Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 You certainly ask some good questions. All of these were asked by me to the one who came up w/all this, S , at jsrl936@... or his website at www.jsrl936.com, where you should read and scan where all this came from. You can also call him at home: (he's retired) 219-763-1933. But I do suggest you look over the above first so that he'll feel you're somewhat familiar when you talk to him. You can eat whatever you want but during this 12 days you're so full of liquid you can't hold much more. I'm really not brave... I just checked out the above information very well. I'm 65 and 18 months ago had a PSA of over 11 and was diagnosed with prostate cancer. I had 5 weeks of radiation followed by radioactive seed implant. My PSA soon went down to .2.....for 14 months. Then it went up in 2-3 months to 5.9. A definate sign that it was back (it is an aggressive cancer ... I had a Gleason score of 8..very dangerous. I started taking cantron for the last 3 months and m PSA came down some and is around 5.1. My doctor said ordinarilly the PSA woulad be going up each month. But cantron is forever, but better than nothing, so when I became familiar with this I started it with hopes of a cure and not having to take cantron 5x a day for rest of my life. Of course I could get on hormone therapy (hot flashes, no sex, enlarged breasts) and get an immediate lowering of PSA but after 2-3 years it wears off and you go to chemo... I'd rather take a calculated risk for something better. In my last email to the group I told about Mike Fernandez' experience and " cure " with what I'm taking. His number is 956-722-4733. Best, JR Hi Jerry! I have been following your updates on the Cancer Cure website. You are indeed a brave soul! My husband has prostate cancer with metastases to several bones. His PSA recently reached a high of 14.5. He is now back on hormone therapy after being off for about 10 months. Are there any testimonials with respect to the use of Thiazolidine, particularly in advanced cases? What is your situation with the prostate cancer? During the course of these 12 days, are you allowed to eat anything or does it interfere with the treatment? Are you permitted to take any other vitamins or supplements? Are there any possible side effects? Are there certain people who should not try this? Thank you so much for the updates. I am most interested in the results as it sounds almost too good to be true. If it works, it certainly becomes another option for my husband- as drastic as it seems. Please keep me informed of your progress. Take care, Audrey Iwaszko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 1999 Report Share Posted August 31, 1999 Thanks Larry Clapp for your suggestions. One of your recommendation states: " visit the only site for prostate alternatives " . Well I did.. I read it three times and can't find anything on prostate replacement (alternative prostate). I wish I could, it would certainly enhance my sexlife. But thanks for trying anyway, Best, JR Jerry and Audrey-- You may want to check out proven alternatives on http://www.prostate90.com, including pc-spes, which usually rolls back metastacies. See also www.pc-spes.com. There are excellent support groups on both sites. Larry Larry Clapp, Ph.D., J.D. lclapp@... Author, " Prostate Health in 90 Days, Without Drugs or Surgery " , Hayhouse 9/97, currently the best selling prostate book, in 11th printing. Visit the only site for prostate alternatives, www.prostate90.com and join the only online, alternative, prostate support group. Re: Prostate Cancer You certainly ask some good questions. All of these were asked by me to the one who came up w/all this, S , at jsrl936@... or his website at www.jsrl936.com, where you should read and scan where all this came from. You can also call him at home: (he's retired) 219-763-1933. But I do suggest you look over the above first so that he'll feel you're somewhat familiar when you talk to him. You can eat whatever you want but during this 12 days you're so full of liquid you can't hold much more. I'm really not brave... I just checked out the above information very well. I'm 65 and 18 months ago had a PSA of over 11 and was diagnosed with prostate cancer. I had 5 weeks of radiation followed by radioactive seed implant. My PSA soon went down to .2.....for 14 months. Then it went up in 2-3 months to 5.9. A definate sign that it was back (it is an aggressive cancer ... I had a Gleason score of 8..very dangerous. I started taking cantron for the last 3 months and m PSA came down some and is around 5.1. My doctor said ordinarilly the PSA woulad be going up each month. But cantron is forever, but better than nothing, so when I became familiar with this I started it with hopes of a cure and not having to take cantron 5x a day for rest of my life. Of course I could get on hormone therapy (hot flashes, no sex, enlarged breasts) and get an immediate lowering of PSA but after 2-3 years it wears off and you go to chemo... I'd rather take a calculated risk for something better. In my last email to the group I told about Mike Fernandez' experience and " cure " with what I'm taking. His number is 956-722-4733. Best, JR ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: cures for cancer - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: cures for cancer - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 1999 Report Share Posted October 8, 1999 Melinda-- I am interested in your mention of progesterone cream for men. Is is formulated differently from progesterone cream for women (as used in menopausal hormone replacement therapy)? How would a man with