Guest guest Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Hi all, I am new to the group and have been reading every single post. I am so amazed by the knowledge and dedication of all of the members here. I have several questions. What are pros and cons of the Standard process Promaline Iodine. This is what my N.D. put me on, because this is the product line she uses. I am titrating up 1 tablet per day. Today is day 10 (30mg). How do you know when to stop titrating up? I had no idea that people took past 50 mg. How would someone know that they needed as much as 150mg? I have had no major detox yet, just a slight headache on a couple of the days and some fatigue the first couple of days. I am taking the companion nutrients. Are the standard process and Iodoral interchangeable if I wanted to take less tablets on certain days or should I stick with one? Thanks a bunch! Dede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 Whoa, Dede! You are titrating up 1 pill / day? Dr. West recommends SLOWLY increasing by 1 pill / week. (In the files under " 20 Articles From Clinicians " > West, " Iodine Fulfillment Therapy " ). I found the same text online here: http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/learning/iodine-fulfillment-therapy.html Dr. West prefers the Prolamine Iodine because it's " organic " and Lugol's is " inorganic " , whatever that means regarding iodine. I've looked at the product ..pdf from Standard Process and see that each pill is 3 mg Iodine with no mention of Potassium Iodide in there - so it's not the same as Lugol's or Iodoral. I have no idea if there is a benefit to it being organic - I assume meaning it comes from a living source or something. My Mom and I have both taken Prolamine Iodine since 2004 - but just 1 pill / day, never attempting Iodine Fulfillment Therapy with this product. My thoughts are that it's a very expensive way to do iodine fulfillment. That bottle of 90 isn't going to last long at the rate you're going. Both Lugol's and Iodoral cost much less for more iodine and you would be getting the proper mix of Iodine and Potassium Iodide with them. The article mentions the possibility of needing 12 pills / day for 3 months to reach whole body Iodine sufficiency. That would be a lot of Prolamine Iodine. It might be good for maintenance later, but for now I would suggest another source. Karyn > > Hi all, > > I am new to the group and have been reading every single post. I am so amazed by the knowledge and dedication of all of the members here. I have several questions. > > What are pros and cons of the Standard process Promaline Iodine. This is what my N.D. put me on, because this is the product line she uses. I am titrating up 1 tablet per day. Today is day 10 (30mg). How do you know when to stop titrating up? I had no idea that people took past 50 mg. How would someone know that they needed as much as 150mg? I have had no major detox yet, just a slight headache on a couple of the days and some fatigue the first couple of days. I am taking the companion nutrients. > > Are the standard process and Iodoral interchangeable if I wanted to take less tablets on certain days or should I stick with one? > > Thanks a bunch! > > Dede > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 <Dr. West prefers the Prolamine Iodine because it's "organic" and Lugol's is "inorganic", whatever that means regarding iodine.> Surprisingly, from what I've researched, inorganic iodine, not organic is needed. I can no longer recall the science behind this assertion, so I hope someone will be able to chime in here. On 7/30/2011 10:46 PM, Karyn Curtis wrote: Whoa, Dede! You are titrating up 1 pill / day? Dr. West recommends SLOWLY increasing by 1 pill / week. (In the files under "20 Articles From Clinicians" > West, "Iodine Fulfillment Therapy"). I found the same text online here: http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/learning/iodine-fulfillment-therapy.html Dr. West prefers the Prolamine Iodine because it's "organic" and Lugol's is "inorganic", whatever that means regarding iodine. I've looked at the product .pdf from Standard Process and see that each pill is 3 mg Iodine with no mention of Potassium Iodide in there - so it's not the same as Lugol's or Iodoral. I have no idea if there is a benefit to it being organic - I assume meaning it comes from a living source or something. My Mom and I have both taken Prolamine Iodine since 2004 - but just 1 pill / day, never attempting Iodine Fulfillment Therapy with this product. My thoughts are that it's a very expensive way to do iodine fulfillment. That bottle of 90 isn't going to last long at the rate you're going. Both Lugol's and Iodoral cost much less for more iodine and you would be getting the proper mix of Iodine and Potassium Iodide with them. The article mentions the possibility of needing 12 pills / day for 3 months to reach whole body Iodine sufficiency. That would be a lot of Prolamine Iodine. It might be good for maintenance later, but for now I would suggest another source. Karyn > > Hi all, > > I am new to the group and have been reading every single post. I am so amazed by the knowledge and dedication of all of the members here. I have several questions. > > What are pros and cons of the Standard process Promaline Iodine. This is what my N.D. put me on, because this is the product line she uses. I am titrating up 1 tablet per day. Today is day 10 (30mg). How do you know when to stop titrating up? I had no idea that people took past 50 mg. How would someone know that they needed as much as 150mg? I have had no major detox yet, just a slight headache on a couple of the days and some fatigue the first couple of days. I am taking the companion nutrients. > > Are the standard process and Iodoral interchangeable if I wanted to take less tablets on certain days or should I stick with one? > > Thanks a bunch! > > Dede > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 Thanks, Karyn. I think that