Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Hi Joe, Yes. Allergic reaaction to this is very rare but it can happen. I have heard of it twice and seen it once. My sister-in-law was here a couple of years ago and wanted to see what the Flax Oil tasted like. She tasted a teaspoon full one night and the next morning she asked me if anyone could get a rash from it. I said that it was rare but I had heard of it. She said, " Like this? " and she unbuttoned the top button of her blouse and her neck was red as fire. She wasnt in discomfort, but it was there. I read that in cases like that it sometimes is possible to take just a little and gradually increase it and the body may get used to it. I am sorry it happened because it could have hlped the lady if she could have used it. Cliff lung cancer > > > > Hi, > > > > permit me to suggest that there may be another way to fight lung cancer; > and > > in fact, any cancer. > > > > Some examples are given below. So far there have been no situation with > > lung cancer that has not been taken care of where the one with the cancer > > stayed with it. > > > > This approach has not been tested offically and never will be. It is too > > cheap. > > > > While there are many different strains of any type of cancer, this > approach > > has been successful with any kind of cancer when used as Dr. Budwig has > > directed. We have seen it to be used very successfully even when that was > > added to any diet and the sources of Omega 6 eliminated as much as > possible. > > > > Cliff > > *************** > > > > > > > > LUNG CANCER > > > > I am going to set up a document with accounts of lung cancer of which we > > have known. > > > > ************************* > > Hi > > > > Saturday Aug 19, 2000 I had a call from Casper, WY, that was exciting. > > > > The caller told me that in march, 2000 he was diagnosed with a serious > > cancer in his right lung and told that he did not have more than 1 to 3 > > months to live. > > > > He was given chemo and couldn't stand it. He was put on hospice with > > morphine patches in case the pain got too great. He was 73 and had just > > about decided to go to the hospital and die. > > > > At this point a rancher friend who had gotten a tape on Flaxseed Oil at a > > Bible conference heard about his situation and gave it to him. > > > > He told me he listened to the tape and fell in love with what he heard and > > imediately began to use 6 tablespoons of flaxseed oil and cottage cheese a > > day. > > > > He said it " kicked in " right away, though usually it does not work quite > > that quickly. > > > > He had an appointment with the Oncologist before long and the doctor took > X > > rays. The caller said he came out of the lab soon with a puzzled look on > > his face and asked him what, if anything, he had been doing. > > He told the doctor he had been using flaxseed oil. > > > > The doctor said that the tumor he had in his right lung had not changed, > > but > > the tumor in his left lung, about which he had not told him, had > completely > > disappeared without a trace. > > > > He gave the doctor a tape and told me that the doctor and nurses were > > making > > tapes and distributing them. > > > > The caller said he was feeling good, continuing on the flaxseed oil and > > getting along well and seemed quite excited; as I was to hear it. > > > > We are praising The Lord for His provision. > > > > " Cliff > > > > ************************** > > > > About three years ago I was in my doctor's waiting room when a couple came > > in. I spoke to them briefly. > > > > That night the lady called and told me that her husband was a retired > > college professor, 73, who had an 85% involvement with cancer in his left > > lung. > > > > The decision had been made to remove the lung at the Cancer > center > > in Knoxville, Tn. > > > > When the attempt was made it was determined that the cancer had spread > > further and they simply closed up and decided to use radiation and chemo. > > > > The radiation had been done with no apparent results and he and his wife > > decided that rather than go through the misery of chemo they would just > > live as long as possible and forget it. > > > > Thje Oncologist did not argue with that. She suggested that they come to > > Rutledge and get flax oil and get started with four to eight tablespoons a > > day with cottage cheese. > > > > They decided on 6 and got two quarts and then got their own after that. > > > > Three months later I was in again and asked if she had seen him again. > She > > had seen him the previous week. The cancer was still there but he was > > holding his own. > > > > I remembered him about a year and a half later and she said that he had > > died, but that he did not die of cancer. He was not a very active person > > and died of a blood clot that moved to his heart. > > > > *********************** > > > > A lady about 73 lived two houses down from us. She was a frail person and > > a > > smoker. > > The doctors found a tumor about the size of a quarter on the lower part of > > her right lung and immediately urged an operation to remove half of the > > lung. > > > > She was afraid she could not stand the operation and her grandson who knew > > us well urged her to go on Flax Oil. I talked to her as well. > > She did but did not use it as she should have. Nevertheless there was no > > further growth of the tumor and I thought all was well. > > > > About two years later I heard that she had died. Her grandson told me > that > > on later checkups there was no growth of the cancer but the doctor kept > > urging an operation. The daughter that lived one door down did not want > > her > > to do it but she had five other children and they persuaded her to go > along > > wit h the doctor's advice. > > > > She did not make it off the operating table. The grandson did not feel > > kindly toward his aunts and uncles but rationalized that it was his > Mamaw's > > time to go. > > > > **************************** > > > > About 6 years ago a friend of ours had a cousin who was a veteran of WW > II. > > He had very serious lung cancer and it had spread to his upper arm. > > > > He got started with Flax Oil and it was not many months before we heard he > > was cancer free in a check up at the VA hospital. He called me and talked > > about it and was a happy man. > > > > About two years later I heard that he had passed away. Some folks have > the > > idea that flax oil is like an antibiotic. He got well so he saw no > further > > use for the oil. That is a mistake. One should have at least a > > maintenance > > dose of oil each day to keep healthy. > > > > He didn't and the cancer redeveloped. He decided that since it hadn't > > cured > > him he wouldn't bother with it again. > > > > *********************** > > > > The brother in law of Betsy, a member of a local church was 47 years old > > and incapacitated with lung cancer. This was around 7 years ago as I > > remember. > > > > He had been given up and was doing no standard treatment. He began using > 4 > > tablespoons of Flaxseed Oil a day with cottage cheese > > and in time [i do not know exactly how long but it was not many months] > > the > > only souvenier left was a little scar tissue and he was back at work. I > > never knew his name but did not about him. Betsy is the best friend of a > > good friend of ours. > > > > I visited the church occaisionally as the main musician was a fellow > > teacher > > and good friend. Kim was also the pastor's niece. > > > > The pastor's wife had colon cancer and had part of the colon removed and > > had been put on heavy chemo. Kim wanted her to switch to flax oil but a > > daughter was a student nurse, and told her " Momma, do what the doctor > tells > > you " . > > > > In a while the lady had virtually no immune system left and the doctor > > advised her to stay away from people lest she catch a cold and die and > took > > her off the chemo to see if her body could rebuild. > > > > Now she began using Flax Oil. In a short time the white count was going > up > > and she was able to be out in public again. She had an appointment with > > the > > doctor and told him what she was doing. > > > > He told her that had not done her any good. It was the chemo that was > > helping her. She was put back on chemo and in about three months she went > > into a coma and died. The chemo had destroyed her heart and liver. > > > > One Sunday night the pastor, , asked me for a tape. I didn't know he > > had not had one. A few weeks later I visited again and was talking with > > after the service. He told me that he hoped I was wrong but that he > > believed I was right. He said, " They killed my wife " . > > > > Then I asked him if he had heard about Betsy's brother in law. He said, > " I > > hear he's pretty bad. " I said, " He's well. " > > > > Betsy was still there and asked her how her brother in