Guest guest Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Any idea if rinsing with fluoridated mouthwash is OK? I have sensitive teeth and my periodontist was telling me about a mouthwash product that has high amounts of fluoride in it, which supposedly reduces sensitivity.Angie <insert witty or inspirational quote here> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Fluoride is a toxic poison. It is never okay! Best, Kathleen Fluoride mouthwash? Any idea if rinsing with fluoridated mouthwash is OK? I have sensitive teeth and my periodontist was telling me about a mouthwash product that has high amounts of fluoride in it, which supposedly reduces sensitivity. Angie <insert witty or inspirational quote here> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 On this same topic, daughter just got braces and the dentist gave her a perscription strength toothpaste with floride in it. Any suggestions other than using this. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Fluoride, besides being a poisonous toxic halide, also has been shown to NOT prevent tooth decay. There are many good toothpastes made without fluoride; I buy mine from iherb.com, or my local health food store. Also, a good old fashioned bar soap works great too. Some are making money by selling 'tooth soap', but even cheaper is to use the bar soap. You only need a tiny bit and it actually helps rebuild enamel ( or so some natural doctors and dentists claim). Baking soda works well too. Body chemistry has more to do with tooth decay than the kind of toothpaste that is used. But please...say NO to fluoride! Kathleen Re: Fluoride mouthwash? On this same topic, daughter just got braces and the dentist gave her a perscription strength toothpaste with floride in it. Any suggestions other than using this. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Don't use fluoride or sodium laurel sulfate. They are poisons. Just google them and you will find more info than you can stomach proving these to be poisons and not at all good for us.Go to Swansonvitamins.com and get peelu toothpaste or something like that from there that does not have these ingredients.From: Denice Tinsley <hostasrus@...>"iodine " <iodine >Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:05 PMSubject: Re: Fluoride mouthwash? On this same topic, daughter just got braces and the dentist gave her a perscription strength toothpaste with floride in it. Any suggestions other than using this. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 You absorb fluoride through your mouth. Instead, try " Restore " toothpaste by Dr. (available from Amazon). It has no fluoride, and I have found it much more effective than the fluoride stuff my dentist recommended for sensitivity. I like to take a small brush and put it right on the sensitive places. Cheryl > > Any idea if rinsing with fluoridated mouthwash is OK? I have > sensitive teeth and my periodontist was telling me about a mouthwash > product that has high amounts of fluoride in it, which supposedly > reduces sensitivity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I would avoid the Restore.  Glycerin blocks teeth from being able to remineralize and sodium lauryl sulphate is to be avoided as well. Active Ingredient: Novamin (Calcium Sodium Phosphosilicate) for Antihypersensitivity.Other Ingredients: Glycerin, Amorphous Silica, PEG 400, Sodium Lauryl Sulphate, Mint Flavor, Carbomer, Potassium Acesulfame, Titanium Dioxide. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Cheryl <cherylblack522@...> wrote: You absorb fluoride through your mouth. Instead, try " Restore " toothpaste by Dr. (available from Amazon).  It has no fluoride, and I have found it much more effective than the fluoride stuff my dentist recommended for sensitivity.  I like to take a small brush and put it right on the sensitive places. Cheryl > > Any idea if rinsing with fluoridated mouthwash is OK? I have > sensitive teeth and my periodontist was telling me about a mouthwash > product that has high amounts of fluoride in it, which supposedly > reduces sensitivity. ------------------------------------ All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group  IodineOT/ The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ%20FIRST/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Sensitive teeth are about demineralization & /or poor nutrition. Rinsing with poison will not remineralize your teeth or improve your nutrition. And in fact, I was given a high-fluoride toothpaste when I was young & foolish which was supposed to help with tooth sensitivity & did not.Somebody posted a good link recently about a mother who healed her son's cavities by giving him fermented cod liver oil & butter oil. Some of us have had good results brushing with tooth-soap, baking soda, salt, xylitol, etc.Magnesium is key to helping the body use calcium, & so is an important part of remineralizing teeth.Meanwhile, you are taking iodine to get old fluoride out of your body, so why would you put new fluoride INTO your body? Just as doctors are stuck with weird notions about iodine, dentists have been brainwashed about fluoride.AnneOn Aug 10, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Totten wrote: Any idea if rinsing with fluoridated mouthwash is OK? I have sensitive teeth and my periodontist was telling me about a mouthwash product that has high amounts of fluoride in it, which supposedly reduces sensitivity.Angie <insert witty or inspirational quote here> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 I stopped using fluoride toothpaste approx 20 years ago ....but lately everything (especially healthy stuff) has gotten so darn expensive. Does it make sense that a product that includes'fluoride' (something they insist is healthy for us) should cost LESS than the stuff that doesn't have this valuable ingredient in it?Infact fluoride is so cheap you can get 2 tubes for the price of oneat the 99 cents store.I did a search to find a homemade toothpaste and came across someonethat used Dr. Brommers 18 in 1 Hemp Peppermint. Since I already had someI mixed some with some D.E. and it has made an awesome toothpaste. Everyone that's tried it has really liked it and it leaves your teeth very clean. VERY economical too !!!Hugs,.PS BTW I had been using baking soda and a friend told me that's all her sisterused and she started having trouble with the enamel on her teeth. It kindafreaked me out. This isn't meant to scare anyone away from baking soda....I didn't get the whole story from her.... maybe her sister just 'over scrubbed'her teeth .... and so wearing away her enamel could have happened from usingordinary toothpaste as well. This is just meant as a 'caution.' I know this personfirst hand..... and so I believe what she said... I just don't know the details ofwhat went wrong with her sister. DE is also 'mildly' abrasive and so I don't really scrub too much (but I find I don't need to either) "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated"Mahatma GandhiFrom: Anne Seals <anneseals@...