he has changed his views on this. I read something that he wrote this year and I don't think that he is as cautious or slow with his recommendations. I would love to know if one is considered better/worse than the other. I know which one my ND likes, but it is going to be way expensive (and inconvenient) at the higher doses. Deidre > > > > Hi all, > > > > I am new to the group and have been reading every single post. I am so amazed by the knowledge and dedication of all of the members here. I have several questions. > > > > What are pros and cons of the Standard process Promaline Iodine. This is what my N.D. put me on, because this is the product line she uses. I am titrating up 1 tablet per day. Today is day 10 (30mg). How do you know when to stop titrating up? I had no idea that people took past 50 mg. How would someone know that they needed as much as 150mg? I have had no major detox yet, just a slight headache on a couple of the days and some fatigue the first couple of days. I am taking the companion nutrients. > > > > Are the standard process and Iodoral interchangeable if I wanted to take less tablets on certain days or should I stick with one? > > > > Thanks a bunch! > > > > Dede > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 Dr West is mistaken. All iodine that is used for supplementation is called " inorganic " . The only " organic " iodine is the radioactive stuff. Dr Brownstein covers this in his book. The distinction is purely a designation of chemistry science. It has nothing to do with organic as it is typically used to mean food or gardening or agriculture. Practitioners who use Standard Process believe strongly in their formulations and they are going to stick with it, and in general it's true that SP formulations are super high quality. However, Prolamine does not have the companion nutrients in it, and it's REALLY EXPENSIVE to take at the milligram doses needed. Lugol's is the proper ratio of potassium iodide and elemental iodine. Yes, Iodoral can be taken at the same time as Prolamine, but I personally would not continue to buy the SP product for iodine supplementation. Second, the theory of " Iodine Fulfillment " in 3 months is not factual. There is no way to say that any single person will be saturated with iodine in 3 months. There are way too many variables, such as environmental exposures to iodine-mimicking bromides, diet, levels of supplementation, and whether or not companion nutrients are included, to start with. Plus, a person needs to stay on iodine, at least 25mg, to keep ahead of the toxic burden that blocks iodine in the body. So please don't buy into this 3-month idea that it's all fixed and then you don't need to do iodine anymore, or can go to 3mg per day, or whatever the promise is. A lot of NPs and MDs and so forth who think they are iodine positive are still affected by the negative, false lies that Western medicine still teaches in med school. They are still buying into it on some level, which is why they are so cautious as to be of little help. -- At 12:46 AM 7/31/2011, you wrote: >Whoa, Dede! You are titrating up 1 pill / day? Dr. West recommends >SLOWLY increasing by 1 pill / week. (In the files under " 20 Articles From >Clinicians " > West, " Iodine Fulfillment Therapy " ). I found the same text >online here: >http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/learning/iodine-fulfillment-therapy.html > >Dr. West prefers the Prolamine Iodine because it's " organic " and Lugol's >is " inorganic " , whatever that means regarding iodine. I've looked at the >product .pdf from Standard Process and see that each pill is 3 mg Iodine >with no mention of Potassium Iodide in there - so it's not the same as >Lugol's or Iodoral. I have no idea if there is a benefit to it being >organic - I assume meaning it comes from a living source or something. > >My Mom and I have both taken Prolamine Iodine since 2004 - but just 1 pill >/ day, never attempting Iodine Fulfillment Therapy with this product. My >thoughts are that it's a very expensive way to do iodine >fulfillment. That bottle of 90 isn't going to last long at the rate >you're going. Both Lugol's and Iodoral cost much less for more iodine and >you would be getting the proper mix of Iodine and Potassium Iodide with them. > >The article mentions the possibility of needing 12 pills / day for 3 >months to reach whole body Iodine sufficiency. That would be a lot of >Prolamine Iodine. It might be good for maintenance later, but for now I >would suggest another source. > >Karyn > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I am new to the group and have been reading every single post. I am so > amazed by the knowledge and dedication of all of the members here. I > have several questions. > > > > What are pros and cons of the Standard process Promaline Iodine. This > is what my N.D. put me on, because this is the product line she uses. I > am titrating up 1 tablet per day. Today is day 10 (30mg). How do you > know when to stop titrating up? I had no idea that people took past 50 > mg. How would someone know that they needed as much as 150mg? I have > had no major detox yet, just a slight headache on a couple of the days > and some fatigue the first couple of days. I am taking the companion > nutrients. > > > > Are the standard process and Iodoral interchangeable if I wanted to > take less tablets on certain days or should I stick with one? > > > > Thanks a bunch! > > > > Dede > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT >group IodineOT/ > > >The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) >iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ\ %20FIRST/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 That's because Iodoral contains both forms of Iodine and Iodide and is a higher dosage than the Prolamine. Your thyroid may be kicking out toxins or realizes that there is more iodine so it is swelling to capture more. Buist, ND HC RE: Re: Standard Process Iodine I did