Re: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

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Laurel,

Your thyroid cannot get well without 50mg to 100mg per day and possibly

more of iodine plus ALL the companion nutrients. Dr Flechas has written

iodine-positive papers but if he's not putting you on iodine for thyroid

issues (of any kind, all thyroid issues require iodine, period), then he's

no longer an iodine doctor. His ideas have always been different from some

of the other iodine docs, and they have been very conservative (although,

most MDs are very conservative about iodine even when they are

iodine-positive).

Why is it that you aren't taking Vit C? That is essential.

Biopsy sites have elevated cancer diagnoses later. So no, a biopsy is

really not what's needed. The alternative to RAI is heavy duty iodine

therapy.

wishing you well,

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At 12:04 AM 6/8/2011, you wrote:

>Yeah, I recognised the name, tho I haven't read anything of his. I was

>just going by the information in the post, and my own opinions. So, maybe

>I was talking out my a**, but when a Dr. says " I'm going to try you on x

>for 3 mos., and the patient says " But Dr., you've HAD me on X for 3 mos.

>already. " It would cause me concern, if I were the patient. Thats all I'm

>saying! I am familiar with CS as a great fighter of infection.And, I could

>see trying it for that. But Iodine is also a great fighter of

>infection.Anyway, maybe his research has taken him places far beyond where

>I am.Jim

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi Everyone - I'm a patient of Dr. Flechas and he just

> started me on 100mg Iodoral per day with ATP Co-Factors. I have a

> multi-nodular goiter that is growing a lot and now it has a " solid

> nodule " that is really scary sounding as it is associated with malignancy.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've had 3 ultrasounds in 3 years and it is constantly

> growing. Three months ago Flechas put me on 75mg/day of colloidal silver

> in order to shrink it, but that didn't work. (Three months work of silver

> treatment = $150.) I had one biopsy about 2 years ago and back then the

> pathologist said it had a 1% chance of being cancer, but now this " solid

> nodule " has reared it's ugly head.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Flechas didn't seem to want to proceed to iodine therapy. He

> said " I'd like to try you on 3 months of colloidal silver to see if that

> shrinks it " and I said " I just came off of 3 months of colloidal silver. "

> Duh! This was not a warm fuzzy! Now I have extreme doubts as to his

> sanity, or maybe eyesight. Also, the iodine is causing sleeplessness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My other doc sent me to see the surgeon last Christmas and

> the surgeon said that it didn't look that bad, just to keep an eye on it,

> but that was 6 months ago. Yes, a surgeon actually didn't recommend

> surgery! I've got another appt with the same surgeon this month to see if

> his opinion has changed in light of the " solid nodule " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What I'd like to know now is:

> > > > > > > 1) How likely is the iodine to " fix " this?

> > > > > > > 2) Should I get another biopsy?

> > > > > > > 3) Should I get it yanked out?

> > > > > > > 4) Are there any good alternatives to RAI?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your input!

> > > > > > > Laurel

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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And Laurel, if the iodine gives you insomnia it's ONLY because the iodine

is giving you energy. Just take it in the morning and your body will

happily learn to adapt to having more energy.

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At 12:04 AM 6/8/2011, you wrote:

>Yeah, I recognised the name, tho I haven't read anything of his. I was

>just going by the information in the post, and my own opinions. So, maybe

>I was talking out my a**, but when a Dr. says " I'm going to try you on x

>for 3 mos., and the patient says " But Dr., you've HAD me on X for 3 mos.

>already. " It would cause me concern, if I were the patient. Thats all I'm

>saying! I am familiar with CS as a great fighter of infection.And, I could

>see trying it for that. But Iodine is also a great fighter of

>infection.Anyway, maybe his research has taken him places far beyond where

>I am.Jim

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi Everyone - I'm a patient of Dr. Flechas and he just

> started me on 100mg Iodoral per day with ATP Co-Factors. I have a

> multi-nodular goiter that is growing a lot and now it has a " solid

> nodule " that is really scary sounding as it is associated with malignancy.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've had 3 ultrasounds in 3 years and it is constantly

> growing. Three months ago Flechas put me on 75mg/day of colloidal silver

> in order to shrink it, but that didn't work. (Three months work of silver

> treatment = $150.) I had one biopsy about 2 years ago and back then the

> pathologist said it had a 1% chance of being cancer, but now this " solid

> nodule " has reared it's ugly head.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Flechas didn't seem to want to proceed to iodine therapy. He

> said " I'd like to try you on 3 months of colloidal silver to see if that

> shrinks it " and I said " I just came off of 3 months of colloidal silver. "

> Duh! This was not a warm fuzzy! Now I have extreme doubts as to his

> sanity, or maybe eyesight. Also, the iodine is causing sleeplessness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My other doc sent me to see the surgeon last Christmas and

> the surgeon said that it didn't look that bad, just to keep an eye on it,

> but that was 6 months ago. Yes, a surgeon actually didn't recommend

> surgery! I've got another appt with the same surgeon this month to see if

> his opinion has changed in light of the " solid nodule " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What I'd like to know now is:

> > > > > > > 1) How likely is the iodine to " fix " this?

> > > > > > > 2) Should I get another biopsy?

> > > > > > > 3) Should I get it yanked out?

> > > > > > > 4) Are there any good alternatives to RAI?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your input!

> > > > > > > Laurel

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

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>

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I personally have seen a change in his actions and stance toward Iodine. In the beginning he was much more committed to utilizing it to its fullest extent but lately I have had some disturbing reports about this views and have decided that I will no longer recommend him as an "iodine" doc. I find this very sad because we need more doctors like what he used to be and what Dr. Brownstein and Dr Abraham (although not practicing) are promoting.

Re: Just started Iodine therapy

Linn - Right, which is why I drive 90 mins, one way, to see him. He's mentioned several times in Brownstein's book. I was hoping for some serious direction from him. Now I'm finally on the iodoral but he never mentioned detox or Mt. Dew or bromides or flouride.... nothing. Very disappointing. Is anyone else on here a patient of his?Thanks,Laurel>> Flechas is one of the "iodine docs".> > Linn>

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but he doesn't sound like an expert on the subject.

Gracia

On 6/7/2011 5:46 PM, Linn wrote:

Flechas is one of the "iodine docs".

Linn

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EIS is electrically isolated silver - it is what most people actually mean when they refer to CS.  EIS is approx 80% ionic and 20% colloidal if I am recalling my numbers right.  Many of the products sold in health food stores, etc are actually EIS.  But the colloquial is to call it CS.  There are actually several different silver products/solutions out there.  Sometimes they all get referred to as CS even though they are not.  If you are interested in more information we can take this to the off topic list or I can send you the links to join the CS group.  Lots of really knowledgeable folks there who amaze the heck out of me.  I am always learning new things from those folks, although some of the science sails over my head at times.