>iodine Sent: Wed, August 10, 2011 8:25:05 PMSubject: Re: Fluoride mouthwash? Sensitive teeth are about demineralization & /or poor nutrition. Rinsing with poison will not remineralize your teeth or improve your nutrition. And in fact, I was given a high-fluoride toothpaste when I was young & foolish which was supposed to help with tooth sensitivity & did not.Somebody posted a good link recently about a mother who healed her son's cavities by giving him fermented cod liver oil & butter oil. Some of us have had good results brushing with tooth-soap, baking soda, salt, xylitol, etc.Magnesium is key to helping the body use calcium, & so is an important part of remineralizing teeth.Meanwhile, you are taking iodine to get old fluoride out of your body, so why would you put new fluoride INTO your body? Just as doctors are stuck with weird notions about iodine, dentists have been brainwashed about fluoride.AnneOn Aug 10, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Totten wrote: Any idea if rinsing with fluoridated mouthwash is OK? I have sensitive teeth and my periodontist was telling me about a mouthwash product that has high amounts of fluoride in it, which supposedly reduces sensitivity.Angie <insert witty or inspirational quote here> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Have you heard of Spry? It is a great mouthwash with Xylitol, which has been shown to help with tooth decay and does not contain flouride. I also use Usana's toothpaste, as it has xylitol instead of flouride as well. As for sodium lauryl sulfate-I have a wonderfully researched book called Your Skin and You by Bea Kinnear. Bea has set out to separate fact from fiction when it comes to product ingredients. She has looked to the science. This is what she says in her book about SLS: " There has been a great deal of misinformation circulated on the internet about SLS. Used primarily as a detergent cleansing agent, SLS can be derived from coconut. Although it is a potent skin irritant, it is not toxic or dangerous for the skin. " M preventcanswers.org > > Don't use fluoride or sodium laurel sulfate. They are poisons. Just google them and you will find more info than you can stomach proving these to be poisons and not at all good for us. > > Go to Swansonvitamins.com and get peelu toothpaste or something like that from there that does not have these ingredients. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Denice Tinsley <hostasrus@...> > " iodine " <iodine > > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:05 PM > Subject: Re: Fluoride mouthwash? > > >  > On this same topic, daughter just got braces and the dentist gave her a perscription strength toothpaste with floride in it. Any suggestions other than using this. Thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Folks, can we tone down the catastrophe language a bit?. It's not helping me and it's actually quite a turn-off. I already try to avoid fluoride but wasn't sure if fluoride washed over the teeth is there long enough to be absorbed. For example, is it any worse than standing for 15 minutes is the shower bathing in fluoridated water, which I do? Magnesium is not solving my problems, and I'm pretty sure I do not have poor nutrition, although if there are specific foods to avoid I would be happy to hear them. Anybody have any products they recommend or alternatives for reducing teeth sensitivity? I already use a sensitive-teeth toothpaste that is natural and has no fluoride. I was considering my periodontist's suggestion simply because the natural approaches aren't working.Thanks again,AngieOn Aug 10, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Anne Seals wrote: Sensitive teeth are about demineralization & /or poor nutrition. Rinsing with poison will not remineralize your teeth or improve your nutrition. And in fact, I was given a high-fluoride toothpaste when I was young & foolish which was supposed to help with tooth sensitivity & did not.Somebody posted a good link recently about a mother who healed her son's cavities by giving him fermented cod liver oil & butter oil. Some of us have had good results brushing with tooth-soap, baking soda, salt, xylitol, etc.Magnesium is key to helping the body use calcium, & so is an important part of remineralizing teeth.Meanwhile, you are taking iodine to get old fluoride out of your body, so why would you put new fluoride INTO your body? Just as doctors are stuck with weird notions about iodine, dentists have been brainwashed about fluoride.AnneOn Aug 10, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Totten wrote: Any idea if rinsing with fluoridated mouthwash is OK? I have sensitive teeth and my periodontist was telling me about a mouthwash product that has high amounts of fluoride in it, which supposedly reduces sensitivity.Angie <insert witty or inspirational quote here> <insert witty or inspirational quote here> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Angie, Your response surprised me. I think Anne was genuinely concerned for you and gave you some very good advice (esp. using cod liver oil and butter oil) for sensitivity. If the word "poisonous" disturbed you, I can only say that is an accurate adjective - scientifically correct -- and not at all "over the top." Re: skin absorption vs. absorbtion through the mouth, I think it would be hard to say. The skin is the larger area, but the area under the tongue gives immediate access to the bloodstream.  Folks, can we tone down the catastrophe language a bit?. It's not helping me and it's actually quite a turn-off.  I already try to avoid fluoride but wasn't sure if fluoride washed over the teeth is there long enough to be absorbed.  