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidativephosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiarwith oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many stepsresponsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many itemsincluding: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatiguesyndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP isthe molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantlyproducing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that isbeyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2(riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidativephosphorylation and ATP production.Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is thisproduction of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidationprocess of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide toform iodine.If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDAfor iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produceiodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of -iodolactoneand other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the 'brake' in the pathwayto oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too muchhydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessThe body's response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO oranti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto's disease requires thepresence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surroundingproteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulinwill result in the body producing antibodies againstthyroglobulinanti-thyroglobulin antibodies.In most cases of Hashimoto's disease, there are antibodies to both TPO andthyroglobulin present. Although Graves' disease may also possess thesesame antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosisof Graves' disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that thetreatment for both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease can follow a similarcourse with similar positive outcomes.How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate toiodinate lipids.2. Take Vitamins B2 (Riboflavin) and B3 (Niacin) in amountsnecessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria withantioxidants.4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels.5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body.14. My TSH went up on Iodine.This is a common occurrence when a person starts to take iodine after beingdeficient. The body increases TSH to stimulate production of thyroglobulinwhich is used to bind to the iodine in thyroid hormoneproduction. Individuals can have TSH levels as high as 75 for up to 6months without clinical signs of hypothyroidism. The best values to checkwith labs if there is a concern are the Free T3 and Free T4. You will findin most cases that the "frees" are nicely within the ranges.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Iodine is used by every gland and mucosal lining and is needed to healthe adrenals. You should also use unrefined salt to support them as wellas Vitamin C. Other products such as ashwaganda, licorice root, adrenalglandulars and in severe conditions a doctor can prescribe hydrocortisoneto replace the body's deficiency.16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.The best resource for breast cancer is<http://www.breastcancerchoices.org>www.breastcancerchoices.org which is anon-profit organization run by Lynne Farrow who is a breast cancersurvivor. They are dedicated to the grass roots research into iodine'seffectiveness as treatment.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.As the years have gone by members of the group have been testing relativelyhigh in their saturation levels with the Iodine loading tests. This isusually met with jubilation that they are at a good level. But wait! Thisisn't a place to stop. A bromide level test has become available and canbe added to the loading test. This is highly recommended because it givesa clearer picture of what the TRUE status of the saturation level is. As ageneral rule if you see a higher saturation level (80% or above) with abromide level over 10 mgs/L (the upper limit of normal per Dr. Guy Abraham)you are bromide toxic and the receptors that would normally be able to pulliodine into the cells cannot because bromide is blocking thereceptors. This will result in a high level of iodine being eliminated inthe urine indicating (falsely) that you are more saturated than youare. Persons with results such as these should consider supplementing withLugol's or Iodoral in doses of 50 mgs or more for 6 mos to 1 year and thenretest Iodine Loading and Bromide levels to see what the new statusis. Dr. Abraham has stated that this amount of time is needed to makesignificant progress in detoxing and to build saturation in thecells. After supplementing for 6 mos to 1 year, the trend has been to seesaturation levels go down while bromide elimination levels increase.Another reason for a false high reading in saturation levels is due todefects in the symporters of the cells. Dr. Abraham addresses this on hiswebsite at<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm which suggests the usage of Vitamin C to heal symporters.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.It is recommended that you order both the 24 hour loading and bromide leveltest. We recommend this because you may obtain a high saturation level andbelieve that your levels are fine when in fact bromide toxicity will blockthe iodine receptors not allowing iodine to enter the cell which results inan elimination of iodine when it is needed / deficient thus skewing thetest results.The following list is a compilation of resources for obtaining the Iodineloading test.Hakala Research885 Parfet Street Unit ELakewood, CO 80215877.238.1779*** It is not recommended that you do the spot test as this is only anindicator of how much iodine is in the diet and offers no real value to thebody saturation. The two asterisk items are the recommended tests.** Iodine Loading Kit Only $70Iodine Spot Level Kit Only $70Iodine Spot and Loading Kit $95** Bromide Level Testing (must be combined with one of the above kits) $35Test prices do not include return shipping.They now also offer iodine serum/saliva testing to check for Organification/ Oxidation issues as well as symporter defects. The test is available twoways:1. 24 hour Iodine loading test plus the serum saliva ratio cost: $155.00.2. Serum saliva ratio without the urine test cost: $110.00.The serum/saliva ratio gives the degree of usage of iodine within the cell,if the ratio is below normal this signifies a symporter defect (NIS) whilea higher than normal ratio points to an organification problem.According to Dr. Abrahams articles the symporter can be repaired using 3 gmof slow release Vitamin C per day, the organification issue responds to ATPCoFactors (Riboflavin 100mg + NoFlush Niacin 500mg) twice daily.=============================================================================FFP LabsDr. Jorg Flechas MD80 Doctors Drive Ste 3ville, NC 28792(1-877-900-5556)The cost of this test is $80.If it is not ordered by a physician you must tell them you are ordering iton your own and they will assign you to a nurse practitioner. When you getthe results of this test you can receive a free consultation with Dr. Flechas.You may also obtain a urine spot test for an additional $30 for a total of$110 for both tests.Spot / Loading / Bromide test can be obtained for $230=============================================================================Vitamin Research Products** As of the last time this test was reviewed no bromide testing is available.<http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137>http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137 $100 for both the spot and loading test.Kit requires an ordering physician.=============================================================================Doctors Data** This lab does not seem to report in the manner that is described in Dr.Abraham's research so it is difficult to determine true saturation andbromide levels.Pre and post loading - requires an ordering physician.<http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118>http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118 ====================================================================================ZRT LaboratoriesThis is a new test that is not performed in the manner outlined by Dr.Abraham, Dr Brownstein or Dr. Flechas which has been used effectively sincethe 1990's. It has not been proven to correlate with the health conditionsof those with iodine deficiency and does not offer a bromide level testwhich is critical in determining how accurate the saturation level is. Atthis point the Iodine group does not recommend this test.19. Recommended Reading.Many of the questions asked over and over are covered in these referencematerials. Please familiarize yourself with them to help with limiting therepetition of information on the group.a. Dr Brownstein Iodine Why You Need It, Why You Can't LiveWithout it <http://www.drbrownstein.com>www.drbrownstein.comb. Dr. Brownstein Salt Your Way To Healthc. Dr. Derry Breast Cancer and Iodine: How to Prevent andHow to Survive Breast Cancer<http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm>http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm d. <http://www.optimox.com>www.optimox.com - Research by Dr. GuyAbraham the founder of The Iodine Projecte. <http://www.iodine4health.com>www.iodine4health.com - The IodineGroup's repository for Iodine research.20. INDEXAdrenal fatigue, 6Antibodies, 5Atomidine iodine. See Detoxified iodineATP, 3, 5ATP CoFactorsas optional supporting nutrient, 2physiology, 5Autoimmune thyroid diseasesmechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause, 4Breast cancer, 6Bromide testingin combination with iodine loading test, 6ordering, 7, 8second testing, 6Bromides. See also Detoxificationand the iodine loading test, 6and weight gain, 4bombarding our systems, 2normal levels of, 6sources of, 3Calcium, weight gain and, 4Cancerbreast cancer, 6how much iodine to take, 2Celtic sea salt. See Salt, unrefinedChelation, mercury amalgam fillings and, 4Children, how much iodine to take, 2Chlorine, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Companion nutrients. See Supporting nutrients requiredDental mercury amalgam fillings, 4Detoxificationforms of iodine not producing, 1length of time expected for, 3symptoms of, salt loading protocol to alleviate, 3Detoxified iodineamount of iodine in, 1for children under 3 years, 2Doctors Data (laboratory), 8Ferritin levels dropping, 4FFP Labs, 8Flame retardants, as source of bromides, 3Fluoride, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Foodas source of bromides, 3taking supplements with, 3Forms of iodine, 1Free T3, and rise in TSH, 6Free T4, and rise in TSH, 6Graves' diseaseantibodies and, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause of, 5Hakala Research (laboratory), 7Halides. See also Bromides; Detoxificationlist of types of, 2Hashimoto's disease, 4cause underlying, 4mechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6How much iodine to takecancer, 2children, 2maintenance, 2with false saturation results, 6Iodinated lipids, 5Iodinedosage. See How much iodine to takeforms of, 1saturation with. See Saturation with iodinetesting. See Iodine Loading Testwhen to take, 3Iodine Loading Testand bromides, effect on results of, 6ordered with Bromide Levels Test, 7ordering, 7, 8second testing, time for, 6Iodine Spot Test, 7, 8Iodoralamount of iodine per tablet, 1how much to take, 2where to buy, 3Iosol, 1Length of time to take iodine, 3Lugol's liquid iodineamount of iodine per drop, 1how much to take, 2Magnascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineMagnesiumas supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2weight gain and, 4Mercuryamalgam fillings in teeth, 4bombarding our systems, 2Nascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineNiacinas optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6no-flush, amount to take, 7physiology and, 5Oxidation/organification of iodineATP CoFactors to treat, 7physiology, 4test to check function of, 7Patch test on skin, 4Phosphorylation, 5Prolamine (Standard Process), 1Resourcescancer and iodine, 2Dr. Brownstein books, 9Dr. Derry article, 9Dr. Guy Abraham articles (Optimox site), 9Iodine Group's iodine research site, 9skin patch test, 4where to buy Iodoral, 3www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6Riboflavinamount to take, 7as optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6physiology and, 5Salt loading protocol, 3Salt, unrefinedadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2function in body, 2, 3in salt loading protocol, 3Saturation with iodineand false readings, 6Detoxified iodine not providing, 1Seleniumand cancer, 2as supporting nutrient, 2Skin patch test, 4Supporting nutrients requiredamounts and functions, 2when to take, 3Symporter defectsand false high reading in saturation levels, 7test for, 7Vitamin C in treatment of, 7T3, free. See Free T4T4, free. See Free T4Thyroglobulin, 5, 6Thyroid hormonesferritin in production of, 4iodine in production of, 5, 6selenium in production of, 2TSH rising and, 6Timefor second round of testing, 6length of, to take iodine, 3of day, to take supplements, 3TPO, 5TSH rise, following iodine supplementation, 6Vitamin B group, and weight gain, 4Vitamin B2. See RiboflavinVitamin B3. See NiacinVitamin Cadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, 2symporter defects healing with, 7Vitamin D, 4Vitamin Research Products, 8Weight gain, 4www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6ZRT Laboratories, 8~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I'm allergic to yeast, so I can't take yeast-based supplements. One size never fits all.AnneOn Aug 31, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Butts wrote: My doc said to stop taking Brazil Nuts that they are too hard on the liver (or kidney)---And to just take yeast based Selenium tablets---I know a lot of you are very knowledgeable---do you have an opinion on that? I would rather take the nuts, but---can do either---Thank you--- From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of HillSent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 1:07 PMiodine Subject: Re: For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email body I read all of this in the files yes.I never saw as i said anywhere where it states how much to start on, how to increase at what dose. I am very concerned that this will make me ill, and feel even worse.But i started on 27 mgs. I did see to max out at 50 mgs. So i will ramp up i guess to 50 mgs.And thanks for all your work and thanks to too. Many thanks.I am taking the C, mag, and am eating several Brazil nuts daily to give me the selenium. I think the nuts are enough selenium. I hope.If you don't think so, will you plz let me know. I will then get some selenium.Thanks again. Bek From: Kathleen Blake <kathleenblake@...>Subject: For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email bodyiodine Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 10:45 PM Bek, this is for you incase you can't find this in the Files. was kind enough to put this in an email form for us. Best, Kathleen For any members who cannot d/l or access the Files on the website:Below is appended the New Member Document. This contains all the info youneed to get started. Please read, and then ask questions thatremain. Thank you :)Iodine information to get you started Commonly Asked Questions.1. Forms of Iodine2. How much Iodine do I need to take?3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?5. How long should I take Iodine?6. Where can I buy Iodoral?7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?8. What are the sources of Bromide?9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so Imust be very deficient.10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYA Proposed Mechanism for the Development of Autoimmune Thyroid DisordersWhat Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessHow to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders14. My TSH went up on Iodine.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.19. Recommended Reading.1. Forms of Iodinea. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified or Atomidine) Based onEdgar Cayce's "energized" iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1%concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electro-magnetically transmuted(while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild acid solution) intothe Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 mcg or .150 mg of Iodine. This form willnot saturate body tissues and has not been proven to detox halides such asbromide, fluoride, chloride, and mercury, as other forms have.b. Iosol 1830 mcg / drop of Iodine onlyc. Prolamine (Standard Process) 3 mgs Iodine onlyd. Lugol's liquid Iodine / Potassium Iodide 2% and 5%solutions. 5% solution is 6.25 mgs / drop.e. Iodoral Lugol's formula in pill form Iodine / PotassiumIodide - 12.5 mgs & 50 mgs2. How much Iodine do I need to take?There are no amounts that can be given as a blanketrecommendation. Everyone needs different amounts based on their body'sability to utilize the nutrients as well as the level of toxic halideexposure they have each day. If you are dealing with a severe healthcondition then your dosages would need to be higher than those trying tomaintain good health.a. Maintenance It was once believed that a good maintenance dose is25 mgs per day. But with more information being gained about the exposuresto halides bombarding our systems (bromides, fluorides, chlorine) as wellas mercury, etc., maintenance of health may require higher doses ofiodine. The iodine doctors are now beginning to believe that 50 mgs may bethe minimum required dose.b. Cancer Cancer is a result of mutated cells. Iodine is absolutelycritical for something called P53 gene which is known as the "keeper of thegenetic code". Without iodine and selenium it will not function toeliminate abnormal cells from the body such as cancer. Cancer patientshave taken anywhere from 50 300 mgs / day successfully. Here is a goodarticle on how P53 works with the mdm2 in cancer<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm For information on the P53 and Iodine see the Minerals for the Genetic Codebook.c. Children These are the levels that I gave my children at thevarious ages. This is not meant to be a recommendation but a guideline forwhat was safe for my (Dr. Buist) children and others I have been in contactwith.i. Up to 3 years 3 drops of Detoxified Iodine(<http://www.iodinesource.com>www.iodinesource.com) per day or take 1 dropof 5% Lugol's solution in water and then take ½ of the water and give itto the child. This results in 3.125 mgs / dose.ii. 3yrs to 5 yrs 6.25 mgs of Iodoral or 1 drop 5% LugolsSolution(6.25 mgs)iii. 5 yrs to 9 yrs 12.5 mgs of Iodoral or 2 drops 5% LugolsSolution (12.5 mgs)iv. 9 yrs to 16 yrs 25 mgs of Iodoral or 4 drops 5% LugolsSolution (25 mgs)v. 16 yrs and up will depend on health issues, weight, etcand cannot be given in generalities. Dosages range from 12.5 mgs to 300 mgs.3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.These are required to support the body while supplementing with iodine:a. Vit C 2,000 5,000 mgs / day supports the symporters andassists as an antioxidant to detoxing.b. Selenium 200 400 mcg / day needed for detoxification andthyroid hormone creation.c. Unrefined salt (Celtic) ½ tsp / day supports adrenals, bindsto bromide and assists in removal, supports symporters (sodium iodinesymporters or NIS)d. Magnesium 400 mgs / day critical for over 300 enzyme reactionsin the body.e. Optional ATP CoFactors -1 tablet 2x / day when individualscontinue to feel fatigued or have autoimmune thyroid disease this productcan assist in increasing ATP (energy) within the cells. Riboflavin andno-flush niacin.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?a. Iodine should be taken with food. This seems to enhanceabsorption as well as protecting sensitive stomachs from a potential upset.b. The supporting nutrients can be taken with iodine and withfood. There is no spacing or timing required.c. Iodine should be taken earlier in the day (before 2 pm) becausefor some it increases energy so much that they are unable to sleep.5. How long should I take Iodine?Dr. Abraham has states that it should take 6 months of 50 mgs to reach 90%saturation. However, as testing has become more widely available, it seemsto be taking individuals years to detox halides and allow the iodine toenter the cells. Consequently, there is no set time that a person canexpect to supplement and reach saturation levels.6. Where can I buy Iodoral?These are a few sources that have been found to be a good option.a. www.breastcancerchoices.org - ships internationally / freeshipping with larger ordersb. www.illnessisoptional.com - ships internationallyc. www.vrp.com - ships internationallyd. www.amazon.come. You can check Froogle (google shopping tool) to find the currentcosts of various suppliers http://tinyurl.com/49zvmrl7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?Perform the salt loading protocol when you are experiencing detoxificationsymptoms with iodine supplementation. **Note that you should not need todo this for more than 3 days. If you do then you need to reduce yourdosing of iodine.1/2 tsp celtic (or other unrefined) salt in 1/2 cup of warm waterFollow the above with a glass of 12 oz filtered water.** Repeat every 30-45 minutes as needed until urination begins.Why does this help?Salt - containing chloride - binds to the bromide in the blood stream andcarries it out through the kidneys.8. What are the sources of Bromide?Over and over people come to the Iodine group claiming that they can'tpossibly be toxic in bromide because they are gluten free, eat a cleandiet, etc. Guess what? It isn't diet related in most cases. Bromide is aflame retardant that is used in and on many items around you. Theseinclude carpeting, furniture, mattresses, clothing, computers, iPhones, andautomobiles just to name a few. Food sources can include items likebaked goods that contain brominated flour or vegetable oil as well as softdrinks like Mountain Dew and other citrus based sodas. It can also befound in some Gatorade products. For many years it was used in the form ofMethyl Bromide as a pesticide on strawberries.9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly soI must be very deficient.Not necessarily. The patch test isn't very scientific and many factors gointo why it disappears. Read the following article by Dr. Abraham for moreinformation<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.This has been happening to people taking 50 mgs or more of Iodoral. It hasbeen rectified by adding a B6 Complex along with an iron supplement tohelp restore ferritin to normal levels. It is thought to occur due to anincrease in metabolic rate that requires more iron. Sufficient ferritinlevels (60-70) are needed to create and utilize thyroid hormones.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.Unfortunately this can occur in those that are very toxic in halides likebromide. If your detoxification pathways are not able to eliminate thetoxins being released by iodine then your body will buffer them with waterand fat. It may be due, in part, to lowered calcium levels as well asmagnesium, vit D, and B Vitamins. All work to maintain balance in thecells and eliminate toxins.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?While iodine does seem to pull out mercury from the cells / tissues of thebody, there has been no indication that it is dangerous to take iodinewhile amalgams remain in the body. If there is concern, supplements likecilantro, chlorella and others can be used to help bind and carry themercury out of the body. Consulting with a good holistic / biologicaldentist as well as an alternative medicine doctor can help to assess yourtoxicity level and assist you in safe removal of amalgams and chelation.13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Dr. Brownstein believes that low iodine is one the key causes inautoimmune thyroid disease. The following is an excerpt from Dr.Brownstein's Iodine book.THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY ANDANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYChapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of theiodinated form of lactone ( - Iodolactone).- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its productionis also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification of iodine.As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occursthrough the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product inorder to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organificationcan occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroidhormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3,this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinatedlipids-iodolactone.Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand,-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. Ifthere is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequateamounts of -iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroidcell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such asHashimoto's or Graves' disease.A Proposed Mechanism for the Development ofAutoimmune Thyroid DisordersThe NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. Themitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondriaproduce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidativephosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiarwith oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many stepsresponsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many itemsincluding: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatiguesyndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP isthe molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantlyproducing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that isbeyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2(riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidativephosphorylation and ATP production.Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is thisproduction of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidationprocess of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide toform iodine.If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDAfor iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produceiodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of -iodolactoneand other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the 'brake' in the pathwayto oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too muchhydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessThe body's response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO oranti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto's disease requires thepresence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surroundingproteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulinwill result in the body producing antibodies againstthyroglobulinanti-thyroglobulin antibodies.In most cases of Hashimoto's disease, there are antibodies to both TPO andthyroglobulin present. Although Graves' disease may also possess thesesame antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosisof Graves' disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that thetreatment for both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease can follow a similarcourse with similar positive outcomes.How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate toiodinate lipids.2. Take Vitamins B2 (Riboflavin) and B3 (Niacin) in amountsnecessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria withantioxidants.4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels.5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body.14. My TSH went up on Iodine.This is a common occurrence when a person starts to take iodine after beingdeficient. The body increases TSH to stimulate production of thyroglobulinwhich is used to bind to the iodine in thyroid hormoneproduction. Individuals can have TSH levels as high as 75 for up to 6months without clinical signs of hypothyroidism. The best values to checkwith labs if there is a concern are the Free T3 and Free T4. You will findin most cases that the "frees" are nicely within the ranges.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Iodine is used by every gland and mucosal lining and is needed to healthe adrenals. You should also use unrefined salt to support them as wellas Vitamin C. Other products such as ashwaganda, licorice root, adrenalglandulars and in severe conditions a doctor can prescribe hydrocortisoneto replace the body's deficiency.16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.The best resource for breast cancer is<http://www.breastcancerchoices.org>www.breastcancerchoices.org which is anon-profit organization run by Lynne Farrow who is a breast cancersurvivor. They are dedicated to the grass roots research into iodine'seffectiveness as treatment.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.As the years have gone by members of the group have been testing relativelyhigh in their saturation levels with the Iodine loading tests. This isusually met with jubilation that they are at a good level. But wait! Thisisn't a place to stop. A bromide level test has become available and canbe added to the loading test. This is highly recommended because it givesa clearer picture of what the TRUE status of the saturation level is. As ageneral rule if you see a higher saturation level (80% or above) with abromide level over 10 mgs/L (the upper limit of normal per Dr. Guy Abraham)you are bromide toxic and the receptors that would normally be able to pulliodine into the cells cannot because bromide is blocking thereceptors. This will result in a high level of iodine being eliminated inthe urine indicating (falsely) that you are more saturated than youare. Persons with results such as these should consider supplementing withLugol's or Iodoral in doses of 50 mgs or more for 6 mos to 1 year and thenretest Iodine Loading and Bromide levels to see what the new statusis. Dr. Abraham has stated that this amount of time is needed to makesignificant progress in detoxing and to build saturation in thecells. After supplementing for 6 mos to 1 year, the trend has been to seesaturation levels go down while bromide elimination levels increase.Another reason for a false high reading in saturation levels is due todefects in the symporters of the cells. Dr. Abraham addresses this on hiswebsite at<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm which suggests the usage of Vitamin C to heal symporters.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.It is recommended that you order both the 24 hour loading and bromide leveltest. We recommend this because you may obtain a high saturation level andbelieve that your levels are fine when in fact bromide toxicity will blockthe iodine receptors not allowing iodine to enter the cell which results inan elimination of iodine when it is needed / deficient thus skewing thetest results.The following list is a compilation of resources for obtaining the Iodineloading test.Hakala Research885 Parfet Street Unit ELakewood, CO 80215877.238.1779*** It is not recommended that you do the spot test as this is only anindicator of how much iodine is in the diet and offers no real value to thebody saturation. The two asterisk items are the recommended tests.** Iodine Loading Kit Only $70Iodine Spot Level Kit Only $70Iodine Spot and Loading Kit $95** Bromide Level Testing (must be combined with one of the above kits) $35Test prices do not include return shipping.They now also offer iodine serum/saliva testing to check for Organification/ Oxidation issues as well as symporter defects. The test is available twoways:1. 24 hour Iodine loading test plus the serum saliva ratio cost: $155.00.2. Serum saliva ratio without the urine test cost: $110.00.The serum/saliva ratio gives the degree of usage of iodine within the cell,if the ratio is below normal this signifies a symporter defect (NIS) whilea higher than normal ratio points to an organification problem.According to Dr. Abrahams articles the symporter can be repaired using 3 gmof slow release Vitamin C per day, the organification issue responds to ATPCoFactors (Riboflavin 100mg + NoFlush Niacin 500mg) twice daily.=============================================================================FFP LabsDr. Jorg Flechas MD80 Doctors Drive Ste 3ville, NC 28792(1-877-900-5556)The cost of this test is $80.If it is not ordered by a physician you must tell them you are ordering iton your own and they will assign you to a nurse practitioner. When you getthe results of this test you can receive a free consultation with Dr. Flechas.You may also obtain a urine spot test for an additional $30 for a total of$110 for both tests.Spot / Loading / Bromide test can be obtained for $230=============================================================================Vitamin Research Products** As of the last time this test was reviewed no bromide testing is available.<http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137>http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137 $100 for both the spot and loading test.Kit requires an ordering physician.=============================================================================Doctors Data** This lab does not seem to report in the manner that is described in Dr.Abraham's research so it is difficult to determine true saturation andbromide levels.Pre and post loading - requires an ordering physician.<http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118>http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118 ====================================================================================ZRT LaboratoriesThis is a new test that is not performed in the manner outlined by Dr.Abraham, Dr Brownstein or Dr. Flechas which has been used effectively sincethe 1990's. It has not been proven to correlate with the health conditionsof those with iodine deficiency and does not offer a bromide level testwhich is critical in determining how accurate the saturation level is. Atthis point the Iodine group does not recommend this test.19. Recommended Reading.Many of the questions asked over and over are covered in these referencematerials. Please familiarize yourself with them to help with limiting therepetition of information on the group.a. Dr Brownstein Iodine Why You Need It, Why You Can't LiveWithout it <http://www.drbrownstein.com>www.drbrownstein.comb. Dr. Brownstein Salt Your Way To Healthc. Dr. Derry Breast Cancer and Iodine: How to Prevent andHow to Survive Breast Cancer<http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm>http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm d. <http://www.optimox.com>www.optimox.com - Research by Dr. GuyAbraham the founder of The Iodine Projecte. <http://www.iodine4health.com>www.iodine4health.com - The IodineGroup's repository for Iodine research.20. INDEXAdrenal fatigue, 6Antibodies, 5Atomidine iodine. See Detoxified iodineATP, 3, 5ATP CoFactorsas optional supporting nutrient, 2physiology, 5Autoimmune thyroid diseasesmechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause, 4Breast cancer, 6Bromide testingin combination with iodine loading test, 6ordering, 7, 8second testing, 6Bromides. See also Detoxificationand the iodine loading test, 6and weight gain, 4bombarding our systems, 2normal levels of, 6sources of, 3Calcium, weight gain and, 4Cancerbreast cancer, 6how much iodine to take, 2Celtic sea salt. See Salt, unrefinedChelation, mercury amalgam fillings and, 4Children, how much iodine to take, 2Chlorine, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Companion nutrients. See Supporting nutrients requiredDental mercury amalgam fillings, 4Detoxificationforms of iodine not producing, 1length of time expected for, 3symptoms of, salt loading protocol to alleviate, 3Detoxified iodineamount of iodine in, 1for children under 3 years, 2Doctors Data (laboratory), 8Ferritin levels dropping, 4FFP Labs, 8Flame retardants, as source of bromides, 3Fluoride, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Foodas source of bromides, 3taking supplements with, 3Forms of iodine, 1Free T3, and rise in TSH, 6Free T4, and rise in TSH, 6Graves' diseaseantibodies and, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause of, 5Hakala Research (laboratory), 7Halides. See also Bromides; Detoxificationlist of types of, 2Hashimoto's disease, 4cause underlying, 4mechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6How much iodine to takecancer, 2children, 2maintenance, 2with false saturation results, 6Iodinated lipids, 5Iodinedosage. See How much iodine to takeforms of, 1saturation with. See Saturation with iodinetesting. See Iodine Loading Testwhen to take, 3Iodine Loading Testand bromides, effect on results of, 6ordered with Bromide Levels Test, 7ordering, 7, 8second testing, time for, 6Iodine Spot Test, 7, 8Iodoralamount of iodine per tablet, 1how much to take, 2where to buy, 3Iosol, 1Length of time to take iodine, 3Lugol's liquid iodineamount of iodine per drop, 1how much to take, 2Magnascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineMagnesiumas supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2weight gain and, 4Mercuryamalgam fillings in teeth, 4bombarding our systems, 2Nascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineNiacinas optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6no-flush, amount to take, 7physiology and, 5Oxidation/organification of iodineATP CoFactors to treat, 7physiology, 4test to check function of, 7Patch test on skin, 4Phosphorylation, 5Prolamine (Standard Process), 1Resourcescancer and iodine, 2Dr. Brownstein books, 9Dr. Derry article, 9Dr. Guy Abraham articles (Optimox site), 9Iodine Group's iodine research site, 9skin patch test, 4where to buy Iodoral, 3www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6Riboflavinamount to take, 7as optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6physiology and, 5Salt loading protocol, 3Salt, unrefinedadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2function in body, 2, 3in salt loading protocol, 3Saturation with iodineand false readings, 6Detoxified iodine not providing, 1Seleniumand cancer, 2as supporting nutrient, 2Skin patch test, 4Supporting nutrients requiredamounts and functions, 2when to take, 3Symporter defectsand false high reading in saturation levels, 7test for, 7Vitamin C in treatment of, 7T3, free. See Free T4T4, free. See Free T4Thyroglobulin, 5, 6Thyroid hormonesferritin in production of, 4iodine in production of, 5, 6selenium in production of, 2TSH rising and, 6Timefor second round of testing, 6length of, to take iodine, 3of day, to take supplements, 3TPO, 5TSH rise, following iodine supplementation, 6Vitamin B group, and weight gain, 4Vitamin B2. See RiboflavinVitamin B3. See NiacinVitamin Cadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, 2symporter defects healing with, 7Vitamin D, 4Vitamin Research Products, 8Weight gain, 4www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6ZRT Laboratories, 8~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Thanks Kathleen---for some reason that is what he said to take---and since I am also on Budwig Protocol, I can only take natural supplements---so it’s best for me to take the food based Selenium--- From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Kathleen BlakeSent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:04 PMiodine Subject: Re: Speaking of Selenium  Hi ,I would take the supplement. That way you know you are getting the amount you need. And yes, nuts can be hard on the liver for some people. I personally won't take a yeast based Selenium, however. Best, Kathleen For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email bodyiodine Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 10:45 PM Bek, this is for you incase you can't find this in the Files. was kind enough to put this in an email form for us. Best, Kathleen For any members who cannot d/l or access the Files on the website:Below is appended the New Member Document. This contains all the info youneed to get started. Please read, and then ask questions thatremain. Thank you :)Iodine information to get you started ÂCommonly Asked Questions.1. Forms of Iodine2. How much Iodine do I need to take?3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?5. How long should I take Iodine?6. Where can I buy Iodoral?7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?8. What are the sources of Bromide?9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so Imust be very deficient.10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYA Proposed Mechanism for the Development of Autoimmune Thyroid DisordersWhat Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessHow to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders14. My TSH went up on Iodine.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.19. Recommended Reading.1. Forms of Iodinea. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified or Atomidine)  Based onEdgar Cayce's " energized " iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1%concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electro-magnetically transmuted(while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild acid solution) intothe Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 mcg or .150 mg of Iodine. This form willnot saturate body tissues and has not been proven to detox halides such asbromide, fluoride, chloride, and mercury, as other forms have.b. Iosol  1830 mcg / drop of Iodine onlyc. Prolamine (Standard Process)  3 mgs Iodine onlyd. Lugol's liquid  Iodine / Potassium Iodide  2% and 5%solutions. 5% solution is 6.25 mgs / drop.e. Iodoral  Lugol's formula in pill form  Iodine / PotassiumIodide - 12.5 mgs & 50 mgs2. How much Iodine do I need to take?There are no amounts that can be given as a blanketrecommendation. Everyone needs different amounts based on their body'sability to utilize the nutrients as well as the level of toxic halideexposure they have each day. If you are dealing with a severe healthcondition then your dosages would need to be higher than those trying tomaintain good health.a. Maintenance  It was once believed that a good maintenance dose is25 mgs per day. But with more information being gained about the exposuresto halides bombarding our systems (bromides, fluorides, chlorine) as wellas mercury, etc., maintenance of health may require higher doses ofiodine. The iodine doctors are now beginning to believe that 50 mgs may bethe minimum required dose.b. Cancer  Cancer is a result of mutated cells. Iodine is absolutelycritical for something called P53 gene which is known as the " keeper of thegenetic code " . Without iodine and selenium it will not function toeliminate abnormal cells from the body such as cancer. Cancer patientshave taken anywhere from 50  300 mgs / day successfully. Here is a goodarticle on how P53 works with the mdm2 in cancer<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm For information on the P53 and Iodine see the Minerals for the Genetic Codebook.c. Children  These are the levels that I gave my children at thevarious ages. This is not meant to be a recommendation but a guideline forwhat was safe for my (Dr. Buist) children and others I have been in contactwith.i. Up to 3 years  3 drops of Detoxified Iodine(<http://www.iodinesource.com>www.iodinesource.com) per day or take 1 dropof 5% Lugol's solution in water and then take ½ of the water and give itto the child. This results in 3.125 mgs / dose.ii. 3yrs to 5 yrs  6.25 mgs of Iodoral or 1 drop 5% LugolsSolution(6.25 mgs)iii. 5 yrs to 9 yrs  12.5 mgs of Iodoral or 2 drops 5% LugolsSolution (12.5 mgs)iv. 9 yrs to 16 yrs  25 mgs of Iodoral or 4 drops 5% LugolsSolution (25 mgs)v. 16 yrs and up  will depend on health issues, weight, etcand cannot be given in generalities. Dosages range from 12.5 mgs to 300 mgs.3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.These are required to support the body while supplementing with iodine:a. Vit C  2,000  5,000 mgs / day  supports the symporters andassists as an antioxidant to detoxing.b. Selenium  200  400 mcg / day  needed for detoxification andthyroid hormone creation.c. Unrefined salt (Celtic)  ½ tsp / day  supports adrenals, bindsto bromide and assists in removal, supports symporters (sodium iodinesymporters or NIS)d. Magnesium  400 mgs / day  critical for over 300 enzyme reactionsin the body.e. Optional  ATP CoFactors -1 tablet 2x / day  when individualscontinue to feel fatigued or have autoimmune thyroid disease this productcan assist in increasing ATP (energy) within the cells. Riboflavin andno-flush niacin.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?a. Iodine should be taken with food. This seems to enhanceabsorption as well as protecting sensitive stomachs from a potential upset.b. The supporting nutrients can be taken with iodine and withfood. There is no spacing or timing required.c. Iodine should be taken earlier in the day (before 2 pm) becausefor some it increases energy so much that they are unable to sleep.5. How long should I take Iodine?Dr. Abraham has states that it should take 6 months of 50 mgs to reach 90%saturation. However, as testing has become more widely available, it seemsto be taking individuals years to detox halides and allow the iodine toenter the cells. Consequently, there is no set time that a person canexpect to supplement and reach saturation levels.6. Where can I buy Iodoral?These are a few sources that have been found to be a good option.a. www.breastcancerchoices.org - ships internationally / freeshipping with larger ordersb. www.illnessisoptional.com - ships internationallyc. www.vrp.com - ships internationallyd. www.amazon.come. You can check Froogle (google shopping tool) to find the currentcosts of various suppliers http://tinyurl.com/49zvmrl7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?Perform the salt loading protocol when you are experiencing detoxificationsymptoms with iodine supplementation. **Note that you should not need todo this for more than 3 days. If you do then you need to reduce yourdosing of iodine.1/2 tsp celtic (or other unrefined) salt in 1/2 cup of warm waterFollow the above with a glass of 12 oz filtered water.** Repeat every 30-45 minutes as needed until urination begins.Why does this help?Salt - containing chloride - binds to the bromide in the blood stream andcarries it out through the kidneys.8. What are the sources of Bromide?Over and over people come to the Iodine group claiming that they can'tpossibly be toxic in bromide because they are gluten free, eat a cleandiet, etc. Guess what? It isn't diet related in most cases. Bromide is aflame retardant that is used in and on many items around you. Theseinclude carpeting, furniture, mattresses, clothing, computers, iPhones, andautomobiles  just to name a few. Food sources can include items likebaked goods that contain brominated flour or vegetable oil as well as softdrinks like Mountain Dew and other citrus based sodas. It can also befound in some Gatorade products. For many years it was used in the form ofMethyl Bromide as a pesticide on strawberries.9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly soI must be very deficient.Not necessarily. The patch test isn't very scientific and many factors gointo why it disappears. Read the following article by Dr. Abraham for moreinformation<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.This has been happening to people taking 50 mgs or more of Iodoral. It hasbeen rectified by adding a B6  Complex along with an iron supplement tohelp restore ferritin to normal levels. It is thought to occur due to anincrease in metabolic rate that requires more iron. Sufficient ferritinlevels (60-70) are needed to create and utilize thyroid hormones.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.Unfortunately this can occur in those that are very toxic in halides likebromide. If your detoxification pathways are not able to eliminate thetoxins being released by iodine then your body will buffer them with waterand fat. It may be due, in part, to lowered calcium levels as well asmagnesium, vit D, and B Vitamins. All work to maintain balance in thecells and eliminate toxins.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?While iodine does seem to pull out mercury from the cells / tissues of thebody, there has been no indication that it is dangerous to take iodinewhile amalgams remain in the body. If there is concern, supplements likecilantro, chlorella and others can be used to help bind and carry themercury out of the body. Consulting with a good holistic / biologicaldentist as well as an alternative medicine doctor can help to assess yourtoxicity level and assist you in safe removal of amalgams and chelation.13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Dr. Brownstein believes that low iodine is one the key causes inautoimmune thyroid disease. The following is an excerpt from Dr.Brownstein's Iodine book.THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY ANDANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYChapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of theiodinated form of lactone ( - Iodolactone).- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its productionis also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification of iodine.As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occursthrough the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product inorder to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organificationcan occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroidhormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3,this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinatedlipidsÂ-iodolactone.Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand,-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. Ifthere is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequateamounts of -iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroidcell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such asHashimoto's or Graves' disease.A Proposed Mechanism for the Development ofAutoimmune Thyroid DisordersThe NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. Themitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondriaproduce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidativephosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiarwith oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many stepsresponsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many itemsincluding: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatiguesyndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP isthe molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantlyproducing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that isbeyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2(riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidativephosphorylation and ATP production.Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is thisproduction of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidationprocess of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide toform iodine.If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDAfor iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produceiodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of -iodolactoneand other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the 'brake' in the pathwayto oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too muchhydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessThe body's response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO oranti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto's disease requires thepresence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surroundingproteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulinwill result in the body producing antibodies againstthyroglobulinÂanti-thyroglobulin antibodies.In most cases of Hashimoto's disease, there are antibodies to both TPO andthyroglobulin present. Although Graves' disease may also possess thesesame antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosisof Graves' disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that thetreatment for both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease can follow a similarcourse with similar positive outcomes.How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate toiodinate lipids.2. Take Vitamins B2 (Riboflavin) and B3 (Niacin) in amountsnecessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria withantioxidants.4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels.5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body.14. My TSH went up on Iodine.This is a common occurrence when a person starts to take iodine after beingdeficient. The body increases TSH to stimulate production of thyroglobulinwhich is used to bind to the iodine in thyroid hormoneproduction. Individuals can have TSH levels as high as 75 for up to 6months without clinical signs of hypothyroidism. The best values to checkwith labs if there is a concern are the Free T3 and Free T4. You will findin most cases that the " frees " are nicely within the ranges.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Iodine is used by every gland and mucosal lining and is needed to healthe adrenals. You should also use unrefined salt to support them as wellas Vitamin C. Other products such as ashwaganda, licorice root, adrenalglandulars and in severe conditions a doctor can prescribe hydrocortisoneto replace the body's deficiency.16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.The best resource for breast cancer is<http://www.breastcancerchoices.org>www.breastcancerchoices.org which is anon-profit organization run by Lynne Farrow who is a breast cancersurvivor. They are dedicated to the grass roots research into iodine'seffectiveness as treatment.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.As the years have gone by members of the group have been testing relativelyhigh in their saturation levels with the Iodine loading tests. This isusually met with jubilation that they are at a good level. But wait! Thisisn't a place to stop. A bromide level test has become available and canbe added to the loading test. This is highly recommended because it givesa clearer picture of what the TRUE status of the saturation level is. As ageneral rule if you see a higher saturation level (80% or above) with abromide level over 10 mgs/L (the upper limit of normal per Dr. Guy Abraham)you are bromide toxic and the receptors that would normally be able to pulliodine into the cells cannot because bromide is blocking thereceptors. This will result in a high level of iodine being eliminated inthe urine indicating (falsely) that you are more saturated than youare. Persons with results such as these should consider supplementing withLugol's or Iodoral in doses of 50 mgs or more for 6 mos to 1 year and thenretest Iodine Loading and Bromide levels to see what the new statusis. Dr. Abraham has stated that this amount of time is needed to makesignificant progress in detoxing and to build saturation in thecells. After supplementing for 6 mos to 1 year, the trend has been to seesaturation levels go down while bromide elimination levels increase.Another reason for a false high reading in saturation levels is due todefects in the symporters of the cells. Dr. Abraham addresses this on hiswebsite at<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm which suggests the usage of Vitamin C to heal symporters.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.It is recommended that you order both the 24 hour loading and bromide leveltest. We recommend this because you may obtain a high saturation level andbelieve that your levels are fine when in fact bromide toxicity will blockthe iodine receptors not allowing iodine to enter the cell which results inan elimination of iodine when it is needed / deficient thus skewing thetest results.The following list is a compilation of resources for obtaining the Iodineloading test.Hakala Research885 Parfet Street Unit ELakewood, CO 80215877.238.1779*** It is not recommended that you do the spot test as this is only anindicator of how much iodine is in the diet and offers no real value to thebody saturation. The two asterisk items are the recommended tests.** Iodine Loading Kit Only $70Iodine Spot Level Kit Only $70Iodine Spot and Loading Kit $95** Bromide Level Testing (must be combined with one of the above kits) $35Test prices do not include return shipping.They now also offer iodine serum/saliva testing to check for Organification/ Oxidation issues as well as symporter defects. The test is available twoways:1. 