Re: Enlarged goitre - advice please

May 31, 2011

My first thought is that you are not taking NEARLY enough iodine if you have had cancer. And if your goiter has not shrunk at all, that is another indication that you are not taking nearly enough iodine. (Unfortunately, goiter is sometimes at least partly scar tissue, which will not go away. You might not get as much shrinkage as you would like, even if you take enough iodine.) I would definitely work my way up much higher before I even went back to the doctor again. (Cancer patients often take 200-300 mg/day.)My second thought is that biopsies tend to SPREAD cancer. I "knew" a guy on another list who had a lesion in his neck that the doc wanted to biopsy. He told the doc that biopsies spread cancer, & the doc replied that that was an old wive's tale. So he had the biopsy, & subsequent scans showed the cancer growing out through the 2 needlemarks. Biopsies are not always benign procedures. The body tries to encapsulate cancer, & the needle breaches the capsule.My third thought is that docs are cavalier about destroying their thyroid, because they can prescribe you thyroid replacement. And most make you sign a release to remove the whole thing before they even get inside. But most folks I have heard from insist that they never feel as well on thyroid meds. Unless you are getting to the point where you really HAVE to do something urgently, I would be inclined to take more time. (As always, you have to do what makes you feel safest. A lot depends on where you are in the journey from blindly trusting docs to trusting yourself & weirdos like us.)AnneOn May 31, 2011, at 9:08 AM, wrote:

Is there anyone out there experienced in managing goitre?

I am about to have an ultrasound on my neck due to recent symptoms of neck congestion, difficulty in swallowing - in all likelihood it is an enlargement of a multi nodular goitre. I have been taking 50 mg and companion nutrients daily for last 18 months (as an early bc survivor) and six months ago it didn't show any reduction or increase. How do I know if I should up the dose or drop the dose, and by how much? Are there any other changes I can make to stop goitre activity in its tracks?

At 49, I am going through menopause, and recently there's been an increase in frequency of menstruation and recent family stress. Would my iodine requirement be higher because of these things?

If this is a goitre, the docs will want to fine needle aspirate. Can anyone tell me what the likely treatment plan would be from then on from the traditional point of view and any alternative health suggestions that could prepare me for when I return to discuss with docs.

Many thanks for any help you can send my way!

We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we create our world." —Buddha

May 31, 2011

Good advice, Anne. 50mg is not a therapeutic dose for cancer or even

goiter if the goiter doesn't respond (although if it is scar tissue it

can't recede very well). Cancer pts are taking 100mg and more a day, up to

300mg/day.

I agree that it is early days and that really getting the iodine dosing up

high would be a preferable next move. It is absolutely true that risk of

cancer at " negative " biopsy sites is heartbreakingly high.

--

At 01:37 PM 5/31/2011, you wrote:

>My first thought is that you are not taking NEARLY enough iodine if you

>have had cancer. And if your goiter has not shrunk at all, that is another

>indication that you are not taking nearly enough iodine. (Unfortunately,

>goiter is sometimes at least partly scar tissue, which will not go away.

>You might not get as much shrinkage as you would like, even if you take

>enough iodine.) I would definitely work my way up much higher before I

>even went back to the doctor again. (Cancer patients often take 200-300

>mg/day.)

>

>My second thought is that biopsies tend to SPREAD cancer. I " knew " a guy

>on another list who had a lesion in his neck that the doc wanted to

>biopsy. He told the doc that biopsies spread cancer, & the doc replied

>that that was an old wive's tale. So he had the biopsy, & subsequent scans

>showed the cancer growing out through the 2 needlemarks. Biopsies are not

>always benign procedures. The body tries to encapsulate cancer, & the

>needle breaches the capsule.

>

>My third thought is that docs are cavalier about destroying their thyroid,

>because they can prescribe you thyroid replacement. And most make you sign

>a release to remove the whole thing before they even get inside. But most

>folks I have heard from insist that they never feel as well on thyroid meds.

>

>Unless you are getting to the point where you really HAVE to do something

>urgently, I would be inclined to take more time. (As always, you have to

>do what makes you feel safest. A lot depends on where you are in the

>journey from blindly trusting docs to trusting yourself & weirdos like us.)

>

>Anne

>

>On May 31, 2011, at 9:08 AM, wrote:

>

>>

>>Is there anyone out there experienced in managing goitre?

>>

>>I am about to have an ultrasound on my neck due to recent symptoms of

>>neck congestion, difficulty in swallowing - in all likelihood it is an

>>enlargement of a multi nodular goitre. I have been taking 50 mg and

>>companion nutrients daily for last 18 months (as an early bc survivor)

>>and six months ago it didn't show any reduction or increase. How do I

>>know if I should up the dose or drop the dose, and by how much? Are there

>>any other changes I can make to stop goitre activity in its tracks?

