Guest guest Posted September 3, 1999 Report Share Posted September 3, 1999 generally, people with >low temperatures will say that they feel tired all the time and may >complain of general malaise. ~~~~~~~~~ Thanks for the KeepHopeAlive website url... They are fount of info...haven't been there in awhile. At one time I had the thought of low-key researching the indigenous diets of nothern climates...which would in general be diets producing more body heat. What foods, spices are used? Not raw foods. In general not hot spices. What do/did they eat on the Russian tundra...in Labrador...etc...Fats, probably. Cooked food. Meat. Fermented foods. Would be interesting to research specific spices and condiments used. It is possible these have temp-raising effects that are not recognized. Anyone know what alchohol does to core temp...? or different kinds of alchohol...? and what alchoholic drinks are drunk in northern and southern climes? (Hot buttered and salted yak tea sounds like it would up the ante...) A friend here with cancer was having low core temp...had been macrobiotic...was being advised to eat meat... Of course thyroid helps...and progesterone too... I wonder if this is one way the sauna therapies work... Hope there is more discussion of this... ~^^V^^~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 1999 Report Share Posted September 3, 1999 >From: Vilik Rapheles <vilik@...> > >At one time I had the thought of low-key researching the indigenous diets >of nothern climates...which would in general be diets producing more body >heat. What foods, spices are used? Not raw foods. In general not hot spices. > Northernly diets tend to be very low on spices. Caraway, dill and poppy seed spring to mind. Horseradish and mustard are popular. >What do/did they eat on the Russian tundra...in Labrador...etc...Fats, >probably. Cooked food. Meat. Fermented foods. Would be interesting to >research specific spices and condiments used. It is possible these have >temp-raising effects that are not recognized. > Well, at least in Europe, pickled foods are common. Animal fats, very definitely: pork and goose fat. Fatty, smoked fish as well as lots of permutations of herring, pickled and otherwise. >Anyone know what alchohol does to core temp...? or different kinds of >alchohol...? and what alchoholic drinks are drunk in northern and southern >climes? > I can tell you that when I was in Kazan (Russia) it was -48C (more or less coinciding with -48F at that point), I kept running into drunks lying passed out in the snow in parks and public squares. There was even one occasion when I was on a streetcar and the woman driver announced, " If there are no volunteers to remove the drunk lying across the rails, we will not be able to proceed. " Drink of preference: vodka! But you knew that! Home brews are common too, using potatoes or sugar beets. >(Hot buttered and salted yak tea sounds like it would up the ante...) > >A friend here with cancer was having low core temp...had been >macrobiotic...was being advised to eat meat... > >Of course thyroid helps...and progesterone too... > >I wonder if this is one way the sauna therapies work... > One of the therapies for cancer (and viral infections) is hyperthermia, which raises core body temps. That's whole body hyperthermia. There's another type where they just heat some of the blood and put it back. Years ago, they actually gave the patient something to induce a fever. Anyway, my doctor has sent some of his cancer patients to Germany for this treatment and last time I talked to him, he mentioned that one of them had shrunk her tumour by 50%. I suspect that sauna would be beneficial in viral diseases for that reason. >Hope there is more discussion of this... > I also find this a very interesting topic, as I do much of what is found on the Keep Hope Alive website; but I'll be leaving for Portugal on Sunday--trying to raise body temps by lying on the beach! Regards, Lana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 1999 Report Share Posted September 3, 1999 There is a discussion going on at Hypothyroidonelist about low body temp and thyroid involvement. Dennis Lipter szozu wrote: > From: " szozu " <szozu@...> > > >From: Vilik Rapheles <vilik@...> > > > >At one time I had the thought of low-key researching the indigenous > diets > >of nothern climates...which would in general be diets producing more > body > >heat. What foods, spices are used? Not raw foods. In general not hot > spices. > > > > Northernly diets tend to be very low on spices. Caraway, dill and poppy > seed spring to mind. Horseradish and mustard are popular. > > >What do/did they eat on the Russian tundra...in Labrador...etc...Fats, > >probably. Cooked food. Meat. Fermented foods. Would be interesting to > >research specific spices and condiments used. It is possible these have > >temp-raising effects that are not recognized. > > > > Well, at least in Europe, pickled foods are common. Animal fats, very > definitely: pork and goose fat. Fatty, smoked fish as well as lots of > permutations of herring, pickled and otherwise. > > >Anyone know what alchohol does to core temp...? or different kinds of > >alchohol...? and what alchoholic drinks are drunk in northern and > southern > >climes? > > > > I can tell you that when I was in Kazan (Russia) it was -48C (more or > less coinciding with -48F at that point), I kept running into drunks > lying passed out in the snow in parks and public squares. There was even > one occasion when I was on a streetcar and the woman driver announced, > " If there are no volunteers to remove the drunk lying across the rails, > we will not be able to proceed. " Drink of preference: vodka! But you > knew that! Home brews are common too, using potatoes or sugar beets. > > >(Hot buttered and salted yak tea sounds like it would up the ante...) > > > >A friend here with cancer was having low core temp...had been > >macrobiotic...was being advised to eat meat... > > > >Of course thyroid helps...and progesterone too... > > > >I wonder if this is one way the sauna therapies work... > > > > One of the therapies for cancer (and viral infections) is hyperthermia, > which raises core body temps. That's whole body hyperthermia. There's > another type where they just heat some of the blood and put it back. > Years ago, they actually gave the patient something to induce a fever. > Anyway, my doctor has sent some of his cancer patients to Germany for > this treatment and last time I talked to him, he mentioned that one of > them had shrunk her tumour by 50%. I suspect that sauna would be > beneficial in viral diseases for that reason. > > >Hope there is more discussion of this... > > > I also find this a very interesting topic, as I do much of what is found > on the Keep Hope Alive website; but I'll be leaving for Portugal on > Sunday--trying to raise body temps by lying on the beach! > > Regards, > Lana > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 1999 Report Share Posted September 3, 1999 Drink of preference: vodka! ~~~~~~~~~ Lana... The Russians and...the Hunzas. I've told it before but I'll tell it again. The infamous Hunzas, noted for their sterling health, drink vodka like water. Hmmm.... This does expand my horizons... ~^^V^^~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 1999 Report Share Posted September 4, 1999 Saul, Thank you for the response on low body temp. I always appreciate your input and feedback! BTW I take my basal temp in the AM before rising. Do you think more ozone IV treatment is needed? I have already completed 10. I am actually thinking about doing a few colonics w/ ozone. Jacqui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 1999 Report Share Posted November 24, 1999 Mike, If it wasnt for someone mentioning low body temp and 's syndrome, I would have never have gotten help. I found a wonderful holistic doc that treats the symptoms and doesnt worry about the blood test results. All my tests were normal but I was dead tired and had a very low body temp. He put me on Armour and that worked until I caught a cold. If you have a conversion problem any stress will stop the body from converting the T4 into T3. So my doc put me on time released T3 alone and I increased the dose until my temp hit a normal 97.8 basal. I am taking 55mcg 2x a day. T3 controls your temp. As soon as your temp rises to normal you feel better and all the other symptoms begin to dissappear. My memory is returning, libido is great, skin not so dry, no longer constipated, appetite decreasing, able to loose weight, depression lifted.... If you get your temp to normal, basal under arm 10 minutes, before you get out of bed, and you are still tired then you probably have adrenal failure. Thyroid/adrenals work together. I am on 5mcg of cortisone 3x a day. I am hoping that after 6 months I will beable to wean off. It is giving my adrenals a break, while I am getting healthy. I am taking DMSA to detox cadmium and lead. I am eating better, removed stresses and do yoga. Toxins can shut down the thyroid, cadmium is in cigarettes. I smoked for 20 years. Good health takes time and effort! Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Nil, Many PWCs also have low body temperature. This results from a lower than normal metabolic rate. In a person without CFS, this usually means that the thyroid gland is not putting out enough thyroxin (hypothyroidism). Some PWCs also have hypothyroidism, but I think that the main reason for the lower than normal metabolic rate in CFS is that there are partial blockades in the intermediary metabolism, often in the Krebs cycles. These partial blockades prevent PWCs from burning their food as fuel rapidly enough to maintain the normal body temperature. Sometimes taking thyroid hormones helps PWCs with low body temperature. I think it is important, though, to try to distinguish if the problem is really hypothyroidism, or if partial blockades are involved. I think that the basic reason for the partial blockades in the largest subset of PWCs is depletion of reduced glutathione, which allows the buildup of peroxynitrite, which in turn produces the partial blockades. Nondenatured whey protein, together with a high-potency, general nutritional supplement and flax oil or fish oil seems to me to be the best approach to building glutathione. However, it is a good idea to check for high mercury in the body before using this approach, because high mercury can block the building of glutathione. If high mercury is present, a careful mercury detoxification protocol under the supervision of a doctor experienced in this is the best approach, in my opinion. Again, bear in mind that I am not licensed to diagnose or treat disease, so please check with your doctor before trying anything I suggest. Rich > I do remember that I always had low body temperature. I got sick in 1989 but I had low body temp. at least 10 years before that time.Around 36.2 - 36.4. What could that mean? Did anyone noticed something like that? > > Take care. > Nil > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Thank you Rich for very valuable info and for the time you are giving us. I really have been living with this for about 20 years and I wanted to know the reason.It is interesting that you say that it is because of CFS. I developed this at least 10 years before the appearent onset of the illness. That is interesting. Isn't it. This may mean that there is a latent phase of the sickness.At least for one of the sub groups which I am included. I really do not wish to take any thyroid hormones as I do not think that root problem is at thyroid gland.I think depletion of reduced glutathione may be the problem as you said. Sorry if I have missed that info but could you please tell me where in the body glutathione is synthesized? Thank you so much for all your help. Nil | | | > I do remember that I always had low body temperature. I got sick in | 1989 but I had low body temp. at least 10 years before that | time.Around 36.2 - 36.4. What could that mean? Did anyone noticed | something like that? | > | > Take care. | > Nil | > | > | > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 Rich, I'm new here, so please forgive a question that you, and the rest will probably think stupid. Whast does PWCs srand for? Lui S. -- - In @y..., vankonynenburg1@l... wrote: > Nil, > > Many PWCs also have low body temperature. This results from a lower > than normal metabolic rate. In a person without CFS, this usually > means that the thyroid gland is not putting out enough thyroxin > (hypothyroidism). Some PWCs also have hypothyroidism, but I think > that the main reason for the lower than normal metabolic rate in CFS > is that there are partial blockades in the intermediary metabolism, > often in the Krebs cycles. These partial blockades prevent PWCs from > burning their food as fuel rapidly enough to maintain the normal body > temperature. > > Sometimes taking thyroid hormones helps PWCs with low body > temperature. I think it is important, though, to try to distinguish > if the problem is really hypothyroidism, or if partial blockades are > involved. > > I think that the basic reason for the partial blockades in the largest > subset of PWCs is depletion of reduced glutathione, which allows the > buildup of peroxynitrite, which in turn produces the partial > blockades. > > Nondenatured whey protein, together with a high-potency, general > nutritional supplement and flax oil or fish oil seems to me to be the > best approach to building glutathione. However, it is a good idea to > check for high mercury in the body before using this approach, because > high mercury can block the building of glutathione. If high mercury > is present, a careful mercury detoxification protocol under the > supervision of a doctor experienced in this is the best approach, in > my opinion. > > Again, bear in mind that I am not licensed to diagnose or treat > disease, so please check with your doctor before trying anything I > suggest. > > Rich > > > > I do remember that I always had low body temperature. I got sick in > 1989 but I had low body temp. at least 10 years before that > time.Around 36.2 - 36.4. What could that mean? Did anyone noticed > something like that? > > > > Take care. > > Nil > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2001 Report Share Posted October 9, 2001 Lui, Welcome! Sorry for the acronym. PWCs stands for " persons with chronic fatigue syndrome. " You can see why we abbreviate it! Rich > > Rich, > > I'm new here, so please forgive a question that you, and the rest > will probably think stupid. What does PWCs stand for? > > Lui S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2001 Report Share Posted October 9, 2001 PWC = People With CFS! At 06:52 09/10/01, you wrote: >I'm new here, so please forgive a question that you, and the rest >will probably think stupid. Whast does PWCs srand for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2003 Report Share Posted January 13, 2003 I am sorry. I know I shouldn't be like this, but, Bob, you were fried. PJ > , Ever since becoming ill in '75, I had a body temp from high 96's to low 97's. Last Ugust, I bought a device for depression named Alpha-Stim. A wire clips on to each ear lobe and sends current from 9-volt battery through the head(brain). After an hour a day for eight days, my depression lifted. A strange thing happened also, it put my body temp back to 98.6 degrees? > > Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Hi - anyone know why my early morning temps range from 33.5 and the highest temp achieved this week was 36.5???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Hi if you use a digital thermometer, leave it in your mouth 3 minutes before turning it on, for a more accurate reading. Could you be breathing through mouth and cooling the oral cavity before taking it? If its underarm that wont be the case though. Carole > > Hi - anyone know why my early morning temps range from 33.5 and the highest temp achieved this week was 36.5???? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Hi ine, a low basal temp is an indication of low thyroid, and a low basal temp which is changing by so much i would think points to adrenals aswell. Are you on any adrenal/thyroid medication ? If you are able to there are some more ways of tracking how things are going by temperature. Take your temp 3 hours after awakening + 3 hours later + 3 hours later, then work out an average of the 3 temps. Recording these averages for a week and post the results, if there is much variation between the temps it can point to adrneals, but if they are similar but low then that can point towards thyroid, and if they are low and alot of variation then thyroid and adrenals. Steve > > Hi - anyone know why my early morning temps range from 33.5 and the highest temp achieved this week was 36.5???? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Hi ine: You may want to read through this list. Basal temps are usually low if you are hypothyroid. ARe you on thyroid meds at the moment? Can you tell us what meds and what amount you're on? Do you have any recent thyroid tests with reference ranges we can see? ARe you taking any supplements at the moment? Look through this hypothyroidism list and write down any symptoms you may be having..... http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk/symptoms_hypot.php Cheers, JOT Here are some links to the reasons why you need to have these levels of certain vitamins and minerals checked and their connection to your thyroid and metabolic status. · Low iron/ferritin: http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081504.htm andhttp://www.ithyroid.com/iron.htm . I also used the following article in our last TPA Newsletterhttp://www.femail.com.au/iron-levels-tony-pearce.htm · Low vitamin B12: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18655403 · Low vitamin D3: · http://www.eje-online.org/cgi/content/abstract/113/3/329 andhttp://www.goodhormonehealth.com/VitaminD.pdf · Low magnesium: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC292768/pdf/jcinvest00264-0105.pdf · Low folate: · http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/full/47/9/1738 andhttp://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/thy.1999.9.1163 · Low copper/zinc: http://www.istanbul.edu.tr/ffdbiyo/current4/07%20Iham%20AM%C4%B0R.pdf andhttp://articles.webraydian.com/article1648-Role_of_Zinc_and_Copper_in_Effecti\ ve_Thyroid_Function.html > Hi - anyone know why my early morning temps range from 33.5 and the highest temp achieved this week was 36.5???? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Thanks Jot.....xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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