Re: advice in self treatment of adrenal fatigue and treating candida

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Hi Elaine

I remembered you posted last week, too. sorry no one replied to you :-(

I think you said your Gp wouldn't test free t3, is that right?

Do you know please what your TSh results were when you say borderline, and are

now? and your T4 (with range?)

Please post the actual saliva results, with ranges, for each time of day. that

way people might be able to see what is going on and what might help you or

point you in the right direction

out of interest what is your body temp? (you say it's low)

how did you feel during taking the flucanozole? better?worse? do you have

symptoms of candida, do you think? there are other things you can take for

candida - goldenseal, wild oregano oil, to name but two. but also, google

biotin deficiency and candidda and you'll see that some say that if you have

deficiency in biotin that it's this that lets candida turn into it's 'bad' form.

> I believe that I can not start to treat my thyroid without first treating the

adrenal fatigue and this will not improve without getting rid of the candida

which I am finding difficult to do.

it takes time. some people take adrenal glandulars - nutri adrenal, or adrenal

cortex (such as from www.mandimart.co.uk - i don' tknow of anywhere else in UK

that sells it). you can get the nutri stuff at a discount from Nutri, i believe

> I am also changing my diet trying to avoid sugar and taking berocca vit c and

selinium with added vitamins.

sounds like a good start. what are the added vitamins yo'ure taking? some

people with thyroid problems are low in vitamin A, vitamin D3, ferritin (storage

form of iron, i believe), vitamin b12, and a few other things (inc zinc, copper,

magnesium ). if these things are low then thyroid can't be used properly, i

gather.

chris

[Guest guest]

I have suffered with borderline hypothyroidism

for over 18 years. I am currently taking 25mcg levothyroxine and my TSH is

within range at present.

You should titrate your dose of levothyroxine according to what

symptoms you are suffering and signs that can be seen. You should not titrate

your dose in order to get your TSH within range.

I have done the salivary test cortisol levels

within range DHEA well below in all four readings.

For low DHEA you should be taking 25mgs DHEA which is available

from many Internet Pharmacies. Sometimes, you will not feel the effects of

additional DHEA for up to 3 months after starting it so you have to persevere -

but when you do start to feel the benefits, you will feel a huge difference.

I have also done adrenal test and have low basal

body temp and scratch test that stays white.

Are you taking any Nutri Adrenal Extra or other adrenal

supplements? If you, this is something you should be considering. Thyroid

hormone cannot be fully utilised at the cellular level with low adrenal

reserve. Neither can it be if you are suffering with low levels of ferritin,

vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper or zinc. Get these tested

and if any are low, they must be supplemented.

I also have candida I have treated this with

fluconazole 150mg once a week for 3 weeks.

Did you also do the Candida Diet - you can check on these in our

FILES section under the FOLDER 'Candida'- this is not something that can be

done quickly and you have to persevere.

I have repeated the spit test and it still

grows roots sinking to the bottom of the glass indicating the fungus is still

active. after looking at your site there is information on sodiumbicarbonate as

a treatment so I am now in the process of trying this.

Check out the Candida Folder and go through all of the documents

there, also read the information in our web site www.tpa-uk.org.uk under 'Hypothyroidism'

and then in the drop down Menu under 'Associated Conditions' click on 'Candida'

and read the information there.

I believe that I can not start to treat my

thyroid without first treating the adrenal fatigue and this will not improve without

getting rid of the candida which I am finding difficult to do. Does anyone have

any suggestions.

You do need to start with adrenal supplements for at least 7

days before starting thyroid hormone replacement but you can start the candida

treatment whilst you are taking thyroid hormone replacement. Read everything

there is and if any problems, just shout. Lots of our members have had to go

through what you are going through right now and come out on top.

I am also changing my diet trying to avoid

sugar and taking berocca vit c and selinium with added vitamins.

That is good.

Luv - Sheila

[Guest guest]

Thank you I will do as you suggest, get some nutri adrenal extra, though I

thought berocca vit c would have been sufficient. I will also see if my GP will

allow the blood tests though he is not very supportive. thank you for your help

elaine

>

> I have suffered with borderline hypothyroidism for over 18 years. I am

> currently taking 25mcg levothyroxine and my TSH is within range at present.