>>

>>At 49, I am going through menopause, and recently there's been an

>>increase in frequency of menstruation and recent family stress. Would my

>>iodine requirement be higher because of these things?

>>

>>If this is a goitre, the docs will want to fine needle aspirate. Can

>>anyone tell me what the likely treatment plan would be from then on from

>>the traditional point of view and any alternative health suggestions that

>>could prepare me for when I return to discuss with docs.

>>

>>Many thanks for any help you can send my way!

>>

>>We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our

>>thoughts, we create our world. " —Buddha

>

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

June 1, 2011

Do you think thermography of the thyroid would be a better way to determine if there are cancer cells there? I have an enlarged thyroid, nodules and cysts, along with pain and trouble swollowing. I have been working my way up with Lugol's solution since March and have a long ways to go yet. (No medical care so no numbers to post)

~Diane in NW MT~

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:31 PM, B <vbaker@...> wrote:

Good advice, Anne. 50mg is not a therapeutic dose for cancer or evengoiter if the goiter doesn't respond (although if it is scar tissue it

can't recede very well). Cancer pts are taking 100mg and more a day, up to300mg/day.I agree that it is early days and that really getting the iodine dosing uphigh would be a preferable next move. It is absolutely true that risk of

cancer at " negative " biopsy sites is heartbreakingly high.--

At 01:37 PM 5/31/2011, you wrote:>My first thought is that you are not taking NEARLY enough iodine if you>have had cancer. And if your goiter has not shrunk at all, that is another

>indication that you are not taking nearly enough iodine. (Unfortunately,>goiter is sometimes at least partly scar tissue, which will not go away.>You might not get as much shrinkage as you would like, even if you take

>enough iodine.) I would definitely work my way up much higher before I>even went back to the doctor again. (Cancer patients often take 200-300>mg/day.)>>My second thought is that biopsies tend to SPREAD cancer. I " knew " a guy

>on another list who had a lesion in his neck that the doc wanted to>biopsy. He told the doc that biopsies spread cancer, & the doc replied>that that was an old wive's tale. So he had the biopsy, & subsequent scans

>showed the cancer growing out through the 2 needlemarks. Biopsies are not>always benign procedures. The body tries to encapsulate cancer, & the>needle breaches the capsule.>>My third thought is that docs are cavalier about destroying their thyroid,

>because they can prescribe you thyroid replacement. And most make you sign>a release to remove the whole thing before they even get inside. But most>folks I have heard from insist that they never feel as well on thyroid meds.

>>Unless you are getting to the point where you really HAVE to do something>urgently, I would be inclined to take more time. (As always, you have to>do what makes you feel safest. A lot depends on where you are in the

>journey from blindly trusting docs to trusting yourself & weirdos like us.)>>Anne>>>On May 31, 2011, at 9:08 AM, wrote:>>>>>>>Is there anyone out there experienced in managing goitre?

>>>>I am about to have an ultrasound on my neck due to recent symptoms of>>neck congestion, difficulty in swallowing - in all likelihood it is an>>enlargement of a multi nodular goitre. I have been taking 50 mg and

>>companion nutrients daily for last 18 months (as an early bc survivor)>>and six months ago it didn't show any reduction or increase. How do I>>know if I should up the dose or drop the dose, and by how much? Are there

>>any other changes I can make to stop goitre activity in its tracks?>>>>At 49, I am going through menopause, and recently there's been an>>increase in frequency of menstruation and recent family stress. Would my

>>iodine requirement be higher because of these things?>>>>If this is a goitre, the docs will want to fine needle aspirate. Can>>anyone tell me what the likely treatment plan would be from then on from

>>the traditional point of view and any alternative health suggestions that>>could prepare me for when I return to discuss with docs.>>>>Many thanks for any help you can send my way!

>>>>>>>>We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our>>thoughts, we create our world. " —Buddha>>>>

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June 1, 2011

Just my opinion; There are 1500 deaths per year from Thyroid Cancer, in a

country with 350 million people.(US) You can google it to verify, but thats

pretty close.So, you have a better chance of winning several big jackpot

lotteries at the same time, as of having Thyroid Cancer.

Do to the need to practice defensive medicine, and everyones associating 'LUMP',

'growth' etc with Cancer, there are a lot of unnecesary thyroidectomies being

done.To make it worse, there is no GOOD test for detirmining whether or not a

thyroid is cancerous; best way to tell is to take it out, and THEN look for

cancer cells. A lot of 'inconclusive' results coming back from such

examinations, which is the labs way of saying. " Actually, we couldn't find any

evidence of Cancer, but we're not going to word it that way. "

" Goiters " , at 1 time, was the name for hypothyroidism.It is very common for the

thyroid to swell, as a result of chronic, untreated Hypo.

