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generally, people with

>low temperatures will say that they feel tired all the time and may

>complain of general malaise.

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Thanks for the KeepHopeAlive website url... They are fount of

info...haven't been there in awhile.

At one time I had the thought of low-key researching the indigenous diets

of nothern climates...which would in general be diets producing more body

heat. What foods, spices are used? Not raw foods. In general not hot spices.

What do/did they eat on the Russian tundra...in Labrador...etc...Fats,

probably. Cooked food. Meat. Fermented foods. Would be interesting to

research specific spices and condiments used. It is possible these have

temp-raising effects that are not recognized.

Anyone know what alchohol does to core temp...? or different kinds of

alchohol...? and what alchoholic drinks are drunk in northern and southern

climes?

(Hot buttered and salted yak tea sounds like it would up the ante...)

A friend here with cancer was having low core temp...had been

macrobiotic...was being advised to eat meat...

Of course thyroid helps...and progesterone too...

I wonder if this is one way the sauna therapies work...

Hope there is more discussion of this...

~^^V^^~

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>From: Vilik Rapheles <vilik@...>

>

>At one time I had the thought of low-key researching the indigenous

diets

>of nothern climates...which would in general be diets producing more

body

>heat. What foods, spices are used? Not raw foods. In general not hot

spices.

>

Northernly diets tend to be very low on spices. Caraway, dill and poppy

seed spring to mind. Horseradish and mustard are popular.

>What do/did they eat on the Russian tundra...in Labrador...etc...Fats,

>probably. Cooked food. Meat. Fermented foods. Would be interesting to

>research specific spices and condiments used. It is possible these have

>temp-raising effects that are not recognized.

>

Well, at least in Europe, pickled foods are common. Animal fats, very

definitely: pork and goose fat. Fatty, smoked fish as well as lots of

permutations of herring, pickled and otherwise.

>Anyone know what alchohol does to core temp...? or different kinds of

>alchohol...? and what alchoholic drinks are drunk in northern and

southern

>climes?

>

I can tell you that when I was in Kazan (Russia) it was -48C (more or

less coinciding with -48F at that point), I kept running into drunks

lying passed out in the snow in parks and public squares. There was even

one occasion when I was on a streetcar and the woman driver announced,

" If there are no volunteers to remove the drunk lying across the rails,

we will not be able to proceed. " Drink of preference: vodka! But you

knew that! Home brews are common too, using potatoes or sugar beets.

>(Hot buttered and salted yak tea sounds like it would up the ante...)

>

>A friend here with cancer was having low core temp...had been

>macrobiotic...was being advised to eat meat...

>

>Of course thyroid helps...and progesterone too...

>

>I wonder if this is one way the sauna therapies work...

>

One of the therapies for cancer (and viral infections) is hyperthermia,

which raises core body temps. That's whole body hyperthermia. There's

another type where they just heat some of the blood and put it back.

Years ago, they actually gave the patient something to induce a fever.

Anyway, my doctor has sent some of his cancer patients to Germany for

this treatment and last time I talked to him, he mentioned that one of

them had shrunk her tumour by 50%. I suspect that sauna would be

beneficial in viral diseases for that reason.

>Hope there is more discussion of this...

>

I also find this a very interesting topic, as I do much of what is found

on the Keep Hope Alive website; but I'll be leaving for Portugal on

Sunday--trying to raise body temps by lying on the beach!

Regards,

Lana

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There is a discussion going on at Hypothyroidonelist about low body temp

and thyroid involvement.

Dennis Lipter

szozu wrote:

> From: " szozu " <szozu@...>

>

> >From: Vilik Rapheles <vilik@...>

> >

> >At one time I had the thought of low-key researching the indigenous

> diets

> >of nothern climates...which would in general be diets producing more

> body

> >heat. What foods, spices are used? Not raw foods. In general not hot

> spices.

> >

>

> Northernly diets tend to be very low on spices. Caraway, dill and poppy

> seed spring to mind. Horseradish and mustard are popular.

