Re: Blood Results Copper Mag Zinc Help please BUMP

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> I know these are all in range but are they ok?

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> Copper 14 range 11-20

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> Zinc 13 range 10-18

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> Magnesium 0.77 range 0.7- 1.0

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> Love Debbie

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[Guest guest]

They all look too low Debbie. What supplements are you taking

and if any, how much are you taking?

Luv - Sheila

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> I know these are all in range but are they ok?

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> Copper 14 range 11-20

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> Zinc 13 range 10-18

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> Magnesium 0.77 range 0.7- 1.0

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> Love Debbie

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

4 NAX

100 coq10

1000 mag nesium since results

B12

B complex

wild oil oregano

200 chronium

cant tolerate vit c

6 x 1000 vit D just been diagnosed as deficient

Love Debbie xxxxx

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> They all look too low Debbie. What supplements are you taking and if any,

> how much are you taking?

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> Luv - Sheila

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> > I know these are all in range but are they ok?

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> > Copper 14 range 11-20

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> > Zinc 13 range 10-18

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> > Magnesium 0.77 range 0.7- 1.0

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> > Love Debbie

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[Guest guest]

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> > They all look too low Debbie. What supplements are you taking and if any,

> > how much are you taking?

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> > Luv - Sheila

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> > > I know these are all in range but are they ok?

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> > > Copper 14 range 11-20

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> > > Zinc 13 range 10-18

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> > > Magnesium 0.77 range 0.7- 1.0

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> > > Love Debbie

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[Guest guest]

Are you OK with so much magnesium Debbie. Your other supplements

sound fine to help boost your levels, but it's a shame about not being able to

take vitaminC. This is ESSENTIAL.

Luv - Sheila

> 4 NAX

> 100 coq10

> 1000 mag nesium since results

> B12

> B complex

> wild oil oregano

> 200 chronium

> cant tolerate vit c

> 6 x 1000 vit D just been diagnosed as deficient

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

Damn brain fog its 2 per serving each serving 400mg. I doubled up and some.

Not taking any thyroid meds at the moment because I had started to get spacey

very quickly. Probably due to being so low on vit D.

I did read yesterday that it can take 6-9 months to get Vit D levels up and that

during this time the bones can become very sore as the vitamin gets into the

bones. My joints are certainly worse the past few days than they have ever been

The damn brain fog is creeping back and I seem to be sleeping for just 20 mins

at a time and the fatigue is again chronic.

Love Debbie

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> Are you OK with so much magnesium Debbie. Your other supplements sound fine

> to help boost your levels, but it's a shame about not being able to take

> vitaminC. This is ESSENTIAL.

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> Luv - Sheila

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[Guest guest]

Stopping the thyroid medication is not going to help Debbie. You

should start back on that but on a dose where you don't feel spacey and

hyperthyroid. Your body needs thyroid hormone and without it, you will start to

develop many and varied symptoms again, including fibromyalgia.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila

Damn brain fog its 2 per serving each serving 400mg. I doubled up and some.

Not taking any thyroid meds at the moment because I had started to get spacey

very quickly. Probably due to being so low on vit D.

I did read yesterday that it can take 6-9 months to get Vit D levels up and

that during this time the bones can become very sore as the vitamin gets into

the bones. My joints are certainly worse the past few days than they have ever

been The damn brain fog is creeping back and I seem to be sleeping for just 20

mins at a time and the fatigue is again chronic.

Love Debbie

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> Are you OK with so much magnesium Debbie. Your other supplements sound

fine

> to help boost your levels, but it's a shame about not being able to take

> vitaminC. This is ESSENTIAL.

>

> Luv - Sheila

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[Guest guest]

I'm following you Sheila. GP put me on starter dose of levo 25mg, Dr P told me

to try it and after a few days I got spacey again. Think going to go back and

try Armour again but couldnt get a telephone appointment with Dr P till next

week wasnt sure what to do with my Vit D being low.