As stated, I would increase your iodine intake, make sure you are taking the

'companion' nutrients and UNREFINED salt.Forget about thermography's, needle

biopsies, or other tests looking for something which isn't there.I have talked

to several people who had their thyroid removed, only to find out afterwords

that it was an unecesary surgery.All regret it, and state that their 'symptoms'

of Hypo are worse, since the surgery.So, thats what I would do, if I were in

your shoes.Jim

> > >

> > >>

> > >>Is there anyone out there experienced in managing goitre?

> > >>

> > >>I am about to have an ultrasound on my neck due to recent symptoms of

> > >>neck congestion, difficulty in swallowing - in all likelihood it is an

> > >>enlargement of a multi nodular goitre. I have been taking 50 mg and

> > >>companion nutrients daily for last 18 months (as an early bc survivor)

> > >>and six months ago it didn't show any reduction or increase. How do I

> > >>know if I should up the dose or drop the dose, and by how much? Are there

> > >>any other changes I can make to stop goitre activity in its tracks?

> > >>

> > >>At 49, I am going through menopause, and recently there's been an

> > >>increase in frequency of menstruation and recent family stress. Would my

> > >>iodine requirement be higher because of these things?

> > >>

> > >>If this is a goitre, the docs will want to fine needle aspirate. Can

> > >>anyone tell me what the likely treatment plan would be from then on from

> > >>the traditional point of view and any alternative health suggestions that

> > >>could prepare me for when I return to discuss with docs.

> > >>

> > >>Many thanks for any help you can send my way!

> > >>

> > >>We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our

> > >>thoughts, we create our world. " —Buddha

> > >

> >

> > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > --A.J. Muste

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

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June 1, 2011

A castor oil pack would be a " can't hurt, might help " thing to try to help

relive pain and congestion. Some might even advise topical application of

Lugol's on the area, or adding a bit of Lugol's to the castor oil.

A note here that in addition to goiter causing difficulty swallowing an often

overlooked area are the salivary glands. There are many large and small glands

that can also become swollen and salivary ducts blocked, which can create pain

and swallowing difficulties. When the the submandibular salivary ducts are

swollen a layperson could easily mistake them for swollen lymph nodes as the

proximity is very close. Not saying this is the case for you, just providing

some additional detail and a thought that perhaps more than just the thyroid is

swollen or aggravated. These other glands would be higher up on the neck.

>

> Is there anyone out there experienced in managing goitre?

>

> I am about to have an ultrasound on my neck due to recent symptoms of neck

congestion, difficulty in swallowing - in all likelihood it is an enlargement of

a multi nodular goitre. I have been taking 50 mg and companion nutrients daily

for last 18 months (as an early bc survivor) and six months ago it didn't show

any reduction or increase. How do I know if I should up the dose or drop the

dose, and by how much? Are there any other changes I can make to stop goitre

activity in its tracks?

>

> At 49, I am going through menopause, and recently there's been an increase in

frequency of menstruation and recent family stress. Would my iodine requirement

be higher because of these things?

>

> If this is a goitre, the docs will want to fine needle aspirate. Can anyone

tell me what the likely treatment plan would be from then on from the

traditional point of view and any alternative health suggestions that could

prepare me for when I return to discuss with docs.

>

> Many thanks for any help you can send my way!

>

> We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our

thoughts, we create our world. " —Buddha

>

June 1, 2011

Absolutely it is. Thermography catches problems 10 years before other

imaging methods. It also is more accurate because it reads the heat

generated by malignant growths vs. benign ones.

--

At 09:33 AM 6/1/2011, you wrote:

>Do you think thermography of the thyroid would be a better way to

>determine if there are cancer cells there? I have an enlarged thyroid,

>nodules and cysts, along with pain and trouble swollowing. I have been

>working my way up with Lugol's solution since March and have a long ways

>to go yet. (No medical care so no numbers to post)

>

>~Diane in NW MT~

>

>On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:31 PM, B

><<mailto:vbaker@...>vbaker@...> wrote:

>Good advice, Anne. 50mg is not a therapeutic dose for cancer or even

>goiter if the goiter doesn't respond (although if it is scar tissue it

>can't recede very well). Cancer pts are taking 100mg and more a day, up to

>300mg/day.

>

>I agree that it is early days and that really getting the iodine dosing up

>high would be a preferable next move. It is absolutely true that risk of

>cancer at " negative " biopsy sites is heartbreakingly high.

