Re: Stubbornly Low Ferritin Level...?

[Guest guest]

have you had copper levels checked, too? I gather that some people need copper

to get their iron up

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient & dbid=53

Iron Utilization

Approximately 90% of the copper in the blood is incorporated into a compound

called ceruloplasmin, which is a transport protein responsible for carrying

copper to tissues that need the mineral. In addition to its role as a transport

protein, ceruloplasmin also acts as an enzyme, catalyzing the oxidation of

minerals, most notably iron.

The oxidation of iron by ceruloplasmin is necessary for iron to be bound to its

transport protein (called transferrin) so that it can be carried to tissues

where it is needed. Because copper is necessary for the utilization of iron,

iron deficiency anemias may be a symptom of copper deficiency.

Chris

>

> Hi there,

>

> I wonder if anyone else has been suffering from stubbornly low ferrtin levels

despite trying to treat it? Perhaps I am being a little impatient as I am not

sure how quickly one should expect to see any real improvement. I've been

treating for five months. Any advice that anyone has would be greatly

appreciated, currently I've taken these steps:

[Guest guest]

Kerry are you taking in plenty of iron with your flood. Have you

tried either Ferrous Sulphate4 or Ferrous Fumerate 200mcgs 3 times daily taken

with high doses of vitamin C (*4/5000mgs daily) to help with absorption?

Luv - Sheila

As you can see I don't appear to be getting anywhere very fast......my Ferritin

has gone up to 29 from 27 after five months of Spatone followed by Chelated

Iron tablets. Should I expect to have seem more of an improvment over this

time?

[Guest guest]

Here's a short article on iron absorption.....and the most important thing to

remember is that COFFEE DEPLETES the iron in your system and all the other

nutrients as well.

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/helping-your-body-absorb-iron-from-your-di\

et.html

I take my iron at night just before I turn out the lights. With Vitamin C, it

can absorb uninterrupted all night long..... that may help.....

Cheers,

JOT

> As you can see I don't appear to be getting anywhere very fast......my

> Ferritin has gone up to 29 from 27 after five months of Spatone followed by

> Chelated Iron tablets. Should I expect to have seem more of an improvment

> over this time?

>

[Guest guest]

Kerry I do sympathise as I have suffered with very low ferritin for years and

have never managed to increase it orally.

When my levels have got really low (eg: between 2 and 15!) my gastoenterologist

or haematologist have arranged for me to have a Cosmofer IV iron infusion.

Within a month my ferritin is then at a healthy level, only to drop down again

over the course of the year

I don't know if your GP would refer you with a ferritin of 27, but there is no

harm in asking? It does make you feel a bit better for a while?

I have had four iron infusion over the past four years. Before that I spent

YEARS trying various iron preparations (along with vit C )but nothing would

raise my levels.

The IV infusion is only a sticking plaster obviously.

Since joining this forum I have also read about the link between copper/ zinc &

iron so I have just recently asked my GP to test my Copper & Zinc levels.

I would also love to get to the bottom of the low ferritin problem. It's no fun

when it's low and some Drs dont seem to take it seriously unless your

haemaglobin is also low!

Good luck hun!

x

>

> I wonder if anyone else has been suffering from stubbornly low ferrtin levels

despite trying to treat it?

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

Yes I have been veggie since I was about 9 years old.

I am now 40, and was never ill before I had Epstein barr Virus (EBV) 9 years

ago.

Before I was knocked out by the EBV I was fit as a fiddle, working full time,

good social life, I swam, did martial arts, walked miles, even parachuted for

fun!

After I became ill, one of the haematologists I saw was happy to put my symptoms

of low ferritin down to the fact that I am veggie, but he couldn't explain why

that might make my white blood count low aswell?

He did concede it might all be due to the affects of the EBV?

Maybe my ferritin might be higher if I ate red meat, but I can't bear to

I did have a positive blood test for coeliac disease, and am now gluten free.

Anemia is one of the common side affects of coeliac disease so I wonder if this

is an absorbtion issue that would apply whether I was eating liver or iron

tablets? :/

I also got copies of my medical records recently and noted that I drunk half a

glass of turps as I child. I was hospitalised but can't remember is as I was

only little. I wonder if that might have damaged my stomach & affected

absorption.