>

> >What do/did they eat on the Russian tundra...in Labrador...etc...Fats,

> >probably. Cooked food. Meat. Fermented foods. Would be interesting to

> >research specific spices and condiments used. It is possible these have

> >temp-raising effects that are not recognized.

> >

>

> Well, at least in Europe, pickled foods are common. Animal fats, very

> definitely: pork and goose fat. Fatty, smoked fish as well as lots of

> permutations of herring, pickled and otherwise.

>

> >Anyone know what alchohol does to core temp...? or different kinds of

> >alchohol...? and what alchoholic drinks are drunk in northern and

> southern

> >climes?

> >

>

> I can tell you that when I was in Kazan (Russia) it was -48C (more or

> less coinciding with -48F at that point), I kept running into drunks

> lying passed out in the snow in parks and public squares. There was even

> one occasion when I was on a streetcar and the woman driver announced,

> " If there are no volunteers to remove the drunk lying across the rails,

> we will not be able to proceed. " Drink of preference: vodka! But you

> knew that! Home brews are common too, using potatoes or sugar beets.

>

> >(Hot buttered and salted yak tea sounds like it would up the ante...)

> >

> >A friend here with cancer was having low core temp...had been

> >macrobiotic...was being advised to eat meat...

> >

> >Of course thyroid helps...and progesterone too...

> >

> >I wonder if this is one way the sauna therapies work...

> >

>

> One of the therapies for cancer (and viral infections) is hyperthermia,

> which raises core body temps. That's whole body hyperthermia. There's

> another type where they just heat some of the blood and put it back.

> Years ago, they actually gave the patient something to induce a fever.

> Anyway, my doctor has sent some of his cancer patients to Germany for

> this treatment and last time I talked to him, he mentioned that one of

> them had shrunk her tumour by 50%. I suspect that sauna would be

> beneficial in viral diseases for that reason.

>

> >Hope there is more discussion of this...

> >

> I also find this a very interesting topic, as I do much of what is found

> on the Keep Hope Alive website; but I'll be leaving for Portugal on

> Sunday--trying to raise body temps by lying on the beach!