Love Debbie

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> Stopping the thyroid medication is not going to help Debbie. You should

> start back on that but on a dose where you don't feel P told me to spacey and

> hyperthyroid. Your body needs thyroid hormone and without it, you will start

> to develop many and varied symptoms again, including fibromyalgia.

>

> Luv - Sheila

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[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie:

Vitamin D needs assistance to help the body utilize it properly, these include

zinc, vitamin K2, boron, vitamin A and magnesium. Especially the magnesium but I

would try and get it in the form of leafy greens and spirulina. Magnesium is a

key component of chlorophyll which is found in green vegetables and it will

absorb into the system easier than the supplementing of magnesium orally. Do you

have a organic farm which grows in nutrient rich soil? I would buy from them as

much as possible. I'd bring the mag down to 400 now and work on the

vegetables...You may also want to try magnesium spray or soak in epsom salt

baths to get the magnesium into the system that way. The soaking will help with

the leg pains also. Spirulina will help again because it has the extra vitamins

you need. Don't stop the D3, but switching up the way magnesium enters will

help. Calcium, D3, potassium and magnesium all need to be balanced in the body

or you're not going to feel well.

Why are you on thyroxine anyway?

This synthetic drug can't be helping you in any way whatsoever. Does Dr P NOT

have you on natural desiccated thyroid meds for a specific reason?

Cheers,

JOT

> I did read yesterday that it can take 6-9 months to get Vit D levels up and

that during this time the bones can become very sore as the vitamin gets into

the bones. My joints are certainly worse the past few days than they have ever

been

[Guest guest]

Hi Jot.

No we dont have any organic farms near by and ufortunately I am not well enough

at the moment to go driving out. I do eat vegetables though.

My Vit D level is 17 which I know is low. I am on week 3 I have had a vit D2

injection 300,000 units My Gp has no knowledge of Vit D deficiency, he does not

know that I am supplementing with 5 x 100mg vitamin D3 I was just told to have

another blood test in 3-6 months. I have had a good couple of weeks but the last

few days, I have gone backwards

I was taking Armour and seemed fine for a few weeks but then I ended up in

hospital mid July with fast heart rate, dizziness and bad pains which we think

now is an ulcer. ( I think the WOO may be helping) I had to stop taking the

Armour as I was self medicating albeit under Dr P . I had a blood test whilst in

hospital showing a low free T4 and my Gp said he wanted to try me on 25mg levo.

At least I am now on the books.

Dr P told me to try the levo and phone him back in a month as I was still n a

bad way with my stomach and we wanted to let things settle. However after a few

days on the levo I was spacey again.

It is after this that I have been told I am Vit D defficient but I wont get to

speak to Dr P until next week. i was not sure if it was a good idea to start

the Armour again until my vit D was raised.

What should I be taking along with the vit D

my blood results are

calcium 2.36 range 2.15- 2.6

phosphate 1.10 range 0.87 - 1.45

copper 14 " 11-20

zinc 13 " 10-18

Magnesium 0.77 " 0.7-1.0

I have just seen that there is 75mg of magnesium in each NAX and I take 4 which

makes 300mg and have been taking an additional 400mgfor about 9 days now, so

looks like Ive over done it

Sorry for rambling

Many thanks for your advice

Debbie xx

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> Hi Debbie:

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> Vitamin D needs assistance to help the body utilize it properly, these include

zinc, vitamin K2, boron, vitamin A and magnesium. Especially the magnesium but I

would try and get it in the form of leafy greens and spirulina.

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie:

Oh, so now I get it...did you tell us about the D2 injections before? I don't

know how I missed this if you did. Do you know what the name of the D2 injection

was? Was it ergocalciferol, which comes from a radiating fungus (not good) or

al or doxercalciferol? These last two are lab created and your body isn't

going to recognize any of them because they are not natural forms of vitamin D3.