prostrate cancer use it? I assume it's used an an anti-estrogen. Would a man use a daily dose, about the size of a quarter, on the skin, the same as a woman would for HRT? I much appreciate your many informative postings. Rosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 1999 Report Share Posted October 8, 1999 It has different ingredients specific to males. Go to http://www.health-world.com/health-world/proscreamfor.html to see ingredients or to purchase. Or, if you want to ask questions of the manufacturer, go to http://www.1kokoro.com/home.htm Melinda www.cancure.org Cancer Cure Foundation Re: Prostate cancer >Melinda-- >I am interested in your mention of progesterone cream for men. Is is >formulated differently from progesterone cream for women (as used in >menopausal hormone replacement therapy)? >How would a man with prostrate cancer use it? I assume it's used an an >anti-estrogen. Would a man use a daily dose, about the size of a quarter, on >the skin, the same as a woman would for HRT? >I much appreciate your many informative postings. >Rosy > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 1999 Report Share Posted December 12, 1999 Hi We must have heard the same infomercial. I've been taking " Beta Prostate " 1/2 tablet / day for several months, for prostate maintenance, not CA. I bought two and got one free. They have a bland but pleasant taste. NM On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:27:38 -0800 " ph Peppe, N.D. " <drpeppe@...> writes: >Anybody have a learned opinion of a product called " Beta Prostate " ? It >is made out of Beta Cita Sterol from sugar cane and they claim each >capsule (here we go) equals 3 pounds of Saw Palmetto's action against >BHT(not sure if I remember these being correct initials) the active >culprit of not only prostate cancer but baldness. Two capsules per >day. >Here's the phone # if we have any health net detectives with ability >to >ascertain if something is real or fictitious scam to get $$$. >800-335-9013. They said buy 2 and get one free and pennies a day but >never said a price on the half hour radio advertisement. Thanks, Love >and Godspeed, drpeppe@... >P.S. It was also reiterated Japanese men don't have prostate cancer >because they are not red meat/high fatty acids eaters. Carnivores and >chicken fried snake eaters, you supposed to sing now: " Say It Ain't >So " . > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to >unsubscribe > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Ask your questions here http://clickhere./click/2030 >Everyone has unanswered questions right? So do you! Need >free business advice, help with taxes, info on London? Our >experts will help, for FREE! > > > >-- Talk to your group with your own voice! >-- VoiceChatPage?listName=cures for cancer & m=1 > > ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2000 Report Share Posted January 4, 2000 There is a lot on the internet about the prostate, and about the PSA test. What you must look out for is a sudden change of PSA, more than 1 point in one year... If there is that change, you are still in plenty of time to find out what it is... it might be irritated, or it might be the start of a tumor... Prostate cancer grows very slowly, and one of the options when they confirm it is there is to do nothing, and just take frequent ultrasound readings or whatever else the doctors do, just to make sure it is confined to interior of the prostate. It is as if it is inside a walnut. If the prostate tumor is confined inside the nut, it is under control... If it starts to grow out, before it breaks out, then is the time to take another decision: treatment with radiation, or surgery, etc. Also, when the prostate is " small " it has a reading of less than 1 and 1.something... but when it suddenly blows up to its " large " size, then you can have a sudden increase in PSA to less than 4... which doesn't mean it is cancerous, but at that point you have to find out the exact reason. The bad news is that prostate cancer is the biggest cancer killer of men. The good news is that it is entirely detectable with a PSA test, which is inexpensive and accurate, and can give you a long lead time to have it treated successfully. My latest PSA test was about 1.3, so I have a green light until the next test. I am not a doctor, however, and I am merely restating what I have read on the internet... You will find especially good pages on the site of the M.D. Hospital of Houston, Texas, which is also where I would want to go for treatment if I had cancer. Ellis --- gts <gts@...> wrote: > Welcome back Dale. > > Concerning your PSA, I wouldn't worry too much about > it yet as 1.6 is still > well within the healthy range (as I understand it > anything under 4 is > normal) and I suspect there are a lot of random > factors and natural > variation in PSA test results. > > Even so, if I were you and being the cautious person > that I am, I > would not start any kind of of testosterone > replacement therapy until > after a second PSA test, which I would take in about > 3 months along > with digital rectal exam. I would want to know if my > PSA was trending > sharply higher. > > -gts > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2000 Report Share Posted July 9, 2000 I had a gleason of 8 and a PSA of 11 when I had radiation and seed implant. That was over 2 and one half years ago. My PSA immediately went down to .2 but started back up 14 months later. (one year ago). Now its at 20. Recent bone and cat scans can find no metastasis yet. I have tried numerous treatments and " cures " too numerous to go into here. Right now I'm in anexperimental treatment through Cell Pathways