 

I am sorry your experience with Flechas has been not good.  Regardless of religious views having my doctor go off on a religious rant would probably make me not go back to them.  I think this is why I am moving more and more to researching the daylights out of things and making my own educated choices.  And since I started doing that I am only the healthier and happier for it.  AND saving a heck of a lot of money to boot.  I put $3600 into my flex funds yearly and used to blow through that before June most years with doctor office co-pays and medication co-pays.  Now the only reason I am able to use it up is because I was able to obtain a doctor's " prescription " for massage to help manage my chronic post car accident back and leg pain.  With the doctor's note I can use my flex funds to pay for them.  As an adjunct to things like LDN and iodine, the body work is amazing.  Helps with pain, flexibility, even detox in having her work the lymphatic system. 

 

Wishing you the best,

 

Jaxi

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:24 AM, pythonesk <pythonesk@...> wrote:

Jaxi -  He said that he'd been involved with a study of colloidal silver and two of the participants had unexpected shrinkage of their goiters.  So, I was another guinea pig.  Truthfully, it did feel like it at least had a minor effect on mine.  Maybe a " slowing " of the growth, but still growing.  Maybe the fact that it didn't work means I'm too far gone....  What is EIS?

Laurel

>> I think highly of EIS/CS for a vast variety of things.  I am puzzled as to

> why he thought it would work on the thyroid, but it has worked on other> tumors so I suppose that might have been the reasoning.  On the CS list> several folks even just recently have spoken of success with EIS and animal

> tumors.  He is a reputable doctor and open to alternatives.  Despite being> an " iodine " doctor be is clearly open to the idea that different things> might be warranted in a given situation.  I would see that as positive.

>  Just because it didn't work for one person doesn't mean it hasn't worked> for others and wasn't worth trying.>> I make my own EIS/CS.  If you find someone who makes it you can get it for

> next to nothing.  Depending on how much you were taking daily 50 a month is> not really " that " bad for commercial EIS.>> Iodine is a very viable treatment for the condition you mentioned.  If it

> were me I would give it a serious chance and follow the full protocol - all> companion supplements as well.  I would not consider having mine removed -> if it were me.  Having had a biopsy once myself I don't think I would do

> that again either.  If I really thought it " might " be cancerous I would> still do iodine and probably look into things like Essiac as adjuncts.>> If it were me ...>> Jaxi

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I have no idea why he changed as it caught me totally off guard a month or two ago when I recommended that someone see him instead of getting RAI for thyroid cancer. He told them that iodine was ineffective for thyroid cancer and to get the RAI. That shocked and maddened me. He was personally at the conference of doctors that I spoke at where we discussed how RAI (3x) did not work for me and was very toxic and how the Iodoral did "cure" my thyroid cancer.

Re: Just started Iodine therapy

Wow, this is disheartening! I wonder what caused him to change his stance? It certainly does send a confusing message when one of the primary researchers changes directions and there doesn't seem to be many (any?) practicing doctors continuing the original train of thought.Could you shed more light on why he has taken a different stance?> >> > Flechas is one of the "iodine docs".> > > > Linn> >>

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Dr Brownstein does still use iodine - he just doesn't take new patients I believe.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:07 AM, baxrox <baxrox@...> wrote:

Jim (who calls 'em like he sees 'em!) ~ it wasn't making sense to me either and it appears that 's response to Laurel sheds a bit of light on this discrepancy.  I hope we learn more about his turn away from the research.

One of the first things I get asked when I talk about iodine & especially regular & /or large dosing as recommended in the iodine protocol is " do the people promoting that make money on it? "  Well, I would think that Abraham, Hakala and Flechas do  (think, but do not know if they benefit from the sale of Iodoral) and I don't know about Brownstein.

The second question I am most often asked is " who is using that (those doses) in their practice? "  Now that Dr. Brownstein is not, what is the answer to that?  There is always the question of keeping current ...  does the research done years ago support today's application.  What has or has not changed since then?

Then there is 's story ~ the one I most frequently refer to when explaining real time, proof in the flesh, patient benefit of the iodine protocol.  No financial benefit there and the primary promoter of the iodine protocol in a forum that everyone can access.

Hmmm, what to think.Anyway Jim, always good to have critical thinkers and voices that question everything!One of the quotes I keep around goes like this:   " Arguments clarify the mind and compel us to analyze our convictions which we are otherwise to lazy to do until we put them into words. "

It reminds me of the value of a good conversation and I usually change the word " arguments " for " conversations " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi Everyone - I'm a patient of Dr. Flechas and he just started me on 100mg Iodoral per day with ATP Co-Factors. I have a multi-nodular goiter that is growing a lot and now it has a " solid nodule " that is really scary sounding as it is associated with malignancy.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I've had 3 ultrasounds in 3 years and it is constantly growing. Three months ago Flechas put me on 75mg/day of colloidal silver in order to shrink it, but that didn't work. (Three months work of silver treatment = $150.) I had one biopsy about 2 years ago and back then the pathologist said it had a 1% chance of being cancer, but now this " solid nodule " has reared it's ugly head.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Flechas didn't seem to want to proceed to iodine therapy. He said " I'd like to try you on 3 months of colloidal silver to see if that shrinks it " and I said " I just came off of 3 months of colloidal silver. " Duh! This was not a warm fuzzy! Now I have extreme doubts as to his sanity, or maybe eyesight. Also, the iodine is causing sleeplessness.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > My other doc sent me to see the surgeon last Christmas and the surgeon said that it didn't look that bad, just to keep an eye on it, but that was 6 months ago. Yes, a surgeon actually didn't recommend surgery! I've got another appt with the same surgeon this month to see if his opinion has changed in light of the " solid nodule " .

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What I'd like to know now is:> > > > > > > 1) How likely is the iodine to " fix " this?> > > > > > > 2) Should I get another biopsy?

> > > > > > > 3) Should I get it yanked out?> > > > > > > 4) Are there any good alternatives to RAI?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your input!

> > > > > > > Laurel> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >

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If you re-read it, she said that she wanted iodine and he didn't want to do it. He told her he wanted to try the Colloidal Silver first. She did it for 3 mos ($150) and it didn't work. So she returned to him and asked for it again and he suggested the CS treatment for a 2nd time and she reminded him that she had already been on it and it wasn't effective - that is when he finally put her on the 100 mgs Iodoral and ATP CoFactors - but nothing else like Vit C, Selenium and Magnesium or even refined salt. He also did not discuss the possibility of detoxing. That is her complaint. I have not heard about CS being effective for shrinking nodules but am going to look into it.

Buist, ND

Re: Just started Iodine therapy

She said Dr. Flechas does have her on iodine (100 mg Iodoral day). When she said "Flechas didn't seem to want to proceed to iodine therapy" I think she meant radioiodine therapy.>

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Yes he and Dr. Ng (also in his office) are very actively using higher doses of Iodoral (50 mgs +) in their practice. Dr. Ng takes new patients - Dr Brownstein does not.

