Re: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

[Guest guest]

,

I'm honored to be -- for the first time -- a "resident expert" on

anything.

Surprisingly enough, I never did get a skin reaction that was

negative. Even the major too-much-too-soon detox I experienced (the

lymph impaction and swollen arm) did not involve the skin. However,

on the positive side, I have been using the Lugols/oils combo with

great success to reverse the more-than-decade long actinic keratosis

(a possibily pre-cancerous condition) on my lower arms and hands and

to greatly mitigate the rosacea on my face. I still get the

occasional pimple on my face, but I get compliments on my complexion

now -- owing in part, I think, to an increased blood flow from the

iodine.

On 6/22/2011 2:56 AM, B wrote:

Luci-- has used external application of Lugol's

extensively and is

really our resident expert on the matter.

-- did you ever get a skin reaction?

--

At 03:33 AM 6/22/2011, you wrote:

>Luci,

>

>Your daughter should mix the Lugol's with the oils

before application. If

>using coconut and/or castor oils, these will help --

not hinder --

>absorption of the iodine to deeper levels of the body.

Very likely olive

>oil will help absorption as well. (I'm not sure what

you mean by "creams"

>but she shouldn't use anything that wouldn't be

healthy to eat.) There

>shouldn't be any burning or peeling, but she is best

advised to measure

>the amounts of Lugol's she applies in case she is

really overdoing

>it. Contrary to what the iodine docs say regarding

limited effectiveness

>of transdermal application -- using that method only,

I have easily

>overdone the milligram amounts I can tolerate without

serious detox

>overload. She needs to measure the Lugol's so she can

add or subtract as

>needed.

>

>

>

>On 6/21/2011 8:28 PM, luci535 wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>I have both plus olive oil and creams. So, based

on your response, could

>>she put the iodine on and then a few minutes after

put coconut oil or

>>olive oil on? It won't block any absorption/action

on the nodules?

>>Thanks very much!

>>Have a blessed evening,

>>Luci

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

,

I have rosacea. I am wondering how you go about using it on your face? Do you do it even if you do not have a breakout?

Has anyone tried using emu oil with the iodine? I am using it on my face and it seems to help my rosacea some, but does not make it go away completely. The oil is very soothing.

Thanks,

Jeannie

Re: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

,I'm honored to be -- for the first time -- a "resident expert" on anything. :)Surprisingly enough, I never did get a skin reaction that was negative. Even the major too-much-too-soon detox I experienced (the lymph impaction and swollen arm) did not involve the skin. However, on the positive side, I have been using the Lugols/oils combo with great success to reverse the more-than-decade long actinic keratosis (a possibily pre-cancerous condition) on my lower arms and hands and to greatly mitigate the rosacea on my face. I still get the occasional pimple on my face, but I get compliments on my complexion now -- owing in part, I think, to an increased blood flow from the iodine. On 6/22/2011 2:56 AM, B wrote:

Luci-- has used external application of Lugol's extensively and is really our resident expert on the matter.-- did you ever get a skin reaction?--At 03:33 AM 6/22/2011, you wrote:>Luci,>>Your daughter should mix the Lugol's with the oils before application. If >using coconut and/or castor oils, these will help -- not hinder -- >absorption of the iodine to deeper levels of the body. Very likely olive >oil will help absorption as well. (I'm not sure what you mean by "creams" >but she shouldn't use anything that wouldn't be healthy to eat.) There >shouldn't be any burning or peeling, but she is best advised to measure >the amounts of Lugol's she applies in case she is really overdoing >it. Contrary to what the iodine docs say regarding limited effectiveness >of transdermal application -- using that method only, I have easily >overdone the milligram amounts I can tolerate without serious detox >overload. She needs to measure the Lugol's so she can add or subtract as >needed.>>>>On 6/21/2011 8:28 PM, luci535 wrote:>>>>>>>>I have both plus olive oil and creams. So, based on your response, could >>she put the iodine on and then a few minutes after put coconut oil or >>olive oil on? It won't block any absorption/action on the nodules?>>Thanks very much!>>Have a blessed evening,>>Luci~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Have you been using the iodine topically for the rosacea? I've noticed a small improvement since starting iodine orally, but I hadn't thought of putting it on my face, I guess I could try it at night. I'm guessing that is what you do if you use it topically.

Higgins

http://becomingaspecialneedsadvocate.blogspot.com/

Re: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

,

I'm honored to be -- for the first time -- a "resident expert" on

anything.

Surprisingly enough, I never did get a skin reaction that was

negative. Even the major too-much-too-soon detox I experienced (the

lymph impaction and swollen arm) did not involve the skin. However,

on the positive side, I have been using the Lugols/oils combo with

great success to reverse the more-than-decade long actinic keratosis

(a possibily pre-cancerous condition) on my lower arms and hands and

to greatly mitigate the rosacea on my face. I still get the

occasional pimple on my face, but I get compliments on my complexion

now -- owing in part, I think, to an increased blood flow from the

iodine.

On 6/22/2011 2:56 AM, B wrote:

Luci-- has used external application of Lugol's

extensively and is

really our resident expert on the matter.

-- did you ever get a skin reaction?

--

At 03:33 AM 6/22/2011, you wrote:

>Luci,

>

>Your daughter should mix the Lugol's with the oils

before application. If

>using coconut and/or castor oils, these will help --

not hinder --

>absorption of the iodine to deeper levels of the body.

Very likely olive

>oil will help absorption as well. (I'm not sure what

you mean by "creams"

>but she shouldn't use anything that wouldn't be

healthy to eat.) There

>shouldn't be any burning or peeling, but she is best

advised to measure

>the amounts of Lugol's she applies in case she is

really overdoing

>it. Contrary to what the iodine docs say regarding

limited effectiveness

>of transdermal application -- using that method only,

I have easily

>overdone the milligram amounts I can tolerate without

serious detox

>overload. She needs to measure the Lugol's so she can

add or subtract as

>needed.

>

>

>

>On 6/21/2011 8:28 PM, luci535 wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>I have both plus olive oil and creams. So, based

on your response, could

>>she put the iodine on and then a few minutes after

put coconut oil or

>>olive oil on? It won't block any absorption/action

on the nodules?

>>Thanks very much!

>>Have a blessed evening,

>>Luci

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Jeannie and ,

For many months I used the "combo" on my face every morning,

regardless of the state of the rosacea, simply massaging it in. 

I used it in the morning because a nighttime application

disturbed my sleep and messed up my pillow.  It was absorbed

completely in the hour or two before I had to go to work.  (For

an especially offensive pimple, I would apply a drop of iodine

directly at night.) I was also using the combo on various other

trouble spots on my body.  As time passed, the amount of Lugol's

rose from 25 mg to over 125 mg. (the later turning out to be

waay too much in terms of the resulting detox.)

I don't consider the rosacea completely cured yet but my skin

really does look very good most of the time and, since I have

had to lower the mg amount of Lugol's I use (back down to 25 mg

for the time being and I'm not sure how high I'll go in the

future), and I still have other body areas to deal with, I only

do my face once a week now -- usually after a shower, when the

pores are open from heat.

Before I developed rosacea in my old age, I had life-long acne

(well, from my teen years).  It really makes me happy to finally

have nice looking skin.  Well, of course there are some wrinkles

now.

 

[Guest guest]



,

That is great to hear of your improvements. What do you mean by "combo"?

What happens when you detox too much?

Thanks for your time,

Jeannie

Re: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

Jeannie and ,For many months I used the "combo" on my face every morning, regardless of the state of the rosacea, simply massaging it in. I used it in the morning because a nighttime application disturbed my sleep and messed up my pillow. It was absorbed completely in the hour or two before I had to go to work. (For an especially offensive pimple, I would apply a drop of iodine directly at night.) I was also using the combo on various other trouble spots on my body. As time passed, the amount of Lugol's rose from 25 mg to over 125 mg. (the later turning out to be waay too much in terms of the resulting detox.)I don't consider the rosacea completely cured yet but my skin really does look very good most of the time and, since I have had to lower the mg amount of Lugol's I use (back down to 25 mg for the time being and I'm not sure how high I'll go in the future), and I still have other body areas to deal with, I only do my face once a week now -- usually after a shower, when the pores are open from heat.Before I developed rosacea in my old age, I had life-long acne (well, from my teen years). It really makes me happy to finally have nice looking skin. Well, of course there are some wrinkles now.

[Guest guest]

Jeannie,

By "combo" I mean the combination of castor oil, coconut oil and

Lugols 5% that I use for transdermal application.  I had only one

really bad detox experience, several months ago, when the amount of

toxins being released overpowered my body's abilities to eliminate

them.  The lymph glands in the left side of my neck (which is the

major dumping place for toxins) swelled up to the extent that they

pressed against major blood vessels in my upper chest causing a

clotting action.  My left arm then swelled to enormous proportions

(lymphedema).  The saga is detailed in a thread in the archives with

a title of something like "Not Sure What Happened to Me" and should

be easy to find under my name, West.