Your body cannot recognize anything but a natural form. These fake forms are not

even human forms which the body can work with. D3 is the only one which will

help you, and I can only assume this is why you're feeling ill. Of course your

under-educated medical advisor doesn't know this...this is exactly what happens

when our medical advisors get their doctorates from mail order catalogs. I'd

have a law suit out on him so fast his head would spin.

You need to take D3 in a natural form: cholecalciferol Most D3 you find at

the market will be this natural form.

Your d3 levels need to come up but I'm not feeling that is the problem. You

should be taking at least 3000-5000 a day, everyday, in the morning. I'm not

sure how long it will take to get this injection out of your system. The WOO

will certainly help with all the zinc, copper, mag and good organic nutrients in

it...Make sure you are taking a good probiotic and yogurt, etc. everyday and

drink plenty of filtered water. It will also help to cure an ulcer if that has

started.

I know everyone on that side of the pond is thrilled with NAX, but I am not. It

does not have Biotin or Folate in it and these are tremendously important and

part of the B complex of essential vitamins. I don't do my adrenal glandular in

a b complex just for this reason. I take a glandular all by itself, a complete b

complex and add anything else I need to that recipe. I also take spirulina every

day of my life. People who take spirulina are just healthier than any other

people. They are less deficient in all the nutrients and they feel great. I

can't say enough great things about Spirulina. Kids get it, the dogs get it,

everyone gets it in their system every day. With the NAX, I believe so many of

the people taking this have hair loss. People taking Biotin everyday generally

aren't having hair loss, unless it is hereditary. When you supplement with b

vitamins and some of them are missing, you're looking for trouble.

It does sound to me like you may still have adrenal issues. How are you with

celtic sea salt? Are you somehow getting those trace minerals in your diet

everyday? Spirulina naturally has all the trace minerals in it, so if you can't

stomach salt for some reason, at least you'd get them in spirulina. Salt will

help with the dizziness. Are you tolerating the magnesium Ok, to bowel

tolerance? Why can't you take vitamin c? Can you take it in low dosages

throughout the day? Is there a bowel tolerance problem with that? Both mag and C

will give you the runs if too much is in the system.

These labs look a touch low but nothing that the WOO won't bring up..

My suggestions for you:

http://www.iherb.com/Nutrex-Pure-Hawaiian-Spirulina-Pacifica-Nature-s-Multi-Vita\

min-500-mg-400-Tablets/12641?at=0

http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-B-Right-100-Capsules/110?at=0

http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Methyl-B-12-1000-mcg-100-Lozenges/129?at=0

Cheers,

JOT

> My Vit D level is 17 which I know is low. I am on week 3 I have had a vit D2

injection 300,000 units My Gp has no knowledge of Vit D deficiency, he does not

know that I am supplementing with 5 x 100mg vitamin D3 I was just told to have

another blood test in 3-6 months. I have had a good couple of weeks but the last

few days, I have gone backwards

> What should I be taking along with the vit D

> my blood results are

> calcium 2.36 range 2.15- 2.6

> phosphate 1.10 range 0.87 - 1.45

> copper 14 " 11-20

> zinc 13 " 10-18

> Magnesium 0.77 " 0.7-1.0

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Hi Jot

Sorry It was in another post of mine about the D2.. So many things going on.

The injection was ergocalciferol. Will look at the supplements you mentioned.

Guess I will have to wait to get the D2 out of my system

Thanks again Debbie

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> Hi Debbie:

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> Oh, so now I get it...did you tell us about the D2 injections before? I don't

know how I missed this if you did. Do you know what the name of the D2 injection

was? Was it ergocalciferol, which comes from a radiating fungus (not good) or

al or doxercalciferol?

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie

Sounds as if you have some other associated condition that can

happen with those suffering hypothyroid symptoms and being treated with thyroid

hormone replacement therapy without these conditions being first recognised and

treated Debbie. Check the following out and go through each one as a process of

elimination to find what is stopping the thyroid hormone from working.

