Re: Can anyone tell me where the BMA stand with Thyroid issues.

[Guest guest]

Kath,

Here is Dr Toft's pedigree:

" Dr Toft has been a Consultant Physician with an interest in Endocrinology,

and especially thyroid disease, at the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh since 1978.

He has been President of the Royal College of Physicians of Edinburgh, President

of the British Thyroid Association and since 1996, Physician to Her Majesty The

Queen in Scotland. He has published widely in the most prestigious medical

journals and textbooks on the clinical management of patients with thyroid

disease. His small book `Understanding Thyroid Disorders', written for patients

and published in associations with the British Medical Association is in its

12th edition and has sold over 250 thousand copies. "

Much of what Dr toft says is sensible, He advocates having a good level of

free T4 and if that doesn't work, trying T3.

So how is your doctor better qualified to comment than Dr Toft and how is your

doctor able to poo poo the book? I would ask the doctor in writing....

The BMA are, according to Wikipedia, a group representing the interests of

doctors... (a kind of trade union)

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> HI ALL

> Can anyone tell me where the BMA stand regarding Thyroid issues,as my GP

poo-hood a book called " Understanding Thyroid Issues " by DR Toft for the

BMA.

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[Guest guest]

HI AMANDA,

There appears to be a decrepency as the BTA say that there is no beneficial

effect in having Armour Thyroid compared to Thyroxine.In this book on one hand

he is saying that it makes sense to replace hormones that are missing even T3

even THYROID EXTRACT, but he is also saying that in the short time we will be

delighted at weight loss and increase in energy, in the long term its like self

induced Hyperthyroidism and will lead to Osteoporosis, possible fracture,

irregular heartbeat, heart failure stroke and even death.

I seemed to go downhill when they increased my thyroxine, and Polymyalgia

decended upon me.

My Sister however was not treated with thyroxine and was very overwight,

developed Diabetes and also had two strokes, but in turn her death was caused by

Paracetamol causing her to have a heart attack (SHE DID HAVE AN ALLERGY TO

PARACETAMOL).

The version that I have must be 2006 and states on the outside over 200,000

copies sold.

I personally do not think that it is good to cause an older person to go

charging around, as in turn it reminds me of a hampster getting on in age and

giving him vitamin drops that perked him up like a youngster, and shortly after,

I should think he might have had a stroke as we found him on the floor of his

cage with his head part still alive, and the lower part of his body appeared to

be paralized, and he died shortly after.

How do you read a GP who does not agree with this book and bear in mind its the

BMA his trade union. He also said that he had a PHD in science, yet he did not

appear to know much about T3, and insists that T4 converts to T3.

I have already noted that if I speed up which is usually caused by a vitamin or

on increasing T4, and its then that things go wrong, so I am not sure what T3's

effect will have on me, but I do know that if it causes me to do more it could

do more harm in the end.

Kathleen

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> Kath,

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> Much of what Dr toft says is sensible, He advocates having a good level of

free T4 and if that doesn't work, trying T3.

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> So how is your doctor better qualified to comment than Dr Toft and how is your

doctor able to poo poo the book? I would ask the doctor in writing....

>

> The BMA are, according to Wikipedia, a group representing the interests of

doctors... (a kind of trade union)

>

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[Guest guest]

Perhaps we should all be writing to Dr Toft and let him know how his research,

expertise and experience is being dismissed and not applied.

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> Kath, it is doctors such as yours who are causing great harm to their

> patients and I would have no hesitation in telling him so, and as has

> suggested, do this in a letter and ask for his response in writing too as to

> his reason why he poo poos Dr Toft recommendations. It is because we sit

> back and do nothing that such doctors get away with what they are doing, or

> in this case, not doing

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[Guest guest]

Sheila I think that I shall have to go back to this GP next week anyway, and I

shall take this book with me and refresh his memory and then ask for his views

on it in writing.

Having had the salt block softener installed which is supposed to improve ones

skin. My elbows got very rough as they did when on Pimozide, and I have to

question if the additional salt or sodium that must get in the water supply as

they use salt to get rid of calcium, so cure one thing and cause another.

He prescribed Aqueas Cream (I already had some). The problem is that I now have

splits on my fingers and this morning splitting in private area causing stinging

on spending a penny.

This aqueas cream contains SODIUM LAURYLSULPHATE (yes another sodium). I was

also prescibed this while on Pimozide and after for Lichen Sclerosis. I have

questioned my concerns about Sodium with my GP, and in turn question if SODIUM

is what is causing a problem with CALCIUM.

I also go back to my first pregnancy when my problems started with high BP. I

had to work in a darkroom with photographic chemicals immersing my hands in

sinkfuls of chemicals in a Government establishment where no protective clothing

was provided. My hands became so bad that I could not continue in that area and

again the chemical SODIUM THIOSULPHATE, along with this I had to take my own

drinking water into work as the taste was so bad at this place (well noticed

when pregnant). Years after this the water board informed me that the water was

sourced from a more chalky area so more calcium in it. So it boils down to

SODIUM and CALCIUM yet again.