24 hour Iodine loading test plus the serum saliva ratio cost: $155.00.2. Serum saliva ratio without the urine test cost: $110.00.The serum/saliva ratio gives the degree of usage of iodine within the cell,if the ratio is below normal this signifies a symporter defect (NIS) whilea higher than normal ratio points to an organification problem.According to Dr. Abrahams articles the symporter can be repaired using 3 gmof slow release Vitamin C per day, the organification issue responds to ATPCoFactors (Riboflavin 100mg + NoFlush Niacin 500mg) twice daily.=============================================================================FFP LabsDr. Jorg Flechas MD80 Doctors Drive Ste 3ville, NC 28792(1-877-900-5556)The cost of this test is $80.If it is not ordered by a physician you must tell them you are ordering iton your own and they will assign you to a nurse practitioner. When you getthe results of this test you can receive a free consultation with Dr. Flechas.You may also obtain a urine spot test for an additional $30 for a total of$110 for both tests.Spot / Loading / Bromide test can be obtained for $230=============================================================================Vitamin Research Products** As of the last time this test was reviewed no bromide testing is available.<http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137>http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137 $100 for both the spot and loading test.Kit requires an ordering physician.=============================================================================Doctors Data** This lab does not seem to report in the manner that is described in Dr.Abraham's research so it is difficult to determine true saturation andbromide levels.Pre and post loading - requires an ordering physician.<http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118>http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118 ====================================================================================ZRT LaboratoriesThis is a new test that is not performed in the manner outlined by Dr.Abraham, Dr Brownstein or Dr. Flechas which has been used effectively sincethe 1990's. It has not been proven to correlate with the health conditionsof those with iodine deficiency and does not offer a bromide level testwhich is critical in determining how accurate the saturation level is. Atthis point the Iodine group does not recommend this test.19. Recommended Reading.Many of the questions asked over and over are covered in these referencematerials. Please familiarize yourself with them to help with limiting therepetition of information on the group.a. Dr Brownstein  Iodine Why You Need It, Why You Can't LiveWithout it <http://www.drbrownstein.com>www.drbrownstein.comb. Dr. Brownstein  Salt Your Way To Healthc. Dr. Derry  Breast Cancer and Iodine: How to Prevent andHow to Survive Breast Cancer<http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm>http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm d. <http://www.optimox.com>www.optimox.com - Research by Dr. GuyAbraham  the founder of The Iodine Projecte. <http://www.iodine4health.com>www.iodine4health.com - The IodineGroup's repository for Iodine research.20. INDEXAdrenal fatigue, 6Antibodies, 5Atomidine iodine. See Detoxified iodineATP, 3, 5ATP CoFactorsas optional supporting nutrient, 2physiology, 5Autoimmune thyroid diseasesmechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause, 4Breast cancer, 6Bromide testingin combination with iodine loading test, 6ordering, 7, 8second testing, 6Bromides. See also Detoxificationand the iodine loading test, 6and weight gain, 4bombarding our systems, 2normal levels of, 6sources of, 3Calcium, weight gain and, 4Cancerbreast cancer, 6how much iodine to take, 2Celtic sea salt. See Salt, unrefinedChelation, mercury amalgam fillings and, 4Children, how much iodine to take, 2Chlorine, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Companion nutrients. See Supporting nutrients requiredDental mercury amalgam fillings, 4Detoxificationforms of iodine not producing, 1length of time expected for, 3symptoms of, salt loading protocol to alleviate, 3Detoxified iodineamount of iodine in, 1for children under 3 years, 2Doctors Data (laboratory), 8Ferritin levels dropping, 4FFP Labs, 8Flame retardants, as source of bromides, 3Fluoride, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Foodas source of bromides, 3taking supplements with, 3Forms of iodine, 1Free T3, and rise in TSH, 6Free T4, and rise in TSH, 6Graves' diseaseantibodies and, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause of, 5Hakala Research (laboratory), 7Halides. See also Bromides; Detoxificationlist of types of, 2Hashimoto's disease, 4cause underlying, 4mechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6How much iodine to takecancer, 2children, 2maintenance, 2with false saturation results, 6Iodinated lipids, 5Iodinedosage. See How much iodine to takeforms of, 1saturation with. See Saturation with iodinetesting. See Iodine Loading Testwhen to take, 3Iodine Loading Testand bromides, effect on results of, 6ordered with Bromide Levels Test, 7ordering, 7, 8second testing, time for, 6Iodine Spot Test, 7, 8Iodoralamount of iodine per tablet, 1how much to take, 2where to buy, 3Iosol, 1Length of time to take iodine, 3Lugol's liquid iodineamount of iodine per drop, 1how much to take, 2Magnascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineMagnesiumas supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2weight gain and, 4Mercuryamalgam fillings in teeth, 4bombarding our systems, 2Nascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineNiacinas optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6no-flush, amount to take, 7physiology and, 5Oxidation/organification of iodineATP CoFactors to treat, 7physiology, 4test to check function of, 7Patch test on skin, 4Phosphorylation, 5Prolamine (Standard Process), 1Resourcescancer and iodine, 2Dr. Brownstein books, 9Dr. Derry article, 9Dr. Guy Abraham articles (Optimox site), 9Iodine Group's iodine research site, 9skin patch test, 4where to buy Iodoral, 3www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6Riboflavinamount to take, 7as optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6physiology and, 5Salt loading protocol, 3Salt, unrefinedadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2function in body, 2, 3in salt loading protocol, 3Saturation with iodineand false readings, 6Detoxified iodine not providing, 1Seleniumand cancer, 2as supporting nutrient, 2Skin patch test, 4Supporting nutrients requiredamounts and functions, 2when to take, 3Symporter defectsand false high reading in saturation levels, 7test for, 7Vitamin C in treatment of, 7T3, free. See Free T4T4, free. See Free T4Thyroglobulin, 5, 6Thyroid hormonesferritin in production of, 4iodine in production of, 5, 6selenium in production of, 2TSH rising and, 6Timefor second round of testing, 6length of, to take iodine, 3of day, to take supplements, 3TPO, 5TSH rise, following iodine supplementation, 6Vitamin B group, and weight gain, 4Vitamin B2. See RiboflavinVitamin B3. See NiacinVitamin Cadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, 2symporter defects healing with, 7Vitamin D, 4Vitamin Research Products, 8Weight gain, 4www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6ZRT Laboratories, 8~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011  Yes I understand, I only take natural supplements as well. I don't like to take anything with yeast. So I take this one that is all natural : http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Selenium-Synergy-200-mcg-60-Capsules/169?at=0 Check it out. Best, Kathleen For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email bodyiodine Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 10:45 PM Bek, this is for you incase you can't find this in the Files. was kind enough to put this in an email form for us. Best, Kathleen For any members who cannot d/l or access the Files on the website:Below is appended the New Member Document. This contains all the info youneed to get started. Please read, and then ask questions thatremain. Thank you :)Iodine information to get you started Commonly Asked Questions.1. Forms of Iodine2. How much Iodine do I need to take?3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?5. How long should I take Iodine?6. Where can I buy Iodoral?7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?8. What are the sources of Bromide?9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so Imust be very deficient.10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYA Proposed Mechanism for the Development of Autoimmune Thyroid DisordersWhat Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessHow to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders14. My TSH went up on Iodine.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.19. Recommended Reading.1. Forms of Iodinea. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified or Atomidine) Based onEdgar Cayce's "energized" iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1%concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electro-magnetically transmuted(while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild acid solution) intothe Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 mcg or .150 mg of Iodine. This form willnot saturate body tissues and has not been proven to detox halides such asbromide, fluoride, chloride, and mercury, as other forms have.b. Iosol 1830 mcg / drop of Iodine onlyc. Prolamine (Standard Process) 3 mgs Iodine onlyd. Lugol's liquid Iodine / Potassium Iodide 2% and 5%solutions. 5% solution is 6.25 mgs / drop.e. Iodoral Lugol's formula in pill form Iodine / PotassiumIodide - 12.5 mgs & 50 mgs2. How much Iodine do I need to take?There are no amounts that can be given as a blanketrecommendation. Everyone needs different amounts based on their body'sability to utilize the nutrients as well as the level of toxic halideexposure they have each day. If you are dealing with a severe healthcondition then your dosages would need to be higher than those trying tomaintain good health.a. Maintenance It was once believed that a good maintenance dose is25 mgs per day. But with more information being gained about the exposuresto halides bombarding our systems (bromides, fluorides, chlorine) as wellas mercury, etc., maintenance of health may require higher doses ofiodine. The iodine doctors are now beginning to believe that 50 mgs may bethe minimum required dose.b. Cancer Cancer is a result of mutated cells. Iodine is absolutelycritical for something called P53 gene which is known as the "keeper of thegenetic code". Without iodine and selenium it will not function toeliminate abnormal cells from the body such as cancer. Cancer patientshave taken anywhere from 50 300 mgs / day successfully. Here is a goodarticle on how P53 works with the mdm2 in cancer<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm For information on the P53 and Iodine see the Minerals for the Genetic Codebook.c. Children These are the levels that I gave my children at thevarious ages. This is not meant to be a recommendation but a guideline forwhat was safe for my (Dr. Buist) children and others I have been in contactwith.i. Up to 3 years 3 drops of Detoxified Iodine(<http://www.iodinesource.com>www.iodinesource.com) per day or take 1 dropof 5% Lugol's solution in water and then take ½ of the water and give itto the child. This results in 3.125 mgs / dose.ii. 3yrs to 5 yrs 6.25 mgs of Iodoral or 1 drop 5% LugolsSolution(6.25 mgs)iii. 5 yrs to 9 yrs 12.5 mgs of Iodoral or 2 drops 5% LugolsSolution (12.5 mgs)iv. 9 yrs to 16 yrs 25 mgs of Iodoral or 4 drops 5% LugolsSolution (25 mgs)v. 16 yrs and up will depend on health issues, weight, etcand cannot be given in generalities. Dosages range from 12.5 mgs to 300 mgs.3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.These are required to support the body while supplementing with iodine:a. Vit C 2,000 5,000 mgs / day supports the symporters andassists as an antioxidant to detoxing.b. Selenium 200 400 mcg / day needed for detoxification andthyroid hormone creation.c. Unrefined salt (Celtic) ½ tsp / day supports adrenals, bindsto bromide and assists in removal, supports symporters (sodium iodinesymporters or NIS)d. Magnesium 400 mgs / day critical for over 300 enzyme reactionsin the body.e. Optional ATP CoFactors -1 tablet 2x / day when individualscontinue to feel fatigued or have autoimmune thyroid disease this productcan assist in increasing ATP (energy) within the cells. Riboflavin andno-flush niacin.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?a. Iodine should be taken with food. This seems to enhanceabsorption as well as protecting sensitive stomachs from a potential upset.b. The supporting nutrients can be taken with iodine and withfood. There is no spacing or timing required.c. Iodine should be taken earlier in the day (before 2 pm) becausefor some it increases energy so much that they are unable to sleep.5. How long should I take Iodine?Dr. Abraham has states that it should take 6 months of 50 mgs to reach 90%saturation. However, as testing has become more widely available, it seemsto be taking individuals years to detox halides and allow the iodine toenter the cells. Consequently, there is no set time that a person canexpect to supplement and reach saturation levels.6. Where can I buy Iodoral?These are a few sources that have been found to be a good option.a. www.breastcancerchoices.org - ships internationally / freeshipping with larger ordersb. www.illnessisoptional.com - ships internationallyc. www.vrp.com - ships internationallyd. www.amazon.come. You can check Froogle (google shopping tool) to find the currentcosts of various suppliers http://tinyurl.com/49zvmrl7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?Perform the salt loading protocol when you are experiencing detoxificationsymptoms with iodine supplementation. **Note that you should not need todo this for more than 3 days. If you do then you need to reduce yourdosing of iodine.1/2 tsp celtic (or other unrefined) salt in 1/2 cup of warm waterFollow the above with a glass of 12 oz filtered water.** Repeat every 30-45 minutes as needed until urination begins.Why does this help?Salt - containing chloride - binds to the bromide in the blood stream andcarries it out through the kidneys.8. What are the sources of Bromide?Over and over people come to the Iodine group claiming that they can'tpossibly be toxic in bromide because they are gluten free, eat a cleandiet, etc. Guess what? It isn't diet related in most cases. Bromide is aflame retardant that is used in and on many items around you. Theseinclude carpeting, furniture, mattresses, clothing, computers, iPhones, andautomobiles just to name a few. Food sources can include items likebaked goods that contain brominated flour or vegetable oil as well as softdrinks like Mountain Dew and other citrus based sodas. It can also befound in some Gatorade products. For many years it was used in the form ofMethyl Bromide as a pesticide on strawberries.9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly soI must be very deficient.Not necessarily. The patch test isn't very scientific and many factors gointo why it disappears. Read the following article by Dr. Abraham for moreinformation<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.This has been happening to people taking 50 mgs or more of Iodoral. It hasbeen rectified by adding a B6 Complex along with an iron supplement tohelp restore ferritin to normal levels. It is thought to occur due to anincrease in metabolic rate that requires more iron. Sufficient ferritinlevels (60-70) are needed to create and utilize thyroid hormones.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.Unfortunately this can occur in those that are very toxic in halides likebromide. If your detoxification pathways are not able to eliminate thetoxins being released by iodine then your body will buffer them with waterand fat. It may be due, in part, to lowered calcium levels as well asmagnesium, vit D, and B Vitamins. All work to maintain balance in thecells and eliminate toxins.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?While iodine does seem to pull out mercury from the cells / tissues of thebody, there has been no indication that it is dangerous to take iodinewhile amalgams remain in the body. If there is concern, supplements likecilantro, chlorella and others can be used to help bind and carry themercury out of the body. Consulting with a good holistic / biologicaldentist as well as an alternative medicine doctor can help to assess yourtoxicity level and assist you in safe removal of amalgams and chelation.13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Dr. Brownstein believes that low iodine is one the key causes inautoimmune thyroid disease. The following is an excerpt from Dr.Brownstein's Iodine book.THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY ANDANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYChapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of theiodinated form of lactone ( - Iodolactone).- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its productionis also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification of iodine.As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occursthrough the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product inorder to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organificationcan occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroidhormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3,this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinatedlipids-iodolactone.Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand,-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. Ifthere is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequateamounts of -iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroidcell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such asHashimoto's or Graves' disease.A Proposed Mechanism for the Development ofAutoimmune Thyroid DisordersThe NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. Themitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondriaproduce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidativephosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiarwith oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many stepsresponsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many itemsincluding: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatiguesyndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP isthe molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantlyproducing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that isbeyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2(riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidativephosphorylation and ATP production.Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is thisproduction of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidationprocess of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide toform iodine.If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDAfor iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produceiodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of -iodolactoneand other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the 'brake' in the pathwayto oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too muchhydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessThe body's response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO oranti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto's disease requires thepresence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surroundingproteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulinwill result in the body producing antibodies againstthyroglobulinanti-thyroglobulin antibodies.In most cases of Hashimoto's disease, there are antibodies to both TPO andthyroglobulin present. Although Graves' disease may also possess thesesame antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosisof Graves' disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that thetreatment for both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease can follow a similarcourse with similar positive outcomes.How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate toiodinate lipids.2. Take Vitamins B2 (Riboflavin) and B3 (Niacin) in amountsnecessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria withantioxidants.4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels.5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body.14. My TSH went up on Iodine.This is a common occurrence when a person starts to take iodine after beingdeficient. The body increases TSH to stimulate production of thyroglobulinwhich is used to bind to the iodine in thyroid hormoneproduction. Individuals can have TSH levels as high as 75 for up to 6months without clinical signs of hypothyroidism. The best values to checkwith labs if there is a concern are the Free T3 and Free T4. You will findin most cases that the "frees" are nicely within the ranges.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Iodine is used by every gland and mucosal lining and is needed to healthe adrenals. You should also use unrefined salt to support them as wellas Vitamin C. Other products such as ashwaganda, licorice root, adrenalglandulars and in severe conditions a doctor can prescribe hydrocortisoneto replace the body's deficiency.16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.The best resource for breast cancer is<http://www.breastcancerchoices.org>www.breastcancerchoices.org which is anon-profit organization run by Lynne Farrow who is a breast cancersurvivor. They are dedicated to the grass roots research into iodine'seffectiveness as treatment.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.As the years have gone by members of the group have been testing relativelyhigh in their saturation levels with the Iodine loading tests. This isusually met with jubilation that they are at a good level. But wait! Thisisn't a place to stop. A bromide level test has become available and canbe added to the loading test. This is highly recommended because it givesa clearer picture of what the TRUE status of the saturation level is. As ageneral rule if you see a higher saturation level (80% or above) with abromide level over 10 mgs/L (the upper limit of normal per Dr. Guy Abraham)you are bromide toxic and the receptors that would normally be able to pulliodine into the cells cannot because bromide is blocking thereceptors. This will result in a high level of iodine being eliminated inthe urine indicating (falsely) that you are more saturated than youare. Persons with results such as these should consider supplementing withLugol's or Iodoral in doses of 50 mgs or more for 6 mos to 1 year and thenretest Iodine Loading and Bromide levels to see what the new statusis. Dr. Abraham has stated that this amount of time is needed to makesignificant progress in detoxing and to build saturation in thecells. After supplementing for 6 mos to 1 year, the trend has been to seesaturation levels go down while bromide elimination levels increase.Another reason for a false high reading in saturation levels is due todefects in the symporters of the cells. Dr. Abraham addresses this on hiswebsite at<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm which suggests the usage of Vitamin C to heal symporters.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.It is recommended that you order both the 24 hour loading and bromide leveltest. We recommend this because you may obtain a high saturation level andbelieve that your levels are fine when in fact bromide toxicity will blockthe iodine receptors not allowing iodine to enter the cell which results inan elimination of iodine when it is needed / deficient thus skewing thetest results.The following list is a compilation of resources for obtaining the Iodineloading test.Hakala Research885 Parfet Street Unit ELakewood, CO 80215877.238.1779*** It is not recommended that you do the spot test as this is only anindicator of how much iodine is in the diet and offers no real value to thebody saturation. The two asterisk items are the recommended tests.** Iodine Loading Kit Only $70Iodine Spot Level Kit Only $70Iodine Spot and Loading Kit $95** Bromide Level Testing (must be combined with one of the above kits) $35Test prices do not include return shipping.They now also offer iodine serum/saliva testing to check for Organification/ Oxidation issues as well as symporter defects. The test is available twoways:1. 24 hour Iodine loading test plus the serum saliva ratio cost: $155.00.2. Serum saliva ratio without the urine test cost: $110.00.The serum/saliva ratio gives the degree of usage of iodine within the cell,if the ratio is below normal this signifies a symporter defect (NIS) whilea higher than normal ratio points to an organification problem.According to Dr. Abrahams articles the symporter can be repaired using 3 gmof slow release Vitamin C per day, the organification issue responds to ATPCoFactors (Riboflavin 100mg + NoFlush Niacin 500mg) twice daily.=============================================================================FFP LabsDr. Jorg Flechas MD80 Doctors Drive Ste 3ville, NC 28792(1-877-900-5556)The cost of this test is $80.If it is not ordered by a physician you must tell them you are ordering iton your own and they will assign you to a nurse practitioner. When you getthe results of this test you can receive a free consultation with Dr. Flechas.You may also obtain a urine spot test for an additional $30 for a total of$110 for both tests.Spot / Loading / Bromide test can be obtained for $230=============================================================================Vitamin Research Products** As of the last time this test was reviewed no bromide testing is available.<http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137>http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137 $100 for both the spot and loading test.Kit requires an ordering physician.=============================================================================Doctors Data** This lab does not seem to report in the manner that is described in Dr.Abraham's research so it is difficult to determine true saturation andbromide levels.Pre and post loading - requires an ordering physician.<http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118>http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118 ====================================================================================ZRT LaboratoriesThis is a new test that is not performed in the manner outlined by Dr.Abraham, Dr Brownstein or Dr. Flechas which has been used effectively sincethe 1990's. It has not been proven to correlate with the health conditionsof those with iodine deficiency and does not offer a bromide level testwhich is critical in determining how accurate the saturation level is. Atthis point the Iodine group does not recommend this test.19. Recommended Reading.Many of the questions asked over and over are covered in these referencematerials. Please familiarize yourself with them to help with limiting therepetition of information on the group.a. Dr Brownstein Iodine Why You Need It, Why You Can't LiveWithout it <http://www.drbrownstein.com>www.drbrownstein.comb. Dr. Brownstein Salt Your Way To Healthc. Dr. Derry Breast Cancer and Iodine: How to Prevent andHow to Survive Breast Cancer<http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm>http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm d. <http://www.optimox.com>www.optimox.com - Research by Dr. GuyAbraham the founder of The Iodine Projecte. <http://www.iodine4health.com>www.iodine4health.com - The IodineGroup's repository for Iodine research.20. INDEXAdrenal fatigue, 6Antibodies, 5Atomidine iodine. See Detoxified iodineATP, 3, 5ATP CoFactorsas optional supporting nutrient, 2physiology, 5Autoimmune thyroid diseasesmechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause, 4Breast cancer, 6Bromide testingin combination with iodine loading test, 6ordering, 7, 8second testing, 6Bromides. See also Detoxificationand the iodine loading test, 6and weight gain, 4bombarding our systems, 2normal levels of, 6sources of, 3Calcium, weight gain and, 4Cancerbreast cancer, 6how much iodine to take, 2Celtic sea salt. See Salt, unrefinedChelation, mercury amalgam fillings and, 4Children, how much iodine to take, 2Chlorine, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Companion nutrients. See Supporting nutrients requiredDental mercury amalgam fillings, 4Detoxificationforms of iodine not producing, 1length of time expected for, 3symptoms of, salt loading protocol to alleviate, 3Detoxified iodineamount of iodine in, 1for children under 3 years, 2Doctors Data (laboratory), 8Ferritin levels dropping, 4FFP Labs, 8Flame retardants, as source of bromides, 3Fluoride, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Foodas source of bromides, 3taking supplements with, 3Forms of iodine, 1Free T3, and rise in TSH, 6Free T4, and rise in TSH, 6Graves' diseaseantibodies and, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause of, 5Hakala Research (laboratory), 7Halides. See also Bromides; Detoxificationlist of types of, 2Hashimoto's disease, 4cause underlying, 4mechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6How much iodine to takecancer, 2children, 2maintenance, 2with false saturation results, 6Iodinated lipids, 5Iodinedosage. See How much iodine to takeforms of, 1saturation with. See Saturation with iodinetesting. See Iodine Loading Testwhen to take, 3Iodine Loading Testand bromides, effect on results of, 6ordered with Bromide Levels Test, 7ordering, 7, 8second testing, time for, 6Iodine Spot Test, 7, 8Iodoralamount of iodine per tablet, 1how much to take, 2where to buy, 3Iosol, 1Length of time to take iodine, 3Lugol's liquid iodineamount of iodine per drop, 1how much to take, 2Magnascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineMagnesiumas supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2weight gain and, 4Mercuryamalgam fillings in teeth, 4bombarding our systems, 2Nascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineNiacinas optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6no-flush, amount to take, 7physiology and, 5Oxidation/organification of iodineATP CoFactors to treat, 7physiology, 4test to check function of, 7Patch test on skin, 4Phosphorylation, 5Prolamine (Standard Process), 1Resourcescancer and iodine, 2Dr. Brownstein books, 9Dr. Derry article, 9Dr. Guy Abraham articles (Optimox site), 9Iodine Group's iodine research site, 9skin patch test, 4where to buy Iodoral, 3www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6Riboflavinamount to take, 7as optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6physiology and, 5Salt loading protocol, 3Salt, unrefinedadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2function in body, 2, 3in salt loading protocol, 3Saturation with iodineand false readings, 6Detoxified iodine not providing, 1Seleniumand cancer, 2as supporting nutrient, 2Skin patch test, 4Supporting nutrients requiredamounts and functions, 2when to take, 3Symporter defectsand false high reading in saturation levels, 7test for, 7Vitamin C in treatment of, 7T3, free. See Free T4T4, free. See Free T4Thyroglobulin, 5, 6Thyroid hormonesferritin in production of, 4iodine in production of, 5, 6selenium in production of, 2TSH rising and, 6Timefor second round of testing, 6length of, to take iodine, 3of day, to take supplements, 3TPO, 5TSH rise, following iodine supplementation, 6Vitamin B group, and weight gain, 4Vitamin B2. See RiboflavinVitamin B3. See NiacinVitamin Cadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, 2symporter defects healing with, 7Vitamin D, 4Vitamin Research Products, 8Weight gain, 4www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6ZRT Laboratories, 8~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011  I also use this natural one as well: http://www.iherb.com/Life-Extension-Se-Methyl-Selenocysteine-200-mcg-100-Capsules/4378?at=0 Kathleen For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email bodyiodine Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 10:45 PM Bek, this is for you incase you can't find this in the Files. was kind enough to put this in an email form for us. Best, Kathleen For any members who cannot d/l or access the Files on the website:Below is appended the New Member Document. This contains all the info youneed to get started. Please read, and then ask questions thatremain. Thank you :)Iodine information to get you started Commonly Asked Questions.1. Forms of Iodine2. How much Iodine do I need to take?3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?5. How long should I take Iodine?6. Where can I buy Iodoral?7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?8. What are the sources of Bromide?9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so Imust be very deficient.10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYA Proposed Mechanism for the Development of Autoimmune Thyroid DisordersWhat Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessHow to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders14. My TSH went up on Iodine.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.19. Recommended Reading.1. Forms of Iodinea. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified or Atomidine) Based onEdgar Cayce's "energized" iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1%concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electro-magnetically transmuted(while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild acid solution) intothe Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 mcg or .150 mg of Iodine. This form willnot saturate body tissues and has not been proven to detox halides such asbromide, fluoride, chloride, and mercury, as other forms have.b. Iosol 1830 mcg / drop of Iodine onlyc. Prolamine (Standard Process) 3 mgs Iodine onlyd. Lugol's liquid Iodine / Potassium Iodide 2% and 5%solutions. 5% solution is 6.25 mgs / drop.e. Iodoral Lugol's formula in pill form Iodine / PotassiumIodide - 12.5 mgs & 50 mgs2. How much Iodine do I need to take?There are no amounts that can be given as a blanketrecommendation. Everyone needs different amounts based on their body'sability to utilize the nutrients as well as the level of toxic halideexposure they have each day. If you are dealing with a severe healthcondition then your dosages would need to be higher than those trying tomaintain good health.a. Maintenance It was once believed that a good maintenance dose is25 mgs per day. But with more information being gained about the exposuresto halides bombarding our systems (bromides, fluorides, chlorine) as wellas mercury, etc., maintenance of health may require higher doses ofiodine. The iodine doctors are now beginning to believe that 50 mgs may bethe minimum required dose.b. Cancer Cancer is a result of mutated cells. Iodine is absolutelycritical for something called P53 gene which is known as the "keeper of thegenetic code". Without iodine and selenium it will not function toeliminate abnormal cells from the body such as cancer. Cancer patientshave taken anywhere from 50 300 mgs / day successfully. Here is a goodarticle on how P53 works with the mdm2 in cancer<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm For information on the P53 and Iodine see the Minerals for the Genetic Codebook.c. Children These are the levels that I gave my children at thevarious ages. This is not meant to be a recommendation but a guideline forwhat was safe for my (Dr. Buist) children and others I have been in contactwith.i. Up to 3 years 3 drops of Detoxified Iodine(<http://www.iodinesource.com>www.iodinesource.com) per day or take 1 dropof 5% Lugol's solution in water and then take ½ of the water and give itto the child. This results in 3.125 mgs / dose.ii. 3yrs to 5 yrs 6.25 mgs of Iodoral or 1 drop 5% LugolsSolution(6.25 mgs)iii. 5 yrs to 9 yrs 12.5 mgs of Iodoral or 2 drops 5% LugolsSolution (12.5 mgs)iv. 9 yrs to 16 yrs 25 mgs of Iodoral or 4 drops 5% LugolsSolution (25 mgs)v. 16 yrs and up will depend on health issues, weight, etcand cannot be given in generalities. Dosages range from 12.5 mgs to 300 mgs.3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.These are required to support the body while supplementing with iodine:a. Vit C 2,000 5,000 mgs / day supports the symporters andassists as an antioxidant to detoxing.b. Selenium 200 400 mcg / day needed for detoxification andthyroid hormone creation.c. Unrefined salt (Celtic) ½ tsp / day supports adrenals, bindsto bromide and assists in removal, supports symporters (sodium iodinesymporters or NIS)d. Magnesium 400 mgs / day critical for over 300 enzyme reactionsin the body.e. Optional ATP CoFactors -1 tablet 2x / day when individualscontinue to feel fatigued or have autoimmune thyroid disease this productcan assist in increasing ATP (energy) within the cells. Riboflavin andno-flush niacin.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?a. Iodine should be taken with food. This seems to enhanceabsorption as well as protecting sensitive stomachs from a potential upset.b. The supporting nutrients can be taken with iodine and withfood. There is no spacing or timing required.c. Iodine should be taken earlier in the day (before 2 pm) becausefor some it increases energy so much that they are unable to sleep.5. How long should I take Iodine?Dr. Abraham has states that it should take 6 months of 50 mgs to reach 90%saturation. However, as testing has become more widely available, it seemsto be taking individuals years to detox halides and allow the iodine toenter the cells. Consequently, there is no set time that a person canexpect to supplement and reach saturation levels.6. Where can I buy Iodoral?These are a few sources that have been found to be a good option.a. www.breastcancerchoices.org - ships internationally / freeshipping with larger ordersb. www.illnessisoptional.com - ships internationallyc. www.vrp.com - ships internationallyd. www.amazon.come. You can check Froogle (google shopping tool) to find the currentcosts of various suppliers http://tinyurl.com/49zvmrl7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?Perform the salt loading protocol when you are experiencing detoxificationsymptoms with iodine supplementation. **Note that you should not need todo this for more than 3 days. If you do then you need to reduce yourdosing of iodine.1/2 tsp celtic (or other unrefined) salt in 1/2 cup of warm waterFollow the above with a glass of 12 oz filtered water.** Repeat every 30-45 minutes as needed until urination begins.Why does this help?Salt - containing chloride - binds to the bromide in the blood stream andcarries it out through the kidneys.8. What are the sources of Bromide?Over and over people come to the Iodine group claiming that they can'tpossibly be toxic in bromide because they are gluten free, eat a cleandiet, etc. Guess what? It isn't diet related in most cases. Bromide is aflame retardant that is used in and on many items around you. Theseinclude carpeting, furniture, mattresses, clothing, computers, iPhones, andautomobiles just to name a few. Food sources can include items likebaked goods that contain brominated flour or vegetable oil as well as softdrinks like Mountain Dew and other citrus based sodas. It can also befound in some Gatorade products. For many years it was used in the form ofMethyl Bromide as a pesticide on strawberries.9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly soI must be very deficient.Not necessarily. The patch test isn't very scientific and many factors gointo why it disappears. Read the following article by Dr. Abraham for moreinformation<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.This has been happening to people taking 50 mgs or more of Iodoral. It hasbeen rectified by adding a B6 Complex along with an iron supplement tohelp restore ferritin to normal levels. It is thought to occur due to anincrease in metabolic rate that requires more iron. Sufficient ferritinlevels (60-70) are needed to create and utilize thyroid hormones.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.Unfortunately this can occur in those that are very toxic in halides likebromide. If your detoxification pathways are not able to eliminate thetoxins being released by iodine then your body will buffer them with waterand fat. It may be due, in part, to lowered calcium levels as well asmagnesium, vit D, and B Vitamins. All work to maintain balance in thecells and eliminate toxins.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?While iodine does seem to pull out mercury from the cells / tissues of thebody, there has been no indication that it is dangerous to take iodinewhile amalgams remain in the body. If there is concern, supplements likecilantro, chlorella and others can be used to help bind and carry themercury out of the body. Consulting with a good holistic / biologicaldentist as well as an alternative medicine doctor can help to assess yourtoxicity level and assist you in safe removal of amalgams and chelation.13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Dr. Brownstein believes that low iodine is one the key causes inautoimmune thyroid disease. The following is an excerpt from Dr.Brownstein's Iodine book.THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY ANDANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYChapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of theiodinated form of lactone ( - Iodolactone).- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its productionis also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification of iodine.As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occursthrough the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product inorder to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organificationcan occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroidhormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3,this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinatedlipids-iodolactone.Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand,-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. Ifthere is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequateamounts of -iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroidcell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such asHashimoto's or Graves' disease.A Proposed Mechanism for the Development ofAutoimmune Thyroid DisordersThe NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. Themitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondriaproduce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidativephosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiarwith oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many stepsresponsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many itemsincluding: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatiguesyndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP isthe molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantlyproducing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that isbeyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2(riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidativephosphorylation and ATP production.Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is thisproduction of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidationprocess of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide toform iodine.If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDAfor iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produceiodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of -iodolactoneand other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the 'brake' in the pathwayto oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too muchhydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessThe body's response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO oranti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto's disease requires thepresence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surroundingproteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulinwill result in the body producing antibodies againstthyroglobulinanti-thyroglobulin antibodies.In most cases of Hashimoto's disease, there are antibodies to both TPO andthyroglobulin present. Although Graves' disease may also possess thesesame antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosisof Graves' disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that thetreatment for both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease can follow a similarcourse with similar positive outcomes.How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate toiodinate lipids.2. Take Vitamins B2 (Riboflavin) and B3 (Niacin) in amountsnecessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria withantioxidants.4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels.5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body.14. My TSH went up on Iodine.This is a common occurrence when a person starts to take iodine after beingdeficient. The body increases TSH to stimulate production of thyroglobulinwhich is used to bind to the iodine in thyroid hormoneproduction. Individuals can have TSH levels as high as 75 for up to 6months without clinical signs of hypothyroidism. The best values to checkwith labs if there is a concern are the Free T3 and Free T4. You will findin most cases that the "frees" are nicely within the ranges.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Iodine is used by every gland and mucosal lining and is needed to healthe adrenals. You should also use unrefined salt to support them as wellas Vitamin C. Other products such as ashwaganda, licorice root, adrenalglandulars and in severe conditions a doctor can prescribe hydrocortisoneto replace the body's deficiency.16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.The best resource for breast cancer is<http://www.breastcancerchoices.org>www.breastcancerchoices.org which is anon-profit organization run by Lynne Farrow who is a breast cancersurvivor. They are dedicated to the grass roots research into iodine'seffectiveness as treatment.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.As the years have gone by members of the group have been testing relativelyhigh in their saturation levels with the Iodine loading tests. This isusually met with jubilation that they are at a good level. But wait! Thisisn't a place to stop. A bromide level test has become available and canbe added to the loading test. This is highly recommended because it givesa clearer picture of what the TRUE status of the saturation level is. As ageneral rule if you see a higher saturation level (80% or above) with abromide level over 10 mgs/L (the upper limit of normal per Dr. Guy Abraham)you are bromide toxic and the receptors that would normally be able to pulliodine into the cells cannot because bromide is blocking thereceptors. This will result in a high level of iodine being eliminated inthe urine indicating (falsely) that you are more saturated than youare. Persons with results such as these should consider supplementing withLugol's or Iodoral in doses of 50 mgs or more for 6 mos to 1 year and thenretest Iodine Loading and Bromide levels to see what the new statusis. Dr. Abraham has stated that this amount of time is needed to makesignificant progress in detoxing and to build saturation in thecells. After supplementing for 6 mos to 1 year, the trend has been to seesaturation levels go down while bromide elimination levels increase.Another reason for a false high reading in saturation levels is due todefects in the symporters of the cells. Dr. Abraham addresses this on hiswebsite at<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm which suggests the usage of Vitamin C to heal symporters.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.It is recommended that you order both the 24 hour loading and bromide leveltest. We recommend this because you may obtain a high saturation level andbelieve that your levels are fine when in fact bromide toxicity will blockthe iodine receptors not allowing iodine to enter the cell which results inan elimination of iodine when it is needed / deficient thus skewing thetest results.The following list is a compilation of resources for obtaining the Iodineloading test.Hakala Research885 Parfet Street Unit ELakewood, CO 80215877.238.1779*** It is not recommended that you do the spot test as this is only anindicator of how much iodine is in the diet and offers no real value to thebody saturation. The two asterisk items are the recommended tests.** Iodine Loading Kit Only $70Iodine Spot Level Kit Only $70Iodine Spot and Loading Kit $95** Bromide Level Testing (must be combined with one of the above kits) $35Test prices do not include return shipping.They now also offer iodine serum/saliva testing to check for Organification/ Oxidation issues as well as symporter defects. The test is available twoways:1. 24 hour Iodine loading test plus the serum saliva ratio cost: $155.00.2. Serum saliva ratio without the urine test cost: $110.00.The serum/saliva ratio gives the degree of usage of iodine within the cell,if the ratio is below normal this signifies a symporter defect (NIS) whilea higher than normal ratio points to an organification problem.According to Dr. Abrahams articles the symporter can be repaired using 3 gmof slow release Vitamin C per day, the organification issue responds to ATPCoFactors (Riboflavin 100mg + NoFlush Niacin 500mg) twice daily.=============================================================================FFP LabsDr. Jorg Flechas MD80 Doctors Drive Ste 3ville, NC 28792(1-877-900-5556)The cost of this test is $80.If it is not ordered by a physician you must tell them you are ordering iton your own and they will assign you to a nurse practitioner. When you getthe results of this test you can receive a free consultation with Dr. Flechas.You may also obtain a urine spot test for an additional $30 for a total of$110 for both tests.Spot / Loading / Bromide test can be obtained for $230=============================================================================Vitamin Research Products** As of the last time this test was reviewed no bromide testing is available.<http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137>http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137 $100 for both the spot and loading test.Kit requires an ordering physician.=============================================================================Doctors Data** This lab does not seem to report in the manner that is described in Dr.Abraham's research so it is difficult to determine true saturation andbromide levels.Pre and post loading - requires an ordering physician.<http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118>http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118 ====================================================================================ZRT LaboratoriesThis is a new test that is not performed in the manner outlined by Dr.Abraham, Dr Brownstein or Dr. Flechas which has been used effectively sincethe 1990's. It has not been proven to correlate with the health conditionsof those with iodine deficiency and does not offer a bromide level testwhich is critical in determining how accurate the saturation level is. Atthis point the Iodine group does not recommend this test.19. Recommended Reading.Many of the questions asked over and over are covered in these referencematerials. Please familiarize yourself with them to help with limiting therepetition of information on the group.a. Dr Brownstein Iodine Why You Need It, Why You Can't LiveWithout it <http://www.drbrownstein.com>www.drbrownstein.comb. Dr. Brownstein Salt Your Way To Healthc. Dr. Derry Breast Cancer and Iodine: How to Prevent andHow to Survive Breast Cancer<http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm>http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm d. <http://www.optimox.com>www.optimox.com - Research by Dr. GuyAbraham the founder of The Iodine Projecte. <http://www.iodine4health.com>www.iodine4health.com - The IodineGroup's repository for Iodine research.20. INDEXAdrenal fatigue, 6Antibodies, 5Atomidine iodine. See Detoxified iodineATP, 3, 5ATP CoFactorsas optional supporting nutrient, 2physiology, 5Autoimmune thyroid diseasesmechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause, 4Breast cancer, 6Bromide testingin combination with iodine loading test, 6ordering, 7, 8second testing, 6Bromides. See also Detoxificationand the iodine loading test, 6and weight gain, 4bombarding our systems, 2normal levels of, 6sources of, 3Calcium, weight gain and, 4Cancerbreast cancer, 6how much iodine to take, 2Celtic sea salt. See Salt, unrefinedChelation, mercury amalgam fillings and, 4Children, how much iodine to take, 2Chlorine, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Companion nutrients. See Supporting nutrients requiredDental mercury amalgam fillings, 4Detoxificationforms of iodine not producing, 1length of time expected for, 3symptoms of, salt loading protocol to alleviate, 3Detoxified iodineamount of iodine in, 1for children under 3 years, 2Doctors Data (laboratory), 8Ferritin levels dropping, 4FFP Labs, 8Flame retardants, as source of bromides, 3Fluoride, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Foodas source of bromides, 3taking supplements with, 3Forms of iodine, 1Free T3, and rise in TSH, 6Free T4, and rise in TSH, 6Graves' diseaseantibodies and, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause of, 5Hakala Research (laboratory), 7Halides. See also Bromides; Detoxificationlist of types of, 2Hashimoto's disease, 4cause underlying, 4mechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6How much iodine to takecancer, 2children, 2maintenance, 2with false saturation results, 6Iodinated lipids, 5Iodinedosage. See How much iodine to takeforms of, 1saturation with. See Saturation with iodinetesting. See Iodine Loading Testwhen to take, 3Iodine Loading Testand bromides, effect on results of, 6ordered with Bromide Levels Test, 7ordering, 7, 8second testing, time for, 6Iodine Spot Test, 7, 8Iodoralamount of iodine per tablet, 1how much to take, 2where to buy, 3Iosol, 1Length of time to take iodine, 3Lugol's liquid iodineamount of iodine per drop, 1how much to take, 2Magnascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineMagnesiumas supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2weight gain and, 4Mercuryamalgam fillings in teeth, 4bombarding our systems, 2Nascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineNiacinas optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6no-flush, amount to take, 7physiology and, 5Oxidation/organification of iodineATP CoFactors to treat, 7physiology, 4test to check function of, 7Patch test on skin, 4Phosphorylation, 5Prolamine (Standard Process), 1Resourcescancer and iodine, 2Dr. Brownstein books, 9Dr. Derry article, 9Dr. Guy Abraham articles (Optimox site), 9Iodine Group's iodine research site, 9skin patch test, 4where to buy Iodoral, 3www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6Riboflavinamount to take, 7as optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6physiology and, 5Salt loading protocol, 3Salt, unrefinedadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2function in body, 2, 3in salt loading protocol, 3Saturation with iodineand false readings, 6Detoxified iodine not providing, 1Seleniumand cancer, 2as supporting nutrient, 2Skin patch test, 4Supporting nutrients requiredamounts and functions, 2when to take, 3Symporter defectsand false high reading in saturation levels, 7test for, 7Vitamin C in treatment of, 7T3, free. See Free T4T4, free. See Free T4Thyroglobulin, 5, 6Thyroid hormonesferritin in production of, 4iodine in production of, 5, 6selenium in production of, 2TSH rising and, 6Timefor second round of testing, 6length of, to take iodine, 3of day, to take supplements, 3TPO, 5TSH rise, following iodine supplementation, 6Vitamin B group, and weight gain, 4Vitamin B2. See RiboflavinVitamin B3. See NiacinVitamin Cadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, 2symporter defects healing with, 7Vitamin D, 4Vitamin Research Products, 8Weight gain, 4www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6ZRT Laboratories, 8~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I wouldn't touch yeast with a ten foot pole. Yeast is a cause of cancer. Not to mention overgrowth of candida. Not my idea of healthy at all. JMO.Nonie iodine From: renee-butts@...Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 16:15:14 -0500Subject: Speaking of Selenium My doc said to stop taking Brazil Nuts that they are too hard on the liver (or kidney)--- And to just take yeast based Selenium tablets--- I know a lot of you are very knowledgeable---do you have an opinion on that? I would rather take the nuts, but---can do either--- Thank you--- From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of HillSent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 1:07 PMiodine Subject: Re: For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email body I read all of this in the files yes. I never saw as i said anywhere where it states how much to start on, how to increase at what dose. I am very concerned that this will make me ill, and feel even worse. But i started on 27 mgs. I did see to max out at 50 mgs. So i will ramp up i guess to 50 mgs. And thanks for all your work and thanks to too. Many thanks. I am taking the C, mag, and am eating several Brazil nuts daily to give me the selenium. I think the nuts are enough selenium. I hope. If you don't think so, will you plz let me know. I will then get some selenium. Thanks again. Bek From: Kathleen Blake <kathleenblake@...>Subject: For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email bodyiodine Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 10:45 PM Bek, this is for you incase you can't find this in the Files. was kind enough to put this in an email form for us. Best, Kathleen For any members who cannot d/l or access the Files on the website:Below is appended the New Member Document. This contains all the info youneed to get started. Please read, and then ask questions thatremain. Thank you :)Iodine information to get you started Commonly Asked Questions.1. Forms of Iodine2. How much Iodine do I need to take?3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?5. How long should I take Iodine?6. Where can I buy Iodoral?7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?8. What are the sources of Bromide?9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so Imust be very deficient.10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYA Proposed Mechanism for the Development of Autoimmune Thyroid DisordersWhat Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessHow to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders14. My TSH went up on Iodine.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.19. Recommended Reading.1. Forms of Iodinea. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified or Atomidine) Based onEdgar Cayce's "energized" iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1%concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electro-magnetically transmuted(while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild acid solution) intothe Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 mcg or .150 mg of Iodine. This form willnot saturate body tissues and has not been proven to detox halides such asbromide, fluoride, chloride, and mercury, as other forms have.b. Iosol 1830 mcg / drop of Iodine onlyc. Prolamine (Standard Process) 3 mgs Iodine onlyd. Lugol's liquid Iodine / Potassium Iodide 2% and 5%solutions. 5% solution is 6.25 mgs / drop.e. Iodoral Lugol's formula in pill form Iodine / PotassiumIodide - 12.5 mgs & 50 mgs2. How much Iodine do I need to take?There are no amounts that can be given as a blanketrecommendation. Everyone needs different amounts based on their body'sability to utilize the nutrients as well as the level of toxic halideexposure they have each day. If you are dealing with a severe healthcondition then your dosages would need to be higher than those trying tomaintain good health.a. Maintenance It was once believed that a good maintenance dose is25 mgs per day. But with more information being gained about the exposuresto halides bombarding our systems (bromides, fluorides, chlorine) as wellas mercury, etc., maintenance of health may require higher doses ofiodine. The iodine doctors are now beginning to believe that 50 mgs may bethe minimum required dose.b. Cancer Cancer is a result of mutated cells. Iodine is absolutelycritical for something called P53 gene which is known as the "keeper of thegenetic code". Without iodine and selenium it will not function toeliminate abnormal cells from the body such as cancer. Cancer patientshave taken anywhere from 50 300 mgs / day successfully. Here is a goodarticle on how P53 works with the mdm2 in cancer<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm For information on the P53 and Iodine see the Minerals for the Genetic Codebook.c. Children These are the levels that I gave my children at thevarious ages. This is not meant to be a recommendation but a guideline forwhat was safe for my (Dr. Buist) children and others I have been in contactwith.i. Up to 3 years 3 drops of Detoxified Iodine(<http://www.iodinesource.com>www.iodinesource.com) per day or take 1 dropof 5% Lugol's solution in water and then take ½ of the water and give itto the child. This results in 3.125 mgs / dose.ii. 3yrs to 5 yrs 6.25 mgs of Iodoral or 1 drop 5% LugolsSolution(6.25 mgs)iii. 5 yrs to 9 yrs 12.5 mgs of Iodoral or 2 drops 5% LugolsSolution (12.5 mgs)iv. 9 yrs to 16 yrs 25 mgs of Iodoral or 4 drops 5% LugolsSolution (25 mgs)v. 16 yrs and up will depend on health issues, weight, etcand cannot be given in generalities. Dosages range from 12.5 mgs to 300 mgs.3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.These are required to support the body while supplementing with iodine:a. Vit C 2,000 5,000 mgs / day supports the symporters andassists as an antioxidant to detoxing.b. Selenium 200 400 mcg / day needed for detoxification andthyroid hormone creation.c. Unrefined salt (Celtic) ½ tsp / day supports adrenals, bindsto bromide and assists in removal, supports symporters (sodium iodinesymporters or NIS)d. Magnesium 400 mgs / day critical for over 300 enzyme reactionsin the body.e. Optional ATP CoFactors -1 tablet 2x / day when individualscontinue to feel fatigued or have autoimmune thyroid disease this productcan assist in increasing ATP (energy) within the cells. Riboflavin andno-flush niacin.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?a. Iodine should be taken with food. This seems to enhanceabsorption as well as protecting sensitive stomachs from a potential upset.b. The supporting nutrients can be taken with iodine and withfood. There is no spacing or timing required.c. Iodine should be taken earlier in the day (before 2 pm) becausefor some it increases energy so much that they are unable to sleep.5. How long should I take Iodine?Dr. Abraham has states that it should take 6 months of 50 mgs to reach 90%saturation. However, as testing has become more widely available, it seemsto be taking individuals years to detox halides and allow the iodine toenter the cells. Consequently, there is no set time that a person canexpect to supplement and reach saturation levels.6. Where can I buy Iodoral?These are a few sources that have been found to be a good option.a. www.breastcancerchoices.org - ships internationally / freeshipping with larger ordersb. www.illnessisoptional.com - ships internationallyc. www.vrp.com - ships internationallyd. www.amazon.come. You can check Froogle (google shopping tool) to find the currentcosts of various suppliers http://tinyurl.com/49zvmrl7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?Perform the salt loading protocol when you are experiencing detoxificationsymptoms with iodine supplementation. **Note that you should not need todo this for more than 3 days. If you do then you need to reduce yourdosing of iodine.1/2 tsp celtic (or other unrefined) salt in 1/2 cup of warm waterFollow the above with a glass of 12 oz filtered water.** Repeat every 30-45 minutes as needed until urination begins.Why does this help?Salt - containing chloride - binds to the bromide in the blood stream andcarries it out through the kidneys.8. What are the sources of Bromide?Over and over people come to the Iodine group claiming that they can'tpossibly be toxic in bromide because they are gluten free, eat a cleandiet, etc. Guess what? It isn't diet related in most cases. Bromide is aflame retardant that is used in and on many items around you. Theseinclude carpeting, furniture, mattresses, clothing, computers, iPhones, andautomobiles just to name a few. Food sources can include items likebaked goods that contain brominated flour or vegetable oil as well as softdrinks like Mountain Dew and other citrus based sodas. It can also befound in some Gatorade products. For many years it was used in the form ofMethyl Bromide as a pesticide on strawberries.9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly soI must be very deficient.Not necessarily. The patch test isn't very scientific and many factors gointo why it disappears. Read the following article by Dr. Abraham for moreinformation<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.This has been happening to people taking 50 mgs or more of Iodoral. It hasbeen rectified by adding a B6 Complex along with an iron supplement tohelp restore ferritin to normal levels. It is thought to occur due to anincrease in metabolic rate that requires more iron. Sufficient ferritinlevels (60-70) are needed to create and utilize thyroid hormones.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.Unfortunately this can occur in those that are very toxic in halides likebromide. If your detoxification pathways are not able to eliminate thetoxins being released by iodine then your body will buffer them with waterand fat. It may be due, in part, to lowered calcium levels as well asmagnesium, vit D, and B Vitamins. All work to maintain balance in thecells and eliminate toxins.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?While iodine does seem to pull out mercury from the cells / tissues of thebody, there has been no indication that it is dangerous to take iodinewhile amalgams remain in the body. If there is concern, supplements likecilantro, chlorella and others can be used to help bind and carry themercury out of the body. Consulting with a good holistic / biologicaldentist as well as an alternative medicine doctor can help to assess yourtoxicity level and assist you in safe removal of amalgams and chelation.13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Dr. Brownstein believes that low iodine is one the key causes inautoimmune thyroid disease. The following is an excerpt from Dr.Brownstein's Iodine book.THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY ANDANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYChapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of theiodinated form of lactone ( - Iodolactone).- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its productionis also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification of iodine.As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occursthrough the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product inorder to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organificationcan occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroidhormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3,this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinatedlipids-iodolactone.Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand,-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. Ifthere is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequateamounts of -iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroidcell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such asHashimoto's or Graves' disease.A Proposed Mechanism for the Development ofAutoimmune Thyroid DisordersThe NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. Themitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondriaproduce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidativephosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiarwith oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many stepsresponsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many itemsincluding: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatiguesyndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP isthe molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantlyproducing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that isbeyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2(riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidativephosphorylation and ATP production.Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is thisproduction of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidationprocess of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide toform iodine.If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDAfor iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produceiodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of -iodolactoneand other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the 'brake' in the pathwayto oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too muchhydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessThe body's response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO oranti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto's disease requires thepresence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surroundingproteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulinwill result in the body producing antibodies againstthyroglobulinanti-thyroglobulin antibodies.In most cases of Hashimoto's disease, there are antibodies to both TPO andthyroglobulin present. Although Graves' disease may also possess thesesame antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosisof Graves' disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that thetreatment for both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease can follow a similarcourse with similar positive outcomes.How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate toiodinate lipids.2. Take Vitamins B2 (Riboflavin) and B3 (Niacin) in amountsnecessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria withantioxidants.4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels.5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body.14. My TSH went up on Iodine.This is a common occurrence when a person starts to take iodine after beingdeficient. The body increases TSH to stimulate production of thyroglobulinwhich is used to bind to the iodine in thyroid hormoneproduction. Individuals can have TSH levels as high as 75 for up to 6months without clinical signs of hypothyroidism. The best values to checkwith labs if there is a concern are the Free T3 and Free T4. You will findin most cases that the "frees" are nicely within the ranges.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Iodine is used by every gland and mucosal lining and is needed to healthe adrenals. You should also use unrefined salt to support them as wellas Vitamin C. Other products such as ashwaganda, licorice root, adrenalglandulars and in severe conditions a doctor can prescribe hydrocortisoneto replace the body's deficiency.16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.The best resource for breast cancer is<http://www.breastcancerchoices.org>www.breastcancerchoices.org which is anon-profit organization run by Lynne Farrow who is a breast cancersurvivor. They are dedicated to the grass roots research into iodine'seffectiveness as treatment.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.As the years have gone by members of the group have been testing relativelyhigh in their saturation levels with the Iodine loading tests. This isusually met with jubilation that they are at a good level. But wait! Thisisn't a place to stop. A bromide level test has become available and canbe added to the loading test. This is highly recommended because it givesa clearer picture of what the TRUE status of the saturation level is. As ageneral rule if you see a higher saturation level (80% or above) with abromide level over 10 mgs/L (the upper limit of normal per Dr. Guy Abraham)you are bromide toxic and the receptors that would normally be able to pulliodine into the cells cannot because bromide is blocking thereceptors. This will result in a high level of iodine being eliminated inthe urine indicating (falsely) that you are more saturated than youare. Persons with results such as these should consider supplementing withLugol's or Iodoral in doses of 50 mgs or more for 6 mos to 1 year and thenretest Iodine Loading and Bromide levels to see what the new statusis. Dr. Abraham has stated that this amount of time is needed to makesignificant progress in detoxing and to build saturation in thecells. After supplementing for 6 mos to 1 year, the trend has been to seesaturation levels go down while bromide elimination levels increase.Another reason for a false high reading in saturation levels is due todefects in the symporters of the cells. Dr. Abraham addresses this on hiswebsite at<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm which suggests the usage of Vitamin C to heal symporters.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.It is recommended that you order both the 24 hour loading and bromide leveltest. We recommend this because you may obtain a high saturation level andbelieve that your levels are fine when in fact bromide toxicity will blockthe iodine receptors not allowing iodine to enter the cell which results inan elimination of iodine when it is needed / deficient thus skewing thetest results.The following list is a compilation of resources for obtaining the Iodineloading test.Hakala Research885 Parfet Street Unit ELakewood, CO 80215877.238.1779*** It is not recommended that you do the spot test as this is only anindicator of how much iodine is in the diet and offers no real value to thebody saturation. The two asterisk items are the recommended tests.** Iodine Loading Kit Only $70Iodine Spot Level Kit Only $70Iodine Spot and Loading Kit $95** Bromide Level Testing (must be combined with one of the above kits) $35Test prices do not include return shipping.They now also offer iodine serum/saliva testing to check for Organification/ Oxidation issues as well as symporter defects. The test is available twoways:1. 24 hour Iodine loading test plus the serum saliva ratio cost: $155.00.2. Serum saliva ratio without the urine test cost: $110.00.The serum/saliva ratio gives the degree of usage of iodine within the cell,if the ratio is below normal this signifies a symporter defect (NIS) whilea higher than normal ratio points to an organification problem.According to Dr. Abrahams articles the symporter can be repaired using 3 gmof slow release Vitamin C per day, the organification issue responds to ATPCoFactors (Riboflavin 100mg + NoFlush Niacin 500mg) twice daily.=============================================================================FFP LabsDr. Jorg Flechas MD80 Doctors Drive Ste 3ville, NC 28792(1-877-900-5556)The cost of this test is $80.If it is not ordered by a physician you must tell them you are ordering iton your own and they will assign you to a nurse practitioner. When you getthe results of this test you can receive a free consultation with Dr. Flechas.You may also obtain a urine spot test for an additional $30 for a total of$110 for both tests.Spot / Loading / Bromide test can be obtained for $230=============================================================================Vitamin Research Products** As of the last time this test was reviewed no bromide testing is available.<http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137>http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137 $100 for both the spot and loading test.Kit requires an ordering physician.=============================================================================Doctors Data** This lab does not seem to report in the manner that is described in Dr.Abraham's research so it is difficult to determine true saturation andbromide levels.Pre and post loading - requires an ordering physician.<http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118>http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118 ====================================================================================ZRT LaboratoriesThis is a new test that is not performed in the manner outlined by Dr.Abraham, Dr Brownstein or Dr. Flechas which has been used effectively sincethe 1990's. It has not been proven to correlate with the health conditionsof those with iodine deficiency and does not offer a bromide level testwhich is critical in determining how accurate the saturation level is. Atthis point the Iodine group does not recommend this test.19. Recommended Reading.Many of the questions asked over and over are covered in these referencematerials. Please familiarize yourself with them to help with limiting therepetition of information on the group.a. Dr Brownstein Iodine Why You Need It, Why You Can't LiveWithout it <http://www.drbrownstein.com>www.drbrownstein.comb. Dr. Brownstein Salt Your Way To Healthc. Dr. Derry Breast Cancer and Iodine: How to Prevent andHow to Survive Breast Cancer<http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm>http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm d. <http://www.optimox.com>www.optimox.com - Research by Dr. GuyAbraham the founder of The Iodine Projecte. <http://www.iodine4health.com>www.iodine4health.com - The IodineGroup's repository for Iodine research.20. INDEXAdrenal fatigue, 6Antibodies, 5Atomidine iodine. See Detoxified iodineATP, 3, 5ATP CoFactorsas optional supporting nutrient, 2physiology, 5Autoimmune thyroid diseasesmechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause, 4Breast cancer, 6Bromide testingin combination with iodine loading test, 6ordering, 7, 8second testing, 6Bromides. See also Detoxificationand the iodine loading test, 6and weight gain, 4bombarding our systems, 2normal levels of, 6sources of, 3Calcium, weight gain and, 4Cancerbreast cancer, 6how much iodine to take, 2Celtic sea salt. See Salt, unrefinedChelation, mercury amalgam fillings and, 4Children, how much iodine to take, 2Chlorine, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Companion nutrients. See Supporting nutrients requiredDental mercury amalgam fillings, 4Detoxificationforms of iodine not producing, 1length of time expected for, 3symptoms of, salt loading protocol to alleviate, 3Detoxified iodineamount of iodine in, 1for children under 3 years, 2Doctors Data (laboratory), 8Ferritin levels dropping, 4FFP Labs, 8Flame retardants, as source of bromides, 3Fluoride, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Foodas source of bromides, 3taking supplements with, 3Forms of iodine, 1Free T3, and rise in TSH, 6Free T4, and rise in TSH, 6Graves' diseaseantibodies and, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause of, 5Hakala Research (laboratory), 7Halides. See also Bromides; Detoxificationlist of types of, 2Hashimoto's disease, 4cause underlying, 4mechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6How much iodine to takecancer, 2children, 2maintenance, 2with false saturation results, 6Iodinated lipids, 5Iodinedosage. See How much iodine to takeforms of, 1saturation with. See Saturation with iodinetesting. See Iodine Loading Testwhen to take, 3Iodine Loading Testand bromides, effect on results of, 6ordered with Bromide Levels Test, 7ordering, 7, 8second testing, time for, 6Iodine Spot Test, 7, 8Iodoralamount of iodine per tablet, 1how much to take, 2where to buy, 3Iosol, 1Length of time to take iodine, 3Lugol's liquid iodineamount of iodine per drop, 1how much to take, 2Magnascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineMagnesiumas supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2weight gain and, 4Mercuryamalgam fillings in teeth, 4bombarding our systems, 2Nascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineNiacinas optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6no-flush, amount to take, 7physiology and, 5Oxidation/organification of iodineATP CoFactors to treat, 7physiology, 4test to check function of, 7Patch test on skin, 4Phosphorylation, 5Prolamine (Standard Process), 1Resourcescancer and iodine, 2Dr. Brownstein books, 9Dr. Derry article, 9Dr. Guy Abraham articles (Optimox site), 9Iodine Group's iodine research site, 9skin patch test, 4where to buy Iodoral, 3www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6Riboflavinamount to take, 7as optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6physiology and, 5Salt loading protocol, 3Salt, unrefinedadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2function in body, 2, 3in salt loading protocol, 3Saturation with iodineand false readings, 6Detoxified iodine not providing, 1Seleniumand cancer, 2as supporting nutrient, 2Skin patch test, 4Supporting nutrients requiredamounts and functions, 2when to take, 3Symporter defectsand false high reading in saturation levels, 7test for, 7Vitamin C in treatment of, 7T3, free. See Free T4T4, free. See Free T4Thyroglobulin, 5, 6Thyroid hormonesferritin in production of, 4iodine in production of, 5, 6selenium in production of, 2TSH rising and, 6Timefor second round of testing, 6length of, to take iodine, 3of day, to take supplements, 3TPO, 5TSH rise, following iodine supplementation, 6Vitamin B group, and weight gain, 4Vitamin B2. See RiboflavinVitamin B3. See NiacinVitamin Cadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, 2symporter defects healing with, 7Vitamin D, 4Vitamin Research Products, 8Weight gain, 4www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6ZRT Laboratories, 8~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Um, SOunds like you have an uniformed dr. to me, just as i do, nuts aren't hard on the body in any way unless you eat too many. They are great way to get healthy fats too. And chock full of selenium. So i will continue to eat them for my selenium. No one answered as to whether i should or not actually. Thanks, Bek From: Kathleen Blake <kathleenblake@...>Subject: For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email bodyiodine Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 10:45 PM Bek, this is for you incase you can't find this in the Files. was kind enough to put this in an email form for us. Best, Kathleen For any members who cannot d/l or access the Files on the website:Below is appended the New Member Document. This contains all the info youneed to get started. Please read, and then ask questions thatremain. Thank you :)Iodine information to get you started Commonly Asked Questions.1. Forms of Iodine2. How much Iodine do I need to take?3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?5. How long should I take Iodine?6. Where can I buy Iodoral?7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?8. What are the sources of Bromide?9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so Imust be very deficient.10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYA Proposed Mechanism for the Development of Autoimmune Thyroid DisordersWhat Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessHow to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders14. My TSH went up on Iodine.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.19. Recommended Reading.1. Forms of Iodinea. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified or Atomidine) Based onEdgar Cayce's "energized" iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1%concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electro-magnetically transmuted(while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild acid solution) intothe Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 mcg or .150 mg of Iodine. This form willnot saturate body tissues and has not been proven to detox halides such asbromide, fluoride, chloride, and mercury, as other forms have.b. Iosol 1830 mcg / drop of Iodine onlyc. Prolamine (Standard Process) 3 mgs Iodine onlyd. Lugol's liquid Iodine / Potassium Iodide 2% and 5%solutions. 5% solution is 6.25 mgs / drop.e. Iodoral Lugol's formula in pill form Iodine / PotassiumIodide - 12.5 mgs & 50 mgs2. How much Iodine do I need to take?There are no amounts that can be given as a blanketrecommendation. Everyone needs different amounts based on their body'sability to utilize the nutrients as well as the level of toxic halideexposure they have each day. If you are dealing with a severe healthcondition then your dosages would need to be higher than those trying tomaintain good health.a. Maintenance It was once believed that a good maintenance dose is25 mgs per day. But with more information being gained about the exposuresto halides bombarding our systems (bromides, fluorides, chlorine) as wellas mercury, etc., maintenance of health may require higher doses ofiodine. The iodine doctors are now beginning to believe that 50 mgs may bethe minimum required dose.b. Cancer Cancer is a result of mutated cells. Iodine is absolutelycritical for something called P53 gene which is known as the "keeper of thegenetic code". Without iodine and selenium it will not function toeliminate abnormal cells from the body such as cancer. Cancer patientshave taken anywhere from 50 300 mgs / day successfully. Here is a goodarticle on how P53 works with the mdm2 in cancer<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm For information on the P53 and Iodine see the Minerals for the Genetic Codebook.c. Children These are the levels that I gave my children at thevarious ages. This is not meant to be a recommendation but a guideline forwhat was safe for my (Dr. Buist) children and others I have been in contactwith.i. Up to 3 years 3 drops of Detoxified Iodine(<http://www.iodinesource.com>www.iodinesource.com) per day or take 1 dropof 5% Lugol's solution in water and then take ½ of the water and give itto the child. This results in 3.125 mgs / dose.ii. 3yrs to 5 yrs 6.25 mgs of Iodoral or 1 drop 5% LugolsSolution(6.25 mgs)iii. 5 yrs to 9 yrs 12.5 mgs of Iodoral or 2 drops 5% LugolsSolution (12.5 mgs)iv. 9 yrs to 16 yrs 25 mgs of Iodoral or 4 drops 5% LugolsSolution (25 mgs)v. 16 yrs and up will depend on health issues, weight, etcand cannot be given in generalities. Dosages range from 12.5 mgs to 300 mgs.3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.These are required to support the body while supplementing with iodine:a. Vit C 2,000 5,000 mgs / day supports the symporters andassists as an antioxidant to detoxing.b. Selenium 200 400 mcg / day needed for detoxification andthyroid hormone creation.c. Unrefined salt (Celtic) ½ tsp / day supports adrenals, bindsto bromide and assists in removal, supports symporters (sodium iodinesymporters or NIS)d. Magnesium 400 mgs / day critical for over 300 enzyme reactionsin the body.e. Optional ATP CoFactors -1 tablet 2x / day when individualscontinue to feel fatigued or have autoimmune thyroid disease this productcan assist in increasing ATP (energy) within the cells. Riboflavin andno-flush niacin.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?a. Iodine should be taken with food. This seems to enhanceabsorption as well as protecting sensitive stomachs from a potential upset.b. The supporting nutrients can be taken with iodine and withfood. There is no spacing or timing required.c. Iodine should be taken earlier in the day (before 2 pm) becausefor some it increases energy so much that they are unable to sleep.5. How long should I take Iodine?Dr. Abraham has states that it should take 6 months of 50 mgs to reach 90%saturation. However, as testing has become more widely available, it seemsto be taking individuals years to detox halides and allow the iodine toenter the cells. Consequently, there is no set time that a person canexpect to supplement and reach saturation levels.6. Where can I buy Iodoral?These are a few sources that have been found to be a good option.a. www.breastcancerchoices.org - ships internationally / freeshipping with larger ordersb. www.illnessisoptional.com - ships internationallyc. www.vrp.com - ships internationallyd. www.amazon.come. You can check Froogle (google shopping tool) to find the currentcosts of various suppliers http://tinyurl.com/49zvmrl7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?Perform the salt loading protocol when you are experiencing detoxificationsymptoms with iodine supplementation. **Note that you should not need todo this for more than 3 days. If you do then you need to reduce yourdosing of iodine.1/2 tsp celtic (or other unrefined) salt in 1/2 cup of warm waterFollow the above with a glass of 12 oz filtered water.** Repeat every 30-45 minutes as needed until urination begins.Why does this help?Salt - containing chloride - binds to the bromide in the blood stream andcarries it out through the kidneys.8. What are the sources of Bromide?Over and over people come to the Iodine group claiming that they can'tpossibly be toxic in bromide because they are gluten free, eat a cleandiet, etc. Guess what? It isn't diet related in most cases. Bromide is aflame retardant that is used in and on many items around you. Theseinclude carpeting, furniture, mattresses, clothing, computers, iPhones, andautomobiles just to name a few. Food sources can include items likebaked goods that contain brominated flour or vegetable oil as well as softdrinks like Mountain Dew and other citrus based sodas. It can also befound in some Gatorade products. For many years it was used in the form ofMethyl Bromide as a pesticide on strawberries.9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly soI must be very deficient.Not necessarily. The patch test isn't very scientific and many factors gointo why it disappears. Read the following article by Dr. Abraham for moreinformation<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.This has been happening to people taking 50 mgs or more of Iodoral. It hasbeen rectified by adding a B6 Complex along with an iron supplement tohelp restore ferritin to normal levels. It is thought to occur due to anincrease in metabolic rate that requires more iron. Sufficient ferritinlevels (60-70) are needed to create and utilize thyroid hormones.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.Unfortunately this can occur in those that are very toxic in halides likebromide. If your detoxification pathways are not able to eliminate thetoxins being released by iodine then your body will buffer them with waterand fat. It may be due, in part, to lowered calcium levels as well asmagnesium, vit D, and B Vitamins. All work to maintain balance in thecells and eliminate toxins.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?While iodine does seem to pull out mercury from the cells / tissues of thebody, there has been no indication that it is dangerous to take iodinewhile amalgams remain in the body. If there is concern, supplements likecilantro, chlorella and others can be used to help bind and carry themercury out of the body. Consulting with a good holistic / biologicaldentist as well as an alternative medicine doctor can help to assess yourtoxicity level and assist you in safe removal of amalgams and chelation.13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Dr. Brownstein believes that low iodine is one the key causes inautoimmune thyroid disease. The following is an excerpt from Dr.Brownstein's Iodine book.THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY ANDANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYChapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of theiodinated form of lactone ( - Iodolactone).- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its productionis also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification of iodine.As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occursthrough the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product inorder to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organificationcan occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroidhormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3,this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinatedlipids-iodolactone.Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand,-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. Ifthere is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequateamounts of -iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroidcell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such asHashimoto's or Graves' disease.A Proposed Mechanism for the Development ofAutoimmune Thyroid DisordersThe NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. Themitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondriaproduce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidativephosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiarwith oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many stepsresponsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many itemsincluding: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatiguesyndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP isthe molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantlyproducing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that isbeyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2(riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidativephosphorylation and ATP production.Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is thisproduction of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidationprocess of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide toform iodine.If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDAfor iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produceiodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of -iodolactoneand other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the 'brake' in the pathwayto oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too muchhydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessThe body's response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO oranti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto's disease requires thepresence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surroundingproteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulinwill result in the body producing antibodies againstthyroglobulinanti-thyroglobulin antibodies.In most cases of Hashimoto's disease, there are antibodies to both TPO andthyroglobulin present. Although Graves' disease may also possess thesesame antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosisof Graves' disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that thetreatment for both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease can follow a similarcourse with similar positive outcomes.How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate toiodinate lipids.2. Take Vitamins B2 (Riboflavin) and B3 (Niacin) in amountsnecessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria withantioxidants.4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels.5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body.14. My TSH went up on Iodine.This is a common occurrence when a person starts to take iodine after beingdeficient. The body increases TSH to stimulate production of thyroglobulinwhich is used to bind to the iodine in thyroid hormoneproduction. Individuals can have TSH levels as high as 75 for up to 6months without clinical signs of hypothyroidism. The best values to checkwith labs if there is a concern are the Free T3 and Free T4. You will findin most cases that the "frees" are nicely within the ranges.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Iodine is used by every gland and mucosal lining and is needed to healthe adrenals. You should also use unrefined salt to support them as wellas Vitamin C. Other products such as ashwaganda, licorice root, adrenalglandulars and in severe conditions a doctor can prescribe hydrocortisoneto replace the body's deficiency.16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.The best resource for breast cancer is<http://www.breastcancerchoices.org>www.breastcancerchoices.org which is anon-profit organization run by Lynne Farrow who is a breast cancersurvivor. They are dedicated to the grass roots research into iodine'seffectiveness as treatment.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.As the years have gone by members of the group have been testing relativelyhigh in their saturation levels with the Iodine loading tests. This isusually met with jubilation that they are at a good level. But wait! Thisisn't a place to stop. A bromide level test has become available and canbe added to the loading test. This is highly recommended because it givesa clearer picture of what the TRUE status of the saturation level is. As ageneral rule if you see a higher saturation level (80% or above) with abromide level over 10 mgs/L (the upper limit of normal per Dr. Guy Abraham)you are bromide toxic and the receptors that would normally be able to pulliodine into the cells cannot because bromide is blocking thereceptors. This will result in a high level of iodine being eliminated inthe urine indicating (falsely) that you are more saturated than youare. Persons with results such as these should consider supplementing withLugol's or Iodoral in doses of 50 mgs or more for 6 mos to 1 year and thenretest Iodine Loading and Bromide levels to see what the new statusis. Dr. Abraham has stated that this amount of time is needed to makesignificant progress in detoxing and to build saturation in thecells. After supplementing for 6 mos to 1 year, the trend has been to seesaturation levels go down while bromide elimination levels increase.Another reason for a false high reading in saturation levels is due todefects in the symporters of the cells. Dr. Abraham addresses this on hiswebsite at<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm which suggests the usage of Vitamin C to heal symporters.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.It is recommended that you order both the 24 hour loading and bromide leveltest. We recommend this because you may obtain a high saturation level andbelieve that your levels are fine when in fact bromide toxicity will blockthe iodine receptors not allowing iodine to enter the cell which results inan elimination of iodine when it is needed / deficient thus skewing thetest results.The following list is a compilation of resources for obtaining the Iodineloading test.Hakala Research885 Parfet Street Unit ELakewood, CO 80215877.238.1779*** It is not recommended that you do the spot test as this is only anindicator of how much iodine is in the diet and offers no real value to thebody saturation. The two asterisk items are the recommended tests.** Iodine Loading Kit Only $70Iodine Spot Level Kit Only $70Iodine Spot and Loading Kit $95** Bromide Level Testing (must be combined with one of the above kits) $35Test prices do not include return shipping.They now also offer iodine serum/saliva testing to check for Organification/ Oxidation issues as well as symporter defects. The test is available twoways:1. 24 hour Iodine loading test plus the serum saliva ratio cost: $155.00.2. Serum saliva ratio without the urine test cost: $110.00.The serum/saliva ratio gives the degree of usage of iodine within the cell,if the ratio is below normal this signifies a symporter defect (NIS) whilea higher than normal ratio points to an organification problem.According to Dr. Abrahams articles the symporter can be repaired using 3 gmof slow release Vitamin C per day, the organification issue responds to ATPCoFactors (Riboflavin 100mg + NoFlush Niacin 500mg) twice daily.=============================================================================FFP LabsDr. Jorg Flechas MD80 Doctors Drive Ste 3ville, NC 28792(1-877-900-5556)The cost of this test is $80.If it is not ordered by a physician you must tell them you are ordering iton your own and they will assign you to a nurse practitioner. When you getthe results of this test you can receive a free consultation with Dr. Flechas.You may also obtain a urine spot test for an additional $30 for a total of$110 for both tests.Spot / Loading / Bromide test can be obtained for $230=============================================================================Vitamin Research Products** As of the last time this test was reviewed no bromide testing is available.<http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137>http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137 $100 for both the spot and loading test.Kit requires an ordering physician.=============================================================================Doctors Data** This lab does not seem to report in the manner that is described in Dr.Abraham's research so it is difficult to determine true saturation andbromide levels.Pre and post loading - requires an ordering physician.<http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118>http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118 ====================================================================================ZRT LaboratoriesThis is a new test that is not performed in the manner outlined by Dr.Abraham, Dr Brownstein or Dr. Flechas which has been used effectively sincethe 1990's. It has not been proven to correlate with the health conditionsof those with iodine deficiency and does not offer a bromide level testwhich is critical in determining how accurate the saturation level is. Atthis point the Iodine group does not recommend this test.19. Recommended Reading.Many of the questions asked over and over are covered in these referencematerials. Please familiarize yourself with them to help with limiting therepetition of information on the group.a. Dr Brownstein Iodine Why You Need It, Why You Can't LiveWithout it <http://www.drbrownstein.com>www.drbrownstein.comb. Dr. Brownstein Salt Your Way To Healthc. Dr. Derry Breast Cancer and Iodine: How to Prevent andHow to Survive Breast Cancer<http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm>http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm d. <http://www.optimox.com>www.optimox.com - Research by Dr. GuyAbraham the founder of The Iodine Projecte. <http://www.iodine4health.com>www.iodine4health.com - The IodineGroup's repository for Iodine research.20. INDEXAdrenal fatigue, 6Antibodies, 5Atomidine iodine. See Detoxified iodineATP, 3, 5ATP CoFactorsas optional supporting nutrient, 2physiology, 5Autoimmune thyroid diseasesmechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause, 4Breast cancer, 6Bromide testingin combination with iodine loading test, 6ordering, 7, 8second testing, 6Bromides. See also Detoxificationand the iodine loading test, 6and weight gain, 4bombarding our systems, 2normal levels of, 6sources of, 3Calcium, weight gain and, 4Cancerbreast cancer, 6how much iodine to take, 2Celtic sea salt. See Salt, unrefinedChelation, mercury amalgam fillings and, 4Children, how much iodine to take, 2Chlorine, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Companion nutrients. See Supporting nutrients requiredDental mercury amalgam fillings, 4Detoxificationforms of iodine not producing, 1length of time expected for, 3symptoms of, salt loading protocol to alleviate, 3Detoxified iodineamount of iodine in, 1for children under 3 years, 2Doctors Data (laboratory), 8Ferritin levels dropping, 4FFP Labs, 8Flame retardants, as source of bromides, 3Fluoride, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Foodas source of bromides, 3taking supplements with, 3Forms of iodine, 1Free T3, and rise in TSH, 6Free T4, and rise in TSH, 6Graves' diseaseantibodies and, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause of, 5Hakala Research (laboratory), 7Halides. See also Bromides; Detoxificationlist of types of, 2Hashimoto's disease, 4cause underlying, 4mechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6How much iodine to takecancer, 2children, 2maintenance, 2with false saturation results, 6Iodinated lipids, 5Iodinedosage. See How much iodine to takeforms of, 1saturation with. See Saturation with iodinetesting. See Iodine Loading Testwhen to take, 3Iodine Loading Testand bromides, effect on results of, 6ordered with Bromide Levels Test, 7ordering, 7, 8second testing, time for, 6Iodine Spot Test, 7, 8Iodoralamount of iodine per tablet, 1how much to take, 2where to buy, 3Iosol, 1Length of time to take iodine, 3Lugol's liquid iodineamount of iodine per drop, 1how much to take, 2Magnascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineMagnesiumas supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2weight gain and, 4Mercuryamalgam fillings in teeth, 4bombarding our systems, 2Nascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineNiacinas optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6no-flush, amount to take, 7physiology and, 5Oxidation/organification of iodineATP CoFactors to treat, 7physiology, 4test to check function of, 7Patch test on skin, 4Phosphorylation, 5Prolamine (Standard Process), 1Resourcescancer and iodine, 2Dr. Brownstein books, 9Dr. Derry article, 9Dr. Guy Abraham articles (Optimox site), 9Iodine Group's iodine research site, 9skin patch test, 4where to buy Iodoral, 3www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6Riboflavinamount to take, 7as optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6physiology and, 5Salt loading protocol, 3Salt, unrefinedadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2function in body, 2, 3in salt loading protocol, 3Saturation with iodineand false readings, 6Detoxified iodine not providing, 1Seleniumand cancer, 2as supporting nutrient, 2Skin patch test, 4Supporting nutrients requiredamounts and functions, 2when to take, 3Symporter defectsand false high reading in saturation levels, 7test for, 7Vitamin C in treatment of, 7T3, free. See Free T4T4, free. See Free T4Thyroglobulin, 5, 6Thyroid hormonesferritin in production of, 4iodine in production of, 5, 6selenium in production of, 2TSH rising and, 6Timefor second round of testing, 6length of, to take iodine, 3of day, to take supplements, 3TPO, 5TSH rise, following iodine supplementation, 6Vitamin B group, and weight gain, 4Vitamin B2. See RiboflavinVitamin B3. See NiacinVitamin Cadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, 2symporter defects healing with, 7Vitamin D, 4Vitamin Research Products, 8Weight gain, 4www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6ZRT Laboratories, 8~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011  Hi Bek, Actually I did answer your question. You must have missed it. I said it is better to get your selenium from a supplement because that way you are sure to get the recommended amount. There is no way to measure the selenium in a nut. Best, Kathleen For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email bodyiodine Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 10:45 PM Bek, this is for you incase you can't find this in the Files. was kind enough to put this in an email form for us. Best, Kathleen For any members who cannot d/l or access the Files on the website:Below is appended the New Member Document. This contains all the info youneed to get started. Please read, and then ask questions thatremain. Thank you :)Iodine information to get you started Commonly Asked Questions.1. Forms of Iodine2. How much Iodine do I need to take?3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?5. How long should I take Iodine?6. Where can I buy Iodoral?7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?8. What are the sources of Bromide?9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so Imust be very deficient.10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYA Proposed Mechanism for the Development of Autoimmune Thyroid DisordersWhat Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessHow to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders14. My TSH went up on Iodine.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.19. Recommended Reading.1. Forms of Iodinea. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified or Atomidine) Based onEdgar Cayce's "energized" iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1%concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electro-magnetically transmuted(while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild acid solution) intothe Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 mcg or .150 mg of Iodine. This form willnot saturate body tissues and has not been proven to detox halides such asbromide, fluoride, chloride, and mercury, as other forms have.b. Iosol 1830 mcg / drop of Iodine onlyc. Prolamine (Standard Process) 3 mgs Iodine onlyd. Lugol's liquid Iodine / Potassium Iodide 2% and 5%solutions. 5% solution is 6.25 mgs / drop.e. Iodoral Lugol's formula in pill form Iodine / PotassiumIodide - 12.5 mgs & 50 mgs2. How much Iodine do I need to take?There are no amounts that can be given as a blanketrecommendation. Everyone needs different amounts based on their body'sability to utilize the nutrients as well as the level of toxic halideexposure they have each day. If you are dealing with a severe healthcondition then your dosages would need to be higher than those trying tomaintain good health.a. Maintenance It was once believed that a good maintenance dose is25 mgs per day. But with more information being gained about the exposuresto halides bombarding our systems (bromides, fluorides, chlorine) as wellas mercury, etc., maintenance of health may require higher doses ofiodine. The iodine doctors are now beginning to believe that 50 mgs may bethe minimum required dose.b. Cancer Cancer is a result of mutated cells. Iodine is absolutelycritical for something called P53 gene which is known as the "keeper of thegenetic code". Without iodine and selenium it will not function toeliminate abnormal cells from the body such as cancer. Cancer patientshave taken anywhere from 50 300 mgs / day successfully. Here is a goodarticle on how P53 works with the mdm2 in cancer<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm For information on the P53 and Iodine see the Minerals for the Genetic Codebook.c. Children These are the levels that I gave my children at thevarious ages. This is not meant to be a recommendation but a guideline forwhat was safe for my (Dr. Buist) children and others I have been in contactwith.i. Up to 3 years 3 drops of Detoxified Iodine(<http://www.iodinesource.com>www.iodinesource.com) per day or take 1 dropof 5% Lugol's solution in water and then take ½ of the water and give itto the child. This results in 3.125 mgs / dose.ii. 3yrs to 5 yrs 6.25 mgs of Iodoral or 1 drop 5% LugolsSolution(6.25 mgs)iii. 5 yrs to 9 yrs 12.5 mgs of Iodoral or 2 drops 5% LugolsSolution (12.5 mgs)iv. 9 yrs to 16 yrs 25 mgs of Iodoral or 4 drops 5% LugolsSolution (25 mgs)v. 16 yrs and up will depend on health issues, weight, etcand cannot be given in generalities. Dosages range from 12.5 mgs to 300 mgs.3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.These are required to support the body while supplementing with iodine:a. Vit C 2,000 5,000 mgs / day supports the symporters andassists as an antioxidant to detoxing.b. Selenium 200 400 mcg / day needed for detoxification andthyroid hormone creation.c. Unrefined salt (Celtic) ½ tsp / day supports adrenals, bindsto bromide and assists in removal, supports symporters (sodium iodinesymporters or NIS)d. Magnesium 400 mgs / day critical for over 300 enzyme reactionsin the body.e. Optional ATP CoFactors -1 tablet 2x / day when individualscontinue to feel fatigued or have autoimmune thyroid disease this productcan assist in increasing ATP (energy) within the cells. Riboflavin andno-flush niacin.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?a. Iodine should be taken with food. This seems to enhanceabsorption as well as protecting sensitive stomachs from a potential upset.b. The supporting nutrients can be taken with iodine and withfood. There is no spacing or timing required.c. Iodine should be taken earlier in the day (before 2 pm) becausefor some it increases energy so much that they are unable to sleep.5. How long should I take Iodine?Dr. Abraham has states that it should take 6 months of 50 mgs to reach 90%saturation. However, as testing has become more widely available, it seemsto be taking individuals years to detox halides and allow the iodine toenter the cells. Consequently, there is no set time that a person canexpect to supplement and reach saturation levels.6. Where can I buy Iodoral?These are a few sources that have been found to be a good option.a. www.breastcancerchoices.org - ships internationally / freeshipping with larger ordersb. www.illnessisoptional.com - ships internationallyc. www.vrp.com - ships internationallyd. www.amazon.come. You can check Froogle (google shopping tool) to find the currentcosts of various suppliers http://tinyurl.com/49zvmrl7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?Perform the salt loading protocol when you are experiencing detoxificationsymptoms with iodine supplementation. **Note that you should not need todo this for more than 3 days. If you do then you need to reduce yourdosing of iodine.1/2 tsp celtic (or other unrefined) salt in 1/2 cup of warm waterFollow the above with a glass of 12 oz filtered water.