[Ed]

[Guest guest]

Thank you for you help and support I did post my blood tests on line but did not

get a reply. TSH 3.8 (0.5-4.7)

T4 12 (9-24) Ferritin 37(15-300)folate 6.3

Basal body temp is 35.9

Salivary DHEA 8am 1.5(7.0-18.3) 12noon 0.3 (4.8-8.2)4pm 0.2 (3.5-6.0) and

midnight 0.4 (2.0 - 4.0)

I will contact my Gp again for other blood tests as you suggest.

When taking fluconazole I only took one tablet weekly for 3 weeks I did not feel

any different. I have suffered with vaginal thrush for many years and not made

the connection with my adrenals. I have also been to GP and mentioned that I

have a coating on my tongue and horrid tasted in my mouth this has not changed.

the spit test is positive and I think I have gut leakage. i had mentioned this

to my gp some time ago and swabs have been positive though I fail to respond to

treatment ( i just never made the connection until I read the information on the

tpa site).

thank you for your advice

elaine

>

> Hi Elaine

>

> I remembered you posted last week, too. sorry no one replied to you :-(

>

> I think you said your Gp wouldn't test free t3, is that right?

>

> Do you know please what your TSh results were when you say borderline, and are

now? and your T4 (with range?)

>

[Ed]

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I have suffered with borderline hypothyroidism for over 18 years. I am

> > currently taking 25mcg levothyroxine and my TSH is within range at present.

>

>

> [Ed]

>

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Hi thank you for your support I had posted my results a couple of weeks

ago but nobody got back to me and I have just repeated the process again though

it had not posted so i am just getting used to the site, not sure if i should be

replying to your post or whether i should be creating a new one.

recent TSH 3.8 (0.5-4.7) T4 12 (9-24) ferritin 37 (15-300) folate 6.3

basal body temp 35.9 DHEA salivary test 8 am 1.5 (7.0-18.3) 12 noon 0.3

(4.8-8.2) 4pm 0.2 (3.5-6.0) midnight 0.4 (2.0-5.0)

I have suffered with thrush symptoms for what seems like years and not made the

connection until I saw this site. I also have systemic symptoms with a horrid

tast and coating on my tongue and i think i have a leaky gut (-sounds awful)not

noticed a great difference on fluconazole, still have the leaky gut. i have only

been taking one capsule per week for three weeks - do you think i should

continue have now started socium bicarbonate but it is making me feel a bit

nauseous and giving me a bit of ingdigestion.

thank you for reply and i will see if my gp will do further blood tests elaine

>

> Hi Elaine

>

> I remembered you posted last week, too. sorry no one replied to you :-(

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Elaine

Below are just some of the reasons why your thyroid hormone may

not be working. It might be an idea to get the test for Genova Diagnostics to

see whether you have Candida antibodies. Check our FILES section of this forum

and open the 'Candida' FOLDER and read all the information there. Then open the

FOLDER on 'Discounts on Tests and Supplements and you will find what you have

to do to get this particular test. TPA members get a discount so please follow

the instructions when ordering.

Your

thyroid function test results do show that you are hypothyroid. TSH should be

around 1.00, and definitely, if you showed these results in Germany, Belgium,

Sweden and the US, you would have been given a diagnosis and started on treatment.

The top of the TSH range is 2.5 and 3.0 in the US. Your ferritin and Folate are

both VERY low and must be supplemented. According to Dr Broda and Dr

Datis Kharrazion, ferritin levels for women should be around 100 to 130 - so

you have a long way to go to get these increased sufficient for  your thyroid

hormone to be utilised at the cellular level. Basal Temperature is also far,

far too low and this could be because you are suffering with low adrenal

reserve. You also need to boost your DHEA with 25mgs DHEA daily.

There are

MANY reasons and many medical conditions associated with thyroid disease that

stop thyroid hormone from getting into the cells, where it does its work. I

mention these over and over and over again - ad nauseum - people must be bored

with the same old, same old but as each new member joins us, they need to know.