that my family doc spent 6 months helping me to get into. After one month my PSA didn't go up for the first time ...a hopeful sign. Anyway tell your chiroprater he's full of it an take everything the experts tell you with a grain of salt. PCspec will bring your PSA down (which is pretty low as it is) but it covers up symptoms and is only effective 2-3 years at the most anyway. RESEARCH the web ...Research for experimental programs you are probably elligible for...don't count on others to do what I'm doing..taking the time to tell you all this..Your best treatment will probably come from what you yourself dig up. I'm convinced cancer can be controlled and cured.. and will keep searching, listening, and be grateful for what this site can offer..but most of all be self reliant...Best, JR I need help please. Please advise me on what to do. I have prostate cancer (PSA was 4.3, down to 3.6 now, Gleason Scale 6 to 9 ). My Homeopathic doctor got me on MGN3; he says if he were me, he wouldn't have surgery. He would have Beam radiation and keep taking MGN3 and herbs and vitamins. My chiropractor says he would do neither but take PC-SPES, which you can look up on the internet at <A HREF= " www.pc-spes.com/pubs/dosing-rwall.html-ssi " >www.pc -spes.com/pubs/dosing-rwall.html-ssi</A> . It is made of Chinese herbs that is supposed to be 83% effective in curing cancer, but are very expensive. The medical doctor said if I do not do anything soon My time will run out. Please send your response and your credentials on what you would do if it were you. Thank you Major Adair ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lonely? Get Firetalk! Free, unlimited calls anywhere in the world. Free voice chat on hundreds of topics. 1/5477/13/_/378/_/963157753/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2000 Report Share Posted July 9, 2000 PROSTATE CANCER by Dr. Jimmy Gutman from the book GLUTATHONE GSH YOUR BODY'S MOST POWERFUL HEALING AGENT Well-known nutritional specialist Bonnie Liebman writes about " Death, taxes... and prostate cancer..., " a poignant comment on the prevalence of prostate cancer in our population. When researchers include in their statistics individuals with pre-cancerous cells, they claim that more than three-quarters of men over the age of 80 show evidence of cnacer in their prostate glands. Some scientists are of the opinion that if a man lives long enough, he will eventually get prostate cancer. By this definition, prostate cancer would certainly be a disease of aging. Nevertheless the vast majority of men easily outlive prostate cancer. Many may not even suffer significant symptoms. Although the average age at which men are diagnosed is 72, it is usually with a slow-growing tumor that may even begun thirty or forty years earlier. It is by far the most common type of cancer to occur in men, but death by prostate cancer is less freaquent than death by either lung cancer or cancer of the colon, the two most frequent cancer killers. Screeing for prostate cancer is pursued aggressively, usually by digital rectal exam or a blood test called a PSA(prostate specific antigen). Rectal exams are a simple way to check for swelling and sensitivity. PSA levels rise in the prescence of prostate cancer and are a good screening tool for this cancer. They may also indicate the effectiveness of anti-cancer treatment. Traditional treatments include surgical removal, heat therapy, laser therapy, radiotherapy, chemotherapy, hormonal therapy and benign neglect. Alternative therapy focuses more on slowing down the process than on curing it. Diet is important since prostatic cancer has been linked with high-fat, low-fiber diets. The use of antioxidants such as Vitamin A or selenium is popular for reasons we describe below. Recently, a carotenoid called lycopene that gives certain fruits and vegetables their rich color has been linked to prevention of prostate cancer. It seems that men who eat lycopene-rich foods(tomato sauces, dark grapes)have lower rates of prostatic disease. This theory is still under investigation. One of the more significant series of papers to be published on glutathione and prostate cancer comes from the University of Wisconsi. Researchers there describe male hormones (androgens) as a source of oxidative stress, particularly in cancerous prostate cells, An article in the Journal of the National Cancer Insitute claims that androgens stimulate free radical damage and also deplete glutathione. Given the natural decline of glutathione levels in males as they age, the article suggests that " unopposed androgen pro-oxidant stress " contributes to prostate cancer. Natural defense against oxidative stress is weakened by the decline of Glutathione enzymes. This is an interesting model for the development of prostate cancer. Anoter finding links the loss of glutathione activity to prostate cancer. The function of a particular glutathone enzyme - glutathione-S-transferase-pi-1(GSTP1)- is almsot universally lost in both cancerous and pre-cancerous prostate cells. The inactivation of this glutathione enzyme is an early event in the development of prostate cancer. Many studies have linked the loss of GSTP1 to malignant transformation of prostatic tissuses. Medical discoveries are often a matter of chance. A very large study was undertaken by the National Cancer Institute (USA) to determine whether selenium could bring down the rate of skin cancer, notoriously caused by strong exposure to sunlight. Researchers L.C. e and G.F. Combs form Cornell University and the University of Arizona already knew of selenium's ability to raise glutathione levels(see chapter 4) and to oppose cancer-causing