Re: New and have questions...

[Guest guest]

<<I am new to this group and desperately want to gather information

about immunizations. I have a 2 month old, who has not yet received

any vaccinations.>>

Yay!! I hope you decide to keep him or her that way! My 6yo has never

received any and has attended public daycare in Ohio. There are

exemptions you can use in EVERY state! If any school received public

money, they HAVE to accept these exemptions. Most exemptions are just a

letter that you write stating your exemption, etc. Some states require

it be notarized - big deal so you sign the letter in front of a notary,

doesn't usually cost much.

<<I discussed the pros and cons with my pediatrician

and was told if I decided to delay or refuse to vaccinate my baby,

the practice will not continue to see my child. >>

You would be amazed how many practices get away with this crap. :-(

I've had to fire several drs because of their pressuring me to vax even

when they knew from the start that I hadn't and wouldn't. Luckily,

after searching high and low, I've found a doctor that is happy to vax

kids, but knows that we don't and she doesn't ask. :-) She's going to

write a letter for me for the hospital where I am going to be delivering

next spring to exempt the baby. Don't want the nurses arguing with me

again like they did last time 15 minutes after I'd gotten out of

surgery.

<<but I know I will run into opposition everywhere, especially public

day care, where my

child will have to go within the next few months.>>

Not everywhere, but there are a lot of places.

<<I am also concerned about whooping cough since we have recently had an

outbreak here and I know babies are at greater risk of complications.>>

Children who have not been vaccinated tend to be healthier then children

who have. Others will have suggestions on how to avoid things like

this. When my daughter was in day care and my older daughters were in

school, I just took my chances, kept my eye on them and hired a

homeopath. :-)

<<Are there any vaccines I should give my child?>>

In my opinion - No! They don't work and they are full of nasty toxins.

Read the package inserts, it will turn your stomach!

<<Are there any parents here who have selectively vaccinated their baby

and not dealt with opposition,

especially in a day care setting where vaccines are " mandatory? " >>

I haven't, I don't think anyone else here has, but I could be wrong.

I do currently home school (virtual school) my children, however my

oldest and middle have attended public elementary schools with

exemptions. And as I said earlier, my youngest did go to 2 different

daycares for 1 year each with no vaccines. I used the same exemption

for each of them just changing the names. The reasons why I home school

are only partly due to the vaccine/health issue, happy to explain

offlist. My oldest daughter has also gone to summer camp for children

with diabetes each of the 5 years that she's had the disease and they've

never questioned her vaccine status either. That might be because she

got most of them before we stopped. My middle is going to camp with her

this year (even though she doesn't have diabetes) but she's had a lot

less shots, so I'm wondering if they will notice and/or say anything.

It will be interesting since I am currently working for the non-profit

that runs the camps. :-)

)0(~~~)0(~~~)0(

Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; , born

06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Baby #4 due 05/07.

Vaccine free since 1999.

[Guest guest]

Hello AHeart4Family,

One thing I have read countless times about vaccinations is that the

" vaccinated " individual still gets the disease, especially during

outbreaks.

I think (and I am no Doctor) that good nutrition is the best thing you

can do to help lessen or prevent the symptoms of whooping cough should

your child get it. For example, this article talks about the affects

of vitamin C in reducing the length of the symptoms (scroll to bottom

to see table of cases).

http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/193x/ormerod-mj-etal-canadian_med_assn_j-\

1937-v37-n2-p134.htm

Here is another article which goes over the affects of vitamin C on

whooping cough. Please note that the vaccinated cases had a longer

period of symptoms.

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/whooping2.html

Please also note that you will need a lot more vit C than the 60mg

recoomended by the government.

Also, check out this site. It shows that cases of death by whooping

cough has decreased dramatically since before vaccines were introduced.

http://www.health.org.nz/whoop.html

Though I have not read any articles about vitamin D and whooping

cough, I have read a lot of articles on vitamin D and overall

sickness. Vitamin D is a very important vitamin that helps the body

in more ways than we know. I would reccomend a Cod Liver Oil

supplement, which has a lot of vitamin D, if your child has whooping

cough... especially during the winter time when there is less sun out.

Also, as the child will be stuck indoors they will get a lot less

sun, so they need to get their vitamin D from supplements, instead of

usual sun light. I don't reccomend vitamin D from fortified milk...

natural vitamin D from fish oils is more trustworthy.

Stay away from sugary snacks and processed foods. Go with whole foods

that are rich in vitamins and minerals. If your child gets whooping

cough, it does not mean you lost. There is a lot you can do after the

fact to help lessen the symptoms and get them back to good health.

thanks

jose

--- In Vaccinations , " aheart4family "

<aheart4family@...> wrote

> Hello everyone!

>

> I am new to this group and desperately want to gather information

> about immunizations. I have a 2 month old, who has not yet received

> any vaccinations. I discussed the pros and cons with my pediatrician

> and was told if I decided to delay or refuse to vaccinate my baby,

> the practice will not continue to see my child.

>

> My concern are many with regard to vaccinations. I would like

> nothing more than to refuse all vaccination, but I know I will run

> into opposition everywhere, especially public day care, where my

> child will have to go within the next few months. I am also

> concerned about whooping cough since we have recently had an outbreak

> here and I know babies are at greater risk of complications.

>

> As far as Hep B, I refused to have my child vaccinated right at birth

> due to religious convictions and I was not pressured any longer in

> the hospital. My questions are the following: Are there any

> vaccines I should give my child? Are there any parents here who have

> selectively vaccinated their baby and not dealt with opposition,

> especially in a day care setting where vaccines are " mandatory? "

>

> I cannot wait to get some feedback from this group. Thanks for

> reasing my post and I'm looking forward to your input.

>

[Guest guest]

>

We hear this all the time on this list, and I wonder: what possible

excuse could a pediatrician have for kicking someone out of their

practice for not vaccinating? They aren't legally liable if they

recommend something that the parent refuses. Surely they don't expect

every patient to accept everything they say regarding treatment...

that's what second opinions are for. Would they kick you out of their

practice for refusing an antibiotic or steroids? If they believe

vaccines will prevent all sorts of terrible illnesses, then aren't they

remiss for refusing to treat a child who will " likely " (in their minds)

come down with all sorts of illnesses that will require medical

treatment?

I'll wager that the only real reason they have behind kicking out

people who don't vaccinate is to coerce them into vaccinating, and

that's a pretty disgusting reason that they would not be able to stand

behind if cornered about it. I'm sick of hearing about people needing

to defend their decision not to vaccinate... it's backwards. The

doctors should be on the defensive, having to defend their decision to

penalize people who don't acquiesce. I'm assuming the reason that

people on this list always advise parents not to argue with doctors is

to protect them from having the doctors call Child Protective

Services... is that correct? Otherwise, I don't see why these jerk

doctors shouldn't be put on the spot for trying to strong-arm parents.

We're lucky that we've found a pediatrician who recommends but doesn't

force vaccinations (yes, they do exist). That's why we switched from

the old pediatrician, and I've thought off and on about writing a

scathing letter to the old peds telling them why we left (their

pressuring). Mostly I haven't because I don't have time, but when I

hear stories like this again, it makes me angry all over again and

wanting to stand up for what I believe.

-Angie, officially not recommending anything

> I discussed the pros and cons with my pediatrician

> and was told if I decided to delay or refuse to vaccinate my baby,

> the practice will not continue to see my child.

[Guest guest]

That might be one reason, Angie, but mostly it's because parents often

aren't as prepared to defend their nonvax stance as the peds are to defend

theirs. It's very easy to become intimidated by the " gods in white coats. "

They, afterall, have training in how to respond to parents such as us. We

parents, on the other hand, are often just beginning in our quest for true

health and may not be well versed in how to say what we want. And we

shouldn't have to. Their OUR children. If they are injured by a vaccine,

WE are the ones left to pick up the pieces and care for that child 24/7. As

someone said earlier, the MDs work for US, and we have the right to dismiss

THEM if they don't do as we want.

Most of us would NOT win a debate with a medically trained professional, so

why even try? We will only come out on the short end, looking like

negligent and ignorant.

That's why I do not recommend getting into a debates with MDs. Now if

you're someone like Sheri Nakken, go right ahead! ; )

Kay

I'm assuming the reason that

> people on this list always advise parents not to argue with doctors is

> to protect them from having the doctors call Child Protective

> Services... is that correct? Otherwise, I don't see why these jerk

> doctors shouldn't be put on the spot for trying to strong-arm parents.

> >

> -Angie

[Guest guest]

At 04:14 PM 12/9/2006 -0500, you wrote:

>That might be one reason, Angie, but mostly it's because parents often

>aren't as prepared to defend their nonvax stance as the peds are to defend

>theirs. It's very easy to become intimidated by the " gods in white coats. "

>They, afterall, have training in how to respond to parents such as us. We

>parents, on the other hand, are often just beginning in our quest for true

>health and may not be well versed in how to say what we want. And we

>shouldn't have to. Their OUR children. If they are injured by a vaccine,

>WE are the ones left to pick up the pieces and care for that child 24/7. As

>someone said earlier, the MDs work for US, and we have the right to dismiss

>THEM if they don't do as we want.

>

>Most of us would NOT win a debate with a medically trained professional, so

>why even try? We will only come out on the short end, looking like

>negligent and ignorant.

>

>That's why I do not recommend getting into a debates with MDs. Now if

>you're someone like Sheri Nakken, go right ahead! ; )

>

>Kay

I DO NOT even get in debates with them. It isn't worth my time and effort

and I would never 'win' either. It isn't about the truth, it is about

propaganda and a threat to their practice and whole purpose in life.

Don't bother.

Of course CPS is an issue too, but mainly above.

Kay is exactly right

Sheri

>

>

>I'm assuming the reason that

>> people on this list always advise parents not to argue with doctors is

>> to protect them from having the doctors call Child Protective

>> Services... is that correct? Otherwise, I don't see why these jerk

>> doctors shouldn't be put on the spot for trying to strong-arm parents.

>> >

>> -Angie

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If they are injured by a vaccine,

> WE are the ones left to pick up the pieces and care for that child

24/7.

#### That is what I told my DH who has been nagging me lately about

vaxing our 2.5 yr old (so far he's not been vaxed for anything; we had

an unmedicated homebirth). I told him I'd rather take a risk with a

disease that happens to an otherwise healthy kid than either vaxing a

child and reaping the repercussions or having a vaxed child get sick

anyway. I don't think people used to be scared of chicken pox - why be

scared now? Unless of course your child is eating tons of junk food and

isn't healthy to begin with. A normal healthy child can handle chicken

pox just fine. And what if my child gets autism as a result of vax? We

have to deal with that our whole lives and the doctor/vax company are

the ones who are protected !!!

I have printed a copy of recommended vax from the CDC and I told my DH

that I would be happy to sit down with him and go over each and every

one and tell him why I oppose it. So far it hasn't come to that.

Unfortunately, he comes from a system that believes doctors pretty

blindly and he doesn't feel confident in my research or doing research

on his own. (sigh)

Magda

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Hi Dina and welcome!

The best place to start ....go to FILES, then New Member doc., read all you see there. Also important to read is Commonly Asked Questions...again, read read read, you will learn much in the FILES. After you have read all you can there, please feel free to ask questions here. Again, welcome! Kathleen

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Dina,

Many common questions are answered in the New Member document that you were

sent when you joined. If you don't still have that on your computer, you

can find it on the website by going to the bottom of this email and

clicking the link to " visit your group on the web " , then look at the menu

on the left side, click on Files, it's in the very first file folder.

It's good to start there because it covers so much basic information,

including the companion nutrients, the iodine types we recommend, etc.

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>Hi...

>

>Im Dina...diagnosed with MS in 2005... Im interested in starting Iodine,

>but was a bit confused on how much to take to start, and when to increase

>dosage and what to expect... Any supplements of Iodineor certain ones... I

>have been reading a lil bit and I just am clueless where to start and if

>there is anything else I should take with it etc...the only thing I take

>daily right now is LDN, multi vitamin, and D3...any help and info would be

>greatly appreciated...Thanks so much !!!

>

>

>

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