I know I desperately need to get this sorted, having low ferritin is really

debilitating plus I now know it's really bad for my thyroid

x

>

> You don't happen to be a vegan/vegetarian do you ?

>

> Luv - Sheila.

[Guest guest]

Hi , Thanks very much for this info.....its worth me asking my GP like you say. I saw your later note btw &  I've also been veggie (since the age of 15, I'm now 42). However, with me, my problem is probably hereditary rather than dietary. My mum has eaten meat all her life....now has Coeliac disease, pernicious anemia & her ferritn levels are like yours i.e. she's been treated on the NHS. 

 However,having said that...Sheila's prompt of 'are you eating plenty of iron rich foods?' made me realise that I actually could do with brushing up a little on this as I've just been focusing on what I can & can't eat for adrenal fatigue & hypothyroidism. So, I am now making more of a conscious effort to ensure I get my 14.8mg of daily iron. I'm going to do this religiously for the next few months (whilst taking iron supps) & get re-measured around Xmas time to see if this has made any difference.

 I must also say....in my case, I may have thrown the baby out with the bath water a bit on this one because pre-diagnosis I used to eat a bowl of branflakes every day religiously with a half diluted glass of fresh OJ......Although I don't know what my iron level was pre-diagnosis.....I remember when I was heavily pregnant (around two years ago) my mid-wife commenting on how surprised she was at my very good iron levels......I should call the mat unit actually   & see if I can get that result......

 Anyway, here is a link which I found useful to remind me of what iron rich foods I should be eating on a daily basis to help my iron levels. Although by the sounds of it you've tried all this to no avail.....(

 http://www.vegetarian.org.uk//factsheets/iron.html K x

Kerry I do sympathise as I have suffered with very low ferritin for years and have never managed to increase it orally.

When my levels have got really low (eg: between 2 and 15!) my gastoenterologist or haematologist have arranged for me to have a Cosmofer IV iron infusion. Within a month my ferritin is then at a healthy level, only to drop down again over the course of the year

>

> I wonder if anyone else has been suffering from stubbornly low ferrtin levels despite trying to treat it?

[Guest guest]

Hi

Check out the

following list of non-meat foods that are high in iron and concentrate on

getting a load of these into your system, so long as they don't go against your

gluten free diet:

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/iron.htm

Table 1: Iron Content of Selected Vegan Foods

Food

Amount

Iron (mg)

Soybeans,

cooked

1 cup

8.8

Blackstrap

molasses

2

Tbsp

7.2

Lentils,

cooked

1 cup

6.6

Spinach,

cooked

1 cup

6.4

Quinoa,

cooked

1 cup

6.3

Tofu

4

ounces

6.0

Bagel,

enriched

3

ounces

5.2

Tempeh

1 cup

4.8

Lima

beans, cooked

1 cup

4.4

Swiss

chard, cooked

1 cup

4.0

Black

beans, cooked

1 cup

3.6

Pinto

beans, cooked

1 cup

3.5

Turnip

greens, cooked

1 cup

3.2

Chickpeas,

cooked

1 cup

3.2

Potato

1

large

3.2

Kidney

beans, cooked

1 cup

3.0

Prune

juice

8

ounces

3.0

Beet

greens, cooked

1 cup

2.7

Tahini

2

Tbsp

2.7

Veggie

hot dog

1 hot

dog

2.7

Peas,

cooked

1 cup

2.5

Black-eyed

peas, cooked

1 cup

2.3

Cashews

1/4

cup

2.1

Brussels

sprouts, cooked

1 cup

1.9

Bok

choy, cooked

1 cup

1.8

Bulgur,

cooked

1 cup

1.7

Raisins

1/2

cup

1.6

Almonds

1/4

cup

1.5

Apricots,

dried

15

halves

1.4

Veggie

burger, commercial

1

patty

1.4

Watermelon

1/8

medium

1.4

Soy

yogurt

6

ounces

1.1

Tomato

juice

8

ounces

1.0

Green

beans, cooked

1 cup

1.2

Kale,

cooked

1 cup

1.2

Sunflower

seeds

1/4

cup

1.2

Broccoli,

cooked

1 cup

1.1

Millet,

cooked

1 cup

1.1

Sesame

seeds

2

Tbsp

1.0

Sources: USDA Nutrient Database for Standard

Reference, Release 18, 2005 and Manufacturer's information.

