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I thought Carlson and Nordic Naturals both followed good practices and were excellent products.  JaxiOn Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:27 AM, clairewest <clairewest@...> wrote:

,

Now that the only good, non-fermented oil (Quantum) is no longer

available, I think it's fair to say the Green Pastures fermented

kind is the only real, unprocessed c.l.o. out there The info is

given on the Weston Price site, where they are very careful about

substantian of reporting.

On 8/12/2011 10:49 PM, B wrote:

 

I have never heard this and without some kind of source

from you to support

these statements I'm going to have to say NO WAY. I have

never ever heard

of this and I've been around dietary/nutritional

supplementation for decades.

Does anyone know? I just don't see that being true.

--

At 09:37 PM 8/12/2011, you wrote:

>Just wanted to add ...that as I understand it ALL cod

liver oil EXCEPT ONE

>on the market has had its Vitamin A and D taken out

and replaced with

>either synthetic or cheaper versions of A &

D....and often, most

>importantly, have been formulated with the incorrect

ratio of Vitamin D to

>vitamin A.

>

>Here's a link to the only supplier of properly made

cod liver oil...there

>is a butter oil and cod liver oil blend in there too.

>This is the one the women used to heal her son's tooth

cavity.

>

>

>http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Home/index.cfm

>

>It is expensive but it is the best. And the one and

only brand made

>properly...if someone can prove me wrong on this

please do, I would love

>to know of more economic options :)

>

>christen

>

>

>

> >

> > Anne,

> >

> > Your understanding about the processes are

correct, but the crucial

> > difference is that commerical ghee is not

usually (if at all) from

> > grass fed cows -- so no K2. Heat, however, is

not significant with

> > regard to K2 (though highly detrimental re: the

overall nutrient value

> > of the butter).

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

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>

>

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Jaxi,

I'm just going on memory here, but as I recall Carlson is general,

esp. liquid form, did not rate well on the Weston Price site. There

was some reason theCarlson capsules made it to the "good" -- but not

best list. I don't remember Nordic on the list, but I believe I

called the company and learned the A and D were replaced. Sorry all

this research was so long ago, I'm foggy on it.

On 8/13/2011 7:14 AM, jaxi wrote:

I thought Carlson and Nordic Naturals both followed good

practices and were excellent products.

Jaxi

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:27 AM,

clairewest <clairewest@...>

wrote:

,

Now that the only good, non-fermented oil (Quantum)

is no longer available, I think it's fair to say the

Green Pastures fermented kind is the only real,

unprocessed c.l.o. out there The info is given on

the Weston Price site, where they are very careful

about substantian of reporting.

On 8/12/2011 10:49 PM, B wrote:

I have never heard this and without some

kind of source from you to support

these statements I'm going to have to say

NO WAY. I have never ever heard

of this and I've been around

dietary/nutritional supplementation for

decades.

Does anyone know? I just don't see that

being true.

--

At 09:37 PM 8/12/2011, you wrote:

>Just wanted to add ...that as I

understand it ALL cod liver oil EXCEPT ONE

>on the market has had its Vitamin A

and D taken out and replaced with

>either synthetic or cheaper versions

of A & D....and often, most

>importantly, have been formulated with

the incorrect ratio of Vitamin D to

>vitamin A.

>

>Here's a link to the only supplier of

properly made cod liver oil...there

>is a butter oil and cod liver oil

blend in there too.

>This is the one the women used to heal

her son's tooth cavity.

>

>

>http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Home/index.cfm

>

>It is expensive but it is the best.

And the one and only brand made

>properly...if someone can prove me

wrong on this please do, I would love

>to know of more economic options :)

>

>christen

>

>

>

> >

> > Anne,

> >

> > Your understanding about the

processes are correct, but the crucial

> > difference is that commerical

ghee is not usually (if at all) from

> > grass fed cows -- so no K2.