The main condition responsible for stopping thyroid hormone from

working, is, quite simply, a patients thyroxine dose is too low because the

doctor or consultant refuses to increase it, because the serum thyroid function

test results appear OK. Sometimes, the thyroxine dose is too high, yet patients

still don't feel well. They continue to suffer. Some reasons for this:

They

may be suffering with low adrenal reserve. The production of T4, its conversion

to T3, and the receptor uptake requires a normal amount of adrenal hormones,

notably, of course, cortisone. (Excess cortisone can shut production down,

however.) This is what happens if the adrenals are not responding properly, and

provision of cortisone usually switches it on again. But sometimes it

doesn’t. If the illness has been going on for a long time, the

enzyme seems to fail. This conversion failure (inexplicably denied by

many endocrinologists) means the thyroxine builds up, unconverted. So it

doesn’t work, and T4 toxicosis results. This makes the patient feel quite

unwell, toxic, often with palpitations and chest pain. If provision of adrenal

support doesn’t remedy the situation, the final solution is the use of

the active thyroid hormone, already converted, T3 - either synthetic or

natural.

Then,

we have systemic candidiasis. This is where candida albicans, a yeast, which

causes skin infections almost anywhere in the body, invades the lining of the

lower part of the small intestine and the large intestine. Here, the

candida sets up residence in the warmth and the dark, and demands to be

fed. Loving sugars and starches, candida can make you suffer terrible

sweet cravings. Candida can produce toxins which can cause very many

symptoms of exhaustion, headache, general illness, and which interfere with the

uptake of thyroid and adrenal treatment. Sometimes the levels - which we

usually test for - can be very high, and make successful treatment difficult to

achieve until adequately treated.

Then

there is receptor resistance which could be a culprit. Being hypothyroid

for some considerable time may mean the biochemical mechanisms which permit the

binding of T3 to the receptors, is downgraded - so the T3 won’t go

in. With slow build up of T3, with full adrenal support and adequate

vitamins and minerals, the receptors do come on line again. But this can

be quite a slow process, and care has to be taken to build the dose up

gradually.

And

then there are Food allergies. The most common food allergy is allergy to

gluten, the protein fraction of wheat. The antibody generated by the body, by a

process of molecular mimicry, cross reacts with the thyroperoxidase enzyme,

(which makes thyroxine) and shuts it down. So allergy to bread can make

you hypothyroid. There may be other food allergies with this kind of effect,

but information on these is scanty. Certainly allergic response to

certain foods can affect adrenal function and imperil thyroid production and

uptake.

Then we

have hormone imbalances. The whole of the endocrine system is linked; each part

of it needs the other parts to be operating normally to work properly. An

example of this we have seen already, with cortisone. But another example

is the operation of sex hormones. The imbalance that occurs at the

menopause with progesterone running down, and a relative dominance of oestrogen

is a further case in point – oestrogen dominance downgrades production,

transportation and uptake of thyroid hormones. This is why hypothyroidism

may first appear at the menopause; the symptoms ascribed to this alone, which

is then treated – often with extra oestrogen, making the whole thing

worse. Deficiency in progesterone most especially needs to be dealt with,

since it reverses oestrogen dominance, improves many menopausal symptoms like

sweats and mood swings, and reverses osteoporosis. Happily natural

progesterone cream is easily obtained: when used it has the added benefit of

helping to stabilise adrenal function.

Then,

we must never forget the possibility of mercury poisoning (through amalgam

fillings) - low levels of ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate,

copper and zinc - all of which, if low, stop the thyroid hormone from being

utilised by the cells - these have to be treated.*** see below in case your ~GP

tries to tell you there is no connection between low levels of these specific

minerals and vitamins and low thyroid. Print these out to show him/her.

As Dr

Peatfield says " When you have been quite unwell for a long time, all these

problems have to be dealt with; and since each may affect the other, it all has

to be done rather carefully.

Contrary to cherished beliefs by much of the medical

establishment, the correction of a thyroid deficiency state has a number of

complexities and variables, which make the treatment usually quite specific for

each person. The balancing of these variables is as much up to you as to

me – which is why a check of morning, day and evening temperatures and

pulse rates, together with symptoms, good and bad, can be so helpful.

Many of you have been ill for a long time, either because you

have not been diagnosed, or the treatment leaves you still quite unwell.

Those of you who have relatively mild hypothyroidism, and have been diagnosed

relatively quickly, may well respond to synthetic thyroxine, the standard

treatment. I am therefore unlikely to see you; since if the thyroxine

proves satisfactory in use, it is merely a question of dosage.

For many of you, the outstanding problem is not that the

diagnosis has not been made – although, extraordinarily, this is

disgracefully common – but that is has, and the thyroxine treatment

doesn’t work. The dose has been altered up and down, and clinical

improvement is variable and doesn’t last, in spite of blood tests, which

say you are perfectly all right (and therefore you are actually depressed and

need this fine antidepressant).

