I have a question

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In a message dated 3/23/00 12:52:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Taebotig@... writes:

<< i have a question....I want the 8 minute but do you have to buy it in the

box

set of 4...I am talking about the original...I have been searching for it

and

I thought that it use to come in a set with the advanced. any help would be

good. I dont want to order it online though so It would be good if someone

knows of a store that sells it. If I have to order it online i will though,

>>

Check ebay! A lot of people sell it.

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Angie....try www.ebay.com.... you don;t have to give them your credit card info

you can just send them a check or money order. Itds pretty trust worthy... the

only other option would be to call the 800 number. If you bought the studio

basic and instructional you should have gotten a card for a free 8 minute tape

even if you bought it inthe store. ....tell em you never got your tape!!!!!

> i have a question....I want the 8 minute but do you have to buy it in the box

> set of 4...I am talking about the original...I have been searching for it and

> I thought that it use to come in a set with the advanced. any help would be

> good. I dont want to order it online though so It would be good if someone

> knows of a store that sells it. If I have to order it online i will though,

>

>

> Angie

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A thought... I have the 8 minute Studio video....If you would like I could

copy it for you, if you send me a video tape to copy it on.

Re: I have a question

> In a message dated 3/23/00 12:52:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> Taebotig@... writes:

>

> << i have a question....I want the 8 minute but do you have to buy it in

the

> box

> set of 4...I am talking about the original...I have been searching for it

> and

> I thought that it use to come in a set with the advanced. any help would

be

> good. I dont want to order it online though so It would be good if

someone

> knows of a store that sells it. If I have to order it online i will

though,

> >>

>

> Check ebay! A lot of people sell it.

>

>

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>

> Visit our new vault site http://taeboon.isportsdot.com/

>

>

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In a message dated 3/23/2000 1:33:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

GalofGOP@... writes:

<< the only other option would be to call the 800 number. If you bought the

studio basic and instructional you should have gotten a card for a free 8

minute tape even if you bought it inthe store. ....tell em you never got your

tape!!!!!

>>

thank you sabrina. I had no idea. I didnt get the card at all. I just called

and they are sending it to me in5 - 7 days. i am so happy!!! Thanks so much.

I only needed the tape because some days I really really want to workout and

have 10 minutes and I know that would help! thanks though

Angie

ICQ-46432916

AIM-Tyggyrow

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In a message dated 3/23/2000 4:50:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

marygraves@... writes:

<< >>

thank you for the offer but recommended I call the 800 number and I

did and they are sending it to me free. But I do appreciate the offer!!!!!!!

Angie

ICQ-46432916

AIM-Tyggyrow

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In a message dated 3/24/00 7:33:39 AM Central Standard Time,

etcarroll@... writes:

<<

Elena, who thinks we should always listen to sister

>>

Amen

signed

Anonymous

(lol)

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Taebotig@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 3/23/2000 1:33:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> GalofGOP@... writes:

>

> << the only other option would be to call the 800 number. If you bought the

> studio basic and instructional you should have gotten a card for a free 8

> minute tape even if you bought it inthe store. ....tell em you never got your

> tape!!!!!

>

> >>

>

> thank you sabrina. I had no idea. I didnt get the card at all. I just called

> and they are sending it to me in5 - 7 days. i am so happy!!! Thanks so much.

> I only needed the tape because some days I really really want to workout and

> have 10 minutes and I know that would help! thanks though

>

> Angie

Yippee, Angie. That's great news. You'll love that tape. It is so

much fun.

Elena, who thinks we should always listen to sister

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galofgo-@... wrote:

original article:tae-bo_on/?start=15414

> In a message dated 3/24/00 7:33:39 AM Central Standard Time,

> etcarroll@... writes:

>

> <<

> Elena, who thinks we should always listen to sister

> >>

> Amen

> signed

> Anonymous

>

> (lol)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Now THAT made me laugh REALLY loud!

Susi

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, the world traveller!

I think only a week or so ago we had long discussions on enabling, how to

stop, when to stop, etc. If you can, go to the archives and see if you can

find the posts.

Briefly, what we do and did here was identify the behaviour as an ocd

thing, and not comply - or comply only once. I used to think it was normal

to ask " what are we doing tomorrow? " in 50 different ways - because everyone

here does that!! Now I answer only once, and then say What did I just say?

or look at the calendar!