very well on Standard Process Iodine. I actually felt well on it and was disappointed when my doctor discontinued it and told me to use iodized salt. I tried Indoral and even one tab after several days makes my throat feel thick and swallowing is noticaeable.Joan Dr West is mistaken. All iodine that is used for supplementation is called "inorganic". The only "organic" iodine is the radioactive stuff. Dr Brownstein covers this in his book. The distinction is purely a designation of chemistry science. It has nothing to do with organic as it is typically used to mean food or gardening or agriculture.Practitioners who use Standard Process believe strongly in their formulations and they are going to stick with it, and in general it's true that SP formulations are super high quality. However, Prolamine does not have the companion nutrients in it, and it's REALLY EXPENSIVE to take at the milligram doses needed. Lugol's is the proper ratio of potassium iodide and elemental iodine. Yes, Iodoral can be taken at the same time as Prolamine, but I personally would not continue to buy the SP product for iodine supplementation.Second, the theory of "Iodine Fulfillment" in 3 months is not factual. There is no way to say that any single person will be saturated with iodine in 3 months. There are way too many variables, such as environmental exposures to iodine-mimicking bromides, diet, levels of supplementation, and whether or not companion nutrients are included, to start with. Plus, a person needs to stay on iodine, at least 25mg, to keep ahead of the toxic burden that blocks iodine in the body. So please don't buy into this 3-month idea that it's all fixed and then you don't need to do iodine anymore, or can go to 3mg per day, or whatever the promise is.A lot of NPs and MDs and so forth who think they are iodine positive are still affected by the negative, false lies that Western medicine still teaches in med school. They are still buying into it on some level, which is why they are so cautious as to be of little help.--. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 Yes, daughter and I both had this happen at very small doses. Linn > > That's because Iodoral contains both forms of Iodine and Iodide and is a higher dosage than the Prolamine. Your thyroid may be kicking out toxins or realizes that there is more iodine so it is swelling to capture more. > > Buist, ND HC > > > RE: Re: Standard Process Iodine > > > > > I did very well on Standard Process Iodine. I actually felt well on it and was disappointed when my doctor discontinued it and told me to use iodized salt. I tried Indoral and even one tab after several days makes my throat feel thick and swallowing is noticaeable. > > Joan > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Dr West is mistaken. All iodine that is used for supplementation is called > " inorganic " . The only " organic " iodine is the radioactive stuff. Dr > Brownstein covers this in his book. The distinction is purely a > designation of chemistry science. It has nothing to do with organic as it > is typically used to mean food or gardening or agriculture. > > Practitioners who use Standard Process believe strongly in their > formulations and they are going to stick with it, and in general it's true > that SP formulations are super high quality. However, Prolamine does not > have the companion nutrients in it, and it's REALLY EXPENSIVE to take at > the milligram doses needed. Lugol's is the proper ratio of potassium > iodide and elemental iodine. Yes, Iodoral can be taken at the same time as > Prolamine, but I personally would not continue to buy the SP product for > iodine supplementation. > > Second, the theory of " Iodine Fulfillment " in 3 months is not > factual. There is no way to say that any single person will be saturated > with iodine in 3 months. There are way too many variables, such as > environmental exposures to iodine-mimicking bromides, diet, levels of > supplementation, and whether or not companion nutrients are included, to > start with. Plus, a person needs to stay on iodine, at least 25mg, to keep > ahead of the toxic burden that blocks iodine in the body. So please don't > buy into this 3-month idea that it's all fixed and then you don't need to > do iodine anymore, or can go to 3mg per day, or whatever the promise is. > > A lot of NPs and MDs and so forth who think they are iodine positive are > still affected by the negative, false lies that Western medicine still > teaches in med school. They are still buying into it on some level, which > is why they are so cautious as to be of little help. > > -- > > > > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 One Standard Process = 3 mg of iodine and I took four a day.One Iodoral is 5 mg of iodine and it causes the swelling/choking feeling so the second variable of iodide that gave me issues.Joan That's because Iodoral contains both forms of Iodine and Iodide and is a higher dosage than the Prolamine. Your thyroid may be kicking out toxins or realizes that there is more iodine so it is swelling to capture more. Buist, ND HC I did very well on Standard Process Iodine. I actually felt well on it and was disappointed when my doctor discontinued it and told me to use iodized salt. I tried Indoral and even one tab after several days makes my throat feel thick and swallowing is noticaeable.Joan Dr West is mistaken. All iodine that is used for supplementation is called "inorganic". The only "organic" iodine is the radioactive stuff. Dr Brownstein covers this in his book. The distinction is purely a designation of chemistry science. It has nothing to do with organic as it is typically used to mean food or gardening or agriculture.Practitioners who use Standard Process believe strongly in their formulations and they are going to stick with it, and in general it's true that SP formulations are super high quality. However, Prolamine does not have the companion nutrients in it, and it's REALLY EXPENSIVE to take