Re: Help---can't find a sloution

[Guest guest]

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look at a genteler way.

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On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 4:51 PM, dinkameeusen <dinkameeusen@...> wrote:

 

Well, everytime I try a tried-and-true solution for thyroid issues, it seems to have a worse or opposite effect. I am at my wits end and don't know what to do.I have had adrenal fatigue and hypothyroid for at least 3 years (had lab work 3 years ago that showed AF and hypo---but have been with symptoms for much longer time).

1)First, in fall of 2008 I used hydrocortisone to address/heal the AF, but used no thyroid meds. This was to heal the adrenals first.2)I was warned by 2 health practitioners to get off of HC because of it's bad side effect---which I had lots of bad side effects---even from taking only 25mg HC perday in 4 divided doses ). It thinned my skin (rapid aging---skin now looks like I am 70 years old and I'm only in my 50's)turned my muscles to mush, put on 20 pounds, caused depression,fluid retention,etc.

3) Summer of 2009 I started taking natural dessicaated thyroid hormone in low doses, but I ended up with it pooling in my blood and elevated rT3---and had to get back on HC and take Cynomel in 2010 to clear the rT3 out of my system.

4) By fall 2010 I got the rT3 reduced to a normal level so I quit taking Cynomel. And stayed on low levels of HC---about 10 to 15mg HC.5)I still had hypothyroidism which needed to be treated. I couldn't use Natural thyroid hormone meds beyond about 45mg 3x a week. any more than that, and I got peripheral neuropathy and heart palpitations.

6) So, at this point: fall 2010 the HC and NTH never got rid of my hypothyroidism.7)So spring of this year I tried iodoral with my 12.5mg HC daily. For the first 6+ weeks, I had very good results with the iodoral---most of my hypo symptoms went away!!!

8) At about the 8 week point of using iodoral, my hypothyroid symptoms not only came back---but came back way worse than they had been for 2 years previous. So I quit the iodoral.I was still using about 10mg of HC per day...in divided doses.

9)After quitting the iodoral, my hypothroidism symptoms reduced to about where they have been since 2008. Thinning scalp hair, dry hair, acne/dry skin, low average body temp (averaging about 98.1 per day), chubby, sleepy-foggy-groggy, edema in my lower legs, digestion issues.

10) So then I figured maybe the iodoral quit working due to lack of companion nutrients---but I checked my vitamins and minerals that I was taking already---and I was on optimal companion nutrients already---but I did take a little more vit-C and a little more selenium after that.

11)I tried an OTC liver flush nutriceutical that contained dandelion , burdock, milk thistle...the directions said to take 3 capsules 2x per day (3 in morning, 3 in evening.) Because I am highly sensitive and prone to allergies to herbal stuff, I only took 2 capsules per day in the morning. It only made my hypothyroid symptoms WAY WORSE---and gave me pain and congestion in the liver/gallbladder area of my torso. and made me have to take more HC. Even on more HC---I have now worse leg edema, temps have gone down about 0.3 degree.

12) If I take higher levels of HC, I get the HC side effects back.And if I take more than 20mg pr day of HC, my hypothyroid symptoms get worse.13)So----why is nothing working to make the hypothyroid symptoms go away? My body seems too sensitive even for low doses of liver flush. at least I am guessing that is a possibility---I don't know for sure. Maybe even low doses of liver flush make my need for HC skyrocket?

14)my last resort is to try a liver flush with floressence tea. Maybe that is mild enough to not send me into worse AF and worse hypo.15) Has anyone here ever had to go through similar trial and error---with mostly things going worse than better? It's a cathc-22: If I go back to 25mg per day of HC---I might tolerate the liver flush better. No matter how much HC I ever took, I could never tolerate natural thyroid hormone without getting pooling, palpitaitons, and peripheral neuropathy. So something eles is making my body hypo---and my body did not want any NTH.