I used to stand with tom while he counted for 1h40m each time he had to

leave his room. Once I was told that it kept getting longer b/c I was

helping, I stopped. As far as is concerned, the basic cbt response

is something like:

" , that's your ocd talking. You know that everything is fine. Now

off to bed. " if she needs you to promise, then I would say " , I'll

say this my way only once, Yes, I promise to .... "

We use terms like " Boss it Back " and " Its not me/you its my/your OCD " , or

" Whose in charge? You or your ocd? "

Its tough, but you'll get the hang of it - especially after reading March

and Mulle. Take care, wendy in canada wb4@...

>From: " Harmsworth " <kharms@...>

>Does anyone get roped into helping with compulsions. Part of my daughters

>nightly compulsion in to tell me, " I'm going to bed now " so don't put on

>the dishwasher, dryer or washing machine (She can't stand any noise when

>she is in bed) anyway I have to say I PROMISE every night. I know that

>sounds simple, but it's not as it has to be said perfectly. This can

>sometimes take five to ten times of saying it. I have tried to tell her I

>won't do it, as this is not my problem, but this ends in a huge meltdown

>that can last for

>two hours. With her yelling and screaming that she won't be able to sleep

>all night if I don't do it and then will do poorly on tests at school.

> >

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Does anyone get roped into helping with compulsions. Part of my daughters

nightly compulsion in to tell me, " I'm going to bed now " so don't put on the

dishwasher, dryer or washing machine (She can't stand any noise when she is

in bed) anyway I have to say I PROMISE every night. I know that sounds

simple, but it's not as it has to be said perfectly. This can sometimes take

five to ten times of saying it. I have tried to tell her I won't do it, as

this is not my problem, but this ends in a huge meltdown that can last for

two hours. With her yelling and screaming that she won't be able to sleep

all night if I don't do it and then will do poorly on tests at school.

Re: Thanks for the e-mails

>Hi :

>

>When you start working with knowledgeable OCD docs it will make all the

>difference. We also had the experience several times of OCD behaviors

>being blamed on our " family problems " . Just know that these problems are

>from a brain disorder and OCD is a " no fault " disorder. Moving around the

>world, changing schools, etc. did not cause this disorder. Although we do

>not know what causes OCD there is a lot of evidence that people may have a

>genetic pre-disposition to develop OCD.

>

>Take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

>kathyh@...

>

>At 10:24 AM 04/18/2000 +0900, you wrote:

>> Good morning from Tokyo. I've just gone through all my e-mails and

feel

>> so much better this morning, just knowing I'm not alone after a big OCD

>>meltdown from my daughter last night. Anyway I jumped straight on to

>>Amazon.com and ordered the book Obsessive Compulsive in Children and

>>Adolescents. I hope this can give me somewhere to start. We did try a

>>family Consulting Psychologist here as that is all we could find at the

>>time, but we are still on the look out. Anyway after five sessions we

>>realised that she wasn't recognising s outburst and meltdowns as

OCD

>>related. She thought we needed family counselling as she felt that there

>>was something very wrong with our family. Heaven knows what must

>>have told her during their sessions. She can be a real good story teller

>>and unfortunately a liar when she want's to be. We eventually gave up as

>>the psychologist had us blamed for everything that was going on and we

>>didn't need guilt added to our list of problems. We have just heard that

>>our time here is coming to a close anywhere from two to six months. So

I'm

>>looking forward to getting back to Australia and some professional help

>>for . I did speak to s Dr. in Australia yesterday and he

>>agreed to up her Cipramil to 40mg for two weeks then up again to 50mg a

>>day. If that doesn't work then he said we'll try something else. Yes

>>Elaine we have been lucky to have the experience of living overseas.

>> left Australia when she was two. We have lived in India, Thailand

>>and now Japan. But I do sometime wonder if we had stayed in Australia and

>> didn't have the stress of changing Schools, Home and Country every

>>four year, that maybe this started of her OCD. Or maybe it's me trying to

>>find something to feel guilty about. Best Wishes .

>>

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Hi :

I doubt there is a parent alive who has not been involved with their

OCDer's compulsions. When you say " I PROMISE " you are unfortunately

participating in OCD. While this gives very temporary relief you can see

that pretty quickly it just makes things worse.

Dealing with OCD means facing two-hour or much longer meltdowns if you are

to extract yourself from having OCD boss you around. It is much easier to

do this with the help of a CBT therapist who could come to your home around

bed time and set up graduated exposures to work on this. One of the

important things our OCDers have to learn through E & RP is that they can

face a spike in their anxiety and in time it will get better. It may be

better to work on symptoms lower on the hierarchy but this one certainly is

interfering considerably with family life and should be a focus of

treatment as early on as possible.

What we decided was that it was more important to recover from OCD than to

have academic achievement at school. The decision was taken out of our

hands as pretty fast Steve got too sick to even go to school and have any

academic achievement. This is a very hard time in the journey of dealing

with OCD, please know that it will get better even if that seems completely

unlikely now.

Bedtime is a commonly tough time for OCDers as their symptoms tend to

become more severe as they let down their guard and prepare for sleep.

Take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

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At 08:11 PM 04/18/2000 +0900, you wrote:

>Does anyone get roped into helping with compulsions. Part of my daughters

>nightly compulsion in to tell me, " I'm going to bed now " so don't put on the

>dishwasher, dryer or washing machine (She can't stand any noise when she is

>in bed) anyway I have to say I PROMISE every night. I know that sounds

>simple, but it's not as it has to be said perfectly. This can sometimes take

>five to ten times of saying it. I have tried to tell her I won't do it, as

>this is not my problem, but this ends in a huge meltdown that can last for

>two hours. With her yelling and screaming that she won't be able to sleep

>all night if I don't do it and then will do poorly on tests at school.

>

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In a message dated 4/18/00 6:08:25 AM Central Daylight Time,

kharms@... writes:

<< Does anyone get roped into helping with compulsions. Part of my daughters

nightly compulsion in to tell me, " I'm going to bed now " so don't put on the

dishwasher, dryer or washing machine (She can't stand any noise when she is

in bed) anyway I have to say I PROMISE every night. I know that sounds

simple, but it's not as it has to be said perfectly. >>

, boy oh boy can I relate to this. When is telling me he is going

to go do something, like outside or riding his bike or something like that, I

can't just say " kay " which is what I am likely to do. I have to say "

it is Okay for you to go ... " whatever it is he is going to do!

I have told him time and time again, as long as I have acknowledged you, that

means you have permission. Today, he tried to get me to say it right and had

a meltdown because I said that I had acknowledged him and that was the only

response he was getting. I am trying not to get drawn in. Funny, before the

dx this behavior was seen as unacceptable and now, just 2 weeks later I am

having trouble sticking to my guns. When I thought it was just bad behavior,

I could easily stand my ground, now I want to hold him and tell him

everything is OK and do what I can to ease his anxieties. MMM

Peggikaye ... Oklahoma

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I wouldn't mind if all I had to do was repeat a answer the exact way each

time, I know you think that is wrong of me, but to me that would be easy to

deal with. My son has just busted the tiles in my shower becauce of a

meltdown, He has this everytime he gets in there, which is everynight

because he can not go to bed without taking one. We are at the point now

that if he breaks the shower then he is shit out of luck.I don't want to

sound crude, buts thats just how I feel. Sometimes I feel like I live in a

hell. Our days can be so good together, but then the night comes, I am

starting to hate the night has much as he is.

Pat

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> Subject: Re: I have a question

> Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 8:54 PM

>

> In a message dated 4/18/00 6:08:25 AM Central Daylight Time,

> kharms@... writes:

>

> << Does anyone get roped into helping with compulsions. Part of my

daughters

> nightly compulsion in to tell me, " I'm going to bed now " so don't put on

the

> dishwasher, dryer or washing machine (She can't stand any noise when she

is

> in bed) anyway I have to say I PROMISE every night. I know that sounds

> simple, but it's not as it has to be said perfectly. >>

>

> , boy oh boy can I relate to this. When is telling me he is

going

> to go do something, like outside or riding his bike or something like

that, I

> can't just say " kay " which is what I am likely to do. I have to say

"

> it is Okay for you to go ... " whatever it is he is going to do!

> I have told him time and time again, as long as I have acknowledged you,

that

> means you have permission. Today, he tried to get me to say it right and

had

> a meltdown because I said that I had acknowledged him and that was the

only

> response he was getting. I am trying not to get drawn in. Funny, before

the

> dx this behavior was seen as unacceptable and now, just 2 weeks later I

am

> having trouble sticking to my guns. When I thought it was just bad

behavior,

> I could easily stand my ground, now I want to hold him and tell him

> everything is OK and do what I can to ease his anxieties. MMM

>

>

>

>

> Peggikaye ... Oklahoma

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Dear Pat.

The repeating of " I promise everynight " is just a small part of my daughters

compulsion. She also has damaged so many things in our apartment. She has

this banging thing she has to do, which involves the doors. furniture item

and anything in her path. She bangs the doors so hard against the walls that

we had to replace large sections of the wall in lots of areas at least

three times as the door handle eventually gets pushed through the wall.(not

cheap). We have also replaced the computer mouse for the third time and

numerous T.V, remotes. just to mention a few. My husband is so feed up, he

said next time the money will have to come out of her bank account for the

repairs.

.

Re: I have a question

>> Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 8:54 PM

>>

>> In a message dated 4/18/00 6:08:25 AM Central Daylight Time,

>> kharms@... writes:

>>

>> << Does anyone get roped into helping with compulsions. Part of my

>daughters

>> nightly compulsion in to tell me, " I'm going to bed now " so don't put on

>the

>> dishwasher, dryer or washing machine (She can't stand any noise when she

>is

>> in bed) anyway I have to say I PROMISE every night. I know that sounds

>> simple, but it's not as it has to be said perfectly. >>

>>

>> , boy oh boy can I relate to this. When is telling me he is

>going

>> to go do something, like outside or riding his bike or something like

>that, I

>> can't just say " kay " which is what I am likely to do. I have to say

> "

>> it is Okay for you to go ... " whatever it is he is going to do!

>> I have told him time and time again, as long as I have acknowledged you,

>that

>> means you have permission. Today, he tried to get me to say it right and

>had

>> a meltdown because I said that I had acknowledged him and that was the

>only

>> response he was getting. I am trying not to get drawn in. Funny, before

>the

>> dx this behavior was seen as unacceptable and now, just 2 weeks later I

>am

>> having trouble sticking to my guns. When I thought it was just bad

>behavior,

>> I could easily stand my ground, now I want to hold him and tell him

>> everything is OK and do what I can to ease his anxieties. MMM

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Peggikaye ... Oklahoma

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What is E & RP???

[Guest guest]

I know some of this feeling as well...

I bought a home (new) 4 years ago.. wonderful accomplishment for me, being a

single parent and did it all on my own with no bond money or special

programs. My son tells me I have accomplished nothing in my life!

My son kicked in my bedroom door because he thought my TV was tooooo lound,

busted the frame around it 2 years ago, it is still that way... my son

clogges toliets with wads of paper. The walls are filthy. I took 14 bags of

garbage out of his room when he went to live with my parents several months

ago. He would lock himself in his room when he was home, and lock the door

when he went to school, put things on door so he would know if I attempted to

go into his room. I was " comtaminated " , he accused me of having AIDS.

My son would get angry at me and go out and stomp up the plants I planted

around the yard ( he knew I worked hard on the yard and found enjoyment

outside in it), he would thow my things all over when I was gone, he would

hide my candles... this just wasn't at night....

It does feel like you are living in a hell!

I can relate.

[Guest guest]

I know some of this feeling as well...

I bought a home (new) 4 years ago.. wonderful accomplishment for me, being a

single parent and did it all on my own with no bond money or special

programs. My son tells me I have accomplished nothing in my life!

My son kicked in my bedroom door because he thought my TV was tooooo lound,

busted the frame around it 2 years ago, it is still that way... my son

clogges toliets with wads of paper. The walls are filthy. I took 14 bags of

garbage out of his room when he went to live with my parents several months

ago. He would lock himself in his room when he was home, and lock the door

when he went to school, put things on door so he would know if I attempted to

go into his room. I was " comtaminated " , he accused me of having AIDS.

My son would get angry at me and go out and stomp up the plants I planted

around the yard ( he knew I worked hard on the yard and found enjoyment

outside in it), he would thow my things all over when I was gone, he would

hide my candles... this just wasn't at night....

It does feel like you are living in a hell!

I can relate.

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Gosh! I thought I was the only one with a distructive child..

has cost me plenty, complete cumputer hard drive, key boards, mouse

replacements, damaged walls (holes from door knobs), ect. Glad to know I am

not alone.

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Hi:

Peggi wrote:

Funny, before the

>dx this behavior was seen as unacceptable and now, just 2 weeks later I am

>having trouble sticking to my guns. When I thought it was just bad behavior,

>I could easily stand my ground, now I want to hold him and tell him

>everything is OK and do what I can to ease his anxieties. MMM

>

This is such a tough one and really illustrates the cruelty of OCD. I was

cured of this desire to ease Steve's anxieties by ridicule from his

psychiatrist. I told him I just felt so dreadfully sorry for Steve's

suffering that I couldn't always hold the hard line and he just looked at

me like I was the mother from hell and pretty much told me to buck up or else.

Actually it is a severe test of parental love to do this. It really is the

more loving thing to let our OCDers know that we believe they have what it

takes to live with their anxiety, come through it well, and learn to

control their OCD more. Good luck, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

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Hi Pat:

The violent behavior is very hard to cope with. What helped me was to read

Dr. Greene's book, " The Explosive Child " and start to pick my battles. He

talks about A,B,C, baskets for behavior. A is for behaviors that must be

consequenced no matter what and most of us put safety in here. B is for

behaviors that for now we will not consequence but which may upset us or be

things which would be completely unacceptable in a well child. C is for

behaviors we don't need to worry about right now (Apologies to Dr. Greene

if I have misconstrued his book).

Violent behavior that can harm our OCDers or their family is something

which needs to be addressed no matter how sick our kids are (IMO). You

might want to consult with your doc to get advice about what consequence

might work.

What we did was discuss calmly with Steve at a good time how violence only

begets violence and that would shatter our family. Then we incorporated

violent behaviors into our professional parenting plan with penalty points

for difficult behaviors and reward points for good behaviors.

You might want to tell your son if he can shower without trashing the tiles

you will give him X. X can be something he really wants, e.g. trip

somewhere fun, extra computer time, sleeping in late, watching a video,

etc. We found it better not to use too many monetary rewards but that was

related to issues in our family. It is much easier to change difficult

behaviors by rewarding them for not doing them than by giving negative

consequences for doing them.

When your son is trashing the tiles he cannot readily stop this behavior.

If you can see this as something OCD is causing rather than he is a bad or

disrespectful kid that is really helpful. The idea is to team up together

against OCD and not let it drive a wedge between you. In time he will come

to realize that negative consequences you are applying really are changing

his learning environment to help him learn to control his behavior and not

your being nasty because he is a " bad " boy. In fact it is very helpful to

hug them and let them know you know how hard it is for them to get control

of this anger, but that with treatment and understanding and family support

he will learn to do this. They are often very embarrassed and more

frightened by these outbursts than we are.

One thing that was hard for me was to accept that sometimes I would not be

in control of the situation. I always thought a good parent would respond

to all bad behaviors and guide their child and that if I did not correct

him or encourage responsible behavior I was shirking my parental

obligations. Once I recognized and talked about how I did not know what

to do but was trying hard to learn, we all managed to develop a more

cooperative attitude in dealing with meltdowns. Also giving myself the

freedom not to respond to problem behavior that was not in the A basket was

very freeing and encouraged the rest of the family to develop their OCD

coping skills

re: the night being bad. YOu might want to develop a plan ahead of time

for how you will respond to problems in the evening. This really helps by

removing the need to make decisions under stress. Your son may have some

good suggestions about what can help, e.g. shifting showering to the am,

developing positive bed time routines that are fun. Once I calmed Steve

down a lot by drawing a bubble bath for him, lighting my candles, playing

some of his favorite music, bringing his cats into the bathroom and giving

him a pedicure.

Good luck, take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

At 10:25 PM 04/18/2000 -0400, you wrote:

>I wouldn't mind if all I had to do was repeat a answer the exact way each

>time, I know you think that is wrong of me, but to me that would be easy to

>deal with. My son has just busted the tiles in my shower becauce of a

>meltdown, He has this everytime he gets in there, which is everynight

>because he can not go to bed without taking one. We are at the point now

>that if he breaks the shower then he is shit out of luck.I don't want to

>sound crude, buts thats just how I feel. Sometimes I feel like I live in a

>hell. Our days can be so good together, but then the night comes, I am

>starting to hate the night has much as he is.

>

>Pat

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to his weight and his eating habits. This recommendation came from our

cardiologist in conjunction with our pediatrician. Once he really started

adding variety to his diet and was putting on more weight we went to

whole milk (w/chocolate). Nick still will not drink straight whole milk.

It has to have a tiny bit of chocolate powder mixed in.

I would think that if your son has not heart complications that may cause low

weight gain and he has no gastro problems he would follow the same

regimen of a typical child. Ask you doc at the next check-up.

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

Debbie,

Vinnie did start on cows milk at the age of 1,but he doesn't have any reflux or

digestion problems.

He and Sloan still get a bottle at nap & bed time.They use a sippy cup at all

other times during the day.

I will be taking the bottle away next week.They turn 2 on Saturday.

Kay,

Vinnie started standing without pulling up at 20 months and started taking steps

at 21 months.He is trying to run now... He still doesn't have the greatest of

balance and will drop to all fours when he wants to get some where really fast.

~,moma to (DS) & Sloan {2 years in 4 days}

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie,

I think I started my girls on cow's milk when they

were about 12 or 13 months old. They didn't want their

bottle after they were 15 months old. Hannah just

refused hers when she was 13 months old and

refused hers when she was 15 months old, so weining

them was very easy. They have both always been good

eaters and still are. I have to pull them away from

the table. lol.....

Pam mom to ID. twins Hannah and age 4.

--- & Debbie Drap <fivexblessed@...>

wrote:

> Hi Everyone and thank you for the warm reception.

>

> I was wondering if those of you who already have

> toddlers w/DS started your baby on cows milk at a

> year or did you stick with formula for another 6

> months to a year.

> I am asking because we are getting close to the 1

> year marker and I will be switching , who

> already feeds himself (I can't even get a spoon near

> him). I have not discussed this with the

> pediatrician or researched this yet. I thought I

> would take this oppotunity to ask you what you did,

> for those of you who have already " been there and

> done that " or those who have a plan in the works for

> this. I am planning on letting him continue with

> the bottle for anywhere up to 18months to 2 years.

> I have been told by the audiologist that it caould

> be good for his muscle development. My experience

> so far has been that I " adjust " his age to about

> half of what he really is and it usually is pretty

> close to where he is a developmentally.

> Keep in mind he has a pretty bad case of reflux and

> some digestive concerns. We are also looking at ear

> tubes in the next few weeks.

> By the way, I think my mom is the the best and she

> was in the room when the twins were born ( my

> husband was sick) and she knew the second she saw

> that he had DS. She was uplifting in her

> words and special feelings about babies like

> . She has been a huge source of support and

> encouragement. Although I know that she loves all

> my children equally, their is a " magic " that

> brings out in people and she is no

> exception.

>

> Debbie Drap -mother of 6, 5,

> 4, & -DS 10 months

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie,

I started on cows milk at a year. I had to thicken it with rice

ceral or thick-it because of he would aspirate. Anyway is still

on a bottle, he'll put it down when he is ready. He does have low tone

for sucking. He still has his binky. Now Tyler had reflux problems but

by the time he was a year he handled cows milk real well. He was on

zantac, which worked great for him. Good luck.

Kelli....The old woman who lives in a shoe, she has so many kids,

they're doing her in! mom to , Greg, Twins...set A- April & Ash,

and set B- (ds) & Tyler (age 4).

[Guest guest]

: That's exactly what Sam & did for the

longest time! They'd take one or two steps, drop to

the bear crawl, run, then stand up and take the last

remaining one or two steps. They did this for so long

I had visions of them being in Highschool Bear

crawling across the stage to get their diploma!!!

Judi-Mom to Sam & , 3, Identical Twins

--- tjfonz@... wrote:

> Vinnie started standing without pulling up at 20

> months and started taking steps at 21 months.He is

> trying to run now... He still doesn't have the

> greatest of balance and will drop to all fours when

> he wants to get some where really fast.

>

> ~,moma to (DS) & Sloan {2 years in 4

> days}

>

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