Re: Jittery feeling

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--- In thyroid treatment , "wjess19" <jess.linden.white@...> > My symptoms seem to vary a lot from day to day and although I mostly feel tired and sluggish, sometimes I feel like I'm kind of jittery and stuck in fast forward, does that happen to anyone else? > I feel almost shaky and that my heart is racing, even though it's not. My head feels like it's in the clouds unable to think properly and my body has too much energy.... But not 'good' energy if you see what I mean? I just feel jittery and I can't concentrate or focus on anything, I just sit at my desk and it feels like the world is just kind of racing past? My face gets quite flushed too and I feel like I have a fever but I don't have a temperature. It's sort of a dizzy feeling. > Last weekend I felt really great and it was a good kind if having energy this feels like I'm "running on adrenaline" to use a phrase. Like I drank too much coffee, it feels like I'm excited or nervous, but I'm not! > Sometimes my symptoms including my sore eyes get better just before my period, is that significant? My facial edema is only slight, mostly the eyes but this also varies.> I know I need to get my antibodies checked but GP is refusing so still trying to sort it out... > Sorry if this is a bit random I was just wondering if anyone else gets this and what it is?

Hi Jess,

ok, now you have told us your symptoms .... but what is your history? Have you been diagnosed, what are your results, what are you taking etc....

Your symptoms might suggest untreated adrenal fatigue and/or too much thyroid hormone, or both - but without knowing your background, it's just a guess. Tell us a bit about yourself, so we can get an impression of what might be going on.

Best wishes,

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Hi ,

Sorry, I've posted a few things on here before, I'm undisclosed, GP says nothing

wrong with me and refused more tests. TSH was 2.55 ft4 was 9.9 (7.5-21). I've

been feeling bad about a year or so now. Worst symptoms are dry eyes, reflux and

aches.

I've bought erfa but not started yet as I wanted to make sure everything was in

order first. I am about to do the saliva cortisol Genova test.

Thanks,

Jess

> Hi Jess,

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> ok, now you have told us your symptoms .... but what is your history?

> Have you been diagnosed, what are your results, what are you taking

> etc....

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This is one of Jess' threads... a lot more info on there

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> Hi Jess,

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> ok, now you have told us your symptoms .... but what is your history?

> Have you been diagnosed, what are your results, what are you taking

> etc....

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Hi Jess

did you buy any Vitamin A in the end? Just wondering if it was helping with the

dry eyes?

>I've been feeling bad about a year or so now. Worst symptoms are dry eyes,

reflux and aches.

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Are you on any adrenal support? Your symptoms sound adrenal to me. (doesn't

mean that's what they are, though ). I got horrible wired feelings when I took

nutri adrenal.

when are you going to take the adrenal test?

chris

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> This is one of Jess' threads... a lot more info on there

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Hi Jess,

OK, thanks – I have now read the previous threads (thanks, Chris) and I'm getting the picture. To me it looks like a pretty clear case of hypothyroidism with possible low adrenal function. Don't be fooled by a "normal" TSH, whatever your GP told you. Fluctuating TSH is one of the hallmarks of Hashimoto's disease. A high TSH (almost) always indicates Hypothyroidism, but a low TSH does not rule it out.

Your low thyroid might have been caused by the swine flu infection you had 2 years ago. According to Dr. Skinner – and I quote – a history of influenza and particularly influenza B is common and a notable number of patients developed hypothyroidism following and outbreak of influenza B in 1989 in Birmingham (unquote) ... From his book I gather that Dr. Skinner is an avid believer in viral or bacterial infections causing hypothyroidism. He is less convinced about cell mediated immunology (i.e. Hashimoto's) causing hypothyroidism, but that's a technical point. Whatever the cause (in your case either swine flu or Hashimoto's), the treatment is the same; although in my personal view it is useful to know whether one has a thyroid condition or an autoimmune condition causing a thyroid condition. To this end I would always recommend to have the thyroid antibodies tested. I see from one of your previous threads that your GP was giving you some duff gen for reasons not to test yours, so for peace of mind you may someday want to have those antibodies tested privately, i.e. with Genova – Or, if you find yourself a more knowledgeable GP, perhaps he or she will order the test for you. There's no immediate rush – you either have them, or you don't. Thyroid treatment won't alter that.

Right – course of action.... If I were in your position, I would do the salivary cortisol test as planned and then start taking NAX (Nutri Adrenal Extra). Your adrenals are bound to be tired, and a course of NAX (even if strictly speaking not needed) won't hurt anyone. If your test result comes back as totally normal, then you've given your adrenals a bit of a boost – if it comes back low, you'll have a head start. I would not start Erfa for at least 8 days after starting NAX. That's a safety measure, just in case your adrenal function is very low.

I think there was a discussion within your previous thread, but I've forgotten now which of your minerals and vitamins are too low. But the important ones are ferritin (iron), magnesium, folate, copper, zinc, Vit D3 and Vit B12. All of them need to be at the top of their respective ref ranges.... anything lower than the upper third needs supplementing. So you need to sort that out. Ferritin, D3 and B12 are most commonly low ....