law was doing. > > She said, " He's well " . > > > > looked at me, and with all the feeling he could put in it, he said, > > " There's going to be doctors in HELL because of things like this!! " > > > > ****************************** > > > > Last June a friend of ours from beekeeping stopped by. She is a heavy > > woman, probably over 250 lbs. She had been diagnosed with a rapidly > > growing > > cancer in her lung. > > > > The doctor was really after her to get it cut out as soon as possible. > She > > was resisting because she did not think she could stand the operation. > > > > She began using 8 tablespoons of flax oil a day [which would be too much I > > believe if it were kept up] and in a checkup 8 weeks later there had been > > no further growth. > > > > The doctor still urged her to get an operation. A subsequent X ray showed > > no growth but was a little fuzzy as to any reduction. She had an MRI Oct. > > 19 and a consultation Oct 25 but I haven't heard any results. > > > > In January 2002 I learned that in early November of 2001 she had had a hip > > bone " explode " and had been hospitalized for quite a while, I think in > late > > January before she was released. She did not have an opportunity to use > the > > FO/CC during that time. > > > > She told me that the mass was still there but seemed to have changed its > > character. The doctor at that time did not believe it was malignant any > > longer but didn't want to go in and take anything for a biopsy as she was > > afraid she might bleed to death. Flax Oil is a mild blood thinner and she > > had used a lot of it. > > > > Today, June 30, 2002 I recieved word that she had passed away. I had not > > known any further details. > > > > September 11, 2002 I received further word. The cancer had come back. > She > > had gone back to the FO/CC. At the time of her death the cancer had been > > eliminated except for two small spots in a lung and one in her liver. > > > > She passed away as the result of ill health connected with Sugar Diabetes. > > The friend emphasized that it was not the cancer. > > > > Cliff > > > > > > > > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. > Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by > visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Dear EXCERPT: It is veritably impossible to find, among the hundreds of valid experimental contributions to our knowledge of cancer made during the past half century, an experimentally established datum that would controvert the thesis of the basic biological uniformity characterizing all exhibitions of cancer. THE CRITERIA OF UNIFORMITY To the experimentalist who does not overtly accept an unitarian thesis of cancer, such a thesis is still implicit in the commonplace facts of his science. The classic experiments of Warburg on the respiratory pattern of cancers of various species and tissue origins reveal a high uniformity from tumor to tumor.1 Correlatively, the Coris find the lactic acid and sugar content of the various exhibitions of cancer to be highly uniform.2 and his co- workers report a pronounced degree of uniformity in the concentration of eight B vitamins in a great variety of animal and human tumors, regardless of the tissue of origin or the manner of their induction.3 on makes similar observations for vitamin C.4 The addition of various substrates to malignant tumors of various types yields highly uniform respiratory responses.5 Shack describes an almost complete uniformity in cytochrome oxidase content in a number of mouse tumors. 6 Greenstein finds that the presence of any exhibition of cancer uniformly results in a depression of the liver catalase. 7,8 Maver and Barrett describe substantial evidence for an immunological uniformity among malignant tumors.9 Greenstein reports an impressive degree of uniformity in enzyme concentration among malignant tissues, regardless of their means of induction, tissue of origin or species of origin. 10 Others describe a uniformly low content of such aerobic catealytic systems as cytochrome, succinic, and d-amino acid oxidases, cytochrome-c, catalase and flavin.11,12,13,14,15,16,17 Further phenomena of uniformity are observed in the elevated water and cholesterol content of malignant tumors as well as other primitive tissues.18,19 The induction by a single steroid carcinogen, such as methylcholanthrene, of malignant exhibitions as diverse as leukemia and malignant melanoma, attests to a basically uniform etiology. The uniformity of various exhibitions of cancer in respiratory properties, lactic acid production, vitamin content, enzyme content, action on a given substrate, effect on liver catalase, cytochrome oxidase content immunological properties, and many other characteristics is correlative to an uniformity of malignant tumors in the ability to metastasize, in their amenability to heterotransplantability, 21, 22 and in their autonomy, invasiveness and erosiveness. Indeed, there is no known basic property unique to any single exhibition of cancer---the only variation being a morphological one partially conditioned by admixed benign or somatic components. The degree in the uniformity of the factors described increases with the increasing malignancy with which the tumor is exhibited. Thus with an increasing degree of malignancy, all malignant exhibitions converge toward a common tissue type. For this reason the cells of the most malignant of all exhibitions of cancer should epitomize the properties of the malignant component in all other exhibitions of cancer. That this is the case, we shall observe in the pages that follow. SOURCE: THE UNITARIAN OR TROPHOBLASTIC THESIS OF CANCER by Ernst T. Krebs, Jr.,* Ernst T. Krebs, Sr.,** and H. Beard*** (Reprinted From the Medical Record, 163:149-174, July 1950) Grace Cross www.theroadlesstravelledby.com > > Dear Grace, > To say that cancer IS cancer IS cancer, is an attempt to reduce a very complex set of diseases into a very simplistic concept with a simple solution. It is in effect disregarding all the varied detail of the many forms of cancer. It is not a scientific way of looking at cancer. I suppose a very gross generalization about cancer may sometimes be appropriate; but not when it comes to advocating treatment options. > Normally I wouldn't respond to this kind of email, however, a person with cancer in a serious situation such as myself needs to use some critical thinking and analysis. I would think that most readers did not take your suggestion seriously. > Sorry to disagree with your belief. I'm not sure how you arrived at your theory. Is there some organization that advocates this theory along with selling a product? > DeLuca > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Dear EXCERPT: It is veritably impossible to find, among the hundreds of valid experimental contributions to our knowledge of cancer made during the past half century, an experimentally established datum that would controvert the thesis of the basic biological uniformity characterizing all exhibitions of cancer. THE CRITERIA OF UNIFORMITY To the experimentalist who does not overtly accept an unitarian thesis of cancer, such a thesis is still implicit in the commonplace facts of his science. The classic experiments of Warburg on the respiratory pattern of cancers of various species and tissue origins reveal a high uniformity from tumor to tumor.1 Correlatively, the Coris find the lactic acid and sugar content of the various exhibitions of cancer to be highly uniform.2 and his co- workers report a pronounced degree of uniformity in the concentration of eight B vitamins in a great variety of animal and human tumors, regardless of the tissue of origin or the manner of their induction.3 on makes similar observations for vitamin C.4 The addition of various substrates to malignant tumors of various types yields highly uniform respiratory responses.5 Shack describes an almost complete uniformity in cytochrome oxidase content in a number of mouse tumors. 6 Greenstein finds that the presence of any exhibition of cancer uniformly results in a depression of the liver catalase. 7,8 Maver and Barrett describe substantial evidence for an immunological uniformity among malignant tumors.9 Greenstein reports an impressive degree of uniformity in enzyme concentration among malignant tissues, regardless of their means of induction, tissue of origin or species of origin. 