On 6/23/2011 7:17 AM, Jeannie wrote:

 



, 

 

That is great to hear of

your improvements.  What do you mean by "combo"?

 

What happens when you

detox too much?

 

Thanks for your time,

 

Jeannie

 

 

Re:

Re: Just started Iodine therapy

 

Jeannie and ,

For many months I used the "combo" on my face every

morning, regardless of the state of the rosacea,

simply massaging it in.  I used it in the morning

because a nighttime application disturbed my sleep

and messed up my pillow.  It was absorbed completely

in the hour or two before I had to go to work.  (For

an especially offensive pimple, I would apply a drop

of iodine directly at night.) I was also using the

combo on various other trouble spots on my body.  As

time passed, the amount of Lugol's rose from 25 mg

to over 125 mg. (the later turning out to be waay

too much in terms of the resulting detox.)

I don't consider the rosacea completely cured yet

but my skin really does look very good most of the

time and, since I have had to lower the mg amount of

Lugol's I use (back down to 25 mg for the time being

and I'm not sure how high I'll go in the future),

and I still have other body areas to deal with, I

only do my face once a week now -- usually after a

shower, when the pores are open from heat.

Before I developed rosacea in my old age, I had

life-long acne (well, from my teen years).  It

really makes me happy to finally have nice looking

skin.  Well, of course there are some wrinkles now.

 

[Guest guest]

,You still have my interest here on the rosacea issue.I have gathered that you are adding drops equaling 25 mg or more to the oil combo.Do you then put it all on your face?Are you using equal amounts of the 2 oils?Thanks,JudyThey that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever. Ps. 124:1



,

That is great to hear of

your improvements. What do you mean by "combo"?

What happens when you

detox too much?

Thanks for your time,

Jeannie

Re:

Re: Just started Iodine therapy

Jeannie and ,

For many months I used the "combo" on my face every

morning, regardless of the state of the rosacea,

simply massaging it in. I used it in the morning

because a nighttime application disturbed my sleep

and messed up my pillow. It was absorbed completely

in the hour or two before I had to go to work. (For

an especially offensive pimple, I would apply a drop

of iodine directly at night.) I was also using the

combo on various other trouble spots on my body. As

time passed, the amount of Lugol's rose from 25 mg

to over 125 mg. (the later turning out to be waay

too much in terms of the resulting detox.)

I don't consider the rosacea completely cured yet

but my skin really does look very good most of the

time and, since I have had to lower the mg amount of

Lugol's I use (back down to 25 mg for the time being

and I'm not sure how high I'll go in the future),

and I still have other body areas to deal with, I

only do my face once a week now -- usually after a

shower, when the pores are open from heat.

Before I developed rosacea in my old age, I had

life-long acne (well, from my teen years). It

really makes me happy to finally have nice looking

skin. Well, of course there are some wrinkles now.

[Guest guest]

Judy,

Yes, the 4 drops = 25 mg (with 5% Lugols).  I use a teensy spoon

(something like a salt spoon) made of bamboo to measure out the two

oils (same approximate amount of each) into a miniscule glass bowl

(some people would use to hold spices for a cooking fest) and I do

the mixing with that spoon (metal implements are not advised.)

The measuring of the oils is not all that exact and sometimes I have

enough for face and neck and maybe something like the inside my nose

(if it is stuffy).   When I was using around 125 mgs of Lugols, I

used a lot more of the oils and usually had enough for getting to

all necessary body parts in a single session.  But now I don't try

to spread the the 25 mg. dosage past one focused area at a time.

The rational behind using these two oils:  the castor oil is

unusually (perhaps uniquely) good at penetrating deep into the body

where it is very healing and the coconut oil (which is also healing

in its own right) makes for easier spreading and quicker absorption.

I use the combo for many different parts of the body, sometimes

internally (nostrils, vagina, ears), and for lots of different

reasons.  Most days of the week, though, I am focused on the problem

I mentioned before:  the actinic keratosis on the lower arms and

hands.  Although this has been the area, so far, of the most

remarkable healing, and I have no active lesions anywhere, the skin

there is still not as smooth in coloring as I feel it can and should

be, so this is where I currently am focused -- not for cosmetic

reasons, but for insurance against any threat of skin cancer.  If

that is more iodine than is needed there, I feel sure that my body

is smart enough to cart off the excess to where it is needed. 

On 6/23/2011 1:21 PM, Judith Marg wrote:

 

,

You still have my interest here on the rosacea

issue.

I have gathered that you are adding drops equaling

25 mg or more to the oil combo.

Do you then put it all on your face?

Are you using equal amounts of the 2 oils?

Thanks,

Judy

They that trust in the LORD shall be as mount

Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for

ever. Ps. 124:1

 



, 

 

That

is great to hear of your

improvements.  What do you mean by

"combo"?

 

What

happens when you detox too much?

 

Thanks

for your time,

 

Jeannie

 

 

-----

Original Message -----

From:

clairewest

To:

iodine

Sent:

Wednesday, June 22, 2011 11:20 AM

Subject:

Re: Re: Just started Iodine

therapy

 

Jeannie

and ,

For many months I used the

"combo" on my face every

morning, regardless of the state

of the rosacea, simply massaging

it in.  I used it in the morning

because a nighttime application

disturbed my sleep and messed up

my pillow.  It was absorbed

completely in the hour or two

before I had to go to work. 

(For an especially offensive

pimple, I would apply a drop of

iodine directly at night.) I was

also using the combo on various

other trouble spots on my body. 

As time passed, the amount of

Lugol's rose from 25 mg to over

125 mg. (the later turning out

to be waay too much in terms of

the resulting detox.)

I don't consider the rosacea

completely cured yet but my skin

really does look very good most

of the time and, since I have

had to lower the mg amount of

Lugol's I use (back down to 25

mg for the time being and I'm

not sure how high I'll go in the

future), and I still have other

body areas to deal with, I only

do my face once a week now --

usually after a shower, when the

pores are open from heat.

Before I developed rosacea in my

old age, I had life-long acne

(well, from my teen years).  It

really makes me happy to finally

have nice looking skin.  Well,

of course there are some

wrinkles now.

 

[Guest guest]



, that is interesting that you say that toxins tend to dump on the left side. My daughter had a painful egg sized lymph node in her left armpit and her left tonsil was shockingly huge for about a year and a half at the onset of her vaccine triggered illness. A doctor at Mayo said it was nothing and that it was just noticeable because she was petite, which I thought was odd. I wonder now if it was due to toxin accumulation? Do you have any good links that discuss that sort of accumulation?

I found your entry. What a frightening ordeal. Do you feel as though you have recovered well from that? I saw you were getting some sort of mini tramp. I have heard those are good for supporting lymph drainage.

Thanks for your support!

Jeannie

Re: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

Jeannie and ,For many months I used the "combo" on my face every morning, regardless of the state of the rosacea, simply massaging it in. I used it in the morning because a nighttime application disturbed my sleep and messed up my pillow. It was absorbed completely in the hour or two before I had to go to work. (For an especially offensive pimple, I would apply a drop of iodine directly at night.) I was also using the combo on various other trouble spots on my body. As time passed, the amount of Lugol's rose from 25 mg to over 125 mg. (the later turning out to be waay too much in terms of the resulting detox.)I don't consider the rosacea completely cured yet but my skin really does look very good most of the time and, since I have had to lower the mg amount of Lugol's I use (back down to 25 mg for the time being and I'm not sure how high I'll go in the future), and I still have other body areas to deal with, I only do my face once a week now -- usually after a shower, when the pores are open from heat.Before I developed rosacea in my old age, I had life-long acne (well, from my teen years). It really makes me happy to finally have nice looking skin. Well, of course there are some wrinkles now.

[Guest guest]

, have you tried Essiac? It's a combination of 4 herbs that help to dissolve tumors. A good friend of mine had colon cancer and used it - within a month the grapefruit-sized tumor was completely gone. She has proof becasue she started the Essiac as soon as she was diagnosed with it. She went back 4 weeks later and it was totally gone.

You can get it at any health food store.ArielOn Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote:

 

Cancer is not the tumor. It is a systemic disease. If you don't correct the whole system, the cancer will just come back, or you will get a different cancer, because the cancer process is still at work.

A woman I knew was declared totally (breast) cancer-free after grueling treatment -- only to have the cancer roar back worse than ever & kill her. (She may have lived longer, but much of that time was spent puking.)

A cousin of my husband's had ovarian cancer, went through horrendous treatment for that, & then developed colon cancer. (The docs were at great pains to explain to the family that the second cancer was NOT a recurrence of the first. They were completely different cancers under the microscope. But she's dead anyway, so I'm guessing that distinction doesn't mean much to her.)

This is completely aside from the problem that some mainstream cancer treatment tends to be carcinogenic. (There is research that shows quite clearly that people who were aggressively treated for cancer in childhood tend to develop OTHER cancers...)

One consideration here is that if you are able to REVERSE your cancer with holistic methods, that would suggest that you are curing the whole system. Your tumor is an indicator of your progress. If you remove the tumor, how will you know if what you are doing is really healing the whole system? If you can look at it as though it were a warning light on your dashboard, perhaps that would help?