There are MANY reasons and many medical conditions associated

with thyroid disease that stop thyroid hormone from getting into the cells,

where it does its work. I mention these over and over and over again - ad

nauseum - people must be bored with the same old, same old but as each new

member joins us, they need to know.

The main condition responsible for stopping thyroid hormone from

working, is, quite simply, a patients thyroxine dose is too low because the

doctor or consultant refuses to increase it, because the serum thyroid function

test results appear OK. Sometimes, the thyroxine dose is too high, yet patients

still don't feel well. They continue to suffer. Some reasons for this:

They may be suffering with low adrenal reserve. The production

of T4, its conversion to T3, and the receptor uptake requires a normal amount

of adrenal hormones, notably, of course, cortisone. (Excess cortisone can shut

production down, however.) This is what happens if the adrenals are not

responding properly, and provision of cortisone usually switches it on

again. But sometimes it doesn’t. If the illness has been

going on for a long time, the enzyme seems to fail. This conversion

failure (inexplicably denied by many endocrinologists) means the thyroxine

builds up, unconverted. So it doesn’t work, and T4 toxicosis

results. This makes the patient feel quite unwell, toxic, often with

palpitations and chest pain. If provision of adrenal support doesn’t

remedy the situation, the final solution is the use of the active thyroid hormone,

already converted, T3 - either synthetic or natural.

Then, we have systemic candidiasis. This is where candida

albicans, a yeast, which causes skin infections almost anywhere in the body,

invades the lining of the lower part of the small intestine and the large

intestine. Here, the candida sets up residence in the warmth and the

dark, and demands to be fed. Loving sugars and starches, candida can make

you suffer terrible sweet cravings. Candida can produce toxins which can

cause very many symptoms of exhaustion, headache, general illness, and which

interfere with the uptake of thyroid and adrenal treatment. Sometimes the

levels - which we usually test for - can be very high, and make successful

treatment difficult to achieve until adequately treated.

Then there is receptor resistance which could be a culprit. Being

hypothyroid for some considerable time may mean the biochemical mechanisms

which permit the binding of T3 to the receptors, is downgraded - so the T3

won’t go in. With slow build up of T3, with full adrenal support

and adequate vitamins and minerals, the receptors do come on line again.

But this can be quite a slow process, and care has to be taken to build the

dose up gradually.

And then there are Food allergies. The most common food allergy

is allergy to gluten, the protein fraction of wheat. The antibody generated by

the body, by a process of molecular mimicry, cross reacts with the

thyroperoxidase enzyme, (which makes thyroxine) and shuts it down. So

allergy to bread can make you hypothyroid. There may be other food allergies

with this kind of effect, but information on these is scanty. Certainly

allergic response to certain foods can affect adrenal function and imperil

thyroid production and uptake.

Then we have hormone imbalances. The whole of the endocrine

system is linked; each part of it needs the other parts to be operating

normally to work properly. An example of this we have seen already, with

cortisone. But another example is the operation of sex hormones.

The imbalance that occurs at the menopause with progesterone running down, and

a relative dominance of oestrogen is a further case in point – oestrogen

dominance downgrades production, transportation and uptake of thyroid

hormones. This is why hypothyroidism may first appear at the menopause;

the symptoms ascribed to this alone, which is then treated – often with

extra oestrogen, making the whole thing worse. Deficiency in progesterone

most especially needs to be dealt with, since it reverses oestrogen dominance,

improves many menopausal symptoms like sweats and mood swings, and reverses

osteoporosis. Happily natural progesterone cream is easily obtained: when

used it has the added benefit of helping to stabilise adrenal function.

Then, we must never forget the possibility of mercury poisoning

(through amalgam fillings) - low levels of ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3,

magnesium, folate, copper and zinc - all of which, if low, stop the thyroid

hormone from being utilised by the cells - these have to be treated.

As Dr Peatfield says " When you have been quite unwell for a

long time, all these problems have to be dealt with; and since each may affect

the other, it all has to be done rather carefully.

