Hi new here

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group ! I don't have astmah, but I do have other

lung problems, as well as heart problems.

I hope to talk to you more later.

Jo (will soon be seing her med student flirt)

> my name is mary i have asthma and so does my daughter .i find it

very

> hard to get a job where anyone can understand what asthma can do a

> person .

[Guest guest]

Hi Leo

Welcome to the group. My name is Tracey and I have two daughters Coral

age 11 (12 in July) and Skylar age 9 1/2. Skylar was diagnosed as

autistic at the age of 3. Welcome to the group.

Tracey

ssleojay69 wrote:

> Hi all my name is Leo. My wife and I have 2 children Domenica 12 not

> autistic and Deanna 6 who is. She was diagnosed when she was 4. She

> is a very wonderful little girl and her sister is very helpful as

> well. Deanna is finishing her second year of Early Childhood

> Education here in Iowa and will be going into intergrated

> kindergarten next school year.That means she will be spending 50% of

> the day in a special needs kin. and the other in kin. We are very

> proud of our daughter with how she has developed. She is currently on

> concerta and guanfacine to help with her hyperactivity. My wife and

> are huge backers of her school(public) and class. Her teacher and the

> associates do a wonderful job with the kids (6 boys and 1 girl

> deanna). She is currently taking swimming lessonson tuesday which

> actually turns inti play time,but thats ok, it gets her out and doing

> somthing, not to mention its daddy and the kids time together to give

> mom that much needed brake. ok so much for the novel. I look forward

> to chatting e-mailing etc... thanks Leo

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nickie,

I'm sorry to hear about your husband's difficulties. I'm very interested in

the fact that your husband just received the vaccine 2 weeks ago. Could you

tell me what unit he is with? Does he know what lot number he was

vaccinated with?

F. Sorg

Anthrax Vaccination Program Exposed

http://www.avip2001.net/

gwvet@...

Hi new here

Hi I am new here and hope it is ok that I am here as I am not in the

Military, my husband is. My husband is currently deployed and almost

2 weeks ago he was forced to get the Anthrax vaccine (oh I am so

outraged over this) but anyway I am so worried about him because

over the last week in his e-mails to me he constantly talks about

how tired he his, how he oversleeps by hours (never like him) he

says he feels so depressed (again not like him at all, I realize

being away from me and our 3 children who he is very close to could

definatly cause depression), he has also said he feels like he has

lost the will to even get up most days and do anything. This worries

me to no end. My husband is a very hard worker, always gets

recognized for his hard work and extra efferts and now all of the

sudden he sounds like a different man .

My mind and heart tell me this has something to do with this vaccine

but of course my friends and family think I am crazy and loosing my

mind. Please tell me if any of this sounds familiar to anyone or if

you do think I am overreacting about it all.

Thanks for your time.

Nickie Garrett

[Guest guest]

My husband is on the USS Enterprise (RL Division)the whole ship is

being forced to take it right now. I am not sure of the lot # I told

him in an e-mail I wanted to know for our records.

Nickie

- In , " F. Sorg " <jfsorg@e...> wrote:

> Hi Nickie,

>

> I'm sorry to hear about your husband's difficulties. I'm very

interested in

> the fact that your husband just received the vaccine 2 weeks ago.

Could you

> tell me what unit he is with? Does he know what lot number he was

> vaccinated with?

>

> F. Sorg

> Anthrax Vaccination Program Exposed

> http://www.avip2001.net/

> gwvet@a...

>

> Hi new here

>

> Hi I am new here and hope it is ok that I am here as I am not in

the

> Military, my husband is. My husband is currently deployed and

almost

> 2 weeks ago he was forced to get the Anthrax vaccine (oh I am so

> outraged over this) but anyway I am so worried about him because

> over the last week in his e-mails to me he constantly talks about

> how tired he his, how he oversleeps by hours (never like him) he

> says he feels so depressed (again not like him at all, I realize

> being away from me and our 3 children who he is very close to could

> definatly cause depression), he has also said he feels like he has

> lost the will to even get up most days and do anything. This

worries

> me to no end. My husband is a very hard worker, always gets

> recognized for his hard work and extra efferts and now all of the

> sudden he sounds like a different man .

>

> My mind and heart tell me this has something to do with this

vaccine

> but of course my friends and family think I am crazy and loosing my

> mind. Please tell me if any of this sounds familiar to anyone or if

> you do think I am overreacting about it all.

>

> Thanks for your time.