For example, is it any worse than standing for 15 minutes is the shower bathing in fluoridated water, which I do? Magnesium is not solving my problems, and I'm pretty sure I do not have poor nutrition, although if there are specific foods to avoid I would be happy to hear them. Anybody have any products they recommend or alternatives for reducing teeth sensitivity? I already use a sensitive-teeth toothpaste that is natural and has no fluoride. I was considering my periodontist's suggestion simply because the natural approaches aren't working. Thanks again, Angie On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Anne Seals wrote:  Sensitive teeth are about demineralization & /or poor nutrition. Rinsing with poison will not remineralize your teeth or improve your nutrition. And in fact, I was given a high-fluoride toothpaste when I was young & foolish which was supposed to help with tooth sensitivity & did not. Somebody posted a good link recently about a mother who healed her son's cavities by giving him fermented cod liver oil & butter oil. Some of us have had good results brushing with tooth-soap, baking soda, salt, xylitol, etc. Magnesium is key to helping the body use calcium, & so is an important part of remineralizing teeth. Meanwhile, you are taking iodine to get old fluoride out of your body, so why would you put new fluoride INTO your body? Just as doctors are stuck with weird notions about iodine, dentists have been brainwashed about fluoride. Anne On Aug 10, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Totten wrote:  Any idea if rinsing with fluoridated mouthwash is OK? I have sensitive teeth and my periodontist was telling me about a mouthwash product that has high amounts of fluoride in it, which supposedly reduces sensitivity. Angie <insert witty or inspirational quote here> <insert witty or inspirational quote here> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 : the cod liver oil and butter oil were for cavities, not sensitivity. I have no cavities. We're going to have to disagree about the language (it was more than one person, btw, and I've been on this list long enough to have seen such things bandied about from time to time. It's not helpful).You make a good point about the tongue. Thank you.Any ideas for other products I could use instead?Thanks, Angie On Aug 11, 2011, at 5:16 PM, clairewest wrote: Angie, Your response surprised me. I think Anne was genuinely concerned for you and gave you some very good advice (esp. using cod liver oil and butter oil) for sensitivity. If the word "poisonous" disturbed you, I can only say that is an accurate adjective - scientifically correct -- and not at all "over the top." Re: skin absorption vs. absorbtion through the mouth, I think it would be hard to say. The skin is the larger area, but the area under the tongue gives immediate access to the bloodstream. Folks, can we tone down the catastrophe language a bit?. It's not helping me and it's actually quite a turn-off. I already try to avoid fluoride but wasn't sure if fluoride washed over the teeth is there long enough to be absorbed. For example, is it any worse than standing for 15 minutes is the shower bathing in fluoridated water, which I do? Magnesium is not solving my problems, and I'm pretty sure I do not have poor nutrition, although if there are specific foods to avoid I would be happy to hear them. Anybody have any products they recommend or alternatives for reducing teeth sensitivity? I already use a sensitive-teeth toothpaste that is natural and has no fluoride. I was considering my periodontist's suggestion simply because the natural approaches aren't working. Thanks again, Angie On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Anne Seals wrote: Sensitive teeth are about demineralization & /or poor nutrition. Rinsing with poison will not remineralize your teeth or improve your nutrition. And in fact, I was given a high-fluoride toothpaste when I was young & foolish which was supposed to help with tooth sensitivity & did not. Somebody posted a good link recently about a mother who healed her son's cavities by giving him fermented cod liver oil & butter oil. Some of us have had good results brushing with tooth-soap, baking soda, salt, xylitol, etc. Magnesium is key to helping the body use calcium, & so is an important part of remineralizing teeth. Meanwhile, you are taking iodine to get old fluoride out of your body, so why would you put new fluoride INTO your body? Just as doctors are stuck with weird notions about iodine, dentists have been brainwashed about fluoride. Anne On Aug 10, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Totten wrote: Any idea if rinsing with fluoridated mouthwash is OK? I have sensitive teeth and my periodontist was telling me about a mouthwash product that has high amounts of fluoride in it, which supposedly reduces sensitivity. Angie <insert witty or inspirational quote here> <insert witty or inspirational quote here> <insert witty or inspirational quote here> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Angie, The clo and butter oil are for remineralizing the teeth, thickening them actually, so they are no longer sensitive. This has worked, I think, for some people on this list who had sensitive teeth. IThe combo worked for me in terms of cleaning out and sealing over a very problematic cavity. Re: definitions, would you not agree that "poisonous" is, in the simplest sense, something destructive to the body? I'm sorry I can't recommend other products to you -- though there may be many out there -- because I try not to recommend anything I haven't personally been helped by. I hope you find the best thing for yourself. ,On 8/11/2011 2:55 PM, Totten wrote:  : the cod liver oil and butter oil were for cavities, not sensitivity. I have no cavities. We're going to have to disagree about the language (it was more than one person, btw, and I've been on this list long enough to have seen such things bandied about from time to time. It's not helpful). You make a good point about the tongue. Thank you. Any ideas for other products I could use instead? Thanks, Angie On Aug 11, 2011, at 5:16 PM, clairewest wrote:  Angie, Your response surprised me. I think Anne was genuinely concerned for you and gave you some very good advice (esp. using cod liver oil and butter oil) for sensitivity. If the word "poisonous" disturbed you, I can only say that is an accurate adjective - scientifically correct -- and not at all "over the top." Re: skin absorption vs. absorbtion through the mouth, I think it would be hard to say. The skin is the larger area, but the area under the tongue gives immediate access to the bloodstream.  Folks, can we tone down the catastrophe language a bit?. It's not helping me and it's actually quite a turn-off.  I already try to avoid fluoride but wasn't sure if fluoride washed over the teeth is there long enough to be absorbed.  