The above problems must be eliminated if thyroid hormone isn't

working for you.

***

Low iron/ferritin: Iron deficiency is shown to significantly reduce T4 to T3

conversion, increase reverse T3 levels, and block the thermogenic (metabolism

boosting) properties of thyroid hormone (1-4). Thus, iron deficiency, as

indicated by an iron saturation below 25 or a ferritin below 70, will result in

diminished intracellular T3 levels. Additionally, T4 should not be considered

adequate thyroid replacement if iron deficiency is present (1-4)).

1.

Dillman E, Gale C, Green W, et al.

Hypothermia in iron deficiency due to altered triiodithyroidine metabolism.

Regulatory, Integrative and Comparative Physiology 1980;239(5):377-R381.

2.

SM, PE, Lukaski HC. In vitro

hepatic thyroid hormone deiodination in iron-deficient rats: effect of dietary

fat. Life Sci 1993;53(8):603-9.

3.

Zimmermann MB, Köhrle J. The Impact of Iron

and Selenium Deficiencies on Iodine and Thyroid Metabolism: Biochemistry and

Relevance to Public Health. Thyroid 2002;12(10): 867-78.

4.

Beard J, tobin B, Green W. Evidence for

Thyroid Hormone Deficiency in Iron-Deficient Anemic Rats. J. Nutr.

1989;119:772-778.

Low vitamin B12: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18655403

Low vitamin D3: http://www.eje-online.org/cgi/content/abstract/113/3/329

and http://www.goodhormonehealth.com/VitaminD.pdf

Low magnesium: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC292768/pdf/jcinvest00264-0105.pdf

Low folate: http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/full/47/9/1738

and http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/thy.1999.9.1163

Low  copper http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm

http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm

http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm

http://www.rjpbcs.com/pdf/2011_2(2)/68.pdf

http://ajplegacy.physiology.org/content/171/3/652.extract

Low zinc:http://www.istanbul.edu.tr/ffdbiyo/current4/07%20Iham%20AM%C4%B0R.pdf

and http://articles.webraydian.com/article1648-Role_of_Zinc_and_Copper_in_Effective_Thyroid_Function.html

Ferritin levels for women need to be

between 70 and 90 (for men around between 150 and 170)

Vitamin B12 needs to be at the top of the

range.

D3 levels need to be about 50.

Magnesium levels need to be at the top of

the range..

Luv - Sheila

Thank you for you help and support I did post my blood tests on line but did

not get a reply. TSH 3.8 (0.5-4.7)

T4 12 (9-24) Ferritin 37(15-300)folate 6.3

Basal body temp is 35.9

Salivary DHEA 8am 1.5(7.0-18.3) 12noon 0.3 (4.8-8.2)4pm 0.2 (3.5-6.0) and

midnight 0.4 (2.0 - 4.0)

I will contact my Gp again for other blood tests as you suggest.

When taking fluconazole I only took one tablet weekly for 3 weeks I did not

feel any different. I have suffered with vaginal thrush for many years and not

made the connection with my adrenals. I have also been to GP and mentioned that

I have a coating on my tongue and horrid tasted in my mouth this has not

changed. the spit test is positive and I think I have gut leakage. i had

mentioned this to my gp some time ago and swabs have been positive though I

fail to respond to treatment ( i just never made the connection until I read

the information on the tpa site).

thank you for your advice

elaine

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[Guest guest]

You need to do a proper Yeast elimination for around 6-13 weeks and sometimes even longer.

I think there is plenty of information out there regarding the proper process to go through, its not just taking fluconazole and its not just elimination diet oe even the two of them you need to go the whole hog. Sally xxI have suffered with thrush symptoms for what seems like years and not made the connection until I saw this site. I also have systemic symptoms with a horrid tast and coating on my tongue and i think i have a leaky gut (-sounds awful)not noticed a great difference on fluconazole, still have the leaky gut. i have only been taking one capsule per week for three weeks - do you think i should continue have now started socium bicarbonate but it is making me feel a bit nauseous and giving me a bit of ingdigestion.

