Theory

[Guest guest]

Well, there goes the " " Theory...back to the drawing board... LOL

Michele L.

<<

I also have never needed a deodorant. I always thought it was because I

don't

perspire. lol Nadine

>>

[Guest guest]

Well, there goes the " " Theory...back to the drawing board... LOL

Michele L.

<<

I also have never needed a deodorant. I always thought it was because I

don't

perspire. lol Nadine

>>

[Guest guest]

I think 80 to 98% of theories less than a decade old turn out to be either completely or mostly wrong. Still I find it fascinating to follow a theory like the neanderthal hypothesis (about the source of autism trending genes) as it is developing. How likely? People want absolute yes or no answers, and there's one list I follow where people endlessly debate baysian theories of evaluating experimental results and so on. Speaking extremely roughly and strictly as an amateur (so I can get away with it somewhat!) my guess, using the "betting" theory of evaluating probabilities (~if~ I was a betting man...) I would guess the neanderthal hypothesis has about a 60% chance of being at least partly truthful. -Well worth a lot of research effort I think. Perhaps for me the main best point in it's favor is the massive cultural explosion 50-100k in the human archeological record seems best explained by a

something extremely unusual- such as a homo sapiens sapiens and homo neanderthalis subspecies hybridization event...(technical search term "heterosis")... and although neanderthals are not the only option, they seem the most likely. For those who don't know the area, try searching on Leif Ekblad's name. Heph wjmnew <wjmnew@...> wrote: i read connecting ideas about a.s.,i don't know what to make of them for

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[Guest guest]

" i read connecting ideas about a.s.,i don't know what to make of

them for myself-but the ideas interest me.neandethals and autism

spectrum,celtic folks and asperger,etc.what do the informed think? "

Hello wjmnew,

And welcome to the forum.

I think it is hard to know without doing some sort of DNA mapping of

every dead and alive person how people with AS came to be.

We are seeing a supposed rise in autism cases in the US, but I

personally believe that it is simply because more people are being

identified with a neuroloical difference that not too many people in

this country knew of as little as thirty years ago.

Personally, I see autism as a strength and not a weakness.

Whereas neurologically typical people have to waste time and expend

energy forming social alliances to survive, autistics who are

functioning higher on the autistic spectrum can simply devise ways

to get what they want and what they need without having to interact

with people socially. This allows them to excel faster and higher.

I believe this is how autistics like Spielberg and Bill

Gates went from unknown to household names in a matter of decades.

They stayed focused on their goals.

As for social alliances for those two, you either did what they told

you to do, or you were out on your ear.

IF God and nature are causing more autistics to be born these days

then in the past, I believe it is because autistics in general tend

to have a more positive impact on the environment then their

neurotypical counterparts.

-Because we have fewer sexual partners, we don't flood the earth

with babies, thereby slowing down the use of the earth's resources.

-We tend to fight strongly for issues and causes we believe in -

like environmental ones, and moral ones.

-We tend to take ACTION, rather than whine about things being

terrible.

I think that when autistics are functioning optimally, they are very

much what the earth needs in this specific period in history.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

" Hello wjmnew,

And welcome to the forum. "

Hi from me too.

" Whereas neurologically typical people have to waste time and expend

energy forming social alliances to survive, autistics who are

functioning higher on the autistic spectrum can simply devise ways

to get what they want and what they need without having to interact

with people socially. This allows them to excel faster and higher. "

I have met quite a few on the spectrum that do desire to be social

and actually pursue such. I must admit confuses me, for having

tried it myself believe it isn't all it's cracked up to be. However I

have heard it said by some experts that there are (as there are in

non aspies) within the autism spectrum some that lean towards

socializing (extroverts) and those that lean away from such

(introverts).

Personally I would say I am more introvert - I dislike parties and

all that kind of stuff, dislike being the center of attention (would

rather work behind the scenes) and yet I am not totally introvert,

meaning I do seek out some amount of limited social contact, I have a

few friends and I prefer the majority of my social interaction online

(as it is easier), however I will interact with some off-line and

occasionally it isn't too bad. I still find interaction off-line more

taxing on me however and have noticed the more off-line interaction I

have to do, the more tired I become and then I need to withdraw for a

while.