Contrary to cherished beliefs by much of the medical

establishment, the correction of a thyroid deficiency state has a number of

complexities and variables, which make the treatment usually quite specific for

each person. The balancing of these variables is as much up to you as to

me – which is why a check of morning, day and evening temperatures and

pulse rates, together with symptoms, good and bad, can be so helpful.

Many of you have been ill for a long time, either because you

have not been diagnosed, or the treatment leaves you still quite unwell.

Those of you who have relatively mild hypothyroidism, and have been diagnosed

relatively quickly, may well respond to synthetic thyroxine, the standard

treatment. I am therefore unlikely to see you; since if the thyroxine

proves satisfactory in use, it is merely a question of dosage.

For many of you, the outstanding problem is not that the

diagnosis has not been made – although, extraordinarily, this is

disgracefully common – but that is has, and the thyroxine treatment

doesn’t work. The dose has been altered up and down, and clinical

improvement is variable and doesn’t last, in spite of blood tests, which

say you are perfectly all right (and therefore you are actually depressed and

need this fine antidepressant).

The above problems must be eliminated if thyroid hormone isn't

working for you.

Luv - Sheila

I'm following you Sheila. GP put me on starter

dose of levo 25mg, Dr P told me to try it and after a few days I got spacey

again. Think going to go back and try Armour again but couldnt get a telephone

appointment with Dr P till next week wasnt sure what to do with my Vit D being

low.

Love Debbie

>

> Stopping the thyroid medication is not going to help Debbie. You should

> start back on that but on a dose where you don't feel P told me to spacey

and

> hyperthyroid. Your body needs thyroid hormone and without it, you will

start

> to develop many and varied symptoms again, including fibromyalgia.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

I have addressed adrenals and been on NAX for 6 months

I have now excluded candida, my test results were low but have been addressed

I have had all the vitamins and minerals tested D3 low I am hoping that once I

get this sorted I can restart Armour.

I wonder if I have other problems maybe caused by my stomach? After doing the

high doses of vit C I started with the suspected ulcer and also there must be a

reason that my Vit D is so low 17

Im so confused because I pick up seem to be doing well and then POW right back

down

Love Debbie xx

> hyperthyroid. Your body needs thyroid hormone and without it, you will

> start

> > to develop many and varied symptoms again, including fibromyalgia.

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> > Luv - Sheila

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[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie - it could be that you are suffering with Helicobacter Pylori and

if you are, you may not be able to absorb the Thyroxine in Armour because of

this. Can you mention the possibility to your doctor and ask if he will test

for this - I think the breath-test is the one that is recommended. Meanwhile,

read the information here http://unnikrishnanag.posterous.com/treating-hpylori-infection-improves-thyroid-f

Luv - Sheila

I wonder if I have other problems maybe caused by my stomach? After doing the

high doses of vit C I started with the suspected ulcer and also there must be a

reason that my Vit D is so low 17

Im so confused because I pick up seem to be doing well and then POW right back

down

Love Debbie xx

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sheila

I need to know what is causing this and I think you could be right. I did

mention it to my GP and he said wait as I will have to be off the ezomeprazole

for 2 weeks. I will stop taking them and go back to him.

love Debbie

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> Hi Debbie - it could be that you are suffering with Helicobacter Pylori and

> if you are, you may not be able to absorb the Thyroxine in Armour because of

> this. Can you mention the possibility to your doctor and ask if he will test

> for this - I think the breath-test is the one that is recommended.

> Meanwhile, read the information here

> http://unnikrishnanag.posterous.com/treating-hpylori-infection-improves-thyr

> oid-f

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> Luv - Sheila

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> I wonder if I have other problems maybe caused by my stomach? After doing

> the high doses of vit C I started with the suspected ulcer and also there

> must be a reason that my Vit D is so low 17

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> Im so confused because I pick up seem to be doing well and then POW right

> back down

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> Love Debbie xx

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