For example, is it any worse than standing for 15 minutes is the shower bathing in fluoridated water, which I do? Magnesium is not solving my problems, and I'm pretty sure I do not have poor nutrition, although if there are specific foods to avoid I would be happy to hear them. Anybody have any products they recommend or alternatives for reducing teeth sensitivity? I already use a sensitive-teeth toothpaste that is natural and has no fluoride. I was considering my periodontist's suggestion simply because the natural approaches aren't working. Thanks again, Angie On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Anne Seals wrote:  Sensitive teeth are about demineralization & /or poor nutrition. Rinsing with poison will not remineralize your teeth or improve your nutrition. And in fact, I was given a high-fluoride toothpaste when I was young & foolish which was supposed to help with tooth sensitivity & did not. Somebody posted a good link recently about a mother who healed her son's cavities by giving him fermented cod liver oil & butter oil. Some of us have had good results brushing with tooth-soap, baking soda, salt, xylitol, etc. Magnesium is key to helping the body use calcium, & so is an important part of remineralizing teeth. Meanwhile, you are taking iodine to get old fluoride out of your body, so why would you put new fluoride INTO your body? Just as doctors are stuck with weird notions about iodine, dentists have been brainwashed about fluoride. Anne On Aug 10, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Totten wrote:  Any idea if rinsing with fluoridated mouthwash is OK? I have sensitive teeth and my periodontist was telling me about a mouthwash product that has high amounts of fluoride in it, which supposedly reduces sensitivity. Angie <insert witty or inspirational quote here> <insert witty or inspirational quote here> <insert witty or inspirational quote here> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Thanks, ! That's helpful. :-)AngieOn Aug 11, 2011, at 6:39 PM, clairewest wrote: Angie, The clo and butter oil are for remineralizing the teeth, thickening them actually, so they are no longer sensitive. This has worked, I think, for some people on this list who had sensitive teeth. IThe combo worked for me in terms of cleaning out and sealing over a very problematic cavity. Re: definitions, would you not agree that "poisonous" is, in the simplest sense, something destructive to the body? I'm sorry I can't recommend other products to you -- though there may be many out there -- because I try not to recommend anything I haven't personally been helped by. I hope you find the best thing for yourself. ,On 8/11/2011 2:55 PM, Totten wrote: : the cod liver oil and butter oil were for cavities, not sensitivity. I have no cavities. We're going to have to disagree about the language (it was more than one person, btw, and I've been on this list long enough to have seen such things bandied about from time to time. It's not helpful). You make a good point about the tongue. Thank you. Any ideas for other products I could use instead? Thanks, Angie On Aug 11, 2011, at 5:16 PM, clairewest wrote: Angie, Your response surprised me. I think Anne was genuinely concerned for you and gave you some very good advice (esp. using cod liver oil and butter oil) for sensitivity. If the word "poisonous" disturbed you, I can only say that is an accurate adjective - scientifically correct -- and not at all "over the top." Re: skin absorption vs. absorbtion through the mouth, I think it would be hard to say. The skin is the larger area, but the area under the tongue gives immediate access to the bloodstream. Folks, can we tone down the catastrophe language a bit?. It's not helping me and it's actually quite a turn-off. I already try to avoid fluoride but wasn't sure if fluoride washed over the teeth is there long enough to be absorbed. For example, is it any worse than standing for 15 minutes is the shower bathing in fluoridated water, which I do? Magnesium is not solving my problems, and I'm pretty sure I do not have poor nutrition, although if there are specific foods to avoid I would be happy to hear them. Anybody have any products they recommend or alternatives for reducing teeth sensitivity? I already use a sensitive-teeth toothpaste that is natural and has no fluoride. I was considering my periodontist's suggestion simply because the natural approaches aren't working. Thanks again, Angie On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Anne Seals wrote: Sensitive teeth are about demineralization & /or poor nutrition. Rinsing with poison will not remineralize your teeth or improve your nutrition. And in fact, I was given a high-fluoride toothpaste when I was young & foolish which was supposed to help with tooth sensitivity & did not. Somebody posted a good link recently about a mother who healed her son's cavities by giving him fermented cod liver oil & butter oil. Some of us have had good results brushing with tooth-soap, baking soda, salt, xylitol, etc. Magnesium is key to helping the body use calcium, & so is an important part of remineralizing teeth. Meanwhile, you are taking iodine to get old fluoride out of your body, so why would you put new fluoride INTO your body? Just as doctors are stuck with weird notions about iodine, dentists have been brainwashed about fluoride. Anne On Aug 10, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Totten wrote: Any idea if rinsing with fluoridated mouthwash is OK? I have sensitive teeth and my periodontist was telling me about a mouthwash product that has high amounts of fluoride in it, which supposedly reduces sensitivity. Angie <insert witty or inspirational quote here> <insert witty or inspirational quote here> <insert witty or inspirational quote here> <insert witty or inspirational quote here> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Wait - OK, so they are taken as supplements, or applied directly? Is any fish oil OK or does it have to be CLO? Where do you get butter oil (never heard of it)?-AngieOn Aug 11, 2011, at 6:39 PM, clairewest wrote: Angie, The clo and butter oil are for remineralizing the teeth, thickening them actually, so they are no longer sensitive. This has worked, I think, for some people on this list who had sensitive teeth. IThe combo worked for me in terms of cleaning out and sealing over a very problematic cavity. Re: definitions, would you not agree that "poisonous" is, in the simplest sense, something destructive to the body? I'm sorry I can't recommend other products to you -- though there may be many out there -- because I try not to recommend anything I haven't personally been helped by. I hope you find the best thing for yourself. ,On 8/11/2011 2:55 PM, Totten wrote: : the cod liver oil and butter oil were for cavities, not sensitivity. I have no cavities. We're going to have to disagree about the language (it was more than one person, btw, and I've been on this list long enough to have seen such things bandied about from time to time. It's not helpful). You make a good point about the