[Guest guest]

Best to write a letter to your GP Elaine if he is not very

supportive and ask for these specific tests for vitamins/minerals to be done

because of their association with low thyroid. You can include the references

to the research/studies carried out to show of the connection. Ask for the

letter of request to be placed into your medical notes. You will be surprised

at how much a GP will give in to your requests if they are put in writing

rather than asking for them in a face to face consultation..

Luv - Sheila

>

> Thank you I will do as you suggest, get some nutri adrenal extra, though I

thought berocca vit c would have been sufficient. I will also see if my GP will

allow the blood tests though he is not very supportive. thank you for your help

elaine

>

[Guest guest]

Problem is Elaine in the summer especially, people go away, or

if the sun comes out, heaven help everybody - we all rush out to catch it

whilst it's here and not much gets done on the forum. Also, many of us have

been down in Manchester at Dr Skinner's Hearing at the GMC which turned out to

be a total shambles and this has been adjourned until November, and I am hoping

that many, many of us will journey down to Manchester at that time to show

terrific support for him, and to give the GMC what for - so expect other times

when you might not get an answer to your questions straight away. However, if

no response appears to be forthcoming, post again with " BUMPING "

write large at the top of your message, and this will tell us all that you have

not had a response yet.

Luv - Sheila

Hi thank you for your support I had posted my results a couple of weeks

ago but nobody got back to me and I have just repeated the process again though

it had not posted so i am just getting used to the site, not sure if i should

be replying to your post or whether i should be creating a new one.

recent TSH 3.8 (0.5-4.7) T4 12 (9-24) ferritin 37 (15-300) folate 6.3

basal body temp 35.9 DHEA salivary test 8 am 1.5 (7.0-18.3) 12 noon 0.3 (4.8-8.2)

4pm 0.2 (3.5-6.0) midnight 0.4 (2.0-5.0)

[Guest guest]

> Hi thank you for your support I had posted my results a couple of weeks

ago but nobody got back to me and I have just repeated the process again though

it had not posted so i am just

sorry i think people are just busy, or for me only, sometimes i'm on this forum

a lot when i feel ok, or sometimes i'm not when i feel crap (which is often,

lately). like Sheila says, please just keep bumping your thread until you get

an answer.

> I have suffered with thrush symptoms for what seems like years and not made

the connection until I saw this site. I also have systemic symptoms with a

horrid tast and coating on my tongue and i think i have a leaky gut (-sounds

awful)not noticed a great difference on fluconazole, still have the leaky gut. i

have only been taking one capsule per week for three weeks - do you think i

should continue have now started socium bicarbonate but it is making me feel a

bit nauseous and giving me a bit of ingdigestion.

it is difficult ot know what to take, isn't it. if it makes youf eel bad then

maybe that is your guide.

i think it was Sally that said you need to do both - diet and take stuff for

candida.

Altenratives are wild oregano oil (available from mandimart.co.uk in this

country, not sure if anywhere else - iherb.com do it but mandimart sends it out

very quick, iherb is in america). GOldenseal, too. there are lots of herbal

remedies you can take for it. Molkosan is another one -that's quite cheap

(google it), and i think i've mentioned biotin?

it's said that if you don't have enough biotin that's what allows candida to

transform into it's 'bad' state. again, google this don't take my word for it,

but it looks like people take about 10 or more times the RDA of biotin for

candida.

[Guest guest]

Vitamin C can support the adrenals - it's said that the adrenals need a lot of

vitamin C.

but the reasoon people take nutri is that it's supposed to contain all the

vitamins and cofactors/enzymes what have you that your adrenals need to make

cortisol etc etc. some (like me) find nutri too stimulating and do better on

adrenal cortex only.

There are other things you can take, things like Vitamin B5 (think that's in

berocca)

if the berocca helps and makes you feel better then you could take that and the

nutri?

some people take pregnenolone too but as that is a hormone it'd be best to get

tested before taking that - here is more info on adrenals, inc pregnenolone:

http://www.lammd.com/articles/adrenal_fatigue.asp

>

> Thank you I will do as you suggest, get some nutri adrenal extra, though I

thought berocca vit c would have been sufficient. I will also see if my GP will

allow the blood tests though he is not very supportive. thank you for your help

elaine

>

[Guest guest]

Do read the label on your Berocca Vitamin C....it reads like Dr jeckyls laboratory ingredients.