Heat, however, is not significant with

> > regard to K2 (though highly

detrimental re: the overall nutrient value

> > of the butter).

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to the

IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>

>The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the

list)

>iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ%20FIRST/

>

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A quick check for your liquid clo: my old Quantum bottle shows 1/2

teaspoon having D3 625 IU, vitamin A: 6,250 IU. Note that this is

for a half teaspoon. Most commercial clo shows less than

these amounts for 1 full teaspoon. That alone signified the

natural product has been tampered with.

On 8/13/2011 7:31 AM, clairewest wrote:

Jaxi,

I'm just going on memory here, but as I recall Carlson is

general, esp. liquid form, did not rate well on the Weston

Price site. There was some reason theCarlson capsules

made it to the "good" -- but not best list. I don't

remember Nordic on the list, but I believe I called the

company and learned the A and D were replaced. Sorry all

this research was so long ago, I'm foggy on it.

On 8/13/2011 7:14 AM, jaxi wrote:

I thought Carlson and Nordic Naturals both followed

good practices and were excellent products.

Jaxi

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:27

AM, clairewest <clairewest@...>

wrote:

,

Now that the only good, non-fermented oil

(Quantum) is no longer available, I think it's

fair to say the Green Pastures fermented kind is

the only real, unprocessed c.l.o. out there The

info is given on the Weston Price site, where

they are very careful about substantian of

reporting.

On 8/12/2011 10:49 PM, B wrote:

I have never heard this and without

some kind of source from you to

support

these statements I'm going to have to

say NO WAY. I have never ever heard

of this and I've been around

dietary/nutritional supplementation

for decades.

Does anyone know? I just don't see

that being true.

--

At 09:37 PM 8/12/2011, you wrote:

>Just wanted to add ...that as I

understand it ALL cod liver oil EXCEPT

ONE

>on the market has had its Vitamin

A and D taken out and replaced with

>either synthetic or cheaper

versions of A & D....and often,

most

>importantly, have been formulated

with the incorrect ratio of Vitamin D

to

>vitamin A.

>

>Here's a link to the only supplier

of properly made cod liver oil...there

>is a butter oil and cod liver oil

blend in there too.

>This is the one the women used to

heal her son's tooth cavity.

>

>

>http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Home/index.cfm

>

>It is expensive but it is the

best. And the one and only brand made

>properly...if someone can prove me

wrong on this please do, I would love

>to know of more economic options

:)

>

>christen

>

>

>

> >

> > Anne,

> >

> > Your understanding about the

processes are correct, but the crucial

> > difference is that

commerical ghee is not usually (if at

all) from

> > grass fed cows -- so no K2.

Heat, however, is not significant with

> > regard to K2 (though highly

detrimental re: the overall nutrient

value

> > of the butter).

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to

the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>

>The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the

list)

>iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ%20FIRST/

>

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So you're saying the cod liver oil I bought recently is not natural? That

seems weird to me. Why aren't they required to state as much on the

label? Or are they, and I'm just not interpreting it correctly?

--V

At 08:27 AM 8/13/2011, you wrote:

>,

>

>Now that the only good, non-fermented oil (Quantum) is no longer

>available, I think it's fair to say the Green Pastures fermented kind is

>the only real, unprocessed c.l.o. out there The info is given on the

>Weston Price site, where they are very careful about substantian of reporting.

>

>

>

>On 8/12/2011 10:49 PM, B wrote:

>>

>>

>>I have never heard this and without some kind of source from you to support

>>these statements I'm going to have to say NO WAY. I have never ever heard

>>of this and I've been around dietary/nutritional supplementation for decades.

>>

>>Does anyone know? I just don't see that being true.

>>

>>--

>>

>>At 09:37 PM 8/12/2011, you wrote:

>> >Just wanted to add ...that as I understand it ALL cod liver oil EXCEPT ONE

>> >on the market has had its Vitamin A and D taken out and replaced with

>> >either synthetic or cheaper versions of A & D....and often, most

>> >importantly, have been formulated with the incorrect ratio of Vitamin D to

>> >vitamin A.