One other thing, I think we need to be careful about generalizing

about those with AS, not all people with AS are wonderful and caring

etc.

>

> " i read connecting ideas about a.s.,i don't know what to make of

> them for myself-but the ideas interest me.neandethals and autism

> spectrum,celtic folks and asperger,etc.what do the informed think? "

>

> Hello wjmnew,

>

> And welcome to the forum.

>

> I think it is hard to know without doing some sort of DNA mapping

of

> every dead and alive person how people with AS came to be.

>

> We are seeing a supposed rise in autism cases in the US, but I

> personally believe that it is simply because more people are being

> identified with a neuroloical difference that not too many people

in

> this country knew of as little as thirty years ago.

>

> Personally, I see autism as a strength and not a weakness.

>

> Whereas neurologically typical people have to waste time and expend

> energy forming social alliances to survive, autistics who are

> functioning higher on the autistic spectrum can simply devise ways

> to get what they want and what they need without having to interact

> with people socially. This allows them to excel faster and higher.

>

> I believe this is how autistics like Spielberg and Bill

> Gates went from unknown to household names in a matter of decades.

> They stayed focused on their goals.

>

> As for social alliances for those two, you either did what they

told

> you to do, or you were out on your ear.

>

> IF God and nature are causing more autistics to be born these days

> then in the past, I believe it is because autistics in general tend

> to have a more positive impact on the environment then their

> neurotypical counterparts.

>

> -Because we have fewer sexual partners, we don't flood the earth

> with babies, thereby slowing down the use of the earth's resources.

>

> -We tend to fight strongly for issues and causes we believe in -

> like environmental ones, and moral ones.

>

> -We tend to take ACTION, rather than whine about things being

> terrible.

>

> I think that when autistics are functioning optimally, they are

very

> much what the earth needs in this specific period in history.

>

> Tom

> Administrator

>

[Guest guest]

Personally I would say I am more introvert - I dislike parties and

all that kind of stuff, dislike being the center of attention (would

rather work behind the scenes) and yet I am not totally introvert,

meaning I do seek out some amount of limited social contact, I have a

few friends and I prefer the majority of my social interaction online

(as it is easier), however I will interact with some off-line and

occasionally it isn't too bad. I still find interaction off-line more

taxing on me however and have noticed the more off-line interaction I

have to do, the more tired I become and then I need to withdraw for a

while.

DITTO, I have noticed as I get older the recovery time is longer and

I interact infrequently. I am thinking it is getting more difficult

to interact for any time. I have no Friends that I see on a regular

basis. When I do see people It is like a task to get me to go. Once

I go I can hold it together for a while but after an hour I am

looking for the door unless it is something I am intrested in. Then

I can be with people for hours. My sister keeps trying to get me to

go on a cruise LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. I am pretty sure if the

claustophobia didn't kill me the forced interaction with tons of

people would. (see how well my family knows me )

[Guest guest]

" DITTO, I have noticed as I get older the recovery time is longer and

I interact infrequently. I am thinking it is getting more difficult

to interact for any time. I have no Friends that I see on a regular

basis. When I do see people It is like a task to get me to go. Once

I go I can hold it together for a while but after an hour I am

looking for the door unless it is something I am intrested in. Then

I can be with people for hours. My sister keeps trying to get me to

go on a cruise LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. I am pretty sure if the

claustophobia didn't kill me the forced interaction with tons of

people would. (see how well my family knows me ) "

I think that as I get older, the responsibilities increase, but the

level of energy I have to devote to these responsibilities is the

same or less than it was when I was just ten years younger. This has

caused me to resign myself to the fact that I must apply my energy

where it is needed most, and, inevitably, social interaction gets

cut since, for me, it seems to take more energy than other areas -

and with fewer rewards.

I have NOT regretted the fact that I do not socialize as much. In

fact, socializing LESS improves my disposition and seems to put me

in better spirits for the times when I do socialize.

