Tissue resistance to T3? Adrenal fatigue? Bloods COMPLETELY NORMAL please help!!

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Thanks Sheila! I'll try and remember that.

Diamond

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Hi Jot,

Good to know I'm on the right track. I'll have a read of the adrenal

stuff. I do have a few questions though:

Can adrenal fatigue cause a sluggish thyroid? Or does it only happen

the other way round?

Is it unwise/unsafe to start taking adrenal support without actually

having a blood test?

I started taking the B vits only a few days ago so don't think they've

kicked in yet. How long do you think until I should notice a

difference?

I'm not taking celtic sea salt or unrefined himalayan rock salt - would

this push my blood pressure up? I thought too much salt was bad for

you? What would you recommend taking?

Also, do you know where your T3 should fall within the range to feel

best?

Thanks,

Diamond

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> Hi D:

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> No, I do not think you are off at all...This screams of adrenal

fatigue to me...and also thyroid fatigue. Here is a link to the section

on Adrenals in our file :

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Oh and Jot, you made me chuckle too :-D a well needed giggle!

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> Start to take the unrefined salt as soon as you wake up in a glass of

water

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Does anyone know if Dr. Skinner would be able to treat me with these

blood results? My most recent T3 is just below the middle of the range

:FT3 4.8 (3.1 - 6.8)

Thanks,

Diamond

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> 2008: TSH 3.01 (0.4 - 5.0), FT4 11.7 (11 - 23) – LAB A, DECEMBER

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> 2010: TSH 2.7 (0.27 - 4.2) – LAB B, MAY

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> 2011:

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> FEBRUARY: TSH 6.3 (0.27 - 4.2), FT4 16.8 (12 - 22) – LAB B,

> subsequently treated for VitD deficiency, may explain why TSH comes

down

> in May? But I should point out that I felt no better after

> supplementation (VitD – 110) and have been acquiring new symptoms

> ever since.

>

> MAY #1: TSH 2.0 (0.27 - 4.2) – LAB B

>

> MAY#2: No results but doctor confirmed subclinical hypothyroidism, I

> imagine TSH over 4-5ish – LAB C (blood taken at 1am in A & E)

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> JUNE: TSH 7.39 (0.4 - 5.00), FT4: 16.9 (10.0 - 23.0), FT3: 5.4 (3.5

> -

> 6.5) – LAB D (blood taken at 1am in A & E)

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> AUG: TSH 1.9 (0.27 - 4.2), FT4 18.8 (12 - 22), FT3 4.8 (3.1 - 6.8)

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> LAB B

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> The two labs which were done in the middle of the night may explain

why

> the TSH is high, although I thought the range was supposed to take

into

> account circadian rhythm? So still abnormal? And the labs in February

> 2011 were done in the morning so that's certainly too high? All

> other results were done in the morning. >

>

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Hi

Diamond

Read the information in our web site about the thyroid/adrenal

connection. Go to www.tpa-uk.org.uk

and on the Home Page, click 'Hypothyroidism'. In the drop down Menu, click

'Associated Conditions'. In the page that opens, click 'Adrenals' and then

click THYROID

AND ADRENAL DYSFUNCTION; THE DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT OF AN ENDEMIC SYNDROME'.

You will learn everything you need to know from there.

Luv - Sheila

Good to know I'm on the right track. I'll have a read of the adrenal

stuff. I do have a few questions though:

Can adrenal fatigue cause a sluggish thyroid? Or does it only happen

the other way round?

Is it unwise/unsafe to start taking adrenal support without actually

having a blood test?

I started taking the B vits only a few days ago so don't think they've

kicked in yet. How long do you think until I should notice a

difference?

I'm not taking celtic sea salt or unrefined himalayan rock salt - would

this push my blood pressure up? I thought too much salt was bad for

you? What would you recommend taking?

Also, do you know where your T3 should fall within the range to feel

best?

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I would hope that he would be able to treat you....give him the list of symptoms

you gave us and go through each and everyone of them. You'll need to get the

Adrenal Fatigue under control first. Always get the adrenals in shape before

starting on thyroid meds.

I wouldn't let him give you T4 meds, (synthetic meds.) This is my own

opinion....there is a world of difference between T4 meds and T4/T3 meds...let

him know you won't put up with the T4 meds....

Don't sell your soul for *STANDARD OF CARE* practices. You deserve better, you

deserve much better than that.

Cheers,

JOT

> Does anyone know if Dr. Skinner would be able to treat me with these

> blood results? My most recent T3 is just below the middle of the range

> :FT3 4.8 (3.1 - 6.8)

>

> Thanks,

>

> Diamond

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> Can adrenal fatigue cause a sluggish thyroid? Or does it only happen> the other way round?It can happen either way, but generally your adrenals become compromised which will lead to the thyroid malfunctioning...and it most usually happens when you're not looking :0) > Is it unwise/unsafe to start taking adrenal support without actually> having a blood test?This is a touchy subject because one one hand, it's good to know where your levels are, it's generally a saliva test with 4 viles/tubes which you spit into during the course of 24 hours. They test to see what levels are good and which are poor. Helps to know this when treating with HC or isocort or even NAX. On the other hand, it's a bit expensive and the NHS isn't going to pay for it. If you have a good DR who will look at the results, this will be information for him to treat with HC if the results are poor. You shouldn't start any adrenal supplements before the test because you could get a false positive and then be rejected for the HC treatment.> > I started taking the B vits only a few days ago so don't think they've> kicked in yet. How long do you think until I should notice a> difference?It depends on your system and your own sensitivity. I feel things immediately. When I take a B12 tablet, I feel more energy imediately. They may take a little bit to kick in, but I'm sure your body is just loving it :0)> > I'm not taking celtic sea salt or unrefined himalayan rock salt - would> this push my blood pressure up? I thought too much salt was bad for> you? What would you recommend taking?This seems very counter-intuitive doesn't it? That's because all our lives and for the last century we've been given the wrong information. (gee, what a surprise)......White table salt (refined salt) has been stripped of all the trace minerals...these are the trace minerals which the body desperately needs to function properly. Unrefined salt still has all its properties which includes the trace minerals. Anywhere from 84-90 trace minerals which we need to survive healthfully. Both Celtic Sea Salt and Himalayan pink rock salt are the good refined salts. It is important to get these trace minerals into your body. You can do it by salt, which is the best way or you can buy trace mineral drops. The second link here will discuss blood pressure, etc.http://www.healthfree.com/celtic_sea_salt.htmlhttp://celticseasalt.posterous.com/any-questions-about-salt-and-health-dr-browns > Also, do you know where your T3 should fall within the range to feel> best?There isn't an anwser to this D. It is different for everyone and blood tests don't always tell us what is happening in your body or reveal the real story. Blood tests measure the amount floating around in your blood. If this is actually getting into the cells or not, we don't have a test for that. We do the best with what we have, but it's how you feel and how you function, which gives us the answer to that.Cheers,JOT > > Thanks,> > Diamond

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Hi Jot, there are many people who start L-thyroxine who do

absolutely fine because they have no problems with conversion and can exist

very happily on T4-only meds. It is those who cannot get on with T4 that

actually join forums like this because they don't know where to turn when their

doctor refuses to give them any other form of thyroid hormone replacement. I

think that for everybody who is starting thyroid hormone replacement for the

very first time, they should and must give the synthetic T4-only therapy a go

to see how they respond. If they don't, then to try synthetic T4/T3 combination,

T3 alone, or natural thyroid extract.

Luv - Sheila

I would hope that he would be able to treat

you....give him the list of symptoms you gave us and go through each and

everyone of them. You'll need to get the Adrenal Fatigue under control first.

Always get the adrenals in shape before starting on thyroid meds.

I wouldn't let him give you T4 meds, (synthetic meds.) This is my own

opinion....there is a world of difference between T4 meds and T4/T3 meds...let

him know you won't put up with the T4 meds....

Don't sell your soul for *STANDARD OF CARE* practices. You deserve better, you

deserve much better than that.

Cheers,

JOT

> Does anyone know if Dr. Skinner would be able to treat me with these

> blood results? My most recent T3 is just below the middle of the range

> :FT3 4.8 (3.1 - 6.8)

>

> Thanks,

>

> Diamond