Buist, ND

Re: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

Dr Brownstein does still use iodine - he just doesn't take new patients I believe.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:07 AM, baxrox <baxrox@...> wrote:

Jim (who calls 'em like he sees 'em!) ~ it wasn't making sense to me either and it appears that 's response to Laurel sheds a bit of light on this discrepancy. I hope we learn more about his turn away from the research.One of the first things I get asked when I talk about iodine & especially regular & /or large dosing as recommended in the iodine protocol is "do the people promoting that make money on it?" Well, I would think that Abraham, Hakala and Flechas do (think, but do not know if they benefit from the sale of Iodoral) and I don't know about Brownstein.The second question I am most often asked is "who is using that (those doses) in their practice?" Now that Dr. Brownstein is not, what is the answer to that? There is always the question of keeping current ... does the research done years ago support today's application. What has or has not changed since then?Then there is 's story ~ the one I most frequently refer to when explaining real time, proof in the flesh, patient benefit of the iodine protocol. No financial benefit there and the primary promoter of the iodine protocol in a forum that everyone can access.Hmmm, what to think.Anyway Jim, always good to have critical thinkers and voices that question everything!One of the quotes I keep around goes like this: "Arguments clarify the mind and compel us to analyze our convictions which we are otherwise to lazy to do until we put them into words."It reminds me of the value of a good conversation and I usually change the word "arguments" for "conversations".

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi Everyone - I'm a patient of Dr. Flechas and he just started me on 100mg Iodoral per day with ATP Co-Factors. I have a multi-nodular goiter that is growing a lot and now it has a "solid nodule" that is really scary sounding as it is associated with malignancy.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I've had 3 ultrasounds in 3 years and it is constantly growing. Three months ago Flechas put me on 75mg/day of colloidal silver in order to shrink it, but that didn't work. (Three months work of silver treatment = $150.) I had one biopsy about 2 years ago and back then the pathologist said it had a 1% chance of being cancer, but now this "solid nodule" has reared it's ugly head.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Flechas didn't seem to want to proceed to iodine therapy. He said "I'd like to try you on 3 months of colloidal silver to see if that shrinks it" and I said "I just came off of 3 months of colloidal silver." Duh! This was not a warm fuzzy! Now I have extreme doubts as to his sanity, or maybe eyesight. Also, the iodine is causing sleeplessness.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > My other doc sent me to see the surgeon last Christmas and the surgeon said that it didn't look that bad, just to keep an eye on it, but that was 6 months ago. Yes, a surgeon actually didn't recommend surgery! I've got another appt with the same surgeon this month to see if his opinion has changed in light of the "solid nodule".> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What I'd like to know now is:> > > > > > > 1) How likely is the iodine to "fix" this?> > > > > > > 2) Should I get another biopsy?> > > > > > > 3) Should I get it yanked out?> > > > > > > 4) Are there any good alternatives to RAI?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your input!> > > > > > > Laurel> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ%20FIRST/

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One in issue in medicine is that peer pressure is pretty severe on docs who are doing things differently from the mainstream. Conforming to standard practice is a lot easier. You can't be part of the good ol' boys' network if you aren't playing the same game they are.AnneOn Jun 8, 2011, at 9:07 AM, baxrox wrote:

Jim (who calls 'em like he sees 'em!) ~ it wasn't making sense to me either and it appears that 's response to Laurel sheds a bit of light on this discrepancy. I hope we learn more about his turn away from the research.

One of the first things I get asked when I talk about iodine & especially regular & /or large dosing as recommended in the iodine protocol is "do the people promoting that make money on it?" Well, I would think that Abraham, Hakala and Flechas do (think, but do not know if they benefit from the sale of Iodoral) and I don't know about Brownstein.

The second question I am most often asked is "who is using that (those doses) in their practice?" Now that Dr. Brownstein is not, what is the answer to that? There is always the question of keeping current ... does the research done years ago support today's application. What has or has not changed since then?

Then there is 's story ~ the one I most frequently refer to when explaining real time, proof in the flesh, patient benefit of the iodine protocol. No financial benefit there and the primary promoter of the iodine protocol in a forum that everyone can access.

Hmmm, what to think.

Anyway Jim, always good to have critical thinkers and voices that question everything!

One of the quotes I keep around goes like this: "Arguments clarify the mind and compel us to analyze our convictions which we are otherwise to lazy to do until we put them into words."

It reminds me of the value of a good conversation and I usually change the word "arguments" for "conversations".

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi Everyone - I'm a patient of Dr. Flechas and he just started me on 100mg Iodoral per day with ATP Co-Factors. I have a multi-nodular goiter that is growing a lot and now it has a "solid nodule" that is really scary sounding as it is associated with malignancy.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've had 3 ultrasounds in 3 years and it is constantly growing. Three months ago Flechas put me on 75mg/day of colloidal silver in order to shrink it, but that didn't work. (Three months work of silver treatment = $150.) I had one biopsy about 2 years ago and back then the pathologist said it had a 1% chance of being cancer, but now this "solid nodule" has reared it's ugly head.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Flechas didn't seem to want to proceed to iodine therapy. He said "I'd like to try you on 3 months of colloidal silver to see if that shrinks it" and I said "I just came off of 3 months of colloidal silver." Duh! This was not a warm fuzzy! Now I have extreme doubts as to his sanity, or maybe eyesight. Also, the iodine is causing sleeplessness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My other doc sent me to see the surgeon last Christmas and the surgeon said that it didn't look that bad, just to keep an eye on it, but that was 6 months ago. Yes, a surgeon actually didn't recommend surgery! I've got another appt with the same surgeon this month to see if his opinion has changed in light of the "solid nodule".

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What I'd like to know now is:

> > > > > > > 1) How likely is the iodine to "fix" this?

> > > > > > > 2) Should I get another biopsy?

> > > > > > > 3) Should I get it yanked out?

> > > > > > > 4) Are there any good alternatives to RAI?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your input!

> > > > > > > Laurel

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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It keeps them away from being hit up by the medical boards too. Many alt med docs have come under fire from them lately. They could lose their license. I think I many cases it is CYA.

Buist, ND

Re: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

One in issue in medicine is that peer pressure is pretty severe on docs who are doing things differently from the mainstream. Conforming to standard practice is a lot easier. You can't be part of the good ol' boys' network if you aren't playing the same game they are.