I am sorry for the long post---but I am at my wits end. NTH is not the answer. Iodine was the answer until it quit working and made me more hypo. I am open to suggestions. Take more HC just for a short period of time---just long enough to get a complete liver lfush? Slow gentle liver flush because I am so sensitive to herbal stuff?

Thank you, I appreciate any help.

[Guest guest]

You are not alone! I've been through something similar. I can't take any

thyroid hormone either. It makes my goiter grow and I'm desperately trying to

shrink the darn thing.

I suspect that you should have upped your iodine in step 8 instead of dropping

it altogether.

Hope this helps a lil,

Laurel

>

> Well, everytime I try a tried-and-true solution for thyroid issues, it seems

to have a worse or opposite effect. I am at my wits end and don't know what to

do.

> I have had adrenal fatigue and hypothyroid for at least 3 years (had lab work

3 years ago that showed AF and hypo---but have been with symptoms for much

longer time).

>

> 1)First, in fall of 2008 I used hydrocortisone to address/heal the AF, but

used no thyroid meds. This was to heal the adrenals first.

>

> 2)I was warned by 2 health practitioners to get off of HC because of it's bad

side effect---which I had lots of bad side effects---even from taking only 25mg

HC perday in 4 divided doses ). It thinned my skin (rapid aging---skin now looks

like I am 70 years old and I'm only in my 50's)turned my muscles to mush, put on

20 pounds, caused depression,fluid retention,etc.

>

> 3) Summer of 2009 I started taking natural dessicaated thyroid hormone in low

doses, but I ended up with it pooling in my blood and elevated rT3---and had to

get back on HC and take Cynomel in 2010 to clear the rT3 out of my system.

>

> 4) By fall 2010 I got the rT3 reduced to a normal level so I quit taking

Cynomel. And stayed on low levels of HC---about 10 to 15mg HC.

>

> 5)I still had hypothyroidism which needed to be treated. I couldn't use

Natural thyroid hormone meds beyond about 45mg 3x a week. any more than that,

and I got peripheral neuropathy and heart palpitations.

>

> 6) So, at this point: fall 2010 the HC and NTH never got rid of my

hypothyroidism.

>

> 7)So spring of this year I tried iodoral with my 12.5mg HC daily. For the

first 6+ weeks, I had very good results with the iodoral---most of my hypo

symptoms went away!!!

>

> 8) At about the 8 week point of using iodoral, my hypothyroid symptoms not

only came back---but came back way worse than they had been for 2 years

previous. So I quit the iodoral.I was still using about 10mg of HC per day...in

divided doses.

>

> 9)After quitting the iodoral, my hypothroidism symptoms reduced to about where

they have been since 2008. Thinning scalp hair, dry hair, acne/dry skin, low

average body temp (averaging about 98.1 per day), chubby, sleepy-foggy-groggy,

edema in my lower legs, digestion issues.

>

> 10) So then I figured maybe the iodoral quit working due to lack of companion

nutrients---but I checked my vitamins and minerals that I was taking

already---and I was on optimal companion nutrients already---but I did take a

little more vit-C and a little more selenium after that.

>

> 11)I tried an OTC liver flush nutriceutical that contained dandelion ,

burdock, milk thistle...the directions said to take 3 capsules 2x per day (3 in

morning, 3 in evening.) Because I am highly sensitive and prone to allergies to

herbal stuff, I only took 2 capsules per day in the morning. It only made my

hypothyroid symptoms WAY WORSE---and gave me pain and congestion in the

liver/gallbladder area of my torso. and made me have to take more HC. Even on

more HC---I have now worse leg edema, temps have gone down about 0.3 degree.

>

> 12) If I take higher levels of HC, I get the HC side effects back.And if I

take more than 20mg pr day of HC, my hypothyroid symptoms get worse.

>

> 13)So----why is nothing working to make the hypothyroid symptoms go away? My

body seems too sensitive even for low doses of liver flush. at least I am

guessing that is a possibility---I don't know for sure. Maybe even low doses of

liver flush make my need for HC skyrocket?