at the milligram doses needed. Lugol's is the proper ratio of potassium iodide and elemental iodine. Yes, Iodoral can be taken at the same time as Prolamine, but I personally would not continue to buy the SP product for iodine supplementation.Second, the theory of "Iodine Fulfillment" in 3 months is not factual. There is no way to say that any single person will be saturated with iodine in 3 months. There are way too many variables, such as environmental exposures to iodine-mimicking bromides, diet, levels of supplementation, and whether or not companion nutrients are included, to start with. Plus, a person needs to stay on iodine, at least 25mg, to keep ahead of the toxic burden that blocks iodine in the body. So please don't buy into this 3-month idea that it's all fixed and then you don't need to do iodine anymore, or can go to 3mg per day, or whatever the promise is.A lot of NPs and MDs and so forth who think they are iodine positive are still affected by the negative, false lies that Western medicine still teaches in med school. They are still buying into it on some level, which is why they are so cautious as to be of little help.--. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Iodized salt will not get you anywhere. I'm very sorry that people's doctors are so misinformed about iodine. But please do not think you are getting what you need from iodized salt. First, it's not enough iodine to do a bit of good except possibly keep you from getting a goiter-- that is not a state of health. Second, the type of iodine in iodized salt is not very bioavailable. Third, iodized salt is refined and is bad for you because it throws off the body's mineral balance. Unrefined salt is good for you because its mineral balance is the same as our body's, so it supports the correct mineral balance, as it is MEANT to do. -- At 10:03 PM 7/31/2011, you wrote: >Yes, daughter and I both had this happen at very small doses. > >Linn > > > > > > That's because Iodoral contains both forms of Iodine and Iodide and is > a higher dosage than the Prolamine. Your thyroid may be kicking out > toxins or realizes that there is more iodine so it is swelling to capture > more. > > > > Buist, ND HC > > > > > > RE: Re: Standard Process Iodine > > > > > > > > > > I did very well on Standard Process Iodine. I actually felt well on > it and was disappointed when my doctor discontinued it and told me to use > iodized salt. I tried Indoral and even one tab after several days makes > my throat feel thick and swallowing is noticaeable. > > > > Joan > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Dr West is mistaken. All iodine that is used for supplementation is > called > > " inorganic " . The only " organic " iodine is the radioactive stuff. Dr > > Brownstein covers this in his book. The distinction is purely a > > designation of chemistry science. It has nothing to do with organic > as it > > is typically used to mean food or gardening or agriculture. > > > > Practitioners who use Standard Process believe strongly in their > > formulations and they are going to stick with it, and in general it's > true > > that SP formulations are super high quality. However, Prolamine does not > > have the companion nutrients in it, and it's REALLY EXPENSIVE to take at > > the milligram doses needed. Lugol's is the proper ratio of potassium > > iodide and elemental iodine. Yes, Iodoral can be taken at the same > time as > > Prolamine, but I personally would not continue to buy the SP product for > > iodine supplementation. > > > > Second, the theory of " Iodine Fulfillment " in 3 months is not > > factual. There is no way to say that any single person will be saturated > > with iodine in 3 months. There are way too many variables, such as > > environmental exposures to iodine-mimicking bromides, diet, levels of > > supplementation, and whether or not companion nutrients are included, to > > start with. Plus, a person needs to stay on iodine, at least 25mg, to > keep > > ahead of the toxic burden that blocks iodine in the body. So please > don't > > buy into this 3-month idea that it's all fixed and then you don't > need to > > do iodine anymore, or can go to 3mg per day, or whatever the promise is. > > > > A lot of NPs and MDs and so forth who think they are iodine positive are > > still affected by the negative, false lies that Western medicine still > > teaches in med school. They are still buying into it on some level, > which > > is why they are so cautious as to be of little help. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT >group IodineOT/ > > >The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) >iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ\ %20FIRST/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Not to mention most people put salt in shakers where the iodine can evaporate from the salt. Buist, ND HC RE: Re: Standard Process Iodine> >> >> >> >> > I did very well on Standard Process Iodine. I actually felt well on > it and was disappointed when my doctor discontinued it and told me to use > iodized salt. I tried Indoral and even one tab after several days makes > my throat feel thick and swallowing is noticaeable.> >> > Joan> >> >> >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------> >> >> >> > Dr West is mistaken. All iodine that is used for supplementation is > called> > "inorganic". The only "organic" iodine is the radioactive stuff. Dr> > Brownstein covers this in his book. The distinction is purely a> > designation of chemistry science. It has nothing to do with organic > as it> > is typically used to mean food or gardening or agriculture.> >> > Practitioners who use Standard Process believe strongly in their> > formulations and they are going to stick with it, and in general it's > true> > that SP formulations are super high quality. However, Prolamine does not> > have the companion nutrients in it, and it's REALLY EXPENSIVE to take at> > the milligram doses needed. Lugol's is the proper ratio of potassium> > iodide and elemental iodine. Yes, Iodoral can be taken at the same > time as> > Prolamine, but I personally would not continue to buy the SP product for> > iodine supplementation.