Thank you I will do as you suggest, get some nutri adrenal extra, though I thought berocca vit c would have been sufficient. I will also see if my GP will allow the blood tests though he is not very supportive. thank you for your help elaine

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[Guest guest]

just been thinking and remembered you mentioned leaky gut.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stress-Effect-Discover-Connection-Between/dp/1583331816/\

ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8 & qid=1312747333 & sr=1-1

You may want to read that book as he talks about how gut problems can cause

adrenal fatigue (if i remember rightly) and how to treat them. i thik the

theory is that gut inflammation causes a drain on the adrenals because so much

cortisol is needed to dampen down the inflammation

if he's right, that might tie in with your candida and adrenal fatigue?

sorry i don't want to confuse matters or make them more complicated but you may

need to look at the bigger pciture. also i gather that a good proporption of

thyroid hormone is converted to active t3 in the gut?

do you have any mercury fillings or have you had any out lately? mercury

fillings are supposed to be linked to candida.....

don't forget probiotics eitehr....i think tha'ts how molkosan helps, it creates

an evnironment where probiotics can work better?

>

> I have suffered with thrush symptoms for what seems like years and not made

the connection until I saw this site. I also have systemic symptoms with a

horrid tast and coating on my tongue and i think i have a leaky gut (-sounds

awful)not noticed a great difference on fluconazole, still have the leaky gut. i

have only been taking one capsule per week for three weeks - do you think i

should continue have now started socium bicarbonate but it is making me feel a

bit nauseous and giving me a bit of ingdigestion.

[Guest guest]

Hi chris,

Indeed I did say that.

STOP all sugars and High GI foods, some say stop mouldy foods too and fermented foods such a vinegegars etc. READ the labels on all foods if appropriate. STOP all processed foods and indeed prepare all foods fresh yourself for th time on the diet IF POSSIBLE. You need to comit to it to get anywhere.

Take Anti fungal whatever drug or natural support

SUPPORT YOUR LIVER it will take the bang of all the die off toxins from the yeasts. Silymarin Milk Thistle is a good one

REPLACE good bacteria with probiotics. Get one that has a multiple in billions 10billion of bacteria but only two or three various types rather than a long list. It is the number that counts not the number of different strains of bateria., that you need.

Pre biotics are good too.

You may feel ill after a week that is a good sign it is DIE OFF that is the yeast are dying and giving off their toxins causing you to feel ill....the liver has to cope with this.

Drink good water regularly.

TAKE HCL this is to boost the stomach acid which is there to prevent invasions of all things including yeast. This will then stimulate other digestive juices in the gut.

Vitamin C will also help at this time. All helps with good immune function.

If you have thrush too then use probiotic on natural yoghurt and insert overnight into the vagina. Take natural probiotic yoghurt or Kefir but no other dairy during this time. 6-13 weeks.

You must do all of this not one or the other or half hearted the yeastie beasties will be back if you dont and then you wont get your thyroid or adrenal function improve...Sally xx

i think it was Sally that said you need to do both - diet and take stuff for candida. Altenratives are wild oregano oil (available from mandimart.co.uk in this country, not sure if anywhere else - iherb.com do it but mandimart sends it out very quick, iherb is in america). GOldenseal, too. there are lots of herbal remedies you can take for it. Molkosan is another one -that's quite cheap (google it), and i think i've mentioned biotin?it's said that if you don't have enough biotin that's what allows candida to transform into it's 'bad' state. again, google this don't take my word for it, but it looks like people take about 10 or more times the RDA of biotin for candida.

[Guest guest]

Sally

the only thing i'd add to that is that for me milk thistle makes me feel much

worse. i have read that it blocks off the liver and stops it dealign with the

toxins that would have been dealt with. that correlates to how i feel on MT.

so i think i would take stuff that helps the liver in other ways Swedish

Bitters, Choline, Artichoke and fibre to absorb the toxins. For me, MT isn't

good. I can't think i'm the only one....

http://www.pbiv.com/articles/milkthistle.html

chris

[Guest guest]

Can't the doctor prescribe something for this? (in addition to diet changes and

so on and all the other stuff mentioned)?

>I have suffered with vaginal thrush for many years and not made the connection

with my adrenals. I have also

[Guest guest]

Please check that this is vaginal thrush and not lichen

sclerosis. Many with symptoms of hypothyroidism and who have Hashimoto's

disease are also likely to have lichen sclerosis and this needs treatment with

a steroid (Dermovate) and not the usual ointments given for thrush.