>

> 14)my last resort is to try a liver flush with floressence tea. Maybe that is

mild enough to not send me into worse AF and worse hypo.

>

> 15) Has anyone here ever had to go through similar trial and error---with

mostly things going worse than better? It's a cathc-22: If I go back to 25mg per

day of HC---I might tolerate the liver flush better. No matter how much HC I

ever took, I could never tolerate natural thyroid hormone without getting

pooling, palpitaitons, and peripheral neuropathy. So something eles is making my

body hypo---and my body did not want any NTH.

>

> I am sorry for the long post---but I am at my wits end. NTH is not the answer.

Iodine was the answer until it quit working and made me more hypo.

>

> I am open to suggestions. Take more HC just for a short period of time---just

long enough to get a complete liver lfush? Slow gentle liver flush because I am

so sensitive to herbal stuff?

>

> Thank you, I appreciate any help.

>

[Guest guest]

I am only new here and I may not have the right answer for you.But perhaps the worsening hypo symptoms were bromide detox symptoms and you may have needed to salt load. ??From: dinkameeusen <dinkameeusen@...>iodine Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 12:51 AMSubject: Help---can't find a

sloution

Well, everytime I try a tried-and-true solution for thyroid issues, it seems to have a worse or opposite effect. I am at my wits end and don't know what to do.

I have had adrenal fatigue and hypothyroid for at least 3 years (had lab work 3 years ago that showed AF and hypo---but have been with symptoms for much longer time).

1)First, in fall of 2008 I used hydrocortisone to address/heal the AF, but used no thyroid meds. This was to heal the adrenals first.

2)I was warned by 2 health practitioners to get off of HC because of it's bad side effect---which I had lots of bad side effects---even from taking only 25mg HC perday in 4 divided doses ). It thinned my skin (rapid aging---skin now looks like I am 70 years old and I'm only in my 50's)turned my muscles to mush, put on 20 pounds, caused depression,fluid retention,etc.

3) Summer of 2009 I started taking natural dessicaated thyroid hormone in low doses, but I ended up with it pooling in my blood and elevated rT3---and had to get back on HC and take Cynomel in 2010 to clear the rT3 out of my system.

4) By fall 2010 I got the rT3 reduced to a normal level so I quit taking Cynomel. And stayed on low levels of HC---about 10 to 15mg HC.

5)I still had hypothyroidism which needed to be treated. I couldn't use Natural thyroid hormone meds beyond about 45mg 3x a week. any more than that, and I got peripheral neuropathy and heart palpitations.

6) So, at this point: fall 2010 the HC and NTH never got rid of my hypothyroidism.

7)So spring of this year I tried iodoral with my 12.5mg HC daily. For the first 6+ weeks, I had very good results with the iodoral---most of my hypo symptoms went away!!!

8) At about the 8 week point of using iodoral, my hypothyroid symptoms not only came back---but came back way worse than they had been for 2 years previous. So I quit the iodoral.I was still using about 10mg of HC per day...in divided doses.

9)After quitting the iodoral, my hypothroidism symptoms reduced to about where they have been since 2008. Thinning scalp hair, dry hair, acne/dry skin, low average body temp (averaging about 98.1 per day), chubby, sleepy-foggy-groggy, edema in my lower legs, digestion issues.

10) So then I figured maybe the iodoral quit working due to lack of companion nutrients---but I checked my vitamins and minerals that I was taking already---and I was on optimal companion nutrients already---but I did take a little more vit-C and a little more selenium after that.

11)I tried an OTC liver flush nutriceutical that contained dandelion , burdock, milk thistle...the directions said to take 3 capsules 2x per day (3 in morning, 3 in evening.) Because I am highly sensitive and prone to allergies to herbal stuff, I only took 2 capsules per day in the morning. It only made my hypothyroid symptoms WAY WORSE---and gave me pain and congestion in the liver/gallbladder area of my torso. and made me have to take more HC. Even on more HC---I have now worse leg edema, temps have gone down about 0.3 degree.