tongue. Thank you. Any ideas for other products I could use instead? Thanks, Angie On Aug 11, 2011, at 5:16 PM, clairewest wrote: Angie, Your response surprised me. I think Anne was genuinely concerned for you and gave you some very good advice (esp. using cod liver oil and butter oil) for sensitivity. If the word "poisonous" disturbed you, I can only say that is an accurate adjective - scientifically correct -- and not at all "over the top." Re: skin absorption vs. absorbtion through the mouth, I think it would be hard to say. The skin is the larger area, but the area under the tongue gives immediate access to the bloodstream. Folks, can we tone down the catastrophe language a bit?. It's not helping me and it's actually quite a turn-off. I already try to avoid fluoride but wasn't sure if fluoride washed over the teeth is there long enough to be absorbed. For example, is it any worse than standing for 15 minutes is the shower bathing in fluoridated water, which I do? Magnesium is not solving my problems, and I'm pretty sure I do not have poor nutrition, although if there are specific foods to avoid I would be happy to hear them. Anybody have any products they recommend or alternatives for reducing teeth sensitivity? I already use a sensitive-teeth toothpaste that is natural and has no fluoride. I was considering my periodontist's suggestion simply because the natural approaches aren't working. Thanks again, Angie On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Anne Seals wrote: Sensitive teeth are about demineralization & /or poor nutrition. Rinsing with poison will not remineralize your teeth or improve your nutrition. And in fact, I was given a high-fluoride toothpaste when I was young & foolish which was supposed to help with tooth sensitivity & did not. Somebody posted a good link recently about a mother who healed her son's cavities by giving him fermented cod liver oil & butter oil. Some of us have had good results brushing with tooth-soap, baking soda, salt, xylitol, etc. Magnesium is key to helping the body use calcium, & so is an important part of remineralizing teeth. Meanwhile, you are taking iodine to get old fluoride out of your body, so why would you put new fluoride INTO your body? Just as doctors are stuck with weird notions about iodine, dentists have been brainwashed about fluoride. Anne On Aug 10, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Totten wrote: Any idea if rinsing with fluoridated mouthwash is OK? I have sensitive teeth and my periodontist was telling me about a mouthwash product that has high amounts of fluoride in it, which supposedly reduces sensitivity. Angie <insert witty or inspirational quote here> <insert witty or inspirational quote here> <insert witty or inspirational quote here> <insert witty or inspirational quote here> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Angie, The combo is ingested. If I remember right, only clo (as opposed to other fish oils) provides the quantity of D needed (and the corresponding high amount of vitamin A the D requires). The butter oil, which supplies the K2 (for all tooth/bone building) is quite expensive, but easily found online. If you have access to butter from pasture-fed cows, that can be used instead (but the cows have to be totally on grass which is where the K2 comes from). Another source, probably a much stronger one for K2, and cheaper, is the Japanese food natto (usually available in Asian market) but it is like very strong tasting cheese and you might have a problem with the smell and taste. Nattokinase plus K2 is also available in capsules. To learn more about all of this, even to the details of what kinds of clo are best (some commercial products sell all the natural D and A to supplement makers and replace it with some very questionable synthetics) -- I recommend the WestonPrice site which has a treasure trove of info on all this and a very good search engine: www.westonaprice.org/ There was also a very recent thread on this issue in the archives of this forum. Let me know if you have any questions.  On 8/11/2011 4:52 PM, Totten wrote:  Wait - OK, so they are taken as supplements, or applied directly? Is any fish oil OK or does it have to be CLO? Where do you get butter oil (never heard of it)? -Angie On Aug 11, 2011, at 6:39 PM, clairewest wrote:  Angie, The clo and butter oil are for remineralizing the teeth, thickening them actually, so they are no longer sensitive. This has worked, I think, for some people on this list who had sensitive teeth. IThe combo worked for me in terms of cleaning out and sealing over a very problematic cavity. Re: definitions, would you not agree that "poisonous" is, in the simplest sense, something destructive to the body? I'm sorry I can't recommend other products to you -- though there may be many out there -- because I try not to recommend anything I haven't personally been helped by. I hope you find the best thing for yourself. ,On 8/11/2011 2:55 PM, Totten wrote:  : the cod liver oil and butter oil were for cavities, not sensitivity. I have no cavities. We're going to have to disagree about the language (it was more than one person, btw, and I've been on this list long enough to have seen such things bandied about from time to time. It's not helpful). You make a good point about the tongue. Thank you. Any ideas for other products I could use instead? Thanks, Angie On Aug 11, 2011, at 5:16 PM, clairewest wrote:  Angie, Your response surprised me. I think Anne was genuinely concerned for you and gave you some very good advice (esp. using cod liver oil and butter oil) for sensitivity. If the word "poisonous" disturbed you, I can only say that is an accurate adjective - scientifically correct -- and not at all "over the top." Re: skin absorption vs. absorbtion through the mouth, I think it would be hard to say. The skin is the larger area, but the area under the tongue gives immediate access to the bloodstream.  Folks, can we tone down the catastrophe language a bit?. It's not helping me and it's actually quite a turn-off.  I already try to avoid fluoride but wasn't sure if fluoride washed over the teeth is there long enough to be absorbed.  For example, is it any worse than standing for 15 minutes is the shower bathing in fluoridated water, which I do? Magnesium is not solving my problems, and I'm pretty sure I do not have poor nutrition, although if there are specific foods to avoid I would be happy to hear them. Anybody have any products they recommend or alternatives for reducing teeth sensitivity? I already use a sensitive-teeth toothpaste that is natural and has no fluoride. I was considering my periodontist's suggestion simply because the natural approaches aren't working. Thanks again, Angie On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Anne Seals wrote:  Sensitive teeth are about demineralization & /or poor nutrition. Rinsing with poison will not remineralize your teeth or improve your nutrition. And in fact, I was given a high-fluoride toothpaste when I was young & foolish which was supposed to help with tooth sensitivity & did not. Somebody posted a good link recently about a mother who healed her son's cavities by giving him fermented cod liver oil & butter oil. Some of us have had good results brushing with tooth-soap, baking soda, salt, xylitol, etc. Magnesium is key to helping the body use calcium, & so is an important part of remineralizing teeth. Meanwhile, you are taking iodine to get old fluoride out of your body, so why would you put new fluoride INTO your body? Just as doctors are stuck with weird notions about iodine, dentists have been brainwashed about fluoride. Anne On Aug 10, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Totten wrote:  Any idea if rinsing with fluoridated mouthwash is OK? I have sensitive teeth and my periodontist was telling me about a mouthwash product that has high amounts of fluoride in it, which supposedly reduces sensitivity. 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Guest guest Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Oregano leaf tincture, 5 drops in small cup of water twice a daykeeps the dentist away.AliOn Aug 11, 2011, at 5:17 PM, clairewest wrote: Angie, The combo is ingested. If I remember right, only clo (as opposed to other fish oils) provides the quantity of D needed (and the corresponding high amount of vitamin A the D requires). The butter oil, which supplies the K2 (for all tooth/bone building) is quite expensive, but easily found online. If you have access to butter from pasture-fed cows, that can be used instead (but the cows have to be totally on grass which is where the K2 comes from). Another source, probably a much stronger one for K2, and cheaper, is the Japanese food natto (usually available in Asian market) but it is like very strong tasting cheese and you might have a problem with the smell and taste. Nattokinase plus K2 is also available in capsules. To learn more about all of this, even to the details of what kinds of clo are best (some commercial products sell all the natural D and A to supplement makers and replace it with some very questionable synthetics) -- I recommend the WestonPrice site which has a treasure trove of info on all this and a very good search engine: www.westonaprice.org/ There was also a very recent thread on this issue in the archives of this forum. Let me know if you have any questions. On 8/11/2011 4:52 PM, Totten wrote: Wait - OK, so they are taken as supplements, or applied directly? Is any fish oil OK or does it have to be CLO? Where do you get butter oil (never heard of it)? -Angie On Aug 11, 2011, at 6:39 PM, clairewest wrote: Angie, The clo and butter oil are for remineralizing the teeth, thickening them actually, so they are no longer sensitive. This has worked, I think, for some people on this list who had sensitive teeth. IThe combo worked for me in terms of cleaning out and sealing over a very problematic cavity. Re: definitions, would you not agree that "poisonous" is, in the simplest sense, something destructive to the body? I'm sorry I can't recommend other products to you -- though there may be many out there -- because I try not to recommend anything I haven't personally been helped by. I hope you find the best thing for yourself. ,On 8/11/2011 2:55 PM, Totten wrote: : the cod liver oil and butter oil were for cavities, not sensitivity. I have no cavities. We're going to have to disagree about the language (it was more than one person, btw, and I've been on this list long enough to have seen such things bandied about from time to time. It's not helpful). You make a good point about the tongue. Thank you. Any ideas for other products I could use instead? Thanks, Angie On Aug 11, 2011, at 5:16 PM, clairewest wrote: Angie, Your response surprised me. I think Anne was genuinely concerned for you and gave you some very good advice (esp. using cod liver oil and butter oil) for sensitivity. If the word "poisonous" disturbed you, I can only say that is an accurate adjective - scientifically correct -- and not at all "over the top." Re: skin absorption vs. absorbtion through the mouth, I think it would be hard to say. The skin is the larger area, but the area under the tongue gives immediate access to the bloodstream. Folks, can we tone down the catastrophe language a bit?. It's not helping me and it's actually quite a turn-off. I already try to avoid fluoride but wasn't sure if fluoride washed over the teeth is there long enough to be absorbed. For example, is it any worse than standing for 15 minutes is the shower bathing in fluoridated water, which I do? Magnesium is not solving my problems, and I'm pretty sure I do not have poor nutrition, although if there are specific foods to avoid I would be happy to hear them. Anybody have any products they recommend or alternatives for reducing teeth sensitivity? I already use a sensitive-teeth toothpaste that is natural and has no fluoride. I was considering my periodontist's suggestion simply because the natural approaches aren't working. Thanks again, Angie On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Anne Seals wrote: Sensitive teeth are about demineralization & /or poor nutrition. Rinsing with poison will not remineralize your teeth or improve your nutrition. And in fact, I was given a high-fluoride toothpaste when I was young & foolish which was supposed to help with tooth sensitivity & did not. Somebody posted a good link recently about a mother who healed her son's cavities by giving him fermented cod liver oil & butter oil. Some of us have had good results brushing with tooth-soap, baking soda, salt, xylitol, etc. Magnesium is key to helping the body use calcium, & so is an important part of remineralizing teeth. Meanwhile, you are taking iodine to get old fluoride out of your body, so why would you put new fluoride INTO your body? Just as doctors are stuck with weird notions about iodine, dentists have been brainwashed about fluoride. Anne On Aug 10, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Totten wrote: Any idea if rinsing with fluoridated mouthwash is OK? I have sensitive teeth and my periodontist was telling me about a mouthwash product that has high amounts of fluoride in it, which supposedly reduces sensitivity. Angie <insert witty or inspirational quote here> <insert witty or inspirational quote here> <insert witty