Also, seeing people less has made me a bit more mysterious, and so

people seem to value me more the less they see me. This makes me

feel cared for, even if the caring on their part is only curiosity,

or ungenuine.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

" My sister keeps trying to get me to go on a cruise

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. "

Ha ha, can you swim? :-) Personally I'd be wanting to throw myself

over board to escape possibly. Still escaping to one's cabin not too

bad to avoid people :-)

>

> Personally I would say I am more introvert - I dislike parties and

> all that kind of stuff, dislike being the center of attention

(would

> rather work behind the scenes) and yet I am not totally introvert,

> meaning I do seek out some amount of limited social contact, I have

a

> few friends and I prefer the majority of my social interaction

online

> (as it is easier), however I will interact with some off-line and

> occasionally it isn't too bad. I still find interaction off-line

more

> taxing on me however and have noticed the more off-line interaction

I

> have to do, the more tired I become and then I need to withdraw for

a

> while.

>

>

> DITTO, I have noticed as I get older the recovery time is longer

and

> I interact infrequently. I am thinking it is getting more

difficult

> to interact for any time. I have no Friends that I see on a

regular

> basis. When I do see people It is like a task to get me to go.

Once

> I go I can hold it together for a while but after an hour I am

> looking for the door unless it is something I am intrested in.

Then

> I can be with people for hours. My sister keeps trying to get me

to

> go on a cruise LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. I am pretty sure if the

> claustophobia didn't kill me the forced interaction with tons of

> people would. (see how well my family knows me )

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Personally I would say I am more introvert - I dislike parties

and

> > all that kind of stuff, dislike being the center of attention

> (would

> > rather work behind the scenes) and yet I am not totally

introvert,

> > meaning I do seek out some amount of limited social contact, I

have

> a

> > few friends and I prefer the majority of my social interaction

> online

> > (as it is easier), however I will interact with some off-line

and

> > occasionally it isn't too bad. I still find interaction off-line

> more

> > taxing on me however and have noticed the more off-line

interaction

> I

> > have to do, the more tired I become and then I need to withdraw

for

> a

> > while.

> >

> >

> > DITTO, I have noticed as I get older the recovery time is longer

> and

> > I interact infrequently. I am thinking it is getting more

> difficult

> > to interact for any time. I have no Friends that I see on a

> regular

> > basis. When I do see people It is like a task to get me to go.

> Once

> > I go I can hold it together for a while but after an hour I am

> > looking for the door unless it is something I am intrested in.

> Then

> > I can be with people for hours. My sister keeps trying to get

me

> to

> > go on a cruise LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. I am pretty sure if the

> > claustophobia didn't kill me the forced interaction with tons of

> > people would. (see how well my family knows me )

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Tom wrote: " My sister keeps trying to get me to go on a cruise.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. "

responded: " Ha ha, can you swim? :-) Personally I'd be wanting

to throw myself over board to escape possibly. Still escaping to one's

cabin not too bad to avoid people. "

wjmnew added: " ... <snip> ... a cruise is not my idea of fun,there

are a lot of people and planned social activities ... <snip> ... i

spent a lot of time walking around outside and knew boats, ships,

cruises aren't for me. "

Having actually worked on cruiseships in the Caribbean and the

Mediterranean as a musician, I can tell you that I was in a constant

state of anxiety despite appearing calm and at ease. One saving grace

was that as a musician, I was expected to remain apart from the

'paying customers' and as such, I was able to function in my capacity

as musician.

Would I do it again? I had a chance to return to a cruiseship 12

years ago as a band leader in one of the lounges and after some

thought (the pros and cons had to be debated in true Aspie fashion), I

chose not to go.

Raven

Co-Administrator

[Guest guest]

" i went on a one day cruise from tampa out into the gulf of mexico

and back into tampa,i liked being " underway " but i noticed all the

people were drinking booze,gambling,eating a lot and engaging in all

these

horrible planned activities.i spent alot of time walking around

outside and knew boats,ships,cruises aren't for me. "

I don't get why people need to have planned activities on a cruise

ship. Isn't neat just to stroll the decks and see the ocean? But I

guess for others getting drunk and gambling is what makes the

vacation.

I've always wondered why people feel the need to get drunk while on

vacation by the way, but I'm thinking that maybe when a person is on

vacation, they have too much free time with themselves, and, maybe

they can't live with themselves for too long. So they get drunk in

the hope that it will blot out their bad feelings about themselves.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

Mimi actually wrote that.