** Repeat every 30-45 minutes as needed until urination begins.Why does this help?Salt - containing chloride - binds to the bromide in the blood stream andcarries it out through the kidneys.8. What are the sources of Bromide?Over and over people come to the Iodine group claiming that they can'tpossibly be toxic in bromide because they are gluten free, eat a cleandiet, etc. Guess what? It isn't diet related in most cases. Bromide is aflame retardant that is used in and on many items around you. Theseinclude carpeting, furniture, mattresses, clothing, computers, iPhones, andautomobiles just to name a few. Food sources can include items likebaked goods that contain brominated flour or vegetable oil as well as softdrinks like Mountain Dew and other citrus based sodas. It can also befound in some Gatorade products. For many years it was used in the form ofMethyl Bromide as a pesticide on strawberries.9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly soI must be very deficient.Not necessarily. The patch test isn't very scientific and many factors gointo why it disappears. Read the following article by Dr. Abraham for moreinformation<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.This has been happening to people taking 50 mgs or more of Iodoral. It hasbeen rectified by adding a B6 Complex along with an iron supplement tohelp restore ferritin to normal levels. It is thought to occur due to anincrease in metabolic rate that requires more iron. Sufficient ferritinlevels (60-70) are needed to create and utilize thyroid hormones.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.Unfortunately this can occur in those that are very toxic in halides likebromide. If your detoxification pathways are not able to eliminate thetoxins being released by iodine then your body will buffer them with waterand fat. It may be due, in part, to lowered calcium levels as well asmagnesium, vit D, and B Vitamins. All work to maintain balance in thecells and eliminate toxins.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?While iodine does seem to pull out mercury from the cells / tissues of thebody, there has been no indication that it is dangerous to take iodinewhile amalgams remain in the body. If there is concern, supplements likecilantro, chlorella and others can be used to help bind and carry themercury out of the body. Consulting with a good holistic / biologicaldentist as well as an alternative medicine doctor can help to assess yourtoxicity level and assist you in safe removal of amalgams and chelation.13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Dr. Brownstein believes that low iodine is one the key causes inautoimmune thyroid disease. The following is an excerpt from Dr.Brownstein's Iodine book.THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY ANDANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYChapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of theiodinated form of lactone ( - Iodolactone).- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its productionis also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification of iodine.As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occursthrough the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product inorder to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organificationcan occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroidhormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3,this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinatedlipids-iodolactone.Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand,-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. Ifthere is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequateamounts of -iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroidcell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such asHashimoto's or Graves' disease.A Proposed Mechanism for the Development ofAutoimmune Thyroid DisordersThe NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. Themitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondriaproduce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidativephosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiarwith oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many stepsresponsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many itemsincluding: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatiguesyndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP isthe molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantlyproducing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that isbeyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2(riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidativephosphorylation and ATP production.Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is thisproduction of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidationprocess of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide toform iodine.If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDAfor iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produceiodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of -iodolactoneand other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the 'brake' in the pathwayto oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too muchhydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessThe body's response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO oranti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto's disease requires thepresence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surroundingproteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulinwill result in the body producing antibodies againstthyroglobulinanti-thyroglobulin antibodies.In most cases of Hashimoto's disease, there are antibodies to both TPO andthyroglobulin present. Although Graves' disease may also possess thesesame antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosisof Graves' disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that thetreatment for both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease can follow a similarcourse with similar positive outcomes.How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate toiodinate lipids.2. Take Vitamins B2 (Riboflavin) and B3 (Niacin) in amountsnecessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria withantioxidants.4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels.5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body.14. My TSH went up on Iodine.This is a common occurrence when a person starts to take iodine after beingdeficient. The body increases TSH to stimulate production of thyroglobulinwhich is used to bind to the iodine in thyroid hormoneproduction. Individuals can have TSH levels as high as 75 for up to 6months without clinical signs of hypothyroidism. The best values to checkwith labs if there is a concern are the Free T3 and Free T4. You will findin most cases that the "frees" are nicely within the ranges.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Iodine is used by every gland and mucosal lining and is needed to healthe adrenals. You should also use unrefined salt to support them as wellas Vitamin C. Other products such as ashwaganda, licorice root, adrenalglandulars and in severe conditions a doctor can prescribe hydrocortisoneto replace the body's deficiency.16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.The best resource for breast cancer is<http://www.breastcancerchoices.org>www.breastcancerchoices.org which is anon-profit organization run by Lynne Farrow who is a breast cancersurvivor. They are dedicated to the grass roots research into iodine'seffectiveness as treatment.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.As the years have gone by members of the group have been testing relativelyhigh in their saturation levels with the Iodine loading tests. This isusually met with jubilation that they are at a good level. But wait! Thisisn't a place to stop. A bromide level test has become available and canbe added to the loading test. This is highly recommended because it givesa clearer picture of what the TRUE status of the saturation level is. As ageneral rule if you see a higher saturation level (80% or above) with abromide level over 10 mgs/L (the upper limit of normal per Dr. Guy Abraham)you are bromide toxic and the receptors that would normally be able to pulliodine into the cells cannot because bromide is blocking thereceptors. This will result in a high level of iodine being eliminated inthe urine indicating (falsely) that you are more saturated than youare. Persons with results such as these should consider supplementing withLugol's or Iodoral in doses of 50 mgs or more for 6 mos to 1 year and thenretest Iodine Loading and Bromide levels to see what the new statusis. Dr. Abraham has stated that this amount of time is needed to makesignificant progress in detoxing and to build saturation in thecells. After supplementing for 6 mos to 1 year, the trend has been to seesaturation levels go down while bromide elimination levels increase.Another reason for a false high reading in saturation levels is due todefects in the symporters of the cells. Dr. Abraham addresses this on hiswebsite at<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm which suggests the usage of Vitamin C to heal symporters.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.It is recommended that you order both the 24 hour loading and bromide leveltest. We recommend this because you may obtain a high saturation level andbelieve that your levels are fine when in fact bromide toxicity will blockthe iodine receptors not allowing iodine to enter the cell which results inan elimination of iodine when it is needed / deficient thus skewing thetest results.The following list is a compilation of resources for obtaining the Iodineloading test.Hakala Research885 Parfet Street Unit ELakewood, CO 80215877.238.1779*** It is not recommended that you do the spot test as this is only anindicator of how much iodine is in the diet and offers no real value to thebody saturation. The two asterisk items are the recommended tests.** Iodine Loading Kit Only $70Iodine Spot Level Kit Only $70Iodine Spot and Loading Kit $95** Bromide Level Testing (must be combined with one of the above kits) $35Test prices do not include return shipping.They now also offer iodine serum/saliva testing to check for Organification/ Oxidation issues as well as symporter defects. The test is available twoways:1. 24 hour Iodine loading test plus the serum saliva ratio cost: $155.00.2. Serum saliva ratio without the urine test cost: $110.00.The serum/saliva ratio gives the degree of usage of iodine within the cell,if the ratio is below normal this signifies a symporter defect (NIS) whilea higher than normal ratio points to an organification problem.According to Dr. Abrahams articles the symporter can be repaired using 3 gmof slow release Vitamin C per day, the organification issue responds to ATPCoFactors (Riboflavin 100mg + NoFlush Niacin 500mg) twice daily.=============================================================================FFP LabsDr. Jorg Flechas MD80 Doctors Drive Ste 3ville, NC 28792(1-877-900-5556)The cost of this test is $80.If it is not ordered by a physician you must tell them you are ordering iton your own and they will assign you to a nurse practitioner. When you getthe results of this test you can receive a free consultation with Dr. Flechas.You may also obtain a urine spot test for an additional $30 for a total of$110 for both tests.Spot / Loading / Bromide test can be obtained for $230=============================================================================Vitamin Research Products** As of the last time this test was reviewed no bromide testing is available.<http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137>http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137 $100 for both the spot and loading test.Kit requires an ordering physician.=============================================================================Doctors Data** This lab does not seem to report in the manner that is described in Dr.Abraham's research so it is difficult to determine true saturation andbromide levels.Pre and post loading - requires an ordering physician.<http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118>http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118 ====================================================================================ZRT LaboratoriesThis is a new test that is not performed in the manner outlined by Dr.Abraham, Dr Brownstein or Dr. Flechas which has been used effectively sincethe 1990's. It has not been proven to correlate with the health conditionsof those with iodine deficiency and does not offer a bromide level testwhich is critical in determining how accurate the saturation level is. Atthis point the Iodine group does not recommend this test.19. Recommended Reading.Many of the questions asked over and over are covered in these referencematerials. Please familiarize yourself with them to help with limiting therepetition of information on the group.a. Dr Brownstein Iodine Why You Need It, Why You Can't LiveWithout it <http://www.drbrownstein.com>www.drbrownstein.comb. Dr. Brownstein Salt Your Way To Healthc. Dr. Derry Breast Cancer and Iodine: How to Prevent andHow to Survive Breast Cancer<http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm>http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm d. <http://www.optimox.com>www.optimox.com - Research by Dr. GuyAbraham the founder of The Iodine Projecte. <http://www.iodine4health.com>www.iodine4health.com - The IodineGroup's repository for Iodine research.20. INDEXAdrenal fatigue, 6Antibodies, 5Atomidine iodine. See Detoxified iodineATP, 3, 5ATP CoFactorsas optional supporting nutrient, 2physiology, 5Autoimmune thyroid diseasesmechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause, 4Breast cancer, 6Bromide testingin combination with iodine loading test, 6ordering, 7, 8second testing, 6Bromides. See also Detoxificationand the iodine loading test, 6and weight gain, 4bombarding our systems, 2normal levels of, 6sources of, 3Calcium, weight gain and, 4Cancerbreast cancer, 6how much iodine to take, 2Celtic sea salt. See Salt, unrefinedChelation, mercury amalgam fillings and, 4Children, how much iodine to take, 2Chlorine, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Companion nutrients. See Supporting nutrients requiredDental mercury amalgam fillings, 4Detoxificationforms of iodine not producing, 1length of time expected for, 3symptoms of, salt loading protocol to alleviate, 3Detoxified iodineamount of iodine in, 1for children under 3 years, 2Doctors Data (laboratory), 8Ferritin levels dropping, 4FFP Labs, 8Flame retardants, as source of bromides, 3Fluoride, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Foodas source of bromides, 3taking supplements with, 3Forms of iodine, 1Free T3, and rise in TSH, 6Free T4, and rise in TSH, 6Graves' diseaseantibodies and, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause of, 5Hakala Research (laboratory), 7Halides. See also Bromides; Detoxificationlist of types of, 2Hashimoto's disease, 4cause underlying, 4mechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6How much iodine to takecancer, 2children, 2maintenance, 2with false saturation results, 6Iodinated lipids, 5Iodinedosage. See How much iodine to takeforms of, 1saturation with. See Saturation with iodinetesting. See Iodine Loading Testwhen to take, 3Iodine Loading Testand bromides, effect on results of, 6ordered with Bromide Levels Test, 7ordering, 7, 8second testing, time for, 6Iodine Spot Test, 7, 8Iodoralamount of iodine per tablet, 1how much to take, 2where to buy, 3Iosol, 1Length of time to take iodine, 3Lugol's liquid iodineamount of iodine per drop, 1how much to take, 2Magnascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineMagnesiumas supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2weight gain and, 4Mercuryamalgam fillings in teeth, 4bombarding our systems, 2Nascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineNiacinas optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6no-flush, amount to take, 7physiology and, 5Oxidation/organification of iodineATP CoFactors to treat, 7physiology, 4test to check function of, 7Patch test on skin, 4Phosphorylation, 5Prolamine (Standard Process), 1Resourcescancer and iodine, 2Dr. Brownstein books, 9Dr. Derry article, 9Dr. Guy Abraham articles (Optimox site), 9Iodine Group's iodine research site, 9skin patch test, 4where to buy Iodoral, 3www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6Riboflavinamount to take, 7as optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6physiology and, 5Salt loading protocol, 3Salt, unrefinedadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2function in body, 2, 3in salt loading protocol, 3Saturation with iodineand false readings, 6Detoxified iodine not providing, 1Seleniumand cancer, 2as supporting nutrient, 2Skin patch test, 4Supporting nutrients requiredamounts and functions, 2when to take, 3Symporter defectsand false high reading in saturation levels, 7test for, 7Vitamin C in treatment of, 7T3, free. See Free T4T4, free. See Free T4Thyroglobulin, 5, 6Thyroid hormonesferritin in production of, 4iodine in production of, 5, 6selenium in production of, 2TSH rising and, 6Timefor second round of testing, 6length of, to take iodine, 3of day, to take supplements, 3TPO, 5TSH rise, following iodine supplementation, 6Vitamin B group, and weight gain, 4Vitamin B2. See RiboflavinVitamin B3. See NiacinVitamin Cadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, 2symporter defects healing with, 7Vitamin D, 4Vitamin Research Products, 8Weight gain, 4www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6ZRT Laboratories, 8~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Oh ok, i did. Um, i used to go to a Wellness coach and he said to take selenium don't take pills take brazil nuts and only need to take one a day acutally. He is well known in our community to knowing what he is doing. I may look into getting supps. but i take soooo much stuff already, ugh i hate to add more ya know? Thanks, Bek From: Kathleen Blake <kathleenblake@...>Subject: For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email bodyiodine Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 10:45 PM Bek, this is for you incase you can't find this in the Files. was kind enough to put this in an email form for us. Best, Kathleen For any members who cannot d/l or access the Files on the website:Below is appended the New Member Document. This contains all the info youneed to get started. Please read, and then ask questions thatremain. Thank you :)Iodine information to get you started Commonly Asked Questions.1. Forms of Iodine2. How much Iodine do I need to take?3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?5. How long should I take Iodine?6. Where can I buy Iodoral?7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?8. What are the sources of Bromide?9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so Imust be very deficient.10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYA Proposed Mechanism for the Development of Autoimmune Thyroid DisordersWhat Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessHow to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders14. My TSH went up on Iodine.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.19. Recommended Reading.1. Forms of Iodinea. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified or Atomidine) Based onEdgar Cayce's "energized" iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1%concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electro-magnetically transmuted(while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild acid solution) intothe Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 mcg or .150 mg of Iodine. This form willnot saturate body tissues and has not been proven to detox halides such asbromide, fluoride, chloride, and mercury, as other forms have.b. Iosol 1830 mcg / drop of Iodine onlyc. Prolamine (Standard Process) 3 mgs Iodine onlyd. Lugol's liquid Iodine / Potassium Iodide 2% and 5%solutions. 5% solution is 6.25 mgs / drop.e. Iodoral Lugol's formula in pill form Iodine / PotassiumIodide - 12.5 mgs & 50 mgs2. How much Iodine do I need to take?There are no amounts that can be given as a blanketrecommendation. Everyone needs different amounts based on their body'sability to utilize the nutrients as well as the level of toxic halideexposure they have each day. If you are dealing with a severe healthcondition then your dosages would need to be higher than those trying tomaintain good health.a. Maintenance It was once believed that a good maintenance dose is25 mgs per day. But with more information being gained about the exposuresto halides bombarding our systems (bromides, fluorides, chlorine) as wellas mercury, etc., maintenance of health may require higher doses ofiodine. The iodine doctors are now beginning to believe that 50 mgs may bethe minimum required dose.b. Cancer Cancer is a result of mutated cells. Iodine is absolutelycritical for something called P53 gene which is known as the "keeper of thegenetic code". Without iodine and selenium it will not function toeliminate abnormal cells from the body such as cancer. Cancer patientshave taken anywhere from 50 300 mgs / day successfully. Here is a goodarticle on how P53 works with the mdm2 in cancer<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm For information on the P53 and Iodine see the Minerals for the Genetic Codebook.c. Children These are the levels that I gave my children at thevarious ages. This is not meant to be a recommendation but a guideline forwhat was safe for my (Dr. Buist) children and others I have been in contactwith.i. Up to 3 years 3 drops of Detoxified Iodine(<http://www.iodinesource.com>www.iodinesource.com) per day or take 1 dropof 5% Lugol's solution in water and then take ½ of the water and give itto the child. This results in 3.125 mgs / dose.ii. 3yrs to 5 yrs 6.25 mgs of Iodoral or 1 drop 5% LugolsSolution(6.25 mgs)iii. 5 yrs to 9 yrs 12.5 mgs of Iodoral or 2 drops 5% LugolsSolution (12.5 mgs)iv. 9 yrs to 16 yrs 25 mgs of Iodoral or 4 drops 5% LugolsSolution (25 mgs)v. 16 yrs and up will depend on health issues, weight, etcand cannot be given in generalities. Dosages range from 12.5 mgs to 300 mgs.3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.These are required to support the body while supplementing with iodine:a. Vit C 2,000 5,000 mgs / day supports the symporters andassists as an antioxidant to detoxing.b. Selenium 200 400 mcg / day needed for detoxification andthyroid hormone creation.c. Unrefined salt (Celtic) ½ tsp / day supports adrenals, bindsto bromide and assists in removal, supports symporters (sodium iodinesymporters or NIS)d. Magnesium 400 mgs / day critical for over 300 enzyme reactionsin the body.e. Optional ATP CoFactors -1 tablet 2x / day when individualscontinue to feel fatigued or have autoimmune thyroid disease this productcan assist in increasing ATP (energy) within the cells. Riboflavin andno-flush niacin.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?a. Iodine should be taken with food. This seems to enhanceabsorption as well as protecting sensitive stomachs from a potential upset.b. The supporting nutrients can be taken with iodine and withfood. There is no spacing or timing required.c. Iodine should be taken earlier in the day (before 2 pm) becausefor some it increases energy so much that they are unable to sleep.5. How long should I take Iodine?Dr. Abraham has states that it should take 6 months of 50 mgs to reach 90%saturation. However, as testing has become more widely available, it seemsto be taking individuals years to detox halides and allow the iodine toenter the cells. Consequently, there is no set time that a person canexpect to supplement and reach saturation levels.6. Where can I buy Iodoral?These are a few sources that have been found to be a good option.a. www.breastcancerchoices.org - ships internationally / freeshipping with larger ordersb. www.illnessisoptional.com - ships internationallyc. www.vrp.com - ships internationallyd. www.amazon.come. You can check Froogle (google shopping tool) to find the currentcosts of various suppliers http://tinyurl.com/49zvmrl7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?Perform the salt loading protocol when you are experiencing detoxificationsymptoms with iodine supplementation. **Note that you should not need todo this for more than 3 days. If you do then you need to reduce yourdosing of iodine.1/2 tsp celtic (or other unrefined) salt in 1/2 cup of warm waterFollow the above with a glass of 12 oz filtered water.** Repeat every 30-45 minutes as needed until urination begins.Why does this help?Salt - containing chloride - binds to the bromide in the blood stream andcarries it out through the kidneys.8. What are the sources of Bromide?Over and over people come to the Iodine group claiming that they can'tpossibly be toxic in bromide because they are gluten free, eat a cleandiet, etc. Guess what? It isn't diet related in most cases. Bromide is aflame retardant that is used in and on many items around you. Theseinclude carpeting, furniture, mattresses, clothing, computers, iPhones, andautomobiles just to name a few. Food sources can include items likebaked goods that contain brominated flour or vegetable oil as well as softdrinks like Mountain Dew and other citrus based sodas. It can also befound in some Gatorade products. For many years it was used in the form ofMethyl Bromide as a pesticide on strawberries.9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly soI must be very deficient.Not necessarily. The patch test isn't very scientific and many factors gointo why it disappears. Read the following article by Dr. Abraham for moreinformation<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.This has been happening to people taking 50 mgs or more of Iodoral. It hasbeen rectified by adding a B6 Complex along with an iron supplement tohelp restore ferritin to normal levels. It is thought to occur due to anincrease in metabolic rate that requires more iron. Sufficient ferritinlevels (60-70) are needed to create and utilize thyroid hormones.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.Unfortunately this can occur in those that are very toxic in halides likebromide. If your detoxification pathways are not able to eliminate thetoxins being released by iodine then your body will buffer them with waterand fat. It may be due, in part, to lowered calcium levels as well asmagnesium, vit D, and B Vitamins. All work to maintain balance in thecells and eliminate toxins.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?While iodine does seem to pull out mercury from the cells / tissues of thebody, there has been no indication that it is dangerous to take iodinewhile amalgams remain in the body. If there is concern, supplements likecilantro, chlorella and others can be used to help bind and carry themercury out of the body. Consulting with a good holistic / biologicaldentist as well as an alternative medicine doctor can help to assess yourtoxicity level and assist you in safe removal of amalgams and chelation.13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Dr. Brownstein believes that low iodine is one the key causes inautoimmune thyroid disease. The following is an excerpt from Dr.Brownstein's Iodine book.THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY ANDANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYChapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of theiodinated form of lactone ( - Iodolactone).- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its productionis also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification of iodine.As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occursthrough the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product inorder to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organificationcan occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroidhormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3,this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinatedlipids-iodolactone.Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand,-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. Ifthere is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequateamounts of -iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroidcell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such asHashimoto's or Graves' disease.A Proposed Mechanism for the Development ofAutoimmune Thyroid DisordersThe NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. Themitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondriaproduce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidativephosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiarwith oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many stepsresponsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many itemsincluding: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatiguesyndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP isthe molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantlyproducing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that isbeyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2(riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidativephosphorylation and ATP production.Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is thisproduction of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidationprocess of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide toform iodine.If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDAfor iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produceiodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of -iodolactoneand other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the 'brake' in the pathwayto oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too muchhydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessThe body's response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO oranti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto's disease requires thepresence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surroundingproteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulinwill result in the body producing antibodies againstthyroglobulinanti-thyroglobulin antibodies.In most cases of Hashimoto's disease, there are antibodies to both TPO andthyroglobulin present. Although Graves' disease may also possess thesesame antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosisof Graves' disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that thetreatment for both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease can follow a similarcourse with similar positive outcomes.How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate toiodinate lipids.2. Take Vitamins B2 (Riboflavin) and B3 (Niacin) in amountsnecessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria withantioxidants.4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels.5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body.14. My TSH went up on Iodine.This is a common occurrence when a person starts to take iodine after beingdeficient. The body increases TSH to stimulate production of thyroglobulinwhich is used to bind to the iodine in thyroid hormoneproduction. Individuals can have TSH levels as high as 75 for up to 6months without clinical signs of hypothyroidism. The best values to checkwith labs if there is a concern are the Free T3 and Free T4. You will findin most cases that the "frees" are nicely within the ranges.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Iodine is used by every gland and mucosal lining and is needed to healthe adrenals. You should also use unrefined salt to support them as wellas Vitamin C. Other products such as ashwaganda, licorice root, adrenalglandulars and in severe conditions a doctor can prescribe hydrocortisoneto replace the body's deficiency.16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.The best resource for breast cancer is<http://www.breastcancerchoices.org>www.breastcancerchoices.org which is anon-profit organization run by Lynne Farrow who is a breast cancersurvivor. They are dedicated to the grass roots research into iodine'seffectiveness as treatment.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.As the years have gone by members of the group have been testing relativelyhigh in their saturation levels with the Iodine loading tests. This isusually met with jubilation that they are at a good level. But wait! Thisisn't a place to stop. A bromide level test has become available and canbe added to the loading test. This is highly recommended because it givesa clearer picture of what the TRUE status of the saturation level is. As ageneral rule if you see a higher saturation level (80% or above) with abromide level over 10 mgs/L (the upper limit of normal per Dr. Guy Abraham)you are bromide toxic and the receptors that would normally be able to pulliodine into the cells cannot because bromide is blocking thereceptors. This will result in a high level of iodine being eliminated inthe urine indicating (falsely) that you are more saturated than youare. Persons with results such as these should consider supplementing withLugol's or Iodoral in doses of 50 mgs or more for 6 mos to 1 year and thenretest Iodine Loading and Bromide levels to see what the new statusis. Dr. Abraham has stated that this amount of time is needed to makesignificant progress in detoxing and to build saturation in thecells. After supplementing for 6 mos to 1 year, the trend has been to seesaturation levels go down while bromide elimination levels increase.Another reason for a false high reading in saturation levels is due todefects in the symporters of the cells. Dr. Abraham addresses this on hiswebsite at<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm which suggests the usage of Vitamin C to heal symporters.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.It is recommended that you order both the 24 hour loading and bromide leveltest. We recommend this because you may obtain a high saturation level andbelieve that your levels are fine when in fact bromide toxicity will blockthe iodine receptors not allowing iodine to enter the cell which results inan elimination of iodine when it is needed / deficient thus skewing thetest results.The following list is a compilation of resources for obtaining the Iodineloading test.Hakala Research885 Parfet Street Unit ELakewood, CO 80215877.238.1779*** It is not recommended that you do the spot test as this is only anindicator of how much iodine is in the diet and offers no real value to thebody saturation. The two asterisk items are the recommended tests.** Iodine Loading Kit Only $70Iodine Spot Level Kit Only $70Iodine Spot and Loading Kit $95** Bromide Level Testing (must be combined with one of the above kits) $35Test prices do not include return shipping.They now also offer iodine serum/saliva testing to check for Organification/ Oxidation issues as well as symporter defects. The test is available twoways:1. 24 hour Iodine loading test plus the serum saliva ratio cost: $155.00.2. Serum saliva ratio without the urine test cost: $110.00.The serum/saliva ratio gives the degree of usage of iodine within the cell,if the ratio is below normal this signifies a symporter defect (NIS) whilea higher than normal ratio points to an organification problem.According to Dr. Abrahams articles the symporter can be repaired using 3 gmof slow release Vitamin C per day, the organification issue responds to ATPCoFactors (Riboflavin 100mg + NoFlush Niacin 500mg) twice daily.=============================================================================FFP LabsDr. Jorg Flechas MD80 Doctors Drive Ste 3ville, NC 28792(1-877-900-5556)The cost of this test is $80.If it is not ordered by a physician you must tell them you are ordering iton your own and they will assign you to a nurse practitioner. When you getthe results of this test you can receive a free consultation with Dr. Flechas.You may also obtain a urine spot test for an additional $30 for a total of$110 for both tests.Spot / Loading / Bromide test can be obtained for $230=============================================================================Vitamin Research Products** As of the last time this test was reviewed no bromide testing is available.<http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137>http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137 $100 for both the spot and loading test.Kit requires an ordering physician.=============================================================================Doctors Data** This lab does not seem to report in the manner that is described in Dr.Abraham's research so it is difficult to determine true saturation andbromide levels.Pre and post loading - requires an ordering physician.<http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118>http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118 ====================================================================================ZRT LaboratoriesThis is a new test that is not performed in the manner outlined by Dr.Abraham, Dr Brownstein or Dr. Flechas which has been used effectively sincethe 1990's. It has not been proven to correlate with the health conditionsof those with iodine deficiency and does not offer a bromide level testwhich is critical in determining how accurate the saturation level is. Atthis point the Iodine group does not recommend this test.19. Recommended Reading.Many of the questions asked over and over are covered in these referencematerials. Please familiarize yourself with them to help with limiting therepetition of information on the group.a. Dr Brownstein Iodine Why You Need It, Why You Can't LiveWithout it <http://www.drbrownstein.com>www.drbrownstein.comb. Dr. Brownstein Salt Your Way To Healthc. Dr. Derry Breast Cancer and Iodine: How to Prevent andHow to Survive Breast Cancer<http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm>http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm d. <http://www.optimox.com>www.optimox.com - Research by Dr. GuyAbraham the founder of The Iodine Projecte. <http://www.iodine4health.com>www.iodine4health.com - The IodineGroup's repository for Iodine research.20. INDEXAdrenal fatigue, 6Antibodies, 5Atomidine iodine. See Detoxified iodineATP, 3, 5ATP CoFactorsas optional supporting nutrient, 2physiology, 5Autoimmune thyroid diseasesmechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause, 4Breast cancer, 6Bromide testingin combination with iodine loading test, 6ordering, 7, 8second testing, 6Bromides. See also Detoxificationand the iodine loading test, 6and weight gain, 4bombarding our systems, 2normal levels of, 6sources of, 3Calcium, weight gain and, 4Cancerbreast cancer, 6how much iodine to take, 2Celtic sea salt. See Salt, unrefinedChelation, mercury amalgam fillings and, 4Children, how much iodine to take, 2Chlorine, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Companion nutrients. See Supporting nutrients requiredDental mercury amalgam fillings, 4Detoxificationforms of iodine not producing, 1length of time expected for, 3symptoms of, salt loading protocol to alleviate, 3Detoxified iodineamount of iodine in, 1for children under 3 years, 2Doctors Data (laboratory), 8Ferritin levels dropping, 4FFP Labs, 8Flame retardants, as source of bromides, 3Fluoride, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Foodas source of bromides, 3taking supplements with, 3Forms of iodine, 1Free T3, and rise in TSH, 6Free T4, and rise in TSH, 6Graves' diseaseantibodies and, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause of, 5Hakala Research (laboratory), 7Halides. See also Bromides; Detoxificationlist of types of, 2Hashimoto's disease, 4cause underlying, 4mechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6How much iodine to takecancer, 2children, 2maintenance, 2with false saturation results, 6Iodinated lipids, 5Iodinedosage. See How much iodine to takeforms of, 1saturation with. See Saturation with iodinetesting. See Iodine Loading Testwhen to take, 3Iodine Loading Testand bromides, effect on results of, 6ordered with Bromide Levels Test, 7ordering, 7, 8second testing, time for, 6Iodine Spot Test, 7, 8Iodoralamount of iodine per tablet, 1how much to take, 2where to buy, 3Iosol, 1Length of time to take iodine, 3Lugol's liquid iodineamount of iodine per drop, 1how much to take, 2Magnascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineMagnesiumas supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2weight gain and, 4Mercuryamalgam fillings in teeth, 4bombarding our systems, 2Nascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineNiacinas optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6no-flush, amount to take, 7physiology and, 5Oxidation/organification of iodineATP CoFactors to treat, 7physiology, 4test to check function of, 7Patch test on skin, 4Phosphorylation, 5Prolamine (Standard Process), 1Resourcescancer and iodine, 2Dr. Brownstein books, 9Dr. Derry article, 9Dr. Guy Abraham articles (Optimox site), 9Iodine Group's iodine research site, 9skin patch test, 4where to buy Iodoral, 3www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6Riboflavinamount to take, 7as optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6physiology and, 5Salt loading protocol, 3Salt, unrefinedadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2function in body, 2, 3in salt loading protocol, 3Saturation with iodineand false readings, 6Detoxified iodine not providing, 1Seleniumand cancer, 2as supporting nutrient, 2Skin patch test, 4Supporting nutrients requiredamounts and functions, 2when to take, 3Symporter defectsand false high reading in saturation levels, 7test for, 7Vitamin C in treatment of, 7T3, free. See Free T4T4, free. See Free T4Thyroglobulin, 5, 6Thyroid hormonesferritin in production of, 4iodine in production of, 5, 6selenium in production of, 2TSH rising and, 6Timefor second round of testing, 6length of, to take iodine, 3of day, to take supplements, 3TPO, 5TSH rise, following iodine supplementation, 6Vitamin B group, and weight gain, 4Vitamin B2. See RiboflavinVitamin B3. See NiacinVitamin Cadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, 2symporter defects healing with, 7Vitamin D, 4Vitamin Research Products, 8Weight gain, 4www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6ZRT Laboratories, 8~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011  I understand. Ultimately we all have to do what we think is best for ourselves. Just giving you feedback on the question you asked. Best, Kathleen For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email bodyiodine Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 10:45 PM Bek, this is for you incase you can't find this in the Files. was kind enough to put this in an email form for us. Best, Kathleen For any members who cannot d/l or access the Files on the website:Below is appended the New Member Document. This contains all the info youneed to get started. Please read, and then ask questions thatremain. Thank you :)Iodine information to get you started Commonly Asked Questions.1. Forms of Iodine2. How much Iodine do I need to take?3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?5. How long should I take Iodine?6. Where can I buy Iodoral?7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?8. What are the sources of Bromide?9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so Imust be very deficient.10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYA Proposed Mechanism for the Development of Autoimmune Thyroid DisordersWhat Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessHow to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders14. My TSH went up on Iodine.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.19. Recommended Reading.1. Forms of Iodinea. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified or Atomidine) Based onEdgar Cayce's "energized" iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1%concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electro-magnetically transmuted(while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild acid solution) intothe Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 mcg or .150 mg of Iodine. This form willnot saturate body tissues and has not been proven to detox halides such asbromide, fluoride, chloride, and mercury, as other forms have.b. Iosol 1830 mcg / drop of Iodine onlyc. Prolamine (Standard Process) 3 mgs Iodine onlyd. Lugol's liquid Iodine / Potassium Iodide 2% and 5%solutions. 5% solution is 6.25 mgs / drop.e. Iodoral Lugol's formula in pill form Iodine / PotassiumIodide - 12.5 mgs & 50 mgs2. How much Iodine do I need to take?There are no amounts that can be given as a blanketrecommendation. Everyone needs different amounts based on their body'sability to utilize the nutrients as well as the level of toxic halideexposure they have each day. If you are dealing with a severe healthcondition then your dosages would need to be higher than those trying tomaintain good health.a. Maintenance It was once believed that a good maintenance dose is25 mgs per day. But with more information being gained about the exposuresto halides bombarding our systems (bromides, fluorides, chlorine) as wellas mercury, etc., maintenance of health may require higher doses ofiodine. The iodine doctors are now beginning to believe that 50 mgs may bethe minimum required dose.b. Cancer Cancer is a result of mutated cells. Iodine is absolutelycritical for something called P53 gene which is known as the "keeper of thegenetic code". Without iodine and selenium it will not function toeliminate abnormal cells from the body such as cancer. Cancer patientshave taken anywhere from 50 300 mgs / day successfully. Here is a goodarticle on how P53 works with the mdm2 in cancer<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm For information on the P53 and Iodine see the Minerals for the Genetic Codebook.c. Children These are the levels that I gave my children at thevarious ages. This is not meant to be a recommendation but a guideline forwhat was safe for my (Dr. Buist) children and others I have been in contactwith.i. Up to 3 years 3 drops of Detoxified Iodine(<http://www.iodinesource.com>www.iodinesource.com) per day or take 1 dropof 5% Lugol's solution in water and then take ½ of the water and give itto the child. This results in 3.125 mgs / dose.ii. 3yrs to 5 yrs 6.25 mgs of Iodoral or 1 drop 5% LugolsSolution(6.25 mgs)iii. 5 yrs to 9 yrs 12.5 mgs of Iodoral or 2 drops 5% LugolsSolution (12.5 mgs)iv. 9 yrs to 16 yrs 25 mgs of Iodoral or 4 drops 5% LugolsSolution (25 mgs)v. 16 yrs and up will depend on health issues, weight, etcand cannot be given in generalities. Dosages range from 12.5 mgs to 300 mgs.3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.These are required to support the body while supplementing with iodine:a. Vit C 2,000 5,000 mgs / day supports the symporters andassists as an antioxidant to detoxing.b. Selenium 200 400 mcg / day needed for detoxification andthyroid hormone creation.c. Unrefined salt (Celtic) ½ tsp / day supports adrenals, bindsto bromide and assists in removal, supports symporters (sodium iodinesymporters or NIS)d. Magnesium 400 mgs / day critical for over 300 enzyme reactionsin the body.e. Optional ATP CoFactors -1 tablet 2x / day when individualscontinue to feel fatigued or have autoimmune thyroid disease this productcan assist in increasing ATP (energy) within the cells. Riboflavin andno-flush niacin.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?a. Iodine should be taken with food. This seems to enhanceabsorption as well as protecting sensitive stomachs from a potential upset.b. The supporting nutrients can be taken with iodine and withfood. There is no spacing or timing required.c. Iodine should be taken earlier in the day (before 2 pm) becausefor some it increases energy so much that they are unable to sleep.5. How long should I take Iodine?Dr. Abraham has states that it should take 6 months of 50 mgs to reach 90%saturation. However, as testing has become more widely available, it seemsto be taking individuals years to detox halides and allow the iodine toenter the cells. Consequently, there is no set time that a person canexpect to supplement and reach saturation levels.6. Where can I buy Iodoral?These are a few sources that have been found to be a good option.a. www.breastcancerchoices.org - ships internationally / freeshipping with larger ordersb. www.illnessisoptional.com - ships internationallyc. www.vrp.com - ships internationallyd. www.amazon.come. You can check Froogle (google shopping tool) to find the currentcosts of various suppliers http://tinyurl.com/49zvmrl7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?Perform the salt loading protocol when you are experiencing detoxificationsymptoms with iodine supplementation. **Note that you should not need todo this for more than 3 days. If you do then you need to reduce yourdosing of iodine.1/2 tsp celtic (or other unrefined) salt in 1/2 cup of warm waterFollow the above with a glass of 12 oz filtered water.** Repeat every 30-45 minutes as needed until urination begins.Why does this help?Salt - containing chloride - binds to the bromide in the blood stream andcarries it out through the kidneys.8. What are the sources of Bromide?Over and over people come to the Iodine group claiming that they can'tpossibly be toxic in bromide because they are gluten free, eat a cleandiet, etc. Guess what? It isn't diet related in most cases. Bromide is aflame retardant that is used in and on many items around you. Theseinclude carpeting, furniture, mattresses, clothing, computers, iPhones, andautomobiles just to name a few. Food sources can include items likebaked goods that contain brominated flour or vegetable oil as well as softdrinks like Mountain Dew and other citrus based sodas. It can also befound in some Gatorade products. For many years it was used in the form ofMethyl Bromide as a pesticide on strawberries.9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly soI must be very deficient.Not necessarily. The patch test isn't very scientific and many factors gointo why it disappears. Read the following article by Dr. Abraham for moreinformation<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.This has been happening to people taking 50 mgs or more of Iodoral. It hasbeen rectified by adding a B6 Complex along with an iron supplement tohelp restore ferritin to normal levels. It is thought to occur due to anincrease in metabolic rate that requires more iron. Sufficient ferritinlevels (60-70) are needed to create and utilize thyroid hormones.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.Unfortunately this can occur in those that are very toxic in halides likebromide. If your detoxification pathways are not able to eliminate thetoxins being released by iodine then your body will buffer them with waterand fat. It may be due, in part, to lowered calcium levels as well asmagnesium, vit D, and B Vitamins. All work to maintain balance in thecells and eliminate toxins.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?While iodine does seem to pull out mercury from the cells / tissues of thebody, there has been no indication that it is dangerous to take iodinewhile amalgams remain in the body. If there is concern, supplements likecilantro, chlorella and others can be used to help bind and carry themercury out of the body. Consulting with a good holistic / biologicaldentist as well as an alternative medicine doctor can help to assess yourtoxicity level and assist you in safe removal of amalgams and chelation.13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Dr. Brownstein believes that low iodine is one the key causes inautoimmune thyroid disease. The following is an excerpt from Dr.Brownstein's Iodine book.THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY ANDANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYChapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of theiodinated form of lactone ( - Iodolactone).- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its productionis also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification of iodine.As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occursthrough the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product inorder to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organificationcan occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroidhormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3,this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinatedlipids-iodolactone.Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand,-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. Ifthere is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequateamounts of -iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroidcell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such asHashimoto's or Graves' disease.A Proposed Mechanism for the Development ofAutoimmune Thyroid DisordersThe NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. Themitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondriaproduce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidativephosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiarwith oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many stepsresponsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many itemsincluding: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatiguesyndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP isthe molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantlyproducing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that isbeyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2(riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidativephosphorylation and ATP production.Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is thisproduction of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidationprocess of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide toform iodine.If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDAfor iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produceiodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of -iodolactoneand other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the 'brake' in the pathwayto oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too muchhydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessThe body's response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO oranti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto's disease requires thepresence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surroundingproteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulinwill result in the body producing antibodies againstthyroglobulinanti-thyroglobulin antibodies.In most cases of Hashimoto's disease, there are antibodies to both TPO andthyroglobulin present. Although Graves' disease may also possess thesesame antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosisof Graves' disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that thetreatment for both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease can follow a similarcourse with similar positive outcomes.How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate toiodinate lipids.2. Take Vitamins B2 (Riboflavin) and B3 (Niacin) in amountsnecessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria withantioxidants.4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels.5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body.14. My TSH went up on Iodine.This is a common occurrence when a person starts to take iodine after beingdeficient. The body increases TSH to stimulate production of thyroglobulinwhich is used to bind to the iodine in thyroid hormoneproduction. Individuals can have TSH levels as high as 75 for up to 6months without clinical signs of hypothyroidism. The best values to checkwith labs if there is a concern are the Free T3 and Free T4. You will findin most cases that the "frees" are nicely within the ranges.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Iodine is used by every gland and mucosal lining and is needed to healthe adrenals. You should also use unrefined salt to support them as wellas Vitamin C. Other products such as ashwaganda, licorice root, adrenalglandulars and in severe conditions a doctor can prescribe hydrocortisoneto replace the body's deficiency.16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.The best resource for breast cancer is<http://www.breastcancerchoices.org>www.breastcancerchoices.org which is anon-profit organization run by Lynne Farrow who is a breast cancersurvivor. They are dedicated to the grass roots research into iodine'seffectiveness as treatment.