>

>--

>

>At 01:37 PM 5/31/2011, you wrote:

>

> >My first thought is that you are not taking NEARLY enough iodine if you

> >have had cancer. And if your goiter has not shrunk at all, that is another

> >indication that you are not taking nearly enough iodine. (Unfortunately,

> >goiter is sometimes at least partly scar tissue, which will not go away.

> >You might not get as much shrinkage as you would like, even if you take

> >enough iodine.) I would definitely work my way up much higher before I

> >even went back to the doctor again. (Cancer patients often take 200-300

> >mg/day.)

> >

> >My second thought is that biopsies tend to SPREAD cancer. I " knew " a guy

> >on another list who had a lesion in his neck that the doc wanted to

> >biopsy. He told the doc that biopsies spread cancer, & the doc replied

> >that that was an old wive's tale. So he had the biopsy, & subsequent scans

> >showed the cancer growing out through the 2 needlemarks. Biopsies are not

> >always benign procedures. The body tries to encapsulate cancer, & the

> >needle breaches the capsule.

> >

> >My third thought is that docs are cavalier about destroying their thyroid,

> >because they can prescribe you thyroid replacement. And most make you sign

> >a release to remove the whole thing before they even get inside. But most

> >folks I have heard from insist that they never feel as well on thyroid meds.

> >

> >Unless you are getting to the point where you really HAVE to do something

> >urgently, I would be inclined to take more time. (As always, you have to

> >do what makes you feel safest. A lot depends on where you are in the

> >journey from blindly trusting docs to trusting yourself & weirdos like us.)

> >

> >Anne

> >

> >On May 31, 2011, at 9:08 AM, wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>Is there anyone out there experienced in managing goitre?

> >>

> >>I am about to have an ultrasound on my neck due to recent symptoms of

> >>neck congestion, difficulty in swallowing - in all likelihood it is an

> >>enlargement of a multi nodular goitre. I have been taking 50 mg and

> >>companion nutrients daily for last 18 months (as an early bc survivor)

> >>and six months ago it didn't show any reduction or increase. How do I

> >>know if I should up the dose or drop the dose, and by how much? Are there

> >>any other changes I can make to stop goitre activity in its tracks?

> >>

> >>At 49, I am going through menopause, and recently there's been an

> >>increase in frequency of menstruation and recent family stress. Would my

> >>iodine requirement be higher because of these things?

> >>

> >>If this is a goitre, the docs will want to fine needle aspirate. Can

> >>anyone tell me what the likely treatment plan would be from then on from

> >>the traditional point of view and any alternative health suggestions that

> >>could prepare me for when I return to discuss with docs.

> >>

> >>Many thanks for any help you can send my way!

> >>

> >>We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our

> >>thoughts, we create our world. " —Buddha

> >

>

>~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

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June 1, 2011

This is where I'm at with it, but many people are not able to disconnect

from their doctor's influence on this subject. It's good to direct people

to good information and less harmful options, where possible. But what you

say is true, Jim, and I too would make this choice. Actually, by taking

the iodine protocol I am preventing any of this from happening.

--

At 10:14 AM 6/1/2011, you wrote:

>Just my opinion; There are 1500 deaths per year from Thyroid Cancer, in a

>country with 350 million people.(US) You can google it to verify, but

>thats pretty close.So, you have a better chance of winning several big

>jackpot lotteries at the same time, as of having Thyroid Cancer.

>Do to the need to practice defensive medicine, and everyones associating

>'LUMP', 'growth' etc with Cancer, there are a lot of unnecesary

>thyroidectomies being done.To make it worse, there is no GOOD test for

>detirmining whether or not a thyroid is cancerous; best way to tell is to

>take it out, and THEN look for cancer cells. A lot of 'inconclusive'

>results coming back from such examinations, which is the labs way of

>saying. " Actually, we couldn't find any evidence of Cancer, but we're not

>going to word it that way. "

> " Goiters " , at 1 time, was the name for hypothyroidism.It is very common

>for the thyroid to swell, as a result of chronic, untreated Hypo.

>As stated, I would increase your iodine intake, make sure you are taking

>the 'companion' nutrients and UNREFINED salt.Forget about thermography's,

>needle biopsies, or other tests looking for something which isn't there.I

>have talked to several people who had their thyroid removed, only to find

>out afterwords that it was an unecesary surgery.All regret it, and state

>that their 'symptoms' of Hypo are worse, since the surgery.So, thats what

>I would do, if I were in your shoes.Jim

>

> >

> > Do you think thermography of the thyroid would be a better way to determine

> > if there are cancer cells there? I have an enlarged thyroid, nodules and

> > cysts, along with pain and trouble swollowing. I have been working my

> way up

> > with Lugol's solution since March and have a long ways to go yet. (No

> > medical care so no numbers to post)

> >

> > ~Diane in NW MT~

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

June 1, 2011

These are my thoughts also. I can either have the thermography done OR get the iodine protocol promoted here. Not both. Unless I do without the protocol for a couple of months. I decided to stick with the iodine and as much of the supplements as I can get.