Anne

On Jun 8, 2011, at 9:07 AM, baxrox wrote:

Jim (who calls 'em like he sees 'em!) ~ it wasn't making sense to me either and it appears that 's response to Laurel sheds a bit of light on this discrepancy. I hope we learn more about his turn away from the research.One of the first things I get asked when I talk about iodine & especially regular & /or large dosing as recommended in the iodine protocol is "do the people promoting that make money on it?" Well, I would think that Abraham, Hakala and Flechas do (think, but do not know if they benefit from the sale of Iodoral) and I don't know about Brownstein. The second question I am most often asked is "who is using that (those doses) in their practice?" Now that Dr. Brownstein is not, what is the answer to that? There is always the question of keeping current ... does the research done years ago support today's application. What has or has not changed since then?Then there is 's story ~ the one I most frequently refer to when explaining real time, proof in the flesh, patient benefit of the iodine protocol. No financial benefit there and the primary promoter of the iodine protocol in a forum that everyone can access.Hmmm, what to think.Anyway Jim, always good to have critical thinkers and voices that question everything!One of the quotes I keep around goes like this: "Arguments clarify the mind and compel us to analyze our convictions which we are otherwise to lazy to do until we put them into words." It reminds me of the value of a good conversation and I usually change the word "arguments" for "conversations".> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone - I'm a patient of Dr. Flechas and he just started me on 100mg Iodoral per day with ATP Co-Factors. I have a multi-nodular goiter that is growing a lot and now it has a "solid nodule" that is really scary sounding as it is associated with malignancy.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've had 3 ultrasounds in 3 years and it is constantly growing. Three months ago Flechas put me on 75mg/day of colloidal silver in order to shrink it, but that didn't work. (Three months work of silver treatment = $150.) I had one biopsy about 2 years ago and back then the pathologist said it had a 1% chance of being cancer, but now this "solid nodule" has reared it's ugly head. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Flechas didn't seem to want to proceed to iodine therapy. He said "I'd like to try you on 3 months of colloidal silver to see if that shrinks it" and I said "I just came off of 3 months of colloidal silver." Duh! This was not a warm fuzzy! Now I have extreme doubts as to his sanity, or maybe eyesight. Also, the iodine is causing sleeplessness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My other doc sent me to see the surgeon last Christmas and the surgeon said that it didn't look that bad, just to keep an eye on it, but that was 6 months ago. Yes, a surgeon actually didn't recommend surgery! I've got another appt with the same surgeon this month to see if his opinion has changed in light of the "solid nodule". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I'd like to know now is:> > > > > > > 1) How likely is the iodine to "fix" this?> > > > > > > 2) Should I get another biopsy?> > > > > > > 3) Should I get it yanked out?> > > > > > > 4) Are there any good alternatives to RAI?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your input!> > > > > > > Laurel> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Karin,

That's what I've been thinking. We all change our minds and we all

forget things, but prescribing for a patient when you don't have her

medical record in mind and a clear knowledge of what you've already

prescribed is way beyond a momentary lapse of some kind.

On 6/8/2011 6:53 PM, Karin wrote:

After reading all the replies in this thread, it seems to

me Flechas is having more problems than changing his mind.

Maybe it's because I work for dentists and I've seen all

kinds of things go on, but it sounds like he might be

losing his mental "crispness" such as light dementia,or

some other intense neurological pathology. That makes the

MOST sense to me after I've read over everything.

Karin

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi Everyone - I'm

a patient of Dr. Flechas and he just started me on 100mg

Iodoral per day with ATP Co-Factors. I have a

multi-nodular goiter that is growing a lot and now it has

a "solid nodule" that is really scary sounding as it is

associated with malignancy.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I've had 3

ultrasounds in 3 years and it is constantly growing. Three

months ago Flechas put me on 75mg/day of colloidal silver

in order to shrink it, but that didn't work. (Three months

work of silver treatment = $150.) I had one biopsy about 2

years ago and back then the pathologist said it had a 1%

chance of being cancer, but now this "solid nodule" has

reared it's ugly head.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Flechas didn't

seem to want to proceed to iodine therapy. He said "I'd

like to try you on 3 months of colloidal silver to see if

that shrinks it" and I said "I just came off of 3 months

of colloidal silver." Duh! This was not a warm fuzzy! Now

I have extreme doubts as to his sanity, or maybe eyesight.

Also, the iodine is causing sleeplessness.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My other doc sent

me to see the surgeon last Christmas and the surgeon said

that it didn't look that bad, just to keep an eye on it,

but that was 6 months ago. Yes, a surgeon actually didn't

recommend surgery! I've got another appt with the same

surgeon this month to see if his opinion has changed in

light of the "solid nodule".

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What I'd like to

know now is:

> > > > > > > > 1) How likely is

the iodine to "fix" this?

> > > > > > > > 2) Should I get

another biopsy?

> > > > > > > > 3) Should I get it

yanked out?

> > > > > > > > 4) Are there any

good alternatives to RAI?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

for your input!

> > > > > > > > Laurel

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

There's nothing wrong with CS for immune building but it needn't be that

expensive. Plus, no thyroid will get well without iodine, and lots of it,

along with the full amounts of the companion nutrients. Any doc who loses

this truth is no longer someone to recommend. Remember that med schools

are still teaching the lies and demonization of iodine, so why should it be

surprising if an MD returns to their earliest training and gives up the

fight for truth? It's just the path of least resistance.

Meanwhile, the truth is available right here.

--

At 12:50 PM 6/8/2011, you wrote:

>If you re-read it, she said that she wanted iodine and he didn't want to

>do it. He told her he wanted to try the Colloidal Silver first. She did

>it for 3 mos ($150) and it didn't work. So she returned to him and asked

>for it again and he suggested the CS treatment for a 2nd time and she

>reminded him that she had already been on it and it wasn't effective -

>that is when he finally put her on the 100 mgs Iodoral and ATP CoFactors -

>but nothing else like Vit C, Selenium and Magnesium or even refined

>salt. He also did not discuss the possibility of detoxing. That is her

>complaint. I have not heard about CS being effective for shrinking

>nodules but am going to look into it.

>

> Buist, ND

>

> Re: Just started Iodine therapy

>

>

>

>She said Dr. Flechas does have her on iodine (100 mg Iodoral day). When

>she said " Flechas didn't seem to want to proceed to iodine therapy " I

>think she meant radioiodine therapy.

