Guest guest Posted October 10, 1999 Report Share Posted October 10, 1999 Yes... interesting to note, that it's standard practice to add on an additional 3 year life to a vaccine for a cause of " what the hell " . Also, I did read where it states that it protects against all strains. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, wasn't Congressional outcome that the terminology is actually " we believe so " , as opposed to " yes it does " . In addition, as what we've been saying all along, they state that there is no long term health effects. Again, they're just now doing the study. (This repeat is for new listees). I have just reviewed the OSD site, and checked out their VAERS site, to see if there has been any updates. Not updated since September 8th, where there was 314 VAERS reports filed. Again, I must ask.... if there were 120 at Tripler, 65 (or there abouts) at Dover, how many at Detrick???? I have SERIOUS doubts about the numbers game. << Just read Power Point Slides; interesting is the notation that there is a max one year shelf life. Gee, we know that has been exceeded by their arbitary extension policy. Of course, they don't mention that. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 1999 Report Share Posted October 10, 1999 Chaplin wrote: > > From: Chaplin <southerner15@...> > > Just read Power Point Slides; interesting is the > notation that there is a max one year shelf life. > Gee, we know that has been exceeded by their arbitary > extension policy. Of course, they don't mention that. > Somewhere I read that the one year shelf life was after the vaccine is bottled into vials, then the one year shelf life begins. But until then, they seem to be able to extend expiration dates on vaccine stored in refrigerated vats. If I am wrong, someone please correct me. Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 1999 Report Share Posted October 10, 1999 Even after bottling the manufacturer has extended shelf life in 3 year increments after supplying potency data to FDA (which BTW has been unreliable and unreproducible--and we can probably thank Mitretek's professionalism that the very longstanding problem of invalid potency tests was not allowed to continue.). Until bottling it seems the vaccine can legally " live forever. " After supplemental testing the vials (bottles) were given approximately 12 additional months before expiring (approximately because some DoD docs claim the expiration dates on the labels were earlier than the actual expiration dates.) Meryl -- ** Please note new email address ** mnass@... ==================== Meryl Nass, M.D. 124 Wardtown Road Freeport, Maine 04032 phone (207) 865-0875 fax (207) 865-6975 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 1999 Report Share Posted November 2, 1999 According to the GAO report you mention. All vials are dated when they leave Bioport with a one year expiration date. In addition, they are shipped using a very sophisticated shipping system that has been set up primarily through FedEx. Overseas shipments sometimes use another carrier but also have used FedEx. This would provide documentation on the date shipped and arrived. In addition, there are sensors that monitor the temperature of the vaccine during shipment to make sure the ranges are within acceptable guidelines established by (I believe) Bioport and the FDA. There is a sentence or two about diverting some vaccine from one base to another if supplies get short. This may happen because Bioport has not sent in their test samples and the FDA has not approved the newly renovated facilities at Bioport. Thus the vaccine they are making now can not be distributed yet. The GAO says in the report that this may cause shortages at specific bases which is the reason some vaccine might need to be diverted. However, I believe the report indicates that plans for that contingency have not been formulated as of yet. Shelf Life > From: " Lindel Brinegar " <c130eng@...> > > The new GAO report states that once a vial of vaccine is labeled for > shipment, its expiration date is changed to a maximum of 1 year (not to > exceed its 3-year shelf life). > > Questions: > > 1. How many vials of the vaccine were relabeled for shipment with a new > one year expiration date? > > 2. Can the shipment date from Bioport be proven with documentation? > > 3. Can bases ship it to each other to help out or can it only come from the > manufacturer? > > 4. Has anyone already determined this information? > > > Perhaps I am just behind. > > c130eng > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 1999 Report Share Posted December 26, 1999 Hi Jah'net, Try this URL: http://www.northcountrymercantile.com/cgi-local/forum.cgi Then click on the button that says " Shelf Life of Oils. " This will only tell you the shelf lives of the oils, not the properties of them. I have to dig around to find that particular site... Hope everyone had a beautiful, peaceful holiday! HTH, cindi Y489275@... wrote: > From: Y489275@... > > While browsing I ran across a chart which described the charactieristics of > various base oils, preservatives and their shelf-life. I didn't mark the > site and I've looked in various lists and can't find anything that tells you > how long the base oils last before they go rancid. I saw there were some > hints if you want to test the shelf life of your creation on your own, but > I'd like to know before I mix it up what I need to add to keep down bacteria > growth and rancidity. Does anyone know where I can find such information? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 1999 Report Share Posted December 26, 1999 Please share this information! My hands have become drier and drier with each passing year, and I think if I could get the right combination of oils, I would see a marked improvement. Tia j jmission@... At 11:54 AM 12/26/1999 -0000, you wrote: > >Message: 18 > Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 22:53:52 EST > From: Y489275@... >Subject: shelf life > >While browsing I ran across a chart which described the charactieristics of >various base oils, preservatives and their shelf-life. I didn't mark the >site and I've looked in various lists and can't find anything that tells you >how long the base oils last before they go rancid. I saw there were some >hints if you want to test the shelf life of your creation on your own, but >I'd like to know before I mix it up what I need to add to keep down bacteria >growth and rancidity. Does anyone know where I can find such information? > >Thanks, >Jah'net > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2000 Report Share Posted May 13, 2000 You can find information about anti-oxidants and preservatives at http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/lotionmaking101.html or at http://www.snowdriftfarm/askthechemist.html Generally speaking, waxes such as bees, candelilla and carnauba are not going to spoil very quickly, when properly kept. High and dry and cool is best for these products. Store in airtight plastic containers or ziplock-type bags. Oils and butters are more fragile, and should be kept in airtight conatiners. We add ROE to our fixed oils for in-house use, with the exception of macadamia nut, jojoba wax (oil), sunflower seed and wheat germ. These oils are very high in oleic and are extremely stable all on their own. Again, they need to be stored properly in order to maximize shelf life. Keep shea, mango, etc in airtight plastic ziplock-type baggies or tupperware-type plastic containers. These can be kept cold in the warmer months to help prevent spoilage. If you opt for the fridge or freezer, be sure your containers are airtight. You don't want water crystals forming on your product. We do not add ROE to butters. When formulating them with a fixed oil that's been ROE-treated, there is enough residual effect from the ROE that's already there to cover the (usually) small % of butter added. We use and sell multiple barrels of a wide variety of fixed oils monthly, and we are very familiar with our supply chain. We take good care of these relationships because we need to be sure of the integrity of the oils we use and sell. This is the best hedge against rancidity we have ever discovered! Bill Wallace -- Snowdrift Farm Natural Products, Inc. http://www.snowdriftfarm.com Quality Doesn't Have to Cost a Fortune! From: Bev Hammond <bevhammond4@...> Subject: Shelf life Is there a site that discusses shelf life of various oils, butters, etc.? I am also interested in beeswax shelf life. I prefer to buy oils fresh, and not add additives to extend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2000 Report Share Posted August 29, 2000 Deby here. I think I was told 3 to 6 months depending on the conditions under which you keep it once it's opened. I keep mine in the frig, so I think it'll last longer. I smell and taste and it seems ok. Had it for 8 mos. now. Shelf Life > Can anyone advise on the shelf life of grapeseed oil? I have a number of > bookmarked sites on carriers but don't have shelf life references. > > Tina Eberts > Lumsden, Saskatchewan > www.valleymade.sk.ca > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 I can tell you about GSE...don't waste your money..lol. The only preservative action ever supported about GSE came from the preservatives used in GSE. In addition there *may*(I said may because I haven't seen anything definative about it yet)be an estrogen-like compound in it that could be a problem for some women. And it's really expensive....for nothing. Just my opinon, of course, others may disagree.<g> < What exactly is the shelf life of a product when using Phenonip, Germall Plus and GSE?> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 Thank you, . I am just confused with the preservatives that are needed and although I do have books that describe preservatives, I do not have any info on shelf life. Anyone else? I really need your help. Thank you, Penny - -- In , " " <hipsb4hands@e...> wrote: > I can tell you about GSE...don't waste your money..lol. The only > preservative action ever supported about GSE came from the preservatives > used in GSE. In addition there *may*(I said may because I haven't seen > anything definative about it yet)be an estrogen-like compound in it that > could be a problem for some women. And it's really expensive....for nothing. > Just my opinon, of course, others may disagree.