I know -- hard to love your cancer. Hard not to be afraid of it. It would help a whole lot if you had some progress...You are right that fear isn't good for you. Is there any way for you to meet people who are having the proposed treatment? Most of the time, when we are told our options, we don't really understand them deeply. Maybe more information would help you make a decision you were comfortable with? Although you have to be careful to observe how they look & behave as much as what they say. Sometimes people are too accepting of their illness...

AnneOn Jun 20, 2011, at 2:24 AM, Kuziw wrote:

 

Actually I wrote to Dr Flechas when I first found out I had papillary cancer and his advice was to have a TT and then treat with iodine.

 

It's interesting what you say about treating with iodine takes time etc., but it is so hard to keep positive and sure about what you are doing!  In my case, (I was diagnosed in Dec 09) I have not yet agreed to the op because I wanted to strengthen my body first and treat holistically (have also recently started with armour so am waiting to see what changes that will bring) - however, although there is no apparent growth, there is still no real reduction in my thyroid " lump " and I'm coming to the conclusion that maybe it would be better to have the TT (not the RAI) and continue with the holistic therapies without the constant worry in my head as to whether I am doing the right thing holding off etc. I have read the reports that say actually if you do nothing and don't have your thyroid out, you have as much chance of living a long life - the only thing is, I don't want to be one of the

ones where sadly that isn't the case.

 

Of course I know everyone is different, any more views out there please? I know there are a few of us in this boat? 

 

From: dutchdivco <jdutchmanjim@...>

iodine Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2011, 23:48Subject: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

 

JUST cause someone has initials in front of their name, like DR, doesn't mean they know what they are doing, just that they are 'practicing'.Sounds, just going from the post, like he may have been practicing too long? I mean its GOOD that he didn't immediately say " Cut it out " , like most Drrrrrrs, and that the surgeon was also conservative,but come on! Jim

> > > > > > > Hi Everyone - I'm a patient of Dr. Flechas and he just started me on 100mg Iodoral per day with ATP Co-Factors. I have a multi-nodular goiter that is growing a lot and

now it has a " solid nodule " that is really scary sounding as it is associated with malignancy.> > > > > > > > I've had 3 ultrasounds in 3 years and it is constantly growing. Three months ago Flechas put me on 75mg/day of colloidal silver in order to shrink it, but that didn't work. (Three months work of silver treatment = $150.) I had one biopsy about 2 years ago and back then the pathologist said it had a 1% chance of being cancer, but now this " solid nodule " has reared it's ugly head.

> > > > > > > > Flechas didn't seem to want to proceed to iodine therapy. He said " I'd like to try you on 3 months of colloidal silver to see if that shrinks it " and I said " I just came off of 3 months of colloidal silver. " Duh! This was not a warm fuzzy! Now I have extreme doubts as to his sanity, or maybe eyesight. Also, the iodine is causing sleeplessness.

> > > > > > > >

My other doc sent me to see the surgeon last Christmas and the surgeon said that it didn't look that bad, just to keep an eye on it, but that was 6 months ago. Yes, a surgeon actually didn't recommend surgery! I've got another appt with the same surgeon this month to see if his opinion has changed in light of the " solid nodule " .

> > > > > > > > What I'd like to know now is:> > > > 1) How likely is the iodine to " fix " this?> > > > 2) Should I get another biopsy?> > > > 3) Should I get it yanked out?

> > > > 4) Are there any good alternatives to RAI?> > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your input!> > > > Laurel> > > > > > > >

> > >> >>

-- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue

[Guest guest]

Hey Ariel, I am taking essiac for my colon cancer. Do you know how much your friend was taking/drinking a day? Was she doing anything else or just the tea? Let me knowBenFrom: Ariel Monserrat <wolvenwood@...>iodine Sent: Thu, June 23, 2011 2:53:09 PMSubject:

Re: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

, have you tried Essiac? It's a combination of 4 herbs that help to dissolve tumors. A good friend of mine had colon cancer and used it - within a month the grapefruit-sized tumor was completely gone. She has proof becasue she started the Essiac as soon as she was diagnosed with it. She went back 4 weeks later and it was totally gone.

You can get it at any health food store.ArielOn Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote:

Cancer is not the tumor. It is a systemic disease. If you don't correct the whole system, the cancer will just come back, or you will get a different cancer, because the cancer process is still at work.

A woman I knew was declared totally (breast) cancer-free after grueling treatment -- only to have the cancer roar back worse than ever & kill her. (She may have lived longer, but much of that time was spent puking.)

A cousin of my husband's had ovarian cancer, went through horrendous treatment for that, & then developed colon cancer. (The docs were at great pains to explain to the family that the second cancer was NOT a recurrence of the first. They were completely different cancers under the microscope. But she's dead anyway, so I'm guessing that distinction doesn't mean much to her.)

This is completely aside from the problem that some mainstream cancer treatment tends to be carcinogenic. (There is research that shows quite clearly that people who were aggressively treated for cancer in childhood tend to develop OTHER cancers...)

One consideration here is that if you are able to REVERSE your cancer with holistic methods, that would suggest that you are curing the whole system. Your tumor is an indicator of your progress. If you remove the tumor, how will you know if what you are doing is really healing the whole system? If you can look at it as though it were a warning light on your dashboard, perhaps that would help?

I know -- hard to love your cancer. Hard not to be afraid of it. It would help a whole lot if you had some progress...You are right that fear isn't good for you. Is there any way for you to meet people who are having the proposed treatment? Most of the time, when we are told our options, we don't really understand them deeply. Maybe more information would help you make a decision you were comfortable with? Although you have to be careful to observe how they look & behave as much as what they say. Sometimes people are too accepting of their illness...

AnneOn Jun 20, 2011, at 2:24 AM, Kuziw wrote:

Actually I wrote to Dr Flechas when I first found out I had papillary cancer and his advice was to have a TT and then treat with iodine.

It's interesting what you say about treating with iodine takes time etc., but it is so hard to keep positive and sure about what you are doing! In my case, (I was diagnosed in Dec 09) I have not yet agreed to the op because I wanted to strengthen my body first and treat holistically (have also recently started with armour so am waiting to see what changes that will bring) - however, although there is no apparent growth, there is still no real reduction in my thyroid "lump" and I'm coming to the conclusion that maybe it would be better to have the TT (not the RAI) and continue with the holistic therapies without the constant worry in my head as to whether I am doing the right thing holding off etc. I have read the reports that say actually if you do nothing and don't have your thyroid out, you have as much chance of living a long life - the only thing is, I don't want to be one of the

ones where sadly that isn't the case.

Of course I know everyone is different, any more views out there please? I know there are a few of us in this boat?

From: dutchdivco <jdutchmanjim@...>

iodine Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2011, 23:48Subject: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

JUST cause someone has initials in front of their name, like DR, doesn't mean they know what they are doing, just that they are 'practicing'.Sounds, just going from the post, like he may have been practicing too long? I mean its GOOD that he didn't immediately say "Cut it out", like most Drrrrrrs, and that the surgeon was also conservative,but come on! Jim

> > > > > > > Hi Everyone - I'm a patient of Dr. Flechas and he just started me on 100mg Iodoral per day with ATP Co-Factors. I have a multi-nodular goiter that is growing a lot and

now it has a "solid nodule" that is really scary sounding as it is associated with malignancy.> > > > > > > > I've had 3 ultrasounds in 3 years and it is constantly growing. Three months ago Flechas put me on 75mg/day of colloidal silver in order to shrink it, but that didn't work. (Three months work of silver treatment = $150.) I had one biopsy about 2 years ago and back then the pathologist said it had a 1% chance of being cancer, but now this "solid nodule" has reared it's ugly head.

> > > > > > > > Flechas didn't seem to want to proceed to iodine therapy. He said "I'd like to try you on 3 months of colloidal silver to see if that shrinks it" and I said "I just came off of 3 months of colloidal silver." Duh! This was not a warm fuzzy! Now I have extreme doubts as to his sanity, or maybe eyesight. Also, the iodine is causing sleeplessness.

> > > > > > > >

My other doc sent me to see the surgeon last Christmas and the surgeon said that it didn't look that bad, just to keep an eye on it, but that was 6 months ago. Yes, a surgeon actually didn't recommend surgery! I've got another appt with the same surgeon this month to see if his opinion has changed in light of the "solid nodule".

> > > > > > > > What I'd like to know now is:> > > > 1) How likely is the iodine to "fix" this?> > > > 2) Should I get another biopsy?> > > > 3) Should I get it yanked out?

> > > > 4) Are there any good alternatives to RAI?> > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your input!> > > > Laurel> > > > > > > >

> > >> >>

-- "Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring."-Tom Donohue

[Guest guest]

Jeannie,

I wish I knew of some good links on the lymphatic system.  Usually,

I'm pretty good at googling for things, and I certainly tried during

the time I was seeking answers, but apart from the basic science, I

really couldn't find a much that was helpful re: detoxification and

I can't even remember where I got the "left side" info.  It might be

an oriental rather than a western concept. 