The RDA for iron for vegetarians is 14 mg/day for adult men and

for post-menopausal women and 33 mg/day for pre-menopausal women.

Table 2: Comparison of Iron Sources

Food

Iron

(mg/100 calories)

Spinach,

cooked

15.7

Collard

greens, cooked

3.1

Lentils,

cooked

2.9

Broccoli,

cooked

1.9

Hamburger,

lean, broiled

1.2

Chickpeas,

cooked

1.1

Sirloin

steak, choice, broiled

0.9

Chicken,

breast roasted, no skin

0.6

Pork

chop, pan fried

0.4

Flounder,

baked

0.3

Milk,

skim

0.1

Note

that the top iron sources are vegan.

Table 3: Sample Menus Providing

Generous Amounts of Iron

Iron

(mg)

Breakfast:

1

serving Oatmeal Plus (p. 23)

3.8

Lunch:

1

serving Tempeh/Rice Pocket Sandwich (p. 94)

4.7

15

Dried Apricots

1.4

Dinner:

1

serving Black-Eyed Peas and Collards (p. 76)

2.1

1

serving Corn Bread (p. 21)

2.6

1

slice Watermelon

1.4

TOTAL

16.0

Breakfast:

Cereal

with 8 ounce of Soy Milk

1.5

Lunch:

1

serving Creamy Lentil Soup (p. 49)

6.0

1/4

cup Sunflower Seeds

1.2

1/2

cup Raisins

1.6

Dinner:

1

serving Spicy Sautéed Tofu with Peas (p. 103)

14.0

1 cup

Bulgur

1.7

1 cup

Spinach

6.4

sprinkled

with

2

Tbsp Sesame Seeds

1.0

TOTAL

33.4

Additional foods should be added to these menus to provide

adequate calories and to meet requirements for nutrients besides iron.

Yes I have been veggie since I was about 9 years old.

I am now 40, and was never ill before I had Epstein barr Virus (EBV) 9 years

ago.

Before I was knocked out by the EBV I was fit as a fiddle, working full time,

good social life, I swam, did martial arts, walked miles, even parachuted for

fun!

After I became ill, one of the haematologists I saw was happy to put my

symptoms of low ferritin down to the fact that I am veggie, but he couldn't

explain why that might make my white blood count low aswell?

He did concede it might all be due to the affects of the EBV?

Maybe my ferritin might be higher if I ate red meat, but I can't bear to

I did have a positive blood test for coeliac disease, and am now gluten free.

Anemia is one of the common side affects of coeliac disease so I wonder if this

is an absorbtion issue that would apply whether I was eating liver or iron

tablets? :/

I also got copies of my medical records recently and noted that I drunk half a

glass of turps as I child. I was hospitalised but can't remember is as I was

only little. I wonder if that might have damaged my stomach & affected

absorption.

I know I desperately need to get this sorted, having low ferritin is really

debilitating plus I now know it's really bad for my thyroid

x

>

> You don't happen to be a vegan/vegetarian do you ?

>

> Luv - Sheila.

[Guest guest]

If you have been completely gluten-free for about 3 months there shouldn't be

any remaining problems relating to the coeliac disease itself.

Miriam

> I did have a positive blood test for coeliac disease, and am now gluten free.

Anemia is one of the common side affects of coeliac disease so I wonder if this

is an absorbtion issue that would apply whether I was eating liver or iron

tablets? :/

[Guest guest]

Hi Miriam,

Yes I have been gluten free for quite a few years now, bar a gluten challenge

for my blood test & biopsy & a few mistakes!

I'm sure 3 months is enough for many people to recover, but I have read many

cases of people taking several years to improve despite sticking to a strict

gluten free diet.

Plus some people suffer with refractory coeliac disease which does not respond

at all. I don't think I am one of these people, but you never know with

auto-immune disease?

x

>

> If you have been completely gluten-free for about 3 months there shouldn't be

any remaining problems relating to the coeliac disease itself.

