Re: Severe hunger pangs+arrythmia

[Guest guest]

Hi.

Constant hunger, despite eating can be caused by low Vitamin D3 levels.

" If you are feeling hungry all the time no matter how much you eat, you might

want to have your vitamin D3 levels checked. What drives insatiable hunger is

the relationship between low vitamin D levels and a hormone called leptin.

Leptin is a messenger molecule made in fat cells that communicates with the

hypothalamus letting it know how much fat is stored in the body. It is the

hormone that communicates that your stomach is full.

Researchers at Aberdeen University, found that obese ppl produce 10 percent

less Vitamin D than ppl of average weight. " as per Nexus magazine article

June-July 2011

Endo's treat low levels of Vitamin D3, after a blood test to confirm, with

50,000iu once a week for 6 weeks, followed by more blood tests and then possibly

50,000iu every fortnight for 3 months, then blood tests again.

Pop in to the Vitamin D council website for more info relating to heart. I

would also be researching taking a good quality magnesium for the heart.

I have had that 'shudder' - I think at that time it was due to adrenals.

It may of course not apply, but may be worth checking as low Vitamin D3 levels

are far reaching.

F

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> Anyone else with those symptoms,

> severe unhealthy hunger pangs,

> not helped by any type of foods,

> accompanied with arrythmias and sometimes

> angina!! Worse in the morning upon waking,

> sometimes, in the middle of the night, and during

> the day.

>

> Also had heart vibrating/spams, just as in muscles

> fasciculations. The whole body kind of internally vibrates

> with the heart spasms, and arrytmias. Not, I do not suffer

> from panic attacks, stress etc.. This is definitely associated with

> severe & acute hunger pangs

>

> Also have fissures on fingers, (not dry or scaly)

> paper thin clean fissures, which then takes time to heal.

>

> Blood sugar fasting and post meals are normal, but have

> very strong symptoms of hypo or could be hyperglycemia.

>

> Well, I thought my thyroid went back to normal.

> Results varied between a TSH of 2 to 3.31 ref range 0.27-4.30

>

> The results were consistently low for six months (not taking

> anything).

>

> Will have tests done privately, TSH, Free T3, Free T4, and

> antibodies. My GP refused doing those tests again, saying when we last

> did those tests, they were normal, which they were, except

> for subclinical hypo, shown by TSH.

>

> Any other tests worth doing? Am on very limited funding here.

> There is mineral and nutrients deficiency, and now taking a

> very basic multi mineral & multi vits.

>

> Many thanks

>

> kookie

>

[Guest guest]

Common genetic determinants of vitamin D insufficiency: a genome-wide association study

part of an answer: ~

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3086761/pdf/nihms245647.pdf

Bob

>> Hi. > Constant hunger, despite eating can be caused by low Vitamin D3 levels. > > "If you are feeling hungry all the time no matter how much you eat, you might want to have your vitamin D3 levels checked. What drives insatiable hunger is the relationship between low vitamin D levels and a hormone called leptin.

[Guest guest]

Great paper Bob, thanks.

Will spend more time reading it in depth.

Its sooo confusing, Q10 and Magnesium can

also cause the same symptoms, and so can

folic acid (am deficient in all those including

D3).

What happens though when you try to taper

off those vits and supps? Do you become deficient

again?

> >

> > Hi.

> > Constant hunger, despite eating can be caused by low Vitamin D3

> levels.

> >

> > " If you are feeling hungry all the time no matter how much you eat,

> you might want to have your vitamin D3 levels checked. What drives

> insatiable hunger is the relationship between low vitamin D levels and a

> hormone called leptin.

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.jbc.org/cgi/doi/10.1074/jbc.M111.257568

the other part:-

Bob

>> Hi. > Constant hunger, despite eating can be caused by low Vitamin D3 levels. > > "If you are feeling hungry all the time no matter how much you eat, you might want to have your vitamin D3 levels checked. What drives insatiable hunger is the relationship between low vitamin D levels and a hormone called leptin.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, another great article..

Now, need to sort this asap, or

I will simply konk out!!

> >

> > Hi.

> > Constant hunger, despite eating can be caused by low Vitamin D3

> levels.

> >

> > " If you are feeling hungry all the time no matter how much you eat,

> you might want to have your vitamin D3 levels checked. What drives

> insatiable hunger is the relationship between low vitamin D levels and a

> hormone called leptin.

>

[Guest guest]

have you had cortisol checked?

what were your normal blood sugar results?

you can have normal blood sugar but hyperinsulinemia. does this fit?

have you had fasting insulin checked?

have you had magnesium, calcium checked?

magnesium is linked to arrythmias. magnesium is also needed for insulin to work

properly. high insulin will cause cravings? magnesium deficiency is linked to

hunger?

http://magnesiumforlife.com/transdermal-magnesium/magnesium-thirst-magnesium-hun\

ger/ http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/magnesium/

what exactly are you taking now? meds, supplements? if you analye your diet,

what minerals/vitamins are you low on?

do any of the meds you're on deplete anything as a side effect?

could you have low stomach acid and not be getting enough benefit from your

food? similarly might you need digestive enzymes?

have you checked your blood sugar when you get these hunger pangs?

do supplements like chromium help? (these are supposed to help the body use

insulin better)

have you had Vitamin A checked? (re skin splitting - heel splits are linked to

vitamin A deficiency, could you be experiencing heel splitting on your fingers

so to speak?

http://www.livestrong.com/article/147697-cracked-heels-nutritional-deficiency/)

i checked the archives and you posted something similar in 2008. has this got

worse or better since then? what are you taking?