In addition IMO you need the highest Co-Q10 concentration you can afford. 200+ mg would be ideal, but 100 mg is ok - Q10 is expensive, hence me saying `what you can afford'.

You also need Vit C – at least 1000 mg per day, ideally more – up to bowel tolerance ... I take 3000 mg per day.

And last, but not least – Selenium.... 180-200 iu per day.... and then you are all set J - hope I haven't forgotten anything.....

Oh – perhaps something else.... you mention reflux as one of your clinical symptoms.... check your stomach acid. It might be low; paradoxically low stomach acid presents with identical symptoms to high stomach acid... most hypo's have too little stomach acid and need some HCL Betaine... please read the following. http://dshedu.com/HowTo/Betaine/ If you do the test and find you have low stomach acid, you may need to supplement with HCl Betaine. Low stomach acid prevents the absorption of minerals and this could be the reason why some mineral levels are depleted and difficult to raise.

If/when you start your Erfa, do start with half a grain (30 mg) in the mornings – at least 1 hour before breakfast and hold that dosage for about 4 weeks. Do not be tempted to raise the dose too early; it can backfire. The body has to get used to the new hormones slowly. If you need to supplement iron make sure that you always keep iron supplements at least 4 hours either side of taking thyroid hormone. The two don't mix (or rather they mix too well and then neither work properly).

When you see Dr. Peatfield in November, he will most likely tell you exactly the same and more. And to answer another one of your previous questions – no, I trial of thyroid hormone will not permanently shut down your thyroid function…. This is something doctors tell you to scare you.

Good luck J and any questions, just shout.

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Hi

When I followed the link to buy it the product was out of stock, I've been

checking back periodically but no luck yet, should I wait for this Labs

one or do you recommend another brand?

I'm not on adrenal support at the moment, going to try it though, I guess it

can't do any harm and it seems to be the thing you need to do before starting

NDT? And I can always come off it if I feel worse?

I'm doing the adrenal test today, to pop in the post tomorrow, special delivery.

Thanks for posting the links to my previous posts.

Jess

> did you buy any Vitamin A in the end? Just wondering if it was helping with

the dry eyes?

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Hi christina,

Thanks for your reply, interesting to know about the flu connection, I didn't

know that. Thanks also for all the advice about supplements etc. Ive replied to

the points below:

> Right – course of action.... If I were in your position, I would do

> the salivary cortisol test as planned and then start taking NAX (Nutri

> Adrenal Extra). Your adrenals are bound to be tired,

Is it ok just to get the nutrition adrenal without the extra? I already take

mega doses of the b vitamins in my solgar women's vitamins. Is it just the same

thing without the vits?

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> I've forgotten now which of your minerals and vitamins are too low.

Sadly my doctor won't test them but I felt better after some iron, I think iron

seems to make the reflux better, Im not sure why?

Thanks fo the low stomach acid info, I tried taking water with lemon on but that

only made it worse, I thought it might help, does that rule it out? The reflux

is a bit better than it was, but still not great.

I'm doing the adrenal test today, buying the nutri adrenal extra and then after

8 days I guess I'll try the erfa. I really hope I start to feel better, I feel

pretty lousy all in all, I feel like I've lost the ability to think.

Thanks so much,

Jess

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Hi Jess

I know the douglas is a good brand, and i've had no problems taking it. other

brands are available :-)

you can get douglas vit A from this shop, i think it's in the netherlands

http://www.puresto.eu/Vitamins/AV1-100/Vitamin-A-10000-I.U-from--Laborato\

ries.html - i have ordered from them before, it takes a week or so to get here.

>> I'm not on adrenal support at the moment, going to try it though, I guess it

can't do any harm and it seems to be the thing you need to do before starting

NDT? And I can always come off it if I feel worse?

if you're just using stuff like Nutri adrenal or Adrenal cortex extract, then i

have read it should be ok to do that....but if you're in any doubt, wait until

you have seen your adrenal saliva results?

http://www.mandimart.co.uk/adrenal-cortex-50mg-by-thorne-research-60-capsules-71\

9-p.asp - i got on better with this product than the Nutri stuff, but others

say the nutri helps them - guess it's whatever suits you...

Chris

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> Hi

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> When I followed the link to buy it the product was out of stock, I've been

checking back periodically but no luck yet, should I wait for this Labs

one or do you recommend another brand?

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Hello Jess,Is it ok just to get the nutrition adrenal without the extra? I already take mega doses of the b vitamins in my solgar women's vitamins. Is it just the same thing without the vits?

That is difficult to judge. NA is 100 mg adrenal tissue concentrate only, whereas NAX contains double the amount of adrenal concentrate (200 mg) plus pituitary concentrate plus all the B vitamins and minerals.Ingredients:Each tablet typically provides:

Vitamin C (as Ascorbic Acid) Vitamin B1 (Thiamin HCl) Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin) Vitamin B3 (Niacinamide)Vitamin B5 (d-calcium Pantothenate)Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine HCl) Magnesium (Citrate) Zinc (Ascorbate)Chromium Picotinate Bioflavonoids Choline Bitartrate Adrenal tissue concentratePituitary tissue concentrateAll tissue concentrates are of bovine source from New Zealand.