> >> > Second, the theory of "Iodine Fulfillment" in 3 months is not> > factual. There is no way to say that any single person will be saturated> > with iodine in 3 months. There are way too many variables, such as> > environmental exposures to iodine-mimicking bromides, diet, levels of> > supplementation, and whether or not companion nutrients are included, to> > start with. Plus, a person needs to stay on iodine, at least 25mg, to > keep> > ahead of the toxic burden that blocks iodine in the body. So please > don't> > buy into this 3-month idea that it's all fixed and then you don't > need to> > do iodine anymore, or can go to 3mg per day, or whatever the promise is.> >> > A lot of NPs and MDs and so forth who think they are iodine positive are> > still affected by the negative, false lies that Western medicine still> > teaches in med school. They are still buying into it on some level, > which> > is why they are so cautious as to be of little help.> >> > --> >> >> >> > .> >>>>>>------------------------------------>>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT >group IodineOT/>>>The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) >iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ%20FIRST/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 SP's product is not both Iodine and Iodide. You are getting 12.5 mgs in the small tablets of Iodoral and 50 mgs in the large ones. Buist, ND HC RE: Re: Standard Process Iodine One Standard Process = 3 mg of iodine and I took four a day.One Iodoral is 5 mg of iodine and it causes the swelling/choking feeling so the second variable of iodide that gave me issues.Joan That's because Iodoral contains both forms of Iodine and Iodide and is a higher dosage than the Prolamine. Your thyroid may be kicking out toxins or realizes that there is more iodine so it is swelling to capture more. Buist, ND HC I did very well on Standard Process Iodine. I actually felt well on it and was disappointed when my doctor discontinued it and told me to use iodized salt. I tried Indoral and even one tab after several days makes my throat feel thick and swallowing is noticaeable.Joan Dr West is mistaken. All iodine that is used for supplementation is called "inorganic". The only "organic" iodine is the radioactive stuff. Dr Brownstein covers this in his book. The distinction is purely a designation of chemistry science. It has nothing to do with organic as it is typically used to mean food or gardening or agriculture.Practitioners who use Standard Process believe strongly in their formulations and they are going to stick with it, and in general it's true that SP formulations are super high quality. However, Prolamine does not have the companion nutrients in it, and it's REALLY EXPENSIVE to take at the milligram doses needed. Lugol's is the proper ratio of potassium iodide and elemental iodine. Yes, Iodoral can be taken at the same time as Prolamine, but I personally would not continue to buy the SP product for iodine supplementation.Second, the theory of "Iodine Fulfillment" in 3 months is not factual. There is no way to say that any single person will be saturated with iodine in 3 months. There are way too many variables, such as environmental exposures to iodine-mimicking bromides, diet, levels of supplementation, and whether or not companion nutrients are included, to start with. Plus, a person needs to stay on iodine, at least 25mg, to keep ahead of the toxic burden that blocks iodine in the body. So please don't buy into this 3-month idea that it's all fixed and then you don't need to do iodine anymore, or can go to 3mg per day, or whatever the promise is.A lot of NPs and MDs and so forth who think they are iodine positive are still affected by the negative, false lies that Western medicine still teaches in med school. They are still buying into it on some level, which is why they are so cautious as to be of little help.--. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Thanks for all of your feedback. I just got back from my ND and she wants me to cut back to 4 promaline iodine per day (12 mg total). I don' want to go back, but forward. Today I took 11 of them. I don't remember seeing a protocol on how to titrate up on iodine. I may do a combination of lugol's and the promaline. Any suggestions. Today was 33 mgs. I have been increasing by 3mg per day everyday. Does this sound reasonable? How do I know when to stop increasing? Deidre > > SP's product is not both Iodine and Iodide. You are getting 12.5 mgs in the small tablets of Iodoral and 50 mgs in the large ones. > > Buist, ND HC > > > RE: Re: Standard Process Iodine > > > > > One Standard Process = 3 mg of iodine and I took four a day. > > One Iodoral is 5 mg of iodine and it causes the swelling/choking feeling so the second variable of iodide that gave me issues. > > Joan > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > That's because Iodoral contains both forms of Iodine and Iodide and is a higher dosage than the Prolamine. Your thyroid may be kicking out toxins or realizes that there is more iodine so it is swelling to capture more. > > Buist, ND HC > > > > > > > > I did very well on Standard Process Iodine. I actually felt well on it and was disappointed when my doctor discontinued it and told me to use iodized salt. I tried Indoral and even one tab after several days makes my throat feel thick and swallowing is noticaeable. > > Joan > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Dr West is mistaken. All iodine that is used for supplementation is called > " inorganic " . The only " organic " iodine is the radioactive stuff. Dr > Brownstein covers this in his book. The distinction is purely a > designation of chemistry science. It has nothing to do with organic as it > is typically