thyroid treatment/messages/19813?threa\

ded=1 & m=e & var=1 & tidx=1

Ray Peat says hypothyroid peopld can produce too much adrenaline - has t4 or t3

helped this at all?

have you looked at any trace minerals like manganese, silica?

i would go back to your gp and see if you can get proper tests, it sounds like

it could be serious. surely they should test for the common things like

magnesium etc?

chris

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> Anyone else with those symptoms,

> severe unhealthy hunger pangs,

> not helped by any type of foods,

[Guest guest]

> >

> >

> > Anyone else with those symptoms,

> > severe unhealthy hunger pangs,

> > not helped by any type of foods,

>

[Guest guest]

hi there

i'm not sure what else i can add to whta i wrote but let me run through your

replies and see if i can think of anything

> " have you had cortisol checked? "

>

> <<<Not recently. My GP refuses to do this. He will only do

> TSH. I will do the rest privately.

is there no way you can spin it back on him and present with symptoms which if

he didn't test/treat for, he'd be negligent? You really shouldn't have to do

that, but by the same token, your health could be in danger if you do have those

conditions and they should be going through this methodically to identify your

problems. do your symptoms fit addisons, for instance? why won't he check T3?

You say 'not recently' - that suggests you might have had cortisol tested before

- what were the results?

>I am looking at the most

> accurate test for cotrisol. Have low funding and will need to

> choose carefully.

if i had to choose one test i'd go for the 24 hr urine, but then others would go

for the saliva test, it's a tough call but at least with 24hr urine you see how

much in total is happening over the course of a day. ok you don't see the

rhythms but you do see the total. ideally of course it'd be good to get 9am

cortisol, CBG, saliva test, and 24 hr urinary tests.

>I suspect hyperinsulinemia. Drastic cuts in the NHS socialized

> medicine in the UK. If not working for a long time due to chronic

> illness, low priority, meaning, sanctions on tests and access to medical

> care.

are you in America? I've only heard the NHS described as socialised by

Americans.... :-) i'm sorry you're not getting the help you need, in any case.

> " have you had magnesium, calcium checked? "

>

> <<<Those tests are not reliable.

I realise that but i thought you may have had different tests done (eg urine)

and also i don't feel comfortable or qualified to start talking about specific

minerals etc without the tests, so just trying to offer some suggestions.

> and so was magnesium. It does not test intracellularly,

i heard the erythrocyte magnesium test is better?

re: magnesium

> <<<thanks for the info. I started taking Magnesium three days ago,

> a multi vitamin, kelp, Thiamine and folic acid (was low on that one),

what sort of magnesium are you taking? there's a magnesium spray isn't there -

superaturated magnesium oil. it feels horrible to me when i apply it ! i take

mag citrate, it seems to be ok.

> D3 and a multi minerals combo.

what form of vit d3 are you taking? and what form of b12? (i do better with the

cobalmin form, but i know others do better with the methylcobalmin).

> <<<I suffer from malnutrition due to a very restricted diet since 2002.

Needless to say, that I am deficient in most minerals and other nutrients. >

what are your thoughts on humic shale based colloidal vitamins and minerals? i

think some preparations have potassium sorbate in though as a preservative , but

some may not have any in http://www.redtag-sale.com/B00016QU9S/M/B00016QU9S.htm

are you restricted to vegetable based nutrients? do herbs help you? can you

see a herbalist or are the other people you see now helping ?

> " could you have low stomach acid and not be getting enough benefit from your

food? similarly might you need digestive enzymes? "

>

> <<<Digestive system was damaged by those prescibed meds and vaccines years

ago, so were digestive enzymes. I will get the digestive enzymes from certain

foods such as Daikon, which is a type of white raddish.

ok, you know your body best. are sprouted seeds/grains any good for you? are

juiced vegetables any good for you? what can you eat?

>

> do supplements like chromium help? (these are supposed to help the body use

insulin better)

>

> <<<I am now thinking of taking this.>>>

there's cinnulin, too, which is cinnamon based. i guess you need to know or

have a good idea what's wrong though before taking things, esp if money is

tight.

> have you had Vitamin A checked? (re skin splitting - heel splits are linked to

vitamin A deficiency, could you be experiencing heel splitting on your fingers

so to speak?

http://www.livestrong.com/article/147697-cracked-heels-nutritional-deficiency/)

>

> <<<I am probably deficient, and will try and obtain this from foods I can eat.

Its included in the multivits combo. Fnx for the info>>>

ok have you considered a preformed vit A though from fish oil? i realise these

can be soy oil based which isn't ideal, and fish oil purity may be questionable,

but i read that hypothyroid people can't convert beta carotene to Vit A very

well, so it was just a thought.

> have you looked at any trace minerals like manganese, silica?

>

> <<<Yes, the multi minerals contains manganese, will get silica.>>>

have you gone through a list of all the different minerals and vitamins (and

things like choline etc) and checked off what you may not be getting from your

supplement? or tried matching specific symptoms to specific nutrients? like

draw up some kind of matrix or something and cross reference it? that said, i

realise you're really not well so i don't want to suggest things which you

couldn't do :-(

> <<<i would go back to your gp and see if you can get proper tests, it sounds

like it could be serious. surely they should test for the common things like

magnesium etc?

>

> I tried several times, and even phoned a private lab, they only do some

can you focus on the most likely/commonest things first and what your smptoms

most match and see if you improve? i'm intereested to know whereabouts (country)

you live, maybe if it is the UK someone knows of a sympathetic GP near to you.

Chris