free radical damage from ultraviolet light. As it turned out, selenium supplementation did not affect the incidence of skin cancer, but did surprisingly and dramatically diminish the incidence of prostate cancer in the selenium supplementation group. A more recent study from Harvard University confirms that higher selenium levls go hand-in-hand with a decreased risk of prostate cancer. It measured selenium levels in the toenail clippings of over 51,000 male health professionals between 40 to 75 years of age. Those with the highest selenium levels had the lwest chance of developing advanced prostate cancer. Note that selenium is only biologically active- and only has health benefits- when it is part of the enzyme glutathione peroxidase, through which selenium expresses its positive health benefits. Studies using whey protein isolates such as Immunocal to raise glutathione levels are underway at several research centers including McGill and Harvard Universities, where its usefulness in the treatment of prostate cancer is being weighed. Case Study lin was a semi-retired general practitioner who at age 68 scored a PSA reading of over 8 micorgrams/liter on a routine screening exam, suggesting a high possibility of prostate cancer. In continued tests, a urologist took cystoscopic biopsy and confirmed the diagnosis. Four out of lin's six biopsy sites tested positive for high-grade tumor. For personal and practical reasons, lin delayed aggressive treatment and opted to take 30 grams/day of Immunocal, a protein isolate that raises glutathione levels. Bimonthly PSA levels showed a gradual decline, his latest reading being 3.8u/L. He is still being closely followed by his urologist, and his decision to undergo chemotherapy, radiotherapy or surgery will be deferred unless his PSA levels rise again. .. Prostate Cancer > I need help please. Please advise me on what to do. I have prostate cancer > (PSA was 4.3, down to 3.6 now, Gleason Scale 6 to 9 ). My Homeopathic doctor > got me on MGN3; he says if he were me, he wouldn't have surgery. He would > have Beam radiation and keep taking MGN3 and herbs and vitamins. My > chiropractor says he would do neither but take PC-SPES, which you can look up > on the internet at <A HREF= " www.pc-spes.com/pubs/dosing-rwall.html-ssi " >www.pc > -spes.com/pubs/dosing-rwall.html-ssi</A> . > It is made of Chinese herbs that is supposed to be 83% effective in curing > cancer, but are very expensive. The medical doctor said if I do not do > anything soon My time will run out. Please send your response and your > credentials on what you would do if it were you. > > Thank you > Major Adair > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Lonely? Get Firetalk! > Free, unlimited calls anywhere in the world. > Free voice chat on hundreds of topics. > 1/5477/13/_/378/_/963157753/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. 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Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 Dear Major, I don't know exactly where to start but here goes: In Jan '99, I was dx'd with PCa with major bone mets, from my skull to my feet. For any PCa patients here, my PSA was 1,720 and Gleason score was 7. In fact, the only area of the bone scan that was clear was a small area in might right shoulder...every where else was shades of grey up to black. My only choice, insofar as traditional treatment was concerned, was combined hormonal therapy, a Zoladex shot every 3 months and a Casodex pill every day. This worked fine for about 9 months, bringing my PSA down to below 3 and I experienced only minor pain off and on. Looking for an alternative treatment, I ran across Cancell in Nov '99, and after talking to several people, began taking Cantron in Dec '99, along with other supplements recommended by Dr. Bell, Bromelain, Megazyme Forte, Ge-132, primarily. Everything was going well, so I thought (playing golf, working in the yard, etc.), as I was continuing to enjoy a normal life until April '2000. At this time I began having severe pain in my right hip, so severe in fact that I was taking Demoral every 3-4 hours and had to use a crutch just to get about. About this time, I ran across ellagic acid and, thanks to Viverito and n Chung, added it to my protocol, at least 9 caps per day. On the 11th day after adding ellagic, the crutch went back in the closet (where it belongs). I stopped the Demoral and took only one Vioxx and one Lortab per day. Also, I might add that I could not walk up stairs/steps, but had to go up one step at at time. Today, I am not only walking up stairs normally without any disconfort, but take ONLY one Vioxx per day...nothing else. I had also given up the idea of ever playing golf again but, as Dr.Chung said, don't be so sure. I may play again next week. I still periodically experience some pain, but at this point, I may take an Advil if it gets too bad. <big grin> I, of course have no idea what tomorrow will bring, but my point in all this rhetoric is that am opposed to ever giving up hope, whether for now or in the age to come. Also, the 1st of June, I ran out of my 6 month supply of Cantron and began Protocel. This is NOT to say that I think one is better than the other, but rather, just to lay out the facts/circumstances of my situation. God bless, > I need help please. Please advise me on what to do. I have prostate cancer > (PSA was 4.3, down to 3.6 now, Gleason Scale 6 to 9 ). My Homeopathic doctor > got me on MGN3; he says if he were me, he wouldn't have surgery. He would > have Beam radiation and keep taking MGN3 and herbs and vitamins. My > chiropractor says he would do neither but take PC-SPES, which