>

> Regards,

> Lana

>

> ---------------------------

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Drink of preference: vodka!

~~~~~~~~~

Lana...

The Russians and...the Hunzas. I've told it before but I'll tell it

again. The infamous Hunzas, noted for their sterling health, drink vodka

like water.

Hmmm....

This does expand my horizons...

~^^V^^~

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Saul,

Thank you for the response on low body temp. I always appreciate your input

and feedback! BTW I take my basal temp in the AM before rising.

Do you think more ozone IV treatment is needed? I have already completed 10.

I am actually thinking about doing a few colonics w/ ozone.

Jacqui

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Mike,

If it wasnt for someone mentioning low body temp and 's syndrome,

I would have never have gotten help. I found a wonderful holistic doc

that treats the symptoms and doesnt worry about the

blood test results. All my tests were normal but I was dead tired and

had a very low body temp. He put me on Armour and that worked until I

caught a cold. If you have a conversion problem any

stress will stop the body from converting the T4 into T3. So my doc put

me on time released T3 alone and I increased the dose until my temp hit

a normal 97.8 basal. I am taking 55mcg 2x a day.

T3 controls your temp. As soon as your temp rises to normal you feel

better and all the other symptoms begin to dissappear. My memory is

returning, libido is great, skin not so dry, no longer

constipated, appetite decreasing, able to loose weight, depression

lifted....

If you get your temp to normal, basal under arm 10 minutes, before you

get out of bed, and you are still tired then you probably have adrenal

failure. Thyroid/adrenals work together. I am on 5mcg

of cortisone 3x a day. I am hoping that after 6 months I will beable to

wean off. It is giving my adrenals a break, while I am getting

healthy. I am taking DMSA to detox cadmium and lead. I am

eating better, removed stresses and do yoga. Toxins can shut down the

thyroid, cadmium is in cigarettes. I smoked for 20 years. Good health

takes time and effort!

Lori

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Nil,

Many PWCs also have low body temperature. This results from a lower

than normal metabolic rate. In a person without CFS, this usually

means that the thyroid gland is not putting out enough thyroxin

(hypothyroidism). Some PWCs also have hypothyroidism, but I think

that the main reason for the lower than normal metabolic rate in CFS

is that there are partial blockades in the intermediary metabolism,

often in the Krebs cycles. These partial blockades prevent PWCs from

burning their food as fuel rapidly enough to maintain the normal body

temperature.

Sometimes taking thyroid hormones helps PWCs with low body

temperature. I think it is important, though, to try to distinguish

if the problem is really hypothyroidism, or if partial blockades are

involved.

I think that the basic reason for the partial blockades in the largest

subset of PWCs is depletion of reduced glutathione, which allows the

buildup of peroxynitrite, which in turn produces the partial

blockades.

Nondenatured whey protein, together with a high-potency, general

nutritional supplement and flax oil or fish oil seems to me to be the

best approach to building glutathione. However, it is a good idea to

check for high mercury in the body before using this approach, because

high mercury can block the building of glutathione. If high mercury

is present, a careful mercury detoxification protocol under the

supervision of a doctor experienced in this is the best approach, in

my opinion.

Again, bear in mind that I am not licensed to diagnose or treat

disease, so please check with your doctor before trying anything I

suggest.

Rich

> I do remember that I always had low body temperature. I got sick in

1989 but I had low body temp. at least 10 years before that

time.Around 36.2 - 36.4. What could that mean? Did anyone noticed

something like that?

>

> Take care.

> Nil

>

>

>

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Thank you Rich for very valuable info and for the time you are giving us.

I really have been living with this for about 20 years and I wanted to know

the reason.It is interesting that you say that it is because of CFS. I

developed this at least 10 years before the appearent onset of the illness.

That is interesting. Isn't it. This may mean that there is a latent phase of

the sickness.At least for one of the sub groups which I am included.

I really do not wish to take any thyroid hormones as I do not think that

root problem is at thyroid gland.I think depletion of reduced glutathione

may be the problem as you said.

Sorry if I have missed that info but could you please tell me where in the

body glutathione is synthesized?

Thank you so much for all your help.

Nil

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|

| > I do remember that I always had low body temperature. I got sick in

| 1989 but I had low body temp. at least 10 years before that

| time.Around 36.2 - 36.4. What could that mean? Did anyone noticed

| something like that?

| >

| > Take care.

| > Nil

| >

| >

| >

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Rich,

I'm new here, so please forgive a question that you, and the rest

will probably think stupid. Whast does PWCs srand for?

Lui S.

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- In @y..., vankonynenburg1@l... wrote:

> Nil,

>

> Many PWCs also have low body temperature. This results from a

lower

> than normal metabolic rate. In a person without CFS, this usually

> means that the thyroid gland is not putting out enough thyroxin

> (hypothyroidism). Some PWCs also have hypothyroidism, but I think

