Guest guest Posted January 3, 2002 Report Share Posted January 3, 2002 Dear , I am sorry it did not work out as well. Hovever, don't be discouraged by that in talking about it with others. The amount of time that your mother had it given to her was far too little for it to have had a chance to be effective. Normally it is about three months before the effects begin to become apparent. I was afraid of that at the time and it took time to get things lined up in Peru. If she could have had it three months earlier there might have been a chance. As you talk to others you can explain the need for time. Cliff Re: lung cancer >Dear Cliff, >Please, don't take it bad, but I was really hopeful the >flax/CC would help my mom. Maybe we used it too late, >but the thing is that we gave her between 2 and 4 >tbspoon for about 3 weeks, and you know which was the >final response. How i wish my mom had been another >successful case in flaxseed history, but it wasn't. >Anyway, I wish there would be better cases than my >mom's, because I would like to share this knowledgbe >with other cancer patients in Peru that may be helped >with this treatment, but they may not be so trustful >after I tell them that it wasn't a good treatment for >my mom. >God bless you all, >carlos > > > >Mensaje citado por: Cliff Beckwith <spinner@...>: > >> HI, >> >> The night before last I watched a TV program which, >among other things, >> showed diagrams of a person's lung and told about a >new method of detecting >> lung cancer at a very early stage and possibly making >treatment more >> effective. >> >> The speaker said that lung cancer was one of the >worst forms of cancer with >> only 8% survival. I imagine that he meant that 92% >of lung cancer patients >> would die from the lung cancer. >> >> The new method of detection would give hope for the >future and was quite >> newsworthy. >> >> From what we have seen so far in just the situations >of which I know the >> FO/CC approach is far more effective than that. In >fact, of the ones with >> which I am familiar so far there are none that did >not respond. >> >> One situation is in the balance. This is a fast >growing cancer that has >> had >> no standard treatment [the person involved did not >want that] and the use >> of >> flax oil has stopped the growth of the tumor but the >last I heard it had >> not >> disappeared. She will no more in February. There >has been definite >> response to the FO/CC but time will tell whether or >not it becomes >> complete. >> >> If this were the result of scientific research >through trials that were not >> primarily done with anticipation of future profits it >would be very >> newsworthy. >> >> Cliff >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2002 Report Share Posted January 24, 2002 I also am " overcoming " small-cell metastasized lung cancer. I was diagnosed last 8 Aug 01. And did aggressive radiation and cisplatin/VP16 anyway as per the AMA route but credit my " remission " to my alternative regime. I am using Beta1,3-D glucam from Transfer Point which I feel has the purest product, IP6, Inositol, High potency B complex and C, calcium by way of Tums. Tons of water, and green tea. I, bi-weekly, attend a two-hour session of sacral-cranial massage therapy combined with reconnective healing. Also, consider all the prayers that were said on my behalf had a major influence. I rebounded right away from the side effects of the chemo poisoning once I started rebuilding my immune system with these supplements. From the beginning, I asked my oncologist about using nutritional supplements and he told me I would only be throwing my money away and unfortunately I did not begin my therapy with them until just before my third session of chemo. I had been trusting my life and health care to that 'white coat medical god' who is out there (literally) " practicing " medicine instead of taking control of my own destiny as I should have from the very beginning. Now I am wondering if there is any other " proven " supplements that I should add. I keep reading that selenium should be in there. Any suggestions out there? I am having some severe side effects of inflammation from the radiation especially with a never ending spasmodic cough. I did have a non-removable stent implanted to open the airway the cancer had collapsed but it is totally set in place and not the cause of the cough. That was the first thing I had them go back re-check. Medical Dr. keeps trying doses of prednisone but does not seem to be much help. p.s.: back in August, " Mr. Dr. WhiteCoat " gave me 4 to 6 weeks, then had to extend it to 6 months and just choked when he had to say remission after two different CAT scans showed no evidence of disease anywhere and all tumors have resolved. Did my heart good!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2002 Report Share Posted January 24, 2002 Congratulations!!!!!!!!!! Bravo!!!!!!!!! Gerald --- Norman <stormn1@...> wrote: > I also am " overcoming " small-cell metastasized lung > cancer. I was diagnosed last 8 Aug 01. And did > aggressive radiation and cisplatin/VP16 anyway as > per the AMA route but credit my " remission " to my > alternative regime. > > I am using Beta1,3-D glucam from Transfer Point > which I feel has the purest product, IP6, Inositol, > High potency B complex and C, calcium by way of > Tums. > Tons of water, and green tea. I, bi-weekly, attend > a two-hour session of sacral-cranial massage therapy > combined with reconnective healing. Also, consider > all the prayers that were said on my behalf had a > major influence. I rebounded right away from the > side effects of the chemo poisoning once I started > rebuilding my immune system with these supplements. > > From the beginning, I asked my oncologist about > using nutritional supplements and he told me I would > only be throwing my money away and unfortunately I > did not begin my therapy with them until just before > my third session of chemo. I had been trusting my > life and health care to that 'white coat medical > god' who is out there (literally) " practicing " > medicine instead of taking control of my own destiny > as I should have from the very beginning. > Now I am wondering if there is any other " proven " > supplements that I should add. I keep reading that > selenium should be in there. Any suggestions out > there? I am having some severe side effects of > inflammation from the radiation especially with a > never ending spasmodic cough. I did have a > non-removable stent implanted to open the airway the > cancer had collapsed but it is totally set in place > and not the cause of the cough. That was the first > thing I had them go back re-check. > Medical Dr. keeps trying doses of prednisone but > does not seem to be much help. > p.s.: back in August, " Mr. Dr. WhiteCoat " gave me 4 > to 6 weeks, then had to extend it to 6 months and > just choked when he had to say remission after two > different CAT scans showed no evidence of disease > anywhere and all tumors have resolved. Did my heart > good!!!!!! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2002 Report Share Posted January 24, 2002 Actually its - Nora, Mrs. Norman. Re: re:lung cancer > > > Congratulations!!!!!!!!!! Bravo!!!!!!!!! > > Gerald > > > > --- Norman <stormn1@...> wrote: > > I also am " overcoming " small-cell metastasized lung > > cancer. I was diagnosed last 8 Aug 01. And did > > aggressive radiation and cisplatin/VP16 anyway as > > per the AMA route but credit my " remission " to my > > alternative regime. > > > > I am using Beta1,3-D glucam from Transfer Point > > which I feel has the purest product, IP6, Inositol, > > High potency B complex and C, calcium by way of > > Tums. > > Tons of water, and green tea. I, bi-weekly, attend > > a two-hour session of sacral-cranial massage therapy > > combined with reconnective healing. Also, consider > > all the prayers that were said on my behalf had a > > major influence. I rebounded right away from the > > side effects of the chemo poisoning once I started > > rebuilding my immune system with these supplements. > > > > From the beginning, I asked my oncologist about > > using nutritional supplements and he told me I would > > only be throwing my money away and unfortunately I > > did not begin my therapy with them until just before > > my third session of chemo. I had been trusting my > > life and health care to that 'white coat medical > > god' who is out there (literally) " practicing " > > medicine instead of taking control of my own destiny > > as I should have from the very beginning. > > Now I am wondering if there is any other " proven " > > supplements that I should add. I keep reading that > > selenium should be in there. Any suggestions out > > there? I am having some severe side effects of > > inflammation from the radiation especially with a > > never ending spasmodic cough. I did have a > > non-removable stent implanted to open the airway the > > cancer had collapsed but it is totally set in place > > and not the cause of the cough. That was the first > > thing I had them go back re-check. > > Medical Dr. keeps trying doses of prednisone but > > does not seem to be much help. > > p.s.: back in August, " Mr. Dr. WhiteCoat " gave me 4 > > to 6 weeks, then had to extend it to 6 months and > > just choked when he had to say remission after two > > different CAT scans showed no evidence of disease > > anywhere and all tumors have resolved. Did my heart > > good!!!!!! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 Nora, Boswellia Extract has been used to decrease swelling of the Brain in brain cancer patients it had a good recommendation from Kerry Bone,FNIMH ,FNHAA the herbalist who writes for Dr. ,MD in his newsletter. Nutrition & Healing. It probably works for other inflammations too. I came across a very interesting report of a more natural herbal supplement to accomplish this. In the study it was given beginning 7 days prior to surgery. I don't know if this would be a factor mitigating against its use after the operation, but it may be worth a try if you can ge an open minded oncologist. Or is that a contradiction in terms. I found a very good report on the use of Boswellia extract a dried extract of Boswellia serrata or Burseraceae plant also known as Indian Olibanum. It was given for 7 days prior to surgery for patients with malignant glioma. The dosage was 3600 mg/day of Boswellia extract standardized to 60% boswellic acids. Twelve patients participated in the study. Ten patients showed a decrease in fluid around the tumor, with an average reduction 30% in eight cases. Signs of brain damage decreased during the treatment and one patient became worse. Vomiting was a side effect in one patient. This application of Boswellia has been the subject of a world wide patent, so it may be expensive and/or difficult to obtain. The material was published in the Journal of Neurooncology,1996;30(2):39 in an article by Winkling M,Boeker DK and Simmet TH I found it in an article by Kerry Bone, an herbalist who wrote for Dr. V. 's newsletter Nutrition & Healing 4/99.. Boswellia extract has been shown in anticancer activity in some cell culture studies. Arnold Gore Consumers Health Freedom Coalition Re: re:lung cancer > > > > > > > > Congratulations!!!!!!!!!! Bravo!!!!!!!!! > > > > Gerald > > > > > > > > --- Norman <stormn1@...