used to mean food or gardening or agriculture. > > Practitioners who use Standard Process believe strongly in their > formulations and they are going to stick with it, and in general it's true > that SP formulations are super high quality. However, Prolamine does not > have the companion nutrients in it, and it's REALLY EXPENSIVE to take at > the milligram doses needed. Lugol's is the proper ratio of potassium > iodide and elemental iodine. Yes, Iodoral can be taken at the same time as > Prolamine, but I personally would not continue to buy the SP product for > iodine supplementation. > > Second, the theory of " Iodine Fulfillment " in 3 months is not > factual. There is no way to say that any single person will be saturated > with iodine in 3 months. There are way too many variables, such as > environmental exposures to iodine-mimicking bromides, diet, levels of > supplementation, and whether or not companion nutrients are included, to > start with. Plus, a person needs to stay on iodine, at least 25mg, to keep > ahead of the toxic burden that blocks iodine in the body. So please don't > buy into this 3-month idea that it's all fixed and then you don't need to > do iodine anymore, or can go to 3mg per day, or whatever the promise is. > > A lot of NPs and MDs and so forth who think they are iodine positive are > still affected by the negative, false lies that Western medicine still > teaches in med school. They are still buying into it on some level, which > is why they are so cautious as to be of little help. > > -- > > > > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Joan - Are you not taking any iodine anymore? > > > One Standard Process = 3 mg of iodine and I took four a day. > > One Iodoral is 5 mg of iodine and it causes the swelling/choking feeling so the second variable of iodide that gave me issues. > > Joan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's because > Iodoral contains both forms of Iodine and Iodide and is a higher dosage than the > Prolamine. Your thyroid may be kicking out toxins or realizes that there > is more iodine so it is swelling to capture more. > > Buist, > ND HC > > > > > > > > I did very well on Standard Process Iodine. I actually felt > well on it and was disappointed when my doctor discontinued it and told me to > use iodized salt. I tried Indoral and even one tab after several days > makes my throat feel thick and swallowing is noticaeable. > > Joan > > > > > > > > > > Dr West is mistaken. All iodine that is used for > supplementation is called > " inorganic " . The only " organic " iodine is the > radioactive stuff. Dr > Brownstein covers this in his book. The distinction > is purely a > designation of chemistry science. It has nothing to do with > organic as it > is typically used to mean food or gardening or > agriculture. > > Practitioners who use Standard Process believe strongly in > their > formulations and they are going to stick with it, and in general > it's true > that SP formulations are super high quality. However, Prolamine > does not > have the companion nutrients in it, and it's REALLY EXPENSIVE to > take at > the milligram doses needed. Lugol's is the proper ratio of > potassium > iodide and elemental iodine. Yes, Iodoral can be taken at the > same time as > Prolamine, but I personally would not continue to buy the SP > product for > iodine supplementation. > > Second, the theory of " Iodine > Fulfillment " in 3 months is not > factual. There is no way to say that any > single person will be saturated > with iodine in 3 months. There are way too > many variables, such as > environmental exposures to iodine-mimicking > bromides, diet, levels of > supplementation, and whether or not companion > nutrients are included, to > start with. Plus, a person needs to stay on > iodine, at least 25mg, to keep > ahead of the toxic burden that blocks > iodine in the body. So please don't > buy into this 3-month idea that it's > all fixed and then you don't need to > do iodine anymore, or can go to 3mg > per day, or whatever the promise is. > > A lot of NPs and MDs and so forth > who think they are iodine positive are > still affected by the negative, > false lies that Western medicine still > teaches in med school. They are > still buying into it on some level, which > is why they are so cautious as > to be of little > help. > > -- > > > > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 you would have a better experience on more Iodoral, like 50mg, which is a therapeutic dose. Gracia On 7/31/2011 8:21 PM, Joan Dwyer wrote: I did very well on Standard Process Iodine. I actually felt well on it and was disappointed when my doctor discontinued it and told me to use iodized salt. I tried Indoral and even one tab after several days makes my throat feel thick and swallowing is noticaeable. Joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 If you read the info, the swelling/choking is the thyroid swelling to soak in the iodine that it is finally getting. The thyroid uses iodiDe, so you weren't getting any iodine to your thyroid previously if the SP Prolamine doesn't have pot iodide, or if it does have both, you were finally getting enough to have a response. In that case, btw, the answer is MORE iodine, not less. The thyroid is hungry and swelled to get more. It will go back down if it is consistently given more. -- >One Standard Process = 3 mg of iodine and I took four a day. > >One Iodoral is 5 mg of iodine and it causes the swelling/choking feeling >so the second variable of iodide that gave me issues. > >Joan > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste ~~~ Why do men fight for their servitude as stubbornly as though it were their salvation? ~~~~ --Gilles Deleuze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Again, the iodine in the sea salt is not enough to be therapeutic. But the liquid iodine from Swanson's, called Lugol's, is great! It's the same contents as the Iodoral but in liquid form. -- At 09:54 PM 