Luv - Sheila

Can't the doctor prescribe something for this?

(in addition to diet changes and so on and all the other stuff mentioned)?

>I have suffered with vaginal thrush for many years and not made the

connection with my adrenals. I have also

[Guest guest]

Hi Elaine,

With those sort of DHEA levels you should be supplementing with DHEA.

As they are so low 50mg would not be too much I would have thought,

but, you might want to start with a lower dose and build up, as DHEA does not

always agree with some people.

I take it you do not have cortisol level results, but, with those DHEA

levels then your cortisol levels will either be dropping or struggling as DHEA

is needed to maintain cortisol.

I am in the same boat as you with regard DHEA/cortiol and this protocol was

confirmed as being the one to take by DR P.

Kind regards,

Tina.

a

> new one.

> recent TSH 3.8 (0.5-4.7) T4 12 (9-24) ferritin 37 (15-300) folate 6.3

> basal body temp 35.9 DHEA salivary test 8 am 1.5 (7.0-18.3) 12 noon 0.3

> (4.8-8.2) 4pm 0.2 (3.5-6.0) midnight 0.4 (2.0-5.0)

>

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>

> Please check that this is vaginal thrush and not lichen sclerosis. Many with

> symptoms of hypothyroidism and who have Hashimoto's disease are also likely

> to have lichen sclerosis and this needs treatment with a steroid (Dermovate)

> and not the usual ointments given for thrush.

>

> Luv - Sheila

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thank you sheila, the gp has made a referral to dermatology as my irritation

is not clearing up i will bring this up when i get my appointment in the

meantime i do have some dermovate and have researched on the net so will apply

this in the meantime thank you

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> You need to do a proper Yeast elimination for around 6-13 weeks and sometimes

even longer.

> I think there is plenty of information out there

thank you Sally, I have now started the candida diet as per the letter on the

tpa web site and trying to exclude all sugar, i have started taking sodium

bicarbonate. do you have experience of the candida diet as there are mixed

messages about eliminating all sugar and just having alittle sugar for example i

am having porridge for breakfast but there is some sugar content. thanks elaine

>

[Guest guest]

> With those sort of DHEA levels you should be supplementing with DHEA.

> As they are so low 50mg would not be too much I would have thought,

> but, you might want to start with a lower dose and build up, as DHEA does not

always agree with some people.

>Thanks Tina, I have ordered some DHEA my cortisone levels were within range on

all tests have you had much success with the dhea suppliment. i do have systemic

thrush that i need to resolve first but will start the dhea problem is i do not

want to take too much as then i would not know what is working and what is not.

i am taking berocca vit c supplements and sodium bicarbonate at present. i would

be interested to learn how you got along - regards elaine

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Hi Elaine, do I take it from your response to the above question, that my

results of TSH level at 4.5 is very high. I know in the UK treatment only

begins at a level of 5, that is what I have been told by my NHS dr who regards

any of my questions with reserve and feelings of being threatened if I show any

knowledge from notes I bring to our consultation. Unfortunately this has been

going on for almost 3 years now, and recently I was told that I could not have

another test til next year, when my last test result was last year. I live in

Derby so not sure where to turn, and thinking of going privately but have been

told I need a referral from my local GP so don't know where to turn. Any

insight would be helpful.

[Guest guest]

> i think it was Sally that said you need to do both - diet and take stuff for

candida.

>

>> it's said that if you don't have enough biotin that's what allows candida to

transform into it's 'bad' state. again, google this don't

>

Hi chris thany you for your advice, i have ordered some biotin and started the

candida diet there is conflicting info on the net suggesting having strict no

sugar for 2 weeks then introducing some sugar ie as in berries. I have also

ordered dhea and biotin and will start with these once they arrive. imy problem

is that i do not want to take too much as i will not know what is effective and

if i start experiencing candida die off i may associate it with other things -

any advice regards elaine

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> TAKE HCL  this is to boost the stomach acid which is there to prevent

invasions of all things including yeast.  This will then stimulate other

digestive juices in the gut.

thank you for this information may i just clarify one point, I am taking sodium

bicarbonate and have started the candida diet i thought the sodium bicarbonate

was to give an alkaline balance and kill off the candida. it has been suggested

to take HCL to boost stomach acid. would this contra act what i am doing.

regards elaine