Tom

Administrator

" My sister keeps trying to get me to go on a cruise.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. "

[Guest guest]

Tom wrote: " ... <snip> ... I've always wondered why people feel the

need to get drunk while on vacation by the way, but I'm thinking that

maybe when a person is on vacation, they have too much free time with

themselves, and, maybe they can't live with themselves for too long.

So they get drunk in the hope that it will blot out their bad feelings

about themselves. "

Most people, I find, are not comfortable in their own skin. Rather

than learn who they are and then embrace that uniqueness of their

individuality, they avoid knowing themselves because it feels like a

lot of work to them.

Truth be told, I have no problem being alone with my thoughts. I like

being with nature on my own and being in the moment for as long as the

moment lasts. And sometimes, when that moment is happening, the rest

of the world zooms by hours at a time. :-)

Raven

Co-Administrator

[Guest guest]

Duly noted.

On another note, if people could respond to the snippet they are

responding to and identify the poster making the statement being

responded to, the confusion would be greatly diminished I think.

Just an idea.

Raven

Co-Administrator

" My sister keeps trying to get me to go on a cruise.

> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. "

>

[Guest guest]

I think people get drunk to delude themselves, release themselves even

further from responsibility. You know the " but I was drunk " I have

never done anything I didn't want to do, even if it was wrong. I am

pretty much unable at this point to lie to myself(can manage to lie to

others on rare occasions) I get sick when I am untrue to myself, It

feels terrible like I am sick, tired, neausous, anxious all at the same

time.

[Guest guest]

I think people get drunk to delude themselves, release themselves even

further from responsibility. You know the " but I was drunk " I have

never done anything I didn't want to do, even if it was wrong. I am

pretty much unable at this point to lie to myself(can manage to lie to

others on rare occasions) I get sick when I am untrue to myself, It

feels terrible like I am sick, tired, neausous, anxious all at the same

time.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Mimi actually wrote that.

> >

> > Tom

> > Administrator

> >

oh come on we all share the same thoughts anyway, Guess what I am

thinking now. Besides, I write male. oops mail Ok ok that was

bad but I think if I didn't say I might sound more male than some men

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Mimi actually wrote that.

> >

> > Tom

> > Administrator

> >

oh come on we all share the same thoughts anyway, Guess what I am

thinking now. Besides, I write male. oops mail Ok ok that was

bad but I think if I didn't say I might sound more male than some men

[Guest guest]

yeah- i just asked the same exact question and got no response-

I'm sure you'll have better luck, just watch.

>

>

>

http://www.newhope.com/nutritionsciencenews/NSN_backs/May_99/nutrientp

> rofile_s1.cfm

>

> I have heard many times the question about why mites will affect

some

> in a household, but others are left untouched. I have also

> questioned this in the past as well. I found this little excerpt

and

> got to thinking. Sulfur is touted to be the one main parasitic

> killers throughout time. But then again, our skin, hair and nails

> also contain a high amount of sulfur. It is also said that with

food

> processing and that we don't eat food directly out of the ground

> anymore, most sulfur content is destroyed. Supposedly leading to a

> deficiency in sulfur. Why then would mites want to feed on the

> keratin of some of our skins but not others. Might it have to do

> with this " deficiency " ? Would mites then be more prone to attack

> those with a deficiency first? In the case of a family, if one has

> been exposed, it is most probable all have been exposed. Those

whom

> are not deficient seem to fight them off longer? I still believe

you

> could have the strongest immune system there is and with enough and

> long enough exposure, you will get whatever. Mix in an attractant

> such as female hormones and one might identify a preference? Kids

> lack hormones until a certain age. Anywho, just thinking....