10 Others describe a uniformly low content of such aerobic catealytic systems as cytochrome, succinic, and d-amino acid oxidases, cytochrome-c, catalase and flavin.11,12,13,14,15,16,17 Further phenomena of uniformity are observed in the elevated water and cholesterol content of malignant tumors as well as other primitive tissues.18,19 The induction by a single steroid carcinogen, such as methylcholanthrene, of malignant exhibitions as diverse as leukemia and malignant melanoma, attests to a basically uniform etiology. The uniformity of various exhibitions of cancer in respiratory properties, lactic acid production, vitamin content, enzyme content, action on a given substrate, effect on liver catalase, cytochrome oxidase content immunological properties, and many other characteristics is correlative to an uniformity of malignant tumors in the ability to metastasize, in their amenability to heterotransplantability, 21, 22 and in their autonomy, invasiveness and erosiveness. Indeed, there is no known basic property unique to any single exhibition of cancer---the only variation being a morphological one partially conditioned by admixed benign or somatic components. The degree in the uniformity of the factors described increases with the increasing malignancy with which the tumor is exhibited. Thus with an increasing degree of malignancy, all malignant exhibitions converge toward a common tissue type. For this reason the cells of the most malignant of all exhibitions of cancer should epitomize the properties of the malignant component in all other exhibitions of cancer. That this is the case, we shall observe in the pages that follow. SOURCE: THE UNITARIAN OR TROPHOBLASTIC THESIS OF CANCER by Ernst T. Krebs, Jr.,* Ernst T. Krebs, Sr.,** and H. Beard*** (Reprinted From the Medical Record, 163:149-174, July 1950) Grace Cross www.theroadlesstravelledby.com > > Dear Grace, > To say that cancer IS cancer IS cancer, is an attempt to reduce a very complex set of diseases into a very simplistic concept with a simple solution. It is in effect disregarding all the varied detail of the many forms of cancer. It is not a scientific way of looking at cancer. I suppose a very gross generalization about cancer may sometimes be appropriate; but not when it comes to advocating treatment options. > Normally I wouldn't respond to this kind of email, however, a person with cancer in a serious situation such as myself needs to use some critical thinking and analysis. I would think that most readers did not take your suggestion seriously. > Sorry to disagree with your belief. I'm not sure how you arrived at your theory. Is there some organization that advocates this theory along with selling a product? > DeLuca > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2003 Report Share Posted March 2, 2003 Grace, This is my last reply on this subject. Please make it your last. Beleive what you will. DeLuca " Grace E Cross <lythande6@...> " <lythande6@...> wrote:Dear EXCERPT: It is veritably impossible to find, among the hundreds of valid experimental contributions to our knowledge of cancer made during the past half century, an experimentally established datum that would controvert the thesis of the basic biological uniformity characterizing all exhibitions of cancer. THE CRITERIA OF UNIFORMITY To the experimentalist who does not overtly accept an unitarian thesis of cancer, such a thesis is still implicit in the commonplace facts of his science. The classic experiments of Warburg on the respiratory pattern of cancers of various species and tissue origins reveal a high uniformity from tumor to tumor.1 Correlatively, the Coris find the lactic acid and sugar content of the various exhibitions of cancer to be highly uniform.2 and his co- workers report a pronounced degree of uniformity in the concentration of eight B vitamins in a great variety of animal and human tumors, regardless of the tissue of origin or the manner of their induction.3 on makes similar observations for vitamin C.4 The addition of various substrates to malignant tumors of various types yields highly uniform respiratory responses.5 Shack describes an almost complete uniformity in cytochrome oxidase content in a number of mouse tumors. 6 Greenstein finds that the presence of any exhibition of cancer uniformly results in a depression of the liver catalase. 7,8 Maver and Barrett describe substantial evidence for an immunological uniformity among malignant tumors.9 Greenstein reports an impressive degree of uniformity in enzyme concentration among malignant tissues, regardless of their means of induction, tissue of origin or species of origin. 10 Others describe a uniformly low content of such aerobic catealytic systems as cytochrome, succinic, and d-amino acid oxidases, cytochrome-c, catalase and flavin.11,12,13,14,15,16,17 Further phenomena of uniformity are observed in the elevated water and cholesterol content of malignant tumors as well as other primitive tissues.18,19 The induction by a single steroid carcinogen, such as methylcholanthrene, of malignant exhibitions as diverse as leukemia and malignant melanoma, attests to a basically uniform etiology. The uniformity of various exhibitions of cancer in respiratory properties, lactic acid production, vitamin content, enzyme content, action on a given substrate, effect on liver catalase, cytochrome oxidase content immunological properties, and many other characteristics is correlative to an uniformity of malignant tumors in the ability to metastasize, in their amenability to heterotransplantability, 21, 22 and in their autonomy, invasiveness and erosiveness. Indeed, there is no known basic property unique to any single exhibition of cancer---the only variation being a morphological one partially conditioned by admixed benign or somatic components. The degree in the uniformity of the factors described increases with the increasing malignancy with which the tumor is exhibited. Thus with an increasing degree of malignancy, all malignant exhibitions converge toward a common tissue type. For this reason the cells of the most malignant of all exhibitions of cancer should epitomize the properties of the malignant component in all other exhibitions of cancer. That this is the case, we shall observe in the pages that follow. SOURCE: THE UNITARIAN OR TROPHOBLASTIC THESIS OF CANCER by Ernst T. Krebs, Jr.,* Ernst T. Krebs, Sr.,** and H. Beard*** (Reprinted From the Medical Record, 163:149-174, July 1950) Grace Cross www.theroadlesstravelledby.com > > Dear Grace, > To say that cancer IS cancer IS cancer, is an attempt to reduce a very complex set of diseases into a very simplistic concept with a simple solution. It is in effect disregarding all the varied detail of the many forms of cancer. It is not a scientific way of looking at cancer. I suppose a very gross generalization about cancer may sometimes be appropriate; but not when it comes to advocating treatment options. > Normally I wouldn't respond to this kind of email, however, a person with cancer in a serious situation such as myself needs to use some critical thinking and analysis. I would think that most readers did not take your suggestion seriously. > Sorry to disagree with your belief. I'm not sure how you arrived at your theory. Is there some organization that advocates this theory along with selling a product? > DeLuca > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2003 Report Share Posted March 2, 2003 Grace, This is my last reply on this subject. Please make it your last. Beleive what you will. DeLuca " Grace E Cross <lythande6@...> " <lythande6@...> wrote:Dear EXCERPT: It is veritably impossible to find, among the hundreds of valid experimental contributions to our knowledge of cancer made during the past half century, an experimentally established datum that would controvert the thesis of the basic biological uniformity characterizing all exhibitions of cancer. THE CRITERIA OF UNIFORMITY To the experimentalist who does not overtly accept an unitarian thesis of cancer, such a thesis is still implicit in the commonplace facts of his science. The classic experiments of Warburg on the respiratory pattern of cancers of various species and tissue origins reveal a high uniformity from tumor to tumor.1 Correlatively, the Coris find the lactic acid and sugar content of the various exhibitions of cancer to be highly uniform.2 and his co- workers report a pronounced degree of uniformity in the concentration of eight B vitamins in a great variety of animal and human tumors, regardless of the tissue of origin or the manner of their induction.3 on makes similar observations for vitamin C.4 The addition of various substrates to malignant tumors of various types yields highly uniform respiratory responses.5 Shack describes an almost complete uniformity in cytochrome oxidase content in a number of mouse tumors. 6 Greenstein finds that the presence of any exhibition of cancer uniformly results in a depression of the liver catalase. 7,8 Maver and Barrett describe substantial evidence for an immunological uniformity among malignant tumors.9 Greenstein reports an impressive degree of uniformity in enzyme concentration among malignant tissues, regardless of their means of induction, tissue of origin or species of origin. 