<g> > > > > > < What exactly is the > shelf life of a product when using Phenonip, Germall Plus and GSE?> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 Penny, I'm sorry I didn't comment on shelf life. I don't see where anyone else has either so let me make a stab at it. I don't think you can get a definative answer like 'with phenonip your salt scrubs will be good for 1 year'. There is more than one side to 'shelf life'. Properly preserved, a product should be good indefinately as far as tiny livestock are concerned(now I don't mean 20 years...but certainly 2-3). However, you also have the issue of rancidity of oils in sonme products. Preservatives don't protect against rancidity as far as I know. So you must try to protect against that as well. Oils, even treated with T-50 or ROE, still go rancid. Emulsification or Saponification seems to extend their life but I cannot say to what degree. I'm sure that *properly* preserved and protected against rancidity, your products should be good for a year...probably much more but I really hesitate to say any more specifically because I am now getting beyond what little knowledge I think I have<g>. I am not an expert on this subject ... a long way from it....so I, too, would appreciate any comments by the real experts on this list. < I am just confused with the preservatives that are needed and although I do have books that describe preservatives, I do not have any info on shelf life. Anyone else? I really need your help.> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 In a message dated 6/2/2003 8:43:13 PM Central Standard Time, wolfierunner@... writes: > Does everyyone place expiration dates on their products? > Lotions should have an expiration date. I code the bottom of my lotions with a black thin marker. The way I do this is for example, if I have a lavender lotion, I give it a number 3 and a vanilla a number 7. I would put 3 zeros after the first number on the jar for the first batch of lavender, a number 7 with three zeros for the vanilla. I then write in a notebook under the heading of lavender: 3000 - 6/2/03. Under heading of vanilla I write 7000 - 6/2/03. That way I can keep an eye on the dates and no one else knows what it means. If someone says something is wrong with lotion, I check to see when it was made. Of course, I would refund money for any kind of dissatisfaction which has never happened. HTH Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 , Thank you so much. I really am new to all this, so I thought I would ask. From what I am reading, some things are just confusing to me. Maybe I am just have a " DUH " day! I appreciate your honesty and knowledge. Does everyyone place expiration dates on their products? Is this something that I should be do in the future? There is a whole lot of experience on this list, and even though I am a newbie, I am probably asking dumb questions. Thanks again, , Penny > Penny, > > I'm sorry I didn't comment on shelf life. I don't see where anyone else has > either so let me make a stab at it. I don't think you can get a definative > answer like 'with phenonip your salt scrubs will be good for 1 year'. There > is more than one side to 'shelf life'. Properly preserved, a product should > be good indefinately as far as tiny livestock are concerned(now I don't mean > 20 years...but certainly 2-3). However, you also have the issue of rancidity > of oils in sonme products. Preservatives don't protect against rancidity as > far as I know. So you must try to protect against that as well. Oils, even > treated with T-50 or ROE, still go rancid. Emulsification or Saponification > seems to extend their life but I cannot say to what degree. I'm sure that > *properly* preserved and protected against rancidity, your products should > be good for a year...probably much more but I really hesitate to say any > more specifically because I am now getting beyond what little knowledge I > think I have<g>. > > I am not an expert on this subject ... a long way from it....so I, too, > would appreciate any comments by the real experts on this list. > > > > > < I am just confused with the preservatives that > are needed and although I do have books that describe preservatives, > I do not have any info on shelf life. Anyone else? I really need your > help.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Thank you so much for the information, Rose . I highly appreciate it. Penny > In a message dated 6/2/2003 8:43:13 PM Central Standard Time, > wolfierunner@a... writes: > > > Does everyyone place expiration dates on their products? > > > Lotions should have an expiration date. I code the bottom of my lotions with > a black thin marker. The way I do this is for example, if I have a lavender > lotion, I give it a number 3 and a vanilla a number 7. I would put 3 zeros > after the first number on the jar for the first batch of lavender, a number 7 > with three zeros for the vanilla. I then write in a notebook under the heading > of lavender: 3000 - 6/2/03. Under heading of vanilla I write 7000 - 6/2/03. > That way I can keep an eye on the dates and no one else knows what it means. > If someone says something is wrong with lotion, I check to see when it was > made. Of course, I would refund money