> Miriam

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sheila,

I do really enjoy lots of these foods (except mollasses blurghh!) & eat plenty

of them.

Before I joined this forum I used to eat lots of tofu & spinach, but I stopped

them both as I thought I was best avoiding soya products because of it blocking

the thyroid? Am I getting confused about spinach or is it cabbage that also

blocks the thyroid? I really love cabbage aswell!

x

>

> Hi

>

> Check out the following list of non-meat foods that are high in iron and

> concentrate on getting a load of these into your system, so long as they

> don't go against your gluten free diet:

>

> http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/iron.htm

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I agree with you. I was a member of a coeliac group for a while.

Some members found that avoiding other carbohydrates helped. This could be

because if you have bad bugs in the gut they thrive on any undigested

carbohydrates. For more information on that see:

http://www.badbugs.org/diet.htm

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/beginners_guide/the_science_behind_the_d\

iet2.htm

There are other similar diets to improve the balance of bugs in the gut, such as

the GAPS diet, the diet for Ankylosing Spondilitis, and Kent Rieske's diet for

chronic bowel problems.

http://gaps.me/preview/?page_id=35

http://www.kickas.org/

http://www.biblelife.org/bowel.htm

Elaine Gottschall said that years ago coeliacs were put on a very strict low

carb diet which was designed to correct the problem of bad bugs and allow the

gut to heal. Eventually they would be cured, instead of being put on a

life-long gluten-free diet. I cannot say how true this is as I don't know what

her sources were for this information.

Miriam

> I'm sure 3 months is enough for many people to recover, but I have read many

cases of people taking several years to improve despite sticking to a strict

gluten free diet.

> Plus some people suffer with refractory coeliac disease which does not respond

at all. I don't think I am one of these people, but you never know with

auto-immune disease?

[Guest guest]

Hi Jot,I'm interested in the fact that you take your iron with Vit C at night.....Can I ask, how you split your iron dose (with Vit C) throughout the day & how you may this work with NDT dosage (if you are taking it)?

Thanks,Kerry

I take my iron at night just before I turn out the lights. With Vitamin C, it can absorb uninterrupted all night long..... that may help.....

Cheers,

JOT

> As you can see I don't appear to be getting anywhere very fast......my

> Ferritin has gone up to 29 from 27 after five months of Spatone followed by

> Chelated Iron tablets. Should I expect to have seem more of an improvment

> over this time?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kerry:

I take 3000 mgs of Vitamin C every night. I don't break that up during the day

because I am tolerating it OK. I take Spirulina every day which has 7 mgs of

iron in it. Every 3 or 4 nights I take 19mgs of iron bisglycinate with my

Vitamin C. My iron levels are good now, so I don't want to overdo it.

When you are taking desiccated thryoid meds and iron, you need to take it 4

hours apart. I take my ERFA at about 3:30-4:30 am when I wake up to use the

bathroom. If I take my iron and Vc at bedtime, this does not interfere with the

thyroid meds. Always in bed and ready to sleep at 10 PM.

If you are taking V c with iron during the day, try to take it 2 hours after

breakfast/two hours before lunch. Then 2 hours after lunch/two hours before

dinner. And then at bedtime. Since we eat during our waking hours, it's not

possible to take it without some food in our system. But if we give it at least

2 hours all by itself, it has a better chance of absorption.

Cheers,

JOT

> I'm interested in the fact that you take your iron with Vit C at

> night.....Can I ask, how you split your iron dose (with Vit C) throughout

> the day & how you may this work with NDT dosage (if you are taking it)?

[Guest guest]

You can eat spinach and cabbage and even Brussels Sprouts so

long as you BOIL them and don't eat them raw in salads. This kills off the

goitrogens that are so bad for those with hypothyroidism.

I do really enjoy lots of these foods (except mollasses blurghh!) & eat

plenty of them.

Before I joined this forum I used to eat lots of tofu & spinach, but I

stopped them both as I thought I was best avoiding soya products because of it

blocking the thyroid? Am I getting confused about spinach or is it cabbage that

also blocks the thyroid? I really love cabbage aswell!

x

[Guest guest]

Just to jump in here cos I saw the words 'stubbornly low ferritin' - my daughter who is hypo and has been unable to even maintain her ferritin levels has just been diagnosed with helicobacter pylori which apparently stops its absorption amongst other things. . . .