you can look up > on the internet at <A HREF= " www.pc-spes.com/pubs /dosing-rwall.html-ssi " >www.pc > -spes.com/pubs/dosing-rwall.html-ssi</A> . > It is made of Chinese herbs that is supposed to be 83% effective in curing > cancer, but are very expensive. The medical doctor said if I do not do > anything soon My time will run out. Please send your response and your > credentials on what you would do if it were you. > > Thank you > Major Adair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 Just a short note further to my 7/16 post. I get a blood test every 90 days. I just got the results of my latest one last Friday. In April my PSA was 105.My PSA last week had dropped to 20.5. Still quite high but moving in the right direction. This after 8 weeks after adding Ellagic Acid to my protocol. > > I need help please. Please advise me on what to do. I have > prostate cancer > > (PSA was 4.3, down to 3.6 now, Gleason Scale 6 to 9 ). My > Homeopathic doctor > > got me on MGN3; he says if he were me, he wouldn't have surgery. > He would > > have Beam radiation and keep taking MGN3 and herbs and vitamins. > My > > chiropractor says he would do neither but take PC-SPES, which you > can look up > > on the internet at <A HREF= " www.pc-spes.com/pubs > /dosing-rwall.html-ssi " >www.pc > > -spes.com/pubs/dosing-rwall.html-ssi</A> . > > It is made of Chinese herbs that is supposed to be 83% effective > in curing > > cancer, but are very expensive. The medical doctor said if I do > not do > > anything soon My time will run out. Please send your response and > your > > credentials on what you would do if it were you. > > > > Thank you > > Major Adair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2000 Report Share Posted August 11, 2000 > PROSTATE CANCER by Dr. Jimmy Gutman from the book GLUTATHONE GSH YOUR BODY'S > MOST POWERFUL HEALING AGENT > > Well-known nutritional specialist Bonnie Liebman writes about " Death, > taxes... and prostate cancer..., " a poignant comment on the prevalence of > prostate cancer in our population. When researchers include in their > statistics individuals with pre-cancerous cells, they claim that more than > three-quarters of men over the age of 80 show evidence of cnacer in their > prostate glands. Some scientists are of the opinion that if a man lives long > enough, he will eventually get prostate cancer. By this definition, prostate > cancer would certainly be a disease of aging. > > Nevertheless the vast majority of men easily outlive prostate cancer. Many > may not even suffer significant symptoms. Although the average age at which > men are diagnosed is 72, it is usually with a slow-growing tumor that may > even begun thirty or forty years earlier. It is by far the most common type > of cancer to occur in men, but death by prostate cancer is less freaquent > than death by either lung cancer or cancer of the colon, the two most > frequent cancer killers. > > Screeing for prostate cancer is pursued aggressively, usually by digital > rectal exam or a blood test called a PSA(prostate specific antigen). Rectal > exams are a simple way to check for swelling and sensitivity. PSA levels > rise in the prescence of prostate cancer and are a good screening tool for > this cancer. They may also indicate the effectiveness of anti-cancer > treatment. > > Traditional treatments include surgical removal, heat therapy, laser > therapy, radiotherapy, chemotherapy, hormonal therapy and benign neglect. > > Alternative therapy focuses more on slowing down the process than on curing > it. Diet is important since prostatic cancer has been linked with high-fat, > low-fiber diets. The use of antioxidants such as Vitamin A or selenium is > popular for reasons we describe below. Recently, a carotenoid called > lycopene that gives certain fruits and vegetables their rich color has been > linked to prevention of prostate cancer. It seems that men who eat > lycopene-rich foods(tomato sauces, dark grapes)have lower rates of prostatic > disease. This theory is still under investigation. > > One of the more significant series of papers to be published on glutathione > and prostate cancer comes from the University of Wisconsi. Researchers there > describe male hormones (androgens) as a source of oxidative stress, > particularly in cancerous prostate cells, An article in the Journal of the > National Cancer Insitute claims that androgens stimulate free radical damage > and also deplete glutathione. Given the natural decline of glutathione > levels in males as they age, the article suggests that " unopposed androgen > pro-oxidant stress " contributes to prostate cancer. Natural defense against > oxidative stress is weakened by the decline of Glutathione enzymes. This is > an interesting model for the development of prostate cancer. > > Anoter finding links the loss of glutathione activity to prostate cancer. > The function of a particular glutathone enzyme - > glutathione-S-transferase-pi-1(GSTP1)- is almsot universally lost in both > cancerous and pre-cancerous prostate cells. The inactivation of this > glutathione enzyme is an early event in the development of prostate cancer. > Many studies have linked the loss of GSTP1 to malignant transformation of > prostatic tissuses. > > Medical discoveries are often a matter of chance. A very large study was > undertaken by the National Cancer Institute (USA) to determine whether > selenium could bring down the rate of skin cancer, notoriously caused by > strong exposure to sunlight. Researchers L.C. e and G.F. Combs form > Cornell University and the University of Arizona already knew of selenium's > ability to raise glutathione levels(see chapter 