Recently someone posted on this forum about her arm swelling,

apparently from the use of iodine, and I directed her to my old

thread.  I don't remember if she said it was her left arm, but that

would be interesting to know.  Perhaps she'll read this and post.

I have made an excellent recovery.  My left arm is now the same size

as my right, but the progress to normalcy has been slow and there

still remains a slighter thicker "feel" (with massaging) to that arm

in comparison to the right, and the color tone of the skin is a

barely noticeable shade different from the right -- not stuff that

anyone but me would notice.  I expect a complete healing with time.

I can't say enough good things about the mini trampoline.    I was

very weak when I started, could only do a few minutes, and had to

hang on to the kitchen counter and bounce with my heels never

leaving the fabric.  Now I'm going for 12 minutes, not hanging on,

and some of the time jumping with my feet completely off the

fabric.  I do an advanced Tai Chi/Ballet form three times a week and

I'm stronger and have much better balance for that now.  I think the

trampoline was a major factor in the reversal of the swelling of my

arm (lymphedema) which was supposed an impossibility.

On 6/23/2011 2:53 PM, Jeannie wrote:

 



, that is interesting that

you say that toxins tend to dump on the left side.  My

daughter had a painful egg sized lymph node in her left

armpit and her left tonsil was shockingly huge for about

a year and a half at the onset of her vaccine triggered

illness.  A doctor at Mayo said it was nothing and that

it was just noticeable because she was petite, which I

thought was odd.  I wonder now if it was due to toxin

accumulation?  Do you have any good links that discuss

that sort of accumulation?

 

I found your entry. What a

frightening ordeal.  Do you feel as though you have

recovered well from that?  I saw you were getting some

sort of mini tramp.  I have heard those are good for

supporting lymph drainage.

 

Thanks for your support!

 

Jeannie

 

 

Re: Re: Just started

Iodine therapy

 

Jeannie and

,

For many months I used the

"combo" on my face every

morning, regardless of the

state of the rosacea, simply

massaging it in.  I used it

in the morning because a

nighttime application

disturbed my sleep and

messed up my pillow.  It was

absorbed completely in the

hour or two before I had to

go to work.  (For an

especially offensive pimple,

I would apply a drop of

iodine directly at night.) I

was also using the combo on

various other trouble spots

on my body.  As time passed,

the amount of Lugol's rose

from 25 mg to over 125 mg.

(the later turning out to be

waay too much in terms of

the resulting detox.)

I don't consider the rosacea

completely cured yet but my

skin really does look very

good most of the time and,

since I have had to lower

the mg amount of Lugol's I

use (back down to 25 mg for

the time being and I'm not

sure how high I'll go in the

future), and I still have

other body areas to deal

with, I only do my face once

a week now -- usually after

a shower, when the pores are

open from heat.

Before I developed rosacea

in my old age, I had

life-long acne (well, from

my teen years).  It really

makes me happy to finally

have nice looking skin. 

Well, of course there are

some wrinkles now.

 

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

That was me with the swollen arm, though mine was my right arm and hand. I didn't have it nearly as rough as you. My swelling was only slight, but it hurt like crazy for a couple of days. I would imagine you had pretty significant pain! Mine felt like a sprain at first and got worse, but now the swelling after a week and a half is pretty much gone, just a little still in my hand but without the pain. I didn't read your story, I think I was a bit fearful - but also really sick with other stuff at the same time. I had bronchitis and sinusitis and the swelling and the pain so I pretty much went to bed and came out a few days later thanks to my husband who kept things going while I was down.

It's interesting though, we have both had a lot of skin stuff too, my main reason for thinking iodine and getting off levoxyl for my thyroid and on NT are the best things in the world even though I don't really feel all that great yet! At least I don't have constant itching and sores all over my body - still some left after a couple of months, but well on the way to normal again. I think my body was trying to detox before I even started with iodine and it was coming out anywhere it could. I felt like a leper. And if anyone saw how bad I looked they looked at me like I was too. I went to an infectious diseases doc who thought I must be HIV positive, he said he'd never seen anyone without full blown AIDS that looked as bad as me. Of course that was comforting! NOT. So much for what the established medical guys know. I know if I keep it up I will start to feel better in time - my cholesterol is getting better (still bad but better) and I feel like I am coming back to life. It's slower than I would like, but it's happening. Sorry, I kind of got started on the anti-rant there! =)

Higgins

http://becomingaspecialneedsadvocate.blogspot.com/

Re: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

Jeannie,

I wish I knew of some good links on the lymphatic system. Usually,

I'm pretty good at googling for things, and I certainly tried during

the time I was seeking answers, but apart from the basic science, I

really couldn't find a much that was helpful re: detoxification and

I can't even remember where I got the "left side" info. It might be

an oriental rather than a western concept.

Recently someone posted on this forum about her arm swelling,

apparently from the use of iodine, and I directed her to my old

thread. I don't remember if she said it was her left arm, but that

would be interesting to know. Perhaps she'll read this and post.

I have made an excellent recovery. My left arm is now the same size

as my right, but the progress to normalcy has been slow and there

still remains a slighter thicker "feel" (with massaging) to that arm

in comparison to the right, and the color tone of the skin is a

barely noticeable shade different from the right -- not stuff that

anyone but me would notice. I expect a complete healing with time.

I can't say enough good things about the mini trampoline. I was

very weak when I started, could only do a few minutes, and had to

hang on to the kitchen counter and bounce with my heels never

leaving the fabric. Now I'm going for 12 minutes, not hanging on,

and some of the time jumping with my feet completely off the

fabric. I do an advanced Tai Chi/Ballet form three times a week and

I'm stronger and have much better balance for that now. I think the

trampoline was a major factor in the reversal of the swelling of my

arm (lymphedema) which was supposed an impossibility.

On 6/23/2011 2:53 PM, Jeannie wrote:



, that is interesting that

you say that toxins tend to dump on the left side. My

daughter had a painful egg sized lymph node in her left

armpit and her left tonsil was shockingly huge for about

a year and a half at the onset of her vaccine triggered

illness. A doctor at Mayo said it was nothing and that

it was just noticeable because she was petite, which I

thought was odd. I wonder now if it was due to toxin

accumulation? Do you have any good links that discuss

that sort of accumulation?

I found your entry. What a

frightening ordeal. Do you feel as though you have

recovered well from that? I saw you were getting some

sort of mini tramp. I have heard those are good for

supporting lymph drainage.

Thanks for your support!

Jeannie

Re: Re: Just started

Iodine therapy

Jeannie and

,

For many months I used the

"combo" on my face every

morning, regardless of the

state of the rosacea, simply

massaging it in. I used it

in the morning because a

nighttime application

disturbed my sleep and

messed up my pillow. It was

absorbed completely in the

hour or two before I had to

go to work. (For an

especially offensive pimple,

I would apply a drop of

iodine directly at night.) I

was also using the combo on

various other trouble spots

on my body. As time passed,

the amount of Lugol's rose

from 25 mg to over 125 mg.

(the later turning out to be

waay too much in terms of

the resulting detox.)

I don't consider the rosacea

completely cured yet but my

skin really does look very

good most of the time and,

since I have had to lower

the mg amount of Lugol's I

use (back down to 25 mg for

the time being and I'm not

sure how high I'll go in the

future), and I still have

other body areas to deal

with, I only do my face once

a week now -- usually after

a shower, when the pores are

open from heat.

Before I developed rosacea

in my old age, I had

life-long acne (well, from

my teen years). It really

makes me happy to finally

have nice looking skin.

Well, of course there are

some wrinkles now.

[Guest guest]



Thanks . I am so glad to hear that has helped you so much. Your progress is inspiring - 12 minutes is a lot of jumping! It sounds like something that would benefit everyone.

I found this site that talks a bit about reasons for lymphatic backup in certain areas of the body. http://www.wellnessresources.com/health_topics/detoxification/lymph.php

Jeannie

Re: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

Jeannie and ,For many months I used the "combo" on my face every morning, regardless of the state of the rosacea, simply massaging it in. I used it in the morning because a nighttime application disturbed my sleep and messed up my pillow. It was absorbed completely in the hour or two before I had to go to work. (For an especially offensive pimple, I would apply a drop of iodine directly at night.) I was also using the combo on various other trouble spots on my body. As time passed, the amount of Lugol's rose from 25 mg to over 125 mg. (the later turning out to be waay too much in terms of the resulting detox.)I don't consider the rosacea completely cured yet but my skin really does look very good most of the time and, since I have had to lower the mg amount of Lugol's I use (back down to 25 mg for the time being and I'm not sure how high I'll go in the future), and I still have other body areas to deal with, I only do my face once a week now -- usually after a shower, when the pores are open from heat.Before I developed rosacea in my old age, I had life-long acne (well, from my teen years). It really makes me happy to finally have nice looking skin. Well, of course there are some wrinkles now.

[Guest guest]

Jeannie,

That's a good link.  Thanks so much.