>

>

> >

>

>

>

>

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Dear Baxrox and Jim This is a very interesting thread but maybe I missed the detail in the back and forths but did you say that Dr Brownstein is no longer using ‘those doses’ : Snip :… The second question I am most often asked is " who is using that > (those doses) in their practice? " Now that Dr. Brownstein is not, what > is the answer to that? Can you clarify what ‘those does’ are and why Dr Brownstein is no longer using ‘those doses’ . Thanks. Stan From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of dutchdivcoSent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:24 AMiodine Subject: Re: Just started Iodine therapy As someone who always calls em as I sees em, we should remember that we're all basing this on one persons version of a conversation.Not casting aspersions on the member who started this thread, but quite often I've experienced " I know you think you know what I said, but the truth of the matter is what you heard is not what i meant " , as well as " Listen to what I mean, not what i say " , and various other versions of miscommunication.Whats that party game, where you sit in a line, and whisper from one to the next? Never seen the 'message' at the end, resemble the message as it started out. I'm jus saying,...Jim>On Jun 8, 2011, at 9:07 AM, baxrox wrote:>>>>Jim (who calls 'em like he sees 'em!) ~ it wasn't making sense to me > either and it appears that 's response to Laurel sheds a bit > of light on this discrepancy. I hope we learn more about his turn away > from the research.>>One of the first things I get asked when I talk about iodine & > especially regular & /or large dosing as recommended in the iodine > protocol is " do the people promoting that make money on it? " Well, I > would think that Abraham, Hakala and Flechas do (think, but do not > know if they benefit from the sale of Iodoral) and I don't know about > Brownstein.>>The second question I am most often asked is " who is using that > (those doses) in their practice? " Now that Dr. Brownstein is not, what > is the answer to that? There is always the question of keeping current > ... does the research done years ago support today's application. What > has or has not changed since then?>>Then there is 's story ~ the one I most frequently refer to > when explaining real time, proof in the flesh, patient benefit of the > iodine protocol. No financial benefit there and the primary promoter > of the iodine protocol in a forum that everyone can access.>>Hmmm, what to think.>>Anyway Jim, always good to have critical thinkers and voices that > question everything!>>One of the quotes I keep around goes like this: " Arguments clarify > the mind and compel us to analyze our convictions which we are > otherwise to lazy to do until we put them into words. " >>It reminds me of the value of a good conversation and I usually > change the word " arguments " for " conversations " .>

[Guest guest]

I find it very curious that my mother in law is a patient of Dr. Brownstein, but he won’t move her above 25 mg of Iodoral, she is not on all the companion nutrients, she doesn’t know about the daily need of whole salts, nor about getting off a SAD diet and bromide containing foods. He did have her go low/no gluten, and she is improving in other areas, but I know she is not getting the companion nutrients necessary, and wonder why? I think she could have much more improvement if she at least got enough vit C, took the whole salt daily, and much more magnesium. I wish I could go to appointments with her, maybe she is just not hearing all he says, even though she sought him out after mainstream failed her. Her husband is a very allopathic doctor, and tolerates her doing this, but is not very accepting of what supplements she does take. Donna in ILHi - He only said to take 100mg Iodoral plus 2 tabs of ATP Cofactors. Never mentioned other nutrients or to avoid bromide, flouride, chlorine, etc... very disappointing! And in his office he's got a shelf up high with a can of Mt. Dew on it, and some other things to be avoided, but never pointed them out to me. I'll start taking the other nutrients.Anyone else on this list go to Flechas?Thanks,Laurel> >Yeah, I recognised the name, tho I haven't read anything of his. I was > >just going by the information in the post, and my own opinions. So, maybe > >I was talking out my a**, but when a Dr. says " I'm going to try you on x > >for 3 mos., and the patient says " But Dr., you've HAD me on X for 3 mos. > >already. " It would cause me concern, if I were the patient. Thats all I'm > >saying! I am familiar with CS as a great fighter of infection.And, I could > >see trying it for that. But Iodine is also a great fighter of > >infection.Anyway, maybe his research has taken him places far beyond where > >I am.Jim

[Guest guest]

He is incorrect. Dr. Brownstein uses doses from 6.25 mgs to 300 mgs depending on the patient's needs. He also uses Detoxified iodine in some cases where iodine is not tolerated (www.iodinesource.com )

Buist, ND

RE: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

Dear Baxrox and Jim

This is a very interesting thread but maybe I missed the detail in the back and forths but did you say that Dr Brownstein is no longer using ‘those doses’ :

Snip :… The second question I am most often asked is "who is using that > (those doses) in their practice?" Now that Dr. Brownstein is not, what > is the answer to that?

Can you clarify what ‘those does’ are and why Dr Brownstein is no longer using ‘those doses’ . Thanks.

Stan

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of dutchdivcoSent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:24 AMiodine Subject: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

As someone who always calls em as I sees em, we should remember that we're all basing this on one persons version of a conversation.Not casting aspersions on the member who started this thread, but quite often I've experienced "I know you think you know what I said, but the truth of the matter is what you heard is not what i meant", as well as "Listen to what I mean, not what i say", and various other versions of miscommunication.Whats that party game, where you sit in a line, and whisper from one to the next? Never seen the 'message' at the end, resemble the message as it started out. I'm jus saying,...Jim>On Jun 8, 2011, at 9:07 AM, baxrox wrote:>>>>Jim (who calls 'em like he sees 'em!) ~ it wasn't making sense to me > either and it appears that 's response to Laurel sheds a bit > of light on this discrepancy. I hope we learn more about his turn away > from the research.>>One of the first things I get asked when I talk about iodine & > especially regular & /or large dosing as recommended in the iodine > protocol is "do the people promoting that make money on it?" Well, I > would think that Abraham, Hakala and Flechas do (think, but do not > know if they benefit from the sale of Iodoral) and I don't know about > Brownstein.>>The second question I am most often asked is "who is using that > (those doses) in their practice?" Now that Dr. Brownstein is not, what > is the answer to that? There is always the question of keeping current > ... does the research done years ago support today's application. What > has or has not changed since then?>>Then there is 's story ~ th! e one I most frequently refer to > when explaining real time, proof in the flesh, patient benefit of the > iodine protocol. No financial benefit there and the primary promoter > of the iodine protocol in a forum that everyone can access.>>Hmmm, what to think.>>Anyway Jim, always good to have critical thinkers and voices that > question everything!>>One of the quotes I keep around goes like this: "Arguments clarify > the mind and compel us to analyze our convictions which we are > otherwise to lazy to do until we put them into words.">>It reminds me of the value of a good conversation and I usually > change the word "arguments" for "conversations".>

[Guest guest]

Jim,

It's hard for me to imagine how a patient might have misinterpreted

a prescription of "let's try this protocol for two months" when it's

the same protocol that was tried for the last two months. So, while

I am willing to allow for the possibility of a misunderstanding

here, I would not be inclined, as a patient, or a friend of the

patient, to give this doctor the benefit of the doubt. The risks

are simply too high.

On 6/9/2011 1:23 AM, dutchdivco wrote:

As someone who always calls em as I sees em, we should

remember that we're all basing this on one persons version

of a conversation.Not casting aspersions on the member who

started this thread, but quite often I've experienced "I

know you think you know what I said, but the truth of the

matter is what you heard is not what i meant", as well as

"Listen to what I mean, not what i say", and various other

versions of miscommunication.Whats that party game, where

you sit in a line, and whisper from one to the next? Never

seen the 'message' at the end, resemble the message as it

started out. I'm jus saying,...Jim

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hi

Everyone - I'm a patient of Dr. Flechas and he just

> > started me on 100mg Iodoral per day with ATP

Co-Factors. I have a

> > multi-nodular goiter that is growing a lot and

now it has a "solid

> > nodule" that is really scary sounding as it is

associated with malignancy.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I've had

3 ultrasounds in 3 years and it is constantly

> > growing. Three months ago Flechas put me on

75mg/day of colloidal

> > silver in order to shrink it, but that didn't

work. (Three months work

> > of silver treatment = $150.) I had one biopsy

about 2 years ago and

> > back then the pathologist said it had a 1%

chance of being cancer, but

> > now this "solid nodule" has reared it's ugly

head.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Flechas

didn't seem to want to proceed to iodine

> > therapy. He said "I'd like to try you on 3

months of colloidal silver

> > to see if that shrinks it" and I said "I just

came off of 3 months of

> > colloidal silver." Duh! This was not a warm

fuzzy! Now I have extreme

> > doubts as to his sanity, or maybe eyesight.