>

[Guest guest]

SOM- My apologies. I was unaware of that question you posed, great minds think alike? I was just thinking thats all. I think I have found the source, anyways, I am taking samples tomorrow. Have a dumpster coming as well. To All- Might you all have any suggestions on how to get a sample from a basement I-beam and rafter covered in black particles without exposing myself to possibly millions? This is not mold, but may be termites? Below these structures I am encountering the same debris and "dust like sand" that I had in the upper two floors of which seemed to be controlled for the moment. Eeeeiccckkkkshhh. Two finger chick flick. What do I put it in? Baggie, alcohol, which kind, formeldeghyde, plastic, glass, in order to get this to an Entomolgist ASAP. If any need a good visual, image me in a suit from 100,000

leagues under the sea, with the tank and air hose thing tommorrow night. Next question, whats the best way to get the contents from this basement to the dumpster w/o exposing my first floor? MM- I am working still on my link posting skills. Will get it right soon. Thanks for your patience.sikofmites <sikofmites@...> wrote: yeah- i just asked the same exact question and got no response- I'm sure you'll have better luck, just watch.>> > http://www.newhope.com/nutritionsciencenews/NSN_backs/May_99/nutrientp> rofile_s1.cfm> > I have heard many times the question about why mites will affect some > in a household, but others are left untouched. I have also > questioned this in the past as well. I found this little excerpt and > got to thinking. Sulfur is touted to be the one main parasitic > killers throughout time. But then again, our skin, hair and nails > also contain a high amount of sulfur. It is also said that with food > processing and that we don't eat food directly out of the ground > anymore, most sulfur content is destroyed. Supposedly leading to a

> deficiency in sulfur. Why then would mites want to feed on the > keratin of some of our skins but not others. Might it have to do > with this "deficiency"? Would mites then be more prone to attack > those with a deficiency first? In the case of a family, if one has > been exposed, it is most probable all have been exposed. Those whom > are not deficient seem to fight them off longer? I still believe you > could have the strongest immune system there is and with enough and > long enough exposure, you will get whatever. Mix in an attractant > such as female hormones and one might identify a preference? Kids > lack hormones until a certain age. Anywho, just thinking....> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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[Guest guest]

SOM, I didn't see your post regarding this question. Maybe there is

a problem with the site. Anyway, I think that the majority of people

with mites are older. My son was biten, but is now not being

bothered. It must have something to do with age, although I have

heard of kids being biten I wonder if they also are getting them

internally? My dad has them now too and he is 67, I'm 50, my son is

17.

> >

> >

> >

>

http://www.newhope.com/nutritionsciencenews/NSN_backs/May_99/nutrientp

> > rofile_s1.cfm

> >

> > I have heard many times the question about why mites will affect

> some

> > in a household, but others are left untouched. I have also

> > questioned this in the past as well. I found this little excerpt

> and

> > got to thinking. Sulfur is touted to be the one main parasitic

> > killers throughout time. But then again, our skin, hair and

nails

> > also contain a high amount of sulfur. It is also said that with

> food

> > processing and that we don't eat food directly out of the ground

> > anymore, most sulfur content is destroyed. Supposedly leading to

a

> > deficiency in sulfur. Why then would mites want to feed on the

> > keratin of some of our skins but not others. Might it have to do

> > with this " deficiency " ? Would mites then be more prone to attack

> > those with a deficiency first? In the case of a family, if one

has

> > been exposed, it is most probable all have been exposed. Those

> whom

> > are not deficient seem to fight them off longer? I still believe

> you

> > could have the strongest immune system there is and with enough

and

> > long enough exposure, you will get whatever. Mix in an

attractant

> > such as female hormones and one might identify a preference?

Kids

> > lack hormones until a certain age. Anywho, just thinking....

> >

>

[Guest guest]

This is an epidemic.

I really do believe we're on the forefront of a cure though.

I am on my way to see Dr. Staninger and am praying that everything

she told me is true. I am so very sorry to read about your family.

I am stepping up my efforts and will do ANYTHING that I have to in

order to be normal and healthy again and will hopefully be able to

help you and your family through my efforts some time in the near

future. I just can't spend any more time guessing about this.

After what I've learned, I compare guessing my way through this to

trying to give yourself brain surgery- there are definitely experts

out there who are more qualified and who know more about it than me-

I just have to find them.

I have a very good feeling about this Flea Buster method for treating

the home and car and will be talking to them again today as well, did

you read my post about that?

It just makes GOOD sense to attack them in this way in my opinion as

it takes care of the " invincible egg " problem which is what causes

the reinfestations....