12) If I take higher levels of HC, I get the HC side effects back.And if I take more than 20mg pr day of HC, my hypothyroid symptoms get worse.

13)So----why is nothing working to make the hypothyroid symptoms go away? My body seems too sensitive even for low doses of liver flush. at least I am guessing that is a possibility---I don't know for sure. Maybe even low doses of liver flush make my need for HC skyrocket?

14)my last resort is to try a liver flush with floressence tea. Maybe that is mild enough to not send me into worse AF and worse hypo.

15) Has anyone here ever had to go through similar trial and error---with mostly things going worse than better? It's a cathc-22: If I go back to 25mg per day of HC---I might tolerate the liver flush better. No matter how much HC I ever took, I could never tolerate natural thyroid hormone without getting pooling, palpitaitons, and peripheral neuropathy. So something eles is making my body hypo---and my body did not want any NTH.

I am sorry for the long post---but I am at my wits end. NTH is not the answer. Iodine was the answer until it quit working and made me more hypo.

I am open to suggestions. Take more HC just for a short period of time---just long enough to get a complete liver lfush? Slow gentle liver flush because I am so sensitive to herbal stuff?

Thank you, I appreciate any help.

[Guest guest]

Have you read the new member documents and maybe Dr. Brownstein’s books? You would understand what was actually happening, and would understand the protocol better if you reread those. I see several things. 1. Your question was about making hypothyroid symptoms go away. I think you’re looking for the wrong thing. You want to heal your body. Healing can take time, and sometimes you experience periods of worse before things get better, or things just hold the same, but when you are on the whole iodine protocol, your body is being nourished so it can heal. You just may not see results right away. The iodine doesn’t quit working, but your body was probably pushing out toxins, and you just didn’t understand.2. Rt3 is a function of the liver being conjested. Just taking Cytomel helped for a time, but did not heal your body. It covered the problem. You probably need more liver support. There are different kinds of cleanses and various things you can try. Don’t stop just because the first thing was hard. NAC, milk thistle are just two things you can take every day to support your liver without a major cleanse. You could do liver support and also try cleansing in a different way.3. You were probably experiencing detox symptoms when you were on the iodine. You need to take the companion nutrients and the salt. I don’t see you mentioning taking whole salt. That will help the detox symptoms greatly, and the adrenals can heal with enough salt, magnesium, vit C. You may need extra of those than you were taking. 4. You may also need more iodine that 12.5 mg. That is a very low dose, to heal your body you probably need more, and sometime once your body starts getting some, it craves more. You actually may have lessened your symptoms in 8 by raising your dose instead of stopping it. I hope that helps. The moderators could probably explain better, but I think your best help is to go back and reread all the information in the documents, on the website, Dr. Brownstein’s book on iodine to help you understand. I have been on iodine for 2+ years and still reread them often, because I keep finding other things I don’t remember! Donna in IL From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of dinkameeusenSent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 9:52 AMiodine Subject: Help---can't find a sloution Well, everytime I try a tried-and-true solution for thyroid issues, it seems to have a worse or opposite effect. I am at my wits end and don't know what to do.I have had adrenal fatigue and hypothyroid for at least 3 years (had lab work 3 years ago that showed AF and hypo---but have been with symptoms for much longer time).1)First, in fall of 2008 I used hydrocortisone to address/heal the AF, but used no thyroid meds. This was to heal the adrenals first.2)I was warned by 2 health practitioners to get off of HC because of it's bad side effect---which I had lots of bad side effects---even from taking only 25mg HC perday in 4 divided doses ). It thinned my skin (rapid aging---skin now looks like I am 70 years old and I'm