150mg20 mg20 mg 20 mg60 mg20 mg75 mg3mg 40ug 40mg 20mg200mg15mg

The above is a list of ingredients for NAX, which is a careful combination of adrenal strengthening components – please compare those with the other B vitamins and minerals you are taking, but bear in mind that the above is the content of just one NAX. Most people take 2 or more, up to 6 a day, so you'd have multiply the respective mg by the amount of tablets you'd be taking in the end. There is more than one way to support the adrenals, but to my mind it's convenient to have all the correct amounts of vitamins, minerals and glandulars combined in one tablet.

Sadly my doctor won't test them but I felt better after some iron, I think iron seems to make the reflux better, Im not sure why?

I'm sorry, I have no idea about a possible connection between iron and reflux, but one way or another you need to find out your levels of ferritin, folate, magnesium, zinc, copper, Vit D3 and Vit B12.... In the meantime it would probably be advisable to take at least 1000 iu of Vit D3 anyway every day. Summer is over and we are all bound to go down with our D3 levels. 1000 iu is a good dosage to at least maintain your current level.

Thanks for the low stomach acid info, I tried taking water with lemon on but that only made it worse, I thought it might help, does that rule it out? The reflux is a bit better than it was, but still not great.

If you had low stomach acid, I don't think that lemon juice would be a suitable substitute, and no, it would not rule out anything. You would need hydrochloric acid in form of HCL Betaine to test whether or not you have too much or too little stomach acid. You would have to either test yourself (as described in the link) or you would have to ask your doctor to test you – although that is probably unrealistic, as he or she would just say reflux is a sign of too much acid and would tell you to take antacids. Unfortunately most doctors are as ignorant about stomach acid as they are about thyroid matters. My own GP gave me the most strange look when I told him about my little problem with Hypochloridia....

I'm doing the adrenal test today, buying the nutri adrenal extra and then after 8 days I guess I'll try the erfa. I really hope I start to feel better, I feel pretty lousy all in all, I feel like I've lost the ability to think.

Yep – that sounds hypothyroid all right ;o)) - this is why so many of us are told by our doctors it's `all in our heads'.... which in a sense is correct. A lack of T3 to our brains will rob us of our ability to think clearly and will make us depressed.

Good luck J

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Hi there Jess, Just seen ya post and i know exactly how you feel with the

jittery feeling! Im just plucking the courage up to go back to my doctor as they

have been treating me for stress for a year now and ive always thought that

wasnt right as im not a stressy person normally. Fingers crossed you get sorted

soon

Sharon x

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> Hi there,

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> My symptoms seem to vary a lot from day to day and although I mostly feel

tired and sluggish, sometimes I feel like I'm kind of jittery and stuck in fast

forward, does that happen to anyone else?

>

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Hi

I had to go to a conference in Slough yesterday and they had a nutrition shop in

the same building as the Tesco there. I managed to get some vitamin A in olive

oil that you drop under your tongue, so hopefully I should be able to get the

levels up. I'll let you know if that helps my eyes. I know the air conditioning

of the conference center certainly didn't - ow! I keep having a twitchy right

eye on and off since yesterday, feels a bit odd.

Thanks,

Jess

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> I know the douglas is a good brand, and i've had no problems taking it. other

brands are available :-)

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> you can get douglas vit A from this shop, i think it's in the netherlands

http://www.puresto.eu/Vitamins/AV1-100/Vitamin-A-10000-I.U-from--Laborato\

ries.html - i have ordered from them before, it takes a week or so to get here.

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Hi Jess

what source is the vit A from? mine was from fish oil, i believe...

let us know how you get on with it

chris

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> Hi

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> I had to go to a conference in Slough yesterday and they had a nutrition shop

in the same building as the Tesco there. I managed to get some vitamin A in

olive oil that you drop under your tongue, so

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Thanks for the replies for the jitteryness everyone, I'm not feeling like that

any more, it comes and goes, today I just feel lethargic and slow, it's weird.

Hi the Vitamin A is from retinyl pamitate, it says on the back. Do you

think that's ok? I just googled it and it looks a bit scary..

> what source is the vit A from? mine was from fish oil, i believe...

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> let us know how you get on with it

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Hi Jess

I've no idea about the retinyl - I took the solgar version of that for a while,

but now i take the fish oil form.....

chris

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> Hi the Vitamin A is from retinyl pamitate, it says on the back. Do you

think that's ok? I just googled it and it looks a bit scary..

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Retinyl palmitate is obtained from palm oil so many vegetarians prefer to take

vitamin A in this form rather than the type derived from fish oil.

Sharon

" I've no idea about the retinyl - I took the solgar version of that for a while,

but now i take the fish oil form.....

the Vitamin A is from retinyl pamitate, it says on the back. Do you think

that's ok? "