10 Others describe a uniformly low content of such aerobic catealytic systems as cytochrome, succinic, and d-amino acid oxidases, cytochrome-c, catalase and flavin.11,12,13,14,15,16,17 Further phenomena of uniformity are observed in the elevated water and cholesterol content of malignant tumors as well as other primitive tissues.18,19 The induction by a single steroid carcinogen, such as methylcholanthrene, of malignant exhibitions as diverse as leukemia and malignant melanoma, attests to a basically uniform etiology. The uniformity of various exhibitions of cancer in respiratory properties, lactic acid production, vitamin content, enzyme content, action on a given substrate, effect on liver catalase, cytochrome oxidase content immunological properties, and many other characteristics is correlative to an uniformity of malignant tumors in the ability to metastasize, in their amenability to heterotransplantability, 21, 22 and in their autonomy, invasiveness and erosiveness. Indeed, there is no known basic property unique to any single exhibition of cancer---the only variation being a morphological one partially conditioned by admixed benign or somatic components. The degree in the uniformity of the factors described increases with the increasing malignancy with which the tumor is exhibited. Thus with an increasing degree of malignancy, all malignant exhibitions converge toward a common tissue type. For this reason the cells of the most malignant of all exhibitions of cancer should epitomize the properties of the malignant component in all other exhibitions of cancer. That this is the case, we shall observe in the pages that follow. SOURCE: THE UNITARIAN OR TROPHOBLASTIC THESIS OF CANCER by Ernst T. Krebs, Jr.,* Ernst T. Krebs, Sr.,** and H. Beard*** (Reprinted From the Medical Record, 163:149-174, July 1950) Grace Cross www.theroadlesstravelledby.com > > Dear Grace, > To say that cancer IS cancer IS cancer, is an attempt to reduce a very complex set of diseases into a very simplistic concept with a simple solution. It is in effect disregarding all the varied detail of the many forms of cancer. It is not a scientific way of looking at cancer. I suppose a very gross generalization about cancer may sometimes be appropriate; but not when it comes to advocating treatment options. > Normally I wouldn't respond to this kind of email, however, a person with cancer in a serious situation such as myself needs to use some critical thinking and analysis. I would think that most readers did not take your suggestion seriously. > Sorry to disagree with your belief. I'm not sure how you arrived at your theory. Is there some organization that advocates this theory along with selling a product? > DeLuca > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 Grace, Very interesting ! What you (Krebs) are saying is that all cancers are basically the same tissue as they become more malignant and less differentiated. The Krebs mentioned in the citation at the end of the paper is presumably the same Krebs who gave his name to the 'Kreb cycle' which is so fundamental to modern biology ? I am not a biologist (I wish I were - I am just a retired schoolteacher with a little physics in my background) but I can see the importance of the statement you quote. The implication is that there is a general 'method' that may be used to treat all cancers - if we only knew what it was ! DeLuca [JD] asserts and you respond [GC] :- [JD]> > To say that cancer IS cancer IS cancer, is an attempt to reduce a very complex set of diseases into a very simplistic concept with a simple solution. ..... Normally I wouldn't respond to this kind of email, however, a person with cancer in a serious situation such as myself needs to use some critical thinking and analysis. I would think that most readers did not take your suggestion seriously. [GC]> Sorry to disagree with your belief. I'm not sure how you arrived at your theory. Is there some organization that advocates this theory along with selling a product? My understanding that two extremes represented here is a reflection of the materialst (Krebs) versus the dialectical (wholistic) interpretation of disease process. The materialist is obviously right in his (her) description of the disease and of organic processes generally. No-one in their right mind is going to contradict Krebs on this count. On the other hand dialectic processes have emerged throughout history which provide an effective paradigm for disease treatment that have very little knowledge of actual biological processes. TCM had no knowledge of bacteria for example but it did find effective treatments for infection by treating individual 'weakness' and restoring healthful 'balance'. My take on the 'great divide' represented in the statements by yourself and JD is that all 'presenting cancer' may be eradicated by treatments which attach to inhibitory processes of the disease. [Namely, variations on the 'cut, burn and poison' theme - ideally we would like something 'clean' like CLT to do the job, but CLT has yet to be proven.] On the other side of the coin, all 'potential causes' may be neutralised by maintaining a strong healthy balance in the individual. Lifestyle, diet, exercise and 'tweaking the system' with tonic preparations to promote an effective immune system that will never allow cancer cells to thrive. The two approaches do not have to be mutually exclusive. Sammy. Re: Lung Cancer Dear EXCERPT: It is veritably impossible to find, among the hundreds of valid experimental contributions to our knowledge of cancer made during the past half century, an experimentally established datum that would controvert the thesis of the basic biological uniformity characterizing all exhibitions of cancer. THE CRITERIA OF UNIFORMITY To the experimentalist who does not overtly accept an unitarian thesis of cancer, such a thesis is still implicit in the commonplace facts of his science. The classic experiments of Warburg on the respiratory pattern of cancers of various species and tissue origins reveal a high uniformity from tumor to tumor.1 Correlatively, the Coris find the lactic acid and sugar content of the various exhibitions of cancer to be highly uniform.2 and his co- workers report a pronounced degree of uniformity in the concentration of eight B vitamins in a great variety of animal and human tumors, regardless of the tissue of origin or the manner of their induction.3 on makes similar observations for vitamin C.4 The addition of various substrates to malignant tumors of various types yields highly uniform respiratory responses.5 Shack describes an almost complete uniformity in cytochrome oxidase content in a number of mouse tumors. 6 Greenstein finds that the presence of any exhibition of cancer uniformly results in a depression of the liver catalase. 7,8 Maver and Barrett describe substantial evidence for an immunological uniformity among malignant tumors.9 Greenstein reports an impressive degree of uniformity in enzyme concentration among malignant tissues, regardless of their means of induction, tissue of origin or species of origin. 10 Others describe a uniformly low content of such aerobic catealytic systems as cytochrome, succinic, and d-amino acid oxidases, cytochrome-c, catalase and flavin.11,12,13,14,15,16,17 Further phenomena of uniformity are observed in the elevated water and cholesterol content of malignant tumors as well as other primitive tissues.18,19 The induction by a single steroid carcinogen, such as methylcholanthrene, of malignant exhibitions as diverse as leukemia and malignant melanoma, attests to a basically uniform etiology. The uniformity of various exhibitions of cancer in respiratory properties, lactic acid production, vitamin content, enzyme content, action on a given substrate, effect on liver catalase, cytochrome oxidase content immunological properties, and many other characteristics is correlative to an uniformity of malignant tumors in the ability to metastasize, in their amenability to heterotransplantability, 21, 22 and in their autonomy, invasiveness and erosiveness. Indeed, there is no known basic property unique to any single exhibition of cancer---the only variation being a morphological one partially conditioned by admixed benign or somatic components. The degree in the uniformity of the factors described increases with the increasing malignancy with which the tumor is exhibited. Thus with an increasing degree of malignancy, all malignant exhibitions converge toward a common tissue type. For this reason the cells of the most malignant of all exhibitions of cancer should epitomize the properties of the malignant component in all other exhibitions of cancer. That this is the case, we shall observe in the pages that follow. SOURCE: THE UNITARIAN OR TROPHOBLASTIC THESIS OF CANCER by Ernst T. Krebs, Jr.,* Ernst T. Krebs, Sr.,** and H. Beard*** (Reprinted From the Medical Record, 163:149-174, July 1950) Grace Cross www.theroadlesstravelledby.com > > Dear Grace, > To say that