> Nickie Garrett

[Guest guest]

Hi Vicky

My firends son was going through Dx when Sam was due for MMR, also he had lost his words by then and I didn;t wnat anything mudding the waters trying to pick pout effects of his xtra Y chromosome. I was the Manager of GP practice then, my job to keep the MMR rates over 90% so........................I doctored his records one Saturday morning when we had a locum in and said that he had it!

The difference with Sam over my eldest two boys was

1. I had an amalgam removed and replaced druing 2nd trimester

2. His xtra Y makes him more male, increases his chances of damage

3. ? Does 2 mean higher testosterone per Geiers latest reseach

4. Sam was my third delivery is space of 2 year 3 months, my body was depleted for sure of any goodd nutrients, felt like I was preggers or breast feeding for ever

5. All 3 were C sections, recently read that the spinals have thimersol in them

I have just been doign a timeline of all infections/treaments ready for seeing Dr Heard, had a tear or two (or 100) as I can see assault after assault on his poor little immune system, I have no doubts that if he were born on, and we lived on, a desert island (no vaccs, no fillings, no antibiotics), he would be chatting to me now and saying I love you mum..........

He will be one day!

Mandi

Was amazed to see Mandi you also skipped MMR, my youngest profound son didn't have it but oldest HFA had all the jabs????

[Guest guest]

Not Vicky but couldn't resist Yes Mandi he will, with mom like you He

will sure say I love you!

Lots of love

seema

> Hi Vicky

> My firends son was going through Dx when Sam was due for MMR, also

he had

> lost his words by then and I didn;t wnat anything mudding the

waters trying to

> pick pout effects of his xtra Y chromosome. I was the Manager of GP

practice

> then, my job to keep the MMR rates over 90%

so........................I

> doctored his records one Saturday morning when we had a locum in

and said that he

> had it!

>

> The difference with Sam over my eldest two boys was

> 1. I had an amalgam removed and replaced druing 2nd trimester

>

> 2. His xtra Y makes him more male, increases his chances of damage

>

> 3. ? Does 2 mean higher testosterone per Geiers latest reseach

>

> 4. Sam was my third delivery is space of 2 year 3 months, my body

was

> depleted for sure of any goodd nutrients, felt like I was preggers

or breast

> feeding for ever

>

> 5. All 3 were C sections, recently read that the spinals have

thimersol in

> them

>

> I have just been doign a timeline of all infections/treaments ready

for

> seeing Dr Heard, had a tear or two (or 100) as I can see assault

after assault on

> his poor little immune system, I have no doubts that if he were

born on, and

> we lived on, a desert island (no vaccs, no fillings, no

antibiotics), he

> would be chatting to me now and saying I love you mum..........

>

> He will be one day!

> Mandi

>

> Was amazed to see Mandi you also skipped MMR, my youngest profound

son

> didn't have it but oldest HFA had all the jabs????

[Guest guest]

> Hi Vicky

> My firends son was going through Dx when Sam was due for MMR, also

he had

> lost his words by then and I didn;t wnat anything mudding the

waters trying to

> pick pout effects of his xtra Y chromosome. I was the Manager of GP

practice

> then, my job to keep the MMR rates over 90%

so........................I

> doctored his records one Saturday morning when we had a locum in

and said that he

> had it!

>

> The difference with Sam over my eldest two boys was

> 1. I had an amalgam removed and replaced druing 2nd trimester

>

> 2. His xtra Y makes him more male, increases his chances of damage

>

> 3. ? Does 2 mean higher testosterone per Geiers latest reseach

>

> 4. Sam was my third delivery is space of 2 year 3 months, my body

was

> depleted for sure of any goodd nutrients, felt like I was preggers

or breast

> feeding for ever

>

> 5. All 3 were C sections, recently read that the spinals have

thimersol in

> them

>

> I have just been doign a timeline of all infections/treaments ready

for

> seeing Dr Heard, had a tear or two (or 100) as I can see assault

after assault on

> his poor little immune system, I have no doubts that if he were

born on, and

> we lived on, a desert island (no vaccs, no fillings, no

antibiotics), he

> would be chatting to me now and saying I love you mum..........

>

> He will be one day!

> Mandi

>

> Was amazed to see Mandi you also skipped MMR, my youngest profound

son

> didn't have it but oldest HFA had all the jabs????

I spent so much time in the dentists chair when,I was expecting my

youngest, he was 3 months premature, and emergency caesarian.