Also, the iodine is

> > causing sleeplessness.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My other

doc sent me to see the surgeon last Christmas

> > and the surgeon said that it didn't look that

bad, just to keep an eye

> > on it, but that was 6 months ago. Yes, a surgeon

actually didn't

> > recommend surgery! I've got another appt with

the same surgeon this

> > month to see if his opinion has changed in light

of the "solid nodule".

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What I'd

like to know now is:

> > > > > > > > > > 1) How

likely is the iodine to "fix" this?

> > > > > > > > > > 2)

Should I get another biopsy?

> > > > > > > > > > 3)

Should I get it yanked out?

> > > > > > > > > > 4) Are

there any good alternatives to RAI?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks

in advance for your input!

> > > > > > > > > > Laurel

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It should have been written in the chart notes which he should have reviewed.

Busit, ND

Re: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

Jim,It's hard for me to imagine how a patient might have misinterpreted a prescription of "let's try this protocol for two months" when it's the same protocol that was tried for the last two months. So, while I am willing to allow for the possibility of a misunderstanding here, I would not be inclined, as a patient, or a friend of the patient, to give this doctor the benefit of the doubt. The risks are simply too high. On 6/9/2011 1:23 AM, dutchdivco wrote:

As someone who always calls em as I sees em, we should remember that we're all basing this on one persons version of a conversation.Not casting aspersions on the member who started this thread, but quite often I've experienced "I know you think you know what I said, but the truth of the matter is what you heard is not what i meant", as well as "Listen to what I mean, not what i say", and various other versions of miscommunication.Whats that party game, where you sit in a line, and whisper from one to the next? Never seen the 'message' at the end, resemble the message as it started out. I'm jus saying,...Jim> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone - I'm a patient of Dr. Flechas and he just > > started me on 100mg Iodoral per day with ATP Co-Factors. I have a > > multi-nodular goiter that is growing a lot and now it has a "solid > > nodule" that is really scary sounding as it is associated with malignancy.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I've had 3 ultrasounds in 3 years and it is constantly > > growing. Three months ago Flechas put me on 75mg/day of colloidal > > silver in order to shrink it, but that didn't work. (Three months work > > of silver treatment = $150.) I had one biopsy about 2 years ago and > > back then the pathologist said it had a 1% chance of being cancer, but > > now this "solid nodule" has reared it's ugly head.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Flechas didn't seem to want to proceed to iodine > > therapy. He said "I'd like to try you on 3 months of colloidal silver > > to see if that shrinks it" and I said "I just came off of 3 months of > > colloidal silver." Duh! This was not a warm fuzzy! Now I have extreme > > doubts as to his sanity, or maybe eyesight. Also, the iodine is > > causing sleeplessness.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > My other doc sent me to see the surgeon last Christmas > > and the surgeon said that it didn't look that bad, just to keep an eye > > on it, but that was 6 months ago. Yes, a surgeon actually didn't > > recommend surgery! I've got another appt with the same surgeon this > > month to see if his opinion has changed in light of the "solid nodule".> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > What I'd like to know now is:> > > > > > > > > > 1) How likely is the iodine to "fix" this?> > > > > > > > > > 2) Should I get another biopsy?> > > > > > > > > > 3) Should I get it yanked out?> > > > > > > > > > 4) Are there any good alternatives to RAI?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your input!> > > > > > > > > > Laurel> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Actually I wrote to Dr Flechas when I first found out I had papillary cancer and his advice was to have a TT and then treat with iodine.

It's interesting what you say about treating with iodine takes time etc., but it is so hard to keep positive and sure about what you are doing! In my case, (I was diagnosed in Dec 09) I have not yet agreed to the op because I wanted to strengthen my body first and treat holistically (have also recently started with armour so am waiting to see what changes that will bring) - however, although there is no apparent growth, there is still no real reduction in my thyroid "lump" and I'm coming to the conclusion that maybe it would be better to have the TT (not the RAI) and continue with the holistic therapies without the constant worry in my head as to whether I am doing the right thing holding off etc. I have read the reports that say actually if you do nothing and don't have your thyroid out, you have as much chance of living a long life - the only thing is, I don't want to be one of the

ones where sadly that isn't the case.

Of course I know everyone is different, any more views out there please? I know there are a few of us in this boat?

From: dutchdivco <jdutchmanjim@...>iodine Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2011, 23:48Subject: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

JUST cause someone has initials in front of their name, like DR, doesn't mean they know what they are doing, just that they are 'practicing'.Sounds, just going from the post, like he may have been practicing too long? I mean its GOOD that he didn't immediately say "Cut it out", like most Drrrrrrs, and that the surgeon was also conservative,but come on! Jim> > > > > > > Hi Everyone - I'm a patient of Dr. Flechas and he just started me on 100mg Iodoral per day with ATP Co-Factors. I have a multi-nodular goiter that is growing a lot and

now it has a "solid nodule" that is really scary sounding as it is associated with malignancy.> > > > > > > > I've had 3 ultrasounds in 3 years and it is constantly growing. Three months ago Flechas put me on 75mg/day of colloidal silver in order to shrink it, but that didn't work. (Three months work of silver treatment = $150.) I had one biopsy about 2 years ago and back then the pathologist said it had a 1% chance of being cancer, but now this "solid nodule" has reared it's ugly head. > > > > > > > > Flechas didn't seem to want to proceed to iodine therapy. He said "I'd like to try you on 3 months of colloidal silver to see if that shrinks it" and I said "I just came off of 3 months of colloidal silver." Duh! This was not a warm fuzzy! Now I have extreme doubts as to his sanity, or maybe eyesight. Also, the iodine is causing sleeplessness. > > > > > > > >