cancer IS cancer IS cancer, is an attempt to reduce a very complex set of diseases into a very simplistic concept with a simple solution. It is in effect disregarding all the varied detail of the many forms of cancer. It is not a scientific way of looking at cancer. I suppose a very gross generalization about cancer may sometimes be appropriate; but not when it comes to advocating treatment options. > Normally I wouldn't respond to this kind of email, however, a person with cancer in a serious situation such as myself needs to use some critical thinking and analysis. I would think that most readers did not take your suggestion seriously. > Sorry to disagree with your belief. I'm not sure how you arrived at your theory. Is there some organization that advocates this theory along with selling a product? > DeLuca > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 Grace, Very interesting ! What you (Krebs) are saying is that all cancers are basically the same tissue as they become more malignant and less differentiated. The Krebs mentioned in the citation at the end of the paper is presumably the same Krebs who gave his name to the 'Kreb cycle' which is so fundamental to modern biology ? I am not a biologist (I wish I were - I am just a retired schoolteacher with a little physics in my background) but I can see the importance of the statement you quote. The implication is that there is a general 'method' that may be used to treat all cancers - if we only knew what it was ! DeLuca [JD] asserts and you respond [GC] :- [JD]> > To say that cancer IS cancer IS cancer, is an attempt to reduce a very complex set of diseases into a very simplistic concept with a simple solution. ..... Normally I wouldn't respond to this kind of email, however, a person with cancer in a serious situation such as myself needs to use some critical thinking and analysis. I would think that most readers did not take your suggestion seriously. [GC]> Sorry to disagree with your belief. I'm not sure how you arrived at your theory. Is there some organization that advocates this theory along with selling a product? My understanding that two extremes represented here is a reflection of the materialst (Krebs) versus the dialectical (wholistic) interpretation of disease process. The materialist is obviously right in his (her) description of the disease and of organic processes generally. No-one in their right mind is going to contradict Krebs on this count. On the other hand dialectic processes have emerged throughout history which provide an effective paradigm for disease treatment that have very little knowledge of actual biological processes. TCM had no knowledge of bacteria for example but it did find effective treatments for infection by treating individual 'weakness' and restoring healthful 'balance'. My take on the 'great divide' represented in the statements by yourself and JD is that all 'presenting cancer' may be eradicated by treatments which attach to inhibitory processes of the disease. [Namely, variations on the 'cut, burn and poison' theme - ideally we would like something 'clean' like CLT to do the job, but CLT has yet to be proven.] On the other side of the coin, all 'potential causes' may be neutralised by maintaining a strong healthy balance in the individual. Lifestyle, diet, exercise and 'tweaking the system' with tonic preparations to promote an effective immune system that will never allow cancer cells to thrive. The two approaches do not have to be mutually exclusive. Sammy. Re: Lung Cancer Dear EXCERPT: It is veritably impossible to find, among the hundreds of valid experimental contributions to our knowledge of cancer made during the past half century, an experimentally established datum that would controvert the thesis of the basic biological uniformity characterizing all exhibitions of cancer. THE CRITERIA OF UNIFORMITY To the experimentalist who does not overtly accept an unitarian thesis of cancer, such a thesis is still implicit in the commonplace facts of his science. The classic experiments of Warburg on the respiratory pattern of cancers of various species and tissue origins reveal a high uniformity from tumor to tumor.1 Correlatively, the Coris find the lactic acid and sugar content of the various exhibitions of cancer to be highly uniform.2 and his co- workers report a pronounced degree of uniformity in the concentration of eight B vitamins in a great variety of animal and human tumors, regardless of the tissue of origin or the manner of their induction.3 on makes similar observations for vitamin C.4 The addition of various substrates to malignant tumors of various types yields highly uniform respiratory responses.5 Shack describes an almost complete uniformity in cytochrome oxidase content in a number of mouse tumors. 6 Greenstein finds that the presence of any exhibition of cancer uniformly results in a depression of the liver catalase. 7,8 Maver and Barrett describe substantial evidence for an immunological uniformity among malignant tumors.9 Greenstein reports an impressive degree of uniformity in enzyme concentration among malignant tissues, regardless of their means of induction, tissue of origin or species of origin. 10 Others describe a uniformly low content of such aerobic catealytic systems as cytochrome, succinic, and d-amino acid oxidases, cytochrome-c, catalase and flavin.11,12,13,14,15,16,17 Further phenomena of uniformity are observed in the elevated water and cholesterol content of malignant tumors as well as other primitive tissues.18,19 The induction by a single steroid carcinogen, such as methylcholanthrene, of malignant exhibitions as diverse as leukemia and malignant melanoma, attests to a basically uniform etiology. The uniformity of various exhibitions of cancer in respiratory properties, lactic acid production, vitamin content, enzyme content, action on a given substrate, effect on liver catalase, cytochrome oxidase content immunological properties, and many other characteristics is correlative to an uniformity of malignant tumors in the ability to metastasize, in their amenability to heterotransplantability, 21, 22 and in their autonomy, invasiveness and erosiveness. Indeed, there is no known basic property unique to any single exhibition of cancer---the only variation being a morphological one partially conditioned by admixed benign or somatic components. The degree in the uniformity of the factors described increases with the increasing malignancy with which the tumor is exhibited. Thus with an increasing degree of malignancy, all malignant exhibitions converge toward a common tissue type. For this reason the cells of the most malignant of all exhibitions of cancer should epitomize the properties of the malignant component in all other exhibitions of cancer. That this is the case, we shall observe in the pages that follow. SOURCE: THE UNITARIAN OR TROPHOBLASTIC THESIS OF CANCER by Ernst T. Krebs, Jr.,* Ernst T. Krebs, Sr.,** and H. Beard*** (Reprinted From the Medical Record, 163:149-174, July 1950) Grace Cross www.theroadlesstravelledby.com > > Dear Grace, > To say that cancer IS cancer IS cancer, is an attempt to reduce a very complex set of diseases into a very simplistic concept with a simple solution. It is in effect disregarding all the varied detail of the many forms of cancer. It is not a scientific way of looking at cancer. I suppose a very gross generalization about cancer may sometimes be appropriate; but not when it comes to advocating treatment options. > Normally I wouldn't respond to this kind of email, however, a person with cancer in a serious situation such as myself needs to use some critical thinking and analysis. I would think that most readers did not take your suggestion seriously. > Sorry to disagree with your belief. I'm not sure how you arrived at your theory. Is there some organization that advocates this theory along with selling a product? > DeLuca > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 Great Cliff, you are doing a great job. I must have all that in my saved department. lung cancer > Hi , > > What I sent was the " document " I talked about. I just have them set up so I > can copy and send withour rewriting. > > Cliff > > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 Great Cliff, you are doing a great job. I must have all that in my saved department. lung cancer > Hi , > > What I sent was the " document " I talked about. I just have them set up so I > can copy and send withour rewriting. > > Cliff > > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 Ralph: I am sorry your friend has lung cancer. Battling cancer is normally expensive and an 18-hour-a-day job. For this reason I am sending your message to others who might be willing to assist you. As much as I loathe the idea of chemotherapy, it is effective in treating some kinds of lung cancer and sometimes it is effective in prolonging