Guest guest Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 I thought Carlson and Nordic Naturals both followed good practices and were excellent products. JaxiOn Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:27 AM, clairewest <clairewest@...> wrote: , Now that the only good, non-fermented oil (Quantum) is no longer available, I think it's fair to say the Green Pastures fermented kind is the only real, unprocessed c.l.o. out there The info is given on the Weston Price site, where they are very careful about substantian of reporting. On 8/12/2011 10:49 PM, B wrote: I have never heard this and without some kind of source from you to support these statements I'm going to have to say NO WAY. I have never ever heard of this and I've been around dietary/nutritional supplementation for decades. Does anyone know? I just don't see that being true. -- At 09:37 PM 8/12/2011, you wrote: >Just wanted to add ...that as I understand it ALL cod liver oil EXCEPT ONE >on the market has had its Vitamin A and D taken out and replaced with >either synthetic or cheaper versions of A & D....and often, most >importantly, have been formulated with the incorrect ratio of Vitamin D to >vitamin A. > >Here's a link to the only supplier of properly made cod liver oil...there >is a butter oil and cod liver oil blend in there too. >This is the one the women used to heal her son's tooth cavity. > > >http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Home/index.cfm > >It is expensive but it is the best. And the one and only brand made >properly...if someone can prove me wrong on this please do, I would love >to know of more economic options > >christen > > > > > > > Anne, > > > > Your understanding about the processes are correct, but the crucial > > difference is that commerical ghee is not usually (if at all) from > > grass fed cows -- so no K2. Heat, however, is not significant with > > regard to K2 (though highly detrimental re: the overall nutrient value > > of the butter). > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT >group IodineOT/ > > >The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) >iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ%20FIRST/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Jaxi, I'm just going on memory here, but as I recall Carlson is general, esp. liquid form, did not rate well on the Weston Price site. There was some reason theCarlson capsules made it to the "good" -- but not best list. I don't remember Nordic on the list, but I believe I called the company and learned the A and D were replaced. Sorry all this research was so long ago, I'm foggy on it. On 8/13/2011 7:14 AM, jaxi wrote: I thought Carlson and Nordic Naturals both followed good practices and were excellent products. Jaxi On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:27 AM, clairewest <clairewest@...> wrote: , Now that the only good, non-fermented oil (Quantum) is no longer available, I think it's fair to say the Green Pastures fermented kind is the only real, unprocessed c.l.o. out there The info is given on the Weston Price site, where they are very careful about substantian of reporting. On 8/12/2011 10:49 PM, B wrote: I have never heard this and without some kind of source from you to support these statements I'm going to have to say NO WAY. I have never ever heard of this and I've been around dietary/nutritional supplementation for decades. Does anyone know? I just don't see that being true. -- At 09:37 PM 8/12/2011, you wrote: >Just wanted to add ...that as I understand it ALL cod liver oil EXCEPT ONE >on the market has had its Vitamin A and D taken out and replaced with >either synthetic or cheaper versions of A & D....and often, most >importantly, have been formulated with the incorrect ratio of Vitamin D to >vitamin A. > >Here's a link to the only supplier of properly made cod liver oil...there >is a butter oil and cod liver oil blend in there too. >This is the one the women used to heal her son's tooth cavity. > > >http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Home/index.cfm > >It is expensive but it is the best. And the one and only brand made >properly...if someone can prove me wrong on this please do, I would love >to know of more economic options > >christen > > > > > > > Anne, > > > > Your understanding about the processes are correct, but the crucial > > difference is that commerical ghee is not usually (if at all) from > > grass fed cows -- so no K2. Heat, however, is not significant with > > regard to K2 (though highly detrimental re: the overall nutrient value > > of the butter). > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT >group IodineOT/ > > >The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) >iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ%20FIRST/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 A quick check for your liquid clo: my old Quantum bottle shows 1/2 teaspoon having D3 625 IU, vitamin A: 6,250 IU. Note that this is for a half teaspoon. Most commercial clo shows less than these amounts for 1 full teaspoon. That alone signified the natural product has been tampered with. On 8/13/2011 7:31 AM, clairewest wrote: Jaxi, I'm just going on memory here, but as I recall Carlson is general, esp. liquid form, did not rate well on the Weston Price site. There was some reason theCarlson capsules made it to the "good" -- but not best list. I don't remember Nordic on the list, but I believe I called the company and learned the A and D were replaced. Sorry all this research was so long ago, I'm foggy on it. On 8/13/2011 7:14 AM, jaxi wrote: I thought Carlson and Nordic Naturals both followed good practices and were excellent products. Jaxi On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:27 AM, clairewest <clairewest@...