[Guest guest]

HI SHEILA AND ALL

Does steaming vegetables get rid of goitrogens.

Kathleen

>

> You can eat spinach and cabbage and even Brussels Sprouts so long as you

> BOIL them and don't eat them raw in salads. This kills off the goitrogens

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,Thanks for coming back to me & apologies that I've been very slow in responding...I've just noticed my first attempt at replying failed through the mail server so here is a re-run )

 OK - I need to make more of a concerted effort to up my iron rich foods,will do.I haven't tried Ferrous Sulphate4 or Ferrous Fumerate.....I have a feelingthat the former are what the NHS treat you with if you are below range....?

I've got two bottles of 90 capusles of Bluebonnet chelated iron 27mg to useup first/jettison for something else......I guess I've only been on theBluebonnet for four weeks so might be jumping the gun by looking at the

bigger picture.....I'm also going to take heed of what Jot recommends to me in her latest mail with regards to dosage & Sprirulina.Been taking high Vit C up to bowel tolerance for some time (I can only

alternate between 3G & 4G before issues arise). BUT, will now look at what Jot does with taking Vit C at night...... Thank you again,Kerry xOn Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Sheila <sheila@...> wrote:

 

Kerry are you taking in plenty of iron with your flood. Have you

tried either Ferrous Sulphate4 or Ferrous Fumerate 200mcgs 3 times daily taken

with high doses of vitamin C (*4/5000mgs daily) to help with absorption?

Luv - Sheila

As you can see I don't appear to be getting anywhere very fast......my Ferritin

has gone up to 29 from 27 after five months of Spatone followed by Chelated

Iron tablets. Should I expect to have seem more of an improvment over this

time?

[Guest guest]

Ok, working through my failed mail messages here, sorry for slow response..... Thanks that's a good point but I've actually just received my copper level back from Genova testing & its completely fine......My Zinc levels are fine too, plus my B12 & Folate.

 Will act on Sheila's advice of cramming in the iron rich foods every day & Jots supps approach & see what happens by Xmas........If that doesn't make a difference then something may well be wrong & need further investigation at that point....

 Kerry xOn Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:28 PM, <chrisjtaylor46@...> wrote:

 

have you had copper levels checked, too? I gather that some people need copper to get their iron up

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient & dbid=53

Iron Utilization

Approximately 90% of the copper in the blood is incorporated into a compound called ceruloplasmin, which is a transport protein responsible for carrying copper to tissues that need the mineral. In addition to its role as a transport protein, ceruloplasmin also acts as an enzyme, catalyzing the oxidation of minerals, most notably iron.

The oxidation of iron by ceruloplasmin is necessary for iron to be bound to its transport protein (called transferrin) so that it can be carried to tissues where it is needed. Because copper is necessary for the utilization of iron, iron deficiency anemias may be a symptom of copper deficiency.

Chris

>

> Hi there,

>

> I wonder if anyone else has been suffering from stubbornly low ferrtin levels despite trying to treat it? Perhaps I am being a little impatient as I am not sure how quickly one should expect to see any real improvement. I've been treating for five months. Any advice that anyone has would be greatly appreciated, currently I've taken these steps:

[Guest guest]

Hi Jot,Sorry, I'm really going to grill you a bit on this iron issue if you don't mind.....its my pet 'project' at the moment!..... 

I'm not currently taking any desiccated thyroid meds (under Dr. P, until my adrenals are strong enough) so....I take my Vit C & Iron supps throughout the day with meals. I was working on the assumption that both were better absorbed with food.....Anyway, I'm obvioulsy getting no where fast with what I'm doing  &  in the words of one of my  favourite mantras  " if it ain't working...change it " ... so change it I will ;o).

 My immediate plan is to start taking my iron supps between breakie/lunch, lunch/dinner  & then bedtime as you say. Do I take the Vit C at the same time as the iron supps? (I'm not on time-release Vit C but will be in a couple of weeks when I work through my open pot of Vit C).