8/1/2011, you wrote: >I am using some iodine, but not the Iodoral. I have liquid iodine from >Swanson at this point. I also have iodine in my sea salt. > >---------- > > > >Joan - Are you not taking any iodine anymore? > > > > > > > One Standard Process = 3 mg of iodine and I took four a day. > > > > One Iodoral is 5 mg of iodine and it causes the swelling/choking > feeling so the second variable of iodide that gave me issues. > > > > Joan,_._,___ ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste ~~~ Why do men fight for their servitude as stubbornly as though it were their salvation? ~~~~ --Gilles Deleuze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 There is only one New Member doc, and this is addressed in it, yes. And just as a general rule, people aren't going to get very far with just 12mg of iodine. You've got to get up to 50mg and above for the body to start being functional again, because of the bromide toxic burden we all carry. -- At 12:42 PM 8/2/2011, you wrote: >When you say its in the info, is this reaction explained in one of the new >member docs? > > >From: B <vbaker@...> >iodine >Sent: Mon, August 1, 2011 11:42:10 PM >Subject: Re: Re: Standard Process Iodine > > > >If you read the info, the swelling/choking is the thyroid swelling to soak >in the iodine that it is finally getting. The thyroid uses iodiDe, so you >weren't getting any iodine to your thyroid previously if the SP Prolamine >doesn't have pot iodide, or if it does have both, you were finally getting >enough to have a response. In that case, btw, the answer is MORE iodine, >not less. The thyroid is hungry and swelled to get more. It will go back >down if it is consistently given more. > >-- > > >One Standard Process = 3 mg of iodine and I took four a day. > > > >One Iodoral is 5 mg of iodine and it causes the swelling/choking feeling > >so the second variable of iodide that gave me issues. > > > >Joan > > > >~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ >--A.J. Muste > >~~~ Why do men fight for their servitude as stubbornly as though it were >their salvation? ~~~~ >--Gilles Deleuze > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste ~~~ Why do men fight for their servitude as stubbornly as though it were their salvation? ~~~~ --Gilles Deleuze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 , So glad to read your post. I started with Iodoral 12.5 two months ago. Felt fantastic, for a couple of weeks, but the swelling in my throat freaked me out and I discontinued. Tried again after the swelling went down, with same results after around day 10. Stopped again, and 4 days ago, began Lugol's drops. Started with 6 drops, and have upped it to 8 starting this morning. Just beginning to feel the swelling again, so on we go. If it is more iodine the thyroid wants, it's more she gets! I really want iodine to be a part of my life, because of the benefits to breast tissue. I had reconstruction done and have a lump of scar tissue in one breast that seems to shrink drastically with iodine supplementation. Anyone else have this issue? Anyone have suggestions or experience ? AL From: B <vbaker@...>iodine Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 11:42 PMSubject: Re: Re: Standard Process Iodine If you read the info, the swelling/choking is the thyroid swelling to soak in the iodine that it is finally getting. The thyroid uses iodiDe, so you weren't getting any iodine to your thyroid previously if the SP Prolamine doesn't have pot iodide, or if it does have both, you were finally getting enough to have a response. In that case, btw, the answer is MORE iodine, not less. The thyroid is hungry and swelled to get more. It will go back down if it is consistently given more.-->One Standard Process = 3 mg of iodine and I took four a day.>>One Iodoral is 5 mg of iodine and it causes the swelling/choking feeling >so the second variable of iodide that gave me issues.>>Joan>~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste~~~ Why do men fight for their servitude as stubbornly as though it were their salvation? ~~~~--Gilles Deleuze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 TEMPORARY swelling of the thyroid when you start iodine is perfectly NORMAL. Unless it is choking you, you need to push through it. Once your thyroid has enough iodine on a regular basis, it will start to calm down & shrink to normal. You are TEASING the poor thing. Shame on you! (Joke.)AnneOn Aug 3, 2011, at 7:13 PM, Ward wrote: , So glad to read your post. I started with Iodoral 12.5 two months ago. Felt fantastic, for a couple of weeks, but the swelling in my throat freaked me out and I discontinued. Tried again after the swelling went down, with same results after around day 10. Stopped again, and 4 days ago, began Lugol's drops. Started with 6 drops, and have upped it to 8 starting this morning. Just beginning to feel the swelling again, so on we go. If it is more iodine the thyroid wants, it's more she gets! I really want iodine to be a part of my life, because of the benefits to breast tissue. I had reconstruction done and have a lump of scar tissue in one breast that seems to shrink drastically with iodine supplementation. Anyone else have this issue? Anyone have suggestions or experience ? AL From: B <vbaker@...>iodine Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 11:42 PMSubject: Re: Re: Standard Process Iodine If you read the info, the swelling/choking is the thyroid swelling to soak in the iodine that it is finally getting. The thyroid uses iodiDe, so you weren't getting any iodine to your thyroid previously if the SP Prolamine doesn't have pot iodide, or if it does have both, you were finally getting enough to have a response. In that case, btw, the answer is MORE iodine, not less. The thyroid is hungry and swelled to get more. It will go back down if it is consistently given more.-->One Standard Process = 3 mg of iodine and I took four a day.