> that the main reason for the lower than normal metabolic rate in

CFS

> is that there are partial blockades in the intermediary metabolism,

> often in the Krebs cycles. These partial blockades prevent PWCs

from

> burning their food as fuel rapidly enough to maintain the normal

body

> temperature.

>

> Sometimes taking thyroid hormones helps PWCs with low body

> temperature. I think it is important, though, to try to

distinguish

> if the problem is really hypothyroidism, or if partial blockades

are

> involved.

>

> I think that the basic reason for the partial blockades in the

largest

> subset of PWCs is depletion of reduced glutathione, which allows

the

> buildup of peroxynitrite, which in turn produces the partial

> blockades.

>

> Nondenatured whey protein, together with a high-potency, general

> nutritional supplement and flax oil or fish oil seems to me to be

the

> best approach to building glutathione. However, it is a good idea

to

> check for high mercury in the body before using this approach,

because

> high mercury can block the building of glutathione. If high

mercury

> is present, a careful mercury detoxification protocol under the

> supervision of a doctor experienced in this is the best approach,

in

> my opinion.

>

> Again, bear in mind that I am not licensed to diagnose or treat

> disease, so please check with your doctor before trying anything I

> suggest.

>

> Rich

>

>

> > I do remember that I always had low body temperature. I got sick

in

> 1989 but I had low body temp. at least 10 years before that

> time.Around 36.2 - 36.4. What could that mean? Did anyone noticed

> something like that?

> >

> > Take care.

> > Nil

> >

> >

> >

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Lui,

Welcome! Sorry for the acronym. PWCs stands for " persons with chronic

fatigue syndrome. " You can see why we abbreviate it!

Rich

>

> Rich,

>

> I'm new here, so please forgive a question that you, and the rest

> will probably think stupid. What does PWCs stand for?

>

> Lui S.

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PWC = People With CFS!

At 06:52 09/10/01, you wrote:

>I'm new here, so please forgive a question that you, and the rest

>will probably think stupid. Whast does PWCs srand for?

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I am sorry. I know I shouldn't be like this, but, Bob, you were fried.

PJ

> , Ever since becoming ill in '75, I had a body temp from high 96's to

low 97's. Last Ugust, I bought a device for depression named Alpha-Stim. A

wire clips on to each ear lobe and sends current from 9-volt battery through

the head(brain). After an hour a day for eight days, my depression lifted. A

strange thing happened also, it put my body temp back to 98.6 degrees?

>

> Bob

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Hi

if you use a digital thermometer, leave it in your mouth 3 minutes before

turning it on, for a more accurate reading. Could you be breathing through

mouth and cooling the oral cavity before taking it? If its underarm that wont be

the case though.

Carole

>

> Hi - anyone know why my early morning temps range from 33.5 and the highest

temp achieved this week was 36.5????

>

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Hi ine, a low basal temp is an indication of low thyroid, and a low basal

temp which is changing by so much i would think points to adrenals aswell.

Are you on any adrenal/thyroid medication ?

If you are able to there are some more ways of tracking how things are going by

temperature. Take your temp 3 hours after awakening + 3 hours later + 3 hours

later, then work out an average of the 3 temps. Recording these averages for a

week and post the results, if there is much variation between the temps it can

point to adrneals, but if they are similar but low then that can point towards

thyroid, and if they are low and alot of variation then thyroid and adrenals.

Steve

>

> Hi - anyone know why my early morning temps range from 33.5 and the highest

temp achieved this week was 36.5????

>

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Hi ine:

You may want to read through this list. Basal temps are usually low if you are

hypothyroid. ARe you on thyroid meds at the moment? Can you tell us what meds

and what amount you're on? Do you have any recent thyroid tests with reference

ranges we can see? ARe you taking any supplements at the moment?

Look through this hypothyroidism list and write down any symptoms you may be

having.....

http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk/symptoms_hypot.php

Cheers,

JOT

Here are some links to the reasons why you need to have these levels of certain

vitamins and minerals checked and their connection to your thyroid and metabolic

status.

· Low iron/ferritin: http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081504.htm

andhttp://www.ithyroid.com/iron.htm . I also used the following article in our

last TPA Newsletterhttp://www.femail.com.au/iron-levels-tony-pearce.htm

· Low vitamin B12: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18655403

· Low vitamin D3:

· http://www.eje-online.org/cgi/content/abstract/113/3/329

andhttp://www.goodhormonehealth.com/VitaminD.pdf

· Low magnesium:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC292768/pdf/jcinvest00264-0105.pdf

· Low folate:

· http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/full/47/9/1738

andhttp://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/thy.1999.9.1163

· Low copper/zinc:

http://www.istanbul.edu.tr/ffdbiyo/current4/07%20Iham%20AM%C4%B0R.pdf

andhttp://articles.webraydian.com/article1648-Role_of_Zinc_and_Copper_in_Effecti\

ve_Thyroid_Function.html

> Hi - anyone know why my early morning temps range from 33.5 and the highest

temp achieved this week was 36.5????

>

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