On 6/23/2011 6:09 PM, Jeannie wrote:

 



Thanks .  I am so

glad to hear that has helped you so much.  Your progress

is inspiring - 12 minutes is a lot of jumping!  It

sounds like something that would benefit everyone.

 

I found this site that

talks a bit about reasons for lymphatic backup in

certain areas of the body.  http://www.wellnessresources.com/health_topics/detoxification/lymph.php

 

Jeannie

 

 

Re: Re: Just

started Iodine therapy

 

Jeannie

and ,

For many months I

used the "combo" on

my face every

morning, regardless

of the state of the

rosacea, simply

massaging it in.  I

used it in the

morning because a

nighttime

application

disturbed my sleep

and messed up my

pillow.  It was

absorbed completely

in the hour or two

before I had to go

to work.  (For an

especially offensive

pimple, I would

apply a drop of

iodine directly at

night.) I was also

using the combo on

various other

trouble spots on my

body.  As time

passed, the amount

of Lugol's rose from

25 mg to over 125

mg. (the later

turning out to be

waay too much in

terms of the

resulting detox.)

I don't consider the

rosacea completely

cured yet but my

skin really does

look very good most

of the time and,

since I have had to

lower the mg amount

of Lugol's I use

(back down to 25 mg

for the time being

and I'm not sure how

high I'll go in the

future), and I still

have other body

areas to deal with,

I only do my face

once a week now --

usually after a

shower, when the

pores are open from

heat.

Before I developed

rosacea in my old

age, I had life-long

acne (well, from my

teen years).  It

really makes me

happy to finally

have nice looking

skin.  Well, of

course there are

some wrinkles now.

 

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for posting.  I'm glad to hear things are getting better for

you and that you are being patient with the time it takes.

Re: your doctor thinking you might be HIV positive . . .  one of my

doctors at time of the swollen arm incident put his glove on,

touched my elephantine arm gingerly and said "maybe sepsis."  I

wonder why they share these dire diagnoses before they have any idea

of what the problem really is.  As if we aren't scared enough just

looking at ourselves in the mirror.  <sigh>

On 6/23/2011 5:43 PM, wrote:

 

Hi ,

That was me with the swollen arm, though mine was my

right arm and hand.  I didn't have it nearly as rough

as you.  My swelling was only slight, but it hurt like

crazy for a couple of days.  I would imagine you had

pretty significant pain!  Mine felt like a sprain at

first and got worse, but now the swelling after a week

and a half is pretty much gone, just a little still in

my hand but without the pain.  I didn't read your

story, I think I was a bit fearful - but also really

sick with other stuff at the same time.  I had

bronchitis and sinusitis and the swelling and the pain

so I pretty much went to bed and came out a few days

later thanks to my husband who kept things going while

I was down. 

It's interesting though, we have both had a lot of

skin stuff too, my main reason for thinking iodine and

getting off levoxyl for my thyroid and on NT are the

best things in the world even though I don't really

feel all that great yet!  At least I don't have

constant itching and sores all over my body - still

some left after a couple of months, but well on the

way to normal again.  I think my body was trying to

detox before I even started with iodine and it was

coming out anywhere it could.  I felt like a leper. 

And if anyone saw how bad I looked they looked at me

like I was too.  I went to an infectious diseases doc

who thought I must be HIV positive, he said he'd never

seen anyone without full blown AIDS that looked as bad

as me.  Of course that was comforting!  NOT.  So much

for what the established medical guys know.  I know if

I keep it up I will start to feel better in time - my

cholesterol is getting better (still bad but better)

and I feel like I am coming back to life.  It's slower

than I would like, but it's happening.  Sorry, I kind

of got started on the anti-rant there! =)

Higgins

http://becomingaspecialneedsadvocate.blogspot.com/

Re:

Re: Just

started Iodine

therapy

 

Jeannie

and ,

For many

months I used

the "combo" on

my face every

morning,

regardless of

the state of

the rosacea,

simply

massaging it

in.  I used it

in the morning

because a

nighttime

application

disturbed my

sleep and

messed up my

pillow.  It

was absorbed

completely in

the hour or

two before I

had to go to

work.  (For an

especially

offensive

pimple, I

would apply a

drop of iodine

directly at

night.) I was

also using the

combo on

various other

trouble spots

on my body. 

As time

passed, the

amount of

Lugol's rose

from 25 mg to

over 125 mg.

(the later

turning out to

be waay too

much in terms

of the

resulting

detox.)

I don't

consider the

rosacea

completely

cured yet but

my skin really

does look very

good most of

the time and,

since I have

had to lower

the mg amount

of Lugol's I

use (back down

to 25 mg for

the time being

and I'm not

sure how high

I'll go in the

future), and I

still have

other body

areas to deal

with, I only

do my face

once a week

now -- usually

after a

shower, when

the pores are

open from

heat.

Before I

developed

rosacea in my

old age, I had

life-long acne

(well, from my

teen years). 

It really

makes me happy

to finally

have nice

looking skin. 

Well, of

course there

are some

wrinkles now.

 

[Guest guest]

As far as doctors go, they are a mystery to me. A friend of mine has had some weird stuff going on in her sinuses. They operated & removed a mystery mass -- she was told that it definitely wasn't cancer, but they never did come up with an explanation for what it was. And yet, they go on prescribing various toxic stuff for this mystery ailment. One of the suggestions was chemotherapy. Even though they said that it wasn't cancer, & even though they don't know what the heck it is... (Let's do something, even if it's wrong?)AnneOn Jun 23, 2011, at 8:40 PM, clairewest wrote:

,

Thanks for posting. I'm glad to hear things are getting better for

you and that you are being patient with the time it takes.

Re: your doctor thinking you might be HIV positive . . . one of my

doctors at time of the swollen arm incident put his glove on,

touched my elephantine arm gingerly and said "maybe sepsis." I

wonder why they share these dire diagnoses before they have any idea

of what the problem really is. As if we aren't scared enough just

looking at ourselves in the mirror. <sigh>

On 6/23/2011 5:43 PM, wrote:

Hi ,

That was me with the swollen arm, though mine was my

right arm and hand. I didn't have it nearly as rough

as you. My swelling was only slight, but it hurt like

crazy for a couple of days. I would imagine you had

pretty significant pain! Mine felt like a sprain at

first and got worse, but now the swelling after a week

and a half is pretty much gone, just a little still in

my hand but without the pain. I didn't read your

story, I think I was a bit fearful - but also really

sick with other stuff at the same time. I had

bronchitis and sinusitis and the swelling and the pain

so I pretty much went to bed and came out a few days

later thanks to my husband who kept things going while

I was down.

It's interesting though, we have both had a lot of

skin stuff too, my main reason for thinking iodine and

getting off levoxyl for my thyroid and on NT are the

best things in the world even though I don't really

feel all that great yet! At least I don't have

constant itching and sores all over my body - still

some left after a couple of months, but well on the

way to normal again. I think my body was trying to

detox before I even started with iodine and it was

coming out anywhere it could. I felt like a leper.

And if anyone saw how bad I looked they looked at me

like I was too. I went to an infectious diseases doc

who thought I must be HIV positive, he said he'd never

seen anyone without full blown AIDS that looked as bad

as me. Of course that was comforting! NOT. So much

for what the established medical guys know. I know if

I keep it up I will start to feel better in time - my

cholesterol is getting better (still bad but better)

and I feel like I am coming back to life. It's slower

than I would like, but it's happening. Sorry, I kind

of got started on the anti-rant there! =)

Higgins

http://becomingaspecialneedsadvocate.blogspot.com/

Re:

Re: Just

started Iodine

therapy

Jeannie

and ,

For many

months I used

the "combo" on

my face every

morning,

regardless of

the state of

the rosacea,

simply

massaging it

in. I used it

in the morning

because a

nighttime

application

disturbed my

sleep and

messed up my

pillow. It

was absorbed

completely in

the hour or

two before I

had to go to

work. (For an

especially

offensive

pimple, I

would apply a

drop of iodine

directly at

night.) I was

also using the

combo on

various other

trouble spots

on my body.

As time

passed, the

amount of

Lugol's rose

from 25 mg to

over 125 mg.

(the later

turning out to

be waay too

much in terms

of the

resulting

detox.)

I don't

consider the

rosacea

completely

cured yet but

my skin really

does look very

good most of

the time and,

since I have

had to lower

the mg amount

of Lugol's I

use (back down

to 25 mg for

the time being

and I'm not

sure how high

I'll go in the

future), and I

still have

other body

areas to deal

with, I only

do my face

once a week

now -- usually

after a

shower, when

the pores are

open from

heat.

Before I

developed

rosacea in my

old age, I had

life-long acne

(well, from my

teen years).

It really

makes me happy

to finally

have nice

looking skin.

Well, of

course there

are some

wrinkles now.