>>One Iodoral is 5 mg of iodine and it causes the swelling/choking feeling >so the second variable of iodide that gave me issues.>>Joan>~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste~~~ Why do men fight for their servitude as stubbornly as though it were their salvation? ~~~~--Gilles Deleuze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 I think you will spend a lot more on Prolamine than if you just switched to Iodoral. www.breastcancerchoices.org has some good prices - especially when you buy in multiples. Buist, ND HC RE: Re: Standard Process Iodine> > > > > One Standard Process = 3 mg of iodine and I took four a day.> > One Iodoral is 5 mg of iodine and it causes the swelling/choking feeling so the second variable of iodide that gave me issues.> > Joan> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------> > > > > That's because Iodoral contains both forms of Iodine and Iodide and is a higher dosage than the Prolamine. Your thyroid may be kicking out toxins or realizes that there is more iodine so it is swelling to capture more. > > Buist, ND HC> > > > > > > > I did very well on Standard Process Iodine. I actually felt well on it and was disappointed when my doctor discontinued it and told me to use iodized salt. I tried Indoral and even one tab after several days makes my throat feel thick and swallowing is noticaeable.> > Joan> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------> > > > Dr West is mistaken. All iodine that is used for supplementation is called > "inorganic". The only "organic" iodine is the radioactive stuff. Dr > Brownstein covers this in his book. The distinction is purely a > designation of chemistry science. It has nothing to do with organic as it > is typically used to mean food or gardening or agriculture.> > Practitioners who use Standard Process believe strongly in their > formulations and they are going to stick with it, and in general it's true > that SP formulations are super high quality. However, Prolamine does not > have the companion nutrients in it, and it's REALLY EXPENSIVE to take at > the milligram doses needed. Lugol's is the proper ratio of potassium > iodide and elemental iodine. Yes, Iodoral can be taken at the same time as > Prolamine, but I personally would not continue to buy the SP product for > iodine supplementation.> > Second, the theory of "Iodine Fulfillment" in 3 months is not > factual. There is no way to say that any single person will be saturated > with iodine in 3 months. There are way too many variables, such as > environmental exposures to iodine-mimicking bromides, diet, levels of > supplementation, and whether or not companion nutrients are included, to > start with. Plus, a person needs to stay on iodine, at least 25mg, to keep > ahead of the toxic burden that blocks iodine in the body. So please don't > buy into this 3-month idea that it's all fixed and then you don't need to > do iodine anymore, or can go to 3mg per day, or whatever the promise is.> > A lot of NPs and MDs and so forth who think they are iodine positive are > still affected by the negative, false lies that Western medicine still > teaches in med school. They are still buying into it on some level, which > is why they are so cautious as to be of little help.> > --> > > > .> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 I'm confused. With all the reading I've done the last couple of days on iodine, I thought Prolamine was not a good source of iodine? > > That's because Iodoral contains both forms of Iodine and Iodide and is a higher dosage than the Prolamine. Your thyroid may be kicking out toxins or realizes that there is more iodine so it is swelling to capture more. > > Buist, ND HC > > > RE: Re: Standard Process Iodine > > > > > I did very well on Standard Process Iodine. I actually felt well on it and was disappointed when my doctor discontinued it and told me to use iodized salt. I tried Indoral and even one tab after several days makes my throat feel thick and swallowing is noticaeable. > > Joan > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Dr West is mistaken. All iodine that is used for supplementation is called > " inorganic " . The only " organic " iodine is the radioactive stuff. Dr > Brownstein covers this in his book. The distinction is purely a > designation of chemistry science. It has nothing to do with organic as it > is typically used to mean food or gardening or agriculture. > > Practitioners who use Standard Process believe strongly in their > formulations and they are going to stick with it, and in general it's true > that SP formulations are super high quality. However, Prolamine does not > have the companion nutrients in it, and it's REALLY EXPENSIVE to take at > the milligram doses needed. Lugol's is the proper ratio of potassium > iodide and elemental iodine. Yes, Iodoral can be taken at the same time as > Prolamine, but I personally would not continue to buy the SP product for > iodine supplementation. > > Second, the theory of " Iodine Fulfillment " in 3 months is not > factual. There is no way to say that any single person will be saturated > with iodine in 3 months. There are way too many variables, such as > environmental exposures to iodine-mimicking bromides, diet, levels of > supplementation, and whether or not companion nutrients are included, to > start with. Plus, a person needs to stay on iodine, at least 25mg, to keep > ahead of the toxic burden that blocks iodine in the body. So please don't > buy into this 3-month idea that it's all fixed and then you don't need to > do iodine anymore, or can go to 3mg per day, or whatever the promise is. > > A lot of NPs and MDs and so forth who think they are iodine positive are > still affected by the negative, false lies that Western medicine still > teaches in med school. They are still buying into it on some level, which > is why they are so cautious as to be of little help. > > -- > > > > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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