> wrote: > > > I also am " overcoming " small-cell metastasized lung > > > cancer. I was diagnosed last 8 Aug 01. And did > > > aggressive radiation and cisplatin/VP16 anyway as > > > per the AMA route but credit my " remission " to my > > > alternative regime. > > > > > > I am using Beta1,3-D glucam from Transfer Point > > > which I feel has the purest product, IP6, Inositol, > > > High potency B complex and C, calcium by way of > > > Tums. > > > Tons of water, and green tea. I, bi-weekly, attend > > > a two-hour session of sacral-cranial massage therapy > > > combined with reconnective healing. Also, consider > > > all the prayers that were said on my behalf had a > > > major influence. I rebounded right away from the > > > side effects of the chemo poisoning once I started > > > rebuilding my immune system with these supplements. > > > > > > From the beginning, I asked my oncologist about > > > using nutritional supplements and he told me I would > > > only be throwing my money away and unfortunately I > > > did not begin my therapy with them until just before > > > my third session of chemo. I had been trusting my > > > life and health care to that 'white coat medical > > > god' who is out there (literally) " practicing " > > > medicine instead of taking control of my own destiny > > > as I should have from the very beginning. > > > Now I am wondering if there is any other " proven " > > > supplements that I should add. I keep reading that > > > selenium should be in there. Any suggestions out > > > there? I am having some severe side effects of > > > inflammation from the radiation especially with a > > > never ending spasmodic cough. I did have a > > > non-removable stent implanted to open the airway the > > > cancer had collapsed but it is totally set in place > > > and not the cause of the cough. That was the first > > > thing I had them go back re-check. > > > Medical Dr. keeps trying doses of prednisone but > > > does not seem to be much help. > > > p.s.: back in August, " Mr. Dr. WhiteCoat " gave me 4 > > > to 6 weeks, then had to extend it to 6 months and > > > just choked when he had to say remission after two > > > different CAT scans showed no evidence of disease > > > anywhere and all tumors have resolved. Did my heart > > > good!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2002 Report Share Posted January 27, 2002 <cures for cancer > From: " Norman " <stormn1@...> Date sent: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:56:56 -0500 Subject: re:lung cancer Send reply to: cures for cancer > I also am " overcoming " small-cell metastasized lung cancer. I was > diagnosed last 8 Aug 01. And did aggressive radiation and cisplatin/VP16 > anyway as per the AMA route but credit my " remission " to my alternative > regime. Hi, I am pleased to hear that you have survived the Lung Cancer. My neighbour did exactly what you are doing and survived also, from stage 4 L.C (10 tumors) to zero tumors in just 7 months. But she also took L-selenomethionine, Spirulina and vitamin E. The L-selenomethionine and vitamin E are synergistic together. She also took the Flax Oil, low fat cottage cheese combination. Selenium yeast is an organic form of selenium. My neighbour also got that cough even after all the tumors were gone, but it gradually disappeared altogether, after a month or two, while continuing on the supplements. I am pleased you took responsibility for your own health and did not leave it all to the doctors whim. I am also pleased the doctor was shocked by your recovery. One thing about my neighbour was that after the chemo, she began to look really sickly. She had stopped juicing as she did not like having to make juices. But then she began back on the daily juices and she began to look better, more color in the face, and seem better with more energy. She has a Samson 80 RPM juicer and did the pineapple, carrot, apple, papaya diet with no meat. Enzymes have already been shown to help remove mucous in the lungs from pneumonia in clinical trials. Enzymes are in the juices. In my opinion (not a medical opinion) it is important to take some beta glucan daily for about six to 12 months. Then perhaps every two or three days, for several years to come. If it were me I would reduce the daily amount to 100 to 500 mg daily with extra vitamin C. Certain mushrooms and tomatoes can be used in cooking also. Flax OIl might help with inflammation. best wishes, moonbeam > I am using Beta1,3-D glucam from Transfer Point which I feel has the > purest product, IP6, Inositol, High potency B complex and C, calcium by > way of Tums. Tons of water, and green tea. I, bi-weekly, attend a > two-hour session of sacral-cranial massage therapy combined with > reconnective healing. Also, consider all the prayers that were said on my > behalf had a major influence. I rebounded right away from the side > effects of the chemo poisoning once I started rebuilding my immune system > with these supplements. >From the beginning, I asked my oncologist about > using nutritional supplements and he told me I would only be throwing my > money away and unfortunately I did not begin my therapy with them until > just before my third session of chemo. I had been trusting my life and > health care to that 'white coat medical god' who is out there (literally) > " practicing " medicine instead of taking control of my own destiny as I > should have from the very beginning. Now I am wondering if there is any > other " proven " supplements that I should add. I keep reading that > selenium should be in there. Any suggestions out there? I am having some > severe side effects of inflammation from the radiation especially with a > never ending spasmodic cough. I did have a non-removable stent implanted > to open the airway the cancer had collapsed but it is totally set in place > and not the cause of the cough. That was the first thing I had them go > back re-check. Medical Dr. keeps trying doses of prednisone but does not > seem to be much help. p.s.: back in August, " Mr. Dr. WhiteCoat " gave me 4 > to 6 weeks, then had to extend it to 6 months and just choked when he had > to say remission after two different CAT scans showed no evidence of > disease anywhere and all tumors have resolved. Did my heart good!!!!!! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2003 Report Share Posted February 22, 2003 I have NSCLC and would like to join your group. Bev. C. stage IV NSCLC Lung Cancer > If anyone out there has lung cancer or who knows someone who does and > is interested in talking to a group of us in the same situation, please email > me. We still participate in the cures for cancer list but as we all know, all > cancers are not the same and the different treatments that are out there have > different results according the the cancer it is treating. Also, if anyone > out there has been treated with CLT PLEASE email me and let me know what the > results were. > Thank you everyone. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2003 Report Share Posted February 22, 2003 I have NSCLC and would like to join your group. Bev. C. stage IV NSCLC Lung Cancer > If anyone out there has lung cancer or who knows someone who does and > is interested in talking to a group of us in the same situation, please email > me. We still participate in the cures for cancer list but as we all know, all > cancers are not the same and the different treatments that are out there have > different results according the the cancer it is treating. Also, if anyone > out there has been treated with CLT PLEASE email me and let me know what the > results were. > Thank you everyone. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2003 Report Share Posted February 22, 2003 I was diagnosed with non-small cell lung cancer in Sept, 2001 and what a journey this has been! I was given 9-12 months to live. I've outlived that odd and am continuously getting better. My doctor can't seem to believe it and is like a child at Christmas with excitement every time I go in for a CT. I hate how the doctors, techs, and all others involved in the medical field treated me like I was on my deathbed. I could have a prescription for just about anything I asked for and even offered more. The first thing I was put on (besides chemo) was morphine. I grew up with a prescription drug addict and hate the idea of taking drugs, but the pain of the pleural effusion was so intense, I was at the point of doing whatever it took. I think that morphine is a cancer patient's worst enemy. I didn't realize how much it made me not care until I got off the stuff (after about 5 thoracentisis, the fluid was finally gone enough to relieve the pain), I started caring again and was determined to prove doctors wrong. After going through chemo and radiation and suffering from severe toxic effects, when the doctor told me that my tumor was growing again, I informed him that I would have to think about doing chemo again, because I wasn't sure that death wasn't better than chemo. I was fortunate enough to have a doctor that took the time out to find a clinical study to put me in. I have been taking a pill called IRISSA and it seems to have not only stopped the cancer's progression, but is actually regressing its growth. AND with hardly any side effects. I have also changed my diet - cut out a lot of sugar, cut down on packaged foods and hit the supplements hard. The IRISSA is a man-made drug, which I have mixed feelings about, . . .BUT it seems to be working. It was designed specifically for NSCLC. I've spent countless hours on the net looking up alternative treatments on the net and now wish I would've known about some of them before I was diagnosed. There's a good possibility that I never would've done the chemo treatments. I never question why GOD made this happen to me - I'm sure there's a reason and hopefully I can make a difference in something. I'm not sure what yet. I only know that I feel lucky and blessed and am thankful for every day, especially when I go to the doctor and continuously get good news. If you have anymore questions, I'll be happy to answer them. TO ALL CANCER VICTIMS AND THEIR LOVED ONES : I continually pray for you. I understand the anxiety we go through every time we have an up-coming doctor's appointment. But, the word CANCER does not have to be associated with DEATH, and we have to prove that to the conventional doctors who have seen so many people die, that they (the doctors) seem to have that frame of mind and it comes across to patients, even though its probably not intentional. I would love to see doctors give patients a little more hope than they do. Another thing I've been told all along is that IF I get rid of the cancer, that it WILL come back. They don't paint a pretty picture, do they? Lung Cancer > If anyone out there has lung cancer or who knows someone who does and > is interested in talking to a group of us in the same situation, please email > me. We still participate in the cures for cancer list but as we all know, all > cancers are not the same and the different treatments that are out there have > different results according the the cancer it is treating. Also, if anyone > out there has been treated with CLT PLEASE email me and let me know what the > results were. > Thank you everyone. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2003 Report Share Posted February 22, 2003 I was diagnosed with non-small cell lung cancer in Sept, 2001 and what a journey this has been! I was given 9-12 months to live. I've outlived that odd and am continuously getting better. My doctor can't seem to believe it and is like a child at Christmas with excitement every time I go in for a CT. I hate how the doctors, techs, and all others involved in the medical field treated me like I was on my deathbed. I could have a prescription for just about anything I asked for and even offered more. The first thing I was put on (besides chemo) was morphine. I grew up with a prescription drug addict and hate the idea of taking drugs, but the pain of the pleural effusion was so intense, I was at the point of doing whatever it took. I think that morphine is a cancer patient's worst enemy. I didn't realize how much it made me not care until I got off the stuff (after about 5 thoracentisis, the fluid was finally gone enough to relieve the pain), I started caring again and was determined to prove doctors wrong. After going through chemo and radiation and suffering from severe toxic effects, when the doctor told me that my tumor was growing again, I informed him that I would have to think about doing chemo again, because I wasn't sure that death wasn't better than chemo. I was fortunate enough to have a doctor that took the time out to find a clinical study to put me in. I have been taking a pill called IRISSA and it seems to have not only stopped the cancer's progression, but is actually regressing its growth. AND with hardly any side effects. I have also changed my diet - cut out a lot of sugar, cut down on packaged foods and hit the supplements hard. The IRISSA is a man-made drug, which I have mixed feelings about, . . .BUT it seems to be working. It was designed specifically for NSCLC. I've spent countless hours on the net looking up alternative treatments on the net and now wish I would've known about some of them before I was diagnosed. There's a good possibility that I never would've done the chemo treatments. I never question why GOD made this happen to me - I'm sure there's a reason and hopefully I can make a difference in something. I'm not sure what yet. I only know that I feel lucky and blessed and am thankful for every day, especially when I go to the doctor and continuously get good news. If you have anymore questions, I'll be happy to answer them. TO ALL CANCER VICTIMS AND THEIR LOVED ONES : I continually pray for you. I understand the anxiety we go through every time we have an up-coming doctor's appointment. But, the word CANCER does not have to be associated with DEATH, and we have to prove that to the conventional doctors who have seen so many people die, that they (the doctors) seem to have that frame of mind and it comes across to patients, even though its probably not intentional. I would love to see doctors give patients a little more hope than they do. Another thing I've been told all along is that IF I get rid of the cancer, that it WILL come back. They don't paint a pretty picture, do they? Lung Cancer > If anyone out there has lung cancer or who knows someone who does and > is interested in talking to a group of us in the same situation, please email > me. We still participate in the cures for cancer list but as we all know, all > cancers are not the same and the different treatments that are out there have > different results according the the cancer it is treating. Also, if anyone > out there has been treated with CLT PLEASE email me and let me know what the > results were. > Thank you everyone. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 I'm sorry, , but I must beg to differ. Cancer is cancer is cancer is cancer. It matters not where it manifests. All cancer IS the same. Cancer (neoplastic) cells are all trophoblasts. Trophoblasts are the most primitive cell in the cellular life cycle. Unlike normal body (somatic) cells, trophoblasts contain almost no oxygen and no Rhodanese, an enzyme produced by the pancreas. This makes them uniquely vulnerable to nitrilosides, a class of elements found in grasses, grains and bitter seeds of fruits. A key nitriloside, Amygdalen, is superbly designed to destroy cancer in every form. $0.02 Grace Cross *Amygdalen (Vitamin B17): Nature's Perfect Cancer Cure " www.theroadlesstravelledby.com On 22 Feb 2003 15:53:08 -0000 cures for cancer writes: > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:07:44 EST > From: luvmygop@... > Subject: Lung Cancer > > If anyone out there has lung cancer or who knows someone who > does and > is interested in talking to a group of us in the same situation, > please email > me. We still participate in the cures for cancer list but as we all > know, all > cancers are not the same and the different treatments that are out > there have > different results according the the cancer it is treating. Also, > if anyone > out there has been treated with CLT PLEASE email me and let me know > what the > results were. > Thank you everyone. > > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 I'm sorry, , but I must beg to differ. Cancer is cancer is cancer is cancer. It matters not where it manifests. All cancer IS the same. Cancer (neoplastic) cells are all trophoblasts. Trophoblasts are the most primitive cell in the cellular life cycle. Unlike normal body (somatic) cells, trophoblasts contain almost no oxygen and no Rhodanese, an enzyme produced by the pancreas. This makes them uniquely vulnerable to nitrilosides, a class of elements found in grasses, grains and bitter seeds of fruits. A key nitriloside, Amygdalen, is superbly designed to destroy cancer in every form. $0.02 Grace Cross *Amygdalen (Vitamin B17): Nature's Perfect Cancer Cure " www.theroadlesstravelledby.com On 22 Feb 2003 15:53:08 -0000 cures for cancer writes: > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:07:44 EST > From: luvmygop@... > Subject: Lung Cancer > > If anyone out there has lung cancer or who knows someone who > does and > is interested in talking to a group of us in the same situation, > please email > me. We still participate in the cures for cancer list but as we all > know, all > cancers are not the same and the different treatments that are out > there have > different results according the the cancer it is treating. Also, > if anyone > out there has been treated with CLT PLEASE email me and let me know > what the > results were. > Thank you everyone. > > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 Dear Grace, To say that cancer IS cancer IS cancer, is an attempt to reduce a very complex set of diseases into a very simplistic concept with a simple solution. It is in effect disregarding all the varied detail of the many forms of cancer. It is not a scientific way of looking at cancer. I suppose a very gross generalization about cancer may sometimes be appropriate; but not when it comes to advocating treatment options. Normally I wouldn't respond to this kind of email, however, a person with cancer in a serious situation such as myself needs to use some critical thinking and analysis. I would think that most readers did not take your suggestion seriously. Sorry to disagree with your belief. I'm not sure how you arrived at your theory. Is there some organization that advocates this theory along with selling a product? DeLuca Grace E Cross <lythande6@...> wrote:I'm sorry, , but I must beg to differ. Cancer is cancer is cancer is cancer. It matters not where it manifests. All cancer IS the same. Cancer (neoplastic) cells are all trophoblasts. Trophoblasts are the most primitive cell in the cellular life cycle. Unlike normal body (somatic) cells, trophoblasts contain almost no oxygen and no Rhodanese, an enzyme produced by the pancreas. This makes them uniquely vulnerable to nitrilosides, a class of elements found in grasses, grains and bitter seeds of fruits. A key nitriloside, Amygdalen, is superbly designed to destroy cancer in every form. $0.02 Grace Cross *Amygdalen (Vitamin B17): Nature's Perfect Cancer Cure " www.theroadlesstravelledby.com On 22 Feb 2003 15:53:08 -0000 cures for cancer writes: > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:07:44 EST > From: luvmygop@... > Subject: Lung Cancer > > If anyone out there has lung cancer or who knows someone who > does and > is interested in talking to a group of us in the same situation, > please email > me. We still participate in the cures for cancer list but as we all > know, all > cancers are not the same and the different treatments that are out > there have > different results according the the cancer it is treating. Also, > if anyone > out there has been treated with CLT PLEASE email me and let me know > what the > results were. > Thank you everyone. > > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 Dear Grace, To say that cancer IS cancer IS cancer, is an attempt to reduce a very complex set of diseases into a very simplistic concept with a simple solution. It is in effect disregarding all the varied detail of the many forms of cancer. It is not a scientific way of looking at cancer. I suppose a very gross generalization about cancer may sometimes be appropriate; but not when it comes to advocating treatment options. Normally I wouldn't respond to this kind of email, however, a person with cancer in a serious situation such as myself needs to use some critical thinking and analysis. I would think that most readers did not take your suggestion seriously. Sorry to disagree with your belief. I'm not sure how you arrived at your theory. Is there some organization that advocates this theory along with selling a product? DeLuca Grace E Cross <lythande6@...> wrote:I'm sorry, , but I must beg to differ. Cancer is cancer is cancer is cancer. It matters not where it manifests. All cancer IS the same. Cancer (neoplastic) cells are all trophoblasts. Trophoblasts are the most primitive cell in the cellular life cycle. Unlike normal body (somatic) cells, trophoblasts contain almost no oxygen and no Rhodanese, an enzyme produced by the pancreas. This makes them uniquely vulnerable to nitrilosides, a class of elements found in grasses, grains and bitter seeds of fruits. A key nitriloside, Amygdalen, is superbly designed to destroy cancer in every form. $0.02 Grace Cross *Amygdalen (Vitamin B17): Nature's Perfect Cancer Cure " www.theroadlesstravelledby.com On 22 Feb 2003 15:53:08 -0000 cures for cancer writes: > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:07:44 EST > From: luvmygop@... > Subject: Lung Cancer > > If anyone out there has lung cancer or who knows someone who > does and > is interested in talking to a group of us in the same situation, > please email > me. We still participate in the cures for cancer list but as we all > know, all > cancers are not the same and the different treatments that are out > there have > different results according the the cancer it is treating. Also, > if anyone > out there has been treated with CLT PLEASE email me and let me know > what the > results were. > Thank you everyone. > > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 , I am not a doctor, much less an oncologist, but I agree with Grace...generally speaking... From what I have read, and come to believe, the various names of cancer are given primarily according to location. Thus you have lung cancer, breast cancer, colon cancer, etc. And, of course, there are many different kinds of cells at those locations, so it gets more specific and complicated than that. (So we can have lots of " names " for cancer as a result.) However, if one subscribes to the viral/microorganism theory of cancer, the idea of " cancer being cancer " is somewhat clearer. In other words, if a microorganism penetrating a cell, proliferating within that cell, then causing it to divide (along with millions of " new " microorganisms), a chain reaction has begun that we call " cancer " - uncontrolled cell growth. Treatment, with this viewpoint in mind, would be to rid oneself of the microorganism instead of the cell. In other words, get rid of the fleas, not the dog. I think Royal Rife was right on track with his approach to cancer - he isolated a virus(as he called it) and set out to destroy it. In this instance, his " BX " virus was the cause of the cancer, no matter where it was located or called. Hence, I think he would agree with Grace as well is saying that " cancer is cancer " . Just my thoughts on the matter; I think only time will tell.... Best regards, Bob Lung Cancer > > > > If anyone out there has lung cancer or who knows someone who > > does and > > is interested in talking to a group of us in the same situation, > > please email > > me. We still participate in the cures for cancer list but as we all > > know, all > > cancers are not the same and the different treatments that are out > > there have > > different results according the the cancer it is treating. Also, > > if anyone > > out there has been treated with CLT PLEASE email me and let me know > > what the > > results were. > > Thank you everyone. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 , I am not a doctor, much less an oncologist, but I agree with Grace...generally speaking... From what I have read, and come to believe, the various names of cancer are given primarily according to location. Thus you have lung cancer, breast cancer, colon cancer, etc. And, of course, there are many different kinds of cells at those locations, so it gets more specific and complicated than that. (So we can have lots of " names " for cancer as a result.) However, if one subscribes to the viral/microorganism theory of cancer, the idea of " cancer being cancer " is somewhat clearer. In other words, if a microorganism penetrating a cell, proliferating within that cell, then causing it to divide (along with millions of " new " microorganisms), a chain reaction has begun that we call " cancer " - uncontrolled cell growth. Treatment, with this viewpoint in mind, would be to rid oneself of the microorganism instead of the cell. In other words, get rid of the fleas, not the dog. I think Royal Rife was right on track with his approach to cancer - he isolated a virus(as he called it) and set out to destroy it. In this instance, his " BX " virus was the cause of the cancer, no matter where it was located or called. Hence, I think he would agree with Grace as well is saying that " cancer is cancer " . Just my thoughts on the matter; I think only time will tell.... Best regards, Bob Lung Cancer > > > > If anyone out there has lung cancer or who knows someone who > > does and > > is interested in talking to a group of us in the same situation, > > please email > > me. We still participate in the cures for cancer list but as we all > > know, all > > cancers are not the same and the different treatments that are out > > there have > > different results according the the cancer it is treating. Also, > > if anyone > > out there has been treated with CLT PLEASE email me and let me know > > what the > > results were. > > Thank you everyone. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 Grace, Each cancer is unique in its surface antigens, and levels of aggressiveness. For example, cancers with RAS mutations (genetic mutations) have been shown to respond to cholesterol lowering drugs, while these drugs have absolutely no effect on ther cancers. Soy has been effective in cancers that have a mutated p53 tumor suppressor gene, meaning that if your cancer does not have that gene, Soy will not have that specific effect. These are just a few molecular differences among different cancer cells that show how some cancers respond to certain treatments while others don't. When you are fighting cancer, there are six different fronts in which you can attack. Inhibiting blood vessel formation (angiogenesis inhibitors) is one, preventing cell proliferation (preventing cells from dividing) is the second, boosting the immune system (increasing natural killer cells) is the third, administering drugs that are directly cytotoxic (chemotherapy or intravenous high dose Vitamin C that directly kills the cells) is the fourth, administering aptotic drugs (telling the cancer cells to commit suicide) is the fifth, and finally cell differentiating therapy (turning the cells into less aggressive normal behaving cells). When you decide to attack the cancer through a method like angiogenesis, it does in fact work with many different types of cancers (although even with this method, it has been shown that some tumors depending on the cancer have been able to get around this treatment by creating its own parasitic blood vessels). However, when you try to treat cancer through a method like cell proliferation, treatments depend entirely on the type of cancer you are dealing with because different cancers cells divide at entirely different rates. Everyone can try to boost their own immune system with herbs and vitamins, but not everyone can get their cells to stop dividing in the same way, or trigger the cells to commit suicide using the same approach. Therefore, when I suggested that those with lung cancer should contact me so that we can share more specified information, I suggested it because I know that some treatments simply do not work and may even worsen the disease for some, while the same treatment may cure others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 Grace, Each cancer is unique in its surface antigens, and levels of aggressiveness. For example, cancers with RAS mutations (genetic mutations) have been shown to respond to cholesterol lowering drugs, while these drugs have absolutely no effect on ther cancers. Soy has been effective in cancers that have a mutated p53 tumor suppressor gene, meaning that if your cancer does not have that gene, Soy will not have that specific effect. These are just a few molecular differences among different cancer cells that show how some cancers respond to certain treatments while others don't. When you are fighting cancer, there are six different fronts in which you can attack. Inhibiting blood vessel formation (angiogenesis inhibitors) is one, preventing cell proliferation (preventing cells from dividing) is the second, boosting the immune system (increasing natural killer cells) is the third, administering drugs that are directly cytotoxic (chemotherapy or intravenous high dose Vitamin C that directly kills the cells) is the fourth, administering aptotic drugs (telling the cancer cells to commit suicide) is the fifth, and finally cell differentiating therapy (turning the cells into less aggressive normal behaving cells). When you decide to attack the cancer through a method like angiogenesis, it does in fact work with many different types of cancers (although even with this method, it has been shown that some tumors depending on the cancer have been able to get around this treatment by creating its own parasitic blood vessels). However, when you try to treat cancer through a method like cell proliferation, treatments depend entirely on the type of cancer you are dealing with because different cancers cells divide at entirely different rates. Everyone can try to boost their own immune system with herbs and vitamins, but not everyone can get their cells to stop dividing in the same way, or trigger the cells to commit suicide using the same approach. Therefore, when I suggested that those with lung cancer should contact me so that we can share more specified information, I suggested it because I know that some treatments simply do not work and may even worsen the disease for some, while the same treatment may cure others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 Cliff I certainly believe in the Budwig diet, my mother in law is currently on it. It is part of just one area in which we are fighting the cancer. It falls under building the immune system and enabling the body to join in the fight. (I would caution though that if memory serves me right, recent studies posted on this list caution the use of flaxseed oil with prostate cancer. Because I am not dealing with this particular form of cancer I cannot say whether I believe these studies are valid or not but it should give pause to those who have prostate cancer and are looking to go on the diet. They should do the research themselves and decide if these studies are valid just to be on the safe side. I apologize if my information is wrong, I'm going with my memory on the posts I have seen just recently). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 Cliff I certainly believe in the Budwig diet, my mother in law is currently on it. It is part of just one area in which we are fighting the cancer. It falls under building the immune system and enabling the body to join in the fight. (I would caution though that if memory serves me right, recent studies posted on this list caution the use of flaxseed oil with prostate cancer. Because I am not dealing with this particular form of cancer I cannot say whether I believe these studies are valid or not but it should give pause to those who have prostate cancer and are looking to go on the diet. They should do the research themselves and decide if these studies are valid just to be on the safe side. I apologize if my information is wrong, I'm going with my memory on the posts I have seen just recently). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 Cliff I am stage IV NSCLC and have been taking cc and flaxseed oil (4 T.) daily for nine months. Yesterday I got severe chest pains and doubled my dose and today ate it all in one sitting and the pains are gone. I still have my cancer but it is stable. I wouldn't think of not taking cc and flax every day. Bev. C. You can't do anything about the length of your life but you can do something about its width and depth. lung cancer > Hi, > > permit me to suggest that there may be another way to fight lung cancer; and > in fact, any cancer. > > Some examples are given below. So far there have been no situation with > lung cancer that has not been taken care of where the one with the cancer > stayed with it. > > This approach has not been tested offically and never will be. It is too > cheap. > > While there are many different strains of any type of cancer, this approach > has been successful with any kind of cancer when used as Dr. Budwig has > directed. We have seen it to be used very successfully even when that was > added to any diet and the sources of Omega 6 eliminated as much as possible. > > Cliff > *************** > > > > LUNG CANCER > > I am going to set up a document with accounts of lung cancer of which we > have known. > > ************************* > Hi > > Saturday Aug 19, 2000 I had a call from Casper, WY, that was exciting. > > The caller told me that in march, 2000 he was diagnosed with a serious > cancer in his right lung and told that he did not have more than 1 to 3 > months to live. > > He was given chemo and couldn't stand it. He was put on hospice with > morphine patches in case the pain got too great. He was 73 and had just > about decided to go to the hospital and die. > > At this point a rancher friend who had gotten a tape on Flaxseed Oil at a > Bible conference heard about his situation and gave it to him. > > He told me he listened to the tape and fell in love with what he heard and > imediately began to use 6 tablespoons of flaxseed oil and cottage cheese a > day. > > He said it " kicked in " right away, though usually it does not work quite > that quickly. > > He had an appointment with the Oncologist before long and the doctor took X > rays. The caller said he came out of the lab soon with a puzzled look on > his face and asked him what, if anything, he had been doing. > He told the doctor he had been using flaxseed oil. > > The doctor said that the tumor he had in his right lung had not changed, > but > the tumor in his left lung, about which he had not told him, had completely > disappeared without a trace. > > He gave the doctor a tape and told me that the doctor and nurses were > making > tapes and distributing them. > > The caller said he was feeling good, continuing on the flaxseed oil and > getting along well and seemed quite excited; as I was to hear it. > > We are praising The Lord for His provision. > > " Cliff > > ************************** > > About three years ago I was in my doctor's waiting room when a couple came > in. I spoke to them briefly. > > That night the lady called and told me that her husband was a retired > college professor, 73, who had an 85% involvement with cancer in his left > lung. > > The decision had been made to remove the lung at the Cancer center > in Knoxville, Tn. > > When the attempt was made it was determined that the cancer had spread > further and they simply closed up and decided to use radiation and chemo. > > The radiation had been done with no apparent results and he and his wife > decided that rather than go through the misery of chemo they would just > live