only in my 50's)turned my muscles to mush, put on 20 pounds, caused depression,fluid retention,etc.3) Summer of 2009 I started taking natural dessicaated thyroid hormone in low doses, but I ended up with it pooling in my blood and elevated rT3---and had to get back on HC and take Cynomel in 2010 to clear the rT3 out of my system.4) By fall 2010 I got the rT3 reduced to a normal level so I quit taking Cynomel. And stayed on low levels of HC---about 10 to 15mg HC.5)I still had hypothyroidism which needed to be treated. I couldn't use Natural thyroid hormone meds beyond about 45mg 3x a week. any more than that, and I got peripheral neuropathy and heart palpitations.6) So, at this point: fall 2010 the HC and NTH never got rid of my hypothyroidism.7)So spring of this year I tried iodoral with my 12.5mg HC daily. For the first 6+ weeks, I had very good results with the iodoral---most of my hypo symptoms went away!!!8) At about the 8 week point of using iodoral, my hypothyroid symptoms not only came back---but came back way worse than they had been for 2 years previous. So I quit the iodoral.I was still using about 10mg of HC per day...in divided doses.9)After quitting the iodoral, my hypothroidism symptoms reduced to about where they have been since 2008. Thinning scalp hair, dry hair, acne/dry skin, low average body temp (averaging about 98.1 per day), chubby, sleepy-foggy-groggy, edema in my lower legs, digestion issues.10) So then I figured maybe the iodoral quit working due to lack of companion nutrients---but I checked my vitamins and minerals that I was taking already---and I was on optimal companion nutrients already---but I did take a little more vit-C and a little more selenium after that.11)I tried an OTC liver flush nutriceutical that contained dandelion , burdock, milk thistle...the directions said to take 3 capsules 2x per day (3 in morning, 3 in evening.) Because I am highly sensitive and prone to allergies to herbal stuff, I only took 2 capsules per day in the morning. It only made my hypothyroid symptoms WAY WORSE---and gave me pain and congestion in the liver/gallbladder area of my torso. and made me have to take more HC. Even on more HC---I have now worse leg edema, temps have gone down about 0.3 degree.12) If I take higher levels of HC, I get the HC side effects back.And if I take more than 20mg pr day of HC, my hypothyroid symptoms get worse.13)So----why is nothing working to make the hypothyroid symptoms go away? My body seems too sensitive even for low doses of liver flush. at least I am guessing that is a possibility---I don't know for sure. Maybe even low doses of liver flush make my need for HC skyrocket?14)my last resort is to try a liver flush with floressence tea. Maybe that is mild enough to not send me into worse AF and worse hypo.15) Has anyone here ever had to go through similar trial and error---with mostly things going worse than better? It's a cathc-22: If I go back to 25mg per day of HC---I might tolerate the liver flush better. No matter how much HC I ever took, I could never tolerate natural thyroid hormone without getting pooling, palpitaitons, and peripheral neuropathy. So something eles is making my body hypo---and my body did not want any NTH.I am sorry for the long post---but I am at my wits end. NTH is not the answer. Iodine was the answer until it quit working and made me more hypo. I am open to suggestions. Take more HC just for a short period of time---just long enough to get a complete liver lfush? Slow gentle liver flush because I am so sensitive to herbal stuff? Thank you, I appreciate any help.

[Guest guest]

Hi, I'm just a person struggling with my own health, but I've done a lot of

reading. Have you considered low iron levels as a factor?

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ferritin/

Pino

>

> Well, everytime I try a tried-and-true solution for thyroid issues, it seems

to have a worse or opposite effect. I am at my wits end and don't know what to

do.

> I have had adrenal fatigue and hypothyroid for at least 3 years (had lab work

3 years ago that showed AF and hypo---but have been with symptoms for much

longer time).

>

>

[Guest guest]

you need to take an adequate dose of Iodoral--50mg would be a minimum but perhaps you wanted to raise the dose slowly. try HC 5mg 4X a day. then add enough thyroid meds. (usually 180--300mg). this works. try to remember that you will need the right doses.