 I will also try...... Spirulina (I have some organic Spirulina handy actually!) 3 times a day with meals? Would this be the 7mgs of iron you are referring to or do you just take one Spirulina daily? And, do you take yours with or without food?

 19mgs iron Bisglycinate last thing at night (with the Vit C) every 3/4 nights.....or perhaps I could start on higher frequency to begin with? (I guess I don't want to experience negative side effects though such as good old constipation!) Could you possibly reccomend where to purchase a good brand? 

 Now then, when I'm ready to re-trial NDT....I can then switch to taking all my Vit C & iron together last thing at night (currently taking 3 x 27mgs Bluebonnet Chelated iron & 3/4G Vit C) is this right?

 Sorry, lots of questions...determined to implement my change plan asap ;O) Thanks so much for your help ) Kerry x   

   

I take 3000 mgs of Vitamin C every night. I don't break that up during the day because I am tolerating it OK.

[Guest guest]

HI Kerry:

I don't know that taking iron with food is carved in stone, I think people take

iron with food if it upsets their stomach. Otherwise, iron will be absorbed

easier if there is nothing to get in the way. For instance, do we really know

what goes on when we put supplements in our body? Are we sure? What if the iron

tablet gets wrapped around something that doesn't dissolve well and basically

just goes through our system and pops out the other side? doesn't absorb? Then

the iron won't either. And then there's wild oil of oregano which I take every

day. You cannot take WOO with iron because it is very strong and it actually

dissolves the iron in the stomach so none of it gets absorbed. (we'll that's the

theory anyway) This is one theory that makes sense to me... :0)

This is the Spirulina I take:

http://www.iherb.com/Nutrex-Pure-Hawaiian-Spirulina-Pacifica-Nature-s-Multi-Vita\

min-500-mg-400-Tablets/12641?at=0

6 Tablets a day equals the 7mg and the rest of the amounts listed here. I like

the tablets because they are easier than the powder for me. No taste, etc.

Iron:

http://www.iherb.com/Solgar-Gentle-Iron-25-mg-180-Veggie-Caps/10625?at=0

or the blue bonnet:

http://www.iherb.com/Bluebonnet-Nutrition-Chelated-Iron-18-mg-90-Vcaps/13960?at=\

0

Yes, take Vc with your iron during the day, at least 1000 mgs with your iron

tablets. With the Spirulina, take that with food. Leave the iron and Vc to

themselves to work their magic without interruption.

I'm glad you're on a quest to find answers and to to look outside the box.

I'm not one to follow the guidelines just because the guidelines are there, this

is rubbish to me. My life is important, and if I'm not up and running well then

everything around me is going to suffer as well. It's like a domino effect, if I

don't feel good, I can't walk the dogs, so their life is ruined for a day. I

can't get out and help others or do my volunteer work, so their lives get ruined

for a day....I don't want to join in the reindeer games and I don't want to

socialize, so those people don't get the enjoyment of doing that either. It's a

vicious circle. I don't like being a burden on others, I want to stand on my own

and be as healthy as I can. I didn't get here from following ridiculous rules...

(not aimed at you Kerry, just in the mood for a rant...:0)

Now, granted there are people who love all the attention that being sick can

give them. This is very much overlooked but it's easy to see. I know people who

have been sick for so long and are so comfortable in that position because their

family and friends wait on them hand and foot. This is called enabling and it's

just part of a bigger problem. The thing to understand here is that it's a

disorder all it's own.

As anyone in the healing arts will tell you, if someone does not want to *heal,*

they won't. It's that simple. There is no force in the Universe that will heal

someone who wishes to remain ill. Period.

I think the best thing anyone can do is to experiment with what they have to

work with...I'm always experimenting with something to see if it works or

not....

The other thing is to use your intuitive, it's there for a reason. If someone

tells you something and it automatically puts you off, listen to that. That's

your soul telling you that particular thing is not for you. Listening to your

gut is a gift, it's your soul chatting with your mind.... :0)

Ok, rant over for now.

but I feel another one coming on... :0)

Cheers,

JOT

-

> Sorry, I'm really going to grill you a bit on this iron issue if you don't

> mind.....its my pet 'project' at the moment!.....