[Guest guest]

, have you tried detoxing baths? Food grade peroxide, in particular, can really help with skin issues. (Although I'd use some of the other goodies, too.)AnneOn Jun 23, 2011, at 5:43 PM, wrote:

Hi ,

That was me with the swollen arm, though mine was my right arm and hand. I didn't have it nearly as rough as you. My swelling was only slight, but it hurt like crazy for a couple of days. I would imagine you had pretty significant pain! Mine felt like a sprain at first and got worse, but now the swelling after a week and a half is pretty much gone, just a little still in my hand but without the pain. I didn't read your story, I think I was a bit fearful - but also really sick with other stuff at the same time. I had bronchitis and sinusitis and the swelling and the pain so I pretty much went to bed and came out a few days later thanks to my husband who kept things going while I was down.

It's interesting though, we have both had a lot of skin stuff too, my main reason for thinking iodine and getting off levoxyl for my thyroid and on NT are the best things in the world even though I don't really feel all that great yet! At least I don't have constant itching and sores all over my body - still some left after a couple of months, but well on the way to normal again. I think my body was trying to detox before I even started with iodine and it was coming out anywhere it could. I felt like a leper. And if anyone saw how bad I looked they looked at me like I was too. I went to an infectious diseases doc who thought I must be HIV positive, he said he'd never seen anyone without full blown AIDS that looked as bad as me. Of course that was comforting! NOT. So much for what the established medical guys know. I know if I keep it up I will start to feel better in time - my cholesterol is getting better (still bad but better) and I feel like I am coming back to life. It's slower than I would like, but it's happening. Sorry, I kind of got started on the anti-rant there! =)

Higgins

http://becomingaspecialneedsadvocate.blogspot.com/

Re: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

Jeannie,

I wish I knew of some good links on the lymphatic system. Usually,

I'm pretty good at googling for things, and I certainly tried during

the time I was seeking answers, but apart from the basic science, I

really couldn't find a much that was helpful re: detoxification and

I can't even remember where I got the "left side" info. It might be

an oriental rather than a western concept.

Recently someone posted on this forum about her arm swelling,

apparently from the use of iodine, and I directed her to my old

thread. I don't remember if she said it was her left arm, but that

would be interesting to know. Perhaps she'll read this and post.

I have made an excellent recovery. My left arm is now the same size

as my right, but the progress to normalcy has been slow and there

still remains a slighter thicker "feel" (with massaging) to that arm

in comparison to the right, and the color tone of the skin is a

barely noticeable shade different from the right -- not stuff that

anyone but me would notice. I expect a complete healing with time.

I can't say enough good things about the mini trampoline. I was

very weak when I started, could only do a few minutes, and had to

hang on to the kitchen counter and bounce with my heels never

leaving the fabric. Now I'm going for 12 minutes, not hanging on,

and some of the time jumping with my feet completely off the

fabric. I do an advanced Tai Chi/Ballet form three times a week and

I'm stronger and have much better balance for that now. I think the

trampoline was a major factor in the reversal of the swelling of my

arm (lymphedema) which was supposed an impossibility.

On 6/23/2011 2:53 PM, Jeannie wrote:



, that is interesting that

you say that toxins tend to dump on the left side. My

daughter had a painful egg sized lymph node in her left

armpit and her left tonsil was shockingly huge for about

a year and a half at the onset of her vaccine triggered

illness. A doctor at Mayo said it was nothing and that

it was just noticeable because she was petite, which I

thought was odd. I wonder now if it was due to toxin

accumulation? Do you have any good links that discuss

that sort of accumulation?

I found your entry. What a

frightening ordeal. Do you feel as though you have

recovered well from that? I saw you were getting some

sort of mini tramp. I have heard those are good for

supporting lymph drainage.

Thanks for your support!

Jeannie

Re: Re: Just started

Iodine therapy

Jeannie and

,

For many months I used the

"combo" on my face every

morning, regardless of the

state of the rosacea, simply

massaging it in. I used it

in the morning because a

nighttime application

disturbed my sleep and

messed up my pillow. It was

absorbed completely in the

hour or two before I had to

go to work. (For an

especially offensive pimple,

I would apply a drop of

iodine directly at night.) I

was also using the combo on

various other trouble spots

on my body. As time passed,

the amount of Lugol's rose

from 25 mg to over 125 mg.

(the later turning out to be

waay too much in terms of

the resulting detox.)

I don't consider the rosacea

completely cured yet but my

skin really does look very

good most of the time and,

since I have had to lower

the mg amount of Lugol's I

use (back down to 25 mg for

the time being and I'm not

sure how high I'll go in the

future), and I still have

other body areas to deal

with, I only do my face once

a week now -- usually after

a shower, when the pores are

open from heat.

Before I developed rosacea

in my old age, I had

life-long acne (well, from

my teen years). It really

makes me happy to finally

have nice looking skin.

Well, of course there are

some wrinkles now.

[Guest guest]

I agree, my son's preschool teacher has had cancer, she still has tumors but is cancer free and they are going to keep giving her chemo. I'd be saying no thank you! This is the same doc who told her she had 6 months to live over two years ago!Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 23, 2011, at 10:07 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote:

As far as doctors go, they are a mystery to me. A friend of mine has had some weird stuff going on in her sinuses. They operated & removed a mystery mass -- she was told that it definitely wasn't cancer, but they never did come up with an explanation for what it was. And yet, they go on prescribing various toxic stuff for this mystery ailment. One of the suggestions was chemotherapy. Even though they said that it wasn't cancer, & even though they don't know what the heck it is... (Let's do something, even if it's wrong?)AnneOn Jun 23, 2011, at 8:40 PM, clairewest wrote:

,

Thanks for posting. I'm glad to hear things are getting better for

you and that you are being patient with the time it takes.

Re: your doctor thinking you might be HIV positive . . . one of my

doctors at time of the swollen arm incident put his glove on,

touched my elephantine arm gingerly and said "maybe sepsis." I

wonder why they share these dire diagnoses before they have any idea

of what the problem really is. As if we aren't scared enough just

looking at ourselves in the mirror. <sigh>

On 6/23/2011 5:43 PM, wrote:

Hi ,

That was me with the swollen arm, though mine was my

right arm and hand. I didn't have it nearly as rough

as you. My swelling was only slight, but it hurt like

crazy for a couple of days. I would imagine you had

pretty significant pain! Mine felt like a sprain at

first and got worse, but now the swelling after a week

and a half is pretty much gone, just a little still in

my hand but without the pain. I didn't read your

story, I think I was a bit fearful - but also really

sick with other stuff at the same time. I had

bronchitis and sinusitis and the swelling and the pain

so I pretty much went to bed and came out a few days

later thanks to my husband who kept things going while

I was down.

It's interesting though, we have both had a lot of

skin stuff too, my main reason for thinking iodine and

getting off levoxyl for my thyroid and on NT are the

best things in the world even though I don't really

feel all that great yet! At least I don't have

constant itching and sores all over my body - still

some left after a couple of months, but well on the

way to normal again. I think my body was trying to

detox before I even started with iodine and it was

coming out anywhere it could. I felt like a leper.

And if anyone saw how bad I looked they looked at me

like I was too. I went to an infectious diseases doc

who thought I must be HIV positive, he said he'd never

seen anyone without full blown AIDS that looked as bad

as me. Of course that was comforting! NOT. So much

for what the established medical guys know. I know if

I keep it up I will start to feel better in time - my

cholesterol is getting better (still bad but better)

and I feel like I am coming back to life. It's slower

than I would like, but it's happening. Sorry, I kind

of got started on the anti-rant there! =)

Higgins

http://becomingaspecialneedsadvocate.blogspot.com/

Re:

Re: Just

started Iodine

therapy

Jeannie

and ,

For many

months I used

the "combo" on

my face every

morning,

regardless of

the state of

the rosacea,

simply

massaging it

in. I used it

in the morning

because a

nighttime

application

disturbed my

sleep and

messed up my

pillow. It

was absorbed

completely in

the hour or

two before I

had to go to

work. (For an

especially

offensive

pimple, I

would apply a

drop of iodine

directly at

night.) I was

also using the

combo on

various other

trouble spots

on my body.

As time

passed, the

amount of

Lugol's rose

from 25 mg to

over 125 mg.

(the later

turning out to

be waay too

much in terms

of the

resulting

detox.)

I don't

consider the

rosacea

completely

cured yet but

my skin really

does look very

good most of

the time and,

since I have

had to lower

the mg amount

of Lugol's I

use (back down

to 25 mg for

the time being

and I'm not

sure how high

I'll go in the

future), and I

still have

other body

areas to deal

with, I only

do my face

once a week

now -- usually

after a

shower, when

the pores are

open from

heat.

Before I

developed

rosacea in my

old age, I had

life-long acne

(well, from my

teen years).

It really

makes me happy

to finally

have nice

looking skin.

Well, of

course there

are some

wrinkles now.