Gracia

Well, everytime I try a tried-and-true solution for thyroid issues, it seems to have a worse or opposite effect. I am at my wits end and don't know what to do.I have had adrenal fatigue and hypothyroid for at least 3 years (had lab work 3 years ago that showed AF and hypo---but have been with symptoms for much longer time).1)First, in fall of 2008 I used hydrocortisone to address/heal the AF, but used no thyroid meds. This was to heal the adrenals first.2)I was warned by 2 health practitioners to get off of HC because of it's bad side effect---which I had lots of bad side effects---even from taking only 25mg HC perday in 4 divided doses ). It thinned my skin (rapid aging---skin now looks like I am 70 years old and I'm only in my 50's)turned my muscles to mush, put on 20 pounds, caused depression,fluid retention,etc.3) Summer of 2009 I started taking natural dessicaated thyroid hormone in low doses, but I ended up with it pooling in my blood and elevated rT3---and had to get back on HC and take Cynomel in 2010 to clear the rT3 out of my system.4) By fall 2010 I got the rT3 reduced to a normal level so I quit taking Cynomel. And stayed on low levels of HC---about 10 to 15mg HC.5)I still had hypothyroidism which needed to be treated. I couldn't use Natural thyroid hormone meds beyond about 45mg 3x a week. any more than that, and I got peripheral neuropathy and heart palpitations.6) So, at this point: fall 2010 the HC and NTH never got rid of my hypothyroidism.7)So spring of this year I tried iodoral with my 12.5mg HC daily. For the first 6+ weeks, I had very good results with the iodoral---most of my hypo symptoms went away!!!8) At about the 8 week point of using iodoral, my hypothyroid symptoms not only came back---but came back way worse than they had been for 2 years previous. So I quit the iodoral.I was still using about 10mg of HC per day...in divided doses.9)After quitting the iodoral, my hypothroidism symptoms reduced to about where they have been since 2008. Thinning scalp hair, dry hair, acne/dry skin, low average body temp (averaging about 98.1 per day), chubby, sleepy-foggy-groggy, edema in my lower legs, digestion issues.10) So then I figured maybe the iodoral quit working due to lack of companion nutrients---but I checked my vitamins and minerals that I was taking already---and I was on optimal companion nutrients already---but I did take a little more vit-C and a little more selenium after that.11)I tried an OTC liver flush nutriceutical that contained dandelion , burdock, milk thistle...the directions said to take 3 capsules 2x per day (3 in morning, 3 in evening.) Because I am highly sensitive and prone to allergies to herbal stuff, I only took 2 capsules per day in the morning. It only made my hypothyroid symptoms WAY WORSE---and gave me pain and congestion in the liver/gallbladder area of my torso. and made me have to take more HC. Even on more HC---I have now worse leg edema, temps have gone down about 0.3 degree.12) If I take higher levels of HC, I get the HC side effects back.And if I take more than 20mg pr day of HC, my hypothyroid symptoms get worse.13)So----why is nothing working to make the hypothyroid symptoms go away? My body seems too sensitive even for low doses of liver flush. at least I am guessing that is a possibility---I don't know for sure. Maybe even low doses of liver flush make my need for HC skyrocket?14)my last resort is to try a liver flush with floressence tea. Maybe that is mild enough to not send me into worse AF and worse hypo.15) Has anyone here ever had to go through similar trial and error---with mostly things going worse than better? It's a cathc-22: If I go back to 25mg per day of HC---I might tolerate the liver flush better. No matter how much HC I ever took, I could never tolerate natural thyroid hormone without getting pooling, palpitaitons, and peripheral neuropathy. So something eles is making my body hypo---and my body did not want any NTH.I am sorry for the long post---but I am at my wits end. NTH is not the answer. Iodine was the answer until it quit working and made me more hypo. I am open to suggestions. Take more HC just for a short period of time---just long enough to get a complete liver lfush? Slow gentle liver flush because I am so sensitive to herbal stuff? Thank you, I appreciate any help.