or inspirational quote here> <insert witty or inspirational quote here> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 Why is that? Re: Fluoride mouthwash? Oregano leaf tincture, 5 drops in small cup of water twice a daykeeps the dentist away.AliOn Aug 11, 2011, at 5:17 PM, clairewest wrote:> Angie,> > The combo is ingested. If I remember right, only clo (as opposed to other fish oils) provides the quantity of D needed (and the corresponding high amount of vitamin A the D requires). The butter oil, which supplies the K2 (for all tooth/bone building) is quite expensive, but easily found online. If you have access to butter from pasture-fed cows, that can be used instead (but the cows have to be totally on grass which is where the K2 comes from). Another source, probably a much stronger one for K2, and cheaper, is the Japanese food natto (usually available in Asian market) but it is like very strong tasting cheese and you might have a problem with the smell and taste. Nattokinase plus K2 is also available in capsules.> > To learn more about all of this, even to the details of what kinds of clo are best (some commercial products sell all the natural D and A to supplement makers and replace it with some very questionable synthetics) -- I recommend the WestonPrice site which has a treasure trove of info on all this and a very good search engine: www.westonaprice.org/> There was also a very recent thread on this issue in the archives of this forum.> > Let me know if you have any questions.> > > > On 8/11/2011 4:52 PM, Totten wrote:> >> >> >> Wait - OK, so they are taken as supplements, or applied directly? Is any fish oil OK or does it have to be CLO? Where do you get butter oil (never heard of it)?>> >> -Angie>> >> On Aug 11, 2011, at 6:39 PM, clairewest wrote:>> >>> >>> Angie,>>> >>> The clo and butter oil are for remineralizing the teeth, thickening them actually, so they are no longer sensitive. This has worked, I think, for some people on this list who had sensitive teeth. IThe combo worked for me in terms of cleaning out and sealing over a very problematic cavity.>>> >>> Re: definitions, would you not agree that "poisonous" is, in the simplest sense, something destructive to the body?>>> >>> I'm sorry I can't recommend other products to you -- though there may be many out there -- because I try not to recommend anything I haven't personally been helped by.>>> >>> I hope you find the best thing for yourself. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ,On 8/11/2011 2:55 PM, Totten wrote:>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> : the cod liver oil and butter oil were for cavities, not sensitivity. I have no cavities. >>>> >>>> We're going to have to disagree about the language (it was more than one person, btw, and I've been on this list long enough to have seen such things bandied about from time to time. It's not helpful).>>>> >>>> You make a good point about the tongue. Thank you.>>>> >>>> Any ideas for other products I could use instead?>>>> >>>> Thanks, Angie >>>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2011, at 5:16 PM, clairewest wrote:>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Angie,>>>>> >>>>> Your response surprised me. I think Anne was genuinely concerned for you and gave you some very good advice (esp. using cod liver oil and butter oil) for sensitivity. If the word "poisonous" disturbed you, I can only say that is an accurate adjective - scientifically correct -- and not at all "over the top." >>>>> >>>>> Re: skin absorption vs. absorbtion through the mouth, I think it would be hard to say. The skin is the larger area, but the area under the tongue gives immediate access to the bloodstream.>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Folks, can we tone down the catastrophe language a bit?. It's not helping me and it's actually quite a turn-off. I already try to avoid fluoride but wasn't sure if fluoride washed over the teeth is there long enough to be absorbed. For example, is it any worse than standing for 15 minutes is the shower bathing in fluoridated water, which I do? >>>>>> >>>>>> Magnesium is not solving my problems, and I'm pretty sure I do not have poor nutrition, although if there are specific foods to avoid I would be happy to hear them. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anybody have any products they recommend or alternatives for reducing teeth sensitivity? I already use a sensitive-teeth toothpaste that is natural and has no fluoride. I was considering my periodontist's suggestion simply because the natural approaches aren't working.>>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks again,>>>>>> Angie>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Anne Seals wrote:>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sensitive teeth are about demineralization & /or poor nutrition. Rinsing with poison will not remineralize your teeth or improve your nutrition. And in fact, I was given a high-fluoride toothpaste when I was young & foolish which was supposed to help with tooth sensitivity & did not.>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Somebody posted a good link recently about a mother who healed her son's cavities by giving him fermented cod liver oil & butter oil. Some of us have had good results brushing with tooth-soap, baking soda, salt, xylitol, etc.>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Magnesium is key to helping the body use calcium, & so is an important part of remineralizing teeth.>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Meanwhile, you are taking iodine to get old fluoride out of your body, so why would you put new fluoride INTO your body? Just as doctors are stuck with weird notions about iodine, dentists have been brainwashed about fluoride.>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anne>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 10, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Totten wrote:>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any idea if rinsing with fluoridated mouthwash is OK? I have sensitive teeth and my periodontist was telling me about a mouthwash product that has high amounts of fluoride in it, which supposedly reduces sensitivity.>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 hi all, is butter oil same as "ghee" or "clarified butter"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any idea if rinsing with fluoridated mouthwash is OK? I have sensitive teeth and my periodontist was telling me about a mouthwash product that has high amounts of fluoride in it, which supposedly reduces sensitivity.