Well, I'm on my way... Pray for good news- OK?

blessings-

som

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

http://www.newhope.com/nutritionsciencenews/NSN_backs/May_99/nutrientp

> > > rofile_s1.cfm

> > >

> > > I have heard many times the question about why mites will

affect

> > some

> > > in a household, but others are left untouched. I have also

> > > questioned this in the past as well. I found this little

excerpt

> > and

> > > got to thinking. Sulfur is touted to be the one main parasitic

> > > killers throughout time. But then again, our skin, hair and

> nails

> > > also contain a high amount of sulfur. It is also said that

with

> > food

> > > processing and that we don't eat food directly out of the

ground

> > > anymore, most sulfur content is destroyed. Supposedly leading

to

> a

> > > deficiency in sulfur. Why then would mites want to feed on the

> > > keratin of some of our skins but not others. Might it have to

do

> > > with this " deficiency " ? Would mites then be more prone to

attack

> > > those with a deficiency first? In the case of a family, if one

> has

> > > been exposed, it is most probable all have been exposed. Those

> > whom

> > > are not deficient seem to fight them off longer? I still

believe

> > you

> > > could have the strongest immune system there is and with enough

> and

> > > long enough exposure, you will get whatever. Mix in an

> attractant

> > > such as female hormones and one might identify a preference?

> Kids

> > > lack hormones until a certain age. Anywho, just thinking....

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

TO SOM:

I did not see your post either. Some of mine never show up at all so I

think it must be a problem with the transmission somewhere. I don't

think I am being singled out. Anyway, my husband is 63 but he has

rheumatoid arthritis which is an autoimmune disease and I think that

might be the reason he gets bit and I don't. Younger children may have

more resistance than older people.

We tried the witch hazel with pine oil last night and it seemed to work

pretty well. He said he only felt one last night (crawly).

Joan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> http://www.newhope.com/nutritionsciencenews/NSN_backs/May_99/nutrientp

> > > rofile_s1.cfm

> > >

> > > I have heard many times the question about why mites will affect

> > some

> > > in a household, but others are left untouched. I have also

> > > questioned this in the past as well. I found this little excerpt

> > and

> > > got to thinking. Sulfur is touted to be the one main parasitic

> > > killers throughout time. But then again, our skin, hair and

> nails

> > > also contain a high amount of sulfur. It is also said that with

> > food

> > > processing and that we don't eat food directly out of the ground

> > > anymore, most sulfur content is destroyed. Supposedly leading to

> a

> > > deficiency in sulfur. Why then would mites want to feed on the

> > > keratin of some of our skins but not others. Might it have to do

> > > with this " deficiency " ? Would mites then be more prone to attack

> > > those with a deficiency first? In the case of a family, if one

> has

> > > been exposed, it is most probable all have been exposed. Those

> > whom

> > > are not deficient seem to fight them off longer? I still believe

> > you

> > > could have the strongest immune system there is and with enough

> and

> > > long enough exposure, you will get whatever. Mix in an

> attractant

> > > such as female hormones and one might identify a preference?

> Kids

> > > lack hormones until a certain age. Anywho, just thinking....

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Fritolay,

The following is from the birdmites.org strategies page on collecting

a sample:

" To capture mite samples from a heavily infested room: Place a pan of

hot, steaming water in the middle of a darkened room at night. Place

a single light over the pan, preferably a red IR lamp. Leave the room

undisturbed for a couple of hours. You will need to use a strong

magnifier to see them in the water. Place samples in a vial with

alcohol to preserve. "

(I have tried using a glue trap instead instead of the water with no

results)

Since they are most active after 5pm I would try to go in around noon

time to place the bait in hopes of reducing the risk and leave it

until the next day. I think it's pretty hard to avoid being attacked

unless you cover yourself completely. I would get myself in a rain

suit, googles, respirator, gloves and feet inside garbage bags taped

around the rain suit. That's what I did a couple of months ago when

the infestation was very heavy inside the house. I even used clear

plastic wrap around my head to seal around the head and the googles.

It seems like an overkill for just a couple of minutes but I guess it

depends how much risk you are willing to take. I went into the attic

last weekend just covered with Eurax from head to toe and got really

infested. It was hard to get them off me, even after three baths.

It just occurred to me that as an alternative, you could cover

yourself in vaseline. Maybe they'll stick to the vaseline enough for

you to grab them after you come out of the basement. I think I'll try

that myself.