>> >

>> >Here's a link to the only supplier of properly made cod liver oil...there

>> >is a butter oil and cod liver oil blend in there too.

>> >This is the one the women used to heal her son's tooth cavity.

>> >

>> >

>> ><http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Home/index.cfm>http://www.greenpastu

>> re.org/public/Home/index.cfm

>> >

>> >It is expensive but it is the best. And the one and only brand made

>> >properly...if someone can prove me wrong on this please do, I would love

>> >to know of more economic options :)

>> >

>> >christen

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > >

>> > > Anne,

>> > >

>> > > Your understanding about the processes are correct, but the crucial

>> > > difference is that commerical ghee is not usually (if at all) from

>> > > grass fed cows -- so no K2. Heat, however, is not significant with

>> > > regard to K2 (though highly detrimental re: the overall nutrient value

>> > > of the butter).

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >------------------------------------

>> >

>> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>> >group

>>

<IodineOT/>http://health./g\

roup/IodineOT/

>> >

>> >

>> >The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list)

>> ><iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20

>>

-%20READ%20FIRST/>iodine/files/01%20NEW%20M\

EMBERS%20-%20READ%20FIRST/

>>

>> >

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,

I think it's easy to be misled on all this. Sometimes, for

instance, the ads talk about the clean waters of Norway, or a

minimally processed raw oil, -- never the synthetic vitamins they've

added (sometimes the wrong D!). But If you don't want to check

through on the Price site (it is a lot to wade through, which is why

I'm not going there right now for the exact info), then try calling

the company. They may not be willing to say what the replacement is

made of (sometimes the wrong D, but almost always the wrong ratio to

A, which is important), but they may be willing to admit that the A

and D are replacements. I have no idea what they are by law

expected to reveal.

I'm feeling a bit guilty talking so much about this -- as a not

strictly iodine topic, but, as you're a moderator, I'll leave the

possibility ofits being "off-topic" to you. :)

8/13/2011 7:53 AM, B wrote:

So you're saying the cod liver oil I bought recently is

not natural? That

seems weird to me. Why aren't they required to state as

much on the

label? Or are they, and I'm just not interpreting it

correctly?

--V

At 08:27 AM 8/13/2011, you wrote:

>,

>

>Now that the only good, non-fermented oil (Quantum) is

no longer

>available, I think it's fair to say the Green Pastures

fermented kind is

>the only real, unprocessed c.l.o. out there The info

is given on the

>Weston Price site, where they are very careful about

substantian of reporting.

>

>

>

>On 8/12/2011 10:49 PM, B wrote:

>>

>>

>>I have never heard this and without some kind of

source from you to support

>>these statements I'm going to have to say NO WAY.

I have never ever heard

>>of this and I've been around dietary/nutritional

supplementation for decades.

>>

>>Does anyone know? I just don't see that being

true.

>>

>>--

>>

>>At 09:37 PM 8/12/2011, you wrote:

>> >Just wanted to add ...that as I understand it

ALL cod liver oil EXCEPT ONE

>> >on the market has had its Vitamin A and D

taken out and replaced with

>> >either synthetic or cheaper versions of A

& D....and often, most

>> >importantly, have been formulated with the

incorrect ratio of Vitamin D to

>> >vitamin A.

>> >

>> >Here's a link to the only supplier of

properly made cod liver oil...there

>> >is a butter oil and cod liver oil blend in

there too.

>> >This is the one the women used to heal her

son's tooth cavity.