[Guest guest]

Hi Debby, welcome! I have a little over 100 lbs to lose still... look forward to getting to know you.

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: " Deb Holbrook " <dj_1022_3_3@...>

> New York.Im 46 and need to loss about 90 pounds. Im a young grandmother to

> 7 great kids ages 12 down to 6 months (3 girls and 4 boys)

Wow. I just can't imagine. I'm 42 and I have daughters 6 and 9. That's

the nice thing about the internet. I meet lots of people that I probably

wouldn't come across in real life.

> I like riding bikebut havent in a long time and feel too big to get on one

> but that is my goal

If you only need to lose 90 pounds then a bike shouldn't be a problem. I

rode one regularly at 270. I will hop on mine again as soon as the surgeon

clears me.

> before summer ends.I have joined lots of weight groups and tried alot

> of diets and nothing worked.

We all have so we can totally relate. What sort of plan are you interested

in?

Ann

[Guest guest]

Hi its me again, the 3 older kids (12,9, & 6 ) are my step grandkids

but to help them get along better we dont use that word (step

brother/sister) and so far for 5 years it has worked.

I havent rode a bike in over 3 years at one time I was well over

300,and now down to 225 so its going slower than it came but slow is

good in a way. All I do is watch what I eat and cut out the goodies

but life has been the pits the last year or so so I havent been all

that good. I dont drink water I do drink ice tea and lots of DEW and

that is alot of my problem.

I dont know the type of plan,exercises to follow. I do go to a

streching type of class once a week and its helped some with upper

body .And once the weather brakes here then my grandson and I have a

walking date set for every other day.Will take the others if they want

to go.I think that maybe just having some one to talk to is a good start.

Thanks for listening

Have a great night/day !!!!!

Debby

-- In 100-plus , " Ann and "

<maryannanderic@...> wrote:

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Deb Holbrook " <dj_1022_3_3@...>

>

> > New York.Im 46 and need to loss about 90 pounds. Im a young

grandmother to

> > 7 great kids ages 12 down to 6 months (3 girls and 4 boys)

>

> Wow. I just can't imagine. I'm 42 and I have daughters 6 and 9.

That's

> the nice thing about the internet. I meet lots of people that I

probably

> wouldn't come across in real life.

>

> > I like riding bikebut havent in a long time and feel too big to

get on one

> > but that is my goal

>

> If you only need to lose 90 pounds then a bike shouldn't be a

problem. I

> rode one regularly at 270. I will hop on mine again as soon as the

surgeon

> clears me.

>

> > before summer ends.I have joined lots of weight groups and tried alot

> > of diets and nothing worked.

>

> We all have so we can totally relate. What sort of plan are you

interested

> in?

>

> Ann

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks , Im looking forward to meeting and getting to know

alot of new friends.

Have a great day/night !!!!!!!

Debby

-- In 100-plus , ABrite@... wrote:

>

> Hi Debby, welcome! I have a little over 100 lbs to lose still... look

> forward to getting to know you.

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: " Deb Holbrook " <dj_1022_3_3@...>

> 300,and now down to 225 so its going slower than it came but slow is

> good in a way.

225???? You scrawny little thing you. Get your butt on your bike! Nothing

slowed me down at 225 and I'm only 5'2 " .

Ann

[Guest guest]

> I dont know the type of plan,exercises to follow. I do go to a

> streching type of class once a week and its helped some with upper

> body .And once the weather brakes here then my grandson and I have a

> walking date set for every other day.

Walking is about the best thing you can do, so enjoy it! That plus your

stretching classes should be enough.

> Thanks for listening

Thanks for being here!

Sue in NJ

[Guest guest]

> 225???? You scrawny little thing you. Get your butt on your bike!

Nothing

> slowed me down at 225 and I'm only 5'2 " .

LOL Yep, that would be scrawny in my book, too. 225 is only 5 away from my

*long term* goal at 5'5 " .

Sue in NJ

who hasn't seen that number in almost 30 years

[Guest guest]

Welcome Debby, I have enjoyed being in this group. It gives you some great moral support. It sounds like you have your exercise rountine taken care of. 7 grandkids...7 days in a week...equals 1 day of quality time with each grandchild doing active things that equals exercise:). I'm looking forward to getting to know you and following your progress.