My other doc sent me to see the surgeon last Christmas and the surgeon said that it didn't look that bad, just to keep an eye on it, but that was 6 months ago. Yes, a surgeon actually didn't recommend surgery! I've got another appt with the same surgeon this month to see if his opinion has changed in light of the "solid nodule". > > > > > > > > What I'd like to know now is:> > > > 1) How likely is the iodine to "fix" this?> > > > 2) Should I get another biopsy?> > > > 3) Should I get it yanked out?> > > > 4) Are there any good alternatives to RAI?> > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your input!> > > > Laurel> > > > > > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Cancer is not the tumor. It is a systemic disease. If you don't correct the whole system, the cancer will just come back, or you will get a different cancer, because the cancer process is still at work.A woman I knew was declared totally (breast) cancer-free after grueling treatment -- only to have the cancer roar back worse than ever & kill her. (She may have lived longer, but much of that time was spent puking.)A cousin of my husband's had ovarian cancer, went through horrendous treatment for that, & then developed colon cancer. (The docs were at great pains to explain to the family that the second cancer was NOT a recurrence of the first. They were completely different cancers under the microscope. But she's dead anyway, so I'm guessing that distinction doesn't mean much to her.)This is completely aside from the problem that some mainstream cancer treatment tends to be carcinogenic. (There is research that shows quite clearly that people who were aggressively treated for cancer in childhood tend to develop OTHER cancers...)One consideration here is that if you are able to REVERSE your cancer with holistic methods, that would suggest that you are curing the whole system. Your tumor is an indicator of your progress. If you remove the tumor, how will you know if what you are doing is really healing the whole system? If you can look at it as though it were a warning light on your dashboard, perhaps that would help?I know -- hard to love your cancer. Hard not to be afraid of it. It would help a whole lot if you had some progress...You are right that fear isn't good for you. Is there any way for you to meet people who are having the proposed treatment? Most of the time, when we are told our options, we don't really understand them deeply. Maybe more information would help you make a decision you were comfortable with? Although you have to be careful to observe how they look & behave as much as what they say. Sometimes people are too accepting of their illness...AnneOn Jun 20, 2011, at 2:24 AM, Kuziw wrote:

Actually I wrote to Dr Flechas when I first found out I had papillary cancer and his advice was to have a TT and then treat with iodine.

It's interesting what you say about treating with iodine takes time etc., but it is so hard to keep positive and sure about what you are doing! In my case, (I was diagnosed in Dec 09) I have not yet agreed to the op because I wanted to strengthen my body first and treat holistically (have also recently started with armour so am waiting to see what changes that will bring) - however, although there is no apparent growth, there is still no real reduction in my thyroid "lump" and I'm coming to the conclusion that maybe it would be better to have the TT (not the RAI) and continue with the holistic therapies without the constant worry in my head as to whether I am doing the right thing holding off etc. I have read the reports that say actually if you do nothing and don't have your thyroid out, you have as much chance of living a long life - the only thing is, I don't want to be one of the

ones where sadly that isn't the case.

Of course I know everyone is different, any more views out there please? I know there are a few of us in this boat?

From: dutchdivco <jdutchmanjim@...>iodine Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2011, 23:48Subject: Re: Just started Iodine therapy

JUST cause someone has initials in front of their name, like DR, doesn't mean they know what they are doing, just that they are 'practicing'.Sounds, just going from the post, like he may have been practicing too long? I mean its GOOD that he didn't immediately say "Cut it out", like most Drrrrrrs, and that the surgeon was also conservative,but come on! Jim> > > > > > > Hi Everyone - I'm a patient of Dr. Flechas and he just started me on 100mg Iodoral per day with ATP Co-Factors. I have a multi-nodular goiter that is growing a lot and

now it has a "solid nodule" that is really scary sounding as it is associated with malignancy.> > > > > > > > I've had 3 ultrasounds in 3 years and it is constantly growing. Three months ago Flechas put me on 75mg/day of colloidal silver in order to shrink it, but that didn't work. (Three months work of silver treatment = $150.) I had one biopsy about 2 years ago and back then the pathologist said it had a 1% chance of being cancer, but now this "solid nodule" has reared it's ugly head. > > > > > > > > Flechas didn't seem to want to proceed to iodine therapy. He said "I'd like to try you on 3 months of colloidal silver to see if that shrinks it" and I said "I just came off of 3 months of colloidal silver." Duh! This was not a warm fuzzy! Now I have extreme doubts as to his sanity, or maybe eyesight. Also, the iodine is causing sleeplessness. > > > > > > > >

My other doc sent me to see the surgeon last Christmas and the surgeon said that it didn't look that bad, just to keep an eye on it, but that was 6 months ago. Yes, a surgeon actually didn't recommend surgery! I've got another appt with the same surgeon this month to see if his opinion has changed in light of the "solid nodule". > > > > > > > > What I'd like to know now is:> > > > 1) How likely is the iodine to "fix" this?> > > > 2) Should I get another biopsy?> > > > 3) Should I get it yanked out?> > > > 4) Are there any good alternatives to RAI?> > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your input!> > > > Laurel> > > > > > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

The iodine is very drying, she needs to also put oil or cream on her neck to keep it from further drying out. I have seen that people use all different types of oil, usually food oil of some kind. I personally use Eucerin or Vanicream though they are probably not as pure as many would use and may not be the best for someone who is fighting cancer.

Higgins

http://becomingaspecialneedsadvocate.blogspot.com/

Re: Just started Iodine therapy

A few/serveral days ago my 20 yr old daughter started painting her neck

at night. (she has malignant nodule on her thyroid). Her skin became

very dry and hurts a bit. I told her to skip one night. The skin is

very lightly peeling.

I told her when she paints not to put it on too thick. The other night

she had it on so thick that she could taste it.

She is just concerned about starting up again - and wanted me to check

with the experienced people here.

Thanks very much,

Have a blessed day,

Luci

> > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Everyone - I'm a patient of Dr. Flechas and he just

started me on 100mg Iodoral per day with ATP Co-Factors. I have a

multi-nodular goiter that is growing a lot and now it has a "solid

nodule" that is really scary sounding as it is associated with

malignancy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've had 3 ultrasounds in 3 years and it is constantly

growing. Three months ago Flechas put me on 75mg/day of colloidal silver

in order to shrink it, but that didn't work. (Three months work of

silver treatment = $150.) I had one biopsy about 2 years ago and back

then the pathologist said it had a 1% chance of being cancer, but now

this "solid nodule" has reared it's ugly head.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Flechas didn't seem to want to proceed to iodine therapy. He

said "I'd like to try you on 3 months of colloidal silver to see if that

shrinks it" and I said "I just came off of 3 months of colloidal

silver." Duh! This was not a warm fuzzy! Now I have extreme doubts as to

his sanity, or maybe eyesight. Also, the iodine is causing

sleeplessness.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My other doc sent me to see the surgeon last Christmas and

the surgeon said that it didn't look that bad, just to keep an eye on

it, but that was 6 months ago. Yes, a surgeon actually didn't recommend

surgery! I've got another appt with the same surgeon this month to see

if his opinion has changed in light of the "solid nodule".

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What I'd like to know now is:

> > > > > > 1) How likely is the iodine to "fix" this?

> > > > > > 2) Should I get another biopsy?

> > > > > > 3) Should I get it yanked out?

> > > > > > 4) Are there any good alternatives to RAI?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks in advance for your input!