as long as possible and forget it. > > Thje Oncologist did not argue with that. She suggested that they come to > Rutledge and get flax oil and get started with four to eight tablespoons a > day with cottage cheese. > > They decided on 6 and got two quarts and then got their own after that. > > Three months later I was in again and asked if she had seen him again. She > had seen him the previous week. The cancer was still there but he was > holding his own. > > I remembered him about a year and a half later and she said that he had > died, but that he did not die of cancer. He was not a very active person > and died of a blood clot that moved to his heart. > > *********************** > > A lady about 73 lived two houses down from us. She was a frail person and > a > smoker. > The doctors found a tumor about the size of a quarter on the lower part of > her right lung and immediately urged an operation to remove half of the > lung. > > She was afraid she could not stand the operation and her grandson who knew > us well urged her to go on Flax Oil. I talked to her as well. > She did but did not use it as she should have. Nevertheless there was no > further growth of the tumor and I thought all was well. > > About two years later I heard that she had died. Her grandson told me that > on later checkups there was no growth of the cancer but the doctor kept > urging an operation. The daughter that lived one door down did not want > her > to do it but she had five other children and they persuaded her to go along > wit h the doctor's advice. > > She did not make it off the operating table. The grandson did not feel > kindly toward his aunts and uncles but rationalized that it was his Mamaw's > time to go. > > **************************** > > About 6 years ago a friend of ours had a cousin who was a veteran of WW II. > He had very serious lung cancer and it had spread to his upper arm. > > He got started with Flax Oil and it was not many months before we heard he > was cancer free in a check up at the VA hospital. He called me and talked > about it and was a happy man. > > About two years later I heard that he had passed away. Some folks have the > idea that flax oil is like an antibiotic. He got well so he saw no further > use for the oil. That is a mistake. One should have at least a > maintenance > dose of oil each day to keep healthy. > > He didn't and the cancer redeveloped. He decided that since it hadn't > cured > him he wouldn't bother with it again. > > *********************** > > The brother in law of Betsy, a member of a local church was 47 years old > and incapacitated with lung cancer. This was around 7 years ago as I > remember. > > He had been given up and was doing no standard treatment. He began using 4 > tablespoons of Flaxseed Oil a day with cottage cheese > and in time [i do not know exactly how long but it was not many months] > the > only souvenier left was a little scar tissue and he was back at work. I > never knew his name but did not about him. Betsy is the best friend of a > good friend of ours. > > I visited the church occaisionally as the main musician was a fellow > teacher > and good friend. Kim was also the pastor's niece. > > The pastor's wife had colon cancer and had part of the colon removed and > had been put on heavy chemo. Kim wanted her to switch to flax oil but a > daughter was a student nurse, and told her " Momma, do what the doctor tells > you " . > > In a while the lady had virtually no immune system left and the doctor > advised her to stay away from people lest she catch a cold and die and took > her off the chemo to see if her body could rebuild. > > Now she began using Flax Oil. In a short time the white count was going up > and she was able to be out in public again. She had an appointment with > the > doctor and told him what she was doing. > > He told her that had not done her any good. It was the chemo that was > helping her. She was put back on chemo and in about three months she went > into a coma and died. The chemo had destroyed her heart and liver. > > One Sunday night the pastor, , asked me for a tape. I didn't know he > had not had one. A few weeks later I visited again and was talking with > after the service. He told me that he hoped I was wrong but that he > believed I was right. He said, " They killed my wife " . > > Then I asked him if he had heard about Betsy's brother in law. He said, " I > hear he's pretty bad. " I said, " He's well. " > > Betsy was still there and asked her how her brother in law was doing. > She said, " He's well " . > > looked at me, and with all the feeling he could put in it, he said, > " There's going to be doctors in HELL because of things like this!! " > > ****************************** > > Last June a friend of ours from beekeeping stopped by. She is a heavy > woman, probably over 250 lbs. She had been diagnosed with a rapidly > growing > cancer in her lung. > > The doctor was really after her to get it cut out as soon as possible. She > was resisting because she did not think she could stand the operation. > > She began using 8 tablespoons of flax oil a day [which would be too much I > believe if it were kept up] and in a checkup 8 weeks later there had been > no further growth. > > The doctor still urged her to get an operation. A subsequent X ray showed > no growth but was a little fuzzy as to any reduction. She had an MRI Oct. > 19 and a consultation Oct 25 but I haven't heard any results. > > In January 2002 I learned that in early November of 2001 she had had a hip > bone " explode " and had been hospitalized for quite a while, I think in late > January before she was released. She did not have an opportunity to use the > FO/CC during that time. > > She told me that the mass was still there but seemed to have changed its > character. The doctor at that time did not believe it was malignant any > longer but didn't want to go in and take anything for a biopsy as she was > afraid she might bleed to death. Flax Oil is a mild blood thinner and she > had used a lot of it. > > Today, June 30, 2002 I recieved word that she had passed away. I had not > known any further details. > > September 11, 2002 I received further word. The cancer had come back. She > had gone back to the FO/CC. At the time of her death the cancer had been > eliminated except for two small spots in a lung and one in her liver. > > She passed away as the result of ill health connected with Sugar Diabetes. > The friend emphasized that it was not the cancer. > > Cliff > > > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 Cliff I am stage IV NSCLC and have been taking cc and flaxseed oil (4 T.) daily for nine months. Yesterday I got severe chest pains and doubled my dose and today ate it all in one sitting and the pains are gone. I still have my cancer but it is stable. I wouldn't think of not taking cc and flax every day. Bev. C. You can't do anything about the length of your life but you can do something about its width and depth. lung cancer > Hi, > > permit me to suggest that there may be another way to fight lung cancer; and > in fact, any cancer. > > Some examples are given below. So far there have been no situation with > lung cancer that has not been taken care of where the one with the cancer > stayed with it. > > This approach has not been tested offically and never will be. It is too > cheap. > > While there are many different strains of any type of cancer, this approach > has been successful with any kind of cancer when used as Dr. Budwig has > directed. We have seen it to be used very successfully even when that was > added to any diet and the sources of Omega 6 eliminated as much as possible. > > Cliff > *************** > > > > LUNG CANCER > > I am going to set up a document with accounts of lung cancer of which we > have known. > > ************************* > Hi > > Saturday Aug 19, 2000 I had a call from Casper, WY, that was exciting. > > The caller told me that in march, 2000 he was diagnosed with a serious > cancer in his right lung and told that he did not have more than 1 to 3 > months to live. > > He was given chemo and couldn't stand it. He was put on hospice with > morphine patches in case the pain got too great. He was 73 and had just > about decided to go to the hospital and die. > > At this point a rancher friend who had gotten a tape on Flaxseed Oil at a > Bible conference heard about his situation and gave it to him. > > He told me he listened to the tape and fell in love with what he heard and > imediately began to use 6 tablespoons of flaxseed oil and cottage cheese a > day. > > He said it " kicked in " right away, though usually it does not work quite > that quickly. > > He had an appointment with the Oncologist before long and the doctor took X > rays. The caller said he came out of the lab soon with a puzzled look on > his face and asked him what, if anything, he had been doing. > He told the doctor he had been using flaxseed oil. > > The doctor said that the tumor he had in his right lung had not changed, > but > the tumor in his left lung, about which he had not told him, had completely > disappeared without a trace. > > He gave the doctor a tape and told me that the doctor and nurses were > making > tapes and distributing them. > > The caller said he was feeling good, continuing on the flaxseed oil and > getting along well and seemed quite excited; as I was to hear it. > > We are praising The Lord for His provision. > > " Cliff > > ************************** > > About three years ago I was in my doctor's waiting room when a couple came > in. I spoke to them briefly. > > That night the lady called and told me that her husband was a retired > college professor, 73, who had an 85% involvement with cancer in his left > lung. > > The decision had been made to remove the lung at the Cancer center > in Knoxville, Tn. > > When the attempt was made it was determined that the cancer had spread > further and they simply closed up and decided to use radiation and chemo. > > The radiation had been done with no apparent results and he and his wife > decided that rather than go through the misery of chemo they would just > live as long as possible and forget it. > > Thje Oncologist did not argue with that. She suggested that they come to > Rutledge and get flax oil and get started with four to eight tablespoons a > day with cottage cheese. > > They decided on 6 and got two quarts and then got their own after that. > > Three months later I was in again and asked if she had seen him again. She > had seen him the previous week. The cancer was still there but he was > holding his own. > > I remembered him about a year and a half later and she said that he had > died, but that he did not die of cancer. He was not a very active person > and died of a blood clot that moved to his heart. > > *********************** > > A lady about 73 lived two houses down from us. She was a frail person and > a > smoker. > The doctors found a tumor about the size of a quarter on the lower part of > her right lung and immediately urged an operation to remove half of the > lung. > > She was afraid she could not stand the operation and her grandson who knew > us well urged her to go on Flax Oil. I talked to her as well. > She did but did not use it as she should have. Nevertheless there was no > further growth of the tumor and I thought all was well. > > About two years later I heard that she had died. Her grandson told me that > on later checkups there was no growth of the cancer but the doctor kept > urging an operation. The daughter that lived one door down did not want > her > to do it but she had five other children and they persuaded her to go along > wit h the doctor's advice. > > She did not make it off the operating table. The grandson did not feel > kindly toward his aunts and uncles but rationalized that it was his Mamaw's > time to go. > > **************************** > > About 6 years ago a friend of ours had a cousin who was a veteran of WW II. > He had very serious lung cancer and it had spread to his upper arm. > > He got started with Flax Oil and it was not many months before we heard he > was cancer free in a check up at the VA hospital. He called me and talked > about it and was a happy man. > > About two years later I heard that he had passed away. Some folks have the > idea that flax oil is like an antibiotic. He got well so he saw no further > use for the oil. That is a mistake. One should have at least a > maintenance > dose of oil each day to keep healthy. > > He didn't and the cancer redeveloped. He decided that since it hadn't > cured > him he wouldn't bother with it again. > > *********************** > > The brother in law of Betsy, a member of a local church was 47 years old > and incapacitated with lung cancer. This was around 7 years ago as I > remember. > > He had been given up and was doing no standard treatment. He began using 4 > tablespoons of Flaxseed Oil a day with cottage cheese > and in time [i do not know exactly how long but it was not many months] > the > only souvenier left was a little scar tissue and he was back at work. I > never knew his name but did not about him. Betsy is the best friend of a > good friend of ours. > > I visited the church occaisionally as the main musician was a fellow > teacher > and good friend. Kim was also the pastor's niece. > > The pastor's wife had colon cancer and had part of the colon removed and > had been put on heavy chemo. Kim wanted her to switch to flax oil but a > daughter was a student nurse, and told her " Momma, do what the doctor tells > you " . > > In a while the lady had virtually no immune system left and the doctor > advised her to stay away from people lest she catch a cold and die and took > her off the chemo to see if her body could rebuild. > > Now she began using Flax Oil. In a short time the white count was going up > and she was able to be out in public again. She had an appointment with > the > doctor and told him what she was doing. > > He told her that had not done her any good. It was the chemo that was > helping her. She was put back on chemo and in about three months she went > into a coma and died. The chemo had destroyed her heart and liver. > > One Sunday night the pastor, , asked me for a tape. I didn't know he > had not had one. A few weeks later I visited again and was talking with > after the service. He told me that he hoped I was wrong but that he > believed I was right. He said, " They killed my wife " . > > Then I asked him if he had heard about Betsy's brother in law. He said, " I > hear he's pretty bad. " I said, " He's well. " > > Betsy was still there and asked her how her brother in law was doing. > She said, " He's well " . > > looked at me, and with all the feeling he could put in it, he said, > " There's going to be doctors in HELL because of things like this!! " > > ****************************** > > Last June a friend of ours from beekeeping stopped by. She is a heavy > woman, probably over 250 lbs. She had been diagnosed with a rapidly > growing > cancer in her lung. > > The doctor was really after her to get it cut out as soon as possible. She > was resisting because she did not think she could stand the operation. > > She began using 8 tablespoons of flax oil a day [which would be too much I > believe if it were kept up] and in a checkup 8 weeks later there had been > no further growth. > > The doctor still urged her to get an operation. A subsequent X ray showed > no growth but was a little fuzzy as to any reduction. She had an MRI Oct. > 19 and a consultation Oct 25 but I haven't heard any results. > > In January 2002 I learned that in early November of 2001 she had had a hip > bone " explode " and had been hospitalized for quite a while, I think in late > January before she was released. She did not have an opportunity to use the > FO/CC during that time. > > She told me that the mass was still there but seemed to have changed its > character. The doctor at that time did not believe it was malignant any > longer but didn't want to go in and take anything for a biopsy as she was > afraid she might bleed to death. Flax Oil is a mild blood thinner and she > had used a lot of it. > > Today, June 30, 2002 I recieved word that she had passed away. I had not > known any further details. > > September 11, 2002 I received further word. The cancer had come back. She > had gone back to the FO/CC. At the time of her death the cancer had been > eliminated except for two small spots in a lung and one in her liver. > > She passed away as the result of ill health connected with Sugar Diabetes. > The friend emphasized that it was not the cancer. > > Cliff > > > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 Dear Cliff: I referred a women to the FO/CC, she broke out in hives. Can you tell me if you have heard of anyone who has had this reaction? Thank You, Joe Bavaro lung cancer > Hi, > > permit me to suggest that there may be another way to fight lung cancer; and > in fact, any cancer. > > Some examples are given below. So far there have been no situation with > lung cancer that has not been taken care of where the one with the cancer > stayed with it. > > This approach has not been tested offically and never will be. It is too > cheap. > > While there are many different strains of any type of cancer, this approach > has been successful with any kind of cancer when used as Dr. Budwig has > directed. We have seen it to be used very successfully even when that was > added to any diet and the sources of Omega 6 eliminated as much as possible. > > Cliff > *************** > > > > LUNG CANCER > > I am going to set up a document with accounts of lung cancer of which we > have known. > > ************************* > Hi > > Saturday Aug 19, 2000 I had a call from Casper, WY, that was exciting. > > The caller told me that in march, 2000 he was diagnosed with a serious > cancer in his right lung and told that he did not have more than 1 to 3 > months to live. > > He was given chemo and couldn't stand it. He was put on hospice with > morphine patches in case the pain got too great. He was 73 and had just > about decided to go to the hospital and die. > > At this point a rancher friend who had gotten a tape on Flaxseed Oil at a > Bible conference heard about his situation and gave it to him. > > He told me he listened to the tape and fell in love with what he heard and > imediately began to use 6 tablespoons of flaxseed oil and cottage cheese a > day. > > He said it " kicked in " right away, though usually it does not work quite > that quickly. > > He had an appointment with the Oncologist before long and the doctor took X > rays. The caller said he came out of the lab soon with a puzzled look on > his face and asked him what, if anything, he had been doing. > He told the doctor he had been using flaxseed oil. > > The doctor said that the tumor he had in his right lung had not changed, > but > the tumor in his left lung, about which he had not told him, had completely > disappeared without a trace. > > He gave the doctor a tape and told me that the doctor and nurses were > making > tapes and distributing them. > > The caller said he was feeling good, continuing on the flaxseed oil and > getting along well and seemed quite excited; as I was to hear it. > > We are praising The Lord for His provision. > > " Cliff > > ************************** > > About three years ago I was in my doctor's waiting room when a couple came > in. I spoke to them briefly. > > That night the lady called and told me that her husband was a retired > college professor, 73, who had an 85% involvement with cancer in his left > lung. > > The decision had been made to remove the lung at the Cancer center > in Knoxville, Tn. > > When the attempt was made it was determined that the cancer had spread > further and they simply closed up and decided to use radiation and chemo. > > The radiation had been done with no apparent results and he and his wife > decided that rather than go through the misery of chemo they would just > live as long as possible and forget it. > > Thje Oncologist did not argue with that. She suggested that they come to > Rutledge and get flax oil and get started with four to eight tablespoons a > day with cottage cheese. > > They decided on 6 and got two quarts and then got their own after that. > > Three months later I was in again and asked if she had seen him again. She > had seen him the previous week. The cancer was still there but he was > holding his own. > > I remembered him about a year and a half later and she said that he had > died, but that he did not die of cancer. He was not a very active person > and died of a blood clot that moved to his heart. > > *********************** > > A lady about 73 lived two houses down from us. She was a frail person and > a > smoker. > The doctors found a tumor about the size of a quarter on the lower part of > her right lung and immediately urged an operation to remove half of the > lung. > > She was afraid she could not stand the operation and her grandson who knew > us well urged her to go on Flax Oil. I talked to her as well. > She did but did not use it as she should have. Nevertheless there was no > further growth of the tumor and I thought all was well. > > About two years later I heard that she had died. Her grandson told me that > on later checkups there was no growth of the cancer but the doctor kept > urging an operation. The daughter that lived one door down did not want > her > to do it but she had five other children and they persuaded her to go along > wit h the doctor's advice. > > She did not make it off the operating table. The grandson did not feel > kindly toward his aunts and uncles but rationalized that it was his Mamaw's > time to go. > > **************************** > > About 6 years ago a friend of ours had a cousin who was a veteran of WW II. > He had very serious lung cancer and it had spread to his upper arm. > > He got started with Flax Oil and it was not many months before we heard he > was cancer free in a check up at the VA hospital. He called me and talked > about it and was a happy man. > > About two years later I heard that he had passed away. Some folks have the > idea that flax oil is like an antibiotic. He got well so he saw no further > use for the oil. That is a mistake. One should have at least a > maintenance > dose of oil each day to keep healthy. > > He didn't and the cancer redeveloped. He decided that since it hadn't > cured > him he wouldn't bother with it again. > > *********************** > > The brother in law of Betsy, a member of a local church was 47 years old > and incapacitated with lung cancer. This was around 7 years ago as I > remember. > > He had been given up and was doing no standard treatment. He began using 4 > tablespoons of Flaxseed Oil a day with cottage cheese > and in time [i do not know exactly how long but it was not many months] > the > only souvenier left was a little scar tissue and he was back at work. I > never knew his name but did not about him. Betsy is the best friend of a > good friend of ours. > > I visited the church occaisionally as the main musician was a fellow > teacher > and good friend. Kim was also the pastor's niece. > > The pastor's wife had colon cancer and had part of the colon removed and > had been put on heavy chemo. Kim wanted her to switch to flax oil but a > daughter was a student nurse, and told her " Momma, do what the doctor tells > you " . > > In a while the lady had virtually no immune system left and the doctor > advised her to stay away from people lest she catch a cold and die and took > her off the chemo to see if her body could rebuild. > > Now she began using Flax Oil. In a short time the white count was going up > and she was able to be out in public again. She had an appointment with > the > doctor and told him what she was doing. > > He told her that had not done her any good. It was the chemo that was > helping her. She was put back on chemo and in about three months she went > into a coma and died. The chemo had destroyed her heart and liver. > > One Sunday night the pastor, , asked me for a tape. I didn't know he > had not had one. A few weeks later I visited again and was talking with > after the service. He told me that he hoped I was wrong but that he > believed I was right. He said, " They killed my wife " . > > Then I asked him if he had heard about Betsy's brother in law. He said, " I > hear he's pretty bad. " I said, " He's well. " > > Betsy was still there and asked her how her brother in law was doing. > She said, " He's well " . > > looked at me, and with all the feeling he could put in it, he said, > " There's going to be doctors in HELL because of things like this!! " > > ****************************** > > Last June a friend of ours from beekeeping stopped by. She is a heavy > woman, probably over 250 lbs. She had been diagnosed with a rapidly > growing > cancer in her lung. > > The doctor was really after her to get it cut out as soon as possible. She > was resisting because she did not think she could stand the operation. > > She began using 8 tablespoons of flax oil a day [which would be too much I > believe if it were kept up] and in a checkup 8 weeks later there had been > no further growth. > > The doctor still urged her to get an operation. A subsequent X ray showed > no growth but was a little fuzzy as to any reduction. She had an MRI Oct. > 19 and a consultation Oct 25 but I haven't heard any results. > > In January 2002 I learned that in early November of 2001 she had had a hip > bone " explode " and had been hospitalized for quite a while, I think in late > January before she was released. She did not have an opportunity to use the > FO/CC during that time. > > She told me that the mass was still there but seemed to have changed its > character. The doctor at that time did not believe it was malignant any > longer but didn't want to go in and take anything for a biopsy as she was > afraid she might bleed to death. Flax Oil is a mild blood thinner and she > had used a lot of it. > > Today, June 30, 2002 I recieved word that she had passed away. I had not > known any further details. > > September 11, 2002 I received further word. The cancer had come back. She > had gone back to the FO/CC. At the time of her death the cancer had been > eliminated except for two small spots in a lung and one in her liver. > > She passed away as the result of ill health connected with Sugar Diabetes. > The friend emphasized that it was not the cancer. > > Cliff > > > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 Dear Cliff: I referred a women to the FO/CC, she broke out in hives. Can you tell me if you have heard of anyone who has had this reaction? Thank You, Joe Bavaro lung cancer > Hi, > > permit me to suggest that there may be another way to fight lung cancer; and > in fact, any cancer. > > Some examples are given below. So far there have been no situation with > lung cancer that has not been taken care of where the one with the cancer > stayed with it. > > This approach has not been tested offically and never will be. It is too > cheap. > > While there are many different strains of any type of cancer, this approach > has been successful with any kind of cancer when used as Dr. Budwig has > directed. We have seen it to be used very successfully even when that was > added to any diet and the sources of Omega 6 eliminated as much as possible. > > Cliff > *************** > > > > LUNG CANCER > > I am going to set up a document with accounts of lung cancer of which we > have known. > > ************************* > Hi > > Saturday Aug 19, 2000 I had a call from Casper, WY, that was exciting. > > The caller told me that in march, 2000 he was diagnosed with a serious > cancer in his right lung and told that he did not have more than 1 to 3 > months to live. > > He was given chemo and couldn't stand it. He was put on hospice with > morphine patches in case the pain got too great. He was 73 and had just > about decided to go to the hospital and die. > > At this point a rancher friend who had gotten a tape on Flaxseed Oil at a > Bible conference heard about his situation and gave it to him. > > He told me he listened to the tape and fell in love with what he heard and > imediately began to use 6 tablespoons of flaxseed oil and cottage cheese a > day. > > He said it " kicked in " right away, though usually it does not work quite > that quickly. > > He had an appointment with the Oncologist before long and the doctor took X > rays. The caller said he came out of the lab soon with a puzzled look on > his face and asked him what, if anything, he had been doing. > He told the doctor he had been using flaxseed oil. > > The doctor said that the tumor he had in his right lung had not changed, > but > the tumor in his left lung, about which he had not told him, had completely > disappeared without a trace. > > He gave the doctor a tape and told me that the doctor and nurses were > making > tapes and distributing them. > > The caller said he was feeling good, continuing on the flaxseed oil and > getting along well and seemed quite excited; as I was to hear it. > > We are praising The Lord for His provision. > > " Cliff > > ************************** > > About three years ago I was in my doctor's waiting room when a couple came > in. I spoke to them briefly. > > That night the lady called and told me that her husband was a retired > college professor, 73, who had an 85% involvement with cancer in his left > lung. > > The decision had been made to remove the lung at the Cancer center > in Knoxville, Tn. > > When the attempt was made it was determined that the cancer had spread > further and they simply closed up and decided to use radiation and chemo. > > The radiation had been done with no apparent results and he and his wife > decided that rather than go through the misery of chemo they would just > live as long as possible and forget it. > > Thje Oncologist did not argue with that. She suggested that they come to > Rutledge and get flax oil and get started with four to eight tablespoons a > day with cottage cheese. > > They decided on 6 and got two quarts and then got their own after that. > > Three months later I was in again and asked if she had seen him again. She > had seen him the previous week. The cancer was still there but he was > holding his own. > > I remembered him about a year and a half later and she said that he had > died, but that he did not die of cancer. He was not a very active person > and died of a blood clot that moved to his heart. > > *********************** > > A lady about 73 lived two houses down from us. She was a frail person and > a > smoker. > The doctors found a tumor about the size of a quarter on the lower part of > her right lung and immediately urged an operation to remove half of the > lung. > > She was afraid she could not stand the operation and her grandson who knew > us well urged her to go on Flax Oil. I talked to her as well. > She did but did not use it as she should have. Nevertheless there was no > further growth of the tumor and I thought all was well. > > About two years later I heard that she had died. Her grandson told me that > on later checkups there was no growth of the cancer but the doctor kept > urging an operation. The daughter that lived one door down did not want > her > to do it but she had five other children and they persuaded her to go along > wit h the doctor's advice. > > She did not make it off the operating table. The grandson did not feel > kindly toward his aunts and uncles but rationalized that it was his Mamaw's > time to go. > > **************************** > > About 6 years ago a friend of ours had a cousin who was a veteran of WW II. > He had very serious lung cancer and it had spread to his upper arm. > > He got started with Flax Oil and it was not many months before we heard he > was cancer free in a check up at the VA hospital. He called me and talked > about it and was a happy man. > > About two years later I heard that he had passed away. Some folks have the > idea that flax oil is like an antibiotic. He got well so he saw no further > use for the oil. That is a mistake. One should have at least a > maintenance > dose of oil each day to keep healthy. > > He didn't and the cancer redeveloped. He decided that since it hadn't > cured > him he wouldn't bother with it again. > > *********************** > > The brother in law of Betsy, a member of a local church was 47 years old > and incapacitated with lung cancer. This was around 7 years ago as I > remember. > > He had been given up and was doing no standard treatment. He began using 4 > tablespoons of Flaxseed Oil a day with cottage cheese > and in time [i do not know exactly how long but it was not many months] > the > only souvenier left was a little scar tissue and he was back at work. I > never knew his name but did not about him. Betsy is the best friend of a > good friend of ours. > > I visited the church occaisionally as the main musician was a fellow > teacher > and good friend. Kim was also the pastor's niece. > > The pastor's wife had colon cancer and had part of the colon removed and > had been put on heavy chemo. Kim wanted her to switch to flax oil but a > daughter was a student nurse, and told her " Momma, do what the doctor tells > you " . > > In a while the lady had virtually no immune system left and the doctor > advised her to stay away from people lest she catch a cold and die and took > her off the chemo to see if her body could rebuild. > > Now she began using Flax Oil. In a short time the white count was going up > and she was able to be out in public again. She had an appointment with > the > doctor and told him what she was doing. > > He told her that had not done her any good. It was the chemo that was > helping her. She was put back on chemo and in about three months she went > into a coma and died. The chemo had destroyed her heart and liver. > > One Sunday night the pastor, , asked me for a tape. I didn't know he > had not had one. A few weeks later I visited again and was talking with > after the service. He told me that he hoped I was wrong but that he > believed I was right. He said, " They killed my wife " . > > Then I asked him if he had heard about Betsy's brother in law. He said, " I > hear he's pretty bad. " I said, " He's well. " > > Betsy was still there and asked her how her brother in law was doing. > She said, " He's well " . > > looked at me, and with all the feeling he could put in it, he said, > " There's going to be doctors in HELL because of things like this!! " > > ****************************** > > Last June a friend of ours from beekeeping stopped by. She is a heavy > woman, probably over 250 lbs. She had been diagnosed with a rapidly > growing > cancer in her lung. > > The doctor was really after her to get it cut out as soon as possible. She > was resisting because she did not think she could stand the operation. > > She began using 8 tablespoons of flax oil a day [which would be too much I > believe if it were kept up] and in a checkup 8 weeks later there had been > no further growth. > > The doctor still urged her to get an operation. A subsequent X ray showed > no growth but was a little fuzzy as to any reduction. She had an MRI Oct. > 19 and a consultation Oct 25 but I haven't heard any results. > > In January 2002 I learned that in early November of 2001 she had had a hip > bone " explode " and had been hospitalized for quite a while, I think in late > January before she was released. She did not have an opportunity to use the > FO/CC during that time. > > She told me that the mass was still there but seemed to have changed its > character. The doctor at that time did not believe it was malignant any > longer but didn't want to go in and take anything for a biopsy as she was > afraid she might bleed to death. Flax Oil is a mild blood thinner and she > had used a lot of it. > > Today, June 30, 2002 I recieved word that she had passed away. I had not > known any further details. > > September 11, 2002 I received further word. The cancer had come back. She > had gone back to the FO/CC. At the time of her death the cancer had been > eliminated except for two small spots in a lung and one in her liver. > > She passed away as the result of ill health connected with Sugar Diabetes. > The friend emphasized that it was not the cancer. > > Cliff > > > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Hi Joe, Yes. Allergic reaaction to this is very rare but it can happen. I have heard of it twice and seen it once. My sister-in-law was here a couple of years ago and wanted to see what the Flax Oil tasted like. She tasted a teaspoon full one night and the next morning she asked me if anyone could get a rash from it. I said that it was rare but I had heard of it. She said, " Like this? " and she unbuttoned the top button of her blouse and her neck was red as fire. She wasnt in discomfort, but it was there. I read that in cases like that it sometimes is possible to take just a little and gradually increase it and the body may get used to it. I am sorry it happened because it could have hlped the lady if she could have used it. Cliff lung cancer > > > > Hi, > > > > permit me to suggest that there may be another way to fight lung cancer; > and > > in fact, any cancer. > > > > Some examples are given below. So far there have been no situation with > > lung cancer that has not been taken care of where the one with the cancer > > stayed with it. > > > > This approach has not been tested offically and never will be. It is too > > cheap. > > > > While there are many different strains of any type of cancer, this > approach > > has been successful with any kind of cancer when used as Dr. Budwig has > > directed. We have seen it to be used very successfully even when that was > > added to any diet and the sources of Omega 6 eliminated as much as > possible. > > > > Cliff > > *************** > > > > > > > > LUNG CANCER > > > > I am going to set up a document with accounts of lung cancer of which we > > have known. > > > > ************************* > > Hi > > > > Saturday Aug 19, 2000 I had a call from Casper, WY, that was exciting. > > > > The caller told me that in march, 2000 he was diagnosed with a serious > > cancer in his right lung and told that he did not have more than 1 to 3 > > months to live. > > > > He was given chemo and couldn't stand it. He was put on hospice with > > morphine patches in case the pain got too great. He was 73 and had just > > about decided to go to the hospital and die. > > > > At this point a rancher friend who had gotten a tape on Flaxseed Oil at a > > Bible conference heard about his situation and gave it to him. > > > > He told me he listened to the tape and fell in love with what he heard and > > imediately began to use 6 tablespoons of flaxseed oil and cottage cheese a > > day. > > > > He said it " kicked in " right away, though usually it does not work quite > > that quickly. > > > > He had an appointment with the Oncologist before long and the doctor took > X > > rays. The caller said he came out of the lab soon with a puzzled look on > > his face and asked him what, if anything, he had been doing. > > He told the doctor he had been using flaxseed oil. > > > > The doctor said that the tumor he had in his right lung had not changed, > > but > > the tumor in his left lung, about which he had not told him, had > completely > > disappeared without a trace. > > > > He gave the doctor a tape and told me that the doctor and nurses were > > making > > tapes and distributing them. > > > > The caller said he was feeling good, continuing on the flaxseed oil and > > getting along well and seemed quite excited; as I was to hear it. > > > > We are praising The Lord for His provision. > > > > " Cliff > > > > ************************** > > > > About three years ago I was in my doctor's waiting room when a couple came > > in. I spoke to them briefly. > > > > That night the lady called and told me that her husband was a retired > > college professor, 73, who had an 85% involvement with cancer in his left > > lung. > > > > The decision had been made to remove the lung at the Cancer > center > > in Knoxville, Tn. > > > > When the attempt was made it was determined that the cancer had spread > > further and they simply closed up and decided to use radiation and chemo. > > > > The radiation had been done with no apparent results and he and his wife > > decided that rather than go through the misery of chemo they would just > > live as long as possible and forget it. > > > > Thje Oncologist did not argue with that. She suggested that they come to > > Rutledge and get flax oil and get started with four to eight tablespoons a > > day with cottage cheese. > > > > They decided on 6 and got two quarts and then got their own after that. > > > > Three months later I was in again and asked if she had seen him again. > She > > had seen him the previous week. The cancer was still there but he was > > holding his own. > > > > I remembered him about a year and a half later and she said that he had > > died, but that he did not die of cancer. He was not a very active person > > and died of a blood clot that moved to his heart. > > > > *********************** > > > > A lady about 73 lived two houses down from us. She was a frail person and > > a > > smoker. > > The doctors found a tumor about the size of a quarter on the lower part of > > her right lung and immediately urged an operation to remove half of the > > lung. > > > > She was afraid she could not stand the operation and her grandson who knew > > us well urged her to go on Flax Oil. I talked to her as well. > > She did but did not use it as she should have. Nevertheless there was no > > further growth of the tumor and I thought all was well. > > > > About two years later I heard that she had died. Her grandson told me > that > > on later checkups there was no growth of the cancer but the doctor kept > > urging an operation. The daughter that lived one door down did not want > > her > > to do it but she had five other children and they persuaded her to go > along > > wit h the doctor's advice. > > > > She did not make it off the operating table. The grandson did not feel > > kindly toward his aunts and uncles but rationalized that it was his > Mamaw's > > time to go. > > > > **************************** > > > > About 6 years ago a friend of ours had a cousin who was a veteran of WW > II. > > He had very serious lung cancer and it had spread to his upper arm. > > > > He got started with Flax Oil and it was not many months before we heard he > > was cancer free in a check up at the VA hospital. He called me and talked > > about it and was a happy man. > > > > About two years later I heard that he had passed away. Some folks have > the > > idea that flax oil is like an antibiotic. He got well so he saw no > further > > use for the oil. That is a mistake. One should have at least a > > maintenance > > dose of oil each day to keep healthy. > > > > He didn't and the cancer redeveloped. He decided that since it hadn't > > cured > > him he wouldn't bother with it again. > > > > *********************** > > > > The brother in law of Betsy, a member of a local church was 47 years old > > and incapacitated with lung cancer. This was around 7 years ago as I > > remember. > > > > He had been given up and was doing no standard treatment. He began using > 4 > > tablespoons of Flaxseed Oil a day with cottage cheese > > and in time [i do not know exactly how long but it was not many months] > > the > > only souvenier left was a little scar tissue and he was back at work. I > > never knew his name but did not about him. Betsy is the best friend of a > > good friend of ours. > > > > I visited the church occaisionally as the main musician was a fellow > > teacher > > and good friend. Kim was also the pastor's niece. > > > > The pastor's wife had colon cancer and had part of the colon removed and > > had been put on heavy chemo. Kim wanted her to switch to flax oil but a > > daughter was a student nurse, and told her " Momma, do what the doctor > tells > > you " . > > > > In a while the lady had virtually no immune system left and the doctor > > advised her to stay away from people lest she catch a cold and die and > took > > her off the chemo to see if her body could rebuild. > > > > Now she began using Flax Oil. In a short time the white count was going > up > > and she was able to be out in public again. She had an appointment with > > the > > doctor and told him what she was doing. > > > > He told her that had not done her any good. It was the chemo that was > > helping her. She was put back on chemo and in about three months she went > > into a coma and died. The chemo had destroyed her heart and liver. > > > > One Sunday night the pastor, , asked me for a tape. I didn't know he > > had not had one. A few weeks later I visited again and was talking with > > after the service. He told me that he hoped I was wrong but that he > > believed I was right. He said, " They killed my wife " . > > > > Then I asked him if he had heard about Betsy's brother in law. He said, > " I > > hear he's pretty bad. " I said, " He's well. " > > > > Betsy was still there and asked her how her brother in law was doing. > > She said, " He's well " . > > > > looked at me, and with all the feeling he could put in it, he said, > > " There's going to be doctors in HELL because of things like this!! " > > > > ****************************** > > > > Last June a friend of ours from beekeeping stopped by. She is a heavy > > woman, probably over 250 lbs. She had been diagnosed with a rapidly > > growing > > cancer in her lung. > > > > The doctor was really after her to get it cut out as soon as possible. > She > > was resisting because she did not think she could stand the operation. > > > > She began using 8 tablespoons of flax oil a day [which would be too much I > > believe if it were kept up] and in a checkup 8 weeks later there had been > > no further growth. > > > > The doctor still urged her to get an operation. A subsequent X ray showed > > no growth but was a little fuzzy as to any reduction. She had an MRI Oct. > > 19 and a consultation Oct 25 but I haven't heard any results. > > > > In January 2002 I learned that in early November of 2001 she had had a hip > > bone " explode " and had been hospitalized for quite a while, I think in > late > > January before she was released. She did not have an opportunity to use > the > > FO/CC during that time. > > > > She told me that the mass was still there but seemed to have changed its > > character. The doctor at that time did not believe it was malignant any > > longer but didn't want to go in and take anything for a biopsy as she was > > afraid she might bleed to death. Flax Oil is a mild blood thinner and she > > had used a lot of it. > > > > Today, June 30, 2002 I recieved word that she had passed away. I had not > > known any further details. > > > > September 11, 2002 I received further word. The cancer had come back. > She > > had gone back to the FO/CC. At the time of her death the cancer had been > > eliminated except for two small spots in a lung and one in her liver. > > > > She passed away as the result of ill health connected with Sugar Diabetes. > > The friend emphasized that it was not the cancer. > > > > Cliff > > > > > > > > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. > Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by > visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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