> wrote: , Now that the only good, non-fermented oil (Quantum) is no longer available, I think it's fair to say the Green Pastures fermented kind is the only real, unprocessed c.l.o. out there The info is given on the Weston Price site, where they are very careful about substantian of reporting. On 8/12/2011 10:49 PM, B wrote: I have never heard this and without some kind of source from you to support these statements I'm going to have to say NO WAY. I have never ever heard of this and I've been around dietary/nutritional supplementation for decades. Does anyone know? I just don't see that being true. -- At 09:37 PM 8/12/2011, you wrote: >Just wanted to add ...that as I understand it ALL cod liver oil EXCEPT ONE >on the market has had its Vitamin A and D taken out and replaced with >either synthetic or cheaper versions of A & D....and often, most >importantly, have been formulated with the incorrect ratio of Vitamin D to >vitamin A. > >Here's a link to the only supplier of properly made cod liver oil...there >is a butter oil and cod liver oil blend in there too. >This is the one the women used to heal her son's tooth cavity. > > >http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Home/index.cfm > >It is expensive but it is the best. And the one and only brand made >properly...if someone can prove me wrong on this please do, I would love >to know of more economic options > >christen > > > > > > > Anne, > > > > Your understanding about the processes are correct, but the crucial > > difference is that commerical ghee is not usually (if at all) from > > grass fed cows -- so no K2. Heat, however, is not significant with > > regard to K2 (though highly detrimental re: the overall nutrient value > > of the butter). > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT >group IodineOT/ > > >The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) >iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ%20FIRST/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 So you're saying the cod liver oil I bought recently is not natural? That seems weird to me. Why aren't they required to state as much on the label? Or are they, and I'm just not interpreting it correctly? --V At 08:27 AM 8/13/2011, you wrote: >, > >Now that the only good, non-fermented oil (Quantum) is no longer >available, I think it's fair to say the Green Pastures fermented kind is >the only real, unprocessed c.l.o. out there The info is given on the >Weston Price site, where they are very careful about substantian of reporting. > > > >On 8/12/2011 10:49 PM, B wrote: >> >> >>I have never heard this and without some kind of source from you to support >>these statements I'm going to have to say NO WAY. I have never ever heard >>of this and I've been around dietary/nutritional supplementation for decades. >> >>Does anyone know? I just don't see that being true. >> >>-- >> >>At 09:37 PM 8/12/2011, you wrote: >> >Just wanted to add ...that as I understand it ALL cod liver oil EXCEPT ONE >> >on the market has had its Vitamin A and D taken out and replaced with >> >either synthetic or cheaper versions of A & D....and often, most >> >importantly, have been formulated with the incorrect ratio of Vitamin D to >> >vitamin A. >> > >> >Here's a link to the only supplier of properly made cod liver oil...there >> >is a butter oil and cod liver oil blend in there too. >> >This is the one the women used to heal her son's tooth cavity. >> > >> > >> ><http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Home/index.cfm>http://www.greenpastu >> re.org/public/Home/index.cfm >> > >> >It is expensive but it is the best. And the one and only brand made >> >properly...if someone can prove me wrong on this please do, I would love >> >to know of more economic options >> > >> >christen >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Anne, >> > > >> > > Your understanding about the processes are correct, but the crucial >> > > difference is that commerical ghee is not usually (if at all) from >> > > grass fed cows -- so no K2. Heat, however, is not significant with >> > > regard to K2 (though highly detrimental re: the overall nutrient value >> > > of the butter). >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >------------------------------------ >> > >> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT >> >group >> <IodineOT/>http://health./g\ roup/IodineOT/ >> > >> > >> >The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) >> ><iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20 >> -%20READ%20FIRST/>iodine/files/01%20NEW%20M\ EMBERS%20-%20READ%20FIRST/ >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 , I think it's easy to be misled on all this. Sometimes, for instance, the ads talk about the clean waters of Norway, or a minimally processed raw oil, -- never the synthetic vitamins they've added (sometimes the wrong D!). But If you don't want to check through on the Price site (it is a lot to wade through, which is why I'm not going there right now for the exact info), then try calling the company. They may not be willing to say what the replacement is made of (sometimes the wrong D, but almost always the wrong ratio to A, which is important), but