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.As the years have gone by members of the group have been testing relativelyhigh in their saturation levels with the Iodine loading tests. This isusually met with jubilation that they are at a good level. But wait! Thisisn't a place to stop. A bromide level test has become available and canbe added to the loading test. This is highly recommended because it givesa clearer picture of what the TRUE status of the saturation level is. As ageneral rule if you see a higher saturation level (80% or above) with abromide level over 10 mgs/L (the upper limit of normal per Dr. Guy Abraham)you are bromide toxic and the receptors that would normally be able to pulliodine into the cells cannot because bromide is blocking thereceptors. This will result in a high level of iodine being eliminated inthe urine indicating (falsely) that you are more saturated than youare. Persons with results such as these should consider supplementing withLugol's or Iodoral in doses of 50 mgs or more for 6 mos to 1 year and thenretest Iodine Loading and Bromide levels to see what the new statusis. Dr. Abraham has stated that this amount of time is needed to makesignificant progress in detoxing and to build saturation in thecells. After supplementing for 6 mos to 1 year, the trend has been to seesaturation levels go down while bromide elimination levels increase.Another reason for a false high reading in saturation levels is due todefects in the symporters of the cells. Dr. Abraham addresses this on hiswebsite at<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm which suggests the usage of Vitamin C to heal symporters.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.It is recommended that you order both the 24 hour loading and bromide leveltest. We recommend this because you may obtain a high saturation level andbelieve that your levels are fine when in fact bromide toxicity will blockthe iodine receptors not allowing iodine to enter the cell which results inan elimination of iodine when it is needed / deficient thus skewing thetest results.The following list is a compilation of resources for obtaining the Iodineloading test.Hakala Research885 Parfet Street Unit ELakewood, CO 80215877.238.1779*** It is not recommended that you do the spot test as this is only anindicator of how much iodine is in the diet and offers no real value to thebody saturation. The two asterisk items are the recommended tests.** Iodine Loading Kit Only $70Iodine Spot Level Kit Only $70Iodine Spot and Loading Kit $95** Bromide Level Testing (must be combined with one of the above kits) $35Test prices do not include return shipping.They now also offer iodine serum/saliva testing to check for Organification/ Oxidation issues as well as symporter defects. The test is available twoways:1. 24 hour Iodine loading test plus the serum saliva ratio cost: $155.00.2. Serum saliva ratio without the urine test cost: $110.00.The serum/saliva ratio gives the degree of usage of iodine within the cell,if the ratio is below normal this signifies a symporter defect (NIS) whilea higher than normal ratio points to an organification problem.According to Dr. Abrahams articles the symporter can be repaired using 3 gmof slow release Vitamin C per day, the organification issue responds to ATPCoFactors (Riboflavin 100mg + NoFlush Niacin 500mg) twice daily.=============================================================================FFP LabsDr. Jorg Flechas MD80 Doctors Drive Ste 3ville, NC 28792(1-877-900-5556)The cost of this test is $80.If it is not ordered by a physician you must tell them you are ordering iton your own and they will assign you to a nurse practitioner. When you getthe results of this test you can receive a free consultation with Dr. Flechas.You may also obtain a urine spot test for an additional $30 for a total of$110 for both tests.Spot / Loading / Bromide test can be obtained for $230=============================================================================Vitamin Research Products** As of the last time this test was reviewed no bromide testing is available.<http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137>http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137 $100 for both the spot and loading test.Kit requires an ordering physician.=============================================================================Doctors Data** This lab does not seem to report in the manner that is described in Dr.Abraham's research so it is difficult to determine true saturation andbromide levels.Pre and post loading - requires an ordering physician.<http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118>http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118 ====================================================================================ZRT LaboratoriesThis is a new test that is not performed in the manner outlined by Dr.Abraham, Dr Brownstein or Dr. Flechas which has been used effectively sincethe 1990's. It has not been proven to correlate with the health conditionsof those with iodine deficiency and does not offer a bromide level testwhich is critical in determining how accurate the saturation level is. Atthis point the Iodine group does not recommend this test.19. Recommended Reading.Many of the questions asked over and over are covered in these referencematerials. Please familiarize yourself with them to help with limiting therepetition of information on the group.a. Dr Brownstein Iodine Why You Need It, Why You Can't LiveWithout it <http://www.drbrownstein.com>www.drbrownstein.comb. Dr. Brownstein Salt Your Way To Healthc. Dr. Derry Breast Cancer and Iodine: How to Prevent andHow to Survive Breast Cancer<http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm>http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm d. <http://www.optimox.com>www.optimox.com - Research by Dr. GuyAbraham the founder of The Iodine Projecte. <http://www.iodine4health.com>www.iodine4health.com - The IodineGroup's repository for Iodine research.20. INDEXAdrenal fatigue, 6Antibodies, 5Atomidine iodine. See Detoxified iodineATP, 3, 5ATP CoFactorsas optional supporting nutrient, 2physiology, 5Autoimmune thyroid diseasesmechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause, 4Breast cancer, 6Bromide testingin combination with iodine loading test, 6ordering, 7, 8second testing, 6Bromides. See also Detoxificationand the iodine loading test, 6and weight gain, 4bombarding our systems, 2normal levels of, 6sources of, 3Calcium, weight gain and, 4Cancerbreast cancer, 6how much iodine to take, 2Celtic sea salt. See Salt, unrefinedChelation, mercury amalgam fillings and, 4Children, how much iodine to take, 2Chlorine, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Companion nutrients. See Supporting nutrients requiredDental mercury amalgam fillings, 4Detoxificationforms of iodine not producing, 1length of time expected for, 3symptoms of, salt loading protocol to alleviate, 3Detoxified iodineamount of iodine in, 1for children under 3 years, 2Doctors Data (laboratory), 8Ferritin levels dropping, 4FFP Labs, 8Flame retardants, as source of bromides, 3Fluoride, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Foodas source of bromides, 3taking supplements with, 3Forms of iodine, 1Free T3, and rise in TSH, 6Free T4, and rise in TSH, 6Graves' diseaseantibodies and, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause of, 5Hakala Research (laboratory), 7Halides. See also Bromides; Detoxificationlist of types of, 2Hashimoto's disease, 4cause underlying, 4mechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6How much iodine to takecancer, 2children, 2maintenance, 2with false saturation results, 6Iodinated lipids, 5Iodinedosage. See How much iodine to takeforms of, 1saturation with. See Saturation with iodinetesting. See Iodine Loading Testwhen to take, 3Iodine Loading Testand bromides, effect on results of, 6ordered with Bromide Levels Test, 7ordering, 7, 8second testing, time for, 6Iodine Spot Test, 7, 8Iodoralamount of iodine per tablet, 1how much to take, 2where to buy, 3Iosol, 1Length of time to take iodine, 3Lugol's liquid iodineamount of iodine per drop, 1how much to take, 2Magnascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineMagnesiumas supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2weight gain and, 4Mercuryamalgam fillings in teeth, 4bombarding our systems, 2Nascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineNiacinas optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6no-flush, amount to take, 7physiology and, 5Oxidation/organification of iodineATP CoFactors to treat, 7physiology, 4test to check function of, 7Patch test on skin, 4Phosphorylation, 5Prolamine (Standard Process), 1Resourcescancer and iodine, 2Dr. Brownstein books, 9Dr. Derry article, 9Dr. Guy Abraham articles (Optimox site), 9Iodine Group's iodine research site, 9skin patch test, 4where to buy Iodoral, 3www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6Riboflavinamount to take, 7as optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6physiology and, 5Salt loading protocol, 3Salt, unrefinedadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2function in body, 2, 3in salt loading protocol, 3Saturation with iodineand false readings, 6Detoxified iodine not providing, 1Seleniumand cancer, 2as supporting nutrient, 2Skin patch test, 4Supporting nutrients requiredamounts and functions, 2when to take, 3Symporter defectsand false high reading in saturation levels, 7test for, 7Vitamin C in treatment of, 7T3, free. See Free T4T4, free. See Free T4Thyroglobulin, 5, 6Thyroid hormonesferritin in production of, 4iodine in production of, 5, 6selenium in production of, 2TSH rising and, 6Timefor second round of testing, 6length of, to take iodine, 3of day, to take supplements, 3TPO, 5TSH rise, following iodine supplementation, 6Vitamin B group, and weight gain, 4Vitamin B2. See RiboflavinVitamin B3. See NiacinVitamin Cadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, 2symporter defects healing with, 7Vitamin D, 4Vitamin Research Products, 8Weight gain, 4www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6ZRT Laboratories, 8~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Hi ,Three points about getting selenium from Brazil nuts.1. You can get them in shell and break open and eat oryou can buy them whole without shell or broken.In shell is like ten times better because of the amount of selenium available.How whole nuts without shell lose this micro nutrient is a mystery to me?Or indeed why broken ones only give 10% of the value.That is what I picked up somewhere I have no test data.Maybe NIH or USDA would have values. Mind you any values imply a generalisation which for multiple reasonsmay be inapplicable. Thats another way of saying it is impossible to evaluateevery single brazil nut.As for eating. If you eat a little at a time I can't see how the liver would have problems?From: Butts <renee-butts@...>iodine Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2011, 22:15Subject: Speaking of Selenium My doc said to stop taking Brazil Nuts that they are too hard on the liver (or kidney)---And to just take yeast based Selenium tablets---I know a lot of you are very knowledgeable---do you have an opinion on that? I would rather take the nuts, but---can do either---Thank you--- From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of HillSent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 1:07 PMiodine Subject: Re: For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email body I read all of this in the files yes.I never saw as i said anywhere where it states how much to start on, how to increase at what dose. I am very concerned that this will make me ill, and feel even worse.But i started on 27 mgs. I did see to max out at 50 mgs. So i will ramp up i guess to 50 mgs.And thanks for all your work and thanks to too. Many thanks.I am taking the C, mag, and am eating several Brazil nuts daily to give me the selenium. I think the nuts are enough selenium. I hope.If you don't think so, will you plz let me know. I will then get some selenium.Thanks again. Bek From: Kathleen Blake <kathleenblake@...>Subject: For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email bodyiodine Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 10:45 PM Bek, this is for you incase you can't find this in the Files. was kind enough to put this in an email form for us. Best, Kathleen For any members who cannot d/l or access the Files on the website:Below is appended the New Member Document. This contains all the info youneed to get started. Please read, and then ask questions thatremain. Thank you :)Iodine information to get you started ÂCommonly Asked Questions.1. Forms of Iodine2. How much Iodine do I need to take?3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?5. How long should I take Iodine?6. Where can I buy Iodoral?7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?8. What are the sources of Bromide?9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so Imust be very deficient.10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYA Proposed Mechanism for the Development of Autoimmune Thyroid DisordersWhat Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessHow to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders14. My TSH went up on Iodine.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.19. Recommended Reading.1. Forms of Iodinea. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified or Atomidine)  Based onEdgar Cayce's "energized" iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1%concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electro-magnetically transmuted(while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild acid solution) intothe Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 mcg or .150 mg of Iodine. This form willnot saturate body tissues and has not been proven to detox halides such asbromide, fluoride, chloride, and mercury, as other forms have.b. Iosol  1830 mcg / drop of Iodine onlyc. Prolamine (Standard Process)  3 mgs Iodine onlyd. Lugol's liquid  Iodine / Potassium Iodide  2% and 5%solutions. 5% solution is 6.25 mgs / drop.e. Iodoral  Lugol's formula in pill form  Iodine / PotassiumIodide - 12.5 mgs & 50 mgs2. How much Iodine do I need to take?There are no amounts that can be given as a blanketrecommendation. Everyone needs different amounts based on their body'sability to utilize the nutrients as well as the level of toxic halideexposure they have each day. If you are dealing with a severe healthcondition then your dosages would need to be higher than those trying tomaintain good health.a. Maintenance  It was once believed that a good maintenance dose is25 mgs per day. But with more information being gained about the exposuresto halides bombarding our systems (bromides, fluorides, chlorine) as wellas mercury, etc., maintenance of health may require higher doses ofiodine. The iodine doctors are now beginning to believe that 50 mgs may bethe minimum required dose.b. Cancer  Cancer is a result of mutated cells. Iodine is absolutelycritical for something called P53 gene which is known as the "keeper of thegenetic code". Without iodine and selenium it will not function toeliminate abnormal cells from the body such as cancer. Cancer patientshave taken anywhere from 50  300 mgs / day successfully. Here is a goodarticle on how P53 works with the mdm2 in cancer<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm For information on the P53 and Iodine see the Minerals for the Genetic Codebook.c. Children  These are the levels that I gave my children at thevarious ages. This is not meant to be a recommendation but a guideline forwhat was safe for my (Dr. Buist) children and others I have been in contactwith.i. Up to 3 years  3 drops of Detoxified Iodine(<http://www.iodinesource.com>www.iodinesource.com) per day or take 1 dropof 5% Lugol's solution in water and then take ½ of the water and give itto the child. This results in 3.125 mgs / dose.ii. 3yrs to 5 yrs  6.25 mgs of Iodoral or 1 drop 5% LugolsSolution(6.25 mgs)iii. 5 yrs to 9 yrs  12.5 mgs of Iodoral or 2 drops 5% LugolsSolution (12.5 mgs)iv. 9 yrs to 16 yrs  25 mgs of Iodoral or 4 drops 5% LugolsSolution (25 mgs)v. 16 yrs and up  will depend on health issues, weight, etcand cannot be given in generalities. Dosages range from 12.5 mgs to 300 mgs.3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.These are required to support the body while supplementing with iodine:a. Vit C  2,000  5,000 mgs / day  supports the symporters andassists as an antioxidant to detoxing.b. Selenium  200  400 mcg / day  needed for detoxification andthyroid hormone creation.c. Unrefined salt (Celtic)  ½ tsp / day  supports adrenals, bindsto bromide and assists in removal, supports symporters (sodium iodinesymporters or NIS)d. Magnesium  400 mgs / day  critical for over 300 enzyme reactionsin the body.e. Optional  ATP CoFactors -1 tablet 2x / day  when individualscontinue to feel fatigued or have autoimmune thyroid disease this productcan assist in increasing ATP (energy) within the cells. Riboflavin andno-flush niacin.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?a. Iodine should be taken with food. This seems to enhanceabsorption as well as protecting sensitive stomachs from a potential upset.b. The supporting nutrients can be taken with iodine and withfood. There is no spacing or timing required.c. Iodine should be taken earlier in the day (before 2 pm) becausefor some it increases energy so much that they are unable to sleep.5. How long should I take Iodine?Dr. Abraham has states that it should take 6 months of 50 mgs to reach 90%saturation. However, as testing has become more widely available, it seemsto be taking individuals years to detox halides and allow the iodine toenter the cells. Consequently, there is no set time that a person canexpect to supplement and reach saturation levels.6. Where can I buy Iodoral?These are a few sources that have been found to be a good option.a. www.breastcancerchoices.org - ships internationally / freeshipping with larger ordersb. www.illnessisoptional.com - ships internationallyc. www.vrp.com - ships internationallyd. www.amazon.come. You can check Froogle (google shopping tool) to find the currentcosts of various suppliers http://tinyurl.com/49zvmrl7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?Perform the salt loading protocol when you are experiencing detoxificationsymptoms with iodine supplementation. **Note that you should not need todo this for more than 3 days. If you do then you need to reduce yourdosing of iodine.1/2 tsp celtic (or other unrefined) salt in 1/2 cup of warm waterFollow the above with a glass of 12 oz filtered water.** Repeat every 30-45 minutes as needed until urination begins.Why does this help?Salt - containing chloride - binds to the bromide in the blood stream andcarries it out through the kidneys.8. What are the sources of Bromide?Over and over people come to the Iodine group claiming that they can'tpossibly be toxic in bromide because they are gluten free, eat a cleandiet, etc. Guess what? It isn't diet related in most cases. Bromide is aflame retardant that is used in and on many items around you. Theseinclude carpeting, furniture, mattresses, clothing, computers, iPhones, andautomobiles  just to name a few. Food sources can include items likebaked goods that contain brominated flour or vegetable oil as well as softdrinks like Mountain Dew and other citrus based sodas. It can also befound in some Gatorade products. For many years it was used in the form ofMethyl Bromide as a pesticide on strawberries.9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly soI must be very deficient.Not necessarily. The patch test isn't very scientific and many factors gointo why it disappears. Read the following article by Dr. Abraham for moreinformation<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.This has been happening to people taking 50 mgs or more of Iodoral. It hasbeen rectified by adding a B6  Complex along with an iron supplement tohelp restore ferritin to normal levels. It is thought to occur due to anincrease in metabolic rate that requires more iron. Sufficient ferritinlevels (60-70) are needed to create and utilize thyroid hormones.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.Unfortunately this can occur in those that are very toxic in halides likebromide. If your detoxification pathways are not able to eliminate thetoxins being released by iodine then your body will buffer them with waterand fat. It may be due, in part, to lowered calcium levels as well asmagnesium, vit D, and B Vitamins. All work to maintain balance in thecells and eliminate toxins.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?While iodine does seem to pull out mercury from the cells / tissues of thebody, there has been no indication that it is dangerous to take iodinewhile amalgams remain in the body. If there is concern, supplements likecilantro, chlorella and others can be used to help bind and carry themercury out of the body. Consulting with a good holistic / biologicaldentist as well as an alternative medicine doctor can help to assess yourtoxicity level and assist you in safe removal of amalgams and chelation.13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Dr. Brownstein believes that low iodine is one the key causes inautoimmune thyroid disease. The following is an excerpt from Dr.Brownstein's Iodine book.THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY ANDANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYChapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of theiodinated form of lactone ( - Iodolactone).- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its productionis also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification of iodine.As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occursthrough the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product inorder to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organificationcan occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroidhormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3,this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinatedlipidsÂ-iodolactone.Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand,-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. Ifthere is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequateamounts of -iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroidcell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such asHashimoto's or Graves' disease.A Proposed Mechanism for the Development ofAutoimmune Thyroid DisordersThe NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. Themitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondriaproduce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidativephosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiarwith oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many stepsresponsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many itemsincluding: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatiguesyndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP isthe molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantlyproducing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that isbeyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2(riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidativephosphorylation and ATP production.Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is thisproduction of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidationprocess of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide toform iodine.If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDAfor iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produceiodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of -iodolactoneand other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the 'brake' in the pathwayto oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too muchhydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessThe body's response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO oranti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto's disease requires thepresence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surroundingproteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulinwill result in the body producing antibodies againstthyroglobulinÂanti-thyroglobulin antibodies.In most cases of Hashimoto's disease, there are antibodies to both TPO andthyroglobulin present. Although Graves' disease may also possess thesesame antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosisof Graves' disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that thetreatment for both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease can follow a similarcourse with similar positive outcomes.How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate toiodinate lipids.2. Take Vitamins B2 (Riboflavin) and B3 (Niacin) in amountsnecessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria withantioxidants.4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels.5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body.14. My TSH went up on Iodine.This is a common occurrence when a person starts to take iodine after beingdeficient. The body increases TSH to stimulate production of thyroglobulinwhich is used to bind to the iodine in thyroid hormoneproduction. Individuals can have TSH levels as high as 75 for up to 6months without clinical signs of hypothyroidism. The best values to checkwith labs if there is a concern are the Free T3 and Free T4. You will findin most cases that the "frees" are nicely within the ranges.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Iodine is used by every gland and mucosal lining and is needed to healthe adrenals. You should also use unrefined salt to support them as wellas Vitamin C. Other products such as ashwaganda, licorice root, adrenalglandulars and in severe conditions a doctor can prescribe hydrocortisoneto replace the body's deficiency.16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.The best resource for breast cancer is<http://www.breastcancerchoices.org>www.breastcancerchoices.org which is anon-profit organization run by Lynne Farrow who is a breast cancersurvivor. They are dedicated to the grass roots research into iodine'seffectiveness as treatment.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.As the years have gone by members of the group have been testing relativelyhigh in their saturation levels with the Iodine loading tests. This isusually met with jubilation that they are at a good level. But wait! Thisisn't a place to stop. A bromide level test has become available and canbe added to the loading test. This is highly recommended because it givesa clearer picture of what the TRUE status of the saturation level is. As ageneral rule if you see a higher saturation level (80% or above) with abromide level over 10 mgs/L (the upper limit of normal per Dr. Guy Abraham)you are bromide toxic and the receptors that would normally be able to pulliodine into the cells cannot because bromide is blocking thereceptors. This will result in a high level of iodine being eliminated inthe urine indicating (falsely) that you are more saturated than youare. Persons with results such as these should consider supplementing withLugol's or Iodoral in doses of 50 mgs or more for 6 mos to 1 year and thenretest Iodine Loading and Bromide levels to see what the new statusis. Dr. Abraham has stated that this amount of time is needed to makesignificant progress in detoxing and to build saturation in thecells. After supplementing for 6 mos to 1 year, the trend has been to seesaturation levels go down while bromide elimination levels increase.Another reason for a false high reading in saturation levels is due todefects in the symporters of the cells. Dr. Abraham addresses this on hiswebsite at<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm which suggests the usage of Vitamin C to heal symporters.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.It is recommended that you order both the 24 hour loading and bromide leveltest. We recommend this because you may obtain a high saturation level andbelieve that your levels are fine when in fact bromide toxicity will blockthe iodine receptors not allowing iodine to enter the cell which results inan elimination of iodine when it is needed / deficient thus skewing thetest results.The following list is a compilation of resources for obtaining the Iodineloading test.Hakala Research885 Parfet Street Unit ELakewood, CO 80215877.238.1779*** It is not recommended that you do the spot test as this is only anindicator of how much iodine is in the diet and offers no real value to thebody saturation. The two asterisk items are the recommended tests.** Iodine Loading Kit Only $70Iodine Spot Level Kit Only $70Iodine Spot and Loading Kit $95** Bromide Level Testing (must be combined with one of the above kits) $35Test prices do not include return shipping.They now also offer iodine serum/saliva testing to check for Organification/ Oxidation issues as well as symporter defects. The test is available twoways:1. 24 hour Iodine loading test plus the serum saliva ratio cost: $155.00.2. Serum saliva ratio without the urine test cost: $110.00.The serum/saliva ratio gives the degree of usage of iodine within the cell,if the ratio is below normal this signifies a symporter defect (NIS) whilea higher than normal ratio points to an organification problem.According to Dr. Abrahams articles the symporter can be repaired using 3 gmof slow release Vitamin C per day, the organification issue responds to ATPCoFactors (Riboflavin 100mg + NoFlush Niacin 500mg) twice daily.=============================================================================FFP LabsDr. Jorg Flechas MD80 Doctors Drive Ste 3ville, NC 28792(1-877-900-5556)The cost of this test is $80.If it is not ordered by a physician you must tell them you are ordering iton your own and they will assign you to a nurse practitioner. When you getthe results of this test you can receive a free consultation with Dr. Flechas.You may also obtain a urine spot test for an additional $30 for a total of$110 for both tests.Spot / Loading / Bromide test can be obtained for $230=============================================================================Vitamin Research Products** As of the last time this test was reviewed no bromide testing is available.<http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137>http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137 $100 for both the spot and loading test.Kit requires an ordering physician.=============================================================================Doctors Data** This lab does not seem to report in the manner that is described in Dr.Abraham's research so it is difficult to determine true saturation andbromide levels.Pre and post loading - requires an ordering physician.<http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118>http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118 ====================================================================================ZRT LaboratoriesThis is a new test that is not performed in the manner outlined by Dr.Abraham, Dr Brownstein or Dr. Flechas which has been used effectively sincethe 1990's. It has not been proven to correlate with the health conditionsof those with iodine deficiency and does not offer a bromide level testwhich is critical in determining how accurate the saturation level is. Atthis point the Iodine group does not recommend this test.19. Recommended Reading.Many of the questions asked over and over are covered in these referencematerials. Please familiarize yourself with them to help with limiting therepetition of information on the group.a. Dr Brownstein  Iodine Why You Need It, Why You Can't LiveWithout it <http://www.drbrownstein.com>www.drbrownstein.comb. Dr. Brownstein  Salt Your Way To Healthc. Dr. Derry  Breast Cancer and Iodine: How to Prevent andHow to Survive Breast Cancer<http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm>http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm d. <http://www.optimox.com>www.optimox.com - Research by Dr. GuyAbraham  the founder of The Iodine Projecte. <http://www.iodine4health.com>www.iodine4health.com - The IodineGroup's repository for Iodine research.20. INDEXAdrenal fatigue, 6Antibodies, 5Atomidine iodine. See Detoxified iodineATP, 3, 5ATP CoFactorsas optional supporting nutrient, 2physiology, 5Autoimmune thyroid diseasesmechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause, 4Breast cancer, 6Bromide testingin combination with iodine loading test, 6ordering, 7, 8second testing, 6Bromides. See also Detoxificationand the iodine loading test, 6and weight gain, 4bombarding our systems, 2normal levels of, 6sources of, 3Calcium, weight gain and, 4Cancerbreast cancer, 6how much iodine to take, 2Celtic sea salt. See Salt, unrefinedChelation, mercury amalgam fillings and, 4Children, how much iodine to take, 2Chlorine, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Companion nutrients. See Supporting nutrients requiredDental mercury amalgam fillings, 4Detoxificationforms of iodine not producing, 1length of time expected for, 3symptoms of, salt loading protocol to alleviate, 3Detoxified iodineamount of iodine in, 1for children under 3 years, 2Doctors Data (laboratory), 8Ferritin levels dropping, 4FFP Labs, 8Flame retardants, as source of bromides, 3Fluoride, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Foodas source of bromides, 3taking supplements with, 3Forms of iodine, 1Free T3, and rise in TSH, 6Free T4, and rise in TSH, 6Graves' diseaseantibodies and, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause of, 5Hakala Research (laboratory), 7Halides. See also Bromides; Detoxificationlist of types of, 2Hashimoto's disease, 4cause underlying, 4mechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6How much iodine to takecancer, 2children, 2maintenance, 2with false saturation results, 6Iodinated lipids, 5Iodinedosage. See How much iodine to takeforms of, 1saturation with. See Saturation with iodinetesting. See Iodine Loading Testwhen to take, 3Iodine Loading Testand bromides, effect on results of, 6ordered with Bromide Levels Test, 7ordering, 7, 8second testing, time for, 6Iodine Spot Test, 7, 8Iodoralamount of iodine per tablet, 1how much to take, 2where to buy, 3Iosol, 1Length of time to take iodine, 3Lugol's liquid iodineamount of iodine per drop, 1how much to take, 2Magnascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineMagnesiumas supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2weight gain and, 4Mercuryamalgam fillings in teeth, 4bombarding our systems, 2Nascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineNiacinas optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6no-flush, amount to take, 7physiology and, 5Oxidation/organification of iodineATP CoFactors to treat, 7physiology, 4test to check function of, 7Patch test on skin, 4Phosphorylation, 5Prolamine (Standard Process), 1Resourcescancer and iodine, 2Dr. Brownstein books, 9Dr. Derry article, 9Dr. Guy Abraham articles (Optimox site), 9Iodine Group's iodine research site, 9skin patch test, 4where to buy Iodoral, 3www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6Riboflavinamount to take, 7as optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6physiology and, 5Salt loading protocol, 3Salt, unrefinedadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2function in body, 2, 3in salt loading protocol, 3Saturation with iodineand false readings, 6Detoxified iodine not providing, 1Seleniumand cancer, 2as supporting nutrient, 2Skin patch test, 4Supporting nutrients requiredamounts and functions, 2when to take, 3Symporter defectsand false high reading in saturation levels, 7test for, 7Vitamin C in treatment of, 7T3, free. See Free T4T4, free. See Free T4Thyroglobulin, 5, 6Thyroid hormonesferritin in production of, 4iodine in production of, 5, 6selenium in production of, 2TSH rising and, 6Timefor second round of testing, 6length of, to take iodine, 3of day, to take supplements, 3TPO, 5TSH rise, following iodine supplementation, 6Vitamin B group, and weight gain, 4Vitamin B2. See RiboflavinVitamin B3. See NiacinVitamin Cadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, 2symporter defects healing with, 7Vitamin D, 4Vitamin Research Products, 8Weight gain, 4www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6ZRT Laboratories, 8~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011  Hi , Where do you buy them in the shell? I have not seen them in or out of the shell here, except unshelled in a mix. Jeannie For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email bodyiodine Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 10:45 PM Bek, this is for you incase you can't find this in the Files. was kind enough to put this in an email form for us. Best, Kathleen For any members who cannot d/l or access the Files on the website:Below is appended the New Member Document. This contains all the info youneed to get started. Please read, and then ask questions thatremain. Thank you :)Iodine information to get you started Commonly Asked Questions.1. Forms of Iodine2. How much Iodine do I need to take?3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?5. How long should I take Iodine?6. Where can I buy Iodoral?7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?8. What are the sources of Bromide?9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so Imust be very deficient.10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYA Proposed Mechanism for the Development of Autoimmune Thyroid DisordersWhat Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessHow to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders14. My TSH went up on Iodine.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.19. Recommended Reading.1. Forms of Iodinea. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified or Atomidine) Based onEdgar Cayce's "energized" iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1%concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electro-magnetically transmuted(while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild acid solution) intothe Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 mcg or .150 mg of Iodine. This form willnot saturate body tissues and has not been proven to detox halides such asbromide, fluoride, chloride, and mercury, as other forms have.b. Iosol 1830 mcg / drop of Iodine onlyc. Prolamine (Standard Process) 3 mgs Iodine onlyd. Lugol's liquid Iodine / Potassium Iodide 2% and 5%solutions. 5% solution is 6.25 mgs / drop.e. Iodoral Lugol's formula in pill form Iodine / PotassiumIodide - 12.5 mgs & 50 mgs2. How much Iodine do I need to take?There are no amounts that can be given as a blanketrecommendation. Everyone needs different amounts based on their body'sability to utilize the nutrients as well as the level of toxic halideexposure they have each day. If you are dealing with a severe healthcondition then your dosages would need to be higher than those trying tomaintain good health.a. Maintenance It was once believed that a good maintenance dose is25 mgs per day. But with more information being gained about the exposuresto halides bombarding our systems (bromides, fluorides, chlorine) as wellas mercury, etc., maintenance of health may require higher doses ofiodine. The iodine doctors are now beginning to believe that 50 mgs may bethe minimum required dose.b. Cancer Cancer is a result of mutated cells. Iodine is absolutelycritical for something called P53 gene which is known as the "keeper of thegenetic code". Without iodine and selenium it will not function toeliminate abnormal cells from the body such as cancer. Cancer patientshave taken anywhere from 50 300 mgs / day successfully. Here is a goodarticle on how P53 works with the mdm2 in cancer<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm For information on the P53 and Iodine see the Minerals for the Genetic Codebook.c. Children These are the levels that I gave my children at thevarious ages. This is not meant to be a recommendation but a guideline forwhat was safe for my (Dr. Buist) children and others I have been in contactwith.i. Up to 3 years 3 drops of Detoxified Iodine(<http://www.iodinesource.com>www.iodinesource.com) per day or take 1 dropof 5% Lugol's solution in water and then take ½ of the water and give itto the child. This results in 3.125 mgs / dose.ii. 3yrs to 5 yrs 6.25 mgs of Iodoral or 1 drop 5% LugolsSolution(6.25 mgs)iii. 5 yrs to 9 yrs 12.5 mgs of Iodoral or 2 drops 5% LugolsSolution (12.5 mgs)iv. 9 yrs to 16 yrs 25 mgs of Iodoral or 4 drops 5% LugolsSolution (25 mgs)v. 16 yrs and up will depend on health issues, weight, etcand cannot be given in generalities. Dosages range from 12.5 mgs to 300 mgs.3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.These are required to support the body while supplementing with iodine:a. Vit C 2,000 5,000 mgs / day supports the symporters andassists as an antioxidant to detoxing.b. Selenium 200 400 mcg / day needed for detoxification andthyroid hormone creation.c. Unrefined salt (Celtic) ½ tsp / day supports adrenals, bindsto bromide and assists in removal, supports symporters (sodium iodinesymporters or NIS)d. Magnesium 400 mgs / day critical for over 300 enzyme reactionsin the body.e. Optional ATP CoFactors -1 tablet 2x / day when individualscontinue to feel fatigued or have autoimmune thyroid disease this productcan assist in increasing ATP (energy) within the cells. Riboflavin andno-flush niacin.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?a. Iodine should be taken with food. This seems to enhanceabsorption as well as protecting sensitive stomachs from a potential upset.b. The supporting nutrients can be taken with iodine and withfood. There is no spacing or timing required.c. Iodine should be taken earlier in the day (before 2 pm) becausefor some it increases energy so much that they are unable to sleep.5. How long should I take Iodine?Dr. Abraham has states that it should take 6 months of 50 mgs to reach 90%saturation. However, as testing has become more widely available, it seemsto be taking individuals years to detox halides and allow the iodine toenter the cells. Consequently, there is no set time that a person canexpect to supplement and reach saturation levels.6. Where can I buy Iodoral?These are a few sources that have been found to be a good option.a. www.breastcancerchoices.org - ships internationally / freeshipping with larger ordersb. www.illnessisoptional.com - ships internationallyc. www.vrp.com - ships internationallyd. www.amazon.come. You can check Froogle (google shopping tool) to find the currentcosts of various suppliers http://tinyurl.com/49zvmrl7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?Perform the salt loading protocol when you are experiencing detoxificationsymptoms with iodine supplementation. **Note that you should not need todo this for more than 3 days. If you do then you need to reduce yourdosing of iodine.1/2 tsp celtic (or other unrefined) salt in 1/2 cup of warm waterFollow the above with a glass of 12 oz filtered water.** Repeat every 30-45 minutes as needed until urination begins.Why does this help?Salt - containing chloride - binds to the bromide in the blood stream andcarries it out through the kidneys.8. What are the sources of Bromide?Over and over people come to the Iodine group claiming that they can'tpossibly be toxic in bromide because they are gluten free, eat a cleandiet, etc. Guess what? It isn't diet related in most cases. Bromide is aflame retardant that is used in and on many items around you. Theseinclude carpeting, furniture, mattresses, clothing, computers, iPhones, andautomobiles just to name a few. Food sources can include items likebaked goods that contain brominated flour or vegetable oil as well as softdrinks like Mountain Dew and other citrus based sodas. It can also befound in some Gatorade products. For many years it was used in the form ofMethyl Bromide as a pesticide on strawberries.9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly soI must be very deficient.Not necessarily. The patch test isn't very scientific and many factors gointo why it disappears. Read the following article by Dr. Abraham for moreinformation<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.This has been happening to people taking 50 mgs or more of Iodoral. It hasbeen rectified by adding a B6 Complex along with an iron supplement tohelp restore ferritin to normal levels. It is thought to occur due to anincrease in metabolic rate that requires more iron. Sufficient ferritinlevels (60-70) are needed to create and utilize thyroid hormones.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.Unfortunately this can occur in those that are very toxic in halides likebromide. If your detoxification pathways are not able to eliminate thetoxins being released by iodine then your body will buffer them with waterand fat. It may be due, in part, to lowered calcium levels as well asmagnesium, vit D, and B Vitamins. All work to maintain balance in thecells and eliminate toxins.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?While iodine does seem to pull out mercury from the cells / tissues of thebody, there has been no indication that it is dangerous to take iodinewhile amalgams remain in the body. If there is concern, supplements likecilantro, chlorella and others can be used to help bind and carry themercury out of the body. Consulting with a good holistic / biologicaldentist as well as an alternative medicine doctor can help to assess yourtoxicity level and assist you in safe removal of amalgams and chelation.13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Dr. Brownstein believes that low iodine is one the key causes inautoimmune thyroid disease. The following is an excerpt from Dr.Brownstein's Iodine book.THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY ANDANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYChapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of theiodinated form of lactone ( - Iodolactone).- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its productionis also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification of iodine.As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occursthrough the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product inorder to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organificationcan occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroidhormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3,this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinatedlipids-iodolactone.Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand,-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. Ifthere is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequateamounts of -iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroidcell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such asHashimoto's or Graves' disease.A Proposed Mechanism for the Development ofAutoimmune Thyroid DisordersThe NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. Themitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondriaproduce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidativephosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiarwith oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many stepsresponsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many itemsincluding: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatiguesyndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP isthe molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantlyproducing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that isbeyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2(riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidativephosphorylation and ATP production.Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is thisproduction of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidationprocess of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide toform iodine.If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDAfor iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produceiodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of -iodolactoneand other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the 'brake' in the pathwayto oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too muchhydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessThe body's response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO oranti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto's disease requires thepresence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surroundingproteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulinwill result in the body producing antibodies againstthyroglobulinanti-thyroglobulin antibodies.In most cases of Hashimoto's disease, there are antibodies to both TPO andthyroglobulin present. Although Graves' disease may also possess thesesame antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosisof Graves' disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that thetreatment for both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease can follow a similarcourse with similar positive outcomes.How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate toiodinate lipids.2. Take Vitamins B2 (Riboflavin) and B3 (Niacin) in amountsnecessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria withantioxidants.4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels.5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body.14. My TSH went up on Iodine.This is a common occurrence when a person starts to take iodine after beingdeficient. The body increases TSH to stimulate production of thyroglobulinwhich is used to bind to the iodine in thyroid hormoneproduction. Individuals can have TSH levels as high as 75 for up to 6months without clinical signs of hypothyroidism. The best values to checkwith labs if there is a concern are the Free T3 and Free T4. You will findin most cases that the "frees" are nicely within the ranges.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Iodine is used by every gland and mucosal lining and is needed to healthe adrenals. You should also use unrefined salt to support them as wellas Vitamin C. Other products such as ashwaganda, licorice root, adrenalglandulars and in severe conditions a doctor can prescribe hydrocortisoneto replace the body's deficiency.16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.The best resource for breast cancer is<http://www.breastcancerchoices.org>www.breastcancerchoices.org which is anon-profit organization run by Lynne Farrow who is a breast cancersurvivor. They are dedicated to the grass roots research into iodine'seffectiveness as treatment.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.As the years have gone by members of the group have been testing relativelyhigh in their saturation levels with the Iodine loading tests. This isusually met with jubilation that they are at a good level. But wait! Thisisn't a place to stop. A bromide level test has become available and canbe added to the loading test. This is highly recommended because it givesa clearer picture of what the TRUE status of the saturation level is. As ageneral rule if you see a higher saturation level (80% or above) with abromide level over 10 mgs/L (the upper limit of normal per Dr. Guy Abraham)you are bromide toxic and the receptors that would normally be able to pulliodine into the cells cannot because bromide is blocking thereceptors. This will result in a high level of iodine being eliminated inthe urine indicating (falsely) that you are more saturated than youare. Persons with results such as these should consider supplementing withLugol's or Iodoral in doses of 50 mgs or more for 6 mos to 1 year and thenretest Iodine Loading and Bromide levels to see what the new statusis. Dr. Abraham has stated that this amount of time is needed to makesignificant progress in detoxing and to build saturation in thecells. After supplementing for 6 mos to 1 year, the trend has been to seesaturation levels go down while bromide elimination levels increase.Another reason for a false high reading in saturation levels is due todefects in the symporters of the cells. Dr. Abraham addresses this on hiswebsite at<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm which suggests the usage of Vitamin C to heal symporters.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.It is recommended that you order both the 24 hour loading and bromide leveltest. We recommend this because you may obtain a high saturation level andbelieve that your levels are fine when in fact bromide toxicity will blockthe iodine receptors not allowing iodine to enter the cell which results inan elimination of iodine when it is needed / deficient thus skewing thetest results.The following list is a compilation of resources for obtaining the Iodineloading test.Hakala Research885 Parfet Street Unit ELakewood, CO 80215877.238.1779*** It is not recommended that you do the spot test as this is only anindicator of how much iodine is in the diet and offers no real value to thebody saturation. The two asterisk items are the recommended tests.** Iodine Loading Kit Only $70Iodine Spot Level Kit Only $70Iodine Spot and Loading Kit $95** Bromide Level Testing (must be combined with one of the above kits) $35Test prices do not include return shipping.They now also offer iodine serum/saliva testing to check for Organification/ Oxidation issues as well as symporter defects. The test is available twoways:1. 24 hour Iodine loading test plus the serum saliva ratio cost: $155.00.2. Serum saliva ratio without the urine test cost: $110.00.The serum/saliva ratio gives the degree of usage of iodine within the cell,if the ratio is below normal this signifies a symporter defect (NIS) whilea higher than normal ratio points to an organification problem.According to Dr. Abrahams articles the symporter can be repaired using 3 gmof slow release Vitamin C per day, the organification issue responds to ATPCoFactors (Riboflavin 100mg + NoFlush Niacin 500mg) twice daily.=============================================================================FFP LabsDr. Jorg Flechas MD80 Doctors Drive Ste 3ville, NC 28792(1-877-900-5556)The cost of this test is $80.If it is not ordered by a physician you must tell them you are ordering iton your own and they will assign you to a nurse practitioner. When you getthe results of this test you can receive a free consultation with Dr. Flechas.You may also obtain a urine spot test for an additional $30 for a total of$110 for both tests.Spot / Loading / Bromide test can be obtained for $230=============================================================================Vitamin Research Products** As of the last time this test was reviewed no bromide testing is available.<http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137>http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137 $100 for both the spot and loading test.Kit requires an ordering physician.=============================================================================Doctors Data** This lab does not seem to report in the manner that is described in Dr.Abraham's research so it is difficult to determine true saturation andbromide levels.Pre and post loading - requires an ordering physician.