for any kind of dissatisfaction which has > never happened. > > HTH > Rose > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 i have question concerning coffie i would like to make a face and body cream useing cafine/coffie but i do not know were to start does any body have any ideas recipies they could pass on thanks sandra sarhan@... Shelf Life > Penny < & anyone else> there is NEVER a " dumb " question---it is only > dumb if you DON " T ASK...as we were all newbies at one time (although it > seems there is always something new to learn) & asked the same > questions....lets face it...with soapin' as with any new hobby...i`has > its own lanuage, which sometimes can be confussing, but becomes easier > with time...So PLEASE ...ask away...it gives the " old " timers a chance > to repay for all the kind help we recieved when we were " newbies " > Happy soapin' > > Charlie! > Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day. > Teach a man " how " to fish, > and he will sit in a boat & drink beer all day. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Thanks, Charlie. I have learned a lot from lurking, but I still have a million and one questions...Stay tuned! LOL > Penny < & anyone else> there is NEVER a " dumb " question---it is only > dumb if you DON " T ASK...as we were all newbies at one time (although it > seems there is always something new to learn) & asked the same > questions....lets face it...with soapin' as with any new hobby...i`has > its own lanuage, which sometimes can be confussing, but becomes easier > with time...So PLEASE ...ask away...it gives the " old " timers a chance > to repay for all the kind help we recieved when we were " newbies " > Happy soapin' > > Charlie! > Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day. > Teach a man " how " to fish, > and he will sit in a boat & drink beer all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Hi Lydia, In theory, it can be kept in fridge (closed lid) for a long time, months. But, it will turn too sour and fizzy with high alcohol content, and you may not like it. Shirl From: Lydia <lsweed@...> Subject: shelf life Date: Sunday, 25 October, 2009, 6:33 AM How long can I leave finished kefir in the refrigerator? Lydia Get your new Email address! Grab the Email name you & #39;ve always wanted before someone else does! http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 > > Hi Lydia, > In theory, it can be kept in fridge (closed lid) for a long time, months. But, it will turn too sour and fizzy with high alcohol content, and you may not like it. > Shirl > > How long can I leave finished kefir in the refrigerator? Lydia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Lydia, I've kept my kefir grains, without straining them (so, right in the kefir they've made), for a few months at a time in the back of the fridge, where the temperature remains more constantly cool. They still make great kefir when I use them. The only thing they don't do is reproduce as fast. As far as the kefir itself, I would probably agree with Shirl. I wouldn't keep it for more than maybe a few weeks at best. Hope this helps! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 > > Hi Lydia, > In theory, it can be kept in fridge (closed lid) for a long time, months. But, it will turn too sour and fizzy with high alcohol content, and you may not like it. > Shirl > I had some milk grains in an air tight (just closed the lid) glass baby-food jar in the fridge for 5-6 weeks. The grains size double during that time. I just took those out about 3 days ago, the kefirized milk is really thick and creamy (I think full of kefiran), but not as thich as some commercial yogurt (which I believe they drained those any how). The kefirized milk that was in the fridge 5-6 weeks is more sour than I prefer, but not really more sour than if I let it sit on the counter for 3-4 days, or a week, so I dilute with a little fresh milk and eat with cereals. Also, as a side note, now that I'm used to the taste, I no longer crave sugar with kefirized milk. Kind of like when I started eating food with little or no salt added, those didn't taste good at first, but now I can honestly say that restaurant and store-shelf food are way too salty for my taste. As for the grains recovering from lack of food, the first 2-3 days, they are a litle sluggish. I decide to use a plastic spoon to devide each chunk into 2, or 3 smaller chunks. They are still a little slow, so I use a little less milk, but is making milk kefir just fine. So you can try and experiment with any extra grains you have, even small amount of grains. Jimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Does Iodine (or any of it’s forms) have a shelf life? How long will it last? VickiIn Reno, NV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 If kept in dark and tightly sealed so air can't get in, it will last virtually forever or at least many, many years.ArielOn Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Vicki Dame <vgdame@...> wrote: Does Iodine (or any of it’s forms) have a shelf life? How long will it last? VickiIn Reno, NV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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