they may be willing to admit that the A and D are replacements. I have no idea what they are by law expected to reveal. I'm feeling a bit guilty talking so much about this -- as a not strictly iodine topic, but, as you're a moderator, I'll leave the possibility ofits being "off-topic" to you. 8/13/2011 7:53 AM, B wrote: So you're saying the cod liver oil I bought recently is not natural? That seems weird to me. Why aren't they required to state as much on the label? Or are they, and I'm just not interpreting it correctly? --V At 08:27 AM 8/13/2011, you wrote: >, > >Now that the only good, non-fermented oil (Quantum) is no longer >available, I think it's fair to say the Green Pastures fermented kind is >the only real, unprocessed c.l.o. out there The info is given on the >Weston Price site, where they are very careful about substantian of reporting. > > > >On 8/12/2011 10:49 PM, B wrote: >> >> >>I have never heard this and without some kind of source from you to support >>these statements I'm going to have to say NO WAY. I have never ever heard >>of this and I've been around dietary/nutritional supplementation for decades. >> >>Does anyone know? I just don't see that being true. >> >>-- >> >>At 09:37 PM 8/12/2011, you wrote: >> >Just wanted to add ...that as I understand it ALL cod liver oil EXCEPT ONE >> >on the market has had its Vitamin A and D taken out and replaced with >> >either synthetic or cheaper versions of A & D....and often, most >> >importantly, have been formulated with the incorrect ratio of Vitamin D to >> >vitamin A. >> > >> >Here's a link to the only supplier of properly made cod liver oil...there >> >is a butter oil and cod liver oil blend in there too. >> >This is the one the women used to heal her son's tooth cavity. >> > >> > >> ><http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Home/index.cfm>http://www.greenpastu >> re.org/public/Home/index.cfm >> > >> >It is expensive but it is the best. And the one and only brand made >> >properly...if someone can prove me wrong on this please do, I would love >> >to know of more economic options >> > >> >christen >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Anne, >> > > >> > > Your understanding about the processes are correct, but the crucial >> > > difference is that commerical ghee is not usually (if at all) from >> > > grass fed cows -- so no K2. Heat, however, is not significant with >> > > regard to K2 (though highly detrimental re: the overall nutrient value >> > > of the butter). >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >------------------------------------ >> > >> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT >> >group >> <IodineOT/>IodineOT/ >> > >> > >> >The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) >> ><iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20 >> -%20READ%20FIRST/>iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ%20FIRST/ >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Sorry, you're right, . It's OT. I got carried away. Let's agree to let this topic expire --V At 10:12 AM 8/13/2011, you wrote: >, > >I think it's easy to be misled on all this. Sometimes, for instance, the >ads talk about the clean waters of Norway, or a minimally processed raw >oil, -- never the synthetic vitamins they've added (sometimes the wrong >D!). But If you don't want to check through on the Price site (it is a >lot to wade through, which is why I'm not going there right now for the >exact info), then try calling the company. They may not be willing to say >what the replacement is made of (sometimes the wrong D, but almost always >the wrong ratio to A, which is important), but they may be willing to >admit that the A and D are replacements. I have no idea what they are by >law expected to reveal. > >I'm feeling a bit guilty talking so much about this -- as a not strictly >iodine topic, but, as you're a moderator, I'll leave the possibility ofits >being " off-topic " to you. > > > > 8/13/2011 7:53 AM, B wrote: >> >> >>So you're saying the cod liver oil I bought recently is not natural? That >>seems weird to me. Why aren't they required to state as much on the >>label? Or are they, and I'm just not interpreting it correctly? >> >>--V ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste ~~~ Why do men fight for their servitude as stubbornly as though it were their salvation? ~~~~ --Gilles Deleuze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 I'll have to go and find where I found that information as it is something I learned about a year ago. I will provide you with the links when I can find them. Sorry didn't mean to alarm you. christen > >Just wanted to add ...that as I understand it ALL cod liver oil EXCEPT ONE > >on the market has had its Vitamin A and D taken out and replaced with > >either synthetic or cheaper versions of A & D....and often, most > >importantly, have been formulated with the incorrect ratio of Vitamin D to > >vitamin A. > > > >Here's a link to the only supplier of properly made cod liver oil...there > >is a butter oil and cod liver oil blend in there too. > >This is the one the women used to heal her son's tooth cavity. > > > > > >http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Home/index.cfm > > > >It is expensive but it is the best. And the one and only brand made > >properly...if someone can prove me wrong on this please do, I would love > >to know of more economic options > > > >christen > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 