> > > > > > Laurel

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Several people have reported that mixing the Lugol's with castor oil or coconut oil (Or some other oil) takes care of the skin irritation.As for putting on too much -- well, with a malignancy, I would use as much as possible, & just increase companion nutrients & salt loading if there are symptoms.AnneOn Jun 21, 2011, at 9:25 AM, luci535 wrote:

A few/serveral days ago my 20 yr old daughter started painting her neck

at night. (she has malignant nodule on her thyroid). Her skin became

very dry and hurts a bit. I told her to skip one night. The skin is

very lightly peeling.

I told her when she paints not to put it on too thick. The other night

she had it on so thick that she could taste it.

She is just concerned about starting up again - and wanted me to check

with the experienced people here.

Thanks very much,

Have a blessed day,

Luci

> > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Everyone - I'm a patient of Dr. Flechas and he just

started me on 100mg Iodoral per day with ATP Co-Factors. I have a

multi-nodular goiter that is growing a lot and now it has a "solid

nodule" that is really scary sounding as it is associated with

malignancy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've had 3 ultrasounds in 3 years and it is constantly

growing. Three months ago Flechas put me on 75mg/day of colloidal silver

in order to shrink it, but that didn't work. (Three months work of

silver treatment = $150.) I had one biopsy about 2 years ago and back

then the pathologist said it had a 1% chance of being cancer, but now

this "solid nodule" has reared it's ugly head.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Flechas didn't seem to want to proceed to iodine therapy. He

said "I'd like to try you on 3 months of colloidal silver to see if that

shrinks it" and I said "I just came off of 3 months of colloidal

silver." Duh! This was not a warm fuzzy! Now I have extreme doubts as to

his sanity, or maybe eyesight. Also, the iodine is causing

sleeplessness.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My other doc sent me to see the surgeon last Christmas and

the surgeon said that it didn't look that bad, just to keep an eye on

it, but that was 6 months ago. Yes, a surgeon actually didn't recommend

surgery! I've got another appt with the same surgeon this month to see

if his opinion has changed in light of the "solid nodule".

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What I'd like to know now is:

> > > > > > 1) How likely is the iodine to "fix" this?

> > > > > > 2) Should I get another biopsy?

> > > > > > 3) Should I get it yanked out?

> > > > > > 4) Are there any good alternatives to RAI?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks in advance for your input!

> > > > > > Laurel

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[Guest guest]

At 11:03 AM 6/21/2011, you wrote:

>

>

>

>The iodine is very drying, she needs to also put oil or cream on her

>neck to keep it from further drying out. I have seen that people

>use all different types of oil, usually food oil of some kind. I

>personally use Eucerin or Vanicream though they are probably not as

>pure as many would use and may not be the best for someone who is

>fighting cancer.

>

> Higgins

>http://becomingaspecialneedsadvocate.blogspot.com/

,

Speaking of Eucerin cream, there was just a while ago today an email

from Dr. Mercola saying that Eucerin used on mice caused tumors to

grow larger. To get those results they might have thoroughly doused

the mice in it, but who knows.

I just thought I would add in my .02 cents.

H.

[Guest guest]

Luci,

Your daughter should mix the Lugol's with the oils before

application. If using coconut and/or castor oils, these will help

-- not hinder -- absorption of the iodine to deeper levels of the

body. Very likely olive oil will help absorption as well. (I'm not

sure what you mean by "creams" but she shouldn't use anything that

wouldn't be healthy to eat.) There shouldn't be any burning or

peeling, but she is best advised to measure the amounts of Lugol's

she applies in case she is really overdoing it. Contrary to what

the iodine docs say regarding limited effectiveness of transdermal

application -- using that method only, I have easily overdone the

milligram amounts I can tolerate without serious detox overload.

She needs to measure the Lugol's so she can add or subtract as

needed.

On 6/21/2011 8:28 PM, luci535 wrote:

I have both plus olive oil and creams. So, based on your

response, could she put the iodine on and then a few

minutes after put coconut oil or olive oil on? It won't

block any absorption/action on the nodules?

Thanks very much!

Have a blessed evening,

Luci

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi Everyone - I'm

a patient of Dr. Flechas and he just

> > started me on 100mg Iodoral per day with ATP

Co-Factors. I have a

> > multi-nodular goiter that is growing a lot and

now it has a "solid

> > nodule" that is really scary sounding as it is

associated with

> > malignancy.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I've had 3

ultrasounds in 3 years and it is constantly

> > growing. Three months ago Flechas put me on

75mg/day of colloidal silver

> > in order to shrink it, but that didn't work.

(Three months work of

> > silver treatment = $150.) I had one biopsy about

2 years ago and back

> > then the pathologist said it had a 1% chance of

being cancer, but now

> > this "solid nodule" has reared it's ugly head.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Flechas didn't

seem to want to proceed to iodine therapy. He

> > said "I'd like to try you on 3 months of

colloidal silver to see if that

> > shrinks it" and I said "I just came off of 3

months of colloidal

> > silver." Duh! This was not a warm fuzzy! Now I

have extreme doubts as to

> > his sanity, or maybe eyesight. Also, the iodine

is causing

> > sleeplessness.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My other doc sent

me to see the surgeon last Christmas and

> > the surgeon said that it didn't look that bad,

just to keep an eye on

> > it, but that was 6 months ago. Yes, a surgeon

actually didn't recommend

> > surgery! I've got another appt with the same

surgeon this month to see

> > if his opinion has changed in light of the

"solid nodule".

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What I'd like to

know now is:

> > > > > > > > 1) How likely is

the iodine to "fix" this?

> > > > > > > > 2) Should I get

another biopsy?

> > > > > > > > 3) Should I get it

yanked out?

> > > > > > > > 4) Are there any

good alternatives to RAI?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

for your input!

> > > > > > > > Laurel

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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> > > >

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>

[Guest guest]

Luci-- has used external application of Lugol's extensively and is

really our resident expert on the matter.

-- did you ever get a skin reaction?

--

At 03:33 AM 6/22/2011, you wrote:

>Luci,

>

>Your daughter should mix the Lugol's with the oils before application. If

>using coconut and/or castor oils, these will help -- not hinder --

>absorption of the iodine to deeper levels of the body. Very likely olive

>oil will help absorption as well. (I'm not sure what you mean by " creams "

>but she shouldn't use anything that wouldn't be healthy to eat.) There

>shouldn't be any burning or peeling, but she is best advised to measure

>the amounts of Lugol's she applies in case she is really overdoing

>it. Contrary to what the iodine docs say regarding limited effectiveness

>of transdermal application -- using that method only, I have easily

>overdone the milligram amounts I can tolerate without serious detox

>overload. She needs to measure the Lugol's so she can add or subtract as

>needed.

>

>

>

>On 6/21/2011 8:28 PM, luci535 wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>I have both plus olive oil and creams. So, based on your response, could

>>she put the iodine on and then a few minutes after put coconut oil or

>>olive oil on? It won't block any absorption/action on the nodules?

>>Thanks very much!

>>Have a blessed evening,

>>Luci

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste