Guest guest Posted September 3, 1999 Report Share Posted September 3, 1999 In a message dated 9/3/99 1:21:05 PM Central Daylight Time, Gdwny@... writes: << Has anyone have any suggestions as to stopping or reversing the formation of cataracts on the eyes? I have heard of such treatments in the past. Gene Downey >> I just received a newsletter from an ND in Washington state( I know him and have called him twice in the last 2 wks for advice) and he recommends eyebright capsules internally and castor oil drops in eye. It doesn't happen over night so they will not go away that quickly either. Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 1999 Report Share Posted September 3, 1999 Was melatonin that someone talked about helpful for cataracts or glaucoma...I think cataracts... ~^^V^^~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 1999 Report Share Posted September 3, 1999 > From: Gdwny@... > > Has anyone have any suggestions as to stopping or reversing the formation of > cataracts on the eyes? I have heard of such treatments in the past. > > Gene Downey Gene, I may have told this story before, so forgive me if I'm repeating. An older gentleman in California was complaining to me one day about his cataracts, that he was slowly losing his vision. He went monthly to the VA doctor, but what they gave him didn't work. I suggested that he use two drops of his own morning urine in his eyes every day for a period of time. I saw him three months later, and he thanked me profusely for the advice; he said for the first time, his vision has started to improve, that he had thrown away all the medicine the allopaths had given him, and planned to continue using this own drops every day. Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 1999 Report Share Posted September 4, 1999 > From: jawlaw@... > >> From: Gdwny@... >> >> Has anyone have any suggestions as to stopping or reversing >> the formation of cataracts on the eyes? I have heard of such >> treatments in the past. >> Gene Downey > Gene, I may have told this story before, so forgive me if I'm > repeating. An older gentleman in California was complaining > to me one day about his cataracts, that he was slowly losing > his vision. He went monthly to the VA doctor, but what they > gave him didn't work. I suggested that he use two drops of > his own morning urine in his eyes every day for a period of > time. I saw him three months later, and he thanked me > profusely for the advice; he said for the first time, his > vision has started to improve, that he had thrown away all > the medicine the allopaths had given him, and planned to > continue using this own drops every day. > > Jack Dr. Schulzes improved formula from Dr is supposed to cure cataracts and most other vision problems..it contains eyebright and cayenne (yes, cayenne - I've used it myself, and it does sting, but it isn't that bad, and your eyes feel wonderful afterwards). Check it out on Dr Schulzes site www.healthfree.com/schulze -- Marcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 1999 Report Share Posted September 5, 1999 Veterinarians report melatonin reverses cataracts in dogs. And, since it is dogs, there is no placebo effect. jim Gdwny@... wrote: > From: Gdwny@... > > Has anyone have any suggestions as to stopping or reversing the formation of > cataracts on the eyes? I have heard of such treatments in the past. > > Gene Downey > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2000 Report Share Posted December 2, 2000 In a message dated 12/1/00 7:56:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, egroups writes: > . Is Risperdal going to make this an even greater risk? > > Loyd > > > Loyd: As far as I know, only Seroquel can cause cataracts, but at least that can be corrected. Risperdal has much more serious side effects that are permanent.....don't wanna scare anyone...remember, was on Risperdal too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2000 Report Share Posted December 2, 2000 In a message dated 12/1/00 7:56:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, egroups writes: > Sorry, I had Risperdal and Seroquel mixed up. I should have asked: Is > Seroquel going to make cataracts an even greater risk for DS individuals? > > Loyd > > > Sorry, too, LOL....I answered your first post before I read this one.......not necessarily, but there is a risk......doc says make sure has regular checkups, which he does anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2001 Report Share Posted June 20, 2001 , Vets say melatonin can reverse that in dogs. jim jpople@... wrote: > > Looks like my Cocker Spaniel is developing cataracts. > Any suggestions? > > ----- The TRUTH in 11 words: Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened! -- anon jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 << My father has cataracts and he is at the stage where he can almost no longer read. He also has type 2 diabetes. Has anyone got any natural cures or suggestions on how to reverse the condition? >> Though I avoid traditional medicine almost totally, I recently had an operation for cataracts which was so simple, painless, and effective that I must say that if your father has insurance that provides for the " implant " operation, (and my insurance is one I get for my medicare payments) it is well worth doing. I couldn't read for very long and everything out of doors looked brown and fuzzy. Now, I don't wear distance glasses at all. The only negative is that now I can see dust and dirt in my apartment that I never saw, and looking in the mirror and Really seeing the lines and wrinkles is a bit of a shock. dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 garry, Veterinarians have had some results reversing cataracts using melatonin. www.lef.org has some onfo on it for that purpose. Type II diabetes is caused by diet & not drinking 6 glasses water daily. LAck of exercise & balanced amino acids also play a part in sugar diabetes. And, has your father stopped all consumption of sweet things & alcohol? Further, gymnema sylvestre is supposed to help the pancreas rebuild itself for insulon production. Finally, both of you read Dr. Batmanghelidj's book, Your Body's MAny Cries For Water, which talks a lot about the causes of sugar diabetes (type II). It explains the interaction of exercise, aminos, water, etc. that cause this disease. jim garry_jb@... wrote: > > My father has cataracts and he is at the stage where he can almost no > longer read. He also has type 2 diabetes. > > Has anyone got any natural cures or suggestions on how to reverse the > condition? > > I have read that it can be caused by long term mineral and vitamin > deficiencies. Also I read that spraying Willard's Water into the eyes > can help eye problems. Recently I came across a product called Bio > Life, aka CellFood based on the Everett Storey Formula (ESF) which is > in some ways far more potent than Willard's Water and so more cost > effective. I was going to suggest to my father to drink the ESF as > recommended plus spray a dilution eg 1 drop ESF to 20 or 50 drops > water, in each eye. > > Any comments? > > Garry > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 garry, Veterinarians have had some results reversing cataracts using melatonin. www.lef.org has some onfo on it for that purpose. Type II diabetes is caused by diet & not drinking 6 glasses water daily. LAck of exercise & balanced amino acids also play a part in sugar diabetes. And, has your father stopped all consumption of sweet things & alcohol? Further, gymnema sylvestre is supposed to help the pancreas rebuild itself for insulon production. Finally, both of you read Dr. Batmanghelidj's book, Your Body's MAny Cries For Water, which talks a lot about the causes of sugar diabetes (type II). It explains the interaction of exercise, aminos, water, etc. that cause this disease. jim garry_jb@... wrote: > > My father has cataracts and he is at the stage where he can almost no > longer read. He also has type 2 diabetes. > > Has anyone got any natural cures or suggestions on how to reverse the > condition? > > I have read that it can be caused by long term mineral and vitamin > deficiencies. Also I read that spraying Willard's Water into the eyes > can help eye problems. Recently I came across a product called Bio > Life, aka CellFood based on the Everett Storey Formula (ESF) which is > in some ways far more potent than Willard's Water and so more cost > effective. I was going to suggest to my father to drink the ESF as > recommended plus spray a dilution eg 1 drop ESF to 20 or 50 drops > water, in each eye. > > Any comments? > > Garry > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Garry, I have also read that cataracts respond to MSM eyedrops. Check out Bill Rich's web site at: http://www.richdistributing.com/ There is also an 800# there where you can call their company. Ask them when Bill Rich is around so that you can talk with him. He'll give you lots of information about what he has used MSM for personally. Also might want to check out any information about DMSO or Methylsulfonomethane (aka MSM) out on the web. Carol At 03:32 AM 10/01/2001 +0000, you wrote: >My father has cataracts and he is at the stage where he can almost no >longer read. He also has type 2 diabetes. > >Has anyone got any natural cures or suggestions on how to reverse the >condition? > >I have read that it can be caused by long term mineral and vitamin >deficiencies. Also I read that spraying Willard's Water into the eyes >can help eye problems. Recently I came across a product called Bio >Life, aka CellFood based on the Everett Storey Formula (ESF) which is >in some ways far more potent than Willard's Water and so more cost >effective. I was going to suggest to my father to drink the ESF as >recommended plus spray a dilution eg 1 drop ESF to 20 or 50 drops >water, in each eye. > >Any comments? > >Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Garry, I have also read that cataracts respond to MSM eyedrops. Check out Bill Rich's web site at: http://www.richdistributing.com/ There is also an 800# there where you can call their company. Ask them when Bill Rich is around so that you can talk with him. He'll give you lots of information about what he has used MSM for personally. Also might want to check out any information about DMSO or Methylsulfonomethane (aka MSM) out on the web. Carol At 03:32 AM 10/01/2001 +0000, you wrote: >My father has cataracts and he is at the stage where he can almost no >longer read. He also has type 2 diabetes. > >Has anyone got any natural cures or suggestions on how to reverse the >condition? > >I have read that it can be caused by long term mineral and vitamin >deficiencies. Also I read that spraying Willard's Water into the eyes >can help eye problems. Recently I came across a product called Bio >Life, aka CellFood based on the Everett Storey Formula (ESF) which is >in some ways far more potent than Willard's Water and so more cost >effective. I was going to suggest to my father to drink the ESF as >recommended plus spray a dilution eg 1 drop ESF to 20 or 50 drops >water, in each eye. > >Any comments? > >Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Garry, I have also read that cataracts respond to MSM eyedrops. Check out Bill Rich's web site at: http://www.richdistributing.com/ There is also an 800# there where you can call their company. Ask them when Bill Rich is around so that you can talk with him. He'll give you lots of information about what he has used MSM for personally. Also might want to check out any information about DMSO or Methylsulfonomethane (aka MSM) out on the web. Carol At 03:32 AM 10/01/2001 +0000, you wrote: >My father has cataracts and he is at the stage where he can almost no >longer read. He also has type 2 diabetes. > >Has anyone got any natural cures or suggestions on how to reverse the >condition? > >I have read that it can be caused by long term mineral and vitamin >deficiencies. Also I read that spraying Willard's Water into the eyes >can help eye problems. Recently I came across a product called Bio >Life, aka CellFood based on the Everett Storey Formula (ESF) which is >in some ways far more potent than Willard's Water and so more cost >effective. I was going to suggest to my father to drink the ESF as >recommended plus spray a dilution eg 1 drop ESF to 20 or 50 drops >water, in each eye. > >Any comments? > >Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 << I am jealous of my parents & grandparents renewed vision after cataract surgery, but I am opposed to ANY AND ALL unnecessary surgery, >> I have no quarrel with you, Jim. Considering that last July I was diagnosed (I hate that word) told that I have breast cancer, refused surgery/radiation/chemotherapy, am using some alternatives, but at almost 71 and with no fear of death, I figure that whatever happens, I will follow the advice of Doestoevsky (In Crime and Punishment) " It's better to go wrong in your own way than to go right in somebody else's. " So no argument here. It's just that I couldn't read very long without eye- strain, and the world outside looked pretty dark and fuzzy. I wore distance glasses everywhere and have now discarded them. The first day after the bandage came off, I was startled by a brilliant light outside my window..and realized that it was the sun! So, I'm glad I had the operation which was painless and the local anaesthetic makes you feel delightfully stoned. dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 << I am jealous of my parents & grandparents renewed vision after cataract surgery, but I am opposed to ANY AND ALL unnecessary surgery, >> I have no quarrel with you, Jim. Considering that last July I was diagnosed (I hate that word) told that I have breast cancer, refused surgery/radiation/chemotherapy, am using some alternatives, but at almost 71 and with no fear of death, I figure that whatever happens, I will follow the advice of Doestoevsky (In Crime and Punishment) " It's better to go wrong in your own way than to go right in somebody else's. " So no argument here. It's just that I couldn't read very long without eye- strain, and the world outside looked pretty dark and fuzzy. I wore distance glasses everywhere and have now discarded them. The first day after the bandage came off, I was startled by a brilliant light outside my window..and realized that it was the sun! So, I'm glad I had the operation which was painless and the local anaesthetic makes you feel delightfully stoned. dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Dorothy, I am jealous of my parents & grandparents renewed vision after cataract surgery, but I am opposed to ANY AND ALL unnecessary surgery, and I consider all non-accident related discomforts outside this paradigm, as long as they can be corrected naturally -- except in dangerous circumstances! As a last resort I can get cataract surgery done someday, but if my eyes continue improving I won't need that. There are some surgeries that do indeed offer complete relief, but relief from what? In my opinion, it is usually relief from stubborn, ignorant lifestyle/diet habits that caused the problem in the first place. Changing the diet/lifestyle habit that incurred the wrath of God makes more sense to me than cutting out ANY body part I was born with! Period! This is not a philosophy I have learned. It runs counter to, literally, all of my family. I just know these things to be true! Surgery on the body is a LAST resort scenario! End of subject, IMO! And, I recommend to anyone thinking of this (or any) surgery, first, check into nutritional alternatives! jim dbates3809@... wrote: > > Though I avoid traditional medicine almost totally, I recently had an > operation > for cataracts which was so simple, painless, and effective that I must say > that > if your father has insurance that provides for the " implant " operation, (and > my insurance is one I get for my medicare payments) it is well worth doing. > I couldn't read for very long and everything out of doors looked brown and > fuzzy. > Now, I don't wear distance glasses at all. The only negative is that now I > can > see dust and dirt in my apartment that I never saw, and looking in the mirror > and Really seeing the lines and wrinkles is a bit of a shock. dorothy > -- Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people seem bright until you hear them speak. --Lou Rubinacci jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Dorothy, I am jealous of my parents & grandparents renewed vision after cataract surgery, but I am opposed to ANY AND ALL unnecessary surgery, and I consider all non-accident related discomforts outside this paradigm, as long as they can be corrected naturally -- except in dangerous circumstances! As a last resort I can get cataract surgery done someday, but if my eyes continue improving I won't need that. There are some surgeries that do indeed offer complete relief, but relief from what? In my opinion, it is usually relief from stubborn, ignorant lifestyle/diet habits that caused the problem in the first place. Changing the diet/lifestyle habit that incurred the wrath of God makes more sense to me than cutting out ANY body part I was born with! Period! This is not a philosophy I have learned. It runs counter to, literally, all of my family. I just know these things to be true! Surgery on the body is a LAST resort scenario! End of subject, IMO! And, I recommend to anyone thinking of this (or any) surgery, first, check into nutritional alternatives! jim dbates3809@... wrote: > > Though I avoid traditional medicine almost totally, I recently had an > operation > for cataracts which was so simple, painless, and effective that I must say > that > if your father has insurance that provides for the " implant " operation, (and > my insurance is one I get for my medicare payments) it is well worth doing. > I couldn't read for very long and everything out of doors looked brown and > fuzzy. > Now, I don't wear distance glasses at all. The only negative is that now I > can > see dust and dirt in my apartment that I never saw, and looking in the mirror > and Really seeing the lines and wrinkles is a bit of a shock. dorothy > -- Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people seem bright until you hear them speak. --Lou Rubinacci jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 My father has already had an operation on one eye where he was promised great results. The operation was a complete failure and actually made his eyesight worse. He was scheduled for another operation but was reluctant to go ahead. He would prefer to try a nutritional or herbal approach. I found another possibility and that is Dr 's Herbal Eyewash (http://www.herballegacy.com/id532.htm), the testimonials sound great. The MSM eyedrops looks good as well but the FDA has ordered a major recall on this product due to a reported bacterial contamination. Thanks for all the info Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 My father has already had an operation on one eye where he was promised great results. The operation was a complete failure and actually made his eyesight worse. He was scheduled for another operation but was reluctant to go ahead. He would prefer to try a nutritional or herbal approach. I found another possibility and that is Dr 's Herbal Eyewash (http://www.herballegacy.com/id532.htm), the testimonials sound great. The MSM eyedrops looks good as well but the FDA has ordered a major recall on this product due to a reported bacterial contamination. Thanks for all the info Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 I made my own using distilled water,MSM,colloidal silver. Chuck OK, so what's the speed of dark? >The MSM eyedrops looks good as well but the FDA has ordered a major >recall on this product due to a reported bacterial contamination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 I made my own using distilled water,MSM,colloidal silver. Chuck OK, so what's the speed of dark? >The MSM eyedrops looks good as well but the FDA has ordered a major >recall on this product due to a reported bacterial contamination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 Garry, Idea on the MSM would be to find out how they made the eye drops. My guess is that the crystals were added to saline eye drops that had a preservative in it, but I don't know ! Obviously, the problem is sterility. If you bought saline-type eye drops at the pharmacy that had a preservative, or if you bought those little individual containers of saline eye drops with no preservative (that are used by contact lens users), and then added crystals to either.... I wonder if the product would be considered " safe " ? Don't know. Just an idea. I'd talk to some of the manufacturers about it. Find out if they used a saline base, or if they just used distilled water as a base. You would need to know the concentration of the solution that was marketed as an eye drop. If they let you know that information, then it is a matter of math to figure out how to do it at home. I've not tried this myself, but just an idea. Carol At 02:25 AM 10/03/2001 +0000, you wrote: >My father has already had an operation on one eye where he was >promised great results. The operation was a complete failure and >actually made his eyesight worse. He was scheduled for another >operation but was reluctant to go ahead. He would prefer to try a >nutritional or herbal approach. > >I found another possibility and that is Dr 's Herbal >Eyewash >(<http://www.herballegacy.com/id532.htm),>http://www.herballegacy.com/id532.htm\ ), >the testimonials >sound great. > >The MSM eyedrops looks good as well but the FDA has ordered a major >recall on this product due to a reported bacterial contamination. > >Thanks for all the info > >Garry > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 Garry, Idea on the MSM would be to find out how they made the eye drops. My guess is that the crystals were added to saline eye drops that had a preservative in it, but I don't know ! Obviously, the problem is sterility. If you bought saline-type eye drops at the pharmacy that had a preservative, or if you bought those little individual containers of saline eye drops with no preservative (that are used by contact lens users), and then added crystals to either.... I wonder if the product would be considered " safe " ? Don't know. Just an idea. I'd talk to some of the manufacturers about it. Find out if they used a saline base, or if they just used distilled water as a base. You would need to know the concentration of the solution that was marketed as an eye drop. If they let you know that information, then it is a matter of math to figure out how to do it at home. I've not tried this myself, but just an idea. Carol At 02:25 AM 10/03/2001 +0000, you wrote: >My father has already had an operation on one eye where he was >promised great results. The operation was a complete failure and >actually made his eyesight worse. He was scheduled for another >operation but was reluctant to go ahead. He would prefer to try a >nutritional or herbal approach. > >I found another possibility and that is Dr 's Herbal >Eyewash >(<http://www.herballegacy.com/id532.htm),>http://www.herballegacy.com/id532.htm\ ), >the testimonials >sound great. > >The MSM eyedrops looks good as well but the FDA has ordered a major >recall on this product due to a reported bacterial contamination. > >Thanks for all the info > >Garry > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 Garry, Idea on the MSM would be to find out how they made the eye drops. My guess is that the crystals were added to saline eye drops that had a preservative in it, but I don't know ! Obviously, the problem is sterility. If you bought saline-type eye drops at the pharmacy that had a preservative, or if you bought those little individual containers of saline eye drops with no preservative (that are used by contact lens users), and then added crystals to either.... I wonder if the product would be considered " safe " ? Don't know. Just an idea. I'd talk to some of the manufacturers about it. Find out if they used a saline base, or if they just used distilled water as a base. You would need to know the concentration of the solution that was marketed as an eye drop. If they let you know that information, then it is a matter of math to figure out how to do it at home. I've not tried this myself, but just an idea. Carol At 02:25 AM 10/03/2001 +0000, you wrote: >My father has already had an operation on one eye where he was >promised great results. The operation was a complete failure and >actually made his eyesight worse. He was scheduled for another >operation but was reluctant to go ahead. He would prefer to try a >nutritional or herbal approach. > >I found another possibility and that is Dr 's Herbal >Eyewash >(<http://www.herballegacy.com/id532.htm),>http://www.herballegacy.com/id532.htm\ ), >the testimonials >sound great. > >The MSM eyedrops looks good as well but the FDA has ordered a major >recall on this product due to a reported bacterial contamination. > >Thanks for all the info > >Garry > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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