I hope this message gets through...alot of my messages never seem to turn up..?? very odd. Anyway here are the bits from Western A Price that refer to the way CLO is manufactured. Carlson's brand, I think,falls into the GOOD catorgory but not BEST because it has had it's vitamin A & D replaced with synthetic versions...however they have done so in the correct ratios. Brand Recommendations " Most brands of cod liver oil go through a process that removes all of the natural vitamins. The resultant product contains very low levels of vitamin A and virtually no vitamin D. Some manufacturers add manufactured vitamins A and D to the purified cod liver oil and until recently, one manufacturer added the natural vitamins removed during processing back into the cod liver oil. Fortunately, we now have available in the U.S. a naturally produced, unheated, fermented high-vitamin cod liver oil that is made using a filtering process that retains the natural vitamins. The high-vitamin fermented cod liver oil is sold as a food so does not contain vitamin levels on the label. However, after numerous tests, the approximate values of A and D have been ascertained at 1900 IU vitamin A per mL and 390 IU vitamin D per mL. Thus 1 teaspoon of high-vitamin fermented cod liver oil contains 9500 IU vitamin A and 1950 IU vitamin D, a ratio of about 5:1. " Here's the link for the full information on this one: http://www.westonaprice.org/cod-liver-oil/cod-liver-oil-basics-and-recommendatio\ ns AND the other piece on CLO manufacturing from WAPF.... " Thus, the cod liver oils on the market today fall into one of four categories: Fully cleaned and deodorized with nothing added back in. These oils have a reduced vitamin A content and virtually no vitamin D. This type of cod liver oil might be appropriate for life guards and others who spend a lot of time in the sun, and who want the benefits of vitamin A, EPA and DHA without overdosing on vitamin D. But since vitamin D works synergetically with vitamin A, this would not be a good choice for most of us. Non-deodorized with a fair amount of natural vitamin A and D left. According to the company website, Garden of Life cod liver oil falls in this category. It contains 500-1500 IU vitamin A per gram (2500-7500 IU per teaspoon) and 100-175 IU vitamin D per gram (500-875 IU per teaspoon). Fully cleaned and deodorized cod liver oil with synthetic vitamins added back in. Most of the cod liver oils on the market fall into this category. (You'll need to check with the individual manufacturer to verify whether their cod liver oil falls in this category.) These vary in dose from about 1100 to 4600 IU vitamin A per teaspoon and 180 to 460 IU vitamin D per teaspoon. Fully cleaned and deodorized, with natural vitamins added back in, standardized at 2340 IU vitamin A per gram (11,700 IU per teaspoon) and 234 IU vitamin D (1170 IU per teaspoon). This is the type of cod liver oil sold as Blue Ice and by Radiant Life and Dr. Ron's UltraPure. " Here's this link for the full information http://www.westonaprice.org/cod-liver-oil/cod-liver-oil-manufacturing That's all I should add on this topic as someone else mentioned it has gone OT now Christen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2011 Report Share Posted August 14, 2011 WAP info on cod liver oil: http://www.westonaprice.org/cod-liver-oil/cod-liver-oil-basics-and-recommendatio\ ns Green Pastures is one of the recommended sources, but not the only one. Linn > > On 8/12/2011 10:49 PM, B wrote: > > > > I have never heard this and without some kind of source from you to > > support > > these statements I'm going to have to say NO WAY. I have never ever heard > > of this and I've been around dietary/nutritional supplementation for > > decades. > > > > Does anyone know? I just don't see that being true. > > > > -- > > > > At 09:37 PM 8/12/2011, you wrote: > > >Just wanted to add ...that as I understand it ALL cod liver oil > > EXCEPT ONE > > >on the market has had its Vitamin A and D taken out and replaced with > > >either synthetic or cheaper versions of A & D....and often, most > > >importantly, have been formulated with the incorrect ratio of Vitamin > > D to > > >vitamin A. > > > > > >Here's a link to the only supplier of properly made cod liver > > oil...there > > >is a butter oil and cod liver oil blend in there too. > > >This is the one the women used to heal her son's tooth cavity. > > > > > > > > >http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Home/index.cfm > > > > > >It is expensive but it is the best. And the one and only brand made > > >properly...if someone can prove me wrong on this please do, I would love > > >to know of more economic options > > > > > >christen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne, > > > > > > > > Your understanding about the processes are correct, but the crucial > > > > difference is that commerical ghee is not usually (if at all) from > > > > grass fed cows -- so no K2. Heat, however, is not significant with > > > > regard to K2 (though highly detrimental re: the overall nutrient value > > > > of the butter). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > > > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT > > >group IodineOT/ > > > > > > > > >The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) > > >iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ\ %20FIRST/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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