Regarding getting the items out of your basement without infesting

your first floor, the only suggestion I have would be to try and

place the items inside plastic bags prior to getting them out. That

obviosuly won't work for bulky items. Another idea would be to spray

insecticide in the items themselves prior to taking them out.

Hopefully they will go and hide away from the items to avoid the

insecticide.

Good Luck- MM

PS. Don't worry about the links, looks like you have enough in your

basement to worry about.

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> > I have heard many times the question about why mites will affect

> some

> > in a household, but others are left untouched. I have also

> > questioned this in the past as well. I found this little excerpt

> and

> > got to thinking. Sulfur is touted to be the one main parasitic

> > killers throughout time. But then again, our skin, hair and nails

> > also contain a high amount of sulfur. It is also said that with

> food

> > processing and that we don't eat food directly out of the ground

> > anymore, most sulfur content is destroyed. Supposedly leading to

a

> > deficiency in sulfur. Why then would mites want to feed on the

> > keratin of some of our skins but not others. Might it have to do

> > with this " deficiency " ? Would mites then be more prone to attack

> > those with a deficiency first? In the case of a family, if one

has

> > been exposed, it is most probable all have been exposed. Those

> whom

> > are not deficient seem to fight them off longer? I still believe

> you

> > could have the strongest immune system there is and with enough

and

> > long enough exposure, you will get whatever. Mix in an attractant

> > such as female hormones and one might identify a preference? Kids

> > lack hormones until a certain age. Anywho, just thinking....

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Joan- I thought that with rheum. arthritis they commonly prescribe MSM with Glucosamine. It is purported to improve the disease and pain associated with it. I believe the joints of the body contain the highest amount of sulfur. Cartilage and ligaments. A lack of dietary sulfur? Might it contribute to the disease itself and perhaps predispose one to mites due to that deficiency? I guess why I am thinking this way is due to my own knee. I didn't have joint problems, well not until the mite problem was at its worst. I then developed right knee pain and intermittent bilateral knee pain. I attributed it to my running but now I am not so sure. Radiographically there is no structural damage to my knees, no clicking, cracking, although at the worst of my mite problem it did. I experience this same pain when I take Ivermectin. I have been using MSM

topically for about a month now and now I just experience intermittent pain in which seem to coincide with a hatch or a period in which these mites are most active? Perhaps its due to a kill off instead, they do become quite active just before dying, erratic, but active. I just have to wonder if there is an uninvestigated connection there somewhere. Again, just thinking. <joanwood@...> wrote: TO SOM:I did not see your post either. Some of mine never show up at all so Ithink it must

be a problem with the transmission somewhere. I don'tthink I am being singled out. Anyway, my husband is 63 but he hasrheumatoid arthritis which is an autoimmune disease and I think thatmight be the reason he gets bit and I don't. Younger children may havemore resistance than older people.We tried the witch hazel with pine oil last night and it seemed to workpretty well. He said he only felt one last night (crawly).Joan> > >> > >> > >> >> http://www.newhope.com/nutritionsciencenews/NSN_backs/May_99/nutrientp> > > rofile_s1.cfm> > >> > > I have heard many times the question about

why mites will affect> > some> > > in a household, but others are left untouched. I have also> > > questioned this in the past as well. I found this little excerpt> > and> > > got to thinking. Sulfur is touted to be the one main parasitic> > > killers throughout time. But then again, our skin, hair and> nails> > > also contain a high amount of sulfur. It is also said that with> > food> > > processing and that we don't eat food directly out of the ground> > > anymore, most sulfur content is destroyed. Supposedly leading to> a> > > deficiency in sulfur. Why then would mites want to feed on the> > > keratin of some of our skins but not others. Might it have to do> > > with this "deficiency"? Would mites then be more prone to attack> > > those with a deficiency first? In the case of a

family, if one> has> > > been exposed, it is most probable all have been exposed. Those> > whom> > > are not deficient seem to fight them off longer? I still believe> > you> > > could have the strongest immune system there is and with enough> and> > > long enough exposure, you will get whatever. Mix in an> attractant> > > such as female hormones and one might identify a preference?> Kids> > > lack hormones until a certain age. Anywho, just thinking....> > >> >> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

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