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Wow! Now that was well vented stuff Jot ) I think you echo probably a lot of people's thoughts on this forum. I'd imagne many are extremely embarrassed about the effects of this illness & would do anything to get their lives back, well almost! I'd like to have more energy to look after my little toddler, I don't want her to miss out on activities or trips because I feel like a donkey's backside...not good enough for me, not good enough for her ;o)

 Ok, so......just struggling to understand the difference between the 3 x 27mg Blubonnet Chelated Irons capsules I am taking daily & the 19mgs iron Bisglycinate you take....I presume the Bisglycinate is a different product to the chelated iron I am taking?.....Any ideas on where I might find that particlular product? I searched iherb.com (get most of my stuff there now) but it just came back with a string of general looking iron supps.....

 Really helpful info Jot, thank you...and I hope it's made you feel better to have a rant, glad to have been involved in some way. A find a good rant very empowering myself ;o) Kerry x

  

I'm not one to follow the guidelines just because the guidelines are there.... 

As anyone in the healing arts will tell you, if someone does not want to *heal,* they won't. It's that simple. There is no force in the Universe that will heal someone who wishes to remain ill. Period.

Cheers,

JOT

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> Sorry, I'm really going to grill you a bit on this iron issue if you don't

> mind.....its my pet 'project' at the moment!.....

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As far as I am aware yes. It is the heat that kills goitrogens.

I steam almost all of my vegetables and I eat broccoli, Brussels sprouts,

cabbage etc.

Luv - Sheila

HI SHEILA AND ALL

Does steaming vegetables get rid of goitrogens.

Kathleen

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I haven't tried Ferrous Sulphate4 or Ferrous Fumerate.....I have a feeling

that the former are what the NHS treat you with if you are below range....?

Yes

this is correct, but you need to also take high doses of vitamin C e.g.

5/6000mgs daily (or, at least, to bowel tolerance to help with absorption).

I've got two bottles of 90 capusles of Bluebonnet chelated iron 27mg to use

up first/jettison for something else......I guess I've only been on the

Bluebonnet for four weeks so might be jumping the gun by looking at the

bigger picture.....I'm also going to take heed of what Jot recommends to me in

her latest mail with regards to dosage & Sprirulina.

I

would most definitely use these up first. Some people say these are excellent,

so go with it. However, it depends on how many tablets you are taking daily.

When very low in iron, you need to take quite large doses to get your body

properly functioning again, so talk to your GP about this and increase your

dose if necessary.

Luv- Sheila

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Hi Kerry:

I am taking the 18 mgs of Blue

Bonnet....I said 19 mgs by mistake.(should have looked at the bottle) Both the

Blue bonnet and the Gentle iron by solgar are chelated and they are both iron

bisglycinate. Your choice....take 18 mgs, or 25 mgs or the 27 mgs you are taking

now. Most of the chelated/bisglycinate iron is supposed to be constipation free.

Of course that doesn't work with everyone, because we are all different. Neither

of these two brands give me constipation.

What about omega 3 oils and coconut oils? Are you taking plenty of that each

day? Coconut oil is fab for the thyroid/adrenals and this is something that also

gets overlooked on a daily basis. Omega 3's are a must.

http://www.iherb.com/Emerald-Laboratories-Extra-Virgin-Pure-Natural-Coconut-Oil-\

120-Softgels/5727?at=0

Cheers,

JOT

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> Wow! Now that was well vented stuff Jot ) I think you echo probably a lot

> of people's thoughts on this forum.

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HI Kerry:

As far as the vitamin C at night all at once, the reason I do that is because I

use magnesium during the day.

Both magnesium and Vitamin C have great anti-inflammatory qualities to

them.....Magnesium takes care of any inflammation during the day, as well as any

neurological flutters which may be present...eye twitching, headaches, etc. And

the Vitamin C takes care of it why I sleep.

If you're just starting out and getting used to Vitamin C then it's best to

build slowly through the day, and the same for magnesium..

If you're raising your iron with Vitamin C, then once it's up and in good shape,

you certainly can take all your vitamin C in one dose at night. Others won't

agree with this. This is something I like to do because Vitamin C for me, also

has a relaxing quality to it. I have a special thing I do at night which gets me

to sleep every night...

Cheers,

JOT