life. However, a lifestyle and diet change that results in a clean, properly fed and watered body, will probably have a better result than chemotherapy. Remember that lifestyle and diet are what brought on the cancer, and unless the victim has been asleep for the past 30 years, the victim surely knows cancer could have been avoided with proper lifestyle and diet. If the victim would not change lifestyle and diet before getting sick, the victim is not likely to be willing to change now, particularly now that the victim is sick, run down, low on energy or ambition, and the process of becoming well again is so arduous and time-consuming. Also remember that most sick people do not have the energy or will to fight cancer as it needs to be fought. And, you should not forget that our lives here are short anyway, and we all have to go sometime. If the victim is advanced in years, the body may already be run down and nearing death from stroke, heart attack, diabetes, or other organ failure, all as a result of lifestyle. Dr Rubin's focus has been on prostate cancer, but his drug preparation, which costs about $1500, should be effective for other types of cancer, too. You might also consider hydrazine sulfate therapy for reversing the cachexia that results from tumor growth. And note that a cancer tumor is the body's way of saying " you are killing me, so I am going to create a new body that can survive the hostile environment you have made me live in " . You can focus on killing the cancer (it's akin to fighting terrorists), or you can focus on putting the body in a condition of health so it can get rid of the cancer without surgery, radiation, or chemotherapy. The only other beneficial thing the patient can do is to start immediately on a program of exercise, cleanses, and nutrition. 1. Exercise, get half an hour of direct sunshine, and drink lots (see step 3) of pure water daily. Why should this need an explanation? The victim must work out vigorously so as to breath heavily and sweat daily, and take hot/cold showers before and after the exercise. These will improve circulation and force the evacuation of toxins via the lungs, skin, kidneys, lymphatic system, and bowels. This exercise needs to be done regularly and routinely as a new part of the victim's lifestyle. 2. Cleanses and Detox - these are described on my web site http://www.cures for cancer.ws; you can see other info at http://healthfree.com; the idea is to clean the toxins out of the body, particularly the intestines, liver, kidneys, and blood (in that order). Typical steps are: stop smoking and start breathing clean, unpolluted air; do ozone treatments; do a series of upper colonics to clean the colon out. Do the cleansing programs regularly for intenstines, liver, kidney, blood, and skin. Get regular cold sheet treatments (hot soak-bath in cayenne pepper, followed by a period of intense sweating while wrapped in a cold wet sheet and blankets). Rebuild the bacteria colony in the small intestine with daily rations of intestional flora mixed with yogurt. Stay away from suppressive people and situations. These cleanses will remove parasites, impacted fecal matter, liver and kidney stones, and blood toxins. They need to be done regularly and routinely as a new part of the victim's lifestyle. 3. Nutrition - stop eating cooked animal flesh, processed foods, and sugar. Drink at least 1/oz of pure water per pound of body weight daily. Start eating fresh, raw, organic foode as the main part of the diet, including a garlic sandwich daily, and including the flax oil/ cottage cheese or yogurt formula established by Johanna Budwig. Increase calcium / magnesium consumption as at http://bobhurt.com/calmag.htm. Eat hot peppers, ellagic acid, cooked agaricus blazei murril mushrooms (or other potent source of beta glucans), echinacea, cat's claw, essiac tea, vitamin B17, megadoses of C and MSM, selenium, trace minerals, pancreatic enzyme supplements, and other blood cleaners and immune boosters locally available DAILY. 4. Prepare a poultice of crushed fresh garlic, slippery elm bark, and castor oil, and apply it for 3 to 5 hours every day or so over the area of the lungs where the tumor is located. 5. Visit http://cancure.org and http://altcancer.com and follow their advices. Bob Hurt lung cancer > Name: Ralph Samson > Email: samsonralph@... > Comments: Please send me more information on proved methods on how to treat lung > cancer without chemo-therapy.. > The person involved refuses to be treated convincible & #40;regular treatment & #41;.Her doctors have already spoken to Dr. Rubin of San Diago. > This messsage is a matter of life and death for her. > Ralph Samson > Israel > > This message was sent to you from: > > 81.5.10.247 > > Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) > Sun, Sep21, 2003 > 21:55 CDT > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 Ralph: I am sorry your friend has lung cancer. Battling cancer is normally expensive and an 18-hour-a-day job. For this reason I am sending your message to others who might be willing to assist you. As much as I loathe the idea of chemotherapy, it is effective in treating some kinds of lung cancer and sometimes it is effective in prolonging life. However, a lifestyle and diet change that results in a clean, properly fed and watered body, will probably have a better result than chemotherapy. Remember that lifestyle and diet are what brought on the cancer, and unless the victim has been asleep for the past 30 years, the victim surely knows cancer could have been avoided with proper lifestyle and diet. If the victim would not change lifestyle and diet before getting sick, the victim is not likely to be willing to change now, particularly now that the victim is sick, run down, low on energy or ambition, and the process of becoming well again is so arduous and time-consuming. Also remember that most sick people do not have the energy or will to fight cancer as it needs to be fought. And, you should not forget that our lives here are short anyway, and we all have to go sometime. If the victim is advanced in years, the body may already be run down and nearing death from stroke, heart attack, diabetes, or other organ failure, all as a result of lifestyle. Dr Rubin's focus has been on prostate cancer, but his drug preparation, which costs about $1500, should be effective for other types of cancer, too. You might also consider hydrazine sulfate therapy for reversing the cachexia that results from tumor growth. And note that a cancer tumor is the body's way of saying " you are killing me, so I am going to create a new body that can survive the hostile environment you have made me live in " . You can focus on killing the cancer (it's akin to fighting terrorists), or you can focus on putting the body in a condition of health so it can get rid of the cancer without surgery, radiation, or chemotherapy. The only other beneficial thing the patient can do is to start immediately on a program of exercise, cleanses, and nutrition. 1. Exercise, get half an hour of direct sunshine, and drink lots (see step 3) of pure water daily. Why should this need an explanation? The victim must work out vigorously so as to breath heavily and sweat daily, and take hot/cold showers before and after the exercise. These will improve circulation and force the evacuation of toxins via the lungs, skin, kidneys, lymphatic system, and bowels. This exercise needs to be done regularly and routinely as a new part of the victim's lifestyle. 2. Cleanses and Detox - these are described on my web site http://www.cures for cancer.ws; you can see other info at http://healthfree.com; the idea is to clean the toxins out of the body, particularly the intestines, liver, kidneys, and blood (in that order). Typical steps are: stop smoking and start breathing clean, unpolluted air; do ozone treatments; do a series of upper colonics to clean the colon out. Do the cleansing programs regularly for intenstines, liver, kidney, blood, and skin. Get regular cold sheet treatments (hot soak-bath in cayenne pepper, followed by a period of intense sweating while wrapped in a cold wet sheet and blankets). Rebuild the bacteria colony in the small intestine with daily rations of intestional flora mixed with yogurt. Stay away from suppressive people and situations. These cleanses will remove parasites, impacted fecal matter, liver and kidney stones, and blood toxins. They need to be done regularly and routinely as a new part of the victim's lifestyle. 3. Nutrition - stop eating cooked animal flesh, processed foods, and sugar. Drink at least 1/oz of pure water per pound of body weight daily. Start eating fresh, raw, organic foode as the main part of the diet, including a garlic sandwich daily, and including the flax oil/ cottage cheese or yogurt formula established by Johanna Budwig. Increase calcium / magnesium consumption as at http://bobhurt.com/calmag.htm. Eat hot peppers, ellagic acid, cooked agaricus blazei murril mushrooms (or other potent source of beta glucans), echinacea, cat's claw, essiac tea, vitamin B17, megadoses of C and MSM, selenium, trace minerals, pancreatic enzyme supplements, and other blood cleaners and immune boosters locally available DAILY. 4. Prepare a poultice of crushed fresh garlic, slippery elm bark, and castor oil, and apply it for 3 to 5 hours every day or so over the area of the lungs where the tumor is located. 5. Visit http://cancure.org and http://altcancer.com and follow their advices. Bob Hurt lung cancer > Name: Ralph Samson > Email: samsonralph@... > Comments: Please send me more information on proved methods on how to treat lung > cancer without chemo-therapy.. > The person involved refuses to be treated convincible & #40;regular treatment & #41;.Her doctors have already spoken to Dr. Rubin of San Diago. > This messsage is a matter of life and death for her. > Ralph Samson > Israel > > This message was sent to you from: > > 81.5.10.247 > > Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) > Sun, Sep21, 2003 > 21:55 CDT > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2004 Report Share Posted August 29, 2004 In a message dated 8/29/2004 8:22:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jetpostman@... writes: Just practice sungazing and between 6 and 9 months the lung cancer should be gone. Read all about it here http://www.newtreatments.org/sungazingsites Costanza .. ..>> What kind of cancer did you have that was cured with sungazing? How long have you been in remission? What are your cancer markers now? Inquiring minds want to know. mjh http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2004 Report Share Posted August 29, 2004 thank you kindly is there a special procedure for this sungazing like is it good for my ma'a lung cancer? thankx again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 > > I am knew to this group...my father was diagnosed w/lung cancer in > Jan. 2006...had 2/3 of his lung removed and two affected lymph nodes > in Feb. 2006. He developed pneumonia several times and got that c- > diff three or four times....which held up any treatments we could > choose. He had a CAT scan done last month, in which they have found > another tumor in the same lung as in Feb., severa lymph nodes and the > adrenals (above his kidney). He is weak, weighs a mere 108 pounds and > his doctor said 'there is no cure' for him,and the only option is > chemotherapy. I fear he might not be able to handle the chemo....does > anyone know of any new treatments or ideas that has been successful > for this advanced stage of cancer? > Hi Christy: The following site may be of help to you. http://www.cancerchoices.com/immune.htm http://www.oasisofhope.com/ I know what you are going through and I will pray for you and your father. I thought that you may be interested in the following. My mother in law died 6 yrs. ago from small cell lung cancer. It all started when her primary physician discovered a nodule in one of her lungs. After a biopsy (which I was against she do). She was told she had small cell lung cancer. This was Oct. of 1999. She was given massive dose's of chemotherapy to shrink this nodule that was 21/2 centimeters in circumference. She was not expected to live beyond the month of January of 2000. That is when I seized the opportunity to have her drink a natural malted drink used by athletes from a health food store where I would add cold-pressed flaxseed oil, cottage cheese, ground up apricot seeds, 500 Mg's of Vitamin B-17, Pancreatic Enzymes, shark cartilage and a high potency liquid Vitamin (which I had to convince my in-law did not contain folic acid (which it did) which keeps a heart healthy because her oncologist warned her not to take because it would interfere with his chemo treatments. She fought me every step of the way. One of her closest friend even yelled at me in public screaming " your not a doctor " because I did all I could to get her to go to the Oasis of Hope Hospital in Mexico but it was to no avail. Many of her family members dogged me each step of the way. It was a daily ritual that I had to go through before I could convince her to drink the malted. The month of January passed and she continued to go for her chemotherapy and every time she went she had to get a blood transfusion. In Oct. of 2001. She was unable to lift her head. A Cat scan revealed that there was a small tumor in a part of her brain that was causing the problem She was then given radiation treatments for the nodule in her lung and for this small tumor in her brain. Each time she went, She needed a blood transfusion. By St. 's day in March of that year 2001. She couldn't even move and needed to be put on oxygen. I knew the end was near when her bed sores would not heal. They reminded me of gaping wound's one would see on a battlefield. It was horrible. By Memorial Day of that year 2001. While she was being treated for her wounds in a hospital not affiliated with neither her primary physician or oncologist. She stopped breathing. The doctor's managed to get her breathing again and put her on oxygen. When I got to the hospital. My sister-in-law who (was so nervous) was attempting to answer some questions posed to her by their top pulmonary specialist and oncologist. Anyhow. I explained that she was diagnosed with small cell cancer etc. They were shocked to learn that she had small cell cancer. The only thing they saw on their Cat scan etc., and other tests was the nodule that had shrunken a bit. Nothing more. The cardiologist was shocked to hear the amount of blood transfusions given to her. When I asked him why? He said that they weaken the heart. When I asked the pulmonary specialist about the Cat scan etc. He told me that her lung should have been filled (like a patient my family got to know and died) with small cell cancer. When I asked both of them. Why she stopped breathing and why she was so weak. The response I got from them was that her immune system was shot and they were doing their best to revive it which they could not. 32 months later in late June of 2001. She was dead at the age of 69. Her last word's to my sister-in-law was: " I made a big mistake " That is: to listen to her friend, family members (who went against my advice) and her oncologist with his antiquated chemistry set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 I have a close relative who also was recently diagnosed with lung cancer. I would really appreciate it if you keep us posted in what seems to work. Thanks Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 If you have lung cancer and are not a former smoker, or were not exposed to smoke much in your daily life, why not investigate other causes cancer, such as nutritional deficiencies caused by a leaky gut or some sort of absorbtion problem. If you did not get much smoke exposure you might have a problem with gluten which depleted you of minerals and vitamins, or a food allergy problem which stressed your body's immune system. You seem to be getting things under control, it would be good to try and stop what caused all of this. MacG. From: baxrox <baxrox@...>iodine Sent: Sat, 4 June, 2011 19:13:49Subject: Re: lung cancer Also check out www.iodine4health.com using the search feature for "lung".Hopefully you are taking the full iodine protocol that includes companion supplements - they can be found in the New Member document which is located in the files and was sent to your email address when you joined the group. These companion supplements are essential when taking iodine. Also in the New Member document is a section on "How Much Iodine Should I Take?" which should be of interest to you.An excerpt from an article written by Dr. Brownstein:" Next, Dr. reviewed the scope of iodine deficiency and the consequences when we are not obtaining enough of this mineral. He presented information showing iodine functions as a strong antioxidant. Iodine was also shown to induce death in lung cancer cells." Source: http://www.vrp.com/test-kits/iodines-crucial-role-in-health-a-review-of-an-unforgettable-gathering-of-expertsAnd a link to Dr. 's 2006 article: http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller20.htmlWhich includes this statement: " Iodine also induces apoptosis, programmed cell death. This process is essential to growth and development (fingers form in the fetus by apoptosis of the tissue between them) and for destroying cells that represent a threat to the integrity of the organism, like cancer cells and cells infected with viruses. Human lung cancer cells with genes spliced into them that enhance iodine uptake and utilization undergo apoptosis and shrink when given iodine, both when grown in vitro outside the body and implanted in mice. Its anti-cancer function may well prove to be iodine's most important extrathyroidal benefit."Great to hear that you are finding yourself with stable and perhaps slight improvement!> > >> >> > Greetings all> > I've been given a Dx by a board certified pulmologist of lung cancer. He> > suggested I consult a thoracic surgeon. I declined and am now in the superb> > hands of a local hospice.> > Over many weeks I have taken about 1500 mg Iodoral and continue at present> > at 50 mg twice a day.> > My exercise tolerance is close to zero, due to dyspnea, but other facets> > seem stable or improving a hair.> > I'm surrounded by loving children, in-laws and grandbrats.> > Question - anyone with any experience using iodine for lung cancer?> > All input will be received with gratitude> > Regards> > Oupa> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 I wish to thank all of you who have helped me on and off line I cannot reply to each one. I am already practicing some of your suggestions and considering othersI have seen no convincing evidence that iodine saturation kills lung cancer cells. So am thinking of stopping the Lugols 25mg mornings and Iodoral 25 mg evenings My left lung has a massive pleural effusion and my right a partial.I continue to eat, and have only lost 1 1/2 lbsHospice has made morphine available to me but I dose rarely and find it constipatingRegards to all Oupa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 I just thought to add this tincture recipe. The lady who cleaned my house step father had stage 4 brain cancer and he has used the first recipe to stay alive for about 9-10 years now. It is the only thing he uses and his cancer was inoperable on discovery.  The new moon timing seems strange but is an absolute must for it to work. I asked some Hispanics in grocery store to help me find these types of peppers so I didn't know which was which. I know I passed the NAC and MSM helping fire fighters lungs backlist and also COPD but don't know if helps lung cancer. Best of luck to you.Pam This recipe must be made on new moon. It only works with that timing. This recipe was  used by Pam's friend-'s step father to stave off stage 4 brain cancer for over 5 years, so far. My first batch  several years ago went to 's step father because his own batch ran out so he needed it. I was happy to share. He relies totally on this as none of the other procedures or chemicals helped him. Pam  Recipe for jalapeno tincture  3 pounds jalapeno peppers-washed and stemmed 4 oz of Habanero peppers-washed and stemmed 1.75 liter of 40% vodka 1 gallon mayonaise jar with lid (which is available at most restaurants.)  On the new moon pour 2 cups of vodka into a kitchen blender, put on lid, turn on medium speed. Lift blender lid with your left hand and throw in one jalapeno pepper at a time, each time closing the lid. When the blender contents are at an applesauce consistency, stop the blender and pour contents into the gallon jar.  Start over -2 cups vodka- add hot peppers until gone. You should wind up with enough space left in the jar for the remainder of the vodka. Do not get the sauce on your hands- it burns and is difficult to wash off. Cover the gallon jar with 2 layers of saran wrap prior to placing the lid on the jar. Otherwise, the sauce will eat up the lid. Place the jar in a warm place (kitchen is best) and carefully turn upside down to right side up- once a day  Do this on the new moon. Any other time will be a waste of time and money on ingredients that will cause a bad batch of tincture that will not cure anything.  In 2 weeks - 14 days - the full moon- the fermentation process is complete. It takes about one week before you see changes in the sauce fermentation process- the last week- fermentation accelerates noticeably.  Strain the contents of the jar through a cheesecloth or fine strainer.  You do not need to get a clear liquid- just strain off all the large material.  Grinding the peppers in the blender real fine in the first place is best and more good stuff is available for working miracles.  The larger stuff left over is good to chase off moles and golphers- place in their holes or runways and they will leave immediately- one day usually. The hot sauce burns their noses, feet, etc. and they are out of there!  Pour the strained tincture back into the vodka bottle- your should have exactly one- half gallon, Label and date immediately.  The finished jalapeno tincture is ready to go to work for you- no refrigeration is required.  But keep it in the closed container.    http://www.thedoctorwhocurescancer.com/found/cancer-tincture.php  How To Make My Tincture To Cure Cancer 77 By Kelley Eidem It stops heart attacks, too. Chuck's prostate cancer disappeared. Rick's 10-inch tumor went away. Jack's advanced lung cancer cleared up. Don Imus's prostate cancer is getting better. Those are some of the successes my recipehas helped to bring about. I cured my own Stage IV cancer 11 years ago with the same " three ingredient " recipe. Part of my recipe came about as a result of what learned from the research I did for The Doctor Who Cures Cancer. So, what you've got here is almost like having the keys to the kingdom when it comes to better health. You can read more about my complete recipeon another one of my hub pages. To simplify things when I started sharing my recipe, I instructed people to grate the habaneros and garlic. Grating the herbs each and every day can be a challenge because the hot stuff gets on the fingers and is almost impossible to get it off. Quite naturally people end up touching their eyes or lips which can result in a painful experience. Today, I'd like to share with you a simple way to make a tincture, which simplies your efforts. Making a quick, easy tincture prevents getting the hot pepper and garlic oils in the eyes. It only takes a few minutes and can last 10 years without refrigeration. It is also plenty powerful.  HOW TO MAKE YOUR LIFESAVINGTINCTURE: Making an herbal tincture is really, really easy. You need three things to make the tincture:  Habaneros peppers, enough to fill your blender Garlic cloves, one or two bulbs Cheap vodka or brandy, or Apple Cider Vinegar with " the mother " (cloudy stuff at bottom) You'll also want to use plastic or rubber gloves. Remove stems from the peppers. Fill the blender with the peppers. Wear the gloves whenever you touch the peppers, or you'll be sorry! The oils will get into your fingers, which you probably won't like.  Peel all the garlic cloves and cut them lengthwise to see if there are any green sprouts within. The green sprouts can cause stomach upset. Remove the sprouts and throw them away. Then fill the blender abut 2/3 of the way to the top of the blender with equal parts vodka and filtered water. You could also use apple cider vinegar (ACV) in place of the alcohol and no water. Make sure the ACV has " the mother " in it, which is the cloudy stuff that settles to the bottle of the bottle. (If you choose to use ACV, I'd refrigerate it.) If you have type " O " blood, ACV might disagree with you. If it does disagree with you, I wouldn't use it.Run the blender for about 60 seconds until the peppers have been mushed (Mushed is a highly technical, medical term. You'll know mushed when you see it.) Pour the mixture into a dark GLASS bottle with a tight lid. Shake it every day for two weeks. Then it is ready to be strained. You can also start using the mixture immediately by using a tablespoon. Wearing gloves and using a clean tee shirt you don't want anymore, strain the mixture through it so that the liquid is caught in a bowl. Then twist the tee shirt to get more of the liquid into the bowl. Pour the filtered liquid back into the dark glass jar for safe keeping.I used 2-3 eyedroppers-full on my recipe each day.  Voila! You've just created a tincture that cured my cancer and others. It is also superb if someone is having a heart attack. Dr. Schulze famously saved a patient of his when he found the patient unconscious in his car with blue lips. Schulze kept putting eyedroppers-full into the patient's mouth until he regained consciousness!  You're invited to share this hub page with your loved ones and your buddies.   On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 12:39 PM, oupa gofar <oupa2000@...> wrote:  I wish to thank all of you who have helped me on and off line I cannot reply to each one. I am already practicing some of your suggestions and considering othersI have seen no convincing evidence that iodine saturation kills lung cancer cells. So am thinking of stopping the Lugols 25mg mornings and Iodoral 25 mg evenings My left lung has a massive pleural effusion and my right a partial.I continue to eat, and have only lost 1 1/2 lbsHospice has made morphine available to me but I dose rarely and find it constipatingRegards to all Oupa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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