Hi New Here

Hi just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Debby from upstateNew York.Im 46 and need to loss about 90 pounds. Im a young grandmother to 7 great kids ages 12 down to 6 months (3 girls and 4 boys) Not only am I looking for help for myself but to help my 9 yr old grandson toloss a few pounds. I had a knee injury while playing dodgeball lastfall with the kids so havent been to active since. I like riding bikebut havent in a long time and feel too big to get on one but that ismy goal before summer ends.I have joined lots of weight groups and tried alotof diets and nothing worked. Ive gone though so much with my dad and Ikeep telling my kids im going to get in shape I am boarder line diabetic.I have read alot of the messages on here and have gotten a few ideasto try but any other information on how to shape up and use weightsand all would be a great help.Thank you all for allowing me to join Have a great day !!!!!!!!!!Debby

[Guest guest]

Welcome Debby! You'll love it here 45 and playing dodge ball - I have a sister like that LOL. you must be the 'fun' grandma! Your priority is to get healthy and avoid crossing over the border with the diabetes. are you counting calories? eating balanced etc? If you're not rididng your bike have you found a workout you like? and are you drinking your water?Deb Holbrook <dj_1022_3_3@...> wrote: Hi just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Debby from upstate New York.Im 46 and need to loss about 90 pounds. Im a young grandmother to 7 great kids ages 12 down to 6 months (3 girls and 4 boys) Not only am I looking for help for myself but to help my 9 yr old grandson to loss a few pounds. I had a knee injury while playing dodgeball last fall with the kids so havent been to active since. I like riding bike but havent in a long time and feel too big to get on one but that is my goal before summer ends.I have joined lots

of weight groups and tried alotof diets and nothing worked. Ive gone though so much with my dad and I keep telling my kids im going to get in shape I am boarder line diabetic. I have read alot of the messages on here and have gotten a few ideas to try but any other information on how to shape up and use weights and all would be a great help. Thank you all for allowing me to join Have a great day !!!!!!!!!!DebbyLive, Love, Laugh

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Yes I am their fun grandma. Yes I want to get healthy, I want

though alot of health problems with my dad and dont want to put my

kids or grandkids though the same thing.

I have been walking for about a month now and doing some exercises

but thats about it No i dont count calories or eat balance diets and

thats a big no on water but I know i need to drink water each day.

I have started walking with my grandson inside a gym as we are doing a

walk for Autism Awareness for my youngest grandson who has autism

and hopefully we will be able to get some sponsors for it.

It is on April 29th and is 4 hours long wont do the whole 4

hours but I will do as much as I can and my other grandkids told me

this morning that they wanted to do it also They all know Little

is different and they all want to help.

Well it is getting late and I still need to fix dinner for the kids

will talk again soon

have a great day / weekend

debby

-- In 100-plus , <bryefield@...> wrote:

>

> Welcome Debby! You'll love it here 45 and playing dodge ball - I

have a sister like that LOL. you must be the 'fun' grandma! Your

priority is to get healthy and avoid crossing over the border with the

diabetes. are you counting calories? eating balanced etc? If you're

not rididng your bike have you found a workout you like? and are you

drinking your water?

>

> Deb Holbrook <dj_1022_3_3@...> wrote: Hi just wanted to introduce

myself. My name is Debby from upstate New York.Im 46 and need to loss

about 90 pounds. Im a young grandmother

> to 7 great kids ages 12 down to 6 months (3 girls and 4 boys) Not

only am I looking for help for myself but to help my 9 yr old grandson

to loss a few pounds. I had a knee injury while playing dodgeball last

fall with the kids so havent been to active since. I like riding bike

but havent in a long time and feel too big to get on one but that is

my goal before summer ends.I have joined lots of weight groups and

tried alot

> of diets and nothing worked. Ive gone though so much with my dad and

I keep telling my kids im going to get in shape I am boarder line

diabetic. I have read alot of the messages on here and have gotten a

few ideas to try but any other information on how to shape up and use

weights and all would be a great help. Thank you all for allowing me

to join

> Have a great day !!!!!!!!!!Debby

>

>

> Live, Love, Laugh

>

[Guest guest]

that's great the kids are going to walk too - 4 hours is a long time. do they have an online pledge sign up? I know our local MS walk was able to get online pledges. I'm not very active but the past 2 years - I've done the mile walk for the animal shelter - I have no idea how I got into that - I have to borrow my cousin's dog, talk him into taking the other and my daughter takes my sister's dog! the fact that it's only a mile and leisurally, and held the end of Sept make it enjoyable - though I was very winded last year and stopped twice - ok back to packing - enjoy the weekend!Deb Holbrook <dj_1022_3_3@...> wrote: Hi , Yes I am their fun grandma. Yes I want to get healthy, I want though alot of health problems with my dad and dont want to put my kids or grandkids though the same thing. I have been walking for about

a month now and doing some exercises but thats about it No i dont count calories or eat balance diets andthats a big no on water but I know i need to drink water each day. I have started walking with my grandson inside a gym as we are doing a walk for Autism Awareness for my youngest grandson who has autismand hopefully we will be able to get some sponsors for it. It is on April 29th and is 4 hours long wont do the whole 4 hours but I will do as much as I can and my other grandkids told me this morning that they wanted to do it also They all know Little is different and they all want to help. Well it is getting late and I still need to fix dinner for the kids will talk again soon have a great day / weekenddebby Live, Love, Laugh

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn and welcome to the group. I have a daughter, Bre, who was

diagnosed at age 12. She is now 15. She had ocd her whole life, when

I look back now. It seems to change over the years and now she is

managing it quite well. She has had perfectionism, afraid of germs,

couldn't make decisions, couldn't stand the " feel " of certain things

on her skin, hoarding, overresponsibility, scupulosity, and harming

thoughts. I have read alot on ocd and the best way to deal with it

is to learn how to face the fear and ride out the anxiety until it

goes down. Bre has learned to do this with an ocd therapist and she

is on meds. Sometimes meds are needed if the child is so upset they

can't even attempt therapy. She takes luvox and buspar.

When she first started therapy, she went once a week for 6 months.

She had harming thoughts of killing herself and others. This created

high anxiety and so it took awhile for her to overcome her fear. I

did reward her ocd homework she did so that she would be more

motivated to do it. She still will do exposures if she needs to.

Ocd is illogical and you can't reason with it. Learning to have

patience and using humour is very helpful.

Also seeking a second opinion certainly can't hurt.

Again, welcome.

Sandy

-- In , " sarda9999 " <godek@...> wrote:

>

> Hi to everyone-I just found about this group last night while

> searching the web for info on OCD. My 9 yr old daughter had her

> first appt yesterday. Just a bit of a background on her. She

started

> in the last few months picking up around the house. It started

with

> the toys on the living room rug (she has 3 younger sisters), then

> progressed to the rest of the house and progressively got worse.

She

> now has to have the curtains open, slip covers totally smoothed

out,

> nothing on the couch (like laundry to be folded), nothing near the

> doors (like groceries to go in our closet downstairs),toys in a

> certain spot, front porch cleaned with all the outside toys on the

> side, all shoes, etc put away, she does not want her sisters to

take

> out any toys so they won't make a mess, runs into the house

> immediately after school to check and crazily picks up, has to be

> the last to leave the house so she can shut certain doors and pick

> up. She's had a few fits when we wouldn't let her pick up like

> before school vacation when her sister was building a fort in the

> living room. She did not want that fort there and wanted to pick

it

> up. She didn't settle down until she could put it all away. I

talked

> to her ped at her 9 yr old check up and told her I was concerned

> because it was interferring with her life-she doesn't play, just

> pretends she is but is really cleaning and directing her sisters

and

> because it was affecting her sisters' lives. It is no fair to

them.

> She wasn't as bad at the appt as she is now. It seems to have

gotten

> worse quickly. It's so hard to get her to do things now because

she

> has to pick up. She also repeats alot-like in the bookstore I

> said " not much here " and through the rest of the store she

said " not

> much here right mom " over and over. She also wants you to answer

her

> when she says ok. Like she asks a question and I answer, she says

ok

> and if I don't say something she keeps saying " ok mom ok "

>

> My husband and I are kind of shell shocked after the visit

> yesterday. I had been thinking possible OCD but he doesn't know

> anything about it. The dr had us describe what was going on right

in

> front of my daughter. I know she felt terrible. I hated saying it

> all right in front of her. Then without even talking to her, he

> started telling us about the possible relation to suicide and

Zoloft

> and another med. He then said we could decide whether or not we

> would give her the med. We asked about therapy, he said that is

only

> 30% effective and the med is about 75%. I guess we were thinking

> she would maybe have weekly appts to talk. I know she is stressed

> out and having trouble with math and thought maybe it was related

to

> that. I guess we thought the dr was nice but aburpt. He said he

> wanted to see us in 2 wks regardless of when we started the med. I

> have a call in to her ped to ask her opinion and I was also going

to

> talk to the school pyschologist. My husband and I talked tonight

> about asking to see another dr to get a second opinion.

>

> Does this sound right? common? I know it's his field of expertise

> but I hate to just start medicine if there is anything else. It

> scares me to think of her on med for the rest of her life. I do

> understand that we have to consider the quality of her life and

ours

> though. We are very confused and feel like we are losing our

> patience way too much. We know she's frustrated and we are too. We

> feel terrible losing our patience with her when it's not her fault.

>

> Sorry this is so long. I didn't mean it to be. I have read some of

> your messages and hope to read more. It is very comforting to have

> someone to talk to and ask questions of. Thanks for reading this.

> Dawn

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn and welcome to the group. I have a daughter, Bre, who was

diagnosed at age 12. She is now 15. She had ocd her whole life, when

I look back now. It seems to change over the years and now she is

managing it quite well. She has had perfectionism, afraid of germs,

couldn't make decisions, couldn't stand the " feel " of certain things

on her skin, hoarding, overresponsibility, scupulosity, and harming

thoughts. I have read alot on ocd and the best way to deal with it

is to learn how to face the fear and ride out the anxiety until it

goes down. Bre has learned to do this with an ocd therapist and she

is on meds. Sometimes meds are needed if the child is so upset they

can't even attempt therapy. She takes luvox and buspar.

When she first started therapy, she went once a week for 6 months.

She had harming thoughts of killing herself and others. This created

high anxiety and so it took awhile for her to overcome her fear. I

did reward her ocd homework she did so that she would be more

motivated to do it. She still will do exposures if she needs to.

Ocd is illogical and you can't reason with it. Learning to have

patience and using humour is very helpful.

Also seeking a second opinion certainly can't hurt.

Again, welcome.

Sandy

-- In , " sarda9999 " <godek@...> wrote:

>

> Hi to everyone-I just found about this group last night while

> searching the web for info on OCD. My 9 yr old daughter had her

> first appt yesterday. Just a bit of a background on her. She

started

> in the last few months picking up around the house. It started

with

> the toys on the living room rug (she has 3 younger sisters), then

> progressed to the rest of the house and progressively got worse.

She

> now has to have the curtains open, slip covers totally smoothed

out,

> nothing on the couch (like laundry to be folded), nothing near the

> doors (like groceries to go in our closet downstairs),toys in a

> certain spot, front porch cleaned with all the outside toys on the

> side, all shoes, etc put away, she does not want her sisters to

take

> out any toys so they won't make a mess, runs into the house

> immediately after school to check and crazily picks up, has to be

> the last to leave the house so she can shut certain doors and pick

> up. She's had a few fits when we wouldn't let her pick up like

> before school vacation when her sister was building a fort in the

> living room. She did not want that fort there and wanted to pick

it

> up. She didn't settle down until she could put it all away. I

talked

> to her ped at her 9 yr old check up and told her I was concerned

> because it was interferring with her life-she doesn't play, just

> pretends she is but is really cleaning and directing her sisters

and

> because it was affecting her sisters' lives. It is no fair to

them.

> She wasn't as bad at the appt as she is now. It seems to have

gotten

> worse quickly. It's so hard to get her to do things now because

she

> has to pick up. She also repeats alot-like in the bookstore I

> said " not much here " and through the rest of the store she

said " not

> much here right mom " over and over. She also wants you to answer

her

> when she says ok. Like she asks a question and I answer, she says

ok

> and if I don't say something she keeps saying " ok mom ok "

>

> My husband and I are kind of shell shocked after the visit

> yesterday. I had been thinking possible OCD but he doesn't know

> anything about it. The dr had us describe what was going on right

in

> front of my daughter. I know she felt terrible. I hated saying it

> all right in front of her. Then without even talking to her, he

> started telling us about the possible relation to suicide and

Zoloft

> and another med. He then said we could decide whether or not we

> would give her the med. We asked about therapy, he said that is

only

> 30% effective and the med is about 75%. I guess we were thinking

> she would maybe have weekly appts to talk. I know she is stressed

> out and having trouble with math and thought maybe it was related

to

> that. I guess we thought the dr was nice but aburpt. He said he

> wanted to see us in 2 wks regardless of when we started the med. I

> have a call in to her ped to ask her opinion and I was also going

to

> talk to the school pyschologist. My husband and I talked tonight

> about asking to see another dr to get a second opinion.

>

> Does this sound right? common? I know it's his field of expertise

> but I hate to just start medicine if there is anything else. It

> scares me to think of her on med for the rest of her life. I do

> understand that we have to consider the quality of her life and

ours

> though. We are very confused and feel like we are losing our

> patience way too much. We know she's frustrated and we are too. We

> feel terrible losing our patience with her when it's not her fault.

>

> Sorry this is so long. I didn't mean it to be. I have read some of

> your messages and hope to read more. It is very comforting to have

> someone to talk to and ask questions of. Thanks for reading this.

> Dawn

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome Dawn!

I know how overwhelmed you must be right now...we have all been

there. I am glad you found this group. I don't post much, but I get a

lot of support and ideas by reading what others have to say. My son

was diagnosed last September with " bad thought " OCD. After 4 months

of weekly therapy, with a couple different psychologists, he is doing

very well. He now sees his therapist for " check-ups " every few months.

Did your daughter see a psychologist or a psychiatrist?

Psychologists specializing in the treatment of OCD, usually do CBT

(cognitive behavioral therapy) with ERP (exposure and response

prevention), while psychiatrists usually prescribe meds. My son's

first therapist began talking meds with us on our first visit as

well. We really wanted to give therapy at least a good 6 weeks before

considering meds. My son was able to complete his therapy without

traditional meds (I do give him Omega 3 fish oil supplements,

inositol, and a B complex vitamin). Although for some children their

anxiety is so great meds need to be implemented before therapy can be

successfully started. Many parents on this list can attest to what a

blessing meds have been for them and their children!

I would like to recommend 2 books that I read when this all

started for us. They have been invaluable!

Freeing Your Child From Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, by Tamar Chansky

What to do When Your Child has Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, by

Aureen Pinto Wagner

I go back to these books when new things pop up for my son or I

need a refresher on how to deal with OCD/anxiety issues at home. The

authors also go over how to find a good therapist and the med issues

as well.

I know I have gone on and on here. I hope something helps! Just know

that you are not alone and with time things are going to get better

for you and your daughter. Hang in there and keep us posted! ---Adrien

[Guest guest]

Dawn...

Welcome to the group. You mentioned about your " first appt " but didn't

indicate what type of doc you saw (psychiatrist or psychologist)??

Meds are very helpful, but you will hear from folks on this board who chose

to go with no meds for their child. I guess it just depends on the severity

of the symptoms, how much the quality of life is disrupted and you also have

to take into consideration ( I feel) the quality of life of other family

members.

My daughter will be 15 on Monday... diagnosed in January '06 (so we're

fairly new to this too) with OCD. Her's came on quite abruptly too. The

symptoms

came out full force upon the death of a good friend & neighbor - and then

only 1 1/2 months later, my father passed away. The pool little thing just

went into a death spiral from there. Non-stop hand washing ( we literally had

to physically pull her away from the sink, screaming & crying), 2-3 hour long

showers (she can't stop washing by herself)... these compulsions started to

branch out into non-germ-related issues like checking & rechecking (are the b

linds closed, is the door locked, etc).

My daughter is on Prozac 40mg/day. She started out on 10mg & each appt is

increased by 10mg. It is important to increase the dosage slowly & in small

increments. I will share this with you -- we were totally & completely

against meds when we started seeking treatment. Flat out told the doctor NO

WAY.

Our doctor explained it to us like this: When an OCD sufferer is under the

influence of OCD, they are unable to think clearly or rationally. You will

hear many times on this board how OCD has no logical side. Being in this state

of mind, it makes it very difficult to learn or concentrate on anything &

have it make sense (think of a squirmy, anxious, engery-filled child sitting in

a chair & trying to get them to concentrate or learn something...... not a

pretty sight, huh?) That is what it's like trying to go through therapy to

learn the tools/techniques to cope with OCD. The medication will actually calm

the child down enough to enable them to learn these techniques they're being

taught.

It all made so much sense to us when she explained it. She also likened it

to how they currently treat chronic pain. The key is to give the medication

to the patient BEFORE the pain is so unbearable, they can't pull back, even

with meds. With OCD, she said you want the child to learn how to deal with

the symptoms before they become too engrained. It just becomes more & more

difficult to pull them back as time goes on.

You will see many different thoughts & opinions on this board - because

everyone is different & every child is different. You & your doctor have to

find

the best treatment for your child.

The end of my story is this: Prozac changed my daughter's life. She has

free time again. She is a happy child again. When she comes home from school,

instead of DOOM on her face and saying she had a horrible day, she is

smiling & happy. Instead of tears all the time & frustration for me all night

(due

to the type of issues she has - all around showering, going to the bath

room, dressing, etc.... I am the ONLY family member that can help her) we have

good evenings with family time & games and TV.... and it's all due to the

medication. We saw benefits within 2 weeks, small ones, but benefits

none-the-less. And real improvement in many ways within 1 month. She still

has many

issues & the major symptoms are still there, but are SO much easier to deal

with.

We haven't even started CBT yet, that hopefully will start in June. We found

a psychologist to do it, but our first appt was just this past Tuesday and

we're still in the " interview " appt stage where she's getting to know our

daughter & our daughter is getting to know her, so nothing has really been done

it. We're considering making trips down to NC to Duke to get into an ERP

therapy over the summer..... hopefully I'll be able to arrange that.

GOOD LUCK TO YOU & YOUR FAMILY. Keep us all posted on how things go. In

keeping with using humor for a little relief in all this craziness..... I must

say, if I could 'swap' OCD with you, I would. I much rather would have my

daughter picking up my house than keeping me in the bathroom all day &

night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LT

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn, welcome! I wish I had more time now but I see you've

gotten some replies and great book recommendations!

I want to jump in here and say that your daughter does not have to

begin medication " necessarily. " The therapy is the *key* with OCD.

That's Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) and Exposure &

Response/ritual Prevention (ERP). However, many kids/adults do

take medication as it can be a great help also. And many times

medication is needed to help even begin to participate in therapy,

it helps with the anxiety and OCD. BUT with the *right* therapy

with someone who is *experienced* in treating OCD, some people can

eventually not need medication. So never think medication is a

*forever* thing; for some people yes, but not for all. With

therapy, as I think Sandy probably told you with her daughter Bre,

your daughter can learn the " tools " she needs to use to battle OCD.

The doctor did seem abrupt, some just don't have " people " skills!

I know that sounded scary about the medication. But I can listen to

the TV commercials for all these medications for arthritis and other

stuff and the person will go through all the possible side effects

and THOSE sound scary too! There are several medications to try

for OCD, most in the SSRI family. My son was on Celexa and did

well. I was worried about his starting also, what with some people

having to try more than 1 med to find one that works, the possible

side effects it could cause (moodiness or behavior or headaches

or...) but he did very well on it. It did make him tired though but

that was fine with me if that was the only problem!

My son's OCD ordeal began when he was around 11.5 He's now 17. And

we never found a therapist (small area) and had to manage on our own

(with this group's great help and all that reading/research we

parents do). Things would have progressed much faster for him, I'm

sure, with a good, experienced therapist. But we did make progress

on our own over time and he got/is soooo much better! Hey, OCD

seemed *gone* practically at times, but if I asked him he would say

it was " still there. " And he has begun going through a " waxing "

phase of it now but after beginning at the " worst, " it's mild/medium

now, good & bad days.

Have you visited the OCD Foundation website yet?? and the FILES

section of this group has good information.

So, I know I'm rambling a bit. But you CAN try therapy alone first,

you can try a medication first, you can begin them together.... If

your daughter really has HIGH anxiety with it all now, a therapist

might suggest medication for a month before beginning therapy,

hoping the anxiety will have lessened for your daughter.

Gotta go!

>

> Hi to everyone-I just found about this group last night while

> searching the web for info on OCD. My 9 yr old daughter had her

> first appt yesterday. Just a bit of a background on her. She

started

> in the last few months picking up around the house. It started

with

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

I'm new to this group also, and it is great! There are so many wonderful

people here to help and share stories with. (Reading your post was like reading

about myself. I have ocd, and that is the exact type I have-always having to be

the last to leave the house to straighten everything up. I'm always running

around from room to room all day picking up toys and arranging

everything.Everything has it's place.) Than I have my dd with a different form

of ocd, and my ds, with yet another form.(Crazy)

Welcome!!!!!

hugs

Judy

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

I'm new to this group also, and it is great! There are so many wonderful

people here to help and share stories with. (Reading your post was like reading

about myself. I have ocd, and that is the exact type I have-always having to be

the last to leave the house to straighten everything up. I'm always running

around from room to room all day picking up toys and arranging

everything.Everything has it's place.) Than I have my dd with a different form

of ocd, and my ds, with yet another form.(Crazy)

Welcome!!!!!

hugs

Judy