<http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118>http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118 ====================================================================================ZRT LaboratoriesThis is a new test that is not performed in the manner outlined by Dr.Abraham, Dr Brownstein or Dr. Flechas which has been used effectively sincethe 1990's. It has not been proven to correlate with the health conditionsof those with iodine deficiency and does not offer a bromide level testwhich is critical in determining how accurate the saturation level is. Atthis point the Iodine group does not recommend this test.19. Recommended Reading.Many of the questions asked over and over are covered in these referencematerials. Please familiarize yourself with them to help with limiting therepetition of information on the group.a. Dr Brownstein Iodine Why You Need It, Why You Can't LiveWithout it <http://www.drbrownstein.com>www.drbrownstein.comb. Dr. Brownstein Salt Your Way To Healthc. Dr. Derry Breast Cancer and Iodine: How to Prevent andHow to Survive Breast Cancer<http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm>http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm d. <http://www.optimox.com>www.optimox.com - Research by Dr. GuyAbraham the founder of The Iodine Projecte. <http://www.iodine4health.com>www.iodine4health.com - The IodineGroup's repository for Iodine research.20. INDEXAdrenal fatigue, 6Antibodies, 5Atomidine iodine. See Detoxified iodineATP, 3, 5ATP CoFactorsas optional supporting nutrient, 2physiology, 5Autoimmune thyroid diseasesmechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause, 4Breast cancer, 6Bromide testingin combination with iodine loading test, 6ordering, 7, 8second testing, 6Bromides. See also Detoxificationand the iodine loading test, 6and weight gain, 4bombarding our systems, 2normal levels of, 6sources of, 3Calcium, weight gain and, 4Cancerbreast cancer, 6how much iodine to take, 2Celtic sea salt. See Salt, unrefinedChelation, mercury amalgam fillings and, 4Children, how much iodine to take, 2Chlorine, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Companion nutrients. See Supporting nutrients requiredDental mercury amalgam fillings, 4Detoxificationforms of iodine not producing, 1length of time expected for, 3symptoms of, salt loading protocol to alleviate, 3Detoxified iodineamount of iodine in, 1for children under 3 years, 2Doctors Data (laboratory), 8Ferritin levels dropping, 4FFP Labs, 8Flame retardants, as source of bromides, 3Fluoride, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Foodas source of bromides, 3taking supplements with, 3Forms of iodine, 1Free T3, and rise in TSH, 6Free T4, and rise in TSH, 6Graves' diseaseantibodies and, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause of, 5Hakala Research (laboratory), 7Halides. See also Bromides; Detoxificationlist of types of, 2Hashimoto's disease, 4cause underlying, 4mechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6How much iodine to takecancer, 2children, 2maintenance, 2with false saturation results, 6Iodinated lipids, 5Iodinedosage. See How much iodine to takeforms of, 1saturation with. See Saturation with iodinetesting. See Iodine Loading Testwhen to take, 3Iodine Loading Testand bromides, effect on results of, 6ordered with Bromide Levels Test, 7ordering, 7, 8second testing, time for, 6Iodine Spot Test, 7, 8Iodoralamount of iodine per tablet, 1how much to take, 2where to buy, 3Iosol, 1Length of time to take iodine, 3Lugol's liquid iodineamount of iodine per drop, 1how much to take, 2Magnascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineMagnesiumas supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2weight gain and, 4Mercuryamalgam fillings in teeth, 4bombarding our systems, 2Nascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineNiacinas optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6no-flush, amount to take, 7physiology and, 5Oxidation/organification of iodineATP CoFactors to treat, 7physiology, 4test to check function of, 7Patch test on skin, 4Phosphorylation, 5Prolamine (Standard Process), 1Resourcescancer and iodine, 2Dr. Brownstein books, 9Dr. Derry article, 9Dr. Guy Abraham articles (Optimox site), 9Iodine Group's iodine research site, 9skin patch test, 4where to buy Iodoral, 3www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6Riboflavinamount to take, 7as optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6physiology and, 5Salt loading protocol, 3Salt, unrefinedadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2function in body, 2, 3in salt loading protocol, 3Saturation with iodineand false readings, 6Detoxified iodine not providing, 1Seleniumand cancer, 2as supporting nutrient, 2Skin patch test, 4Supporting nutrients requiredamounts and functions, 2when to take, 3Symporter defectsand false high reading in saturation levels, 7test for, 7Vitamin C in treatment of, 7T3, free. See Free T4T4, free. See Free T4Thyroglobulin, 5, 6Thyroid hormonesferritin in production of, 4iodine in production of, 5, 6selenium in production of, 2TSH rising and, 6Timefor second round of testing, 6length of, to take iodine, 3of day, to take supplements, 3TPO, 5TSH rise, following iodine supplementation, 6Vitamin B group, and weight gain, 4Vitamin B2. See RiboflavinVitamin B3. See NiacinVitamin Cadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, 2symporter defects healing with, 7Vitamin D, 4Vitamin Research Products, 8Weight gain, 4www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6ZRT Laboratories, 8~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 That’s what I thought---but that is interesting re: nuts in the shell---I had not thought of that!Thanks From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of david kennaSent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 1:04 PMiodine Subject: Re: Speaking of Selenium Hi ,Three points about getting selenium from Brazil nuts.1. You can get them in shell and break open and eat oryou can buy them whole without shell or broken.In shell is like ten times better because of the amount of selenium available.How whole nuts without shell lose this micro nutrient is a mystery to me?Or indeed why broken ones only give 10% of the value.That is what I picked up somewhere I have no test data.Maybe NIH or USDA would have values. Mind you any values imply a generalisation which for multiple reasonsmay be inapplicable. Thats another way of saying it is impossible to evaluateevery single brazil nut.As for eating. If you eat a little at a time I can't see how the liver would have problems? From: Butts <renee-butts@...>iodine Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2011, 22:15Subject: Speaking of Selenium My doc said to stop taking Brazil Nuts that they are too hard on the liver (or kidney)---And to just take yeast based Selenium tablets---I know a lot of you are very knowledgeable---do you have an opinion on that? I would rather take the nuts, but---can do either---Thank you--- From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of HillSent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 1:07 PMiodine Subject: Re: For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email body I read all of this in the files yes.I never saw as i said anywhere where it states how much to start on, how to increase at what dose. I am very concerned that this will make me ill, and feel even worse.But i started on 27 mgs. I did see to max out at 50 mgs. So i will ramp up i guess to 50 mgs.And thanks for all your work and thanks to too. Many thanks.I am taking the C, mag, and am eating several Brazil nuts daily to give me the selenium. I think the nuts are enough selenium. I hope.If you don't think so, will you plz let me know. I will then get some selenium.Thanks again. Bek From: Kathleen Blake <kathleenblake@...>Subject: For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email bodyiodine Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 10:45 PM Bek, this is for you incase you can't find this in the Files. was kind enough to put this in an email form for us. Best, Kathleen For any members who cannot d/l or access the Files on the website:Below is appended the New Member Document. This contains all the info youneed to get started. Please read, and then ask questions thatremain. Thank you :)Iodine information to get you started ÂCommonly Asked Questions.1. Forms of Iodine2. How much Iodine do I need to take?3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?5. How long should I take Iodine?6. Where can I buy Iodoral?7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?8. What are the sources of Bromide?9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so Imust be very deficient.10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYA Proposed Mechanism for the Development of Autoimmune Thyroid DisordersWhat Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessHow to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders14. My TSH went up on Iodine.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.19. Recommended Reading.1. Forms of Iodinea. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified or Atomidine)  Based onEdgar Cayce's " energized " iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1%concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electro-magnetically transmuted(while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild acid solution) intothe Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 mcg or .150 mg of Iodine. This form willnot saturate body tissues and has not been proven to detox halides such asbromide, fluoride, chloride, and mercury, as other forms have.b. Iosol  1830 mcg / drop of Iodine onlyc. Prolamine (Standard Process)  3 mgs Iodine onlyd. Lugol's liquid  Iodine / Potassium Iodide  2% and 5%solutions. 5% solution is 6.25 mgs / drop.e. Iodoral  Lugol's formula in pill form  Iodine / PotassiumIodide - 12.5 mgs & 50 mgs2. How much Iodine do I need to take?There are no amounts that can be given as a blanketrecommendation. Everyone needs different amounts based on their body'sability to utilize the nutrients as well as the level of toxic halideexposure they have each day. If you are dealing with a severe healthcondition then your dosages would need to be higher than those trying tomaintain good health.a. Maintenance  It was once believed that a good maintenance dose is25 mgs per day. But with more information being gained about the exposuresto halides bombarding our systems (bromides, fluorides, chlorine) as wellas mercury, etc., maintenance of health may require higher doses ofiodine. The iodine doctors are now beginning to believe that 50 mgs may bethe minimum required dose.b. Cancer  Cancer is a result of mutated cells. Iodine is absolutelycritical for something called P53 gene which is known as the " keeper of thegenetic code " . Without iodine and selenium it will not function toeliminate abnormal cells from the body such as cancer. Cancer patientshave taken anywhere from 50  300 mgs / day successfully. Here is a goodarticle on how P53 works with the mdm2 in cancer<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm For information on the P53 and Iodine see the Minerals for the Genetic Codebook.c. Children  These are the levels that I gave my children at thevarious ages. This is not meant to be a recommendation but a guideline forwhat was safe for my (Dr. Buist) children and others I have been in contactwith.i. Up to 3 years  3 drops of Detoxified Iodine(<http://www.iodinesource.com>www.iodinesource.com) per day or take 1 dropof 5% Lugol's solution in water and then take ½ of the water and give itto the child. This results in 3.125 mgs / dose.ii. 3yrs to 5 yrs  6.25 mgs of Iodoral or 1 drop 5% LugolsSolution(6.25 mgs)iii. 5 yrs to 9 yrs  12.5 mgs of Iodoral or 2 drops 5% LugolsSolution (12.5 mgs)iv. 9 yrs to 16 yrs  25 mgs of Iodoral or 4 drops 5% LugolsSolution (25 mgs)v. 16 yrs and up  will depend on health issues, weight, etcand cannot be given in generalities. Dosages range from 12.5 mgs to 300 mgs.3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.These are required to support the body while supplementing with iodine:a. Vit C  2,000  5,000 mgs / day  supports the symporters andassists as an antioxidant to detoxing.b. Selenium  200  400 mcg / day  needed for detoxification andthyroid hormone creation.c. Unrefined salt (Celtic)  ½ tsp / day  supports adrenals, bindsto bromide and assists in removal, supports symporters (sodium iodinesymporters or NIS)d. Magnesium  400 mgs / day  critical for over 300 enzyme reactionsin the body.e. Optional  ATP CoFactors -1 tablet 2x / day  when individualscontinue to feel fatigued or have autoimmune thyroid disease this productcan assist in increasing ATP (energy) within the cells. Riboflavin andno-flush niacin.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?a. Iodine should be taken with food. This seems to enhanceabsorption as well as protecting sensitive stomachs from a potential upset.b. The supporting nutrients can be taken with iodine and withfood. There is no spacing or timing required.c. Iodine should be taken earlier in the day (before 2 pm) becausefor some it increases energy so much that they are unable to sleep.5. How long should I take Iodine?Dr. Abraham has states that it should take 6 months of 50 mgs to reach 90%saturation. However, as testing has become more widely available, it seemsto be taking individuals years to detox halides and allow the iodine toenter the cells. Consequently, there is no set time that a person canexpect to supplement and reach saturation levels.6. Where can I buy Iodoral?These are a few sources that have been found to be a good option.a. www.breastcancerchoices.org - ships internationally / freeshipping with larger ordersb. www.illnessisoptional.com - ships internationallyc. www.vrp.com - ships internationallyd. www.amazon.come. You can check Froogle (google shopping tool) to find the currentcosts of various suppliers http://tinyurl.com/49zvmrl7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?Perform the salt loading protocol when you are experiencing detoxificationsymptoms with iodine supplementation. **Note that you should not need todo this for more than 3 days. If you do then you need to reduce yourdosing of iodine.1/2 tsp celtic (or other unrefined) salt in 1/2 cup of warm waterFollow the above with a glass of 12 oz filtered water.** Repeat every 30-45 minutes as needed until urination begins.Why does this help?Salt - containing chloride - binds to the bromide in the blood stream andcarries it out through the kidneys.8. What are the sources of Bromide?Over and over people come to the Iodine group claiming that they can'tpossibly be toxic in bromide because they are gluten free, eat a cleandiet, etc. Guess what? It isn't diet related in most cases. Bromide is aflame retardant that is used in and on many items around you. Theseinclude carpeting, furniture, mattresses, clothing, computers, iPhones, andautomobiles  just to name a few. Food sources can include items likebaked goods that contain brominated flour or vegetable oil as well as softdrinks like Mountain Dew and other citrus based sodas. It can also befound in some Gatorade products. For many years it was used in the form ofMethyl Bromide as a pesticide on strawberries.9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly soI must be very deficient.Not necessarily. The patch test isn't very scientific and many factors gointo why it disappears. Read the following article by Dr. Abraham for moreinformation<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.This has been happening to people taking 50 mgs or more of Iodoral. It hasbeen rectified by adding a B6  Complex along with an iron supplement tohelp restore ferritin to normal levels. It is thought to occur due to anincrease in metabolic rate that requires more iron. Sufficient ferritinlevels (60-70) are needed to create and utilize thyroid hormones.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.Unfortunately this can occur in those that are very toxic in halides likebromide. If your detoxification pathways are not able to eliminate thetoxins being released by iodine then your body will buffer them with waterand fat. It may be due, in part, to lowered calcium levels as well asmagnesium, vit D, and B Vitamins. All work to maintain balance in thecells and eliminate toxins.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?While iodine does seem to pull out mercury from the cells / tissues of thebody, there has been no indication that it is dangerous to take iodinewhile amalgams remain in the body. If there is concern, supplements likecilantro, chlorella and others can be used to help bind and carry themercury out of the body. Consulting with a good holistic / biologicaldentist as well as an alternative medicine doctor can help to assess yourtoxicity level and assist you in safe removal of amalgams and chelation.13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Dr. Brownstein believes that low iodine is one the key causes inautoimmune thyroid disease. The following is an excerpt from Dr.Brownstein's Iodine book.THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY ANDANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYChapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of theiodinated form of lactone ( - Iodolactone).- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its productionis also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification of iodine.As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occursthrough the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product inorder to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organificationcan occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroidhormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3,this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinatedlipidsÂ-iodolactone.Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand,-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. Ifthere is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequateamounts of -iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroidcell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such asHashimoto's or Graves' disease.A Proposed Mechanism for the Development ofAutoimmune Thyroid DisordersThe NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. Themitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondriaproduce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidativephosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiarwith oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many stepsresponsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many itemsincluding: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatiguesyndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP isthe molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantlyproducing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that isbeyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2(riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidativephosphorylation and ATP production.Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is thisproduction of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidationprocess of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide toform iodine.If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDAfor iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produceiodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of -iodolactoneand other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the 'brake' in the pathwayto oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too muchhydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessThe body's response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO oranti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto's disease requires thepresence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surroundingproteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulinwill result in the body producing antibodies againstthyroglobulinÂanti-thyroglobulin antibodies.In most cases of Hashimoto's disease, there are antibodies to both TPO andthyroglobulin present. Although Graves' disease may also possess thesesame antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosisof Graves' disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that thetreatment for both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease can follow a similarcourse with similar positive outcomes.How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate toiodinate lipids.2. Take Vitamins B2 (Riboflavin) and B3 (Niacin) in amountsnecessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria withantioxidants.4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels.5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body.14. My TSH went up on Iodine.This is a common occurrence when a person starts to take iodine after beingdeficient. The body increases TSH to stimulate production of thyroglobulinwhich is used to bind to the iodine in thyroid hormoneproduction. Individuals can have TSH levels as high as 75 for up to 6months without clinical signs of hypothyroidism. The best values to checkwith labs if there is a concern are the Free T3 and Free T4. You will findin most cases that the " frees " are nicely within the ranges.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Iodine is used by every gland and mucosal lining and is needed to healthe adrenals. You should also use unrefined salt to support them as wellas Vitamin C. Other products such as ashwaganda, licorice root, adrenalglandulars and in severe conditions a doctor can prescribe hydrocortisoneto replace the body's deficiency.16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.The best resource for breast cancer is<http://www.breastcancerchoices.org>www.breastcancerchoices.org which is anon-profit organization run by Lynne Farrow who is a breast cancersurvivor. They are dedicated to the grass roots research into iodine'seffectiveness as treatment.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.As the years have gone by members of the group have been testing relativelyhigh in their saturation levels with the Iodine loading tests. This isusually met with jubilation that they are at a good level. But wait! Thisisn't a place to stop. A bromide level test has become available and canbe added to the loading test. This is highly recommended because it givesa clearer picture of what the TRUE status of the saturation level is. As ageneral rule if you see a higher saturation level (80% or above) with abromide level over 10 mgs/L (the upper limit of normal per Dr. Guy Abraham)you are bromide toxic and the receptors that would normally be able to pulliodine into the cells cannot because bromide is blocking thereceptors. This will result in a high level of iodine being eliminated inthe urine indicating (falsely) that you are more saturated than youare. Persons with results such as these should consider supplementing withLugol's or Iodoral in doses of 50 mgs or more for 6 mos to 1 year and thenretest Iodine Loading and Bromide levels to see what the new statusis. Dr. Abraham has stated that this amount of time is needed to makesignificant progress in detoxing and to build saturation in thecells. After supplementing for 6 mos to 1 year, the trend has been to seesaturation levels go down while bromide elimination levels increase.Another reason for a false high reading in saturation levels is due todefects in the symporters of the cells. Dr. Abraham addresses this on hiswebsite at<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm which suggests the usage of Vitamin C to heal symporters.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.It is recommended that you order both the 24 hour loading and bromide leveltest. We recommend this because you may obtain a high saturation level andbelieve that your levels are fine when in fact bromide toxicity will blockthe iodine receptors not allowing iodine to enter the cell which results inan elimination of iodine when it is needed / deficient thus skewing thetest results.The following list is a compilation of resources for obtaining the Iodineloading test.Hakala Research885 Parfet Street Unit ELakewood, CO 80215877.238.1779*** It is not recommended that you do the spot test as this is only anindicator of how much iodine is in the diet and offers no real value to thebody saturation. The two asterisk items are the recommended tests.** Iodine Loading Kit Only $70Iodine Spot Level Kit Only $70Iodine Spot and Loading Kit $95** Bromide Level Testing (must be combined with one of the above kits) $35Test prices do not include return shipping.They now also offer iodine serum/saliva testing to check for Organification/ Oxidation issues as well as symporter defects. The test is available twoways:1. 24 hour Iodine loading test plus the serum saliva ratio cost: $155.00.2. Serum saliva ratio without the urine test cost: $110.00.The serum/saliva ratio gives the degree of usage of iodine within the cell,if the ratio is below normal this signifies a symporter defect (NIS) whilea higher than normal ratio points to an organification problem.According to Dr. Abrahams articles the symporter can be repaired using 3 gmof slow release Vitamin C per day, the organification issue responds to ATPCoFactors (Riboflavin 100mg + NoFlush Niacin 500mg) twice daily.=============================================================================FFP LabsDr. Jorg Flechas MD80 Doctors Drive Ste 3ville, NC 28792(1-877-900-5556)The cost of this test is $80.If it is not ordered by a physician you must tell them you are ordering iton your own and they will assign you to a nurse practitioner. When you getthe results of this test you can receive a free consultation with Dr. Flechas.You may also obtain a urine spot test for an additional $30 for a total of$110 for both tests.Spot / Loading / Bromide test can be obtained for $230=============================================================================Vitamin Research Products** As of the last time this test was reviewed no bromide testing is available.<http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137>http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137 $100 for both the spot and loading test.Kit requires an ordering physician.=============================================================================Doctors Data** This lab does not seem to report in the manner that is described in Dr.Abraham's research so it is difficult to determine true saturation andbromide levels.Pre and post loading - requires an ordering physician.<http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118>http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118 ====================================================================================ZRT LaboratoriesThis is a new test that is not performed in the manner outlined by Dr.Abraham, Dr Brownstein or Dr. Flechas which has been used effectively sincethe 1990's. It has not been proven to correlate with the health conditionsof those with iodine deficiency and does not offer a bromide level testwhich is critical in determining how accurate the saturation level is. Atthis point the Iodine group does not recommend this test.19. Recommended Reading.Many of the questions asked over and over are covered in these referencematerials. Please familiarize yourself with them to help with limiting therepetition of information on the group.a. Dr Brownstein  Iodine Why You Need It, Why You Can't LiveWithout it <http://www.drbrownstein.com>www.drbrownstein.comb. Dr. Brownstein  Salt Your Way To Healthc. Dr. Derry  Breast Cancer and Iodine: How to Prevent andHow to Survive Breast Cancer<http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm>http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm d. <http://www.optimox.com>www.optimox.com - Research by Dr. GuyAbraham  the founder of The Iodine Projecte. <http://www.iodine4health.com>www.iodine4health.com - The IodineGroup's repository for Iodine research.20. INDEXAdrenal fatigue, 6Antibodies, 5Atomidine iodine. See Detoxified iodineATP, 3, 5ATP CoFactorsas optional supporting nutrient, 2physiology, 5Autoimmune thyroid diseasesmechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause, 4Breast cancer, 6Bromide testingin combination with iodine loading test, 6ordering, 7, 8second testing, 6Bromides. See also Detoxificationand the iodine loading test, 6and weight gain, 4bombarding our systems, 2normal levels of, 6sources of, 3Calcium, weight gain and, 4Cancerbreast cancer, 6how much iodine to take, 2Celtic sea salt. See Salt, unrefinedChelation, mercury amalgam fillings and, 4Children, how much iodine to take, 2Chlorine, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Companion nutrients. See Supporting nutrients requiredDental mercury amalgam fillings, 4Detoxificationforms of iodine not producing, 1length of time expected for, 3symptoms of, salt loading protocol to alleviate, 3Detoxified iodineamount of iodine in, 1for children under 3 years, 2Doctors Data (laboratory), 8Ferritin levels dropping, 4FFP Labs, 8Flame retardants, as source of bromides, 3Fluoride, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Foodas source of bromides, 3taking supplements with, 3Forms of iodine, 1Free T3, and rise in TSH, 6Free T4, and rise in TSH, 6Graves' diseaseantibodies and, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause of, 5Hakala Research (laboratory), 7Halides. See also Bromides; Detoxificationlist of types of, 2Hashimoto's disease, 4cause underlying, 4mechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6How much iodine to takecancer, 2children, 2maintenance, 2with false saturation results, 6Iodinated lipids, 5Iodinedosage. See How much iodine to takeforms of, 1saturation with. See Saturation with iodinetesting. See Iodine Loading Testwhen to take, 3Iodine Loading Testand bromides, effect on results of, 6ordered with Bromide Levels Test, 7ordering, 7, 8second testing, time for, 6Iodine Spot Test, 7, 8Iodoralamount of iodine per tablet, 1how much to take, 2where to buy, 3Iosol, 1Length of time to take iodine, 3Lugol's liquid iodineamount of iodine per drop, 1how much to take, 2Magnascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineMagnesiumas supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2weight gain and, 4Mercuryamalgam fillings in teeth, 4bombarding our systems, 2Nascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineNiacinas optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6no-flush, amount to take, 7physiology and, 5Oxidation/organification of iodineATP CoFactors to treat, 7physiology, 4test to check function of, 7Patch test on skin, 4Phosphorylation, 5Prolamine (Standard Process), 1Resourcescancer and iodine, 2Dr. Brownstein books, 9Dr. Derry article, 9Dr. Guy Abraham articles (Optimox site), 9Iodine Group's iodine research site, 9skin patch test, 4where to buy Iodoral, 3www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6Riboflavinamount to take, 7as optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6physiology and, 5Salt loading protocol, 3Salt, unrefinedadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2function in body, 2, 3in salt loading protocol, 3Saturation with iodineand false readings, 6Detoxified iodine not providing, 1Seleniumand cancer, 2as supporting nutrient, 2Skin patch test, 4Supporting nutrients requiredamounts and functions, 2when to take, 3Symporter defectsand false high reading in saturation levels, 7test for, 7Vitamin C in treatment of, 7T3, free. See Free T4T4, free. See Free T4Thyroglobulin, 5, 6Thyroid hormonesferritin in production of, 4iodine in production of, 5, 6selenium in production of, 2TSH rising and, 6Timefor second round of testing, 6length of, to take iodine, 3of day, to take supplements, 3TPO, 5TSH rise, following iodine supplementation, 6Vitamin B group, and weight gain, 4Vitamin B2. See RiboflavinVitamin B3. See NiacinVitamin Cadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, 2symporter defects healing with, 7Vitamin D, 4Vitamin Research Products, 8Weight gain, 4www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6ZRT Laboratories, 8~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Hi Jeannie,Mostly in the Autumn probably for seasonal reasons.Makes one wonder about the value of mixes in terms of nutrients?From: Jeannie <jeannie.wright@...>iodine Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011, 19:15Subject: Re: Speaking of Selenium  Hi , Where do you buy them in the shell? I have not seen them in or out of the shell here, except unshelled in a mix. Jeannie For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email bodyiodine Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 10:45 PM Bek, this is for you incase you can't find this in the Files. was kind enough to put this in an email form for us. Best, Kathleen For any members who cannot d/l or access the Files on the website:Below is appended the New Member Document. This contains all the info youneed to get started. Please read, and then ask questions thatremain. Thank you :)Iodine information to get you started ÂCommonly Asked Questions.1. Forms of Iodine2. How much Iodine do I need to take?3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?5. How long should I take Iodine?6. Where can I buy Iodoral?7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?8. What are the sources of Bromide?9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so Imust be very deficient.10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYA Proposed Mechanism for the Development of Autoimmune Thyroid DisordersWhat Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessHow to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders14. My TSH went up on Iodine.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.19. Recommended Reading.1. Forms of Iodinea. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified or Atomidine)  Based onEdgar Cayce's "energized" iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1%concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electro-magnetically transmuted(while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild acid solution) intothe Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 mcg or .150 mg of Iodine. This form willnot saturate body tissues and has not been proven to detox halides such asbromide, fluoride, chloride, and mercury, as other forms have.b. Iosol  1830 mcg / drop of Iodine onlyc. Prolamine (Standard Process)  3 mgs Iodine onlyd. Lugol's liquid  Iodine / Potassium Iodide  2% and 5%solutions. 5% solution is 6.25 mgs / drop.e. Iodoral  Lugol's formula in pill form  Iodine / PotassiumIodide - 12.5 mgs & 50 mgs2. How much Iodine do I need to take?There are no amounts that can be given as a blanketrecommendation. Everyone needs different amounts based on their body'sability to utilize the nutrients as well as the level of toxic halideexposure they have each day. If you are dealing with a severe healthcondition then your dosages would need to be higher than those trying tomaintain good health.a. Maintenance  It was once believed that a good maintenance dose is25 mgs per day. But with more information being gained about the exposuresto halides bombarding our systems (bromides, fluorides, chlorine) as wellas mercury, etc., maintenance of health may require higher doses ofiodine. The iodine doctors are now beginning to believe that 50 mgs may bethe minimum required dose.b. Cancer  Cancer is a result of mutated cells. Iodine is absolutelycritical for something called P53 gene which is known as the "keeper of thegenetic code". Without iodine and selenium it will not function toeliminate abnormal cells from the body such as cancer. Cancer patientshave taken anywhere from 50  300 mgs / day successfully. Here is a goodarticle on how P53 works with the mdm2 in cancer<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm For information on the P53 and Iodine see the Minerals for the Genetic Codebook.c. Children  These are the levels that I gave my children at thevarious ages. This is not meant to be a recommendation but a guideline forwhat was safe for my (Dr. Buist) children and others I have been in contactwith.i. Up to 3 years  3 drops of Detoxified Iodine(<http://www.iodinesource.com>www.iodinesource.com) per day or take 1 dropof 5% Lugol's solution in water and then take ½ of the water and give itto the child. This results in 3.125 mgs / dose.ii. 3yrs to 5 yrs  6.25 mgs of Iodoral or 1 drop 5% LugolsSolution(6.25 mgs)iii. 5 yrs to 9 yrs  12.5 mgs of Iodoral or 2 drops 5% LugolsSolution (12.5 mgs)iv. 9 yrs to 16 yrs  25 mgs of Iodoral or 4 drops 5% LugolsSolution (25 mgs)v. 16 yrs and up  will depend on health issues, weight, etcand cannot be given in generalities. Dosages range from 12.5 mgs to 300 mgs.3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.These are required to support the body while supplementing with iodine:a. Vit C  2,000  5,000 mgs / day  supports the symporters andassists as an antioxidant to detoxing.b. Selenium  200  400 mcg / day  needed for detoxification andthyroid hormone creation.c. Unrefined salt (Celtic)  ½ tsp / day  supports adrenals, bindsto bromide and assists in removal, supports symporters (sodium iodinesymporters or NIS)d. Magnesium  400 mgs / day  critical for over 300 enzyme reactionsin the body.e. Optional  ATP CoFactors -1 tablet 2x / day  when individualscontinue to feel fatigued or have autoimmune thyroid disease this productcan assist in increasing ATP (energy) within the cells. Riboflavin andno-flush niacin.4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to spacethem apart?a. Iodine should be taken with food. This seems to enhanceabsorption as well as protecting sensitive stomachs from a potential upset.b. The supporting nutrients can be taken with iodine and withfood. There is no spacing or timing required.c. Iodine should be taken earlier in the day (before 2 pm) becausefor some it increases energy so much that they are unable to sleep.5. How long should I take Iodine?Dr. Abraham has states that it should take 6 months of 50 mgs to reach 90%saturation. However, as testing has become more widely available, it seemsto be taking individuals years to detox halides and allow the iodine toenter the cells. Consequently, there is no set time that a person canexpect to supplement and reach saturation levels.6. Where can I buy Iodoral?These are a few sources that have been found to be a good option.a. www.breastcancerchoices.org - ships internationally / freeshipping with larger ordersb. www.illnessisoptional.com - ships internationallyc. www.vrp.com - ships internationallyd. www.amazon.come. You can check Froogle (google shopping tool) to find the currentcosts of various suppliers http://tinyurl.com/49zvmrl7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?Perform the salt loading protocol when you are experiencing detoxificationsymptoms with iodine supplementation. **Note that you should not need todo this for more than 3 days. If you do then you need to reduce yourdosing of iodine.1/2 tsp celtic (or other unrefined) salt in 1/2 cup of warm waterFollow the above with a glass of 12 oz filtered water.** Repeat every 30-45 minutes as needed until urination begins.Why does this help?Salt - containing chloride - binds to the bromide in the blood stream andcarries it out through the kidneys.8. What are the sources of Bromide?Over and over people come to the Iodine group claiming that they can'tpossibly be toxic in bromide because they are gluten free, eat a cleandiet, etc. Guess what? It isn't diet related in most cases. Bromide is aflame retardant that is used in and on many items around you. Theseinclude carpeting, furniture, mattresses, clothing, computers, iPhones, andautomobiles  just to name a few. Food sources can include items likebaked goods that contain brominated flour or vegetable oil as well as softdrinks like Mountain Dew and other citrus based sodas. It can also befound in some Gatorade products. For many years it was used in the form ofMethyl Bromide as a pesticide on strawberries.9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly soI must be very deficient.Not necessarily. The patch test isn't very scientific and many factors gointo why it disappears. Read the following article by Dr. Abraham for moreinformation<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.This has been happening to people taking 50 mgs or more of Iodoral. It hasbeen rectified by adding a B6  Complex along with an iron supplement tohelp restore ferritin to normal levels. It is thought to occur due to anincrease in metabolic rate that requires more iron. Sufficient ferritinlevels (60-70) are needed to create and utilize thyroid hormones.11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.Unfortunately this can occur in those that are very toxic in halides likebromide. If your detoxification pathways are not able to eliminate thetoxins being released by iodine then your body will buffer them with waterand fat. It may be due, in part, to lowered calcium levels as well asmagnesium, vit D, and B Vitamins. All work to maintain balance in thecells and eliminate toxins.12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercuryamalgam fillings?While iodine does seem to pull out mercury from the cells / tissues of thebody, there has been no indication that it is dangerous to take iodinewhile amalgams remain in the body. If there is concern, supplements likecilantro, chlorella and others can be used to help bind and carry themercury out of the body. Consulting with a good holistic / biologicaldentist as well as an alternative medicine doctor can help to assess yourtoxicity level and assist you in safe removal of amalgams and chelation.13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Dr. Brownstein believes that low iodine is one the key causes inautoimmune thyroid disease. The following is an excerpt from Dr.Brownstein's Iodine book.THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY ANDANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCYChapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of theiodinated form of lactone ( - Iodolactone).- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its productionis also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification of iodine.As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occursthrough the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product inorder to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organificationcan occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroidhormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3,this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinatedlipidsÂ-iodolactone.Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand,-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. Ifthere is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequateamounts of -iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroidcell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such asHashimoto's or Graves' disease.A Proposed Mechanism for the Development ofAutoimmune Thyroid DisordersThe NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. Themitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondriaproduce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidativephosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiarwith oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many stepsresponsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many itemsincluding: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatiguesyndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP isthe molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantlyproducing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that isbeyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2(riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidativephosphorylation and ATP production.Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is thisproduction of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidationprocess of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide toform iodine.If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDAfor iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produceiodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of -iodolactoneand other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the 'brake' in the pathwayto oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too muchhydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid IllnessThe body's response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO oranti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto's disease requires thepresence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surroundingproteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulinwill result in the body producing antibodies againstthyroglobulinÂanti-thyroglobulin antibodies.In most cases of Hashimoto's disease, there are antibodies to both TPO andthyroglobulin present. Although Graves' disease may also possess thesesame antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosisof Graves' disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that thetreatment for both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease can follow a similarcourse with similar positive outcomes.How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate toiodinate lipids.2. Take Vitamins B2 (Riboflavin) and B3 (Niacin) in amountsnecessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria withantioxidants.4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels.5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body.14. My TSH went up on Iodine.This is a common occurrence when a person starts to take iodine after beingdeficient. The body increases TSH to stimulate production of thyroglobulinwhich is used to bind to the iodine in thyroid hormoneproduction. Individuals can have TSH levels as high as 75 for up to 6months without clinical signs of hypothyroidism. The best values to checkwith labs if there is a concern are the Free T3 and Free T4. You will findin most cases that the "frees" are nicely within the ranges.15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?Yes, Iodine is used by every gland and mucosal lining and is needed to healthe adrenals. You should also use unrefined salt to support them as wellas Vitamin C. Other products such as ashwaganda, licorice root, adrenalglandulars and in severe conditions a doctor can prescribe hydrocortisoneto replace the body's deficiency.16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more aboutusing Iodine.The best resource for breast cancer is<http://www.breastcancerchoices.org>www.breastcancerchoices.org which is anon-profit organization run by Lynne Farrow who is a breast cancersurvivor. They are dedicated to the grass roots research into iodine'seffectiveness as treatment.17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.As the years have gone by members of the group have been testing relativelyhigh in their saturation levels with the Iodine loading tests. This isusually met with jubilation that they are at a good level. But wait! Thisisn't a place to stop. A bromide level test has become available and canbe added to the loading test. This is highly recommended because it givesa clearer picture of what the TRUE status of the saturation level is. As ageneral rule if you see a higher saturation level (80% or above) with abromide level over 10 mgs/L (the upper limit of normal per Dr. Guy Abraham)you are bromide toxic and the receptors that would normally be able to pulliodine into the cells cannot because bromide is blocking thereceptors. This will result in a high level of iodine being eliminated inthe urine indicating (falsely) that you are more saturated than youare. Persons with results such as these should consider supplementing withLugol's or Iodoral in doses of 50 mgs or more for 6 mos to 1 year and thenretest Iodine Loading and Bromide levels to see what the new statusis. Dr. Abraham has stated that this amount of time is needed to makesignificant progress in detoxing and to build saturation in thecells. After supplementing for 6 mos to 1 year, the trend has been to seesaturation levels go down while bromide elimination levels increase.Another reason for a false high reading in saturation levels is due todefects in the symporters of the cells. Dr. Abraham addresses this on hiswebsite at<http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm which suggests the usage of Vitamin C to heal symporters.18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.It is recommended that you order both the 24 hour loading and bromide leveltest. We recommend this because you may obtain a high saturation level andbelieve that your levels are fine when in fact bromide toxicity will blockthe iodine receptors not allowing iodine to enter the cell which results inan elimination of iodine when it is needed / deficient thus skewing thetest results.The following list is a compilation of resources for obtaining the Iodineloading test.Hakala Research885 Parfet Street Unit ELakewood, CO 80215877.238.1779*** It is not recommended that you do the spot test as this is only anindicator of how much iodine is in the diet and offers no real value to thebody saturation. The two asterisk items are the recommended tests.** Iodine Loading Kit Only $70Iodine Spot Level Kit Only $70Iodine Spot and Loading Kit $95** Bromide Level Testing (must be combined with one of the above kits) $35Test prices do not include return shipping.They now also offer iodine serum/saliva testing to check for Organification/ Oxidation issues as well as symporter defects. The test is available twoways:1. 24 hour Iodine loading test plus the serum saliva ratio cost: $155.00.2. Serum saliva ratio without the urine test cost: $110.00.The serum/saliva ratio gives the degree of usage of iodine within the cell,if the ratio is below normal this signifies a symporter defect (NIS) whilea higher than normal ratio points to an organification problem.According to Dr. Abrahams articles the symporter can be repaired using 3 gmof slow release Vitamin C per day, the organification issue responds to ATPCoFactors (Riboflavin 100mg + NoFlush Niacin 500mg) twice daily.=============================================================================FFP LabsDr. Jorg Flechas MD80 Doctors Drive Ste 3ville, NC 28792(1-877-900-5556)The cost of this test is $80.If it is not ordered by a physician you must tell them you are ordering iton your own and they will assign you to a nurse practitioner. When you getthe results of this test you can receive a free consultation with Dr. Flechas.You may also obtain a urine spot test for an additional $30 for a total of$110 for both tests.Spot / Loading / Bromide test can be obtained for $230=============================================================================Vitamin Research Products** As of the last time this test was reviewed no bromide testing is available.<http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137>http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137 $100 for both the spot and loading test.Kit requires an ordering physician.=============================================================================Doctors Data** This lab does not seem to report in the manner that is described in Dr.Abraham's research so it is difficult to determine true saturation andbromide levels.Pre and post loading - requires an ordering physician.<http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118>http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118 ====================================================================================ZRT LaboratoriesThis is a new test that is not performed in the manner outlined by Dr.Abraham, Dr Brownstein or Dr. Flechas which has been used effectively sincethe 1990's. It has not been proven to correlate with the health conditionsof those with iodine deficiency and does not offer a bromide level testwhich is critical in determining how accurate the saturation level is. Atthis point the Iodine group does not recommend this test.19. Recommended Reading.Many of the questions asked over and over are covered in these referencematerials. Please familiarize yourself with them to help with limiting therepetition of information on the group.a. Dr Brownstein  Iodine Why You Need It, Why You Can't LiveWithout it <http://www.drbrownstein.com>www.drbrownstein.comb. Dr. Brownstein  Salt Your Way To Healthc. Dr. Derry  Breast Cancer and Iodine: How to Prevent andHow to Survive Breast Cancer<http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm>http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm d. <http://www.optimox.com>www.optimox.com - Research by Dr. GuyAbraham  the founder of The Iodine Projecte. <http://www.iodine4health.com>www.iodine4health.com - The IodineGroup's repository for Iodine research.20. INDEXAdrenal fatigue, 6Antibodies, 5Atomidine iodine. See Detoxified iodineATP, 3, 5ATP CoFactorsas optional supporting nutrient, 2physiology, 5Autoimmune thyroid diseasesmechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause, 4Breast cancer, 6Bromide testingin combination with iodine loading test, 6ordering, 7, 8second testing, 6Bromides. See also Detoxificationand the iodine loading test, 6and weight gain, 4bombarding our systems, 2normal levels of, 6sources of, 3Calcium, weight gain and, 4Cancerbreast cancer, 6how much iodine to take, 2Celtic sea salt. See Salt, unrefinedChelation, mercury amalgam fillings and, 4Children, how much iodine to take, 2Chlorine, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Companion nutrients. See Supporting nutrients requiredDental mercury amalgam fillings, 4Detoxificationforms of iodine not producing, 1length of time expected for, 3symptoms of, salt loading protocol to alleviate, 3Detoxified iodineamount of iodine in, 1for children under 3 years, 2Doctors Data (laboratory), 8Ferritin levels dropping, 4FFP Labs, 8Flame retardants, as source of bromides, 3Fluoride, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2Foodas source of bromides, 3taking supplements with, 3Forms of iodine, 1Free T3, and rise in TSH, 6Free T4, and rise in TSH, 6Graves' diseaseantibodies and, 5treatment of, 6underlying cause of, 5Hakala Research (laboratory), 7Halides. See also Bromides; Detoxificationlist of types of, 2Hashimoto's disease, 4cause underlying, 4mechanism causing, 5treatment of, 6How much iodine to takecancer, 2children, 2maintenance, 2with false saturation results, 6Iodinated lipids, 5Iodinedosage. See How much iodine to takeforms of, 1saturation with. See Saturation with iodinetesting. See Iodine Loading Testwhen to take, 3Iodine Loading Testand bromides, effect on results of, 6ordered with Bromide Levels Test, 7ordering, 7, 8second testing, time for, 6Iodine Spot Test, 7, 8Iodoralamount of iodine per tablet, 1how much to take, 2where to buy, 3Iosol, 1Length of time to take iodine, 3Lugol's liquid iodineamount of iodine per drop, 1how much to take, 2Magnascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineMagnesiumas supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2weight gain and, 4Mercuryamalgam fillings in teeth, 4bombarding our systems, 2Nascent iodine. See Detoxified iodineNiacinas optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6no-flush, amount to take, 7physiology and, 5Oxidation/organification of iodineATP CoFactors to treat, 7physiology, 4test to check function of, 7Patch test on skin, 4Phosphorylation, 5Prolamine (Standard Process), 1Resourcescancer and iodine, 2Dr. Brownstein books, 9Dr. Derry article, 9Dr. Guy Abraham articles (Optimox site), 9Iodine Group's iodine research site, 9skin patch test, 4where to buy Iodoral, 3www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6Riboflavinamount to take, 7as optional, 3in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6physiology and, 5Salt loading protocol, 3Salt, unrefinedadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2function in body, 2, 3in salt loading protocol, 3Saturation with iodineand false readings, 6Detoxified iodine not providing, 1Seleniumand cancer, 2as supporting nutrient, 2Skin patch test, 4Supporting nutrients requiredamounts and functions, 2when to take, 3Symporter defectsand false high reading in saturation levels, 7test for, 7Vitamin C in treatment of, 7T3, free. See Free T4T4, free. See Free T4Thyroglobulin, 5, 6Thyroid hormonesferritin in production of, 4iodine in production of, 5, 6selenium in production of, 2TSH rising and, 6Timefor second round of testing, 6length of, to take iodine, 3of day, to take supplements, 3TPO, 5TSH rise, following iodine supplementation, 6Vitamin B group, and weight gain, 4Vitamin B2. See RiboflavinVitamin B3. See NiacinVitamin Cadrenal fatigue and, 6as supporting nutrient, 2symporter defects healing with, 7Vitamin D, 4Vitamin Research Products, 8Weight gain, 4www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6ZRT Laboratories, 8~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 For the purposes of the iodine protocol, we believe that taking a selenium supplement is best. If you want, take the minimum selenium amount (200mcg) in supplement form, and then eat Brazil nuts for the remainder of the suggested amount (up to 400mcg). The main reason is that it is not possible to be certain of your selenium dosage with Brazil nuts. The selenium content varies widely. It is essential to get the minimum selenium dosage with the iodine protocol (200mcg). -- On 1 Sep 2011 at 19:04, david kenna wrote: > > Hi , > Three points about getting selenium from Brazil nuts. > 1. You can get them in shell and break open and eat or > you can buy them whole without shell or broken. > In shell is like ten times better because of the amount of selenium > available. How whole nuts without shell lose this micro nutrient is a > mystery to me? Or indeed why broken ones only give 10% of the value. > That is what I picked up somewhere I have no test data. Maybe NIH or > USDA would have values. Mind you any values imply a generalisation > which for multiple reasons may be inapplicable. Thats another way of > saying it is impossible to evaluate every single brazil nut. As for > eating. If you eat a little at a time I can't see how the liver would > have problems? > > > > From: Butts <renee-butts@...> > iodine > Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2011, 22:15 > Subject: Speaking of Selenium > > > > My doc said to stop taking Brazil Nuts that they are too hard on the > liver (or kidney)--- And to just take yeast based Selenium tablets--- > I know a lot of you are very knowledgeable---do you have an opinion on > that? I would rather take the nuts, but---can do either--- Thank > you--- > > > > From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf > Of Hill Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 1:07 PM To: > iodine Subject: Re: For Bek New Member Doc > copied into Email body > > > > > I read all of this in the files yes. > > I never saw as i said anywhere where it states how much to start on, > how to increase at what dose. I am very concerned thatthis will make > me ill, and feel even worse. > > But i started on 27 mgs. > > I did see to max out at 50 mgs. So i will ramp up i guess to 50 mgs. > > And thanks for all your work and thanks to too. Many thanks. > > I am taking the C, mag, and ameating several Brazil nuts daily to give > me the selenium. I think the nuts are enough selenium. I hope. > > If you don't think so, will you plz let me know. I will then get some > selenium. > > Thanks again. > > > > > > Bek > > > > > > > From: Kathleen Blake <kathleenblake@...> > Subject: For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email body > iodine > Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 10:45 PM > > Bek, this is for you incase you can't find this in the Files. > was kind enough to put this in an email form for us. Best, Kathleen > > > > > For any members who cannot d/l or access the Files on the website: > Below is appended the New Member Document. This contains all the > info you need to get started. Please read, and then ask questions > that remain. Thank you > > Iodine information to get you started > Commonly Asked Questions. > > 1. Forms of Iodine > 2. How much Iodine do I need to take? > 3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine. > 4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to space > them apart? > 5. How long should I take Iodine? > 6. Where can I buy Iodoral? > 7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol? > 8. What are the sources of Bromide? > 9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so I > must be very deficient. > 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine. > 11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine. > 12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercury > amalgam fillings? > 13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine? > IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCY > A Proposed Mechanism for the Development of Autoimmune Thyroid > Disorders What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid > Illness How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders 14. My TSH went > up on Iodine. 15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine? 16. I > have breast cancer and would like to learn more about using > Iodine. 17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test. 18. Ordering > an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels. 19. Recommended > Reading. > > 1. Forms of Iodine > > a. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified or Atomidine) Based on > Edgar Cayce's " energized " iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1% > concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electro-magnetically > transmuted (while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild > acid solution) into the Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 mcg or .150 mg > of Iodine. This form will not saturate body tissues and has not > been proven to detox halides such as bromide, fluoride, chloride, > and mercury, as other forms have. b. Iosol 1830 mcg / drop of > Iodine only c. Prolamine (Standard Process) 3 mgs Iodine only > d. Lugol's liquid Iodine / Potassium Iodide 2% and 5% > solutions. 5% solution is 6.25 mgs / drop. e. Iodoral Lugol's > formula in pill form Iodine / Potassium Iodide - 12.5 mgs & 50 > mgs > > 2. How much Iodine do I need to take? > > There are no amounts that can be given as a blanket > recommendation. Everyone needs different amounts based on their > body's ability to utilize the nutrients as well as the level of > toxic halide exposure they have each day. If you are dealing with > a severe health condition then your dosages would need to be > higher than those trying to maintain good health. a. Maintenance > It was once believed that a good maintenance dose is 25 mgs per > day. But with more information being gained about the exposures to > halides bombarding our systems (bromides, fluorides, chlorine) as > well as mercury, etc., maintenance of health may require higher > doses of iodine. The iodine doctors are now beginning to believe > that 50 mgs may be the minimum required dose. b. Cancer Cancer > is a result of mutated cells. Iodine is absolutely critical for > something called P53 gene which is known as the " keeper of the > genetic code " . Without iodine and selenium it will not function to > eliminate abnormal cells from the body such as cancer. Cancer > patients have taken anywhere from 50 300 mgs / day > successfully. Here is a good article on how P53 works with the > mdm2 in cancer > <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm>htt > p://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm > > For information on the P53 and Iodine see the Minerals for the > Genetic Code book. c. Children These are the levels that I gave > my children at the various ages. This is not meant to be a > recommendation but a guideline for what was safe for my (Dr. > Buist) children and others I have been in contact with. i. Up to 3 > years 3 drops of Detoxified Iodine > (<http://www.iodinesource.com>www.iodinesource.com) per day or > take 1 drop of 5% Lugol's solution in water and then take ½ of > the water and give it to the child. This results in 3.125 mgs / > dose. ii. 3yrs to 5 yrs 6.25 mgs of Iodoral or 1 drop 5% Lugols > Solution(6.25 mgs) iii. 5 yrs to 9 yrs 12.5 mgs of Iodoral or 2 > drops 5% Lugols Solution (12.5 mgs) iv. 9 yrs to 16 yrs 25 mgs > of Iodoral or 4 drops 5% Lugols Solution (25 mgs) v. 16 yrs and up > will depend on health issues, weight, etc and cannot be given > in generalities. Dosages range from 12.5 mgs to 300 mgs. > > 3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine. > > These are required to support the body while supplementing with > iodine: a. Vit C 2,000 5,000 mgs / day supports the > symporters and assists as an antioxidant to detoxing. b. Selenium > 200 400 mcg / day needed for detoxification and thyroid > hormone creation. c. Unrefined salt (Celtic) ½ tsp / day > supports adrenals, binds to bromide and assists in removal, > supports symporters (sodium iodine symporters or NIS) d. Magnesium > 400 mgs / day critical for over 300 enzyme reactions in the > body. e. Optional ATP CoFactors -1 tablet 2x / day when > individuals continue to feel fatigued or have autoimmune thyroid > disease this product can assist in increasing ATP (energy) within > the cells. Riboflavin and no-flush niacin. > > 4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to space > them apart? > > a. Iodine should be taken with food. This seems to enhance > absorption as well as protecting sensitive stomachs from a > potential upset. b. The supporting nutrients can be taken with > iodine and with food. There is no spacing or timing required. c. > Iodine should be taken earlier in the day (before 2 pm) because > for some it increases energy so much that they are unable to > sleep. > > 5. How long should I take Iodine? > > Dr. Abraham has states that it should take 6 months of 50 mgs to > reach 90% saturation. However, as testing has become more widely > available, it seems to be taking individuals years to detox > halides and allow the iodine to enter the cells. Consequently, > there is no set time that a person can expect to supplement and > reach saturation levels. > > 6. Where can I buy Iodoral? > > These are a few sources that have been found to be a good option. > a. www.breastcancerchoices.org - ships internationally / free > shipping with larger orders b. www.illnessisoptional.com - ships > internationally c. www.vrp.com - ships internationally d. > www.amazon.com e. You can check Froogle (google shopping tool) to > find the current costs of various suppliers > http://tinyurl.com/49zvmrl > > 7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol? > > Perform the salt loading protocol when you are experiencing > detoxification symptoms with iodine supplementation. **Note that > you should not need to do this for more than 3 days. If you do > then you need to reduce your dosing of iodine. > > 1/2 tsp celtic (or other unrefined) salt in 1/2 cup of warm water > Follow the above with a glass of 12 oz filtered water. ** Repeat > every 30-45 minutes as needed until urination begins. > > Why does this help? > Salt - containing chloride - binds to the bromide in the blood > stream and carries it out through the kidneys. > > 8. What are the sources of Bromide? > > Over and over people come to the Iodine group claiming that they > can't possibly be toxic in bromide because they are gluten free, > eat a clean diet, etc. Guess what? It isn't diet related in most > cases. Bromide is a flame retardant that is used in and on many > items around you. These include carpeting, furniture, mattresses, > clothing, computers, iPhones, and automobiles just to name a > few. Food sources can include items like baked goods that contain > brominated flour or vegetable oil as well as soft drinks like > Mountain Dew and other citrus based sodas. It can also be found in > some Gatorade products. For many years it was used in the form of > Methyl Bromide as a pesticide on strawberries. > > 9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so > I must be very deficient. > > Not necessarily. The patch test isn't very scientific and many > factors go into why it disappears. Read the following article by > Dr. Abraham for more information > <http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm> > http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm > > 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine. > > This has been happening to people taking 50 mgs or more of > Iodoral. It has been rectified by adding a B6 Complex along > with an iron supplement to help restore ferritin to normal levels. > It is thought to occur due to an increase in metabolic rate that > requires more iron. Sufficient ferritin levels (60-70) are needed > to create and utilize thyroid hormones. > > 11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine. > > Unfortunately this can occur in those that are very toxic in > halides like bromide. If your detoxification pathways are not able > to eliminate the toxins being released by iodine then your body > will buffer them with water and fat. It may be due, in part, to > lowered calcium levels as well as magnesium, vit D, and B > Vitamins. All work to maintain balance in the cells and eliminate > toxins. > > 12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercury > amalgam fillings? > > While iodine does seem to pull out mercury from the cells / > tissues of the body, there has been no indication that it is > dangerous to take iodine while amalgams remain in the body. If > there is concern, supplements like cilantro, chlorella and others > can be used to help bind and carry the mercury out of the body. > Consulting with a good holistic / biological dentist as well as an > alternative medicine doctor can help to assess your toxicity level > and assist you in safe removal of amalgams and chelation. > > 13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine? > > Yes, Dr. Brownstein believes that low iodine is one the key causes > in autoimmune thyroid disease. The following is an excerpt from > Dr. Brownstein's Iodine book. > > THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE > DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCY > > Chapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of > the iodinated form of lactone ( - Iodolactone). - Iodolactone is > not only important for preventing cancer, its production is also > necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3 > illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification > of iodine. As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to > iodine occurs through the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a > necessary product in order to provide the correct molecule in the > cell so that organification can occur. If organification does not > take place or is blocked, thyroid hormone and iodo-lipids will not > be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3, this reaction is > controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinated lipids > -iodolactone. Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On > the other hand, -iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a > brake on the system. If there is not enough iodine in the cell to > organify and produce adequate amounts of -iodolactone, it can set > the stage for damage to the thyroid cell and the development of an > autoimmune thyroid disorder such as Hashimoto's or Graves' > disease. > > A Proposed Mechanism for the Development of > Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders > > The NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our > cells. The mitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our > body. The mitochondria produce energy (i.e., ATP) through a > complex process called oxidative phosphorylation. All medical > students (and most physicians) are familiar with oxidative > phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many steps > responsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires > many items including: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids. > Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic > fatigue syndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no > energy. ATP is the molecule that stores energy for the body. The > body is constantly producing and utilizing ATP. Its production is > a complex process that is beyond this book. However, there are two > cofactors, Vitamins B2 (riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are > integral to stimulating oxidative phosphorylation and ATP > production. Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative > phosphorylation. It is this production of hydrogen peroxide that > is so critical to the oxidation process of iodine. Hydrogen > peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide to form iodine. If there > is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDA > for iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to > produce iodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack > of -iodolactone and other iodinated lipids results in a loss of > the 'brake' in the pathway to oxidize iodide. This may result in a > temporarily production of too much hydrogen peroxide. This excess > hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO. > > What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid Illness > > The body's response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against > TPO or anti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto's disease > requires the presence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage > worsens, surrounding proteins can also be damaged such as > thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulin will result in the body > producing antibodies against thyroglobulinanti-thyroglobulin > antibodies. In most cases of Hashimoto's disease, there are > antibodies to both TPO and thyroglobulin present. Although Graves' > disease may also possess these same antibodies, antibody > production is not necessary to make the diagnosis of Graves' > disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that the > treatment for both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease can follow a > similar course with similar positive outcomes. > > How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders > > 1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate to > iodinate lipids. 2. Take Vitamins B2 (Riboflavin) and B3 (Niacin) > in amounts necessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce > adequate amounts of H2O2. 3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid > gland and the mitochondria with antioxidants. 4. Ensure adequate > magnesium levels. 5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body. > > 14. My TSH went up on Iodine. > > This is a common occurrence when a person starts to take iodine > after being deficient. The body increases TSH to stimulate > production of thyroglobulin which is used to bind to the iodine in > thyroid hormone production. Individuals can have TSH levels as > high as 75 for up to 6 months without clinical signs of > hypothyroidism. The best values to check with labs if there is a > concern are the Free T3 and Free T4. You will find in most cases > that the " frees " are nicely within the ranges. > > 15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine? > > Yes, Iodine is used by every gland and mucosal lining and is > needed to heal the adrenals. You should also use unrefined salt to > support them as well as Vitamin C. Other products such as > ashwaganda, licorice root, adrenal glandulars and in severe > conditions a doctor can prescribe hydrocortisone to replace the > body's deficiency. > > 16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more about > using Iodine. > > The best resource for breast cancer is > <http://www.breastcancerchoices.org>www.breastcancerchoices.org > which is a non-profit organization run by Lynne Farrow who is a > breast cancer survivor. They are dedicated to the grass roots > research into iodine's effectiveness as treatment. > > 17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test. > > As the years have gone by members of the group have been testing > relatively high in their saturation levels with the Iodine loading > tests. This is usually met with jubilation that they are at a good > level. But wait! This isn't a place to stop. A bromide level test > has become available and can be added to the loading test. This is > highly recommended because it gives a clearer picture of what the > TRUE status of the saturation level is. As a general rule if you > see a higher saturation level (80% or above) with a bromide level > over 10 mgs/L (the upper limit of normal per Dr. Guy Abraham) you > are bromide toxic and the receptors that would normally be able to > pull iodine into the cells cannot because bromide is blocking the > receptors. This will result in a high level of iodine being > eliminated in the urine indicating (falsely) that you are more > saturated than you are. Persons with results such as these should > consider supplementing with Lugol's or Iodoral in doses of 50 mgs > or more for 6 mos to 1 year and then retest Iodine Loading and > Bromide levels to see what the new status is. Dr. Abraham has > stated that this amount of time is needed to make significant > progress in detoxing and to build saturation in the cells. After > supplementing for 6 mos to 1 year, the trend has been to see > saturation levels go down while bromide elimination levels > increase. > > Another reason for a false high reading in saturation levels is > due to defects in the symporters of the cells. Dr. Abraham > addresses this on his website at > <http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm > >http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm > > which suggests the usage of Vitamin C to heal symporters. > > 18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels. > > It is recommended that you order both the 24 hour loading and > bromide level test. We recommend this because you may obtain a > high saturation level and believe that your levels are fine when > in fact bromide toxicity will block the iodine receptors not > allowing iodine to enter the cell which results in an elimination > of iodine when it is needed / deficient thus skewing the test > results. > > The following list is a compilation of resources for obtaining the > Iodine loading test. Hakala Research 885 Parfet Street Unit E > Lakewood, CO 80215 877.238.1779 > > *** It is not recommended that you do the spot test as this is > only an indicator of how much iodine is in the diet and offers no > real value to the body saturation. The two asterisk items are the > recommended tests. > > ** Iodine Loading Kit Only $70 > Iodine Spot Level Kit Only $70 > Iodine Spot and Loading Kit $95 > ** Bromide Level Testing (must be combined with one of the above > kits) $35 > > Test prices do not include return shipping. > > They now also offer iodine serum/saliva testing to check for > Organification / Oxidation issues as well as symporter defects. > The test is available two ways: > > 1. 24 hour Iodine loading test plus the serum saliva ratio cost: > $155.00. 2. Serum saliva ratio without the urine test cost: > $110.00. > > The serum/saliva ratio gives the degree of usage of iodine within > the cell, if the ratio is below normal this signifies a symporter > defect (NIS) while a higher than normal ratio points to an > organification problem. > > According to Dr. Abrahams articles the symporter can be repaired > using 3 gm of slow release Vitamin C per day, the organification > issue responds to ATP CoFactors (Riboflavin 100mg + NoFlush Niacin > 500mg) twice daily. > > ================================================================== > =========== > > FFP Labs > Dr. Jorg Flechas MD > 80 Doctors Drive Ste 3 > ville, NC 28792 > (1-877-900-5556) > > The cost of this test is $80. > If it is not ordered by a physician you must tell them you are > ordering it on your own and they will assign you to a nurse > practitioner. When you get the results of this test you can > receive a free consultation with Dr. Flechas. > > You may also obtain a urine spot test for an additional $30 for a > total of $110 for both tests. > > Spot / Loading / Bromide test can be obtained for $230 > > ================================================================== > =========== > > Vitamin Research Products > > ** As of the last time this test was reviewed no bromide testing > is available. > > <http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137 > >http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137 > > $100 for both the spot and loading test. > Kit requires an ordering physician. > > ================================================================== > =========== Doctors Data ** This lab does not seem to report in > the manner that is described in Dr. Abraham's research so it is > difficult to determine true saturation and bromide levels. > > Pre and post loading - requires an ordering physician. > <http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118 > >http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118 > > ================================================================== > ================== ZRT Laboratories This is a new test that is not > performed in the manner outlined by Dr. Abraham, Dr Brownstein or > Dr. Flechas which has been used effectively since the 1990's. It > has not been proven to correlate with the health conditions of > those with iodine deficiency and does not offer a bromide level > test which is critical in determining how accurate the saturation > level is. At this point the Iodine group does not recommend this > test. > > 19. Recommended Reading. > > Many of the questions asked over and over are covered in these > reference materials. Please familiarize yourself with them to help > with limiting the repetition of information on the group. a. Dr > Brownstein Iodine Why You Need It, Why You Can't Live > Without it <http://www.drbrownstein.com >www.drbrownstein.com b. > Dr. Brownstein Salt Your Way To Health c. Dr. Derry > Breast Cancer and Iodine: How to Prevent and How to Survive > Breast Cancer > <http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm > >http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm > > d. <http://www.optimox.com>www.optimox.com - Research by Dr. Guy > Abraham the founder of The Iodine Project e. > <http://www.iodine4health.com>www.iodine4health.com - The Iodine > Group's repository for Iodine research. > > 20. INDEX > > Adrenal fatigue, 6 > Antibodies, 5 > Atomidine iodine. See Detoxified iodine > ATP, 3, 5 > ATP CoFactors > as optional supporting nutrient, 2 > physiology, 5 > Autoimmune thyroid diseases > mechanism causing, 5 > treatment of, 6 > underlying cause, 4 > Breast cancer, 6 > Bromide testing > in combination with iodine loading test, 6 > ordering, 7, 8 > second testing, 6 > Bromides. See also Detoxification > and the iodine loading test, 6 > and weight gain, 4 > bombarding our systems, 2 > normal levels of, 6 > sources of, 3 > Calcium, weight gain and, 4 > Cancer > breast cancer, 6 > how much iodine to take, 2 > Celtic sea salt. See Salt, unrefined > Chelation, mercury amalgam fillings and, 4 > Children, how much iodine to take, 2 > Chlorine, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2 > Companion nutrients. See Supporting nutrients required > Dental mercury amalgam fillings, 4 > Detoxification > forms of iodine not producing, 1 > length of time expected for, 3 > symptoms of, salt loading protocol to alleviate, 3 > Detoxified iodine > amount of iodine in, 1 > for children under 3 years, 2 > Doctors Data (laboratory), 8 > Ferritin levels dropping, 4 > FFP Labs, 8 > Flame retardants, as source of bromides, 3 > Fluoride, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2 > Food > as source of bromides, 3 > taking supplements with, 3 > Forms of iodine, 1 > Free T3, and rise in TSH, 6 > Free T4, and rise in TSH, 6 > Graves' disease > antibodies and, 5 > treatment of, 6 > underlying cause of, 5 > Hakala Research (laboratory), 7 > Halides. See also Bromides; Detoxification > list of types of, 2 > Hashimoto's disease, 4 > cause underlying, 4 > mechanism causing, 5 > treatment of, 6 > How much iodine to take > cancer, 2 > children, 2 > maintenance, 2 > with false saturation results, 6 > Iodinated lipids, 5 > Iodine > dosage. See How much iodine to take > forms of, 1 > saturation with. See Saturation with iodine > testing. See Iodine Loading Test > when to take, 3 > Iodine Loading Test > and bromides, effect on results of, 6 > ordered with Bromide Levels Test, 7 > ordering, 7, 8 > second testing, time for, 6 > Iodine Spot Test, 7, 8 > Iodoral > amount of iodine per tablet, 1 > how much to take, 2 > where to buy, 3 > Iosol, 1 > Length of time to take iodine, 3 > Lugol's liquid iodine > amount of iodine per drop, 1 > how much to take, 2 > Magnascent iodine. See Detoxified iodine > > Magnesium > as supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2 > weight gain and, 4 > Mercury > amalgam fillings in teeth, 4 > bombarding our systems, 2 > Nascent iodine. See Detoxified iodine > Niacin > as optional, 3 > in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6 > no-flush, amount to take, 7 > physiology and, 5 > Oxidation/organification of iodine > ATP CoFactors to treat, 7 > physiology, 4 > test to check function of, 7 > Patch test on skin, 4 > Phosphorylation, 5 > Prolamine (Standard Process), 1 > Resources > cancer and iodine, 2 > Dr. Brownstein books, 9 > Dr. Derry article, 9 > Dr. Guy Abraham articles (Optimox site), 9 > Iodine Group's iodine research site, 9 > skin patch test, 4 > where to buy Iodoral, 3 > www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6 > Riboflavin > amount to take, 7 > as optional, 3 > in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6 > physiology and, 5 > Salt loading protocol, 3 > Salt, unrefined > adrenal fatigue and, 6 > as supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2 > function in body, 2, 3 > in salt loading protocol, 3 > Saturation with iodine > and false readings, 6 > Detoxified iodine not providing, 1 > Selenium > and cancer, 2 > as supporting nutrient, 2 > Skin patch test, 4 > Supporting nutrients required > amounts and functions, 2 > when to take, 3 > Symporter defects > and false high reading in saturation levels, 7 > test for, 7 > Vitamin C in treatment of, 7 > T3, free. 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Guest guest Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 There are yeasts that are important probiotics in our gut. I'm not saying there aren't issues with yeast, of course there are, but to say all yeast is bad is simply not true. -- On 31 Aug 2011 at 17:28, Nonie Masterson wrote: > > > > I wouldn't touch yeast with a ten foot pole. Yeast is a cause of > cancer. Not to mention overgrowth of candida. Not my idea of healthy > at all. JMO. > > Nonie > > > iodine > From: renee-butts@... > Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 16:15:14 -0500 > Subject: Speaking of Selenium > > > > My doc said to stop taking Brazil Nuts that they are too hard on the > liver (or kidney)--- And to just take yeast based Selenium tablets--- > I know a lot of you are very knowledgeable---do you have an opinion on > that? I would rather take the nuts, but---can do either--- Thank > you--- > > > > From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On > Behalf Of Hill Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 1:07 PM > iodine Subject: Re: For Bek New > Member Doc copied into Email body > > > > > I read all of this in the files yes. > > I never saw as i said anywhere where it states how much to start on, > how to increase at what dose. I am very concerned thatthis will make > me ill, and feel even worse. > > But i started on 27 mgs. > > I did see to max out at 50 mgs. So i will ramp up i guess to 50 mgs. > > And thanks for all your work and thanks to too. Many thanks. > > I am taking the C, mag, and ameating several Brazil nuts daily to give > me the selenium. I think the nuts are enough selenium. I hope. > > If you don't think so, will you plz let me know. I will then get some > selenium. > > Thanks again. > > > > > > Bek > > > > > > > From: Kathleen Blake <kathleenblake@...> > Subject: For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email body > iodine > Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 10:45 PM > > Bek, this is for you incase you can't find this in the Files. > was kind enough to put this in an email form for us. Best, Kathleen > > > > > For any members who cannot d/l or access the Files on the website: > Below is appended the New Member Document. This contains all the > info you need to get started. Please read, and then ask questions > that remain. Thank you > > Iodine information to get you started > Commonly Asked Questions. > > 1.. Forms of Iodine > 2. How much Iodine do I need to take? > 3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine. > 4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to space > them apart? > 5. How long should I take Iodine? > 6. Where can I buy Iodoral? > 7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol? > 8. What are the sources of Bromide? > 9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so I > must be very deficient. > 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine. > 11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine. > 12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercury > amalgam fillings? > 13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine? > IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCY > A Proposed Mechanism for the Development of Autoimmune Thyroid > Disorders What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid > Illness How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders 14. My TSH went > up on Iodine. 15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine? 16. I > have breast cancer and would like to learn more about using > Iodine. 17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test. 18. Ordering > an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels. 19. Recommended > Reading. > > 1. Forms of Iodine > > a. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified or Atomidine) Based on > Edgar Cayce's " energized " iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1% > concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electro-magnetically > transmuted (while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild > acid solution) into the Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 mcg or .150 mg > of Iodine. This form will not saturate body tissues and has not > been proven to detox halides such as bromide, fluoride, chloride, > and mercury, as other forms have. b. Iosol 1830 mcg / drop of > Iodine only c. Prolamine (Standard Process) 3 mgs Iodine only > d. Lugol's liquid Iodine / Potassium Iodide 2% and 5% > solutions. 5% solution is 6.25 mgs / drop. e. Iodoral Lugol's > formula in pill form Iodine / Potassium Iodide - 12.5 mgs & 50 > mgs > > 2. How much Iodine do I need to take? > > There are no amounts that can be given as a blanket > recommendation. Everyone needs different amounts based on their > body's ability to utilize the nutrients as well as the level of > toxic halide exposure they have each day. If you are dealing with > a severe health condition then your dosages would need to be > higher than those trying to maintain good health. a. Maintenance > It was once believed that a good maintenance dose is 25 mgs per > day. But with more information being gained about the exposures to > halides bombarding our systems (bromides, fluorides, chlorine) as > well as mercury, etc., maintenance of health may require higher > doses of iodine. The iodine doctors are now beginning to believe > that 50 mgs may be the minimum required dose. b. Cancer Cancer > is a result of mutated cells. Iodine is absolutely critical for > something called P53 gene which is known as the " keeper of the > genetic code " . Without iodine and selenium it will not function to > eliminate abnormal cells from the body such as cancer. Cancer > patients have taken anywhere from 50 300 mgs / day > successfully. Here is a good article on how P53 works with the > mdm2 in cancer > <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm > >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm > > For information on the P53 and Iodine see the Minerals for the > Genetic Code book. c. Children These are the levels that I gave > my children at the various ages. This is not meant to be a > recommendation but a guideline for what was safe for my (Dr. > Buist) children and others I have been in contact with. i. Up to 3 > years 3 drops of Detoxified Iodine > (<http://www.iodinesource.com>www.iodinesource.com) per day or > take 1 drop of 5% Lugol's solution in water and then take ½ of > the water and give it to the child. This results in 3.125 mgs / > dose. ii. 3yrs to 5 yrs 6.25 mgs of Iodoral or 1 drop 5% Lugols > Solution(6.25 mgs) iii. 5 yrs to 9 yrs 12.5 mgs of Iodoral or 2 > drops 5% Lugols Solution (12.5 mgs) iv. 9 yrs to 16 yrs 25 mgs > of Iodoral or 4 drops 5% Lugols Solution (25 mgs) v. 16 yrs and up > will depend on health issues, weight, etc and cannot be given > in generalities. Dosages range from 12.5 mgs to 300 mgs. > > 3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine. > > These are required to support the body while supplementing with > iodine: a.. Vit C 2,000 5,000 mgs / day supports the > symporters and assists as an antioxidant to detoxing. b. Selenium > 200 400 mcg / day needed for detoxification and thyroid > hormone creation. c. Unrefined salt (Celtic) ½ tsp / day > supports adrenals, binds to bromide and assists in removal, > supports symporters (sodium iodine symporters or NIS) d. Magnesium > 400 mgs / day critical for over 300 enzyme reactions in the > body. e. Optional ATP CoFactors -1 tablet 2x / day when > individuals continue to feel fatigued or have autoimmune thyroid > disease this product can assist in increasing ATP (energy) within > the cells. Riboflavin and no-flush niacin. > > 4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to space > them apart? > > a. Iodine should be taken with food. This seems to enhance > absorption as well as protecting sensitive stomachs from a > potential upset. b. The supporting nutrients can be taken with > iodine and with food. There is no spacing or timing required. c. > Iodine should be taken earlier in the day (before 2 pm) because > for some it increases energy so much that they are unable to > sleep. > > 5. How long should I take Iodine? > > Dr. Abraham has states that it should take 6 months of 50 mgs to > reach 90% saturation. However, as testing has become more widely > available, it seems to be taking individuals years to detox > halides and allow the iodine to enter the cells. Consequently, > there is no set time that a person can expect to supplement and > reach saturation levels. > > 6. Where can I buy Iodoral? > > These are a few sources that have been found to be a good option. > a. www.breastcancerchoices.org - ships internationally / free > shipping with larger orders b. www.illnessisoptional.com - ships > internationally c. www.vrp.com - ships internationally d. > www.amazon.com e. You can check Froogle (google shopping tool) to > find the current costs of various suppliers > http://tinyurl.com/49zvmrl > > 7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol? > > Perform the salt loading protocol when you are experiencing > detoxification symptoms with iodine supplementation. **Note that > you should not need to do this for more than 3 days. If you do > then you need to reduce your dosing of iodine. > > 1/2 tsp celtic (or other unrefined) salt in 1/2 cup of warm water > Follow the above with a glass of 12 oz filtered water. ** Repeat > every 30-45 minutes as needed until urination begins. > > Why does this help? > Salt - containing chloride - binds to the bromide in the blood > stream and carries it out through the kidneys. > > 8. What are the sources of Bromide? > > Over and over people come to the Iodine group claiming that they > can't possibly be toxic in bromide because they are gluten free, > eat a clean diet, etc. Guess what? It isn't diet related in most > cases. Bromide is a flame retardant that is used in and on many > items around you. These include carpeting, furniture, mattresses, > clothing, computers, iPhones, and automobiles just to name a > few. Food sources can include items like baked goods that contain > brominated flour or vegetable oil as well as soft drinks like > Mountain Dew and other citrus based sodas. It can also be found in > some Gatorade products. For many years it was used in the form of > Methyl Bromide as a pesticide on strawberries. > > 9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so > I must be very deficient. > > Not necessarily. The patch test isn't very scientific and many > factors go into why it disappears. Read the following article by > Dr. Abraham for more information > <http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm> > http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm > > 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine. > > This has been happening to people taking 50 mgs or more of > Iodoral. It has been rectified by adding a B6 Complex along > with an iron supplement to help restore ferritin to normal levels. > It is thought to occur due to an increase in metabolic rate that > requires more iron. Sufficient ferritin levels (60-70) are needed > to create and utilize thyroid hormones. > > 11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine. > > Unfortunately this can occur in those that are very toxic in > halides like bromide. If your detoxification pathways are not able > to eliminate the toxins being released by iodine then your body > will buffer them with water and fat. It may be due, in part, to > lowered calcium levels as well as magnesium, vit D, and B > Vitamins. All work to maintain balance in the cells and eliminate > toxins. > > 12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercury > amalgam fillings? > > While iodine does seem to pull out mercury from the cells / > tissues of the body, there has been no indication that it is > dangerous to take iodine while amalgams remain in the body. If > there is concern, supplements like cilantro, chlorella and others > can be used to help bind and carry the mercury out of the body. > Consulting with a good holistic / biological dentist as well as an > alternative medicine doctor can help to assess your toxicity level > and assist you in safe removal of amalgams and chelation.. > > 13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine? > > Yes, Dr. Brownstein believes that low iodine is one the key causes > in autoimmune thyroid disease. The following is an excerpt from > Dr. Brownstein's Iodine book. > > THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE > DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCY > > Chapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of > the iodinated form of lactone ( - Iodolactone). - Iodolactone is > not only important for preventing cancer, its production is also > necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3 > illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification > of iodine. As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to > iodine occurs through the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a > necessary product in order to provide the correct molecule in the > cell so that organification can occur. If organification does not > take place or is blocked, thyroid hormone and iodo-lipids will not > be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3, this reaction is > controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinated lipids > -iodolactone. Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On > the other hand, -iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a > brake on the system. If there is not enough iodine in the cell to > organify and produce adequate amounts of -iodolactone, it can set > the stage for damage to the thyroid cell and the development of an > autoimmune thyroid disorder such as Hashimoto's or Graves' > disease. > > A Proposed Mechanism for the Development of > Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders > > The NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our > cells. The mitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our > body. The mitochondria produce energy (i.e., ATP) through a > complex process called oxidative phosphorylation. All medical > students (and most physicians) are familiar with oxidative > phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many steps > responsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires > many items including: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids. > Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic > fatigue syndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no > energy. ATP is the molecule that stores energy for the body. The > body is constantly producing and utilizing ATP. Its production is > a complex process that is beyond this book. However, there are two > cofactors, Vitamins B2 (riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are > integral to stimulating oxidative phosphorylation and ATP > production. Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative > phosphorylation. It is this production of hydrogen peroxide that > is so critical to the oxidation process of iodine. Hydrogen > peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide to form iodine. If there > is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDA > for iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to > produce iodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack > of -iodolactone and other iodinated lipids results in a loss of > the 'brake' in the pathway to oxidize iodide. This may result in a > temporarily production of too much hydrogen peroxide. This excess > hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO. > > What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid Illness > > The body's response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against > TPO or anti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto's disease > requires the presence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage > worsens, surrounding proteins can also be damaged such as > thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulin will result in the body > producing antibodies against thyroglobulinanti-thyroglobulin > antibodies. In most cases of Hashimoto's disease, there are > antibodies to both TPO and thyroglobulin present. Although Graves' > disease may also possess these same antibodies, antibody > production is not necessary to make the diagnosis of Graves' > disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that the > treatment for both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease can follow a > similar course with similar positive outcomes. > > How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders > > 1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate to > iodinate lipids. 2. Take Vitamins B2 (Riboflavin) and B3 (Niacin) > in amounts necessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce > adequate amounts of H2O2. 3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid > gland and the mitochondria with antioxidants. 4. Ensure adequate > magnesium levels. 5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body. > > 14. My TSH went up on Iodine. > > This is a common occurrence when a person starts to take iodine > after being deficient. The body increases TSH to stimulate > production of thyroglobulin which is used to bind to the iodine in > thyroid hormone production. Individuals can have TSH levels as > high as 75 for up to 6 months without clinical signs of > hypothyroidism. The best values to check with labs if there is a > concern are the Free T3 and Free T4. You will find in most cases > that the " frees " are nicely within the ranges. > > 15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine? > > Yes, Iodine is used by every gland and mucosal lining and is > needed to heal the adrenals. You should also use unrefined salt to > support them as well as Vitamin C. Other products such as > ashwaganda, licorice root, adrenal glandulars and in severe > conditions a doctor can prescribe hydrocortisone to replace the > body's deficiency. > > 16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more about > using Iodine. > > The best resource for breast cancer is > <http://www.breastcancerchoices.org>www.breastcancerchoices.org > which is a non-profit organization run by Lynne Farrow who is a > breast cancer survivor. They are dedicated to the grass roots > research into iodine's effectiveness as treatment. > > 17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test. > > As the years have gone by members of the group have been testing > relatively high in their saturation levels with the Iodine loading > tests. This is usually met with jubilation that they are at a good > level. But wait! This isn't a place to stop. A bromide level test > has become available and can be added to the loading test. This is > highly recommended because it gives a clearer picture of what the > TRUE status of the saturation level is. As a general rule if you > see a higher saturation level (80% or above) with a bromide level > over 10 mgs/L (the upper limit of normal per Dr. Guy Abraham) you > are bromide toxic and the receptors that would normally be able to > pull iodine into the cells cannot because bromide is blocking the > receptors. This will result in a high level of iodine being > eliminated in the urine indicating (falsely) that you are more > saturated than you are. Persons with results such as these should > consider supplementing with Lugol's or Iodoral in doses of 50 mgs > or more for 6 mos to 1 year and then retest Iodine Loading and > Bromide levels to see what the new status is. Dr. Abraham has > stated that this amount of time is needed to make significant > progress in detoxing and to build saturation in the cells. After > supplementing for 6 mos to 1 year, the trend has been to see > saturation levels go down while bromide elimination levels > increase. > > Another reason for a false high reading in saturation levels is > due to defects in the symporters of the cells. Dr. Abraham > addresses this on his website at > <http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm>http://www.o > ptimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm > > which suggests the usage of Vitamin C to heal symporters. > > 18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels. > > It is recommended that you order both the 24 hour loading and > bromide level test. We recommend this because you may obtain a > high saturation level and believe that your levels are fine when > in fact bromide toxicity will block the iodine receptors not > allowing iodine to enter the cell which results in an elimination > of iodine when it is needed / deficient thus skewing the test > results. > > The following list is a compilation of resources for obtaining the > Iodine loading test. Hakala Research 885 Parfet Street Unit E > Lakewood, CO 80215 877.238.1779 > > *** It is not recommended that you do the spot test as this is > only an indicator of how much iodine is in the diet and offers no > real value to the body saturation. The two asterisk items are the > recommended tests. > > ** Iodine Loading Kit Only $70 > Iodine Spot Level Kit Only $70 > Iodine Spot and Loading Kit $95 > ** Bromide Level Testing (must be combined with one of the above > kits) $35 > > Test prices do not include return shipping. > > They now also offer iodine serum/saliva testing to check for > Organification / Oxidation issues as well as symporter defects. > The test is available two ways: > > 1. 24 hour Iodine loading test plus the serum saliva ratio cost: > $155.00. 2. Serum saliva ratio without the urine test cost: > $110.00. > > The serum/saliva ratio gives the degree of usage of iodine within > the cell, if the ratio is below normal this signifies a symporter > defect (NIS) while a higher than normal ratio points to an > organification problem. > > According to Dr. Abrahams articles the symporter can be repaired > using 3 gm of slow release Vitamin C per day, the organification > issue responds to ATP CoFactors (Riboflavin 100mg + NoFlush Niacin > 500mg) twice daily. > > ================================================================== > =========== > > FFP Labs > Dr. Jorg Flechas MD > 80 Doctors Drive Ste 3 > ville, NC 28792 > (1-877-900-5556) > > The cost of this test is $80. > If it is not ordered by a physician you must tell them you are > ordering it on your own and they will assign you to a nurse > practitioner. When you get the results of this test you can > receive a free consultation with Dr. Flechas. > > You may also obtain a urine spot test for an additional $30 for a > total of $110 for both tests. > > Spot / Loading / Bromide test can be obtained for $230 > > ================================================================== > =========== > > Vitamin Research Products > > ** As of the last time this test was reviewed no bromide testing > is available. > > <http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137>http://www.vrp.co > m/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137 > > $100 for both the spot and loading test. > Kit requires an ordering physician. > > ================================================================== > =========== Doctors Data ** This lab does not seem to report in > the manner that is described in Dr. Abraham's research so it is > difficult to determine true saturation and bromide levels. > > Pre and post loading - requires an ordering physician. > <http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118>http://www.doctor > sdata.com/test_info..asp?id=118 > > ================================================================== > ================== ZRT Laboratories This is a new test that is not > performed in the manner outlined by Dr. Abraham, Dr Brownstein or > Dr. Flechas which has been used effectively since the 1990's. It > has not been proven to correlate with the health conditions of > those with iodine deficiency and does not offer a bromide level > test which is critical in determining how accurate the saturation > level is. At this point the Iodine group does not recommend this > test. > > 19. Recommended Reading. > > Many of the questions asked over and over are covered in these > reference materials. Please familiarize yourself with them to help > with limiting the repetition of information on the group.. a. Dr > Brownstein Iodine Why You Need It, Why You Can't Live > Without it <http://www.drbrownstein.com>www.drbrownstein.com b. > Dr. Brownstein Salt Your Way To Health c. Dr. Derry > Breast Cancer and Iodine: How to Prevent and How to Survive > Breast Cancer > <http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm > >http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm > > d. <http://www.optimox.com>www.optimox.com - Research by Dr. Guy > Abraham the founder of The Iodine Project e. > <http://www.iodine4health.com >www.iodine4health.com - The Iodine > Group's repository for Iodine research. > > 20. INDEX > > Adrenal fatigue, 6 > Antibodies, 5 > Atomidine iodine. See Detoxified iodine > ATP, 3, 5 > ATP CoFactors > as optional supporting nutrient, 2 > physiology, 5 > Autoimmune thyroid diseases > mechanism causing, 5 > treatment of, 6 > underlying cause, 4 > Breast cancer, 6 > Bromide testing > in combination with iodine loading test, 6 > ordering, 7, 8 > second testing, 6 > Bromides. See also Detoxification > and the iodine loading test, 6 > and weight gain, 4 > bombarding our systems, 2 > normal levels of, 6 > sources of, 3 > Calcium, weight gain and, 4 > Cancer > breast cancer, 6 > how much iodine to take, 2 > Celtic sea salt. See Salt, unrefined > Chelation, mercury amalgam fillings and, 4 > Children, how much iodine to take, 2 > Chlorine, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2 > Companion nutrients. See Supporting nutrients required > Dental mercury amalgam fillings, 4 > Detoxification > forms of iodine not producing, 1 > length of time expected for, 3 > symptoms of, salt loading protocol to alleviate, 3 > Detoxified iodine > amount of iodine in, 1 > for children under 3 years, 2 > Doctors Data (laboratory), 8 > Ferritin levels dropping, 4 > FFP Labs, 8 > Flame retardants, as source of bromides, 3 > Fluoride, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2 > Food > as source of bromides, 3 > taking supplements with, 3 > Forms of iodine, 1 > Free T3, and rise in TSH, 6 > Free T4, and rise in TSH, 6 > Graves' disease > antibodies and, 5 > treatment of, 6 > underlying cause of, 5 > Hakala Research (laboratory), 7 > Halides. See also Bromides; Detoxification > list of types of, 2 > Hashimoto's disease, 4 > cause underlying, 4 > mechanism causing, 5 > treatment of, 6 > How much iodine to take > cancer, 2 > children, 2 > maintenance, 2 > with false saturation results, 6 > Iodinated lipids, 5 > Iodine > dosage. See How much iodine to take > forms of, 1 > saturation with. See Saturation with iodine > testing. See Iodine Loading Test > when to take, 3 > Iodine Loading Test > and bromides, effect on results of, 6 > ordered with Bromide Levels Test, 7 > ordering, 7, 8 > second testing, time for, 6 > Iodine Spot Test, 7, 8 > Iodoral > amount of iodine per tablet, 1 > how much to take, 2 > where to buy, 3 > Iosol, 1 > Length of time to take iodine, 3 > Lugol's liquid iodine > amount of iodine per drop, 1 > how much to take, 2 > Magnascent iodine. See Detoxified iodine > > Magnesium > as supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2 > weight gain and, 4 > Mercury > amalgam fillings in teeth, 4 > bombarding our systems, 2 > Nascent iodine. See Detoxified iodine > Niacin > as optional, 3 > in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6 > no-flush, amount to take, 7 > physiology and, 5 > Oxidation/organification of iodine > ATP CoFactors to treat, 7 > physiology, 4 > test to check function of, 7 > Patch test on skin, 4 > Phosphorylation, 5 > Prolamine (Standard Process), 1 > Resources > cancer and iodine, 2 > Dr. Brownstein books, 9 > Dr. Derry article, 9 > Dr. Guy Abraham articles (Optimox site), 9 > Iodine Group's iodine research site, 9 > skin patch test, 4 > where to buy Iodoral, 3 > www.breastcancerchoices.org, 6 > Riboflavin > amount to take, 7 > as optional, 3 > in treatment of autoimmune thyroid diseases, 6 > physiology and, 5 > Salt loading protocol, 3 > Salt, unrefined > adrenal fatigue and, 6 > as supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2 > function in body, 2, 3 > in salt loading protocol, 3 > Saturation with iodine > and false readings, 6 > Detoxified iodine not providing, 1 > Selenium > and cancer, 2 > as supporting nutrient, 2 > Skin patch test, 4 > Supporting nutrients required > amounts and functions, 2 > when to take, 3 > Symporter defects > and false high reading in saturation levels, 7 > test for, 7 > Vitamin C in treatment of, 7 > T3, free. 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Guest guest Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 I thought it was odd too, but he is an MD who also practices now in Mexico because of his cancer protocol, but he runs a hospital down there and practiced here in the states for many years---so I just don’t know From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of BakerSent: Friday, September 02, 2011 2:55 PMiodine Subject: Re: Speaking of Selenium There are yeasts that are important probiotics in our gut. I'm not saying there aren't issues with yeast, of course there are, but to say all yeast is bad is simply not true.--On 31 Aug 2011 at 17:28, Nonie Masterson wrote:> > > > I wouldn't touch yeast with a ten foot pole. Yeast is a cause of> cancer. Not to mention overgrowth of candida. Not my idea of healthy> at all. JMO.> > Nonie> > > iodine > From: renee-butts@...> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 16:15:14 -0500> Subject: Speaking of Selenium> > > > My doc said to stop taking Brazil Nuts that they are too hard on the> liver (or kidney)--- And to just take yeast based Selenium tablets---> I know a lot of you are very knowledgeable---do you have an opinion on> that? I would rather take the nuts, but---can do either--- Thank> you---> > > > From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On> Behalf Of Hill Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 1:07 PM> iodine Subject: Re: For Bek New> Member Doc copied into Email body> > > > > I read all of this in the files yes.> > I never saw as i said anywhere where it states how much to start on,> how to increase at what dose. I am very concerned thatthis will make> me ill, and feel even worse.> > But i started on 27 mgs. > > I did see to max out at 50 mgs. So i will ramp up i guess to 50 mgs.> > And thanks for all your work and thanks to too. Many thanks.> > I am taking the C, mag, and ameating several Brazil nuts daily to give> me the selenium. I think the nuts are enough selenium. I hope.> > If you don't think so, will you plz let me know. I will then get some> selenium.> > Thanks again.> > > > > > Bek> > > > > > > From: Kathleen Blake <kathleenblake@...>> Subject: For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email body> iodine > Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 10:45 PM> > Bek, this is for you incase you can't find this in the Files. > was kind enough to put this in an email form for us. Best, Kathleen> > > > > For any members who cannot d/l or access the Files on the website:> Below is appended the New Member Document. This contains all the> info you need to get started. Please read, and then ask questions> that remain. Thank you > > Iodine information to get you started > Commonly Asked Questions.> > 1.. Forms of Iodine> 2. How much Iodine do I need to take?> 3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.> 4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to space> them apart?> 5. How long should I take Iodine?> 6. Where can I buy Iodoral?> 7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?> 8. What are the sources of Bromide?> 9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so I> must be very deficient.> 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.> 11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.> 12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercury> amalgam fillings?> 13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?> IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCY> A Proposed Mechanism for the Development of Autoimmune Thyroid> Disorders What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid> Illness How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders 14. My TSH went> up on Iodine. 15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine? 16. I> have breast cancer and would like to learn more about using> Iodine. 17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test. 18. Ordering> an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels. 19. Recommended> Reading.> > 1. Forms of Iodine> > a. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified or Atomidine) Based on> Edgar Cayce's " energized " iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1%> concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electro-magnetically> transmuted (while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild> acid solution) into the Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 mcg or .150 mg> of Iodine. This form will not saturate body tissues and has not> been proven to detox halides such as bromide, fluoride, chloride,> and mercury, as other forms have. b. Iosol 1830 mcg / drop of> Iodine only c. Prolamine (Standard Process) 3 mgs Iodine only> d. Lugol's liquid Iodine / Potassium Iodide 2% and 5%> solutions. 5% solution is 6.25 mgs / drop. e. Iodoral Lugol's> formula in pill form Iodine / Potassium Iodide - 12.5 mgs & 50> mgs> > 2. How much Iodine do I need to take?> > There are no amounts that can be given as a blanket> recommendation. Everyone needs different amounts based on their> body's ability to utilize the nutrients as well as the level of> toxic halide exposure they have each day. If you are dealing with> a severe health condition then your dosages would need to be> higher than those trying to maintain good health. a. Maintenance> It was once believed that a good maintenance dose is 25 mgs per> day. But with more information being gained about the exposures to> halides bombarding our systems (bromides, fluorides, chlorine) as> well as mercury, etc., maintenance of health may require higher> doses of iodine. The iodine doctors are now beginning to believe> that 50 mgs may be the minimum required dose. b. Cancer Cancer> is a result of mutated cells. Iodine is absolutely critical for> something called P53 gene which is known as the " keeper of the> genetic code " . Without iodine and selenium it will not function to> eliminate abnormal cells from the body such as cancer. Cancer> patients have taken anywhere from 50 300 mgs / day> successfully. Here is a good article on how P53 works with the> mdm2 in cancer> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm> >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm > > For information on the P53 and Iodine see the Minerals for the> Genetic Code book. c. Children These are the levels that I gave> my children at the various ages. This is not meant to be a> recommendation but a guideline for what was safe for my (Dr.> Buist) children and others I have been in contact with. i. Up to 3> years 3 drops of Detoxified Iodine> (<http://www.iodinesource.com>www.iodinesource.com) per day or> take 1 drop of 5% Lugol's solution in water and then take ½ of> the water and give it to the child. This results in 3.125 mgs /> dose. ii. 3yrs to 5 yrs 6.25 mgs of Iodoral or 1 drop 5% Lugols> Solution(6.25 mgs) iii. 5 yrs to 9 yrs 12.5 mgs of Iodoral or 2> drops 5% Lugols Solution (12.5 mgs) iv. 9 yrs to 16 yrs 25 mgs> of Iodoral or 4 drops 5% Lugols Solution (25 mgs) v. 16 yrs and up> will depend on health issues, weight, etc and cannot be given> in generalities. Dosages range from 12.5 mgs to 300 mgs.> > 3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine.> > These are required to support the body while supplementing with> iodine: a.. Vit C 2,000 5,000 mgs / day supports the> symporters and assists as an antioxidant to detoxing. b. Selenium> 200 400 mcg / day needed for detoxification and thyroid> hormone creation. c. Unrefined salt (Celtic) ½ tsp / day > supports adrenals, binds to bromide and assists in removal,> supports symporters (sodium iodine symporters or NIS) d. Magnesium> 400 mgs / day critical for over 300 enzyme reactions in the> body. e. Optional ATP CoFactors -1 tablet 2x / day when> individuals continue to feel fatigued or have autoimmune thyroid> disease this product can assist in increasing ATP (energy) within> the cells. Riboflavin and no-flush niacin.> > 4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to space> them apart?> > a. Iodine should be taken with food. This seems to enhance> absorption as well as protecting sensitive stomachs from a> potential upset. b. The supporting nutrients can be taken with> iodine and with food. There is no spacing or timing required. c.> Iodine should be taken earlier in the day (before 2 pm) because> for some it increases energy so much that they are unable to> sleep.> > 5. How long should I take Iodine?> > Dr. Abraham has states that it should take 6 months of 50 mgs to> reach 90% saturation. However, as testing has become more widely> available, it seems to be taking individuals years to detox> halides and allow the iodine to enter the cells. Consequently,> there is no set time that a person can expect to supplement and> reach saturation levels.> > 6. Where can I buy Iodoral?> > These are a few sources that have been found to be a good option.> a. www.breastcancerchoices.org - ships internationally / free> shipping with larger orders b. www.illnessisoptional.com - ships> internationally c. www.vrp.com - ships internationally d.> www.amazon.com e. You can check Froogle (google shopping tool) to> find the current costs of various suppliers> http://tinyurl.com/49zvmrl > > 7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol?> > Perform the salt loading protocol when you are experiencing> detoxification symptoms with iodine supplementation. **Note that> you should not need to do this for more than 3 days. If you do> then you need to reduce your dosing of iodine.> > 1/2 tsp celtic (or other unrefined) salt in 1/2 cup of warm water> Follow the above with a glass of 12 oz filtered water. ** Repeat> every 30-45 minutes as needed until urination begins.> > Why does this help?> Salt - containing chloride - binds to the bromide in the blood> stream and carries it out through the kidneys.> > 8. What are the sources of Bromide?> > Over and over people come to the Iodine group claiming that they> can't possibly be toxic in bromide because they are gluten free,> eat a clean diet, etc. Guess what? It isn't diet related in most> cases. Bromide is a flame retardant that is used in and on many> items around you. These include carpeting, furniture, mattresses,> clothing, computers, iPhones, and automobiles just to name a> few. Food sources can include items like baked goods that contain> brominated flour or vegetable oil as well as soft drinks like> Mountain Dew and other citrus based sodas. It can also be found in> some Gatorade products. For many years it was used in the form of> Methyl Bromide as a pesticide on strawberries.> > 9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so> I must be very deficient.> > Not necessarily. The patch test isn't very scientific and many> factors go into why it disappears. Read the following article by> Dr. Abraham for more information> <http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm>> http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm > > 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine.> > This has been happening to people taking 50 mgs or more of> Iodoral. It has been rectified by adding a B6 Complex along> with an iron supplement to help restore ferritin to normal levels.> It is thought to occur due to an increase in metabolic rate that> requires more iron. Sufficient ferritin levels (60-70) are needed> to create and utilize thyroid hormones.> > 11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine.> > Unfortunately this can occur in those that are very toxic in> halides like bromide. If your detoxification pathways are not able> to eliminate the toxins being released by iodine then your body> will buffer them with water and fat. It may be due, in part, to> lowered calcium levels as well as magnesium, vit D, and B> Vitamins. All work to maintain balance in the cells and eliminate> toxins.> > 12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercury> amalgam fillings?> > While iodine does seem to pull out mercury from the cells /> tissues of the body, there has been no indication that it is> dangerous to take iodine while amalgams remain in the body. If> there is concern, supplements like cilantro, chlorella and others> can be used to help bind and carry the mercury out of the body.> Consulting with a good holistic / biological dentist as well as an> alternative medicine doctor can help to assess your toxicity level> and assist you in safe removal of amalgams and chelation..> > 13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine?> > Yes, Dr. Brownstein believes that low iodine is one the key causes> in autoimmune thyroid disease. The following is an excerpt from> Dr. Brownstein's Iodine book.> > THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE> DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCY> > Chapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of> the iodinated form of lactone ( - Iodolactone). - Iodolactone is> not only important for preventing cancer, its production is also> necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3> illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification> of iodine. As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to> iodine occurs through the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a> necessary product in order to provide the correct molecule in the> cell so that organification can occur. If organification does not> take place or is blocked, thyroid hormone and iodo-lipids will not> be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3, this reaction is> controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinated lipids> -iodolactone. Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On> the other hand, -iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a> brake on the system. If there is not enough iodine in the cell to> organify and produce adequate amounts of -iodolactone, it can set> the stage for damage to the thyroid cell and the development of an> autoimmune thyroid disorder such as Hashimoto's or Graves'> disease.> > A Proposed Mechanism for the Development of> Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders> > The NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our> cells. The mitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our> body. The mitochondria produce energy (i.e., ATP) through a> complex process called oxidative phosphorylation. All medical> students (and most physicians) are familiar with oxidative> phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many steps> responsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires> many items including: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.> Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic> fatigue syndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no> energy. ATP is the molecule that stores energy for the body. The> body is constantly producing and utilizing ATP. Its production is> a complex process that is beyond this book. However, there are two> cofactors, Vitamins B2 (riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are> integral to stimulating oxidative phosphorylation and ATP> production. Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative> phosphorylation. It is this production of hydrogen peroxide that> is so critical to the oxidation process of iodine. Hydrogen> peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide to form iodine. If there> is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDA> for iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to> produce iodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack> of -iodolactone and other iodinated lipids results in a loss of> the 'brake' in the pathway to oxidize iodide. This may result in a> temporarily production of too much hydrogen peroxide. This excess> hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.> > What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid Illness> > The body's response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against> TPO or anti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto's disease> requires the presence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage> worsens, surrounding proteins can also be damaged such as> thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulin will result in the body> producing antibodies against thyroglobulinanti-thyroglobulin> antibodies. In most cases of Hashimoto's disease, there are> antibodies to both TPO and thyroglobulin present. Although Graves'> disease may also possess these same antibodies, antibody> production is not necessary to make the diagnosis of Graves'> disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that the> treatment for both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease can follow a> similar course with similar positive outcomes.> > How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders> > 1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate to> iodinate lipids. 2. Take Vitamins B2 (Riboflavin) and B3 (Niacin)> in amounts necessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce> adequate amounts of H2O2. 3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid> gland and the mitochondria with antioxidants. 4. Ensure adequate> magnesium levels. 5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body.> > 14. My TSH went up on Iodine.> > This is a common occurrence when a person starts to take iodine> after being deficient. The body increases TSH to stimulate> production of thyroglobulin which is used to bind to the iodine in> thyroid hormone production. Individuals can have TSH levels as> high as 75 for up to 6 months without clinical signs of> hypothyroidism. The best values to check with labs if there is a> concern are the Free T3 and Free T4. You will find in most cases> that the " frees " are nicely within the ranges.> > 15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine?> > Yes, Iodine is used by every gland and mucosal lining and is> needed to heal the adrenals. You should also use unrefined salt to> support them as well as Vitamin C. Other products such as> ashwaganda, licorice root, adrenal glandulars and in severe> conditions a doctor can prescribe hydrocortisone to replace the> body's deficiency.> > 16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more about> using Iodine.> > The best resource for breast cancer is> <http://www.breastcancerchoices.org>www.breastcancerchoices.org> which is a non-profit organization run by Lynne Farrow who is a> breast cancer survivor. They are dedicated to the grass roots> research into iodine's effectiveness as treatment.> > 17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test.> > As the years have gone by members of the group have been testing> relatively high in their saturation levels with the Iodine loading> tests. This is usually met with jubilation that they are at a good> level. But wait! This isn't a place to stop. A bromide level test> has become available and can be added to the loading test. This is> highly recommended because it gives a clearer picture of what the> TRUE status of the saturation level is. As a general rule if you> see a higher saturation level (80% or above) with a bromide level> over 10 mgs/L (the upper limit of normal per Dr. Guy Abraham) you> are bromide toxic and the receptors that would normally be able to> pull iodine into the cells cannot because bromide is blocking the> receptors. This will result in a high level of iodine being> eliminated in the urine indicating (falsely) that you are more> saturated than you are. Persons with results such as these should> consider supplementing with Lugol's or Iodoral in doses of 50 mgs> or more for 6 mos to 1 year and then retest Iodine Loading and> Bromide levels to see what the new status is. Dr. Abraham has> stated that this amount of time is needed to make significant> progress in detoxing and to build saturation in the cells. After> supplementing for 6 mos to 1 year, the trend has been to see> saturation levels go down while bromide elimination levels> increase.> > Another reason for a false high reading in saturation levels is> due to defects in the symporters of the cells. Dr. Abraham> addresses this on his website at> <http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm>http://www.o> ptimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm > > which suggests the usage of Vitamin C to heal symporters.> > 18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels.> > It is recommended that you order both the 24 hour loading and> bromide level test. We recommend this because you may obtain a> high saturation level and believe that your levels are fine when> in fact bromide toxicity will block the iodine receptors not> allowing iodine to enter the cell which results in an elimination> of iodine when it is needed / deficient thus skewing the test> results.> > The following list is a compilation of resources for obtaining the> Iodine loading test. Hakala Research 885 Parfet Street Unit E> Lakewood, CO 80215 877.238.1779> > *** It is not recommended that you do the spot test as this is> only an indicator of how much iodine is in the diet and offers no> real value to the body saturation. The two asterisk items are the> recommended tests.> > ** Iodine Loading Kit Only $70> Iodine Spot Level Kit Only $70> Iodine Spot and Loading Kit $95> ** Bromide Level Testing (must be combined with one of the above> kits) $35> > Test prices do not include return shipping.> > They now also offer iodine serum/saliva testing to check for> Organification / Oxidation issues as well as symporter defects.> The test is available two ways:> > 1. 24 hour Iodine loading test plus the serum saliva ratio cost:> $155.00. 2. Serum saliva ratio without the urine test cost:> $110.00.> > The serum/saliva ratio gives the degree of usage of iodine within> the cell, if the ratio is below normal this signifies a symporter> defect (NIS) while a higher than normal ratio points to an> organification problem.> > According to Dr. Abrahams articles the symporter can be repaired> using 3 gm of slow release Vitamin C per day, the organification> issue responds to ATP CoFactors (Riboflavin 100mg + NoFlush Niacin> 500mg) twice daily.> > ==================================================================> ===========> > FFP Labs> Dr. Jorg Flechas MD> 80 Doctors Drive Ste 3> ville, NC 28792> (1-877-900-5556)> > The cost of this test is $80.> If it is not ordered by a physician you must tell them you are> ordering it on your own and they will assign you to a nurse> practitioner. When you get the results of this test you can> receive a free consultation with Dr. Flechas.> > You may also obtain a urine spot test for an additional $30 for a> total of $110 for both tests.> > Spot / Loading / Bromide test can be obtained for $230> > ==================================================================> ===========> > Vitamin Research Products> > ** As of the last time this test was reviewed no bromide testing> is available.> > <http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137>http://www.vrp.co> m/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137 > > $100 for both the spot and loading test.> Kit requires an ordering physician.> > ==================================================================> =========== Doctors Data ** This lab does not seem to report in> the manner that is described in Dr. Abraham's research so it is> difficult to determine true saturation and bromide levels.> > Pre and post loading - requires an ordering physician.> <http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118>http://www.doctor> sdata.com/test_info..asp?id=118 > > ==================================================================> ================== ZRT Laboratories This is a new test that is not> performed in the manner outlined by Dr. Abraham, Dr Brownstein or> Dr. Flechas which has been used effectively since the 1990's. It> has not been proven to correlate with the health conditions of> those with iodine deficiency and does not offer a bromide level> test which is critical in determining how accurate the saturation> level is. At this point the Iodine group does not recommend this> test.> > 19. Recommended Reading.> > Many of the questions asked over and over are covered in these> reference materials. Please familiarize yourself with them to help> with limiting the repetition of information on the group.. a. Dr> Brownstein Iodine Why You Need It, Why You Can't Live> Without it <http://www.drbrownstein.com>www.drbrownstein.com b.> Dr. Brownstein Salt Your Way To Health c. Dr. Derry> Breast Cancer and Iodine: How to Prevent and How to Survive> Breast Cancer> <http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm> >http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm > > d. <http://www.optimox.com>www.optimox.com - Research by Dr. Guy> Abraham the founder of The Iodine Project e.> <http://www.iodine4health.com >www.iodine4health.com - The Iodine> Group's repository for Iodine research.> > 20. INDEX> > Adrenal fatigue, 6> Antibodies, 5> Atomidine iodine. See Detoxified iodine> ATP, 3, 5> ATP CoFactors> as optional supporting nutrient, 2> physiology, 5> Autoimmune thyroid diseases> mechanism causing, 5> treatment of, 6> underlying cause, 4> Breast cancer, 6> Bromide testing> in combination with iodine loading test, 6> ordering, 7, 8> second testing, 6> Bromides. See also Detoxification > and the iodine loading test, 6> and weight gain, 4> bombarding our systems, 2> normal levels of, 6> sources of, 3> Calcium, weight gain and, 4> Cancer> breast cancer, 6> how much iodine to take, 2> Celtic sea salt. See Salt, unrefined> Chelation, mercury amalgam fillings and, 4> Children, how much iodine to take, 2> Chlorine, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2> Companion nutrients. See Supporting nutrients required> Dental mercury amalgam fillings, 4> Detoxification> forms of iodine not producing, 1> length of time expected for, 3> symptoms of, salt loading protocol to alleviate, 3> Detoxified iodine> amount of iodine in, 1> for children under 3 years, 2> Doctors Data (laboratory), 8> Ferritin levels dropping, 4> FFP Labs, 8> Flame retardants, as source of bromides, 3> Fluoride, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2> Food> as source of bromides, 3> taking supplements with, 3> Forms of iodine, 1> Free T3, and rise in TSH, 6> Free T4, and rise in TSH, 6> Graves' disease> antibodies and, 5> treatment of, 6> underlying cause of, 5> Hakala Research (laboratory), 7> Halides. See also Bromides; Detoxification> list of types of, 2> Hashimoto's disease, 4> cause underlying, 4> mechanism causing, 5> treatment of, 6> How much iodine to take> cancer, 2> children, 2> maintenance, 2> with false saturation results, 6> Iodinated lipids, 5> Iodine> dosage. See How much iodine to take> forms of, 1> saturation with. See Saturation with iodine> testing. See Iodine Loading Test> when to take, 3> Iodine Loading Test> and bromides, effect on results of, 6> ordered with Bromide Levels Test, 7> ordering, 7, 8> second testing, time for, 6> Iodine Spot Test, 7, 8> Iodoral> amount of iodine per tablet, 1> how much to take, 2> where to buy, 3> Iosol, 1> Length of time to take iodine, 3> Lugol's liquid iodine> amount of iodine per drop, 1> how much to take, 2> Magnascent iodine. See Detoxified iodine> > Magnesium> as supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2> weight gain and, 4> Mercury> amalgam fillings in teeth, 4> bombarding our systems, 2> Nascent iodine. 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Guest guest Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Here is another take on 'yeast' .......http://www.consciouslivingradio.org/?p2=modules/blog/viewcomments.jsp & bid=4Interesting video.... there is a part that explains what 'fungus/yeast' does in the body (as opposed to what Dr Tullio Simoncini thinks)Blessings,Subject: Re: Speaking of Selenium There are yeasts that are important probiotics in our gut. I'm not saying there aren't issues with yeast, of course there are, but to say all yeast is bad is simply not true. -- On 31 Aug 2011 at 17:28, Nonie Masterson wrote: > > > > I wouldn't touch yeast with a ten foot pole. Yeast is a cause of > cancer. Not to mention overgrowth of candida. Not my idea of healthy > at all. JMO. > > Nonie > > > iodine > From: renee-butts@... > Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 16:15:14 -0500 > Subject: Speaking of Selenium > > MARKETPLACE Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Toolbar now. A bad score is 579. A good idea is checking yours at freecreditscore.com. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 On 31 Aug 2011 at 19:25, Hill wrote: > > > > Um, > SOunds like you have an uniformed dr. to me,just as i do,nuts aren't > hard on the body in any way unless you eat too many. > > They are great way to get healthy fats too. > And chock full of selenium. > So i will continue to eat them for my selenium. No one answered as to > whether i should or not actually. Thanks, Bek > > > > > From: Kathleen Blake <kathleenblake@...> > Subject: For Bek New Member Doc copied into Email body > iodine > Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 10:45 PM > > Bek, this is for you incase you can't find this in the Files. > was kind enough to put this in an email form for us. Best, Kathleen > > > > > For any members who cannot d/l or access the Files on the website: > Below is appended the New Member Document. This contains all the info > you need to get started. Please read, and then ask questions that > remain. Thank you > > Iodine information to get you started > Commonly Asked Questions. > > 1. Forms of Iodine > 2. How much Iodine do I need to take? > 3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine. > 4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to space > them apart? > 5. How long should I take Iodine? > 6. Where can I buy Iodoral? > 7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol? > 8. What are the sources of Bromide? > 9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so I > must be very deficient. > 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine. > 11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine. > 12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercury > amalgam fillings? > 13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine? > IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCY > A Proposed Mechanism for the Development of Autoimmune Thyroid > Disorders What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid Illness > How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders 14. My TSH went up on > Iodine. 15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine? 16. I have > breast cancer and would like to learn more about using Iodine. 17. > Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test. 18. Ordering an Iodine > Loading Test with Bromide Levels. 19. Recommended Reading. > > 1. Forms of Iodine > > a. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified or Atomidine) Based on > Edgar Cayce's " energized " iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1% > concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electro-magnetically > transmuted (while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild acid > solution) into the Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 mcg or .150 mg of > Iodine. This form will not saturate body tissues and has not been > proven to detox halides such as bromide, fluoride, chloride, and > mercury, as other forms have. b. Iosol 1830 mcg / drop of Iodine > only c. Prolamine (Standard Process) 3 mgs Iodine only d. Lugol's > liquid Iodine / Potassium Iodide 2% and 5% solutions. 5% > solution is 6.25 mgs / drop. e. Iodoral Lugol's formula in pill > form Iodine / Potassium Iodide - 12.5 mgs & 50 mgs > > 2. How much Iodine do I need to take? > > There are no amounts that can be given as a blanket > recommendation. Everyone needs different amounts based on their body's > ability to utilize the nutrients as well as the level of toxic halide > exposure they have each day.. If you are dealing with a severe health > condition then your dosages would need to be higher than those trying > to maintain good health. a. Maintenance It was once believed that a > good maintenance dose is 25 mgs per day. But with more information > being gained about the exposures to halides bombarding our systems > (bromides, fluorides, chlorine) as well as mercury, etc., maintenance > of health may require higher doses of iodine. The iodine doctors are > now beginning to believe that 50 mgs may be the minimum required dose. > b. Cancer Cancer is a result of mutated cells. Iodine is absolutely > critical for something called P53 gene which is known as the " keeper > of the genetic code " . Without iodine and selenium it will not function > to eliminate abnormal cells from the body such as cancer. Cancer > patients have taken anywhere from 50 300 mgs / day successfully. > Here is a good article on how P53 works with the mdm2 in cancer > <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm>http:// > www.sciencedaily.com/ releases/2007/10/071015215101.htm > > For information on the P53 and Iodine see the Minerals for the Genetic > Code book. c. Children These are the levels that I gave my children > at the various ages. This is not meant to be a recommendation but a > guideline for what was safe for my (Dr. Buist) children and others I > have been in contact with. i. Up to 3 years 3 drops of Detoxified > Iodine (<http://www.iodinesource.com >www.iodinesource.com) per day or > take 1 drop of 5% Lugol's solution in water and then take ½ of the > water and give it to the child. This results in 3.125 mgs / dose. ii. > 3yrs to 5 yrs 6.25 mgs of Iodoral or 1 drop 5% Lugols Solution(6.25 > mgs) iii.. 5 yrs to 9 yrs 12.5 mgs of Iodoral or 2 drops 5% Lugols > Solution (12.5 mgs) iv. 9 yrs to 16 yrs 25 mgs of Iodoral or 4 > drops 5% Lugols Solution (25 mgs) v. 16 yrs and up will depend on > health issues, weight, etc and cannot be given in generalities. > Dosages range from 12.5 mgs to 300 mgs. > > 3. Supporting Nutrients for taking Iodine. > > These are required to support the body while supplementing with > iodine: a. Vit C 2,000 5,000 mgs / day supports the > symporters and assists as an antioxidant to detoxing. b. Selenium > 200 400 mcg / day needed for detoxification and thyroid hormone > creation. c. Unrefined salt (Celtic) ½ tsp / day supports > adrenals, binds to bromide and assists in removal, supports symporters > (sodium iodine symporters or NIS) d. Magnesium 400 mgs / day > critical for over 300 enzyme reactions in the body. e.. Optional > ATP CoFactors -1 tablet 2x / day when individuals continue to feel > fatigued or have autoimmune thyroid disease this product can assist in > increasing ATP (energy) within the cells. Riboflavin and no-flush > niacin. > > 4. When should I take my supplements? Do I need to space > them apart? > > a. Iodine should be taken with food. This seems to enhance > absorption as well as protecting sensitive stomachs from a potential > upset. b. The supporting nutrients can be taken with iodine and with > food. There is no spacing or timing required. c. Iodine should be > taken earlier in the day (before 2 pm) because for some it increases > energy so much that they are unable to sleep. > > 5. How long should I take Iodine? > > Dr. Abraham has states that it should take 6 months of 50 mgs to reach > 90% saturation. However, as testing has become more widely available, > it seems to be taking individuals years to detox halides and allow the > iodine to enter the cells. Consequently, there is no set time that a > person can expect to supplement and reach saturation levels. > > 6. Where can I buy Iodoral? > > These are a few sources that have been found to be a good option. a. > www.breastcancerchoices.org - ships internationally / free shipping > with larger orders b. www.illnessisoptional.com - ships > internationally c. www.vrp.com - ships internationally d. > www.amazon.com e. You can check Froogle (google shopping tool) to find > the current costs of various suppliers http://tinyurl.com/49zvmrl > > 7. What is the Salt Loading Protocol? > > Perform the salt loading protocol when you are experiencing > detoxification symptoms with iodine supplementation. **Note that you > should not need to do this for more than 3 days. If you do then you > need to reduce your dosing of iodine. > > 1/2 tsp celtic (or other unrefined) salt in 1/2 cup of warm water > Follow the above with a glass of 12 oz filtered water. ** Repeat every > 30-45 minutes as needed until urination begins. > > Why does this help? > Salt - containing chloride - binds to the bromide in the blood stream > and carries it out through the kidneys. > > 8. What are the sources of Bromide? > > Over and over people come to the Iodine group claiming that they can't > possibly be toxic in bromide because they are gluten free, eat a clean > diet, etc. Guess what? It isn't diet related in most cases. Bromide is > a flame retardant that is used in and on many items around you. These > include carpeting, furniture, mattresses, clothing, computers, > iPhones, and automobiles just to name a few. Food sources can > include items like baked goods that contain brominated flour or > vegetable oil as well as soft drinks like Mountain Dew and other > citrus based sodas. It can also be found in some Gatorade products. > For many years it was used in the form of Methyl Bromide as a > pesticide on strawberries. > > 9. I did the skin patch test and it disappeared quickly so > I must be very deficient. > > Not necessarily. The patch test isn't very scientific and many factors > go into why it disappears. Read the following article by Dr. Abraham > for more information > <http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD- > 02/UNIOD_02.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UN > IOD_02.htm > > 10. My ferritin dropped while on Iodine. > > This has been happening to people taking 50 mgs or more of Iodoral. It > has been rectified by adding a B6 Complex along with an iron > supplement to help restore ferritin to normal levels. It is thought to > occur due to an increase in metabolic rate that requires more iron. > Sufficient ferritin levels (60-70) are needed to create and utilize > thyroid hormones. > > 11. I am gaining weight since starting Iodine. > > Unfortunately this can occur in those that are very toxic in halides > like bromide. If your detoxification pathways are not able to > eliminate the toxins being released by iodine then your body will > buffer them with water and fat. It may be due, in part, to lowered > calcium levels as well as magnesium, vit D, and B Vitamins. All work > to maintain balance in the cells and eliminate toxins. > > 12. Is there an issue with taking Iodine and having mercury > amalgam fillings? > > While iodine does seem to pull out mercury from the cells / tissues of > the body, there has been no indication that it is dangerous to take > iodine while amalgams remain in the body. If there is concern, > supplements like cilantro, chlorella and others can be used to help > bind and carry the mercury out of the body. Consulting with a good > holistic / biological dentist as well as an alternative medicine > doctor can help to assess your toxicity level and assist you in safe > removal of amalgams and chelation. > > 13. I have Hashimotos. Can I take Iodine? > > Yes, Dr. Brownstein believes that low iodine is one the key causes in > autoimmune thyroid disease. The following is an excerpt from Dr. > Brownstein's Iodine book. > > THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE > DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCY > > Chapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of the > iodinated form of lactone ( - Iodolactone). - Iodolactone is not only > important for preventing cancer, its production is also necessary to > help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3 illustrates this > regulatory step in the oxidation/organification of iodine. As > previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occurs through > the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product in > order to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that > organification can occur. If organification does not take place or is > blocked, thyroid hormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be > seen from Figure 3, this reaction is controlled by intracellular > calcium levels and iodinated lipids -iodolactone. Intracellular > calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand, -iodolactone and > other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. If there is not > enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequate amounts of > -iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroid cell and > the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such as Hashimoto's > or Graves' disease. > > A Proposed Mechanism for the Development of > Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders > > The NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. > The mitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The > mitochondria produce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process > called oxidative phosphorylation. All medical students (and most > physicians) are familiar with oxidative phosphorylation because we > have to memorize the many steps responsible for producing ATP. This > production of ATP requires many items including: oxygen, magnesium, > ADP, and amino acids. Many people with chronic illnesses, such as > fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, and autoimmune disorders, > complain they have no energy. ATP is the molecule that stores energy > for the body. The body is constantly producing and utilizing ATP. Its > production is a complex process that is beyond this book. However, > there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2 (riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), > that are integral to stimulating oxidative phosphorylation and ATP > production. Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative > phosphorylation. It is this production of hydrogen peroxide that is so > critical to the oxidation process of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO > help to oxidize iodide to form iodine. If there is a deficiency in > iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDA for iodine, there will > not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produce iodinated lipids. As > can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of -iodolactone and other > iodinated lipids results in a loss of the 'brake' in the pathway to > oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too > much hydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the > enzyme TPO. > > What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid Illness > > The body's response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO > or anti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto's disease requires > the presence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, > surrounding proteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. > Damaged thyroglobulin will result in the body producing antibodies > against thyroglobulinanti-thyroglobulin antibodies. In most cases of > Hashimoto's disease, there are antibodies to both TPO and > thyroglobulin present. Although Graves' disease may also possess these > same antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the > diagnosis of Graves' disease. However, my clinical experience has > shown that the treatment for both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease can > follow a similar course with similar positive outcomes. > > How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders > > 1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate to > iodinate lipids.. 2. Take Vitamins B2 (Riboflavin) and B3 (Niacin) in > amounts necessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate > amounts of H2O2. 3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and > the mitochondria with antioxidants. 4. Ensure adequate magnesium > levels. 5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body. > > 14. My TSH went up on Iodine. > > This is a common occurrence when a person starts to take iodine after > being deficient. The body increases TSH to stimulate production of > thyroglobulin which is used to bind to the iodine in thyroid hormone > production. Individuals can have TSH levels as high as 75 for up to 6 > months without clinical signs of hypothyroidism. The best values to > check with labs if there is a concern are the Free T3 and Free T4. You > will find in most cases that the " frees " are nicely within the ranges. > > 15. I have adrenal fatigue. Can I take Iodine? > > Yes, Iodine is used by every gland and mucosal lining and is needed to > heal the adrenals. You should also use unrefined salt to support them > as well as Vitamin C. Other products such as ashwaganda, licorice > root, adrenal glandulars and in severe conditions a doctor can > prescribe hydrocortisone to replace the body's deficiency. > > 16. I have breast cancer and would like to learn more about > using Iodine. > > The best resource for breast cancer is > <http://www.breastcancerchoices.org>www.breastcancerchoices.org which > is a non-profit organization run by Lynne Farrow who is a breast > cancer survivor. They are dedicated to the grass roots research into > iodine's effectiveness as treatment. > > 17. Bromide Toxicity and Iodine Loading Test. > > As the years have gone by members of the group have been testing > relatively high in their saturation levels with the Iodine loading > tests. This is usually met with jubilation that they are at a good > level. But wait! This isn't a place to stop. A bromide level test has > become available and can be added to the loading test. This is highly > recommended because it gives a clearer picture of what the TRUE status > of the saturation level is. As a general rule if you see a higher > saturation level (80% or above) with a bromide level over 10 mgs/L > (the upper limit of normal per Dr. Guy Abraham) you are bromide toxic > and the receptors that would normally be able to pull iodine into the > cells cannot because bromide is blocking the receptors. This will > result in a high level of iodine being eliminated in the urine > indicating (falsely) that you are more saturated than you are. Persons > with results such as these should consider supplementing with Lugol's > or Iodoral in doses of 50 mgs or more for 6 mos to 1 year and then > retest Iodine Loading and Bromide levels to see what the new status > is. Dr. Abraham has stated that this amount of time is needed to make > significant progress in detoxing and to build saturation in the cells. > After supplementing for 6 mos to 1 year, the trend has been to see > saturation levels go down while bromide elimination levels increase. > > Another reason for a false high reading in saturation levels is due to > defects in the symporters of the cells. Dr. Abraham addresses this on > his website at <http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD- > 11/IOD_11.htm>http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm > > which suggests the usage of Vitamin C to heal symporters. > > 18. Ordering an Iodine Loading Test with Bromide Levels. > > It is recommended that you order both the 24 hour loading and bromide > level test. We recommend this because you may obtain a high saturation > level and believe that your levels are fine when in fact bromide > toxicity will block the iodine receptors not allowing iodine to enter > the cell which results in an elimination of iodine when it is needed / > deficient thus skewing the test results. > > The following list is a compilation of resources for obtaining the > Iodine loading test. Hakala Research 885 Parfet Street Unit E > Lakewood, CO 80215 877.238.1779 > > *** It is not recommended that you do the spot test as this is only an > indicator of how much iodine is in the diet and offers no real value > to the body saturation. The two asterisk items are the recommended > tests. > > ** Iodine Loading Kit Only $70 > Iodine Spot Level Kit Only $70 > Iodine Spot and Loading Kit $95 > ** Bromide Level Testing (must be combined with one of the above kits) > $35 > > Test prices do not include return shipping. > > They now also offer iodine serum/saliva testing to check for > Organification / Oxidation issues as well as symporter defects. The > test is available two ways: > > 1. 24 hour Iodine loading test plus the serum saliva ratio cost: > $155.00. 2. Serum saliva ratio without the urine test cost: $110.00. > > The serum/saliva ratio gives the degree of usage of iodine within the > cell, if the ratio is below normal this signifies a symporter defect > (NIS) while a higher than normal ratio points to an organification > problem.. > > According to Dr. Abrahams articles the symporter can be repaired using > 3 gm of slow release Vitamin C per day, the organification issue > responds to ATP CoFactors (Riboflavin 100mg + NoFlush Niacin 500mg) > twice daily. > > ====================================================================== > ===== == > > FFP Labs > Dr. Jorg Flechas MD > 80 Doctors Drive Ste 3 > ville, NC 28792 > (1-877-900-5556) > > The cost of this test is $80. > If it is not ordered by a physician you must tell them you are > ordering it on your own and they will assign you to a nurse > practitioner. When you get the results of this test you can receive a > free consultation with Dr. Flechas. > > You may also obtain a urine spot test for an additional $30 for a > total of $110 for both tests. > > Spot / Loading / Bromide test can be obtained for $230 > > ====================================================================== > ===== == > > Vitamin Research Products > > ** As of the last time this test was reviewed no bromide testing is > available. > > <http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9137>http://www.vrp.com/Pr > oductPage.aspx?Pr odID=9137 > > $100 for both the spot and loading test. > Kit requires an ordering physician. > > ====================================================================== > ===== == Doctors Data ** This lab does not seem to report in the > manner that is described in Dr.. Abraham's research so it is difficult > to determine true saturation and bromide levels. > > Pre and post loading - requires an ordering physician. > <http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=118>http://www.doctorsdat > a.com/test_info.asp?id= 118 > > ====================================================================== > ===== ========= ZRT Laboratories This is a new test that is not > performed in the manner outlined by Dr.. Abraham, Dr Brownstein or Dr. > Flechas which has been used effectively since the 1990's. It has not > been proven to correlate with the health conditions of those with > iodine deficiency and does not offer a bromide level test which is > critical in determining how accurate the saturation level is. At this > point the Iodine group does not recommend this test. > > 19. Recommended Reading. > > Many of the questions asked over and over are covered in these > reference materials. Please familiarize yourself with them to help > with limiting the repetition of information on the group. a. Dr > Brownstein Iodine Why You Need It, Why You Can't Live Without it > <http://www.drbrownstein.com>www.drbrownstein.com b. Dr. > Brownstein Salt Your Way To Health c. Dr. Derry Breast > Cancer and Iodine: How to Prevent and How to Survive Breast Cancer > <http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm>http:// > www.thyroidscience.com/r eviews/derry/derry.9.19.09.htm > > d. <http://www.optimox.com>www.optimox.com - Research by Dr. Guy > Abraham the founder of The Iodine Project > e. <http://www.iodine4health.com>www.iodine4health.com - The Iodine > Group's repository for Iodine research. > > 20. INDEX > > Adrenal fatigue, 6 > Antibodies, 5 > Atomidine iodine. See Detoxified iodine > ATP, 3, 5 > ATP CoFactors > as optional supporting nutrient, 2 > physiology, 5 > Autoimmune thyroid diseases > mechanism causing, 5 > treatment of, 6 > underlying cause, 4 > Breast cancer, 6 > Bromide testing > in combination with iodine loading test, 6 > ordering, 7, 8 > second testing, 6 > Bromides. See also Detoxification > and the iodine loading test, 6 > and weight gain, 4 > bombarding our systems, 2 > normal levels of, 6 > sources of, 3 > Calcium, weight gain and, 4 > Cancer > breast cancer, 6 > how much iodine to take, 2 > Celtic sea salt. See Salt, unrefined > Chelation, mercury amalgam fillings and, 4 > Children, how much iodine to take, 2 > Chlorine, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2 > Companion nutrients.. See Supporting nutrients required > Dental mercury amalgam fillings, 4 > Detoxification > forms of iodine not producing, 1 > length of time expected for, 3 > symptoms of, salt loading protocol to alleviate, 3 > Detoxified iodine > amount of iodine in, 1 > for children under 3 years, 2 > Doctors Data (laboratory), 8 > Ferritin levels dropping, 4 > FFP Labs, 8 > Flame retardants, as source of bromides, 3 > Fluoride, as halide, bombarding our systems, 2 > Food > as source of bromides, 3 > taking supplements with, 3 > Forms of iodine, 1 > Free T3, and rise in TSH, 6 > Free T4, and rise in TSH, 6 > Graves' disease > antibodies and, 5 > treatment of, 6 > underlying cause of, 5 > Hakala Research (laboratory), 7 > Halides. See also Bromides; Detoxification > list of types of, 2 > Hashimoto's disease, 4 > cause underlying, 4 > mechanism causing, 5 > treatment of, 6 > How much iodine to take > cancer, 2 > children, 2 > maintenance, 2 > with false saturation results, 6 > Iodinated lipids, 5 > Iodine > dosage. See How much iodine to take > forms of, 1 > saturation with. See Saturation with iodine > testing. See Iodine Loading Test > when to take, 3 > Iodine Loading Test > and bromides, effect on results of, 6 > ordered with Bromide Levels Test, 7 > ordering, 7, 8 > second testing, time for, 6 > Iodine Spot Test, 7, 8 > Iodoral > amount of iodine per tablet, 1 > how much to take, 2 > where to buy, 3 > Iosol, 1 > Length of time to take iodine, 3 > Lugol's liquid iodine > amount of iodine per drop, 1 > how much to take, 2 > Magnascent iodine. See Detoxified iodine > > Magnesium > as supporting nutrient, amount to take, 2 > weight gain and, 4 > Mercury > amalgam fillings in teeth, 4 > bombarding our systems, 2 > Nascent iodine. 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Guest guest Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 You know, there are a lot of opinions on every aspect of health, including natural health. Some individual MDs will be great on lots of subjects but then be really out of touch on other subjects. Same with NDs, Wellness Coaches, etc. If you run up against other opinions, you might want to research it rather than hanging on to what the doc told you just because that person told you something. I don't just take it on face value what any doc says to me. I research it. Most health practitioners believe that nuts are health food. For a while there, nuts were demonized as " too fatty " etc, but that was when all fats were being demonized, until it was realized that nuts have extremely high value fats, and that humans require good-quality fats for health. I can imagine there are people with health issues (aside from allergies) that might make nuts poor food, but you have to know yourself and know you health in order to know whether that's the case or not. Meanwhile, we advocate taking a selenium supplement daily because it is essential that a certain minimum amount of selenium be ingested as part of the iodine protocol. You can still eat brazil nuts if you wish, I think they are great and eat them myself. and btw, just because one practitioner says that 1 brazil nut a day is sufficient doesn't make it so. If you want to get the benefit of the iodine protocol, you need to get the minimums on all the companion nutrients. -- On 2 Sep 2011 at 15:13, Butts wrote: > I thought it was odd too, but he is an MD who also practices now in > Mexico because of his cancer protocol, but he runs a hospital down > there and practiced here in the states for many years---so I just > don´t know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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