I traced all this back for Doctors as well from an alergy to ECHINACIA and

CALOMILE from the daisy family. Then went back to my Fathers passion for

Chrysanths and my Father-in-Laws, which in turn are the same family. They use

Chrysanths in the making of Pyrethrins for insecticides which then enter our

food chain. I also traced that these PYRETHRINS affect the SODIUM CHANNELS in

Humans.

Could these Pyrethrins that clearly get in our food supply be causing a large

health problem which the Government are refusing to accept.

Kathleen

PS- Not sure if he will strike me off for going on T3, but perhaps it could be a

good thing as going to another surgery and already by then taking T3,they will

have to accept it.

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> Kath, it is doctors such as yours who are causing great harm to their

> patients and I would have no hesitation in telling him so, >

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathleen,

The BTA conducted some very dubious tests, using very small amounts of T3, in a

small sample size of people who didn't really have problems anyway, and

concluded that the T3 was of no help. TPA has a register of counterexamples,

with well over a thousand people who are willing to testify that T3 had the

effect of improving their health. A thousand people who say T3 is of benefit

is more than the BTA used in their original tests.

The register of counterexamples is here:

http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk/register_of_counterexamples.php

Some people do lose weight on thyroid meds, I personally have not found that

this is the case, even when I take T3 to the point where it is over range. Dr

Toft says that a low TSH is ok so long as the T3 is withing range. Too high T3

is thought to cause Osteoporosis.

However too much unconverted t4 is said to be the cause of muscle and joint pain

accoding to Dr Lowes web site. Maybe your increase of T4 was responsible for

the pains?

The speeding up and charging around, so long as it is not caused by

hyperthyroidism, is no bad thing, most active older people do very well, it is

immobility which causes so many problems.

The doctor was correct, in as much as t4 is a storage hormone, which needs to

convert to T3 to be of use. But the problem is, that many of us cannot do the

conversion.

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> HI AMANDA,

> There appears to be a decrepency as the BTA say that there is no beneficial

effect in having Armour Thyroid compared to Thyroxine.

..

> I seemed to go downhill when they increased my thyroxine, and Polymyalgia

decended upon me.

>

> How do you read a GP who does not agree with this book and bear in mind its

the BMA his trade union. He also said that he had a PHD in science, yet he did

not appear to know much about T3, and insists that T4 converts to T3.

>

[Guest guest]

HI AMANDA

First of all I think my adrenal glands needed treating having gone through

divorce and moving into this flat that was in a very bad state.

The surgery I signed on with being a Health Centre with three surgeries of

patients all in the same waiting area is all too easy to pick up infections when

ones immune system is not very good, and the surgery should have waited for my

records before increasing the thyroxine.

The problem was that not only was the thyroxine a different brand, but I caught

an infection at the same time of increasing it. My previous GP had told me not

to increase it when I had, had an infection before.

Then having that fall on the bus shook me up even more, and then all that pain

descending on me.

What could indeed make you worse " not being able to get about, and not good for

ones health and very depressing " .

The HCL is helping me with indigestion, and had I had the adrenal glands treated

and also taken the HCL before attempting to take the ARMOUR THYROID then it

could have been a success, but now its just my luck for the T3 to be held up due

to more stringent customs checks.

The HCL would have helped me to digest the animal protein that Armour Thyroid

has in it and so did the adrenal support.

I am also taking CoQ10.

I have just been for an outing on my scooter but think how down I was with it

sat in my flat due to not being able to get it out let alone sit on it.

If my health improves Doctors really will have to take note of the TPA,SHEILA,

DR PEATFIELD AND ALL THE MODERATERS, AND HOPEFULLY DR SKINNER WILL GET HIS

LICENSE BACK, but I hope they also compensate him.

Look back at the TB outbreak, it was charities that saved us, and look at how

many women died from pueperol fever through Doctors no washing their hands after

disecting corpses.

More and more people are turning to charities for help having been treated badly

by Doctors so is it no wonder that patients no longer trust a Doctor.

Could this in turn lead to charities receiving funding rather than our GP'S who

have had it good for so long.

Kathleen

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> Hi Kathleen,

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> The BTA conducted some very dubious tests, using very small amounts of T3, in

a small sample size of people who didn't really have problems anyway, and

concluded that the T3 was of no help. TPA has a register of counterexamples,

with well over a thousand people who are willing to testify that T3 had the

effect of improving their health. A thousand people who say T3 is of benefit

is more than the BTA used in their original tests.

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> The register of counterexamples is here:

http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk/register_of_counterexamples.php

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