I've been able to accomplish getting some of my energy and strength back, but the swelling in my neck is still a problem, ie The glands that are right under the jaw bone and the thyroid and the nodules on it.

~Diane in NW MT~

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, B <vbaker@...> wrote:

This is where I'm at with it, but many people are not able to disconnectfrom their doctor's influence on this subject. It's good to direct people

to good information and less harmful options, where possible. But what yousay is true, Jim, and I too would make this choice. Actually, by takingthe iodine protocol I am preventing any of this from happening.

--

At 10:14 AM 6/1/2011, you wrote:>Just my opinion; There are 1500 deaths per year from Thyroid Cancer, in a>country with 350 million people.(US) You can google it to verify, but>thats pretty close.So, you have a better chance of winning several big

>jackpot lotteries at the same time, as of having Thyroid Cancer.>Do to the need to practice defensive medicine, and everyones associating>'LUMP', 'growth' etc with Cancer, there are a lot of unnecesary

>thyroidectomies being done.To make it worse, there is no GOOD test for>detirmining whether or not a thyroid is cancerous; best way to tell is to>take it out, and THEN look for cancer cells. A lot of 'inconclusive'

>results coming back from such examinations, which is the labs way of>saying. " Actually, we couldn't find any evidence of Cancer, but we're not>going to word it that way. " > " Goiters " , at 1 time, was the name for hypothyroidism.It is very common

>for the thyroid to swell, as a result of chronic, untreated Hypo.>As stated, I would increase your iodine intake, make sure you are taking>the 'companion' nutrients and UNREFINED salt.Forget about thermography's,

>needle biopsies, or other tests looking for something which isn't there.I>have talked to several people who had their thyroid removed, only to find>out afterwords that it was an unecesary surgery.All regret it, and state

>that their 'symptoms' of Hypo are worse, since the surgery.So, thats what>I would do, if I were in your shoes.Jim>>

> >> > Do you think thermography of the thyroid would be a better way to determine> > if there are cancer cells there? I have an enlarged thyroid, nodules and> > cysts, along with pain and trouble swollowing. I have been working my

> way up> > with Lugol's solution since March and have a long ways to go yet. (No> > medical care so no numbers to post)> >> > ~Diane in NW MT~

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June 1, 2011

Thank you, Jim. Appreciate your thoughts here. I think this is the right direction for right now. Maybe one day when we're financially able, I'll consider thermography. But for now, no doctors, no testing, no FNA, nothing but what I can do at home. It might be nice to have a way of monitoring thyroid and adrenal numbers but for now, just iodine protocol.

~Diane in NW MT~

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 9:14 AM, dutchdivco <jdutchmanjim@...> wrote:

Just my opinion; There are 1500 deaths per year from Thyroid Cancer, in a country with 350 million people.(US) You can google it to verify, but thats pretty close.So, you have a better chance of winning several big jackpot lotteries at the same time, as of having Thyroid Cancer.

Do to the need to practice defensive medicine, and everyones associating 'LUMP', 'growth' etc with Cancer, there are a lot of unnecesary thyroidectomies being done.To make it worse, there is no GOOD test for detirmining whether or not a thyroid is cancerous; best way to tell is to take it out, and THEN look for cancer cells. A lot of 'inconclusive' results coming back from such examinations, which is the labs way of saying. " Actually, we couldn't find any evidence of Cancer, but we're not going to word it that way. "

" Goiters " , at 1 time, was the name for hypothyroidism.It is very common for the thyroid to swell, as a result of chronic, untreated Hypo.As stated, I would increase your iodine intake, make sure you are taking the 'companion' nutrients and UNREFINED salt.Forget about thermography's, needle biopsies, or other tests looking for something which isn't there.I have talked to several people who had their thyroid removed, only to find out afterwords that it was an unecesary surgery.All regret it, and state that their 'symptoms' of Hypo are worse, since the surgery.So, thats what I would do, if I were in your shoes.Jim

> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>Is there anyone out there experienced in managing goitre?> > >>> > >>I am about to have an ultrasound on my neck due to recent symptoms of

> > >>neck congestion, difficulty in swallowing - in all likelihood it is an> > >>enlargement of a multi nodular goitre. I have been taking 50 mg and> > >>companion nutrients daily for last 18 months (as an early bc survivor)

> > >>and six months ago it didn't show any reduction or increase. How do I> > >>know if I should up the dose or drop the dose, and by how much? Are there> > >>any other changes I can make to stop goitre activity in its tracks?

> > >>> > >>At 49, I am going through menopause, and recently there's been an> > >>increase in frequency of menstruation and recent family stress. Would my> > >>iodine requirement be higher because of these things?

> > >>> > >>If this is a goitre, the docs will want to fine needle aspirate. Can> > >>anyone tell me what the likely treatment plan would be from then on from> > >>the traditional point of view and any alternative health suggestions that

> > >>could prepare me for when I return to discuss with docs.> > >>> > >>Many thanks for any help you can send my way!> > >>> > >>> > >>

> > >>We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our> > >>thoughts, we create our world. " —Buddha> > >> > >> > >> > >

> >> >> > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> > --A.J. Muste> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------> >

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June 1, 2011

Iodine is good for salivary duct gland stones too. My son had problems with

those.

Cheryl

> A note here that in addition to goiter causing difficulty swallowing an often

overlooked area are the salivary glands. There are many large and small glands

that can also become swollen and salivary ducts blocked, which can create pain

and swallowing difficulties. When the the submandibular salivary ducts are

swollen a layperson could easily mistake them for swollen lymph nodes as the

proximity is very close. Not saying this is the case for you, just providing

some additional detail and a thought that perhaps more than just the thyroid is

swollen or aggravated. These other glands would be higher up on the neck.

June 1, 2011

Dr. Rind's website offers a way to monitor adrenal and thyroid via taking

temperature and also a symptom checklist to help differ between the two. Not

the same as testing but a free, do it yourself at home kinda option from a very

reputable doctor.

When financially viable both adrenal and thyroid tests are available without

going through a doctor ~ not completely sure but I think the Canary Club offers

the best pricing.

> > > > >

> > > > >>

> > > > >>Is there anyone out there experienced in managing goitre?

> > > > >>

> > > > >>I am about to have an ultrasound on my neck due to recent symptoms of

> > > > >>neck congestion, difficulty in swallowing - in all likelihood it is

> > an

> > > > >>enlargement of a multi nodular goitre. I have been taking 50 mg and

> > > > >>companion nutrients daily for last 18 months (as an early bc

> > survivor)

> > > > >>and six months ago it didn't show any reduction or increase. How do I

> > > > >>know if I should up the dose or drop the dose, and by how much? Are

> > there

> > > > >>any other changes I can make to stop goitre activity in its tracks?

> > > > >>

> > > > >>At 49, I am going through menopause, and recently there's been an

> > > > >>increase in frequency of menstruation and recent family stress. Would

> > my

> > > > >>iodine requirement be higher because of these things?

> > > > >>

> > > > >>If this is a goitre, the docs will want to fine needle aspirate. Can

> > > > >>anyone tell me what the likely treatment plan would be from then on

> > from

> > > > >>the traditional point of view and any alternative health suggestions

> > that

> > > > >>could prepare me for when I return to discuss with docs.

> > > > >>

> > > > >>Many thanks for any help you can send my way!

> > > > >>

> > > > >>We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With

> > our

> > > > >>thoughts, we create our world. " —Buddha

> > > > >

> > > >

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> > > > --A.J. Muste

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June 1, 2011

Thank you everyone for your comments and suggestions - I feel calmer already - I

have already started increasing the iodine and I'm preparing myself for how I

might tackle hypothyroid with the help of a like minded ND/MD. I would love to

know if there are any first hand recommendations for a naturopathic

endocrinolgist who works with naturethyroid and iodine protocol in the

Triangle/Piedmont of North Carolina. Any leads would be most appreciated.

Thank you

June 1, 2011

I find thermography also to be very helpful for peace of mind but making simple changes can also be paid for testing money. Thermography will show blood supply issues and can avoid mammograms with these. I have a set of 8 breast lump areas these days but they are all thankfully in currently cold areas on my breasts so between thermography and ultrasounds can just keep on healing.

I have slipping rib syndrome from a drunk driver so think many lumps are from ribs being moved for past 4 years. Thermography can find BC 8 years before mammograms at 30,000 cells vs one million cells. It gives a person time to do alternatives and heal up before invasive procedures.

Thermography can find cold and warmer areas where blood supply fed by estrogen dominance predetermines potential for BC in future. DIM, reversetol, broccoli sprouts(12-15 daily) avoiding xenoestrogens like herbicides and heated plastics for food and coffee or water bottles in transit can help reverse that trend. Heating plastic releases 50 times more xenoestrogen into liquids. Estrogen impacts many types of cancers even in men and children.

Thermography also tells me half my thyroid works and the other half is cold. I am on 4 grains of armour so it makes sense to me. PamOn Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:21 PM, <kwoolly@...> wrote:

Thank you everyone for your comments and suggestions - I feel calmer already - I have already started increasing the iodine and I'm preparing myself for how I might tackle hypothyroid with the help of a like minded ND/MD. I would love to know if there are any first hand recommendations for a naturopathic endocrinolgist who works with naturethyroid and iodine protocol in the Triangle/Piedmont of North Carolina. Any leads would be most appreciated.

Thank you

June 1, 2011

Can pituitary tumors be detected by Thermography?

> > >

> > > Do you think thermography of the thyroid would be a better way to

determine

> > > if there are cancer cells there? I have an enlarged thyroid, nodules and

> > > cysts, along with pain and trouble swollowing. I have been working my

> > way up

> > > with Lugol's solution since March and have a long ways to go yet. (No

> > > medical care so no numbers to post)

> > >

> > > ~Diane in NW MT~

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

June 1, 2011

As far as I know, yes. They are using thermography for full body scans to

detect malignant activity.

--

At 07:54 PM 6/1/2011, you wrote:

>Can pituitary tumors be detected by Thermography?

>

> > > >

> > > > Do you think thermography of the thyroid would be a better way to

> determine

> > > > if there are cancer cells there? I have an enlarged thyroid,

> nodules and

> > > > cysts, along with pain and trouble swollowing. I have been working my

> > > way up

> > > > with Lugol's solution since March and have a long ways to go yet. (No

> > > > medical care so no numbers to post)

> > > >

> > > > ~Diane in NW MT~

> >

> > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > --A.J. Muste

> >

>

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June 2, 2011

Relieved to hear of your decision.For the companion nutrients, there are a

number of suppliers where you can order on the I-net, and get considerable

savings over ordering locally. Swansons is one, Dr.'s Trust is another.Help to

spread those rare healthcare dollars farther.;-)

When you do get to the point where you want to do some testing, to check adrenal

and thyroid numbers, you CAN order the tests yourself, and save paying a Dr.,

just to have him order them for you.You can find out where to order them, which

tests to order, and how to interpret them, on the NTH group.Jim

> > > > >

> > > > >>

> > > > >>Is there anyone out there experienced in managing goitre?

> > > > >>

> > > > >>I am about to have an ultrasound on my neck due to recent symptoms of

> > > > >>neck congestion, difficulty in swallowing - in all likelihood it is

> > an

> > > > >>enlargement of a multi nodular goitre. I have been taking 50 mg and

> > > > >>companion nutrients daily for last 18 months (as an early bc

> > survivor)

> > > > >>and six months ago it didn't show any reduction or increase. How do I

> > > > >>know if I should up the dose or drop the dose, and by how much? Are

> > there

> > > > >>any other changes I can make to stop goitre activity in its tracks?

> > > > >>

> > > > >>At 49, I am going through menopause, and recently there's been an

> > > > >>increase in frequency of menstruation and recent family stress. Would

> > my

> > > > >>iodine requirement be higher because of these things?

> > > > >>

> > > > >>If this is a goitre, the docs will want to fine needle aspirate. Can

> > > > >>anyone tell me what the likely treatment plan would be from then on

> > from

> > > > >>the traditional point of view and any alternative health suggestions

> > that

> > > > >>could prepare me for when I return to discuss with docs.

> > > > >>

> > > > >>Many thanks for any help you can send my way!

> > > > >>

> > > > >>We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With

> > our

> > > > >>thoughts, we create our world. " —Buddha

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > > > --A.J. Muste

> > > >

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June 2, 2011

A thermography did not show conclusively that I had cancer; it only showed

inflammation of the thyroid bed. A fine needle biopsy is definitely more

conclusive, although I wouldn't have it if you are planning on keeping your

thyroid and trying to fix it with Iodoral(not Lugol's; you need 200 mgs--four

little pills instead of hundreds of drops!).

A thyroid ultrasound details the type of nodules(hyperechoic,etc)which tells you

the likelihood of them being cancerous.

Nothing is all that exact.

Marcy

> > >

> > >>

> > >>Is there anyone out there experienced in managing goitre?

> > >>

> > >>I am about to have an ultrasound on my neck due to recent symptoms of

> > >>neck congestion, difficulty in swallowing - in all likelihood it is an

> > >>enlargement of a multi nodular goitre. I have been taking 50 mg and

> > >>companion nutrients daily for last 18 months (as an early bc survivor)

> > >>and six months ago it didn't show any reduction or increase. How do I

> > >>know if I should up the dose or drop the dose, and by how much? Are there

> > >>any other changes I can make to stop goitre activity in its tracks?

