Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Anne, based on what you found at the supplement site, I am CERTAIN the doc is discussing 250 micrograms. As if anything good will happen with that tiny amount. sheesh. --V At 01:35 AM 5/31/2011, you wrote: >I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there >was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced >iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard... > >Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that >75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of >interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid >disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are >related. > >He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always >trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower >others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status. > >I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women >(this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but >said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read >Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in >it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( >I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about >milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference >between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of >MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...) > >Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many >families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to >get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. >Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula >contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there >gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I >mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more >information. > >For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 >to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in >Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little >extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not >currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this >practice is.) > >I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism >groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I >misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending >MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times >when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a >little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to >him... And how to say it so I don't give offense. > >Anyway, his talk was very interesting... > >Anne > >------------------------------------ > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT >group IodineOT/ > > >The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) >iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ\ %20FIRST/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 very intresting. especially that they found that asperger are low in cortisol and thyroid and adrenal are very much related. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote: I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard... Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related. He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status. I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...) Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information. For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.) I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense. Anyway, his talk was very interesting...Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 This is very interesting information. My husband is an aspie and he also has hashimotos. Is the doc saying that the lack of iodine while pregnant is causing autism or iodine can help the autistic? I was a little confused by what you were saying about that.On May 31, 2011, at 2:35 AM, Anne Seals wrote: I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard... Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related. He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status. I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...) Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information. For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.) I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense. Anyway, his talk was very interesting... Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Oh okay so you answered my question. On May 31, 2011, at 3:09 AM, ido zahavi wrote: very intresting. especially that they found that asperger are low in cortisol and thyroid and adrenal are very much related. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote: I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard... Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related. He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status. I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...) Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information. For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.) I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense. Anyway, his talk was very interesting...Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 May I forward the larger post to an autism group...fascinating and certainly fits in with what we see... I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard... Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related. He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status. I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...) Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information. For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.) I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense. Anyway, his talk was very interesting...Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Dear Anne if I were you, and if yoou have his contact info -- I would certainly speak up. Even if only to ask -- did I misunderstand -- did you say/mean 250 milligrams or MICROgrams? And, then- depending on his answer ask him to explain his thinking in relations to Dr Browsteins recommendations. It's one to think change the amount of iodine in a widely prescribed multi-vitamin (especially when the doing might be more than 1 tablet per day) but the might do something else entirely in his practice with an isolated iodine supplement like Iodoral or Lugol's. In fact, i would ask him if he uses either Iodoral or Lugol's. Good luck - please let us know if you speak to him or contact him.. Kendra On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote: > I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard... > > Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related. > > He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status. > > I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...) > > Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information. > > For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.) > > I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense. > > Anyway, his talk was very interesting... > > Anne > > ------------------------------------ > > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/ > > > The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ%\ 20FIRST/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 I'm curious...what is the autism group? > > > Â > > > > I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard... > > > Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related. > > > He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status. > > > I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...) > > > Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information. > > > For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.) > > > I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense. > > > Anyway, his talk was very interesting... > > Anne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Anne, This is a wonderful opportunity to speak up in partnership with Dr. Kellman. If, in fact, the doses he is using are far too low, think about what he could discover when using the higher ones. You could write a letter to his office relaying your excitement about his work and inquiring if you'd mis heard what he said. I'd provide Brownstein's dosing recommendations, even send a copy of the appropriate pages from his books and/or other literature. Again, in partnership, not criticism. Docs like this don't move forward if they aren't open to new information. How exciting to see a doctor making these connections and how wonderful that you are so knowledgable that you could make a difference in how his research moves forward in this area. Janet iodine From: anneseals@...Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 23:35:30 -0700Subject: iodine at Autism One I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard...Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related.He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status.I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...)Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information. For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.)I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense. Anyway, his talk was very interesting...Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Thanks Anne for this fascinating info. I know I'm missing an enzyme that makes me highly reactive to sulfites, aspirin, yellow #5 food color, and sulfa drugs. Then I found this is something common to autistics (though never been diagnosed with that or had any trouble in school)! I do have autoimmune thyroid disease (Graves'). Do you know if this doc has written anything we can read? I would love to hear of his results with iodine. Sometimes they publish each speakers' speech. He is misinformed about thyroid ratios in humans vs pigs though. If you're talking about the actual gland itself, the ratio of T4:T3 is more like 15:1 in a human. A normal thyroid produces about 100 mcg T4 and 6 mcg T3 daily. Daily T3 production averages 30 mcg, but 80% (24 mcg) of this is from conversion, and not directly from the thyroid gland. So IF one has good conversion, they may need to add some T4 to their Armour for a better ratio. I am, and feeling better. Barb > > I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard... > > Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related. > > He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status. > > I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...) > > Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information. > > For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.) > > I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense. > > Anyway, his talk was very interesting... > > Anne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 This comports with something I've been thinking for some time.What I would say is that POSSIBLY a Hypo while pregnant Mom, produces an autistic child.(Low iodine is only 1 cause of Hypo, not the only cause.)I've read numerous accounts from women who on their second or third child, develop hypo symptoms, although not diagnosed till much later.i.e earlier pregnancies; no problem loosing 'baby fat', no post partum blues, no fatigue.Then after this child; can't loose weight, and continue gaining, dpression, fatigue, even hair falling out. And, I understand that MOST autistic children have an older sibling, that is not autistic.And, I see where researchers are saying that autism is a systemic condition; not just neurological; digestive problems, even differences at the mitochondrial level. Thyroid hormones are necesary for ALL cells in the body.And, early in developement, it makes sence that Fetus would depend on Mom's thyroid hormone, until it could produce its own.So, if Mom were low, and baby didn't get enough, could well cause 'autism'with widespread, sytemic effects.And, of coarse, Dr.'s reliance on TSH test means that OB/GYN's are testing that, if anything, and telling pregnant mom's they are 'fine'.;-( Also wondering about a pregnent Mom who's in early adrenal fatigue, where she's producing excess cortisol; resulting in 'HYPERACTIVE' or ADD kid? Would certainly make sense, as child would get 'addicted' to high levels of Cortisol, just as a heroin addicted Mom produces a heroin addicted child.Again, most OB/GYN's would only test with cortisol blood tests, or 24hr. urine tests, and would say adrenals of Mom are 'fine'. And, unfortunately, the researchers are basing their work on what they learned in med school, and therefore aren't looking for Hypo or AF in Mom's.And, would be using wrong tests, even if they did look.Anyway, thats my thinking.Jim > > > I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard... > > > > Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related. > > > > He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status. > > > > I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...) > > > > Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information. > > > > For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.) > > > > I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense. > > > > Anyway, his talk was very interesting... > > > > Anne > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Yes, but please correct my misspelling of "ratio" (TWICE!) I was so tired I could hardly sit at the computer!AnneOn May 31, 2011, at 12:27 AM, JULIE GRIFFITHS wrote: May I forward the larger post to an autism group...fascinating and certainly fits in with what we see... I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard... Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related. He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status. I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...) Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information. For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.) I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense. Anyway, his talk was very interesting...Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Okeydoke:-)) I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard... Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related. He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status. I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...) Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information. For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.) I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense. Anyway, his talk was very interesting...Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Well, the first thing he is saying is that 70% of ASD kids are hypothyroid, & need treatment. (Although he also makes it clear that it is hard to GET treatment, because the whole testing thing is so screwed up. Many kids that are tested are testing OK, even though they are hypothyroid.)He is also saying that treatment of the mother improves fertility & makes the child's odds of NOT having an ASD much better.He is also saying that everybody needs more iodine than what has been accepted as enough, even though his "high" recommendation is way too low by our standards.AnneOn May 31, 2011, at 12:14 AM, Louise Hill wrote: This is very interesting information. My husband is an aspie and he also has hashimotos. Is the doc saying that the lack of iodine while pregnant is causing autism or iodine can help the autistic? I was a little confused by what you were saying about that.On May 31, 2011, at 2:35 AM, Anne Seals wrote: I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard... Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related. He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status. I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...) Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information. For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.) I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense. Anyway, his talk was very interesting... Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 My 5th child is not ASD but has just gotten the dx of " mild intellectual disability " . Of course I've wondered about my health and likely iodine-deficient status and how it affected his health. When I was pregnant, I felt very good, considering my usual pg discomforts and my, ahem, advanced maternal age. However after A was born, I became sick almost immediately. I know now that I have probably been hypo for ALL of my pregnancies, but after so many, and so much time, I think our little fellow may be bearing the brunt of my accumulated ill health. If only 'they'd' listened when I said I thought I was having thyroid problems! Pick up and carry on! Jaye > > > > > I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard... > > > > > > Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related. > > > > > > He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status. > > > > > > I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...) > > > > > > Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information. > > > > > > For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.) > > > > > > I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense. > > > > > > Anyway, his talk was very interesting... > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 While researching regarding my son I had read that babies born with hypothyroidism have delayed myelin sheath formation. It would make sense that it would leave these kids wide open to vaccine injury. My son was born with physical features of hypothyroidism and was developmentally delayed, but only developed autistic behaviors at around age two after getting 4 shots and oral polio in one visit, while being sick with a cold. Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 I agree, although we might catch hell for saying it! The body knows best.Jim > > > > > I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard... > > > > > > Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related. > > > > > > He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status. > > > > > > I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...) > > > > > > Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information. > > > > > > For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.) > > > > > > I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense. > > > > > > Anyway, his talk was very interesting... > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Yes, and that supports what I'm saying; Thyroid hormone is used in all the cells of the body, hence would effect cognition, digestion, and other areas, as well.Jim > > > > > > > I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & > > there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually > > referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard... > > > > > > > > Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims > > that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of > > interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease > > epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related. > > > > > > > > He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always > > trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower > > others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid > > status. > > > > > > > > I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women > > (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but > > said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read > > Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, > > but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I > > keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams > > so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between > > milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of > > MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...) > > > > > > > > Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many > > families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to > > get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. > > Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula > > contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives > > their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned > > Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more > > information. > > > > > > > > For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of > > T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in > > Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra > > T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being > > treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.) > > > > > > > > I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism > > groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I > > misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending > > MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times > > when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a > > little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to > > him... And how to say it so I don't give offense. > > > > > > > > Anyway, his talk was very interesting... > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Actually, from what I've been reading lately (recently diagnosed with Lupus), I believe on the LDN group, th They're saying now that autoimmune is not an overactive immune system but an underactive one afterall. It makes sense to me as it finally explains my decades long low white blood count (currently 2.3). Low wbc is a frequent symptom of autoimmune illnesses. Medical " knowledge " is forever in a flux. > > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Well, I just checked out reviews of this book, & while I agree with some of > > what I read, I totally disagree with him saying that vaccines play no part. > > Vaccines contain substances designed to PROVOKE the immune system, so how > > can he say they are not implicated in an auto-immune problem? An auto-immune > > problem is by DEFINITION the result of an over-active immune system! That > > sounds just SILLY to me. Way too many parents have reported regressions > > shortly after vaccines -- no matter how early or late those vaccines were > > given in relation to the usual schedule... > > > > I guess I will have to read his book when I am feeling REALLY strong, > > because little details like that really piss me off! I like to get info even > > from people who disagree with me, but I am feeling fragile at the moment! > > > > Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 , what condition were you taking LDN for? Did you gain the 20lbs while on it for the 4 months? I intend to try it and hope I don't have that " speed " effect. I've been an insomniac since age 11 (trauma at that age) and it's worse lately as I quit Ambien after it quit working after I'd used it for so long. > > I tried LDN 4 months ago and decided to quit. I've gained 20 pounds and now I > retain water. It is also like speed when I take it and that is just 1/2 to 1 ml > of it at 10:00pm. I couldn't sleep but maybe a hour or two before LDN and my > sleep got worse. I quit LDN a few days ago. I tried pulse dosing it, higher > amounts lower amounts. I don't what it did to my body. Not worth it. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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