4) and to oppose > cancer-causing free radical damage from ultraviolet light. As it turned out, > selenium supplementation did not affect the incidence of skin cancer, but > did surprisingly and dramatically diminish the incidence of prostate cancer > in the selenium supplementation group. > > A more recent study from Harvard University confirms that higher selenium > levls go hand-in-hand with a decreased risk of prostate cancer. It measured > selenium levels in the toenail clippings of over 51,000 male health > professionals between 40 to 75 years of age. Those with the highest selenium > levels had the lwest chance of developing advanced prostate cancer. Note > that selenium is only biologically active- and only has health benefits- > when it is part of the enzyme glutathione peroxidase, through which selenium > expresses its positive health benefits. > > Studies using whey protein isolates such as Immunocal to raise glutathione > levels are underway at several research centers including McGill and Harvard > Universities, where its usefulness in the treatment of prostate cancer is > being weighed. > > Case Study > lin was a semi-retired general practitioner who at age 68 scored a PSA > reading of over 8 micorgrams/liter on a routine screening exam, suggesting a > high possibility of prostate cancer. In continued tests, a urologist took > cystoscopic biopsy and confirmed the diagnosis. Four out of lin's six > biopsy sites tested positive for high-grade tumor. For personal and > practical reasons, lin delayed aggressive treatment and opted to take > 30 grams/day of Immunocal, a protein isolate that raises glutathione levels. > Bimonthly PSA levels showed a gradual decline, his latest reading being > 3.8u/L. He is still being closely followed by his urologist, and his > decision to undergo chemotherapy, radiotherapy or surgery will be deferred > unless his PSA levels rise again. > . > Prostate Cancer > > > > I need help please. Please advise me on what to do. I have prostate > cancer > > (PSA was 4.3, down to 3.6 now, Gleason Scale 6 to 9 ). My Homeopathic > doctor > > got me on MGN3; he says if he were me, he wouldn't have surgery. He would > > have Beam radiation and keep taking MGN3 and herbs and vitamins. My > > chiropractor says he would do neither but take PC-SPES, which you can look > up > > on the internet at <A > HREF= " www.pc-spes.com/pubs/dosing-rwall.html-ssi " >www.pc > > -spes.com/pubs/dosing-rwall.html-ssi</A> . > > It is made of Chinese herbs that is supposed to be 83% effective in > curing > > cancer, but are very expensive. The medical doctor said if I do not do > > anything soon My time will run out. Please send your response and your > > credentials on what you would do if it were you. > > > > Thank you > > Major Adair > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Lonely? 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Guest guest Posted October 31, 2000 Report Share Posted October 31, 2000 Dear Saul, We have had four out of four patients tumor markers for prostate cancer return to normal though 15 treatments of ozone sauna together with electrotherapeutic treatment where they sit on a copper plate electrode and hold the other electrode on the pubic bone. Regards Noel ! Please mark Emails addressed to me through 'Options' as of High Importance & request acknowledgement that I have read the Email. Professor Noel 89 Royal Parade Parkville VIC 3052 Australia Phone 03 9347 8444 International 613 9347 8444 Fax 03 9347 8850 International 613 9347 8850 Email noelc@... Web www.smile.org.au Sapere Aude: Dare to be wise. All truth goes through three stages: first it is ridiculed: then it is violently opposed: finally it is accepted as self evident. Schopenhauer. Re: Prostate cancer Dear Edith, The easiest way is to sit on the end of the tubing with it trapped between the legs, and have the ozone diffuse upward through the perineum region. It is easiest to do this in the sauna, but it can be done sitting on a chair as well. It probably could be done in the bath tub as well, if done carefully. The water would be good for aiding transdermal entry of the ozone. The other alternative is penile insufflation, which doesn't get a lot of cheering, understandably. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh Prostate cancer > Saul, > > If I bought a ozone generator, how would my dad use that for prostate cancer? > > Edith > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2000 Report Share Posted October 31, 2000 " Prof. Noel " wrote: > > Dear Saul, > > We have had four out of four patients tumor markers for prostate cancer > return to normal though 15 treatments of ozone sauna together with > electrotherapeutic treatment where they sit on a copper plate electrode and > hold the other electrode on the pubic bone. > > Regards > Noel What voltage and frequencies are you using? Or are you using the EMEM method? Dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2000 Report Share Posted October 31, 2000 Noel, What type of current is used in the electrotherapy? I'm interested in all forms of electrotherapy. jim " Prof. Noel " wrote: > > Dear Saul, > > We have had four out of four patients tumor markers for prostate cancer > return to normal though 15 treatments of ozone sauna together with > electrotherapeutic treatment where they sit on a copper plate electrode and > hold the other electrode on the pubic bone. > > Regards > Noel > > ! Please mark Emails addressed to me through 'Options' as of High Importance > & request acknowledgement that I have read the Email. > > Professor Noel > 89 Royal Parade Parkville VIC 3052 Australia Phone 03 9347 8444 > International 613 