> > >>

> > >>At 49, I am going through menopause, and recently there's been an

> > >>increase in frequency of menstruation and recent family stress. Would my

> > >>iodine requirement be higher because of these things?

> > >>

> > >>If this is a goitre, the docs will want to fine needle aspirate. Can

> > >>anyone tell me what the likely treatment plan would be from then on from

> > >>the traditional point of view and any alternative health suggestions that

> > >>could prepare me for when I return to discuss with docs.

> > >>

> > >>Many thanks for any help you can send my way!

> > >>

> > >>We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our

> > >>thoughts, we create our world. " —Buddha

> > >

> >

> > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > --A.J. Muste

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

> > IodineOT/

> >

> > The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list)

> >

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June 2, 2011

Actually 200mg of Lugols isn't anywhere near " hundreds of drops " . 20 drops of

Lugol's 5% is 125mg, so 40 would be 250mg.

Really not so bad. And if you get a dropper with measurements on it, you don't

even need to count drops once you know what you're doing.

And Lugol's is so much cheaper. And amazingly, I haven't made a mess with it

yet!

Jaye

> > > >

> > > >>

> > > >>Is there anyone out there experienced in managing goitre?

> > > >>

> > > >>I am about to have an ultrasound on my neck due to recent symptoms of

> > > >>neck congestion, difficulty in swallowing - in all likelihood it is an

> > > >>enlargement of a multi nodular goitre. I have been taking 50 mg and

> > > >>companion nutrients daily for last 18 months (as an early bc survivor)

> > > >>and six months ago it didn't show any reduction or increase. How do I

> > > >>know if I should up the dose or drop the dose, and by how much? Are

there

> > > >>any other changes I can make to stop goitre activity in its tracks?

> > > >>

> > > >>At 49, I am going through menopause, and recently there's been an

> > > >>increase in frequency of menstruation and recent family stress. Would my

> > > >>iodine requirement be higher because of these things?

> > > >>

> > > >>If this is a goitre, the docs will want to fine needle aspirate. Can

> > > >>anyone tell me what the likely treatment plan would be from then on from

> > > >>the traditional point of view and any alternative health suggestions

that

> > > >>could prepare me for when I return to discuss with docs.

> > > >>

> > > >>Many thanks for any help you can send my way!

> > > >>

> > > >>We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our

> > > >>thoughts, we create our world. " —Buddha

> > > >

> > >

> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > > --A.J. Muste

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

> > > IodineOT/

> > >

> > > The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list)

> > >

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June 4, 2011

Did the salivary duct stones go away completely? If so, how long did it take?

Did he use Lugol's, SSKI or Iodoral?

I have read the article in which Dr. indicates success using

SSKI for salivary duct stones and am curious about your son's experience.

Thanks!

>

> > A note here that in addition to goiter causing difficulty swallowing an

often overlooked area are the salivary glands. There are many large and small

glands that can also become swollen and salivary ducts blocked, which can create

pain and swallowing difficulties. When the the submandibular salivary ducts are

swollen a layperson could easily mistake them for swollen lymph nodes as the

proximity is very close. Not saying this is the case for you, just providing

some additional detail and a thought that perhaps more than just the thyroid is

swollen or aggravated. These other glands would be higher up on the neck.

>

June 4, 2011

I have hashimoto's thyroiditis which causes a goiter. It started with Graves Disease (hyperactive) and went Hashi's later. I have been using LDN therapy to reduce my need for thyroid meds and it is working. It has also substantially reduced the size of my goiter. There is a group for LDN which may be of interest. Good luck to you!

Niki

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:08 PM, <kwoolly@...> wrote:

Is there anyone out there experienced in managing goitre?I am about to have an ultrasound on my neck due to recent symptoms of neck congestion, difficulty in swallowing - in all likelihood it is an enlargement of a multi nodular goitre. I have been taking 50 mg and companion nutrients daily for last 18 months (as an early bc survivor) and six months ago it didn't show any reduction or increase. How do I know if I should up the dose or drop the dose, and by how much? Are there any other changes I can make to stop goitre activity in its tracks?

At 49, I am going through menopause, and recently there's been an increase in frequency of menstruation and recent family stress. Would my iodine requirement be higher because of these things?If this is a goitre, the docs will want to fine needle aspirate. Can anyone tell me what the likely treatment plan would be from then on from the traditional point of view and any alternative health suggestions that could prepare me for when I return to discuss with docs.

Many thanks for any help you can send my way! We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we create our world. " —Buddha

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