>> >

>> >

>> ><http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Home/index.cfm>http://www.greenpastu

>> re.org/public/Home/index.cfm

>> >

>> >It is expensive but it is the best. And the

one and only brand made

>> >properly...if someone can prove me wrong on

this please do, I would love

>> >to know of more economic options :)

>> >

>> >christen

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > >

>> > > Anne,

>> > >

>> > > Your understanding about the processes

are correct, but the crucial

>> > > difference is that commerical ghee is

not usually (if at all) from

>> > > grass fed cows -- so no K2. Heat,

however, is not significant with

>> > > regard to K2 (though highly detrimental

re: the overall nutrient value

>> > > of the butter).

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >------------------------------------

>> >

>> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>> >group

>> <IodineOT/>IodineOT/

>> >

>> >

>> >The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list)

>> ><iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20

>> -%20READ%20FIRST/>iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ%20FIRST/

>>

>> >

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Sorry, you're right, . It's OT. I got carried away.

Let's agree to let this topic expire ;)

--V

At 10:12 AM 8/13/2011, you wrote:

>,

>

>I think it's easy to be misled on all this. Sometimes, for instance, the

>ads talk about the clean waters of Norway, or a minimally processed raw

>oil, -- never the synthetic vitamins they've added (sometimes the wrong

>D!). But If you don't want to check through on the Price site (it is a

>lot to wade through, which is why I'm not going there right now for the

>exact info), then try calling the company. They may not be willing to say

>what the replacement is made of (sometimes the wrong D, but almost always

>the wrong ratio to A, which is important), but they may be willing to

>admit that the A and D are replacements. I have no idea what they are by

>law expected to reveal.

>

>I'm feeling a bit guilty talking so much about this -- as a not strictly

>iodine topic, but, as you're a moderator, I'll leave the possibility ofits

>being " off-topic " to you. :)

>

>

>

> 8/13/2011 7:53 AM, B wrote:

>>

>>

>>So you're saying the cod liver oil I bought recently is not natural? That

>>seems weird to me. Why aren't they required to state as much on the

>>label? Or are they, and I'm just not interpreting it correctly?

>>

>>--V

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I'll have to go and find where I found that information as it is something I

learned about a year ago. I will provide you with the links when I can find

them.

Sorry didn't mean to alarm you.

christen

> >Just wanted to add ...that as I understand it ALL cod liver oil EXCEPT ONE

> >on the market has had its Vitamin A and D taken out and replaced with

> >either synthetic or cheaper versions of A & D....and often, most

> >importantly, have been formulated with the incorrect ratio of Vitamin D to

> >vitamin A.

> >

> >Here's a link to the only supplier of properly made cod liver oil...there

> >is a butter oil and cod liver oil blend in there too.

> >This is the one the women used to heal her son's tooth cavity.

> >

> >

> >http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Home/index.cfm

> >

> >It is expensive but it is the best. And the one and only brand made

> >properly...if someone can prove me wrong on this please do, I would love

> >to know of more economic options :)

> >

> >christen

> >

> >

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I hope this message gets through...alot of my messages never seem to turn up..??

very odd.

Anyway here are the bits from Western A Price that refer to the way CLO is

manufactured. Carlson's brand, I think,falls into the GOOD catorgory but not

BEST because it has had it's vitamin A & D replaced with synthetic

versions...however they have done so in the correct ratios.

Brand Recommendations

" Most brands of cod liver oil go through a process that removes all of the

natural vitamins. The resultant product contains very low levels of vitamin A

and virtually no vitamin D. Some manufacturers add manufactured vitamins A and D

to the purified cod liver oil and until recently, one manufacturer added the

natural vitamins removed during processing back into the cod liver oil.

Fortunately, we now have available in the U.S. a naturally produced, unheated,

fermented high-vitamin cod liver oil that is made using a filtering process that

retains the natural vitamins.