9347 8444 Fax 03 9347 8850 International 613 9347 8850 > Email noelc@... Web www.smile.org.au > > Sapere Aude: Dare to be wise. > All truth goes through three stages: first it is ridiculed: then it is > violently opposed: finally it is accepted as self evident. Schopenhauer. > ----- carpe diem, carpe pucunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2000 Report Share Posted October 31, 2000 Dear Edith, The easiest way is to sit on the end of the tubing with it trapped between the legs, and have the ozone diffuse upward through the perineum region. It is easiest to do this in the sauna, but it can be done sitting on a chair as well. It probably could be done in the bath tub as well, if done carefully. The water would be good for aiding transdermal entry of the ozone. The other alternative is penile insufflation, which doesn't get a lot of cheering, understandably. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh Prostate cancer > Saul, > > If I bought a ozone generator, how would my dad use that for prostate cancer? > > Edith > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2000 Report Share Posted October 31, 2000 Dear Prof, That is EXCELLENT news! Can you send me information on the device? Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh Prostate cancer > > > > Saul, > > > > If I bought a ozone generator, how would my dad use that for prostate > cancer? > > > > Edith > > > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and > other alternative self-help subjects. > > > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here > are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing > information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your > own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to > take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to > hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found > here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher > or health care provider. > > > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following > address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of > the message! : > > > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > > > > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other > alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are > for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing > information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your > own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to > take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to > hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found > here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher > or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following > address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the > message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2000 Report Share Posted November 1, 2000 Saul Pressman wrote: > > Dear Edith, > > The easiest way is to sit on the end of the tubing with it trapped between > the legs, and have the ozone diffuse upward through the perineum region. It > is easiest to do this in the sauna, but it can be done sitting on a chair as > well. It probably could be done in the bath tub as well, if done carefully. > The water would be good for aiding transdermal entry of the ozone. Sounds like you should invent a special funnel for this Saul. Maybe one that could cover the entire public area as well. Dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2000 Report Share Posted November 1, 2000 > Sounds like you should invent a special funnel for this Saul. Maybe one > that could > cover the entire public area as well. > > Dick I think Saul's idea is the best. I cannot visualize what he could design that would be better than getting the funnel off and putting the hose down there where the cracks would hold it well. Those would be some strange shaped funnels, I imagine, and would probably have to come in a variety of sizes. I've done the hose. It works real good. I do, however, prefer the ear attachment to jamming the hose in my ear. JP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2000 Report Share Posted November 1, 2000 Dick wrote: Sounds like you should invent a special funnel for this Saul. Maybe one that could cover the entire public area as well. Dick ===== Entire PUBLIC area -- love it! ;-)) Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2000 Report Share Posted November 1, 2000 Here is a device for women that maybe able to be retrofitted. http://www.freshette.com/ Size maybe a problem. There are also fecal incontinent pouches that could be used also that are made out of plastic and have an integral adhesive http://www.hollister.com/products/cont.htm Really the proximity of the prostate is closer to the perineum, than the pubis. In lay terms the " taint " . That is.... it ain't the anus and it ain't the scrotum, it's in-between the two ;~) Also, as most of us men over 40 know... the prostate is palpable via the rectum. So, wouldn't a shallow rectal insuffaltion be advisable? P.M. Re: Prostate cancer > > Sounds like you should invent a special funnel for this Saul. Maybe one > > that could > > cover the entire public area as well. > > > > Dick > > I think Saul's idea is the best. I cannot visualize what > he could design that would be better than getting the funnel > off and putting the hose down there where the cracks would > hold it well. Those would be some strange shaped funnels, > I imagine, and would probably have to come in a variety of > sizes. I've done the hose. It works real good. I do, however, > prefer the ear attachment to jamming the hose