>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 It is my understanding that ghee is made by heating, & it sounds like butter oil is derived (at least by some companies) by separating the components with a centrifuge. I don't know how meaningful this difference is, but I THINK that the butter oil is more concentrated? And heat sometimes destroys nutrients...Does anybody know more about this?AnneOn Aug 12, 2011, at 7:10 AM, Aisha Saquib wrote: hi all, is butter oil same as "ghee" or "clarified butter"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any idea if rinsing with fluoridated mouthwash is OK? I have sensitive teeth and my periodontist was telling me about a mouthwash product that has high amounts of fluoride in it, which supposedly reduces sensitivity.>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 Anne, Your understanding about the processes are correct, but the crucial difference is that commerical ghee is not usually (if at all) from grass fed cows -- so no K2. Heat, however, is not significant with regard to K2 (though highly detrimental re: the overall nutrient value of the butter). On 8/12/2011 11:57 AM, Anne Seals wrote:  It is my understanding that ghee is made by heating, & it sounds like butter oil is derived (at least by some companies) by separating the components with a centrifuge. I don't know how meaningful this difference is, but I THINK that the butter oil is more concentrated? And heat sometimes destroys nutrients... Does anybody know more about this? Anne On Aug 12, 2011, at 7:10 AM, Aisha Saquib wrote:  hi all,  is butter oil same as "ghee" or "clarified butter"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any idea if rinsing with fluoridated mouthwash is OK? I have sensitive teeth and my periodontist was telling me about a mouthwash product that has high amounts of fluoride in it, which supposedly reduces sensitivity. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 Just wanted to add ...that as I understand it ALL cod liver oil EXCEPT ONE on the market has had its Vitamin A and D taken out and replaced with either synthetic or cheaper versions of A & D....and often, most importantly, have been formulated with the incorrect ratio of Vitamin D to vitamin A. Here's a link to the only supplier of properly made cod liver oil...there is a butter oil and cod liver oil blend in there too. This is the one the women used to heal her son's tooth cavity. http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Home/index.cfm It is expensive but it is the best. And the one and only brand made properly...if someone can prove me wrong on this please do, I would love to know of more economic options christen > > Anne, > > Your understanding about the processes are correct, but the crucial > difference is that commerical ghee is not usually (if at all) from > grass fed cows -- so no K2. Heat, however, is not significant with > regard to K2 (though highly detrimental re: the overall nutrient value > of the butter). > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 I have never heard this and without some kind of source from you to support these statements I'm going to have to say NO WAY. I have never ever heard of this and I've been around dietary/nutritional supplementation for decades. Does anyone know? I just don't see that being true. -- At 09:37 PM 8/12/2011, you wrote: >Just wanted to add ...that as I understand it ALL cod liver oil EXCEPT ONE >on the market has had its Vitamin A and D taken out and replaced with >either synthetic or cheaper versions of A & D....and often, most >importantly, have been formulated with the incorrect ratio of Vitamin D to >vitamin A. > >Here's a link to the only supplier of properly made cod liver oil...there >is a butter oil and cod liver oil blend in there too. >This is the one the women used to heal her son's tooth cavity. > > >http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Home/index.cfm > >It is expensive but it is the best. And the one and only brand made >properly...if someone can prove me wrong on this please do, I would love >to know of more economic options > >christen > > > > > > > Anne, > > > > Your understanding about the processes are correct, but the crucial > > difference is that commerical ghee is not usually (if at all) from > > grass fed cows -- so no K2. Heat, however, is not significant with > > regard to K2 (though highly detrimental re: the overall nutrient value > > of the butter). > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT >group IodineOT/ > > >The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) >iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ\ %20FIRST/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 , Now that the only good, non-fermented oil (Quantum) is no longer available, I think it's fair to say the Green Pastures fermented kind is the only real, unprocessed c.l.o. out there The info is given on the Weston Price site, where they are very careful about substantian of reporting. On 8/12/2011 10:49 PM, B wrote: I have never heard this and without some kind of source from you to support these statements I'm going to have to say NO WAY. I have never ever heard of this and I've been around dietary/nutritional supplementation for decades. Does anyone know? I just don't see that being true. -- At 09:37 PM 8/12/2011, you wrote: >Just wanted to add ...that as I understand it ALL cod liver oil EXCEPT ONE >on the market has had its Vitamin A and D taken out and replaced with >either synthetic or cheaper versions of A & D....and often, most >importantly, have been formulated with the incorrect ratio of Vitamin D to >vitamin A. > >Here's a link to the only supplier of properly made cod liver oil...there >is a butter oil and cod liver oil blend in there too. >This is the one the women used to heal her son's tooth cavity. > > >http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Home/index.cfm > >It is expensive but it is the best. And the one and only brand made >properly...if someone can prove me wrong on this please do, I would love >to know of more economic options > >christen > > > > > > > Anne, > > > > Your understanding about the processes are correct, but the crucial > > difference is that commerical ghee is not usually (if at all) from > > grass fed cows -- so no K2. Heat, however, is not significant with > > regard to K2 (though highly detrimental re: the overall nutrient value > > of the butter). > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT >group IodineOT/ > > >The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) >iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ%20FIRST/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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