[Guest guest]

I haven't read about baths except for Epsom salts which I keep meaning to get. It's hard to remember when I have my kids with me all the time! Although I'm nearly clear so maybe I don't want to mess with success. Although skin soothing wouldn't be bad. Is there a place on the group that has things to include in a bath? Or do you have your own hybrid?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 23, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote:

, have you tried detoxing baths? Food grade peroxide, in particular, can really help with skin issues. (Although I'd use some of the other goodies, too.)AnneOn Jun 23, 2011, at 5:43 PM, wrote:

Hi ,

That was me with the swollen arm, though mine was my right arm and hand. I didn't have it nearly as rough as you. My swelling was only slight, but it hurt like crazy for a couple of days. I would imagine you had pretty significant pain! Mine felt like a sprain at first and got worse, but now the swelling after a week and a half is pretty much gone, just a little still in my hand but without the pain. I didn't read your story, I think I was a bit fearful - but also really sick with other stuff at the same time. I had bronchitis and sinusitis and the swelling and the pain so I pretty much went to bed and came out a few days later thanks to my husband who kept things going while I was down.

It's interesting though, we have both had a lot of skin stuff too, my main reason for thinking iodine and getting off levoxyl for my thyroid and on NT are the best things in the world even though I don't really feel all that great yet! At least I don't have constant itching and sores all over my body - still some left after a couple of months, but well on the way to normal again. I think my body was trying to detox before I even started with iodine and it was coming out anywhere it could. I felt like a leper. And if anyone saw how bad I looked they looked at me like I was too. I went to an infectious diseases doc who thought I must be HIV positive, he said he'd never seen anyone without full blown AIDS that looked as bad as me. Of course that was comforting! NOT. So much for what the established medical guys know. I know if I keep it up I will start to feel better in time - my cholesterol is getting better (still bad but better) and I feel like I am coming back to life. It's slower than I would like, but it's happening. Sorry, I kind of got started on the anti-rant there! =)

Higgins

http://becomingaspecialneedsadvocate.blogspot.com/

Re: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

Jeannie,

I wish I knew of some good links on the lymphatic system. Usually,

I'm pretty good at googling for things, and I certainly tried during

the time I was seeking answers, but apart from the basic science, I

really couldn't find a much that was helpful re: detoxification and

I can't even remember where I got the "left side" info. It might be

an oriental rather than a western concept.

Recently someone posted on this forum about her arm swelling,

apparently from the use of iodine, and I directed her to my old

thread. I don't remember if she said it was her left arm, but that

would be interesting to know. Perhaps she'll read this and post.

I have made an excellent recovery. My left arm is now the same size

as my right, but the progress to normalcy has been slow and there

still remains a slighter thicker "feel" (with massaging) to that arm

in comparison to the right, and the color tone of the skin is a

barely noticeable shade different from the right -- not stuff that

anyone but me would notice. I expect a complete healing with time.

I can't say enough good things about the mini trampoline. I was

very weak when I started, could only do a few minutes, and had to

hang on to the kitchen counter and bounce with my heels never

leaving the fabric. Now I'm going for 12 minutes, not hanging on,

and some of the time jumping with my feet completely off the

fabric. I do an advanced Tai Chi/Ballet form three times a week and

I'm stronger and have much better balance for that now. I think the

trampoline was a major factor in the reversal of the swelling of my

arm (lymphedema) which was supposed an impossibility.

On 6/23/2011 2:53 PM, Jeannie wrote:



, that is interesting that

you say that toxins tend to dump on the left side. My

daughter had a painful egg sized lymph node in her left

armpit and her left tonsil was shockingly huge for about

a year and a half at the onset of her vaccine triggered

illness. A doctor at Mayo said it was nothing and that

it was just noticeable because she was petite, which I

thought was odd. I wonder now if it was due to toxin

accumulation? Do you have any good links that discuss

that sort of accumulation?

I found your entry. What a

frightening ordeal. Do you feel as though you have

recovered well from that? I saw you were getting some

sort of mini tramp. I have heard those are good for

supporting lymph drainage.

Thanks for your support!

Jeannie

Re: Re: Just started

Iodine therapy

Jeannie and

,

For many months I used the

"combo" on my face every

morning, regardless of the

state of the rosacea, simply

massaging it in. I used it

in the morning because a

nighttime application

disturbed my sleep and

messed up my pillow. It was

absorbed completely in the

hour or two before I had to

go to work. (For an

especially offensive pimple,

I would apply a drop of

iodine directly at night.) I

was also using the combo on

various other trouble spots

on my body. As time passed,

the amount of Lugol's rose

from 25 mg to over 125 mg.

(the later turning out to be

waay too much in terms of

the resulting detox.)

I don't consider the rosacea

completely cured yet but my

skin really does look very

good most of the time and,

since I have had to lower

the mg amount of Lugol's I

use (back down to 25 mg for

the time being and I'm not

sure how high I'll go in the

future), and I still have

other body areas to deal

with, I only do my face once

a week now -- usually after

a shower, when the pores are

open from heat.

Before I developed rosacea

in my old age, I had

life-long acne (well, from

my teen years). It really

makes me happy to finally

have nice looking skin.

Well, of course there are

some wrinkles now.

[Guest guest]

I haven't tried Essiac - is it easy to prepare?

It does sound worth a try

Thanks

From: Ariel Monserrat <wolvenwood@...>iodine Sent: Thursday, 23 June 2011, 22:53Subject: Re: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

, have you tried Essiac? It's a combination of 4 herbs that help to dissolve tumors. A good friend of mine had colon cancer and used it - within a month the grapefruit-sized tumor was completely gone. She has proof becasue she started the Essiac as soon as she was diagnosed with it. She went back 4 weeks later and it was totally gone.You can get it at any health food store.Ariel

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote:

Cancer is not the tumor. It is a systemic disease. If you don't correct the whole system, the cancer will just come back, or you will get a different cancer, because the cancer process is still at work.

A woman I knew was declared totally (breast) cancer-free after grueling treatment -- only to have the cancer roar back worse than ever & kill her. (She may have lived longer, but much of that time was spent puking.)

A cousin of my husband's had ovarian cancer, went through horrendous treatment for that, & then developed colon cancer. (The docs were at great pains to explain to the family that the second cancer was NOT a recurrence of the first. They were completely different cancers under the microscope. But she's dead anyway, so I'm guessing that distinction doesn't mean much to her.)

This is completely aside from the problem that some mainstream cancer treatment tends to be carcinogenic. (There is research that shows quite clearly that people who were aggressively treated for cancer in childhood tend to develop OTHER cancers...)

One consideration here is that if you are able to REVERSE your cancer with holistic methods, that would suggest that you are curing the whole system. Your tumor is an indicator of your progress. If you remove the tumor, how will you know if what you are doing is really healing the whole system? If you can look at it as though it were a warning light on your dashboard, perhaps that would help?

I know -- hard to love your cancer. Hard not to be afraid of it. It would help a whole lot if you had some progress...

You are right that fear isn't good for you. Is there any way for you to meet people who are having the proposed treatment? Most of the time, when we are told our options, we don't really understand them deeply. Maybe more information would help you make a decision you were comfortable with? Although you have to be careful to observe how they look & behave as much as what they say. Sometimes people are too accepting of their illness...

Anne

On Jun 20, 2011, at 2:24 AM, Kuziw wrote:

Actually I wrote to Dr Flechas when I first found out I had papillary cancer and his advice was to have a TT and then treat with iodine.

It's interesting what you say about treating with iodine takes time etc., but it is so hard to keep positive and sure about what you are doing! In my case, (I was diagnosed in Dec 09) I have not yet agreed to the op because I wanted to strengthen my body first and treat holistically (have also recently started with armour so am waiting to see what changes that will bring) - however, although there is no apparent growth, there is still no real reduction in my thyroid "lump" and I'm coming to the conclusion that maybe it would be better to have the TT (not the RAI) and continue with the holistic therapies without the constant worry in my head as to whether I am doing the right thing holding off etc. I have read the reports that say actually if you do nothing and don't have your thyroid out, you have as much chance of living a long life - the only thing is, I don't want to be one of the ones where sadly that isn't the

case.

Of course I know everyone is different, any more views out there please? I know there are a few of us in this boat?

From: dutchdivco <jdutchmanjim@...>iodine Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2011, 23:48Subject: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

JUST cause someone has initials in front of their name, like DR, doesn't mean they know what they are doing, just that they are 'practicing'.Sounds, just going from the post, like he may have been practicing too long? I mean its GOOD that he didn't immediately say "Cut it out", like most Drrrrrrs, and that the surgeon was also conservative,but come on! Jim> > > > > > > Hi Everyone - I'm a patient of Dr. Flechas and he just started me on 100mg Iodoral per day with ATP Co-Factors. I have a multi-nodular goiter that is growing a lot and

now it has a "solid nodule" that is really scary sounding as it is associated with malignancy.> > > > > > > > I've had 3 ultrasounds in 3 years and it is constantly growing. Three months ago Flechas put me on 75mg/day of colloidal silver in order to shrink it, but that didn't work. (Three months work of silver treatment = $150.) I had one biopsy about 2 years ago and back then the pathologist said it had a 1% chance of being cancer, but now this "solid nodule" has reared it's ugly head. > > > > > > > > Flechas didn't seem to want to proceed to iodine therapy. He said "I'd like to try you on 3 months of colloidal silver to see if that shrinks it" and I said "I just came off of 3 months of colloidal silver." Duh! This was not a warm fuzzy! Now I have extreme doubts as to his sanity, or maybe eyesight. Also, the iodine is causing sleeplessness. > > > > > > > >

My other doc sent me to see the surgeon last Christmas and the surgeon said that it didn't look that bad, just to keep an eye on it, but that was 6 months ago. Yes, a surgeon actually didn't recommend surgery! I've got another appt with the same surgeon this month to see if his opinion has changed in light of the "solid nodule". > > > > > > > > What I'd like to know now is:> > > > 1) How likely is the iodine to "fix" this?> > > > 2) Should I get another biopsy?> > > > 3) Should I get it yanked out?> > > > 4) Are there any good alternatives to RAI?> > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your input!> > > > Laurel> > > > > > > >> > >> >>

-- "Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring."-Tom Donohue

[Guest guest]

Jeannie,

As I kept thinking about the

question of

lymphatic drainage, I remembered more clearly what I had read

earlier this year:  that the lymph from

the entire body (excluding

only the upper right chest) is “dumped†into the blood system in

the region of

the left neck (where I had the initial swelling).