in my ear. > JP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2000 Report Share Posted November 1, 2000 Dear Dick, I assume that was a typo ! >one that could cover the entire public area as well < Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh Re: Prostate cancer > > > Saul Pressman wrote: > > > > Dear Edith, > > > > The easiest way is to sit on the end of the tubing with it trapped between > > the legs, and have the ozone diffuse upward through the perineum region. It > > is easiest to do this in the sauna, but it can be done sitting on a chair as > > well. It probably could be done in the bath tub as well, if done carefully. > > The water would be good for aiding transdermal entry of the ozone. > > Sounds like you should invent a special funnel for this Saul. Maybe one > that could > cover the entire public area as well. > > Dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2000 Report Share Posted November 1, 2000 Saul Pressman wrote: > Dear Dick, > > I assume that was a typo ! > > >one that could cover the entire public area as well < > > Best of Health! > Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh Well, this is the era of Clinton you know. Dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2000 Report Share Posted November 1, 2000 Dear , Actually rectal insufflation doesn't seem to work as well as a protocol for prostate problems. I think that it is the requirement of doing an enema beforehand which provides the stumbling block. I have had men tell me they would rather die. Since we are mostly dealing with self-treatment, compliance with the protocol is a self-responsibility area. It has been my experience that compliance is directly related to the difficulty of the procedure. The tougher to do, the less it is done. Since good results depend on repeated self-treatment, poor compliance results in an ineffective therapy. This was a major reason for developing the steam sauna. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh Re: Prostate cancer > > > > > Sounds like you should invent a special funnel for this Saul. Maybe one > > > that could > > > cover the entire public area as well. > > > > > > Dick > > > > I think Saul's idea is the best. I cannot visualize what > > he could design that would be better than getting the funnel > > off and putting the hose down there where the cracks would > > hold it well. Those would be some strange shaped funnels, > > I imagine, and would probably have to come in a variety of > > sizes. I've done the hose. It works real good. I do, however, > > prefer the ear attachment to jamming the hose in my ear. > > JP > > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2000 Report Share Posted November 1, 2000 Saul that is sobering and sad. Probably, the same reason rectal hyperthermic transducers are not used either. P.M. Re: Prostate cancer <SNIP> > Dear , > > Actually rectal insufflation doesn't seem to work as well as a protocol for > prostate problems. > I think that it is the requirement of doing an enema beforehand which > provides the stumbling block. I have had men tell me they would rather die. > > Since we are mostly dealing with self-treatment, compliance with the > protocol > is a self-responsibility area. It has been my experience that compliance is > directly related to the difficulty of the procedure. The tougher to do, the > less it is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2000 Report Share Posted November 1, 2000 Dear Saul, I agree with what you say about simple treatments. We had two further results this week with both prostate patients having their tumor markers return to normal after 15 ozone saunas with concurrent electrotherapeutic treatment. Regards Noel ! Please mark Emails addressed to me through 'Options' as of High Importance & request acknowledgement that I have read the Email. Professor Noel 89 Royal Parade Parkville VIC 3052 Australia Phone 03 9347 8444 International 613 9347 8444 Fax 03 9347 8850 International 613 9347 8850 Email noelc@... Web www.smile.org.au Sapere Aude: Dare to be wise. All truth goes through three stages: first it is ridiculed: then it is violently opposed: finally it is accepted as self evident. Schopenhauer. Re: Prostate cancer Dear , Actually rectal insufflation doesn't seem to work as well as a protocol for prostate problems. I think that it is the requirement of doing an enema beforehand which provides the stumbling block. I have had men tell me they would rather die. Since we are mostly dealing with self-treatment, compliance with the protocol is a self-responsibility area. It has been my experience that compliance is directly related to the difficulty of the procedure. The tougher to do, the less it is done. Since good results depend on repeated self-treatment, poor compliance results in an ineffective therapy. This was a major reason for developing the steam sauna. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh Re: Prostate cancer > > > > > Sounds like you should invent a special funnel for this Saul. Maybe one > > > that could > > > cover the entire public area as well. > > > > > > Dick > > > > I think Saul's idea is the best. I cannot visualize what > > he could design that would be better than getting the funnel > > off and putting the hose down there where the cracks would > > hold it well. Those would be some strange shaped funnels, > > I imagine, and would probably have to come in a variety of > > sizes. I've done the hose. It works real good. I do, however, > > prefer the ear attachment to jamming the hose in my ear. > > JP > > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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