The high-vitamin fermented cod liver oil is sold as a food so does not contain

vitamin levels on the label. However, after numerous tests, the approximate

values of A and D have been ascertained at 1900 IU vitamin A per mL and 390 IU

vitamin D per mL. Thus 1 teaspoon of high-vitamin fermented cod liver oil

contains 9500 IU vitamin A and 1950 IU vitamin D, a ratio of about 5:1. "

Here's the link for the full information on this one:

http://www.westonaprice.org/cod-liver-oil/cod-liver-oil-basics-and-recommendatio\

ns

AND the other piece on CLO manufacturing from WAPF....

" Thus, the cod liver oils on the market today fall into one of four categories:

Fully cleaned and deodorized with nothing added back in. These oils have a

reduced vitamin A content and virtually no vitamin D. This type of cod liver oil

might be appropriate for life guards and others who spend a lot of time in the

sun, and who want the benefits of vitamin

A, EPA and DHA without overdosing on vitamin D. But since vitamin D works

synergetically with vitamin A, this would not be a good choice for most of us.

Non-deodorized with a fair amount of natural

vitamin A and D left. According to the company website, Garden of Life cod liver

oil falls in this category. It contains 500-1500 IU vitamin A per gram

(2500-7500 IU per teaspoon) and 100-175 IU vitamin D per gram (500-875 IU per

teaspoon).

Fully cleaned and deodorized cod liver oil with synthetic vitamins added back

in. Most of the cod liver oils on the market fall into this category. (You'll

need to check with the individual manufacturer to verify whether their cod liver

oil falls in this category.) These vary in dose from about 1100 to 4600 IU

vitamin A per teaspoon and 180 to 460 IU vitamin D per teaspoon.

Fully cleaned and deodorized, with natural vitamins added back in, standardized

at 2340 IU vitamin A per gram (11,700 IU per teaspoon) and 234 IU vitamin D

(1170 IU per teaspoon). This is the type of cod liver oil sold as Blue Ice and

by Radiant Life and Dr. Ron's UltraPure. "

Here's this link for the full information

http://www.westonaprice.org/cod-liver-oil/cod-liver-oil-manufacturing

That's all I should add on this topic as someone else mentioned it has gone OT

now :)

Christen

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WAP info on cod liver oil:

http://www.westonaprice.org/cod-liver-oil/cod-liver-oil-basics-and-recommendatio\

ns

Green Pastures is one of the recommended sources, but not the only one.

Linn

>

> On 8/12/2011 10:49 PM, B wrote:

> >

> > I have never heard this and without some kind of source from you to

> > support

> > these statements I'm going to have to say NO WAY. I have never ever heard

> > of this and I've been around dietary/nutritional supplementation for

> > decades.

> >

> > Does anyone know? I just don't see that being true.

> >

> > --

> >

> > At 09:37 PM 8/12/2011, you wrote:

> > >Just wanted to add ...that as I understand it ALL cod liver oil

> > EXCEPT ONE

> > >on the market has had its Vitamin A and D taken out and replaced with

> > >either synthetic or cheaper versions of A & D....and often, most

> > >importantly, have been formulated with the incorrect ratio of Vitamin

> > D to

> > >vitamin A.

> > >

> > >Here's a link to the only supplier of properly made cod liver

> > oil...there

> > >is a butter oil and cod liver oil blend in there too.

> > >This is the one the women used to heal her son's tooth cavity.

> > >

> > >

> > >http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Home/index.cfm

> > >

> > >It is expensive but it is the best. And the one and only brand made

> > >properly...if someone can prove me wrong on this please do, I would love

> > >to know of more economic options :)

> > >

> > >christen

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Anne,

> > > >

> > > > Your understanding about the processes are correct, but the crucial

> > > > difference is that commerical ghee is not usually (if at all) from

> > > > grass fed cows -- so no K2. Heat, however, is not significant with

> > > > regard to K2 (though highly detrimental re: the overall nutrient value

> > > > of the butter).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >------------------------------------

> > >

> > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

> > >group IodineOT/

> > >

> > >

> > >The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list)

> >

>iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ\

%20FIRST/

> >

> > >

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