Armed with that, I went back

to googling and here's something more scientific from http://quizlet.com/1429942/deck-37-overview-of-the-lymphatic-system-flash-cards/  Talking about the exact point where the

lymph

is “dumped†into the veins: “ The thoracic duct receives the

lymph from the

chyle cistern and pushes it up against gravity to the venous

angle in the left

root of the neck.â€

On 6/23/2011 8:27 PM, clairewest wrote:

 

Jeannie,

That's a good link.  Thanks so much.

On 6/23/2011 6:09 PM, Jeannie wrote:

 



Thanks .  I am

so glad to hear that has helped you so much.  Your

progress is inspiring - 12 minutes is a lot of

jumping!  It sounds like something that would

benefit everyone.

 

I found this site

that talks a bit about reasons for lymphatic backup

in certain areas of the body.  http://www.wellnessresources.com/health_topics/detoxification/lymph.php

 

Jeannie

 

 

Re: Re:

Just started Iodine

therapy

 

Jeannie

and ,

For many months

I used the

"combo" on my

face every

morning,

regardless of

the state of the

rosacea, simply

massaging it

in.  I used it

in the morning

because a

nighttime

application

disturbed my

sleep and messed

up my pillow. 

It was absorbed

completely in

the hour or two

before I had to

go to work. 

(For an

especially

offensive

pimple, I would

apply a drop of

iodine directly

at night.) I was

also using the

combo on various

other trouble

spots on my

body.  As time

passed, the

amount of

Lugol's rose

from 25 mg to

over 125 mg.

(the later

turning out to

be waay too much

in terms of the

resulting

detox.)

I don't consider

the rosacea

completely cured

yet but my skin

really does look

very good most

of the time and,

since I have had

to lower the mg

amount of

Lugol's I use

(back down to 25

mg for the time

being and I'm

not sure how

high I'll go in

the future), and

I still have

other body areas

to deal with, I

only do my face

once a week now

-- usually after

a shower, when

the pores are

open from heat.

Before I

developed

rosacea in my

old age, I had

life-long acne

(well, from my

teen years).  It

really makes me

happy to finally

have nice

looking skin. 

Well, of course

there are some

wrinkles now.

 

[Guest guest]



,

That really paints a clear picture! Thanks.

I just can't believe the drs at Mayo thought nothing of my daughter's swelling. I am sure her body was fighting to get the toxins from her vaccine injury out and was overloaded.

Jeannie

Re: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

Jeannie and ,For many months I used the "combo" on my face every morning, regardless of the state of the rosacea, simply massaging it in. I used it in the morning because a nighttime application disturbed my sleep and messed up my pillow. It was absorbed completely in the hour or two before I had to go to work. (For an especially offensive pimple, I would apply a drop of iodine directly at night.) I was also using the combo on various other trouble spots on my body. As time passed, the amount of Lugol's rose from 25 mg to over 125 mg. (the later turning out to be waay too much in terms of the resulting detox.)I don't consider the rosacea completely cured yet but my skin really does look very good most of the time and, since I have had to lower the mg amount of Lugol's I use (back down to 25 mg for the time being and I'm not sure how high I'll go in the future), and I still have other body areas to deal with, I only do my face once a week now -- usually after a shower, when the pores are open from heat.Before I developed rosacea in my old age, I had life-long acne (well, from my teen years). It really makes me happy to finally have nice looking skin. Well, of course there are some wrinkles now.

[Guest guest]

Thanks .JudyThey that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever. Ps. 124:1



,

That

is great to hear of your

improvements. What do you mean by

"combo"?

What

happens when you detox too much?

Thanks

for your time,

Jeannie

-----

Original Message -----

From:

clairewest

To:

iodine

Sent:

Wednesday, June 22, 2011 11:20 AM

Subject:

Re: Re: Just started Iodine

therapy

Jeannie

and ,

For many months I used the

"combo" on my face every

morning, regardless of the state

of the rosacea, simply massaging

it in. I used it in the morning

because a nighttime application

disturbed my sleep and messed up

my pillow. It was absorbed

completely in the hour or two

before I had to go to work.

(For an especially offensive

pimple, I would apply a drop of

iodine directly at night.) I was

also using the combo on various

other trouble spots on my body.

As time passed, the amount of

Lugol's rose from 25 mg to over

125 mg. (the later turning out

to be waay too much in terms of

the resulting detox.)

I don't consider the rosacea

completely cured yet but my skin

really does look very good most

of the time and, since I have

had to lower the mg amount of

Lugol's I use (back down to 25

mg for the time being and I'm

not sure how high I'll go in the

future), and I still have other

body areas to deal with, I only

do my face once a week now --

usually after a shower, when the

pores are open from heat.

Before I developed rosacea in my

old age, I had life-long acne

(well, from my teen years). It

really makes me happy to finally

have nice looking skin. Well,

of course there are some

wrinkles now.

[Guest guest]

She has already been using a neti pot, after surgery -- it apparently has not been enough. (That is always my first suggestion for sinus issues.) I should double-check what mixture of stuff she has been using, but I was startled that whatever it was grew back when she was using the neti pot so constantly.AnneOn Jun 24, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Lora Price wrote:

Anne,I have done a lot of research on sinuses for a client of mine. Some research has found that most sinus problems are from fungus. Some fungi can grow like a tumor or a cyst. Antibiotics do not help. A neti pot with iodine, colloidal silver or by using oil of oregano. One may have to take antifungal medications. It is worth taking one of these avenues first before trying chemotherapy which could cause cancer. Lora Price ND Re: Just started Iodine therapy Posted by: "Anne Seals" anneseals@... annerseals Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:13 pm (PDT) As far as doctors go, they are a mystery to me. A friend of mine has had some weird stuff going on in her sinuses. They operated & removed a mystery mass -- she was told that it definitely wasn't cancer, but they never did come up with an explanation for what it was. And yet, they go on prescribing various toxic stuff for this mystery ailment. One of the suggestions was chemotherapy. Even though they said that it wasn't cancer, & even though they don't know what the heck it is... (Let's do something, even if it's wrong?)AnneOn Jun 23, 2011, at 8:40 PM, clairewest wrote:> ,> > Thanks for posting. I'm glad to hear things are getting better for you and that you are being patient with the time it takes.> > Re: your doctor thinking you might be HIV positive . . . one of my doctors at time of the swollen arm incident put his glove on, touched my elephantine arm gingerly and said "maybe sepsis." I wonder why they share these dire diagnoses before they have any idea of what the problem really is. As if we aren't scared enough just looking at ourselves in the mirror. <sigh>> > > > On 6/23/2011 5:43 PM, wrote:> >> >> Hi ,>> >> That was me with the swollen arm, though mine was my right arm and hand. I didn't have it nearly as rough as you. My swelling was only slight, but it hurt like crazy for a couple of days. I would imagine you had pretty significant pain! Mine felt like a sprain at first and got worse, but now the swelling after a week and a half is pretty much gone, just a little still in my hand but without the pain. I didn't read your story, I think I was a bit fearful - but also really sick with other stuff at the same time. I had bronchitis and sinusitis and the swelling and the pain so I pretty much went to bed and came out a few days later thanks to my husband who kept things going while I was down. >> >> It's interesting though, we have both had a lot of skin stuff too, my main reason for thinking iodine and getting off levoxyl for my thyroid and on NT are the best things in the world even though I don't really feel all that great yet! At least I don't have constant itching and sores all over my body - still some left after a couple of months, but well on the way to normal again. I think my body was trying to detox before I even started with iodine and it was coming out anywhere it could. I felt like a leper. And if anyone saw how bad I looked they looked at me like I was too. I went to an infectious diseases doc who thought I must be HIV positive, he said he'd never seen anyone without full blown AIDS that looked as bad as me. Of course that was comforting! NOT. So much for what the established medical guys know. I know if I keep it up I will start to feel better in time - my cholesterol is getting better (still bad but better) and I feel like I am coming back to life. It's slower than I would like, but it's happening. Sorry, I kind of got started on the anti-rant there! =)>> >> >> >> Higgins